Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Feds plan to ram latest gun grab through the Senate before summer break

00:00:00.000 What does the re-election of Danielle Smith here in Alberta mean for law-abiding firearms

00:00:04.020 owners, not just in Alberta, but across the country?

00:00:06.700 Then, what's the status of Justin Trudeau's latest gun grab?

00:00:12.580 We'll find out.

00:00:13.980 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:30.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:01:00.060 No, no, no.

00:01:00.460 There's no time to consider those things or the impact that banning a bunch of guns would

00:01:04.620 have on firearms retailers who will end up with stranded assets.

00:01:08.560 Again, no, no, no.

00:01:09.420 No time for that.

00:01:10.140 We've got to get this done before we can go for our summer cottage vacations.

00:01:16.920 Thanks, liberals.

00:01:18.380 Then, what does the re-election of Alberta Premier Daniel Smith mean for firearms owners in Alberta,

00:01:26.580 but also as a thought leader on the issue of property rights amongst the premiers across

00:01:32.960 the country?

00:01:33.640 I think it is a great thing for Alberta, and it's going to inspire other premiers to stand

00:01:38.240 up to Ottawa to do the same, to say we are not using any provincial resources to grab the

00:01:44.560 guns of Albertans who have committed no crimes.

00:01:47.780 And then, just this morning, as I'm recording this Tuesday morning, I see in the gun blog

00:01:55.240 that the liberals have misled the public.

00:01:58.940 I know you probably can't believe it.

00:02:01.220 About the cost of their gun grab compensation program.

00:02:05.540 They call it a buyback program, but you can't really buy back something that wasn't yours

00:02:10.340 to begin with.

00:02:11.460 So, this is, Canadians are caught up in the Order in Council, which banned initially 1,500,

00:02:18.560 but now closer to 2,000 popular models of Canadian rifles and shotguns.

00:02:23.460 And the liberals initially pegged the cost of that program at $807 to $800 million.

00:02:33.040 Well, according to documents obtained by the great folks at the gun blog, and these are

00:02:37.940 internal liberal communications, back in 2019, they pegged the buyback program at closer to

00:02:43.980 $2 billion, which means, quite frankly, it's probably closer to $4 billion after you factor

00:02:52.680 in all the cost, overruns, and government ineptitude, and bloated bureaucracy.

00:03:01.340 These people just can't tell the truth.

00:03:03.420 Now, joining me to discuss all these issues are some men who really know what they're talking

00:03:10.900 about.

00:03:11.220 It's Rick Igersich.

00:03:12.120 He's the national president of the National Firearms Association of Canada.

00:03:17.900 And then we've got Dwayne Gorniak.

00:03:19.500 He's the Alberta director of the National Firearms Association.

00:03:23.600 Here's our interview.

00:03:25.000 Take a listen.

00:03:32.800 So joining me now is Rick Igersich.

00:03:35.240 He's the president of the National Firearms Association.

00:03:38.700 And Dwayne Gorniak, he is the Alberta director of the National Firearms Association.

00:03:43.600 So we'll talk about some things that are happening federally.

00:03:46.900 And then I want to talk to Dwayne about sort of the political aspect of the recent re-election

00:03:54.320 of Alberta Premier Daniel Smith and what that means for gun owners here in Alberta.

00:03:58.540 But Rick, I think I'll start with you.

00:04:00.780 First of all, thanks, guys, for joining me.

00:04:03.300 You guys are very busy.

00:04:04.500 You're fighting the government.

00:04:05.660 So I appreciate the time that you're taking to talk to me and update the firearms community

00:04:10.740 who I think there's a strong overlap between your audiences and mine.

00:04:15.960 Rick, tell us what's going on with the latest fight back against Justin Trudeau's gun grab.

00:04:21.580 Thanks for having us again, Sheila.

00:04:24.080 The latest gun grab.

00:04:25.880 Yeah, that's that's the best word, the best descriptor right there.

00:04:29.120 What's going on right now?

00:04:30.560 The SECU meetings are finished and it is actually in second reading in the Senate.

00:04:37.400 The liberals are trying to fast track this through Parliament as fast as they can.

00:04:42.020 They want to get this done before summer break.

00:04:45.140 So it is in the Senate.

00:04:47.620 It is in second reading.

00:04:48.680 We have applied to we have applied to give evidence in Senate.

00:04:52.100 We haven't got a response yet.

00:04:54.120 But I you know what, with a liberal with a liberal leaning Senate,

00:04:57.680 I don't know if we'll get a chance to give a chance or have a chance to give a statement.

00:05:02.640 I'm hoping that I'm hoping that we do.

00:05:05.700 They need to hear from the firearms community.

00:05:08.320 With that said, there's also the liberals also are recreating the firearms advisory board.

00:05:16.620 Now, this was this.

00:05:17.940 They had one of these in the past and it kind of got it kind of got buried.

00:05:22.280 So that was one of the things that at the end of SECU that they they suggested to do to create this firearms advisory board.

00:05:30.380 And they're going to basically they said we're reconstituting the firearms advisory board.

00:05:35.880 And it's going to be represented by all parts of the demographic and that I I'm waiting to see.

00:05:44.960 It's supposed to be a bipartisan committee, but we have applied for that also.

00:05:49.420 But the chances of us getting on that, I think, are pretty slim.

00:05:52.700 I think any any gun advocacy group, it's going to be pretty hard pressed to get on that on that board.

