Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The cost of the Liberal's gun grab continues to balloon

00:00:00.040 For the second time in recent history, we are finding out that the Liberals' latest gun grab is going to cost way more than they told us it would.

00:00:09.280 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:11.660 My name is Rick Egersich. I'm the president of Canada's National Firearms Association.

00:00:33.940 I'm here today representing the members of my organization and other law-abiding Canadians.

00:00:38.680 I want to speak specifically about two parts of this bill.

00:00:43.620 The handgun freeze that will eventually lead to confiscation of personal property.

00:00:48.760 I would also like to comment on the government's creation of the Firearms Advisory Committee.

00:00:54.320 I am neither an academic, nor a bureaucrat, nor a lawyer.

00:00:57.380 I am simply one of the many Canadians that Bill C-21 will directly affect.

00:01:02.100 As a third-generation firearms owner, I have several family heirlooms, including handguns that have been passed from my grandfather to my father, and finally to me.

00:01:13.060 My grandfather, a First World War veteran, was a farmer who legally carried a handgun in his daily activities on the farm,

00:01:21.740 whether it was for predator control, to dispatch injured or wounded livestock, or just to do some plinking at a tin can under a shade tree while he ate his lunch, which was a common practice in that day.

00:01:33.880 My father was a competitive shooter in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, and a Dominion marksman who competed in the Olympic trials in his youth.

00:01:45.220 I have followed in his footsteps, becoming a competitive handgun, IPC rifle, and shotgun competitor.

00:01:51.160 I am also an avid collector and am passionate about the pieces that hold significance in Canadian history and heritage.

00:01:58.460 If Bill C-21 becomes law, I will be the final chapter in that book.

00:02:05.260 Upon my passing, regardless of age or sentiment, my firearms will be slated for destruction.

00:02:11.660 The history, the time-honoured traditions, national pride, and the legacy of countless Canadian icons will come to an end.

00:02:19.920 This saddens me deeply, along with countless law-abiding firearms owners who share my position.

00:02:25.920 Despite proven statistics that we are one of the most vetted and law-abiding demographics in Canadian history,

00:02:34.020 and our hope that the government would treat us fairly, we will unfortunately fare the brunt of these measures.

00:02:40.460 What you just saw there is a clip from my friend, good friend of the show, Rick Igersich of the National Firearms Association,

00:02:47.420 testifying before Canada's Senate.

00:02:49.940 And he's doing his best to humanize the true cost of the Liberals' latest gun grab,

00:02:57.200 which codifies the order in council banning of, at first, now it's many more,

00:03:04.640 1,500 models of Canadian firearms, as well as entrenching a ban on handgun ownership.

00:03:12.260 Rick is doing his best to explain to people who just don't want to understand

00:03:18.720 that stripping firearms from law-abiding Canadians will strip away a part of Canada's culture

00:03:31.060 and a part of the history of many Canadian families.

00:03:37.620 I'm not sure the Liberals really understood what Rick was trying to say,

00:03:44.140 or maybe they did, they just don't care, because it's a lot easier to blame people like Rick

00:03:49.560 for the rising crime rates in Canada's large cities than to actually do something about it

00:03:56.140 through changes in legislation, changes in bail, and through tightening up Canada's porous border.

00:04:03.760 Joining me today to discuss the ballooning costs of the Liberals' latest gun grab,

00:04:12.840 it's now proposed to cost $2 billion to compensate Canadian firearms owners

00:04:19.800 for their property that the government plans to confiscate.

00:04:24.560 Initially, they said $400 million.

00:04:27.220 We'll explain why the Liberals could not possibly know how much it's going to cost,

00:04:32.540 and we'll talk about Rick's testimony.

00:04:35.240 Take a listen.

00:04:42.780 So joining me now is my friend, good friend of the show, and friend of Rebel,

00:04:47.140 Rick Igersich of the National Firearms Association.

00:04:50.380 Rick, when I talked to you, I think it was about two weeks ago,

00:04:53.620 you talked to us about how you had been invited to give testimony before the Senate

00:04:59.540 about the, I suppose it would be the human cost of the Liberals' gun legislation at all costs.

00:05:11.080 And I watched your testimony, and I think you did exactly what you intended to do,

00:05:16.340 and that is to make the victims of the firearms compensation something more than just a bunch of numbers

00:05:25.180 to the pencil pushers in the bureaucracy.

00:05:28.160 But you really tried to humanize what the Liberals are doing to the firearms community.

