Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The federal NDP wants to make oil and gas advocacy illegal

00:00:00.000 Canada's socialist NDP wants to criminalize oil and gas advocacy.

00:00:20.460 I guess I'll have to start a prison band with my guest tonight.

00:00:23.660 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Many of you already know this story. It broke about two weeks ago.

00:00:47.040 But to let you know, I have been traveling on our documentary project on Canada's culture of death. 0.59

00:00:55.880 It's about our medical assistance in dying program. Really, it's medical killing.

00:01:01.040 The documentary is called Made, The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion.

00:01:05.260 You can learn more about what we're doing and support the project at maidedocumentary.com.

00:01:10.540 So that is a long explanation about why you may have been wondering why I haven't talked about this topic, considering it would affect me quite directly.

00:01:21.740 So I'm going to show you this clip from the NDP Brain Trust, Charlie Angus, two-decade MP of the NDP, on his new big idea.

00:01:37.440 Take a listen.

00:01:38.280 Big oil has always relied on the big tobacco playbook of delay and disinformation.

00:01:43.880 And so to tackle this immense threat to human health, we need to use many of the strategies that finally took down big tobacco.

00:01:52.500 In 1997, the Canadian Parliament banned advertising from big tobacco because of the clear threat to human health.

00:02:00.020 This is why I'm so proud to stand here today with representatives of Canada's medical community to state that the time has come to ban all oil and gas advertising.

00:02:11.680 The big tobacco moment has finally arrived for big oil.

00:02:17.320 Bill C-372 will, quote, provide a legislative response to a national public health and environmental problem of substantial and pressing concerns.

00:02:26.940 The bill will make it illegal for big oil and gas lobby and the gas lobby or their front groups or paid influencers to falsely promote the burning of fossil fuels as a benefit to the public.

00:02:38.260 The legislation will make it illegal to falsely claim that the use of one fossil fuel product is somehow better than another fossil fuel product in improving the environment.

00:02:50.520 To claim that there are clean fossil fuels is like saying there are safe cigarettes.

00:02:55.120 We know that is simply not true.

00:02:57.540 Morgan Stanley points out that the damage from climate crisis for the North American economy in just three years has been a staggering $415 billion.

00:03:08.180 And this legislation will target advertising that falsely claims that oil and gas are having a positive impact on the global economy.

00:03:17.000 And we recently learned that toxic contamination from Canada's oil and gas industry is 6,000 times higher than officially reported.

00:03:27.260 This legislation will make it illegal for Canada's oil and gas giants to falsely identify themselves with the health and positive lifestyles of Canadians

00:03:36.580 or with reconciliation of Indigenous people on whose lands the toxic contamination is highest. 0.69

00:03:43.340 The big tobacco moment has arrived for companies like Suncor, Imperial, and the oil and gas giants of Canada.

00:03:52.140 So that's Charlie Angus, NDP MP of 20 years, considered actually, if there is such a thing, one of the grown-ups of the NDP party, a more moderate NDPer.

00:04:06.960 You make up your own mind about that.

00:04:10.280 And he's introducing Bill 372, C-372, otherwise known as an Act Respecting Fossil Fuel Advertising.

00:04:19.180 And it would treat fossil fuel advertising or just the normalization of fossil fuel use as a criminal offense.

00:04:29.340 He wants to treat oil and gas, life-affirming oil and gas, as an inherent poison to humans, which is crazy.

00:04:41.340 It's the reason I survived minus 53 this past winter here in Alberta.

00:04:47.320 I mean, it's ludicrous, but leave it to the NDP to get everything wrong. 0.98

00:04:52.120 And then I started thinking that act would criminalize the gun show because so much of the focus of the show is counter to the apocalyptic end times cult of global warming, climate change, pay your tithe to the church of Greta Thunberg so the weather will get more gooder. 0.99

00:05:22.120 So then I thought, how many of my friends besides me would end up in prison if Charlie Angus had his way?

00:05:31.700 So me, I'm in the slammer.

00:05:34.400 Then we'll put Robbie Picard in with me.

00:05:37.540 He's from Oil & Gas World Magazine and Oil Sounds Strong, Indigenous Advocate for Oil & Gas in Fort McMurray.

00:05:46.960 Then we'll put Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:05:51.240 Yes, she can join us. 0.98

00:05:53.740 Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:05:58.040 He'll be in the cell block with us.

00:06:00.240 Oh, my friend Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:06:03.560 She's very anti-carbon tax, as the name of her organization indicates she might be.

00:06:08.840 And she's pro-fossil fuels.

00:06:10.880 That's five of us in there?

00:06:12.660 You know what?