00:05:58.520 And that's where we're basically at right now.

00:06:01.540 You know, they're like I say, they're fast tracking.

00:06:04.800 They're trying to push it there.

00:06:06.400 You know, they're creating these committees that are going to favor them in the end at the end of the day, just like this whole process.

00:06:12.340 The SECU and all this, all the all these meetings and all this stuff we went through, everything favored them at the end of the day.

00:06:19.020 The only good thing about it was that our people prolonged it. 0.92

00:06:25.040 And I think if they can keep doing that and, you know, get it closed for the summer and right now, our best bet is an election.

00:06:31.180 Like I've said before, we need an election.

00:06:33.100 We need to get rid of this government.

00:06:35.000 And I think hopefully things will get more unstable than they are in Ottawa and there'll be an election call.

00:06:41.200 But we're hoping that's what happens.

00:06:43.140 And for my end, that's where we're at right now.

00:06:45.440 Yeah, I mean, the liberals are not against stacking the deck against their political enemies, as we've seen with David Johnston, Justin Trudeau's family friend and friend to China being appointed to investigate Justin Trudeau's ties to China and foreign influence peddling in Canada.

00:07:06.040 So, yeah, it's nothing new that they would stack this advisory board full of social justice activists, doctors against gun violence, feminists.

00:07:16.680 But you won't see Olympic sport shooters.

00:07:19.700 You won't see industry advocates.

00:07:21.820 You won't see advocates for the firearms community on there, I think, in any real capacity whatsoever.

00:07:28.200 No. And, you know, and that's that's the game they play.

00:07:30.720 Like I say, we need it.

00:07:31.560 We need a we need a government change.

00:07:33.320 We need it quick.

00:07:34.000 I want to ask, Dwayne, I'll bring you into the conversation here since you're waiting there so politely.

00:07:39.140 But I saw the other day that the liberals have declared a national day against gun violence as though there there's anybody for gun violence except the gangsters.

00:07:52.200 What do you think of this just shameless virtue signaling?

00:07:57.660 It's what the liberals always do.

00:07:59.280 They have to put a label on something that's always divide and conquer.

00:08:03.000 And we've talked about this in the NFA and we're thinking about a new campaign called Anti-Violence 365.

00:08:10.460 Our whole society should be anti-violence, you know, 365 days a year.

00:08:17.020 And the liberals have to paint everything as the term gun violence.

00:08:21.620 And, you know, we have the stance of there's no such thing as gun violence.

00:08:25.620 It's just violent and criminal behavior, period.

00:08:30.760 And the problem with the liberal system is that they're actually creating it.

00:08:36.580 We call them a farming industry.

00:08:38.760 If you can picture the courthouse as a combine and the police are taking the criminals and they're dumping them into the combine, you know, during harvest.

00:08:48.820 And then the judges and the lawyers and the bureaucrats process these criminals and then they punt them right out the front door back onto the streets.

00:08:56.300 So it's I can't call it a justice system anymore.

00:08:59.240 It's a catch and release legal industry.

00:09:01.660 And that's that's how I envision that, you know, like it's and it's unfortunate for the police because the police are getting to the point where I have a lot of personal friends that are police officers.

00:09:13.320 And they're so frustrated with it because it doesn't matter how much they do their job.

00:09:18.320 The liberals are turning their job into a meaningless situation with their way of doing that.

00:09:25.260 And again, it should be just anti-violence, period.

00:09:28.940 You know, that's how I look at it.

00:09:31.160 So, yeah, there's a lot of demoralization in police services across the country, not just the RCMP, but our local municipal police forces.

00:09:39.480 And a lot of it has to do with the catch and release system that we have here in Canada, the the flawed bail system and then the wrongful targeting the friends, the neighbors of police officers as criminals.

00:09:55.920 And there's, you know, like this National Day Against Gun Violence.

00:10:00.680 And it's sort of meant to pit the firearms community against anybody else who like to paint the firearms owning community as people who are quite possibly for gun violence.

00:10:15.060 It's all very strange.

00:10:16.580 It's like they should.

00:10:17.700 Why don't you just go and make murder triple illegal while you're at it?

00:10:21.300 Maybe the criminals will listen then.

00:10:23.800 Yeah.

00:10:24.560 So are we going to have a national anti-murder day?

00:10:28.360 You know, like, you know, it's crazy how they label everything.

00:10:31.720 And you're exactly right, Sheila, how they they're going to actually paint us, all three of us here in this interview and discussion.

00:10:40.500 It's going to go against us and it's not going to do anything against the gangs.

00:10:45.740 You know, with the issue there and Pierre Polyev just released some stats there on his Twitter account there about the gangs, how the violence is up.

00:10:54.960 And for as long as I can remember, criminal activity and especially gang activity, every time we get a liberal government in power, it goes up.

00:11:04.300 Yeah.

00:11:04.880 Yeah.

00:11:05.340 I think Pierre Polyev the other day had some very interesting statistics about just the nature of violent crime that is being done by chronic recidivists. 1.00

00:11:16.760 So these people who just keep getting arrested, let out, they are out on bail, they commit a crime, they get arrested.

00:11:26.200 The poor demoralized police keep having to arrest the same guys in the community who go before the same justice of the peace.

00:11:32.460 The same criminal says to the same justice of the peace, I promise I won't do it this time.

00:11:36.620 You got to let me out.

00:11:37.400 And they do.

00:11:38.180 And it's just the same guy is a systemic crime wave.