00:05:34.760 Yes, and thanks for having me on your show again, Sheila.

00:05:37.880 I tried, I took a different approach than a lot of the other witnesses.

00:05:43.580 I took the approach of trying to let the Senators know who we really are and who this bill affects.

00:05:51.480 The statistics that were flowing in, and they were being repetitive,

00:05:57.060 and there was definitely flawed numbers and flawed statistics.

00:06:02.760 And I kind of called them out on a bit of this stuff, but I wanted to go out there and let people know who we are,

00:06:12.760 you know, some of our background, some of my background.

00:06:16.480 And, you know, there was a lot of testimony previous to my appearance.

00:06:23.520 And, you know, a few of the anti-firearms people, you know, they were calling us, you know, xenophobes, misogynists.

00:06:34.160 You know, the list is endless.

00:06:35.860 You know, it was just a big insult and assault campaign by them.

00:06:41.020 And, you know, I wanted to go out there and show people that we're just everyday people that like what we do,

00:06:48.480 we're proud of what we have, and we want to keep our personal property.

00:06:53.520 Yeah, and, you know, like that's the thing, like you hear about the statistics, the numbers all the time.

00:07:00.720 And actually, I think the statistics are on our side, that if indeed there are, you know,

00:07:05.940 this culture of firearms ownership in this country, and I think that's 100% true, we're not the problem.

00:07:14.560 We have never been the problem.

00:07:15.880 The statistics lie on our side.

00:07:17.940 But when you take the statistics out of the equation, because the liberals don't seem to really actually care about the facts, right?

00:07:24.660 But if you take that out of the equation and you say that these are family heirlooms, trusted family heirlooms,

00:07:31.620 these are part of not just my family's heritage, but the heritage of this country that the liberals are, I suppose,

00:07:42.100 happy to throw in the garbage because they really don't want to do the tough thing of dealing with crime in progressive-run cities in this country.

00:07:51.720 You know, that was my point of Bill C-21, too.

00:07:54.620 It doesn't address the root issue.

00:07:59.040 C-21 has nothing to do with public safety, gun crimes, smuggled firearms.

00:08:05.340 C-21 goes after law-abiding Canadian citizens and their personal property.

00:08:11.900 It does nothing more.

00:08:13.200 You know, I was questioned by the senator, how could we find a balance?

00:08:16.360 How could we find something in this bill to make it, you know, make it palatable for everybody?

00:08:21.900 There isn't.

00:08:22.520 There isn't because it's one-sided.

00:08:23.960 They're going strictly after law-abiding Canadians and their personal property.

00:08:29.380 End of story.

00:08:31.200 You know, and many of the same arguments that you made were made by Alberta's chief firearms officer, Terry Bryant.

00:08:38.200 In her testimony before the Senate, she said that Bill C-21 is basically irreparable.

00:08:46.640 It should be scrapped altogether.

00:08:47.880 And she pointed to the fact that it violates justice, which was one of the arguments made to the federal court, even though the federal court basically upheld Bill C-21.

00:09:03.120 But Terry Bryant said it violates justice because it confiscates precious personal and family belongings and destroys household wealth.

00:09:10.940 It's true.

00:09:12.000 It weakens public safety because it prevents people from getting life-saving tools and training.

00:09:16.860 And frankly, it undermines the whole concept of gun regulations because it invents arbitrary policies designed to criminalize and confiscate property from honest citizens instead of promoting safety and security in Canada's progressive-run cities.

00:09:33.360 And there's more to it than that, you know, it's affecting sport shooters, for example.

00:09:38.180 You know, people go out with their families, enjoy firearms in a safe manner.

00:09:43.640 It affects them.

00:09:44.860 It's affecting hunters.

00:09:46.580 You know, there was a lot of talk in the Senate at all, you know, it's not really affecting long guns.

00:09:50.840 But when you look at the Firearms Advisory Committee, with the open end side of the Firearms Advisory Committee, they could, the government could add any firearm they want to this list without due process.

00:10:03.700 A prime example of government overreach.

00:10:06.060 You know, there's so many parts of this bill that, you know, affects so many Canadians.

00:10:11.980 It's unbelievable.

00:10:14.140 And how far they want to go, you know, by these Firearms Advisory Committees, there's no end to it.

00:10:20.200 You and I know what their goal is.

00:10:21.780 Their goal is to get rid of all firearms in Canada.

00:10:23.980 There's no doubt about that.

00:10:25.320 And this is just a stepping stone.