00:06:13.100 Let's get a full lineup for the prison volleyball team going. 1.00

00:06:17.720 Tonight, you'll hear from somebody, the sixth player of our prison volleyball team.

00:06:25.580 Somebody you know already.

00:06:27.160 He used to work for us here at Rebel News.

00:06:28.760 He moved to Alberta and then became an advocate for the benefits of oil and gas.

00:06:34.640 Also, somebody who would be in cell block C with me and the rest of the gang.

00:06:41.180 It's William Diaz.

00:06:42.780 You might know him as our Ottawa reporter.

00:06:46.360 Scrappy young man.

00:06:47.680 And he is with Young Canadians for Resources.

00:06:50.880 And he joins me tonight to discuss Bill C-372 and just how ridiculous it is.

00:06:59.340 Take a listen.

00:07:06.860 Joining me now is a familiar face to Rebel News viewers.

00:07:10.400 Many of you are probably wondering, what happened to Wild Bill?

00:07:14.280 Well, here he is.

00:07:15.900 He moved to Alberta and then got a job, I guess, technically in the oil patch, kind of.

00:07:25.600 In the sector.

00:07:26.780 In the sector.

00:07:27.580 You work in oil field advocacy and fossil fuel advocacy.

00:07:31.440 William Diaz, tell us what you've been up here since you came up from Alberta.

00:07:35.880 Yeah, well, thanks for inviting me on your show, Sheila. 0.72

00:07:37.840 I do public relations in the oil and gas and energy sector.

00:07:41.820 So I just advocate for Canadian energy because I believe, as many other young people do, that Canadian energy is the best energy in the world, the most sustainable, the best for the environment, creates jobs, creates revenue for government, for social programs.

00:07:55.960 So I think it's important that we, first of all, learn all the benefits of the industry, that we're informed of the benefits and that we advocate for survival and sustainability in the future.

00:08:07.560 Well, you haven't been in Alberta long, but, boy, you sound like one of us.

00:08:12.180 I want to ask you, just out of curiosity, I always wonder what it's like for people who move to Alberta from other parts of the country.

00:08:22.780 Because I get culture shock when I travel to other parts of the country because it's different.

00:08:27.900 We really are different here in Alberta, but it's normal for me.

00:08:31.460 As a young person who was living in Ottawa, of all places, and now you're in beautiful Calgary, what's it been like?

00:08:39.380 Yeah, well, I see Alberta as a land of opportunity.

00:08:42.660 As long as you're entrepreneurial, you're willing to work hard and do good for the province and for the country, you'll be able to do it too and to get whatever you want.

00:08:52.200 So I really see Alberta as a good, strong place, and I think the province has a lot to offer in the future.

00:08:58.360 Do you notice the people are a little different?

00:09:00.720 Like, that's for me.

00:09:01.400 When I travel outside of the province, I'm like, this is me.

00:09:03.660 But when I come home, I feel like it's like freedom is part of our DNA here in Alberta, even when you're just new here.

00:09:12.300 The people are different.

00:09:13.560 When we call ourselves ungovernable, we aren't joking.

00:09:16.900 Yeah.

00:09:17.480 No, the people of the province of Alberta are awesome.

00:09:19.560 I think they're really the ones that make the province great.

00:09:22.940 They're hard workers.

00:09:24.200 They're people that are actually connected with what's running our country, which is the energy sector.

00:09:28.480 They have a lot of people who are just grateful for what we do here in the province, and I think that's what makes this province great.

00:09:35.600 Now, the reason I wanted to have you on the show is because, well, first of all, I ran into you the other day at a documentary screening in Calgary, and then I realized, you know what?

00:09:44.740 Charlie Angus, lifer NDP MP, would love to put a young man like you in jail because the NDP have proposed a new law that would, it's called Bill C-372, an act respecting fossil fuel advertising.

00:10:04.760 What interesting language there.

00:10:06.420 But basically, they want to treat fossil fuel advertising in the same manner as the scary teeth that they put on cigarettes, and actually, you can't even see a cigarette package when you go into the store.

00:10:18.840 They have to be sort of blocked off and hidden, and you have to ask for it, and then they give you the cigarette package, and then you're like, oh, the scary mouth is on there.

00:10:26.540 They want us to treat fossil fuels that way, as though they are a harm to our health instead of the reason we're able to live in such a forbidding climate.

00:10:40.960 Give us a brief rundown of what Charlie Angus would like to do to you.

00:10:44.740 Yeah, so essentially, Bill C-372 would make it illegal to advertise the benefits of Canadian oil and gas, which in my mind, it just blows my mind.