00:11:42.600 And that's really the problem, I think, with the crime rates in the country is that people are allowed to commit crimes while out on bail and still get bail for those crimes.

00:11:54.160 On the flip side, so help you God, don't you dare honk your horn in Ottawa and upset some bureaucrats because you'll go to jail for 50 days.

00:12:01.860 That's liberal logic, though, Sheila, you know, they're going after law-abiding firearms owners that are vetted every day instead of the root cause. 0.95

00:12:13.560 You know, like you said, blow your horn in Ottawa and go to jail and get your bank accounts froze.

00:12:18.140 You know, have a gun in your safe with a trigger lock on it that's 100% locked down and, you know, come and get it.

00:12:26.280 But meanwhile, the crime is running rampant in the streets.

00:12:29.300 Yeah.

00:12:29.460 Right.

00:12:30.400 And just to add to that, in Pierre Polyev's tweet, I've actually got it in front of me here.

00:12:35.980 He says, gun crime is up 10%.

00:12:37.920 Violent crime is up 32%.

00:12:40.400 Gang killings are up 92%.

00:12:42.660 And so, I mean, that's a huge number, gang killings.

00:12:46.980 And, you know, it's frustrating because nothing is ever done about the root cause of the issue.

00:12:54.600 And for the last three years throughout the OICs, all of these so-called semi-autos and what the liberals want to paint as bad guns, they've been banned through the OICs.

00:13:05.980 Well, wait a minute.

00:13:06.880 They're illegal.

00:13:07.700 Nobody can have them anymore.

00:13:08.860 But yet, our gang killings are up 92% under the liberal government.

00:13:12.980 And this is the same liberal government that reduced sentences, removed the mandatory minimum sentences for a whole host of gang-related crimes because of systemic racism.

00:13:24.260 Or at least that's the excuse that they used.

00:13:28.240 So, it just allows that recidivism to continue because there are no real consequences or at least not the strict consequences these people so rightly deserve.

00:13:38.700 And yet, the insinuation is that you and I and Rick are pro-gun violence.

00:13:45.500 But we're not the ones that are repeatedly letting out the violent criminals.

00:13:50.520 That's the liberals.

00:13:51.920 Now, I wanted to ask you guys about another thing on the federal sort of landscape.

00:13:57.140 And it seems to me as though every time the liberals are in power, we get some form of registration.

00:14:03.740 And with registration always follows confiscation, right?

00:14:07.100 And also overblown gun programs wherein they underestimate the sheer cost of these programs while also knowing the sheer cost of these programs and not divulging that to the public.

00:14:22.020 So, the one thing that's sort of on my radar today, it was on the gun blog, the liberals previously had said that their gun confiscation program would come to about $700 million, which seemed to me a crazy estimate and a lowball naturally because they don't know how many of some of these guns are in the country because they were not registered before.

00:14:46.800 So, how do you know how many of them there are for you to go around and grab them and then confiscate or then compensate people for them?

00:14:53.880 So, how do you even ballpark that number?

00:14:56.840 But even with that being said, liberal internal documents estimate the gun grab confiscation costs at $1.8 billion, and that was back in 2019 in some briefing notes.

00:15:08.060 So, they're telling the public it's $700 million to confiscate the lawfully acquired property of completely lawful people.

00:15:17.720 But even their own internal numbers peg this at closer to $2 billion, which to me means four.

00:15:23.140 Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there.

00:15:25.820 What they're doing, like you said, they do not know how many of those firearms are out there.

00:15:31.100 So, of course, they put some plans into action, and one of them is the one we talked about before where they've got industry groups actually going from, with lack of simpler terms, gun shop to gun shop to see what they've got there so they can report back to the government.

00:15:48.080 And at the end of the day, I don't still believe there's going to be a buyout.

00:15:52.340 But our country can't afford a $2 billion 1.7, which is probably going to end up being $3 billion, the way things are going.

00:16:00.900 They can't afford to pay these people that kind of money, but they're definitely on an information-gathering scheme right now.

00:16:09.960 And, you know, I think as this – I don't know how much of this information is going to come in.

00:16:15.080 I've talked to a lot of people about this.

00:16:16.600 And people, you know, unless they're absolutely directed by law to give that kind of information out, they're not going to give it out, is what I've been hearing.

00:16:25.300 And, you know, the numbers are going to be skewed anyway, but I still think it's going to reach far into the billions.

00:16:33.100 Yeah, I think we're looking at probably close to double.

00:16:36.000 Everything the government touches costs more money than it should.

00:16:39.840 Look at the Trans Mountain Pipeline.

00:16:41.980 Like, everything they touch just turns to overblown budgets.

00:16:48.280 And I guess the point of all of this is it's completely unnecessary.

00:16:52.160 It will do nothing to alleviate those increases in gang killings that Dwayne just told us about.

00:16:59.440 You know, what it's doing is actually taking money out of the coffers that they could put towards gang violence and, you know, smuggled guns.

00:17:08.400 It's that they're taking money out of their coffers to buy these guns that are all locked up in safes now anyway, that aren't doing anything.

00:17:15.860 They're not growing legs and committing crimes.

00:17:18.000 But they're put there.

00:17:19.280 Well, then again, like I say, are they going to push that much money towards or are they just going to come and confiscate them?

00:17:24.360 We don't know that yet.

00:17:25.140 We won't know that until it happens.