00:10:27.700 I hope that some of the senators, I'm hoping all of the senators took to heart what I had to say because, you know, we are, there's more to this than the anti-gun side.

00:10:39.360 You know, you know, the anti-gun side, you know, you know, they come up with this, you know, domestic violence stuff.

00:10:47.580 And some of the ridiculous stuff they were quoting was unbelievable.

00:10:50.960 But if you look at, you know, and I don't want to quote statistics, but if you look at the statistics, it's not us, you know.

00:10:57.380 And I made a suggestion when I was questioned by one of the senators, you know,

00:11:03.220 and they said, you know, something to the effect of, you know, if we got rid of guns, then people would feel safer.

00:11:13.220 I said, what's the next step?

00:11:14.960 Get rid of pointy objects in your house, you know?

00:11:17.200 Everybody's got kitchen knives.

00:11:18.360 It just, you know, it's hard to comprehend on how focused some of these, you know, left-wing senators are on, not the facts,

00:11:30.040 but just on a bunch of, I'm going to use the word propaganda because that's what it is.

00:11:35.620 Well, and look at how they frame that question to you.

00:11:38.640 If we get rid of guns, wouldn't Canadians feel safer?

00:11:42.400 I don't care how they feel.

00:11:44.140 They wouldn't actually be safer.

00:11:45.980 I don't have to feed somebody's misplaced notions of safety that aren't actually real by having my property confiscated.

00:11:59.260 This, I don't think we should legislate around feelings.

00:12:02.280 We should legislate around reality.

00:12:04.620 But the liberals seem hell-bent on saying, okay, well, everybody's just going to feel safer.

00:12:08.920 If Sheila, who didn't do anything, has to lose her guns to make some left-wing feminists feel better about, I don't know, sleeping with her cat at night. 1.00

00:12:20.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:21.200 You know what?

00:12:22.100 Then they threw the discrimination card at me.

00:12:25.380 They asked me what my organization does to vet new members.

00:12:31.440 And my response to that was, this is Canada.

00:12:35.100 Canada is a free country.

00:12:37.040 Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows anyone to join any organization they want.

00:12:42.340 The only people that are vetting us are the RCMP.

00:12:46.000 That's our members with PALs.

00:12:47.840 We're getting vetted by the RCMP.

00:12:49.260 We don't vet our members.

00:12:50.660 We don't discriminate against anybody.

00:12:52.480 And that's a classic liberal play, you know?

00:12:56.960 Okay, the domestic files didn't work.

00:13:01.000 Let's throw in the discrimination card.

00:13:02.680 You know, I was just sitting there and absorbing this stuff.

00:13:05.940 It was unbelievable.

00:13:08.520 Okay, so the liberals, the people who trotted out an actual Nazi, which is pretty hard to find these days because the supply doesn't really meet the demand.

00:13:19.120 They dusted off a geriatric Nazi, brought him into the House of Commons, gave him a hero's welcome, and these people have the audacity to tell you you're not vetting your members? 0.88

00:13:33.360 Really?

00:13:34.140 Yeah.

00:13:34.560 A little tone deaf, I'd say.

00:13:36.020 I would say so too, Sheila.

00:13:37.360 It's a crazy world, and it's, you know, for a body that's supposed to be balanced and bipartisan, the Canadian Senate is not, in my opinion.

00:13:50.720 No, it's not.

00:13:51.700 I mean, Justin Trudeau created his independent senators, and they're independent only insofar as they don't carry the liberal name, but they vote, by and large, consistently with the liberals.

00:14:03.540 Let's talk about something that, as we're recording this on Tuesday morning, it'll go to air on Wednesday.

00:14:10.400 This unsurprising news came out Monday.

00:14:15.700 So the liberals' documents, so this is the liberals' own documents.

00:14:20.160 And the liberals have said all along, the gun buyback program, and I say gun buyback, that's because that's what they call it.

00:14:27.780 It's the compensation for confiscation program, because you can't buy back something that was not yours.

00:14:35.420 But liberals' own documents now project the liberals' compensation program to cost nearly $2 billion, double the minister's first estimates.

00:14:46.520 The government still has yet to release public figures on what the confiscation program would cost taxpayers.

00:14:53.760 So this is their so-called assault rifles, which included a 410 bird gun.

00:15:01.040 At first they said it would cost $400 million, then it was $600 million, then I think it ballooned up to $800 million.