00:10:52.040 And that includes the fact that it brings significant revenue to Indigenous communities nationwide.

00:10:58.260 It includes that Canadian oil and gas is among the cleanest in the world.

00:11:01.840 So if you mention either of those two things, you could either face up to two years in prison or have to pay $1.5 million in fine, which is insane.

00:11:11.860 And you also can't highlight the fact that it creates jobs and significant revenue for the government.

00:11:17.520 Revenue, by the way, that goes towards hospitals, schools, parks, arenas, universities, etc.

00:11:23.500 I was just in Grand Prairie this past weekend, where the Alberta Winter Games were hosted.

00:11:27.880 The Alberta Winter Games were sponsored by multiple oil and gas companies.

00:11:31.640 The opening ceremony was held at the Bonitz Energy Center.

00:11:34.800 So just oil and gas refunds communities across the country, and this bill would make it illegal to say that.

00:11:39.400 The bill also targets the phrases such as, as long as the world needs oil and gas, shouldn't it be Canadian?

00:11:45.900 What's wrong with that phrase?

00:11:47.360 And if you were to have stickers like these ones or hoodies with the images that say, I love Canadian oil and gas,

00:11:54.540 you could also face up to two years in prison because of how vaguely worded the bill is.

00:11:59.880 So it's just a crazy bill.

00:12:01.120 It's wild.

00:12:02.120 It's wild.

00:12:02.980 Like, you can get in trouble for advocating for Canadian oil and gas while we import conflict oil constantly to the east of the country.

00:12:14.180 Like, you can't say, wouldn't it be great if the people in the east were on Alberta oil as opposed to Algerian, Nigerian, Iraq?

00:12:25.220 You can't, under this law, this vaguely worded law, you couldn't say that or you could face up to two years in jail or multi-million dollars in fines.

00:12:35.580 It's so bizarre.

00:12:37.600 And it's demonization of the truth, right?

00:12:42.020 Like, it's...

00:12:42.600 Oh, it absolutely is.

00:12:44.040 Demonization of reality.

00:12:45.380 And I'm so glad you pointed out, which I don't think people in the rest of the country realize,

00:12:51.160 but it is completely normal on the prairies for your local hockey rink or your local sports team or your local rec center to be sponsored by an oil and gas company.

00:13:02.340 Like, all of Bonneville, Alberta, Cold Lake, Alberta, it's completely sponsored by an oil and gas company.

00:13:08.300 Almost all the infrastructure is built in partnership with oil and gas money.

00:13:13.480 In a lot of places, it's what keeps these small towns alive.

00:13:17.540 And leave it to somebody from the east, no offense, like Charlie Angus, to not know that.

00:13:24.660 So you can even thank Synovus for subsidizing your hockey rink under this law.

00:13:30.900 Yeah, or any of the other oil and gas companies.

00:13:34.260 And it's important to point out between 2022 and 2023, our oil and gas sector generated $112 billion in government money through royalties and taxes.

00:13:47.140 That's money that went to hospitals.

00:13:49.640 That's money that went to funding schools, parks, roads, and everything that makes our communities thrive.

00:13:55.160 So it's just, it's just, it's hilarious that Charlie Angus wants to make advertisement of our great energy sector illegal in Canada.

00:14:04.380 Now, Charlie Angus has painted himself as an advocate of indigenous people in the past.

00:14:13.620 But he would criminalize under his own bill indigenous people who speak about fossil fuel energy as a way out of generational poverty.

00:14:26.540 Yeah.

00:14:27.260 Do you think he's given that some thought or he just doesn't even care?

00:14:30.980 I mean, there's a lot of important indigenous voices that spoke out against Bill C-372.

00:14:36.300 Chris Sankey is one of them.

00:14:37.460 Stephen Buffalo as well.

00:14:38.560 Karen Ogun as well.

00:14:39.860 They all spoke out against the bill because oil and gas, the oil and gas sector brings important revenue to indigenous communities across the nation, especially remote indigenous communities.

00:14:49.400 I believe the IRN stated that the average salary of an indigenous person employed in the oil and gas sector is about $150,000 per year.

00:14:58.120 The average salary of an indigenous person employed in any other sector is $50,000 per year.

00:15:03.300 That's $100,000, $100,000 more, an average per person employed in the oil and gas sector for indigenous communities.

00:15:11.680 So it brings significant revenue, it brings prosperity, indigenous ownership in energy sector brings revenue to those communities and makes them thrive.

00:15:21.780 Yeah.

00:15:22.340 And the oil and gas sector, if I had to pick a sector that I would describe as indigenous, I would pick the oil and gas sector because many of these projects are where indigenous people live.