00:17:27.940 But even the money that they're wasting, coming up with these schemes, paying these people to do this, that could all be put towards gang violence and smuggled firearms, which is the root of the problem.

00:17:41.540 And that would definitely be better than, you know, basically wasting taxpayers' money.

00:17:48.580 You know, it's a chilling proposition for the liberals to say, look, we're being fiscal conservatives by stealing your guns and not compensating you for them.

00:17:57.460 But that's liberal logic for you.

00:18:00.320 That's liberal logic.

00:18:01.840 Now, Dwayne, I wanted to ask you, we'll move into sort of the ramifications of the Alberta election here.

00:18:08.580 Daniel Smith, our newly elected, given a brand new mandate to lead premier, she's very pro firearms community and anti-gun grab.

00:18:22.300 She has said that our RCMP will not be asked to do Justin Trudeau's bidding and go around door to door, kicking in the doors of friends and neighbors and confiscating their firearms.

00:18:35.920 Do you think that that is something that is going to hold true?

00:18:39.580 I do.

00:18:42.220 Now, I guess some of the things I'm about to say are of my opinion and not the NFA.

00:18:47.860 That's why you're here.

00:18:49.860 So I'm very, very involved in the conservative movement in Alberta.

00:18:57.480 And I used to sit on the original Wild Rose board.

00:19:00.480 And yes, when Danielle Smith crossed the floor and all that, you know, she definitely made a big mistake.

00:19:06.860 But with that said, most politicians of her stature never get a second chance like that.

00:19:13.780 And she's profusely apologized for it.

00:19:15.780 There were some internal things going on in the Wild Rose party at that time that, you know, made her cross the floor.

00:19:21.420 And I truly believe, you know, her when she apologized to us and said she will not make that mistake again.

00:19:28.420 So with that said, she she's it's do or die for her. 0.97

00:19:34.100 And and I think she's going to do it just fine.

00:19:37.800 I think she's actually going to be a great leader for us.

00:19:40.340 With with the gun grab, she's obviously going to move forward on the situation with taking less power away or authority away from the RCMP.

00:19:53.180 And Saskatchewan's doing the same thing, too.

00:19:54.800 They're just doing it a little more quietly than Alberta is.

00:19:57.740 Alberta is just being a little more vocal about it.

00:19:59.840 So they're they're implementing new procedures and legislation or guidelines.

00:20:08.920 I guess you'd say for any person to come in and confiscate a firearm, they have to be licensed by the Alberta government.

00:20:16.360 And if the RCMP and the Liberal government truly had their way and they come in, confiscate firearms, they're only going to confiscate it from grandparents and people like me.

00:20:30.460 And again, that 92 percent crime or gang related violence increase is still going to go on just fine.

00:20:37.320 It's just they're going to be taking grandpa's guns away and they're going to be removing family heirlooms.

00:20:41.680 And this is what Danielle Smith is going to try and stop. 1.00

00:20:45.160 And so is Scott Moll.

00:20:46.780 I think they're on the right track and.

00:20:49.980 You know, just got to keep going that way.

00:20:52.040 They're definitely leading the way in that movement.

00:20:55.260 So I want to ask you how.

00:20:58.020 Now, I like her.

00:20:59.880 Terry Bryant, our our chief firearms officer.

00:21:04.040 We kicked out Justin Trudeau's here in Alberta and brought in our own, who is someone who actually knows something about firearms.

00:21:11.000 Is she symbolic or is she actually useful?

00:21:15.080 I can actually I'll answer that.

00:21:16.960 I talk to Terry.

00:21:17.700 I want to hear from both of you.

00:21:18.820 Yeah.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.340 Yeah.

00:21:19.880 I hear from Terry all the time and we're we're we're in contact all the time.

00:21:24.140 We actually we actually she she, you know, is in touch with us.

00:21:29.640 And no, she's not symbolic.

00:21:31.740 Terry has one of the biggest collection of Japanese firearms probably in North America.

00:21:37.820 She's a shooter. 1.00

00:21:38.620 She's a gun person and she is all about gun rights.

00:21:42.680 There's absolutely nothing symbolic there, in my opinion.

00:21:47.180 And I agree with Rick on that.

00:21:49.280 Terry, I've known Terry for a very long time through the Calgary gun shows.

00:21:53.900 I'm also the president of the Vermilion gun range.

00:21:57.120 So the Vermilion gun club and Terry has been down at our gun club and taking interest in our cowboy action shoot.

00:22:05.460 She's gotten involved with that.

00:22:07.180 She's come up with her new handle called Too Tall Trixie. 0.50

00:22:09.660 So, you know, Terry's just a genuine person.

00:22:14.420 She's she's amazing.

00:22:16.320 She's probably the best thing that's happened to us ever in this gun community throughout the whole country. 1.00

00:22:22.720 And at first, I know years ago, there was there were some ideas that appointing your own chief firearms officer is like appointing your own grim reaper or executioner.

00:22:37.100 And with Terry, that'll never happen.

00:22:40.880 She's she is genuine, like Rick said, and a real gun person.

00:22:45.500 And she's trying to do everything she can to make everything better for us in Alberta, you know, within the guidelines.

00:22:56.340 Like, I mean, she does live within a certain amount of guidelines and people have to understand that.

00:23:01.400 And she's always trying to find those ways around that.

00:23:05.040 Right.

00:23:05.240 So, yeah.

00:23:06.600 The reason I asked that question is that not because I feel that way.

00:23:10.020 It's because that is the criticism.