00:15:06.880 And of course it's double, and I think it's going to be even double this again, because they don't know how many of these firearms are in the country.

00:15:17.240 Because that's what happens when you move guns from completely unregistered all the way to prohib.

00:15:22.700 A lot of these guns were gun show first purchases for a lot of highly vetted individuals.

00:15:29.080 And so the government has no real record of who has these guns or where they are.

00:15:35.360 And so there's only one solution, and that's to send the RCMP door-to-door looking for these things.

00:15:42.920 We've heard in Alberta, our RCMP are not going to do that.

00:15:46.080 I think a lot of RCMP members are going to object to doing that too.

00:15:49.840 But of course, of course the liberals have no idea how much this is going to cost,

00:15:54.320 because they don't know where these guns are, who has them, or how many of them there are.

00:15:57.940 All right. Our original projections were between $3 billion to $4 billion.

00:16:03.020 You know, they said, oh, there's no way it's going to be that much.

00:16:05.460 I realistically think it's going to be more than $4 billion now.

00:16:09.000 I think you're right when you say, you know, it'll double again.

00:16:12.900 I believe it will also.

00:16:15.420 You know, and you made a very valid point there, Sheila.

00:16:19.300 There's a lot of these guns on the May 2020 Order and Council that nobody knows where they are.

00:16:26.200 Even if they were to go to gun shops, you know, these guns are unrestricted.

00:16:31.120 They could have changed hands three or four times.

00:16:32.880 So nobody really knows where these firearms are.

00:16:35.440 You know, that's why they kind of put this secondary background check into place in Bill C-71,

00:16:42.020 maybe try to track down some of these firearms.

00:16:44.920 But nobody knows where these firearms are.

00:16:46.940 So how can you put a price on something that you don't even know what's out there?

00:16:51.520 And, you know, it's highly improbable that the RCMP is going to go door to door to every gun owner in Canada.

00:17:01.880 It's just logistically impossible.

00:17:04.760 So I don't know where they're going.

00:17:06.180 I know it's always the Liberals, again, are in trouble in Ottawa, you know, them and their happily married marriage to the NDP.

00:17:18.200 They're in trouble again in Ottawa.

00:17:20.260 And it seems that I think they might be going back to the firearms as a wedge issue.

00:17:25.860 I kind of it the last few months have dropped off the grid a bit, but they're kind of bringing it back now.

00:17:30.840 So we'll see what happens.

00:17:33.120 At the end of the day, we need an election to change this government.

00:17:36.180 So that's a great point.

00:17:39.780 I do think because the Liberals are about 10 points down consistently behind the Conservatives,

00:17:46.600 and those numbers seem to be holding, you know,

00:17:49.760 I think previously we've seen fluctuations where the Conservatives are up and then the Liberals go back up again in the polls.

00:17:58.180 But it's been month after month now consistently the Liberals are down 10 points on the Conservatives.

00:18:03.940 And of course, they they trot out this cudgel where they pit urban people against the firearms community and rural people and the West because they don't stand to lose any votes in the West.

00:18:18.060 This is a basically something directed at this is an issue directed at Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver.

00:18:25.980 Do you think Canadians are going to buy this or are they just completely over it?

00:18:29.600 Because I think if the Liberals even believed that these firearms were so deadly, they had to get out of the hands of law-abiding Canadians,

00:18:38.100 they wouldn't have kicked the can down the road five years before their confiscation program kicks in. 0.93

00:18:43.380 You know, if if you look at some of the talk at the Senate, and it was almost like they're trying to cause a rift between the urban and the rural people.

00:18:52.800 I believe right now Canadians have had enough of this.

00:18:56.180 You know, I think they're trying to bring it back to light.

00:18:58.720 And, you know, they're they're quoting, you know, you know, city there's there's more guns in rural Canada than there is in the cities, which is a falsehood,

00:19:06.520 because in Ontario, there's a lot of shooters and gun owners and collectors in the cities.

00:19:11.360 And I'm sure it's like that in Edmonton and Calgary also.

00:19:14.640 You know, there I don't even know where they're getting their data from, you know,

00:19:18.060 but if you listen to them, it's almost like they're purposely trying to cause a rift between urban and rural people.

00:19:25.060 And people aren't going to people aren't going to fall for that anymore.

00:19:28.320 I believe I believe this this gun issue has been drug through the wringer for so long,

00:19:35.240 so many times that people are getting tired of it and aren't going to be thinking about that when they go to the polls.