00:15:34.460 Fort McMurray, for example, places in Saskatchewan, these are places close to indigenous communities where indigenous young people can get a job in their own community.

00:15:47.440 They don't have to leave their community and their culture to make a good living.

00:15:51.380 And I was looking at some numbers the other day and indigenous people are employed in the oil and gas sector at a rate that outpaces their rate of the Canadian population in that.

00:16:07.720 So they are overrepresented in the oil and gas sector just for the reasons I stated.

00:16:14.500 And again, Charlie Angus is like, no, put them in handcuffs, take them to jail.

00:16:17.940 Well, it helps them break away from government dependency.

00:16:21.440 It helps them become more independent and actually look for their own community's prosperity.

00:16:26.960 So that's the reason why there are so many strong indigenous voices that spoke out against the bill and that say, no, we're not going to stand by that.

00:16:33.540 We're not going to say nothing about it.

00:16:35.260 We're going to speak out about it because it brings prosperity to our communities.

00:16:38.840 Now, this is an NDP bill, so I'm not sure it will pass the House.

00:16:43.040 But, you know, you never know with how crazy the Liberals have been.

00:16:48.160 I mean, we just heard the environment minister say no more roads.

00:16:51.460 So I don't know.

00:16:54.000 You never really know because the Liberals are just as radical as the NDP on these issues, at least in their legislation, but not in their behavior.

00:17:04.400 Yeah.

00:17:04.920 It worries me.

00:17:07.560 Well, we'll see what happens.

00:17:08.760 I doubt it's going to pass.

00:17:10.080 But I think just as Canadians, we should be proud of our oil and gas sector.

00:17:14.700 We should be proud of our energy sector.

00:17:16.700 The oil and gas sector alone contributes to 7% of our GDP for the country.

00:17:21.460 It creates jobs for half a million Canadians, and that's not including the families that are supported by those half a million Canadians and creates opportunities for indigenous communities and young Canadians as well for the futures and funds schools.

00:17:35.200 I'm just thinking that Alberta is currently in a leadership race in the NDP.

00:17:39.800 And since we know the provincial NDP is just a tiny little part of the NDP brain trust, if people are watching right now and you have an NDP leadership town hall in your area, make sure you ask those candidates whether or not they agree with Charlie Angus on criminalizing oil and gas advocacy and putting my friend William in jail.

00:18:06.060 Now, William, I want to ask you a couple of other things that if we talk nicely about, we'll probably get thrown in jail if Charlie Angus has his way.

00:18:13.520 But the inflation rate is down in Saskatchewan, outpacing the drop in the inflation rate across the country.

00:18:23.800 And the reason for that is because Saskatchewan quit collecting the carbon tax on their electricity, which goes to show just how these anti-fossil fuel policies of the Liberal government are really hurting the bottom line of everyday Canadians in ways that I think people don't really grasp just how deep it is.

00:18:52.920 That one thing that the Saskatchewan government did, not collecting carbon tax on the electricity produced by the provincial electricity producer, not collecting that has driven the inflation rate down in Saskatchewan.

00:19:11.420 Wouldn't you know, it's up in Alberta.

00:19:13.940 Why?

00:19:14.720 Because we had a shortage of fossil fuel generated electricity and it drove up our electricity rates.

00:19:20.220 Yeah, so I think Saskatchewan is able to stop collecting the carbon tax because it's a strong corporations.

00:19:27.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:28.220 Whereas in Alberta, we leave it to private companies to produce the oil and gas that we consume.

00:19:32.980 So that's the reason Alberta won't be able to stop collecting carbon taxes just like Saskatchewan is.

00:19:38.300 But I think the carbon tax is definitely something that needs to go as soon as possible.

00:19:41.880 Now, you work in oil and gas advocacy, so I want to ask you, you know, when you see these anti-oil policies like the carbon tax, I mean, it's an anti-fossil fuel policy.

00:19:55.480 Yeah.

00:19:55.620 That sends a bit of an investment chill when you see just this escalating carbon tax where the consumer is being hammered, but the investment in oil and gas projects, it can get parked somewhere else.

00:20:11.220 I mean, Saskatchewan.

00:20:12.300 A hundred percent.

00:20:12.900 Saskatchewan shares an oil field with North Dakota, and North Dakota doesn't have a carbon tax, and it has a stable, energy-friendly government.

00:20:23.360 In Canada, we don't have that.

00:20:24.980 And these bad policies of Justin Trudeau chase away well-paying, as you point out, Canadian jobs.

00:20:31.160 Well, I think most of the people that are advocating against Canada's oil and gas sector are just misinformed and poorly educated on the topic.

