Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The fight in Ottawa for property rights and procedural fairness concerns us all

00:00:00.000 Right now in Ottawa there's a major court challenge for procedural fairness and property

00:00:06.580 rights taking place and you might not know about it if you get all your news from the mainstream

00:00:10.200 media but you're here. So that's probably not you. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Taking place over the last week or so in Ottawa has been one of the largest federal court challenges

00:00:40.660 in modern Canadian history. It's being brought by six parties including the Canadian Coalition for

00:00:47.120 Firearms Rights against the Liberal government and their May 2020 gun ban that was shoehorned

00:00:54.320 through outside of Parliament through an order in council. Through the stroke of a pen the Liberals

00:01:01.080 banned 1,500 models of Canadian shotguns and long guns. Now this court challenge that's taking place

00:01:10.540 in Ottawa right now is being live tweeted by my friend Tracy Wilson from the Canadian Coalition

00:01:16.760 for Firearms Rights but I should let you know that it has thus far cost the Canadian Coalition for

00:01:22.980 Firearms Rights 2 million dollars just to have their case heard. But it's costing Canadians a lot more

00:01:30.380 because according to Tracy and you'll hear it in the interview today that we recorded after she

00:01:35.480 finished the arduous process of live tweeting federal court. I've done it. I wouldn't wish it on my worst

00:01:42.220 enemy let alone my friend like Tracy Wilson but the government is throwing everything they can

00:01:49.660 at the six parties involved in the court challenge. Rooms full of federal lawyers to fight against

00:01:58.040 Canadians who simply reject the idea that they are responsible for the explosion of crime in Canada's

00:02:06.700 progressive cities. So joining me today in an interview like I said we recorded yesterday afternoon

00:02:13.580 after Tracy finished court is Tracy Wilson my friend from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights

00:02:20.840 to tell you not only why gun owners should be paying acute attention to what's happening in federal court

00:02:27.160 but why anybody who cares about property rights should care about their court challenge too. Take a listen.

00:02:34.420 So joining me now is my friend Tracy Wilson from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights. Tracy you've

00:02:48.160 been in court for the past few days fighting with the government tell us exactly what's happening there

00:02:54.020 right now. Okay so this is probably the largest federal court challenge in the history of the country for

00:03:00.900 gun owners and what's going on is back in May 2020 you'll remember the government decided on you know

00:03:07.520 on a whim using the backdrop of the Nova Scotia shooting to ban over 1500 models and variants of

00:03:14.520 firearms mostly semi-autos the AR-15 included. So they did this through an OIC an order in council

00:03:21.700 which for our American friends is similar to an executive order. It's basically avoids the entire

00:03:26.920 parliamentary procedure. There's no democracy. There's no vote. It just happens and that's it. So your only real

00:03:33.240 recourse to this. Well there's two to fight them in court which we're doing or an election which we're trying

00:03:39.540 for that as well. So there's six different parties that have sort of been lumped together under case

00:03:46.140 management. The CCFR is sort of the big lead case. There's a couple smaller cases underneath but you know all in all

00:03:53.620 we've all got the bases covered and we are challenging the federal government's ability to use an OIC in this

00:04:00.140 manner. Challenging their decision that these guns are no longer suitable or reasonable for hunting and

00:04:06.360 sporting purposes which we've been using them safely and without issue for 60 years in this country or

00:04:12.000 longer. And yeah I know for the first five days everybody's been following my live tweets which is

00:04:18.820 great. Thank you for everyone watching those. It's really sort of difficult because I'm doing it in

00:04:23.740 real time in the room but I'm hoping that it gives some perspective from inside the courtroom.

00:04:29.240 The problem with gun owners and conservatives is we all work so I recognize people can't sit and watch

00:04:34.060 the live stream. So you know this is a way that they can read this when they get home and you know see

00:04:40.460 what happened during the day. So over the first five days people have been commenting saying you know

00:04:46.180 it's going really well I really appreciate this. These are great arguments. I feel like it's going

00:04:51.220 in our favor. And then of course here we are on day six and it's like you know hitting a brick wall

00:04:56.340 because it's the first day that we're hearing from the government. So of course it seems like

00:05:01.620 everything is going splendidly when we're only listening to our side you know see a whole echo chamber

00:05:07.040 thing. So today the government had an opportunity to respond tomorrow as well. They'll be taking most of the

00:05:13.040 day tomorrow and their idea is of course just to kind of rapid fire try and you know eliminate all

00:05:21.840 of our arguments from all the various legal teams. So there's a whole bunch of disinformation a whole

00:05:28.240 bunch of sort of leading things to the judge. You know we were talking about people's inability to

00:05:35.300 file a section 74 challenge because of the way this was done which is something that you know the

00:05:41.480 average person could probably do with a very limited amount of legal advice. And the attorney