00:19:41.240 No, I don't think so either. And this is just indicative of how the liberals govern.

00:19:45.380 They govern through division. It's how they got through covid.

00:19:49.940 You know, those people are dirty, even though they all they did was made and make a different health choice

00:19:54.300 than the people around them. And right now they're scapegoating law abiding gun owners for the crimes that are happening

00:20:00.660 largely in the progressive run cities and because the liberals refuse to secure their border,

00:20:06.220 because a lot of the gun crime in this country is caused through smuggling.

00:20:10.860 These are not really domestically sourced guns.

00:20:14.320 And if they are domestically sourced, they are in the hands of the wrong people,

00:20:20.000 largely because somebody was robbed of them.

00:20:23.400 So right now, the liberals, if you look at how they are are legislating,

00:20:27.940 when they point to domestically sourced guns, it's not straw purchases.

00:20:32.620 It's scapegoating the victims of a robbery for what's done with the the property that was stolen from them.

00:20:40.160 And we would never treat vehicle owners the same way.

00:20:43.240 Like we don't hold vehicle owners responsible if their car is taken from their driveway

00:20:47.740 and used in the commission of a crime. We don't turn to the original owner and say,

00:20:51.520 well, you did something wrong. We don't do that. But we do that with firearms.

00:20:55.040 Yeah. You know, and the data they're using is so skewed because they take into account air guns,

00:21:00.940 staple guns, you know, nail guns.

00:21:04.120 And even even if somebody write somebody a threatening letter, they they they call that a crime gun.

00:21:09.760 It's unbelievable how the data is skewed.

00:21:11.880 And then one of the senators, Senator Kuchar, actually was quoting statistics that and he was saying

00:21:19.180 that 65 percent of the crime in Canada is done by legally owned and registered firearms.

00:21:25.900 And Senator Platt, you know, God bless Senator Platt, called him out on that.

00:21:29.880 And it was it was there was a bit of a I don't I don't think it was, you know, acceptable Senate quorum or Senate practice.

00:21:38.600 But, you know, Senator Platt called him out on that.

00:21:41.280 And I think I think that that was I think that was straightened out at the end.

00:21:45.040 And actually, that was that was just right before my testimony, I believe.

00:21:49.180 And it was there was a bit of a match going back and forth.

00:21:52.280 And it's all about where this data is coming from.

00:21:56.040 You know, these these anti groups are producing their own data.

00:22:00.760 We have data. I have data right here.

00:22:02.980 I have I have four vetted peer reviewed reports that that are accurate.

00:22:10.140 But you asked, you know, and they're coming up with rebuttals to these reports.

00:22:14.560 But none of their stuff is peer reviewed that I know of.

00:22:17.060 It might be. But as far as I can see, it's not peer reviewed.

00:22:20.780 And the statistics, the statistics they're quoting are ridiculous.

00:22:24.440 One senator said that that 65 percent of firearms owners in Canada are in favor of this handgun freeze and something like 75 percent of Canadians are in favor of this assault weapon ban.

00:22:42.500 And number one, an assault weapon, they've been they've been there hasn't been any of those in Canada since, you know, 1979, you know, and long before that, 79 in some cases, you know, what definition are they're using?

00:22:57.800 That's my question. You know, they're throwing these statistics at me.

00:23:00.860 I've traveled coast to coast across Canada on several occasions and talked to thousands of firearms owners.

00:23:08.800 Not one, not one, Sheila, has said they're in favor of this handgun freeze, this handgun seizure or the Order and Counsel.

00:23:15.460 So where they're getting these numbers, I don't know.

00:23:17.840 No, and I think a lot of firearms owners who didn't own handguns are all of a sudden having a bit of a come to Jesus moment when, you know, previously they said, well, you know, this sort of doesn't concern me.

00:23:33.180 So I don't have a handgun.

00:23:35.020 So I don't really care.

00:23:35.920 A lot of those people are saying all of a sudden they do care because they realize how this stuff, it's not creeping anymore.

00:23:42.160 It is barreling at them where the liberals are maintaining this power to just ban things they don't like overnight.

00:23:51.540 And the federal court upholds it.

00:23:53.160 Yeah. And confiscation without compensation, because that's what it's going to come down to.

00:23:56.940 You know, we were talking some figures, you know, they're saying two billion, you know, we're saying four billion or more.

00:24:02.560 Where's this money going to come from?

00:24:03.800 If there's no money there, if they decide to go through with this confiscation, there isn't going to be any confiscate compensation for these people, you know.