00:20:40.440 When I was living in Quebec, I saw something that we speak about a lot.

00:20:43.660 In the East, they don't have the same awareness of how important Canada's oil and gas sector is.

00:20:48.320 So that's where my job comes in, and I try to show people that, well, you know, it's not as bad as you think it is.

00:20:53.820 It's not just about money.

00:20:54.720 It's not just about CEOs getting richer or making shareholder values for people who invested in the industry.

00:21:00.380 It's about making our country thrive.

00:21:03.060 It's not just about oil and gas.

00:21:04.520 It's about all the people that depend on the sector, all our social programs that depend on the sector, and really the prosperity of Canada.

00:21:11.080 So I'd say those that are against the oil and gas sector is not just about being anti-Canadian energy.

00:21:17.900 It's about being anti-Canada.

00:21:19.760 You know, I want to ask you about that because you are doing this advocacy.

00:21:24.100 You are not just speaking to the converted.

00:21:26.520 Like, it's easy to go to Grand Prairie and talk to people in a town that relies on the oil and gas sector about how great oil and gas is.

00:21:35.120 But you're not just doing that.

00:21:36.200 So you are going places where there have been historical objections, I think misinformed objections, to Canada's oil and gas sector.

00:21:46.640 So if you were to give tips, as I think a newfound expert in this, to people who are watching this who want to help get the message out, spread the word, what are some of the myths that we should be debunking that you are hearing in your travels?

00:22:02.820 And how do we debunk them?

00:22:05.100 Give us some tools.

00:22:06.460 Well, the best examples were when I went to the University of British Columbia last summer.

00:22:10.780 I went there for a weekend and spoke to many students on campus about our energy sector.

00:22:17.260 So I think approaching it from a place of, you know, let's talk about it instead of demonizing the other side.

00:22:23.360 Because once again, a lot of the people who oppose our energy sector are the people who don't know a lot about it and who are poorly educated on the topic because it's not something that's being talked about a lot in universities or in Eastern Canada.

00:22:36.760 So I think just coming up with facts, appealing to the emotions and showing, look, this is concretely how a thriving energy sector is going to make our country better.

00:22:47.260 And I think just showing that to people helps them understand a lot better.

00:22:51.420 So what are they getting wrong about this?

00:22:54.000 Well, I think a lot of people just think that the CEOs of the companies are greedy.

00:22:57.740 I think a lot of people don't understand the ESG initiatives that our oil and gas companies across the country are actually taking part of.

00:23:05.460 All of the investments that are made by companies such as Birchcliffe or Tourmaline into funding hospitals, into funding schools.

00:23:12.820 A lot of that just isn't shared around and isn't common knowledge for most people who aren't involved in the sector like ourselves.

00:23:19.560 So just showing that to people, showing the numbers, showing the facts helps them understand a lot better.

00:23:25.620 Do you think they understand the role of reclamation in the oil and gas sector?

00:23:34.480 Because, you know, they, I think for a lot of people who object to the oil and gas sector, they just see the strip mining, the open pit mining of Fort McMurray, but they don't know this teeny tiny footprint of conventional oil and gas shrinking all the time.

00:23:50.720 The teeny tiny footprint of fracking, because a lot of times it's directional, they don't even have to be where the gas is.

00:23:58.240 The teeny tiny footprint of SAG-D, which is the majority of how you extract oil sands, it's not mining, it's SAG-D, it's steam.

00:24:10.720 Do you think they, for me, when I'm talking to people who think oil and gas is dirty, all they have in their mind is a big open pit in Fort McMurray.

00:24:21.420 They don't understand that that mine is going to be filled in, reclaimed, we're going to graze buffalo on it, we're going to build a park on top.

00:24:29.440 I think they think it's all like that, and then just left that way.

00:24:33.640 Yeah, so it's funny that you mention it, because when I went to the University of British Columbia, I actually did a little video of me showing students four images of clean, beautiful sites, and asking them which of these is an image of a reclaimed oil site.

00:24:47.160 And most of the students had no idea which one was right, because they all seemed so clean.

00:24:52.680 And a lot of them were super surprised when they actually learned which one was the correct one, because it just was so clean.

00:24:58.800 So I think, once again, that just comes from poor education on the topic of oil and gas, and not knowing what's actually going on after the site has been exploited.

00:25:08.160 Amongst the following images, which of the following do you think used to be an oil drilling site in the past?

00:25:12.920 An oil drilling site?

00:25:18.060 Yeah.

00:25:31.460 I don't know, I like this.

00:25:32.380 This one?

00:25:33.480 I'm going to go with B.

00:25:34.600 I probably see this one.