00:23:11.740 Right.

00:23:12.100 Is that, oh, well, she's just, you know, like you do, you threw out Justin Trudeau's, but you appointed your own.

00:23:17.440 But what can she really do?

00:23:19.280 But there is something to be said for somebody who truly understands the issues advocating for you and then grinding against Justin Trudeau's system from within.

00:23:29.680 It's sort of the Ron Swanson attitude of bring it all down from the inside by working within the machinery.

00:23:37.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:37.940 She's a great advocate. 0.56

00:23:39.120 Like, and her knowledge of firearms, you know, works to our advantage. 1.00

00:23:44.500 Right.

00:23:44.900 And her knowledge of this community, because she was involved with the Calgary community and Edmonton for years, long before me.

00:23:54.940 You know, I started coming into this scene in around 2013.

00:23:59.180 And, yeah, I mean, she's just a wealth of knowledge.

00:24:01.840 Right.

00:24:02.300 So.

00:24:02.660 Yeah.

00:24:02.840 And she gave unchallenged evidence at SECU.

00:24:06.580 Nobody challenged her at SECU.

00:24:07.880 Now, I want to ask you guys before I wrap up the interview, because, again, you guys are busy.

00:24:15.040 You guys have been very gracious with your time.

00:24:17.360 But I think one of the other issues that members of the firearms community have to be aware of is that while, especially here in Alberta and some of the other provinces across the country, we have provincial governments who are on our side.

00:24:34.060 Some of this stuff is going to come from municipal governments, municipal police forces might not have the same qualms of snatching their neighbor's property that our friends in the RCMP have or, you know, like these municipal bylaw gun laws that we've seen out of Toronto, where they're forcing gun ranges out of city limits.

00:24:58.220 Considering, you know, considering, you know, different storage regulations within their municipalities.

00:25:03.600 What can the gun rights community do to fight back against this sort of stuff?

00:25:07.820 I actually think it might be a little bit easier to fight back because you can move the needle in municipal politics with just, you know, door knocking and getting out a few hundred votes to get rid of your anti-gun councillor.

00:25:19.140 But I think people have to get involved and sort of put these things on their radar.

00:25:23.860 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:24.560 Get out and talk to your provincial people.

00:25:26.200 Get out to get out to talk to your provincial MPP.

00:25:28.960 Get out to talk to people at the local levels, the mayors, the Reeves, you know, the local directors.

00:25:36.400 Get out to talk, get out and speak to these people.

00:25:38.460 These are the people that go to these meetings and are supposed to be there to express the voice of the citizens.

00:25:45.960 So get out and talk to these people.

00:25:47.660 If they don't hear it, they're not going to do it.

00:25:50.220 You know, Toronto is a prime example right now.

00:25:52.700 The mayoral race is going on and, you know, the mayor makes a lot of decisions.

00:25:59.860 The mayor of Toronto is definitely politically motivated.

00:26:04.120 It's going to be a liberal mayor.

00:26:05.320 There's no doubt about that.

00:26:07.040 And even Doug Ford has still, you know, and I'm calling Doug Ford out again.

00:26:11.100 He still hasn't come on board with the other provinces and said, you know what, we're not going to use provincial resources to go out and seize these firearms.

00:26:18.960 I wish he would come out and say that, but he hasn't yet.

00:26:21.740 But at the end of the day, it's like you said, Sheila, it's going to come down to the municipalities.

00:26:26.420 And, you know, Ontario has the Ontario Provincial Police, which is the Ontario body, but there's also a lot of municipal police forces there.

00:26:35.340 And, you know what, that's where local government comes into play, you know, convince them not to let their, you know, waste resources on this ludicrous gun seizure.

00:26:46.540 And, you know, push the resources somewhere where they need to be, not taking personal property away from law-abiding Canadian citizens.

00:26:55.300 You know, that's a really great point.

00:26:57.660 I think Duane will probably have something to say about this.

00:26:59.900 But when you look at downtown Edmonton and downtown Calgary, and Danielle Smith is currently fighting to clean those places up through her new addictions and drug policies and deploying sheriffs to the downtown core. 1.00

00:27:14.440 You would think that Edmonton and Calgary City Police have better things to do, but we actually haven't heard all that much about them saying, you know what, we just don't want to expend resources on hassling gun owners.

00:27:27.140 We haven't really heard them yet.

00:27:28.500 No, we haven't heard that at all.

00:27:31.840 And to add to what Rick said, I'd say take it even further.

00:27:35.780 Don't just talk to your MLAs and MPs and things like that.

00:27:40.180 Get involved.

00:27:40.920 Join your EDA boards.

00:27:42.640 Get involved because this country is led by those who show up to the meetings.

00:27:46.840 And that's the problem we see in Edmonton, especially.

00:27:49.500 You look at that city.

00:27:51.040 I mean, there's a reason we call it Redmonton.

00:27:53.320 And I'm not shy to say it.

00:27:57.780 I consider them very uneducated on firearms and the culture that we are.

00:28:04.020 And they just automatically are brainwashed into believing what Trudeau and the NDP have been saying, that, you know, it's guns, it's guns, it's guns.

00:28:14.200 It's not.

00:28:14.800 It's gang-related violence.

00:28:16.880 So get involved in your EDAs.

00:28:18.940 Become a town councillor.

00:28:20.120 Even in the small town communities all throughout Alberta, you know, become a councillor.

00:28:26.480 It's the councillors.