00:24:13.460 And I try to stay out of that when I when I when I gave evidence at the Senate, I try to stay out of the money into things.

00:24:20.640 And, you know, I did mention, you know, tax losses and businesses closing and stuff like that.

00:24:25.700 But I try to stay out of the money into things because at the end of the day, the liberals don't care about money.

00:24:30.980 You and I both know that.

00:24:32.220 Of course, they don't care if Canadians are losing money.

00:24:34.900 They don't care if, you know, you've got your grandfather's firearms there and you're going to, you know, it's more than the money, of course, is, you know, sentimental value.

00:24:44.060 But some people, you know, are we're banking on this as a retirement fund.

00:24:48.080 But the liberals don't care about that. 0.85

00:24:49.720 And that, in my opinion, has always been the case.

00:24:53.120 And I think always will be the case.

00:24:54.800 Yeah, it's true.

00:24:56.860 That's a great point.

00:24:57.660 The liberals don't care how they spend other people's money. 0.89

00:25:00.360 That's, again, another theme of how this liberal government governs the country.

00:25:06.300 Rick, tell me what's next for you guys at the NFA.

00:25:09.900 Because we know the federal court has upheld the, I think, the completely unfair order in council.

00:25:19.780 What's left for the Canadian firearms owning community to do to try to hang on to our property?

00:25:25.860 Yeah, right now we're looking at an appeal.

00:25:28.580 Our legal team is looking at appeal.

00:25:30.420 But we've got to weigh this very carefully.

00:25:33.300 Because if we appeal this, it's going to be very expensive.

00:25:36.520 And we're still dealing with liberal judges, you know, and liberal crowns.

00:25:42.860 So do we file an appeal just for the sake of optics?

00:25:49.080 You know, if we're going to file an appeal, it's going to be because we think we can win.

00:25:53.640 And our case was a little different than all the other cases in the order of counsel.

00:25:59.680 We stuck to the procedure and legality side of this thing, not the constitutional side.

00:26:06.560 I don't know.

00:26:07.640 Like I say, right now, Solomon is, Solomon Friedman, our lawyer, is reviewing things.

00:26:12.760 And we haven't made that decision whether to appeal or not.

00:26:16.160 I know other orgs say they're going to appeal.

00:26:18.220 But I just don't know if we want to use members' resources to go out there for an appeal and not, you know, and be in the same position we are.

00:26:28.860 At the end of the day, what we need is a change in government, which Pierre Polyev has assured me personally that he is going to, you know, get rid of the order of counsel and this handgun freeze ban.

00:26:42.220 So, you know, I'm taking his word, I'm taking his word for it.

00:26:46.920 You know, we're, as far as our group, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to kind of run behind the scenes in this election.

00:26:53.900 We don't want to, we don't want to give the liberals any, you know, we take something, they spin it and they use it against us.

00:27:00.700 So, you know, we're going to, we're going to put the information out there of what each candidate has in mind, what their platforms are.

00:27:07.940 We're, we're not going to endorse anybody, we're going to let people make up their own minds.

00:27:12.120 And that's our position right now.

00:27:13.880 Like I say, we are, we are looking at an appeal, but we have to be very careful how we use our members' resources.

00:27:20.620 You know, and I think the conservatives must commit to taking away this undemocratic power from the firearms advisory committee and the ability of the government to just reclassify guns without actually ever having to be accountable to the owners of these things.

00:27:45.660 There's too much power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats right now, and that must change. 0.96

00:27:51.060 Absolutely.

00:27:51.520 That firearms advisory committee is the biggest government overreach item that I've ever seen.

00:27:59.620 It's basically an open door to do whatever they want.

00:28:04.080 You know, they're doing whatever they want, they want by abusing the order and counsel.

00:28:07.820 But, you know, with it, with this firearms advisory committee, that just opens things right up for them.

00:28:12.640 And, you know, it's, it's another tier, you know, we've talked about their tiered approach to getting rid of guns in Canada.

00:28:19.360 That's another tier in the approach to getting rid of all firearms in Canada.

00:28:24.020 You know, and that firearms advisory committee, it, it abuses its power, even when the conservatives are in charge.

00:28:34.120 We must never forget how owners of the CZ 858 went to bed one night with their lawfully acquired firearms and then woke up in the morning to find out that their firearm had been banned and they were all of a sudden in possession of a prohibited weapon, which is a serious offense here in Canada.