00:25:36.060 This one?

00:25:36.620 B?

00:25:36.780 This one.

00:25:37.600 I think it's actually this one.

00:25:49.740 Okay, it's the greenest of them all.

00:25:51.740 Yeah.

00:25:52.480 This one?

00:25:53.220 This one, yeah.

00:25:54.220 Oh, very cool.

00:25:55.060 I guess surprising how green it is, and how everything seems to be growing well.

00:26:00.660 Does it surprise you to see that?

00:26:02.360 Yeah, it does, actually.

00:26:03.740 I should have known that you were playing me.

00:26:05.720 I wouldn't even say exploited.

00:26:07.700 I would say just utilize.

00:26:09.360 Yeah, utilize.

00:26:10.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:11.440 Utilize.

00:26:11.840 And I think, though, and I know that you're going to be diplomatic in this more than you used to be, but I think it also goes to the way the mainstream media talks about oil and gas.

00:26:32.480 They are the reason that those university students only see the open mining and never the reclamation or the other methods of extraction.

00:26:44.760 They're the reason.

00:26:45.860 Like, that's where they're getting their information is from social media, from activists, and the mainstream media who never show the life cycle of an oil and gas project.

00:26:56.980 They only show the beginning as a construction.

00:26:59.780 Like, when you think about oil and gas as a construction project, it's never pretty when you're building your garage, but then your garage is done, and the supplies are off the yard, and you're like, oh, this is beautiful.

00:27:09.820 It's the same thing with oil and gas, but I think the mainstream media doesn't do a great job of telling that story, so I guess you have job security because of that, and so do I.

00:27:20.120 Well, exactly.

00:27:20.620 I think that's a great analogy, and when you mention activists, it's often activists that claim to speak on behalf of indigenous communities or environmentalists that claim to speak on behalf of indigenous communities.

00:27:29.780 of indigenous communities, and indigenous leaders are fed up with it, and they've made multiple articles about that.

00:27:36.360 But just to go back to your main point, yeah, I think that's the reason our organization exists.

00:27:40.380 We're here to show the other side of the story because we're here to have a balanced conversation on the topic of Canada's energy sector because oftentimes in universities, as you said, we only see one side of the story.

00:27:51.740 We only see the negative side of the story portrayed by scholars and so-called activists, so that's why we're here, and it's great to see students have open minds and change their minds on the topic by seeing the other side of the story and by seeing that Canada's oil and gas sector should not be as demonized as it is right now.

00:28:11.380 You know, I think you're the right guy for this job because we trained you in telling the other side of the story, you're doing that, you're also a young person from the eastern part of this country, so you know where the gaps in information are because you were exposed to those gaps in information, but you came into your working knowledge of the oil and gas sector with an open mind, so I think that's wonderful.

00:28:35.380 Tell us how people can find some of the work that you're doing.

00:28:40.380 Some people can go to, honestly, if you go to ycresources.ca, we have a website there.

00:28:45.380 We have a Twitter account.

00:28:46.380 We have a YouTube channel.

00:28:47.380 We have an Instagram account.

00:28:48.380 If you look at our, so Yaw Kang is for Resources is the Youth Wing of Canada Action, which is our bigger nonprofit organization.

00:28:56.380 If you go on Twitter at ycresources.ca, you'll see some of our content there as well.

00:29:03.380 Awesome.

00:29:04.380 Awesome.

00:29:05.380 Yeah.

00:29:06.380 William, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:29:07.380 Thanks so much for the work that you do on behalf of, I guess, the truth, but also just regular old oil patch families like mine.

00:29:17.380 We care deeply about nature.

00:29:20.380 Yeah.

00:29:21.380 We think about it differently than the other side of this argument, and really, as you point out, sometimes there isn't another side to this argument.

00:29:32.380 It's just people who don't have all the facts, and I think you're doing a good job of outreach.

00:29:37.380 Well, exactly.

00:29:38.380 And global oil and gas demand is growing, and it's set to continue to grow in the following year.

00:29:42.380 So the real question to ask is really just, as long as the world needs oil and gas, should it not become Canadian?

00:29:49.380 Should it not come from Canada?

00:29:50.380 And as soon as you ask a question, I think it's just common sense at this point.

00:29:54.380 You keep talking like that, Charlie Angus is going to throw you in jail.

00:29:57.380 Yeah, sorry.

00:29:59.380 But I'll have to hide the stickers that I have right here.

00:30:03.380 Thanks, William.

00:30:04.380 We'll talk soon.

00:30:06.380 Well, we've come to the portion of the show wherein we invite your viewer feedback.

00:30:15.380 I say this every week, and I know it's redundant, but I think it's important that I say it every week because it is really important.