00:28:27.800 It's not always just the mayor.

00:28:29.680 A lot of times it's the councillors and the mayor will break the tie in it, right?

00:28:33.620 You know, so become a councillor if you're in a small town.

00:28:36.660 Even Edmonton, like run for it.

00:28:38.780 Make a difference.

00:28:39.580 Because right now, the people that are involved in that are very misguided on what the real issue is.

00:28:50.260 And most of us out on the ground, we can see it plain as day, right?

00:28:55.180 And I think...

00:28:56.020 Sorry, go ahead.

00:28:56.560 I'm sorry, Sheila.

00:28:57.280 No, please go ahead.

00:28:57.760 Convince your local government, this is more than a firearms issue.

00:29:02.200 This is a personal property issue.

00:29:04.020 You know, approach them like that.

00:29:05.680 Tell them that this is about their personal property.

00:29:09.660 And, you know, I think that's where the misunderstanding is.

00:29:14.040 Everybody's focused on that narrow wall.

00:29:15.920 This is the gun, gun, bad, bad gun.

00:29:18.620 You know what?

00:29:18.980 This is more than that.

00:29:19.980 This is personal property.

00:29:20.880 And I think, you know, and that's what we do at the NFA.

00:29:23.960 We explain to people, this is more than just about your firearms.

00:29:28.160 This is about your personal property.

00:29:29.760 Property that you worked hard for to buy, pay taxes on, to support Canada.

00:29:34.460 And now they're coming and seize it.

00:29:35.620 I think the approach needs to be focused on personal property instead of just, you know, this liberal definition of a firearm.

00:29:45.880 And I'm also very eager to see how Danielle Smith's addictions treatment policies, where we have a recovery focused system here in Alberta, and we will come snatch you with a butterfly net if your family says you're violent and we're going to stick you in treatment, which is vastly different than what's happening in British Columbia. 0.91

00:30:06.460 And I'm interested to see the tie-in between what we're doing here to cut the gangs off from their customers by getting their customers clean, what that's going to do to alleviate the cycle of violent crime here in Alberta, because we know that there is just a vicious circle of gang violence, gun crime, addictions, and it just goes round and round and round.

00:30:31.140 So if we can at least intervene to break the addictions part of it, what impact that will have on the rest of it.

00:30:36.940 And luckily enough, we have a province right beside us who's doing something completely opposite by which we can measure ourselves.

00:30:45.180 Yeah, for sure.

00:30:46.340 You know, and that, you know, the way British Columbia is going is simply I can't believe they're doing what they're doing.

00:30:52.200 But you know what, if you want to give drug users more drugs to solve the problem, I can't understand the reasoning behind that.

00:31:01.420 But you're right, Sheila, you know, and you're right, the addiction part of it, you know, and that comes into play a lot because these drugs have to come from somewhere.

00:31:11.580 And, you know, it just, it goes down to, you know, clamp down, take this money that they want to spend, they want to spend with on firearm seizure, take it and shift it towards addiction, shift it towards the smuggling of these drugs coming over the border.

00:31:26.740 Yeah, you know, that's where the money needs to be spent.

00:31:29.380 But the liberals seem to be having a real part time understanding that and, you know, just their easy way out.

00:31:37.240 And this is, this is, this is liberal logic.

00:31:39.520 Again, you know, we'll take the easiest way out, you know, to give us the best benefit at the election.

00:31:44.860 So, you know, that, that it's a classic liberal thing again.

00:31:48.780 Well, they can't seem to understand that the same people trafficking in illegal drugs are the ones trafficking in illegal guns and making our community communities left safe.

00:31:57.680 They're the same people causing the social scourge.

00:32:00.860 And yet, as we've been saying since the beginning of this, they seem to be focusing on the three of us and our friends.

00:32:06.680 Absolutely, yeah.

00:32:08.100 Yeah, for sure.

00:32:08.860 You know, and that, and I don't think they're going to change direction.

00:32:12.260 I just, I just hope that the CPC continues in their direction.

00:32:17.340 And like I say, again, we need a no action.

00:32:21.420 Now, Dwayne, what are we up to in Alberta?

00:32:23.680 What is, what are you guys at the NFA doing these days?

00:32:31.300 Trying to get out everywhere.

00:32:32.880 I know.

00:32:33.320 I'm spread so, spread so thin.

00:32:35.820 I, you know, I apologize to everyone that I'm not everywhere I should be.

00:32:39.460 It's just hard to do that.

00:32:41.200 But like Rick said, it's about education.

00:32:44.000 It's about awareness.

00:32:45.880 And especially getting into the cities.

00:32:47.720 Like, like I find there's so many people that have a misconception of our gun culture and what it really is.

00:32:55.140 And, you know, I was corrected on it a couple of years ago by Terry Bryant as well.

00:33:00.460 And some of her employees about the amount of gun owners, rural versus urban.

00:33:10.560 And there's actually a lot of gun owners in Calgary and Edmonton as well.

00:33:15.680 And you got to remember, a lot of these people come from the country and they've moved to the cities to work for a living.

00:33:20.520 And they still come back out to the country and visit us.

00:33:24.900 Like, we have a lot of members now that are still from Edmonton.

00:33:28.260 They're originally from the Vermillion, Wainwright area.

00:33:30.880 But rural people are educated.

00:33:34.580 It really is the city people that we have to educate.

00:33:39.240 They're in their own little world, their little bubble there, where they do have so much gang-related and organized crime going on that they have to learn not to paint us with the same brush.