00:28:52.200 And that was all because of something happening at the firearms advisory committee.

00:28:57.620 Thankfully, the Harper government gave an amnesty on that.

00:29:04.180 But amnesty should never have had to have been given because some bureaucrat outlawed your property while you slept.

00:29:11.460 And so, you know, that, I think, as you rightly point out, it's one of the biggest undemocratic power vestiges in this country.

00:29:22.900 And it must come to an end.

00:29:24.340 It must.

00:29:25.140 You know, with the firearms advisory committee, I think what a lot of people don't realize, and there was a lot of talk of this at the Senate.

00:29:32.620 They're also talking about parts and accessories of firearms, you know, magazines, you know, you know, the big thing is, you know, if we need to stop, we need, we need, we won't be able to fix our firearms anymore because they want to ban the flow of parts because somebody could take a part and allegedly 3D print a gun and make a ghost gun and stuff.

00:29:53.520 So, you know, and that's going to be, you know, as far as this firearms advisory committee, you know, I think, I think that might be another, another thing where the, where they'll set their focus is onto accessories and parts of firearms.

00:30:08.080 You know, it's, it's so open-ended that nobody really knows how much power it's going to have if they, if they do put it in place.

00:30:15.580 Now, Rick, I could probably talk to you all day about how unfair the gun legislation is in this country and what we must do to fix it.

00:30:26.160 But please tell us how people can get involved in the NFA because you really are a grassroots organization working hard for people like me out there.

00:30:36.100 You know, become a member.

00:30:38.300 Your money, all your money, well, most of your money, except for very little of it for, you know, to keep our office running,

00:30:44.340 goes into the, it goes into the, the, the good fight for firearms.

00:30:49.640 So join, become a member, follow us on our, our social media platforms, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter.

00:30:58.440 We were putting information out there every day, have a look and see what we're doing.

00:31:03.240 But at the end of the day, become a member.

00:31:05.920 But the big thing is, you know what, write your MP.

00:31:09.120 It really works.

00:31:10.100 I heard, or write your MP and your Senator.

00:31:11.880 We, we had a lot of response in the Senate from people that were writing letters.

00:31:17.620 And the Senators actually did, did mention that they were getting overrun by letters that were coming in, which is a good thing. 0.96

00:31:25.580 Let, let, let, let, let the Senators, let your MPs know what's going on and get out and vote.

00:31:31.200 That's the big thing.

00:31:32.000 But like I say, join the NFE, join the, join the NFA, get out and vote, write your Senators and your MPs.

00:31:39.960 Let them know that we're, we're a voice.

00:31:43.100 And when, when they understand that we're a large voice in Canada, things might change.

00:31:48.300 Yeah.

00:31:48.940 From your lips to God's ears.

00:31:50.440 This is not just a legislative change.

00:31:51.740 It needs to be a governmental change.

00:31:53.880 Yes.

00:31:54.360 And a, and a way this country rethinks what they feel about their friends and neighbors in the firearm zoning community. 0.53

00:32:02.900 Because for the last, going on eight years, Justin Trudeau has scapegoated them and treated them as though they are the violent criminals in the community.

00:32:10.420 Instead of just the people that you play hockey with and see on the street every day.

00:32:15.540 Rick, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:32:17.280 We'll have you back on again very soon because until there is a change of government, I think this is going to be a topic that we will constantly be talking about.

00:32:27.360 And thanks for having me on, Sheila.

00:32:28.560 I really enjoy doing your show.

00:32:29.940 And like I say, we'll, we'll speak again.

00:32:32.140 There's a lot of things that are going to be happening in the next few weeks.

00:32:35.260 So we'll be in touch again and to take this discussion a little further.

00:32:40.420 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show where I invite your viewer feedback.

00:32:51.240 I know, I know regular viewers of the show will find this little bit, this little preamble redundant, but we get new people here all the time.

00:32:59.300 We have to tell them how the rules work.

00:33:01.220 So if you want to send me viewer feedback on the show today or any show, just send me an email to Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:33:09.560 Put gun show letters in the subject line because I do get dozens, if not hundreds of emails a day, depending on what controversial thing I've weighed in on to make half the internet angry at me.

00:33:21.940 But also, if you're watching the free version of the show on YouTube or on Rumble, thanks for sitting through those ads, by the way.

00:33:31.560 It helps us pay the bills here.

00:33:32.940 But leave a comment in the comment section.

00:33:37.600 I do go poking around over there sometimes or even on the free version of the clips of the show that we release on YouTube and Rumble.