00:30:20.380 It's like the number one most important thing about Rebel News.

00:30:23.380 We care about what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News because without you, there's no us.

00:30:30.380 We don't exist without you.

00:30:32.380 We'll never take a penny from Justin Trudeau, and how could we ever hold him to account if we did?

00:30:37.380 So we have to rely on your willing support.

00:30:42.380 And I think it's the least we can do if we're asking for your support is to listen to what you have to say to us on the stories that we're doing.

00:30:52.380 It's why we never close the comment section, and it's why I give up my email address right now.

00:30:56.380 It's Sheila at RebelNews.com.

00:30:58.380 Put gun show letters in the subject line.

00:31:01.380 If you've got something to say, say it there.

00:31:04.380 It might just get read on the show.

00:31:06.380 But also, you know, maybe you're not somebody who watches this show behind the paywall at Rebel News Plus.

00:31:13.380 Maybe that's not in your budget.

00:31:14.380 I appreciate that.

00:31:15.380 Justin Trudeau is finding newer ways to pick your pockets all the time and leave your family with less money.

00:31:20.380 So if you're watching the free version of the show, be it on YouTube, over on Rumble.

00:31:25.380 You're sitting through some ads.

00:31:27.380 Thank you very much.

00:31:28.380 Every little bit helps.

00:31:30.380 Leave a comment over there too.

00:31:33.380 Sometimes I go looking over there.

00:31:35.380 Quite frequently, actually.

00:31:37.380 Maybe about 30, 40% of my comments that I read on air come from over there.

00:31:42.380 So don't let this show sitting behind a paywall be a bar for entry.

00:31:48.380 All that is to say, I've got a letter.

00:31:51.380 It came to the email inbox, and it came very recently, but on a show that I did a couple of weeks ago when Kian Simone, our chief documentary filmmaker, and I were in, I think we were in Ottawa at the time.

00:32:07.380 We were running around the country taking some early morning flights and some very late morning flights on some very, very affordable airlines.

00:32:16.380 If you get my drift.

00:32:18.380 To make a documentary on medical assistance in dying, MAID as they call it, which is the sterilized form of what it really is in its medical killing.

00:32:27.380 Our documentary is called MAID, The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion.

00:32:31.380 You can learn more about it at maidedocumentary.com.

00:32:35.380 You can also chip in to support our work there.

00:32:38.380 As I said, we're taking some very inconvenient but affordable flights to save money.

00:32:46.380 And because I have other work to do with this company, besides making a documentary, you know, I've got to bring you a show every week on Wednesdays.

00:32:59.380 So we filmed a gun show from our Airbnb in Ottawa, and we talked about, you know, sort of Kian's experience about changing his mind on medical assistance and dying from someone who was, yeah, you know what?

00:33:16.380 Your body, your choice, you do what you want, to this is a great evil.

00:33:21.380 And we never should have opened the door to any of this.

00:33:25.380 That's sort of where he's come around on the topic.

00:33:28.380 You can watch the show. It's a couple weeks back.

00:33:31.380 There's a free version and a paywalled version.

00:33:33.380 So you can see what I'm talking about.

00:33:35.380 But I thought it was an interesting conversion story, a Saul to Paul moment for Kian.

00:33:44.380 And he came to that conclusion after speaking to the families and the people who have unique experiences with medical assistance and dying.

00:33:57.380 And that letter, the letter I got came to me from somebody named Lori.

00:34:06.380 And she says, Dear Sheila, I love the fact that you're doing a documentary on Made.

00:34:10.380 We need to know the truth.

00:34:12.380 Friends, it is worse than you could ever imagine.

00:34:15.380 Before I continue on with this letter, I should tell you, my email inbox on this topic is split 50-50.

00:34:26.380 It is people with stories, horror stories, like the worst possible horror stories of medical assistance and dying.

00:34:37.380 And 50% of people saying, Sheila, Kian, you guys are exaggerating.

00:34:42.380 It's totally not that bad. It's just for people who are in intense physical suffering whose deaths are imminent.

00:34:49.380 Not even close. Not even close.

00:34:53.380 And because my email inbox is split 50-50, that's exactly why we need to do this documentary.

00:35:02.380 Because we can use the horror stories of the reality to inform the other people who think it's not that bad, who think I'm exaggerating, who think it couldn't possibly be that bad.

00:35:13.380 It's that bad and worse, as we're finding out.

00:35:16.380 Anyway, back to the letter.

00:35:18.380 We need to know the truth.

00:35:19.380 Thank you for your sit down with Kian and his honesty in the matter.