00:33:54.960 You know, we actually stand with them on getting rid of violence.

00:33:59.220 Like I said, anti-violence 365 is really what it should be.

00:34:04.420 You know, so we're trying to do what we can, try to get there.

00:34:08.340 Rick and I have talked about we did a few things with the NFA, always called on the road with the NFA, and we've got to get back to doing that.

00:34:15.500 We've been working more on going grassroots, again, in the NFA, getting off the world stage with the WFSA.

00:34:24.220 We found the WFSA is starting to really go, you know, cooperate a little bit with the governments over in Europe and things like that.

00:34:36.200 And they're just, they're not helping us anything at all here in North America.

00:34:40.940 So, grassroots, we've got to get out there, get to the ranges, get to the city events, and just keep plugging away at it and educate these people.

00:34:49.820 And unfortunately, mainstream media doesn't help us with that either.

00:34:52.860 They don't want to listen to us.

00:34:54.020 They don't want to get our voice out at all.

00:34:56.360 Here we are relying on you through The Rebel and other venues like you and other media organizations like The Rebel.

00:35:03.060 And that's our only way of getting our voice out.

00:35:06.480 But you look at us, we're not the people that are creating 92% gang-related violence, but we're the people that are losing our guns.

00:35:13.900 And those criminals don't lose their guns at all throughout this whole process.

00:35:18.260 So, even back to the gun grab, when they come and take grandpa's and grandma's guns away and the family heirlooms away, those gang-bangers are still going to have guns.

00:35:29.240 They buy them out of trunks of cars in dark back alleys, and they don't show up to Canadian Tire or Cabela's and providing their license to buy a firearm, right?

00:35:37.380 I was in Alberta this past weekend and spoke to a lot of people, and it started off, it was really interesting because I ended up having a conversation with two or three people, and it ended up being a 30 or 40-people roundtable.

00:35:50.780 Everybody, like I was in rural Alberta, but everybody is interested in rural Alberta and us educating these people and telling them what we're doing at the NFA and stuff.

00:36:03.220 And that's the other thing. It's information. Like Dwayne said, the Rebel, you know, pushes our stuff out there and helps us and gets the word out to the people that don't know.

00:36:13.700 But what I found was there was a lot of people out there, a lot of people out there that just didn't know that there was people out there like us trying to help them, which was good.

00:36:25.320 So, you know, I was glad, you know, I met with ranchers and farmers and townspeople and a few people from the city.

00:36:32.100 And, you know, it was great to get out there in Alberta and speak to these people because, man, it's a family sport.

00:36:39.400 You know, like you said, take people to the range, get them interested, and they'll see that it's a family sport.

00:36:46.620 It's a sport where you're probably running into some of the most kind people there is out there.

00:36:52.920 Everybody at the range, there's no hotheads. There's no, you know, everybody's kind.

00:36:56.960 Everybody speaks to each other. They, you know, they like being there.

00:37:00.120 They're there for the same reason. And it's a great, great group of people.

00:37:04.360 And like I say, what we're finding, there's a lot of people out there that don't know that there's groups like ours out there, you know, advocating for their rights.

00:37:12.300 And when they find out, like I say, people were joining left, right and center and saying, yeah, you know what, you guys, you're doing what you say you're doing.

00:37:20.060 We're going to help you do it. So I was really, I was, I was touched actually by talking, you know, speaking to some of these ranchers and farmers and townspeople and oil workers.

00:37:30.700 And, you know, I was, I was touched how passionate these people are in Alberta. I really, really was.

00:37:37.500 It's no surprise to me and Dwayne. That's okay.

00:37:42.060 I apologize for my internet cutting in and out. I know I lost you guys a couple of times. I might have missed a couple of questions.

00:37:48.020 No, it's good. I, I had the same internet troubles till Elon Musk invented the mighty Starlink.

00:37:54.700 Um, before I let you guys go, um, and it doesn't matter whichever one of you wants to take, um, this one, but, uh, how do people find the NFA, find out what you're doing?

00:38:05.540 And, uh, I think most importantly, get involved because not only are you advocates, but you're also bring legal challenges against the government as well.

00:38:14.240 Yeah. The best, the best way to find us is, uh, look us up at NFA.ca. That's our website.

00:38:19.300 Right. Please join, you know, the money goes towards the fight. Please join. Uh, we're also very strong on social media. We're on Facebook. We're on Twitter. We're on Instagram.

00:38:29.660 We're on all the platforms. We're pushing stuff out on YouTube. We're, uh, we're starting up our, uh, NFA talk again. We were down a bit, uh, we were down for a bit of time there, but we're going to be doing NFA talk.

00:38:40.480 Actually, I would like to cordially invite you to be on one of our NFA talks, Sheila.

00:38:45.160 Anytime.

00:38:46.140 And, uh, you know, and, uh, we'll, we'll, uh, you know, the best way to reach us is on our platforms. And like I say, join your, the money goes to a good cause and, uh, and, uh, it would really, really help the fight across Canada and folks, that's what it is. It's a fight right now. We're in a fight with the government to keep our personal property.

00:39:05.880 Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. And, um, we'll have you back on again, both of you very, very soon. And I think we're probably going to talk sooner than you think.

00:39:16.620 All right. Thanks, Sheila.

00:39:17.780 All right. Take care, Sheila.

00:39:18.980 Thanks guys.