00:05:46.580 general's lawyer comes back and says well you know they could they can't do that but they can file a

00:05:51.740 judicial review. That's like a three to five year court battle. We're talking hundreds of thousands of

00:05:56.700 dollars. They know full well Canadians aren't going to be able to do that. So it felt like a huge slap in

00:06:02.140 the face when they said that today. And then one other little highlight I want to share was

00:06:07.500 it's funny I often talk in interviews about the social contract that gun owners have made with

00:06:13.640 the government. You know here in Canada we've got probably one of the strictest gun control regimes

00:06:19.180 in the world. There's a whole bunch of you know rules regulations and laws and we follow them

00:06:25.520 regardless of how ridiculous they are. And I feel like we've made a social contract with the government

00:06:30.060 where we've said okay fine we'll get the license we'll go through the training we'll store them

00:06:35.480 carefully. We'll follow all those rules. We'll transport them carefully. We'll follow every

00:06:40.580 single precaution and rule that's been set up over 30 or 40 years of gun control madness. But leave us

00:06:48.280 alone. And Solomon Friedman who's the lawyer in the Parker case good friend of I think everybody on our

00:06:56.600 side of the on our side of the table but really talented lawyer. And he made an argument the other day

00:07:03.680 in his submissions where he called it the bargain that we've made. And it's it's the same idea right

00:07:09.560 social contract bargain just different terms. And today the attorney general's the attorney general's

00:07:15.460 lawyer was almost appalled that we would even say that. And he stood in court and said there is no

00:07:22.440 bargain. There was no deal made with gun owners. I don't know where you're coming up with this.

00:07:27.280 There's no deal for you. And it just sort of made me think like I at this point you know I try my best

00:07:35.760 to be a really careful person and to obey the law and respect my country and respect authority. But

00:07:42.760 just him saying that really changes the way I think about my relationship with the government.

00:07:48.320 You know I've done everything you've asked of me and you just flat out said in court it's not enough.

00:07:53.920 There is no deal. It doesn't matter what you do. We're going to do whatever we want to you and

00:07:58.620 you're going to take it. That's a problem for me. Right. Yeah. Yeah it sure is. And you know there's

00:08:04.420 one thing that you missed in all that. As gun owners every single day we submit ourselves to a

00:08:09.100 background check. Yeah. Whether you want to or not. It's some it's very invasive to become a gun owner

00:08:15.360 in this country. You are sacrificing your privacy to the government. And you know and you are knowingly

00:08:24.940 the day you get that gun license you know you will be scapegoated going forward by the government for

00:08:31.020 the failings that they have committed and their progressive policies in places like Toronto and

00:08:36.680 Vancouver and Montreal and their failings to address gun trafficking at the border that you know.

00:08:42.620 You know because it's what always happens that they will come after you. And then for them to stand

00:08:47.420 up in court and say well there's no I mean you know we you submitted yourself to all these things

00:08:54.360 and we don't have to do anything. We can actually do whatever we want. That's basically what we're

00:08:59.460 saying. Well yeah and part of the you know there's there's about seven different legal arguments to our

00:09:05.480 challenge. And one of them is it says right in the law that a gun cannot be deemed prohibited or

00:09:12.320 restricted if it is reasonable for hunting or sporting use right. So you know that that's sort

00:09:18.040 of like a protection for gun owners that they're not going to come along one day and ban all your

00:09:21.600 stuff. Well here we are they've been probably half of it. And the attorney general's lawyer stood up

00:09:28.440 today and said you know well the only thing that determines whether you know the reasonableness

00:09:35.340 of a firearm is the GIC's opinion. The governor and council's opinion. So what if they decide that

00:09:44.540 no guns are reasonable for hunting? You can hunt with a bow or a stick or just don't hunt. I don't

00:09:51.980 know. Like they're just seem they seem to believe that there is no limitation on their powers. There's

00:09:57.060 no checks and balances and there's no recourse for gun owners. So you know I'll be interested to see 0.83

00:10:03.060 what comes out tomorrow in the rest of their argument. And then of course we'll have closing

00:10:08.320 arguments. We get half a day for six teams to go forward. So they'll have to be very limited in the

00:10:14.940 scope of their sort of their final you know argument back and forth with the government. And then the

00:10:21.300 judge will go away for probably several months and mull over everything all the evidence all the

00:10:27.140 testimony all the cross-examinations everything that's been presented over the eight days of the

00:10:32.440 hearing and then come back with a decision. So it's it's been a long time coming. It's been years

00:10:38.700 in the making millions of dollars of expense. And just to see the flippant attitude from the you know

00:10:45.820 the massive legal team. This is something else you'll find interesting. I don't want to take too

00:10:50.680 much time. No but I'm so I'm sitting in this courtroom. It is a federal court but it's being heard in the