00:33:47.200 If you don't feel like sitting through the whole version of the show, you can just watch some interesting clips.

00:33:52.700 And that is exactly where I get today's comment from.

00:33:56.780 And it is on my show last week that I did with Corey Morgan from the Western Standard.

00:34:02.340 And we were talking about the new legislative session here in Alberta and what sort of things our freedom-loving Premier Daniel Smith, who just loves fighting with the federal government, what she has on her legislative agenda.

00:34:15.880 And one of the things we talked about was how Justin Trudeau very recently has given a tax break, by and large, to Atlantic Canada by exempting home heating fuel from the carbon tax, while leaving it in place for cleaner burning fuels, if you care about those sorts of things, like natural gas, which is what we burn on here in Western Canada.

00:34:41.200 And of course, Justin Trudeau did this for political reasons and not environmental reasons, because home heating fuel is actually a less clean burning fuel.

00:34:51.220 But liberal MPs are starting to break ranks with the rest of their party on issues of the carbon tax in Atlantic Canada, because they say it's all too punishing for their people there.

00:35:04.840 Now, as Chris Sims, my friend from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, points out, Western Canada actually pays more carbon tax on natural gas as a net sum than they pay on the carbon tax on home heating fuel in Atlantic Canada.

00:35:26.260 Not the liberals care about those sorts of things, but actually we do pay more.

00:35:29.980 But the people who pay less on a dirtier fuel, again, if you care about that sort of things, they're the ones getting the carbon tax break.

00:35:37.240 Because, of course, Justin Trudeau stands to lose nothing in Western Canada.

00:35:41.300 What are we going to do?

00:35:42.220 Not vote for him harder?

00:35:44.360 Anyway, we have a comment on that story from GC3339 on the clip of the show on YouTube,

00:35:57.020 who writes, what heating source is in the Trudeau storage barn recently renovated?

00:36:03.780 I wonder if it has heat pumps or natural gas.

00:36:07.160 Well, isn't that interesting?

00:36:09.360 What GC3339 here is referencing is the barn that was recently built.

00:36:18.620 That's how they're describing it.

00:36:19.720 It's a barn, but I think it's more of a storage building with a barn.

00:36:23.900 And it's got some wash bays there for vehicles, I think, which, okay, fine.

00:36:30.300 But basically, it's a steel Quonset, which you see all over the place, at least out here in Alberta.

00:36:39.300 And it was built by the National Capital Commission, which are like the parks and property managers for the properties owned by the federal government in the national capital region, so in Ottawa.

00:36:55.320 And so they are in charge of the property, let's say, at Rideau Hall, where the governor general lives, which is where this barn is.

00:37:04.660 And the barn is $8 million for a steel Quonset.

00:37:12.260 Oh, I'm a farmer.

00:37:13.480 I know a little something about what barns cost, especially like steel machine sheds.

00:37:19.100 And probably, probably, they could have done this for like one one-hundredth of the cost.

00:37:30.880 But the National Capital Commission had to put solar panels on the top of the barn.

00:37:39.500 And so that added enormously to the cost.

00:37:43.420 And so to answer your question, how is this thing heated, well, according to the National Capital Commission, with solar panels.

00:37:51.020 But according to reality, whatever it's heated with is not solar panels because it would naturally have to have a backup, which is usually clean burning natural gas because green energy is unreliable.

00:38:05.820 I can't even imagine who they have to pay to climb up on top of this steel Quonset to sweep off the solar panels on a snowy Ottawa January day to get three minutes of electricity out of these solar panels until they ultimately break and then leach into the soil.

00:38:31.300 And then we have to pay for the very expensive remediation of the soil on a National Historic Site.

00:38:39.900 What could possibly go wrong?

00:38:41.780 So yeah, $8 million for a building with solar panels that probably cost, you know, like $100,000 at most.

00:38:53.860 Of course, these things are expensive because the government's doing them.

00:38:56.600 But yeah, I mean, just crazy.

00:38:58.500 But to answer your question, if it has heat pumps, no, this is the Governor General's property we're talking about.

00:39:06.400 And she likes things that work.

00:39:08.120 Things that don't work, those are just for us little people.

00:39:11.680 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:39:13.740 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:39:15.020 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next weekend.

00:39:17.820 As always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:39:28.500 We'll be right back here in the same time.

Rebel News Podcast - November 09, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The cost of the Liberal's gun grab continues to balloon

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