00:39:26.820 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show where I invite your viewer feedback. You see, unlike the mainstream media, I actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News.

00:39:34.940 Not just on my show, but on all the shows. Because without you, there is no gun show. There is no Rebel News. Because we rely on you to support the work that we do.

00:39:47.280 Unlike the mainstream media who rely on Justin Trudeau forcibly confiscating money from people who don't want to watch mainstream media content and then taking that money to prop up unwatchable mainstream media content.

00:40:04.780 And that content so often attacks the very people who pay for it.

00:40:10.880 So, anyway, this is why I give out my email address right now. It's Sheila at RebelNews.com. Send me a letter. Let me know what you think about the show tonight.

00:40:19.860 But also, don't hesitate to leave a comment anywhere that you might be watching this. Perhaps you're watching the free version of the show on Rumble or YouTube. Leave a comment there. I just might go look in there for comments, too.

00:40:35.680 But today's comment is an email. And it comes from... Well, it's unsigned. Anyway, it's unsigned, but it doesn't matter. If people want to remain anonymous, that's fine by me.

00:40:51.320 And it's on last week's show with my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science, where Michelle injected some much-needed reality into the nonsensical debate that somehow forest fires are caused by your comfortable SUV at home, which definitely is not true.

00:41:09.520 There's a reason it's called fire season, and that's because it's a cyclical, seasonal thing.

00:41:16.040 Anyway, our letter writer writes,

00:41:19.740 Hi, SGR. That's David Menzies' fun name for me.

00:41:23.880 Your latest show with Michelle Sterling informing your listeners about the many global warming hypocrisies and how sinister China's CCP truly is should be front-page news and a wake-up call to Canadians.

00:41:36.560 You'd think. You'd think. But it doesn't quite fit the narrative.

00:41:39.540 And again, this goes to my whole point that if you are giving the media money, then the media, if they want more money, they're just going to say what the government wants them to say, either overtly or through a wink and a nod.

00:41:53.060 And so, since we're not funded by the government, we get to say whatever we honestly believe about the facts in front of us.

00:42:02.040 Our letter writer goes on.

00:42:05.260 I live in southern interior BC, but previously lived in Calgary for almost 10 years, and it boggles my mind how seemingly the majority of people here go along with the cult of global warming and COVID.

00:42:16.840 Some blindly, most albeit begrudgingly.

00:42:19.940 Yes, some are blind, but some just don't want the hassle of having to live in reality, right?

00:42:28.700 And if you live in reality, then certain choices stem from those realities, and sometimes those choices are hard, and sometimes those choices will make people not like you, even though you're making the right choice and making the right moral stand.

00:42:42.300 So a lot of people would just rather take the path of least resistance, or they just really want to be liked.

00:42:48.000 And I'd rather be hated for doing the right thing.

00:42:52.060 I just, I think I could sleep better.

00:42:54.400 Anyway, let's keep going.

00:42:55.680 The recent election of Daniel Smith's conservatives very seriously makes me consider moving back to Alberta.

00:43:02.640 For the love of God, I hope she stays true to the conservative base and doesn't suffer the same fate that other Alberta conservative premiers have since Ralph.

00:43:10.360 You know that's true.

00:43:12.180 Say what you will about Albertans.

00:43:13.980 Boy, we're prickly, and we don't stand for people becoming less conservative than they promised us they would be.

00:43:21.460 And so sometimes Albertans burn down the whole house because we don't like the color of the paint in the bathroom, so to speak.

00:43:31.740 But that's okay, because from the ashes of your burned down house, often you rebuild something much better.

00:43:38.240 Here in BC, we only have one BC conservative MLA, John Rustad, whom we talked to quite a bit here at Rebel News, who is the only dissenting voice in the legislature.

00:43:47.060 I truly hope the BC conservatives can make some progress in the next election.

00:43:51.860 Thanks for all your good work.

00:43:53.560 Well, thanks so much.

00:43:54.760 A very thoughtful letter.

00:43:55.880 Thank you.

00:43:56.300 If you are seriously considering moving to Alberta, I can't wait to see you here.

00:44:02.620 I think this is the best place on the face of the earth.

00:44:06.380 My ancestors also thought that, but my ancestors moved here for probably the same reason that many people today move here.

00:44:14.300 And that's because of our opportunity, our low cost of living, and our people who so deeply believe in freedom.

00:44:23.620 And despite the disappointing turnout for conservatives in the major municipalities, I think Daniel Smith has four years to do what Ron DeSantis did in Florida, and that is convince his skeptics that freedom is the right way.

00:44:39.380 So as you know, in Florida, it was basically a statistical rounding error four years ago that brought Ron DeSantis, the Republican governor there to power.

00:44:51.860 And then four years later, because of his strong stance for freedom, he was able to evangelize to those people, to teach them the good ways of being left alone, and also to show them that if you act fast, you can actually disprove your critics who say that if you do these things, the sky will fall.

00:45:11.420 You have to act fast so that you can prove to the people that, you know what, the sky didn't fall.

00:45:17.380 So I hope Danielle Smith doesn't hide her agenda, like Stephen Harper, and just moves fast and furiously to bring forward the things she wants to do, so that Albertans have time to experience the things she wants to do and realize that it's not the catastrophe the left would have you believe.

00:45:36.820 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:45:43.680 And as always, remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:46:06.820 Thank you.

00:46:17.680 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - June 07, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Feds plan to ram latest gun grab through the Senate before summer break

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