00:35:23.380 How knowing about the truth, hearing people's stories and understanding about what is really going on has dramatically changed his mind on Made.

00:35:30.380 The death culture in Canada has stripped us of compassion and I'm afraid of where this will continue to go. 1.00

00:35:36.380 The can of worms, Pandora's box, if you will, has been opened.

00:35:40.380 At what point, where do we draw the line?

00:35:43.380 I'm a mother of a handicapped girl, now 38 years old.

00:35:46.380 I can't help but wonder, at what point do we see fit to help those who are not as capable as some out of their misery?

00:35:53.380 It's already happening.

00:35:55.380 Or do we even allow them to live in the first place?

00:35:58.380 I know it is said of Denmark that there are no disabled persons to be seen anymore.

00:36:02.380 One has to wonder.

00:36:04.380 You know, I saw a tweet.

00:36:06.380 This is on the other side of the life experience.

00:36:09.380 And it was from Iceland.

00:36:13.380 And they were sort of bragging that there are no people born with Down syndrome there anymore.

00:36:19.380 It's not like they found a cure for Down syndrome.

00:36:24.380 They're just not letting those babies live beyond the womb. 1.00

00:36:30.380 And they saw it as a good thing.

00:36:33.380 Anyway, Lori tells us her own story.

00:36:39.380 My own story.

00:36:40.380 I became severely depressed after my fourth child, now 23 years ago.

00:36:44.380 But I remember vividly not wanting to live.

00:36:47.380 Not wanting to live with the mental anguish and torture I was in.

00:36:50.380 I remember trying to decide how to end my life, but not wanting to leave my husband with the children.

00:36:55.380 One of the things that I struggled with was, do I take the baby with me or not?

00:37:00.380 It seems very dark now that I say it.

00:37:03.380 And indeed it is.

00:37:04.380 But that is the reality of the depressed mind.

00:37:07.380 Turns out, I did seek help.

00:37:09.380 Was not offered MAID.

00:37:11.380 Thank God.

00:37:13.380 I know I would have taken it at the time.

00:37:17.380 What I needed was an ear to hear, some hormone therapy, and a few antidepressants for a short time to enable me to process and get better.

00:37:27.380 And you know what?

00:37:28.380 That's really the problem with a lot of this.

00:37:31.380 It's happening so fast.

00:37:32.380 There's no time to process.

00:37:34.380 There's no time for treatment.

00:37:35.380 There's no time for the chemicals in your brain to get right.

00:37:39.380 MAID happens faster than that. 1.00

00:37:42.380 Lori goes on,

00:37:43.380 I look back on the last 23 years, and although nothing is ever easy for every minute of every day, I am ever so thankful that I chose life.

00:37:51.380 My experience has helped others as I listen to women who are suffering with postpartum depression.

00:37:56.380 Not one experience is ever lost if you choose to grow from them and use them to help others.

00:38:03.380 Fellow warrior, Lori in Powell River.

00:38:07.380 I hope we're able to bring this documentary when it's finished to Powell River, somewhere close to you, although it will be available online when it is done.

00:38:16.380 But I've never met anybody, and I'm sure Lori, you are the same, somebody who has ever attempted suicide or seriously contemplated suicide and who has come out the other side.

00:38:28.380 I've never met a single person who wishes that they had been successful in their attempts or in their ideation.

00:38:37.380 Sometimes it's just time, even beyond treatment, sometimes it's just time.

00:38:44.380 Time to get through that intense moment of despair.

00:38:49.380 And I will tell you, the statistics show that it is not physical suffering.

00:38:53.380 It is not imminent death that people are choosing medical assistance and dying for.

00:38:59.380 It is because of a lack of purpose.

00:39:02.380 This is what the studies show.

00:39:04.380 A lack of usefulness.

00:39:08.380 It's despair.

00:39:10.380 Despair is transient.

00:39:12.380 It will go.

00:39:13.380 It will go.

00:39:15.380 If we just give people the time and the support that they need.

00:39:19.380 And Maid does complete, completely the opposite.

00:39:24.380 Again, if you want to support the documentary, it's at MaidDocumentary.com.

00:39:28.380 I think it's one of the hardest things I've ever done.

00:39:31.380 But I think one of the most important.

00:39:34.380 Because stories like Lori's and stories like the people we've interviewed, they will change minds.

00:39:41.380 They will save lives.

00:39:43.380 That's my hope.

00:39:44.380 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:39:45.380 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:39:46.380 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place.

00:39:49.380 That is, if Charlie Angus doesn't have me taken to jail.

00:39:52.380 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - February 22, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The federal NDP wants to make oil and gas advocacy illegal

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