00:10:57.020 Supreme Court of Canada building because they have a larger courtroom. So we've already had to move to a

00:11:02.300 fairly substantial size courtroom. And I'm sitting at the very back. I'm sitting with self-rep Christine

00:11:07.160 Jenneru who's absolutely nailing it by the way. But I'm sitting at her table in the back because I'm

00:11:12.880 I'm not an applicant. The CCFR is in Rod Giltaka and a number of other people. But that's why I'm

00:11:18.740 able to go and live tweet because I'm not actually involved in the case itself. So the room's divided in

00:11:24.720 two halves. And on one half, you've got a number of rows of tables and chairs. And that is to

00:11:31.080 accommodate all six legal teams. So all six, like we've all got our own lawyers to argue our own

00:11:38.240 arguments. And then the other whole half of the courtroom is the government's lawyers. And there's

00:11:43.500 three chairs per table. I noticed this morning when I went in on the government side, they've had

00:11:48.340 to increase it to four chairs per table and it's full. So you've got, you know, it's like the David

00:11:54.740 and Goliath, right? A whole bunch of little Davids over here that make up, you know, less than half the

00:11:59.700 courtroom. And then this massive team of taxpayer funded lawyers who are there with this flippant

00:12:06.900 attitude. Like there's no deal for you. It doesn't matter if you follow the laws where we can take

00:12:12.680 whatever we want from you. And what I want Canadians out there listening to this, even if you're not a gun

00:12:18.040 owner, you should keep an eye on this case because this will be a determinant on the question. Can

00:12:25.540 the government walk into your life, even though you've done nothing to deserve it and take your

00:12:31.000 legally acquired property without doing anything to warrant such an action? Can the government do

00:12:37.820 that to you? And if the answer is yes, I think we've got some problems. So I would look forward to a

00:12:44.240 change in government and, you know, maybe enshrining some kind of property rights in our

00:12:48.820 constitution because this is our charter, because this is very, very concerning just as an average

00:12:54.800 Canadian. It sounds a lot like the Public Order Emergency Commission where it's just nothing but 0.92

00:13:00.140 government lawyers. Yeah. And, you know, all the other people, the interveners, the people who are

00:13:06.020 invested in it, you know, you only get two minutes or three minutes. Yeah. Because you're all lumped

00:13:11.700 together and you don't get an equal say up against this behemoth of the government. And kudos to you

00:13:16.980 for live tweeting. I live tweet court cases all the time. And it is intellectually exhausting because

00:13:22.220 you're paying attention to what they're saying, but tweeting what they just said. And you're trying

00:13:26.340 to be as accurate and verbatim as possible. So thank you for taking the time. I want to ask you

00:13:33.780 about some of the other cases, because you said there are sort of a bunch of you

00:13:38.420 lumped together, thanks to case management with the, which the government gets the benefit of.

00:13:43.980 Yes. Who else is there with you? So we've got Solomon Friedman. He's, he's in charge of the

00:13:50.480 Parker case. So Cassandra Parker, who is, I believe, an Alberta woman. Her and her husband owned a firearms

00:13:57.220 business. Of course, they've since gone under. No wonder in this environment. Right. But really nice

00:14:03.260 lady from Alberta. Um, there's a, the Eichenberg case, which has a number of different, uh, applicants

00:14:09.280 on it. I believe, I believe the Ontario landowners association is sort of involved with one of them.

00:14:15.660 Um, Ed Berloo is there, um, uh, doing arguments for the, uh, Hipwell case. John Hipwell is the retired,

00:14:24.400 you know, original owner of Wolverine supplies. He's actually an applicant on our challenge. Um,

00:14:30.060 but he's representing him as a business owner. Um, Alberta's there intervening, which is wonderful.

00:14:36.200 God bless Alberta. I always say, so thank you for that. And then we have our huge, uh, legal team. 1.00

00:14:42.560 We probably got the biggest legal team. Um, JSS out of Alberta who, of course, yeah, they're much work

00:14:49.240 for us. They're like experts in their field and, uh, yeah, they've just been, just been stealing the

00:14:56.320 show. But yeah, um, our, our, our Katie Bouchelev has been doing a fantastic job. Solomon Friedman,

00:15:02.880 you know, I don't want to single anybody out, but they've been doing a really good job with an

00:15:06.940 extremely difficult case. Um, but yeah, I feel bad. I will tweet out all six case numbers and,

00:15:14.720 and, and names so everybody can get them. I can't remember them offhand, but you know,

00:15:19.660 there's a lot of similar arguments, but everybody's sort of tackling it from a different direction,

00:15:24.160 which, you know, it's not one of those things where you throw the spaghetti at the wall and see

00:15:28.320 what sticks. But at the same time, you don't want to go too narrow in scope because there's different

00:15:33.180 areas of law, administrative, you know, whatever, charter challenges that the, that the judge may

00:15:39.560 take a different opinion to. So that's why we've approached it in this way with various different,

00:15:44.240 um, parts of the challenge. I'm so happy to hear that you have JSS on your side. They are such

00:15:49.940 great lawyers. They do so much great work for, um, us here at rebel news, but also through the

00:15:55.700 democracy funder, the civil liberties side of the business. I wanted to ask you because you,

00:16:00.600 you know, you sort of mentioned property rights there and, and, uh, you know, people being under

00:16:05.460 attack for something they didn't do. I actually heard somebody describe it as, um, you know, if,

00:16:11.560 if a car stolen in Toronto, a black car stolen in Toronto, runs somebody over and then you wake up

00:16:18.500 in the morning and the government has outlawed your black pickup truck in Alberta. That's what

00:16:22.800 it's like to be a gun owner these days. Oh yeah. But, um, all of this, as you pointed out in the

00:16:29.580 beginning, stems from the Nova Scotia mass casualty shooting. The liberals sort of seized upon that as

00:16:38.440 their moment to do the thing that we know liberals always want to do. And that is take, uh, guns from

00:16:43.980 law abiding Canadian gun owners. I wanted to ask you a little bit about the mass casualty

00:16:48.300 commission report because it just came out and, um, you have, um, on the CCFR website, you on

00:16:57.200 firearms rights.ca, you've got the casualty commission report linked there, but can you give

00:17:02.660 us sort of a breakdown of what, what that means for gun owners, what sort of things they were

00:17:08.060 throwing our way? Yeah. So this was depressing. As you know, we hold, uh, we held a seat on the

00:17:15.860 commission itself as a participant, Rod Giltaka, our CEO and executive director, uh, went, did multiple

00:17:21.840 presentations and he was tasked with the job of looking at the issue of access to firearms. Now,

00:17:28.820 of course, the perpetrator in this horrific crime, which by the way, was three years ago today,

00:17:34.000 um, uh, obtained all his firearms illegally. He had, I believe four firearms, three, he smuggled

00:17:40.980 illegally, um, from the United States with his, you know, with his easy access nexus card, just drove

00:17:46.920 right across the border without any questions. And then the fourth gun, he, um, he did source it in

00:17:53.840 Canada illegally through, um, a bequeathing. So in any event, he had these guns, uh, they, the police knew

00:18:02.000 he had these guns. There were 16 times that the police, um, were advised that there was illegal

00:18:07.400 guns in his home. Not only did they do nothing about it, but, um, some, or at least one of the

00:18:13.260 RCMP officers befriended him, became buddies with them. He had replica police cars, uniforms,

00:18:19.340 he had everything. So, you know, I, I have often said, and Rod says the same, that the most effective

00:18:26.240 weapon that that perpetrator had was his car, right? Usually when you are in trouble or you need

00:18:32.320 help, you would look to a police officer. So when he's pulling somebody over, you would think, oh,

00:18:37.900 thank God the police can help me. And it's not the police. I can't even imagine the tear of that,

00:18:43.800 but in any event, so this public inquiry, uh, which the liberals fought in the first place,

00:18:50.180 the families demanded it. Bill Blair denied them that opportunity. And after huge backlash,

00:18:55.020 he eventually had to give it. And so they assembled this commission, put a couple of, uh, retired judges

00:19:00.980 and cops on the, uh, on the commission went forth and, you know, two years and probably $25 million

00:19:08.140 later, we've got this report. And now there's a number of measures in there as far as police response

00:19:15.100 or how, you know, notifying the public that there's some sort of emergency going on. That was all a

00:19:20.060 complete failure through that whole two day horrific event. Um, and you know, most of those

00:19:26.500 where we of course support, I mean, yeah, of course you have to let people know. And the police,

00:19:31.380 of course, this is not, this is an outlier. These things generally don't happen in Canada.

00:19:36.740 So I understand. So shocking. Yes. So shocking. These things don't happen here.

00:19:41.700 Right. So I understand that, you know, how confusing it was. He was very, um, easily able to

00:19:48.420 hide from the police because he was disguised as one, you know, working in a rural area,

00:19:53.340 back roads. Like I get it. I'm not oblivious to the difficulties that law enforcement face at the

00:19:59.440 same time. You know, there's a lot we can learn there. So those kinds of things we support.

00:20:03.460 But of course there was a number of gun control measures that they suggested or, or, uh, promoting

00:20:10.400 with this report, which to me, you know, as somebody who's sort of been really following this,

00:20:18.120 working on it, you know, Rod's been, you know, I've been working with Rod on his stuff to find out

00:20:23.760 that this is once again, used for gun control, knowing that that perpetrator was not a licensed

00:20:29.020 gun owner. He had no relationship with the firearms community in Canada. He didn't acquire his guns

00:20:33.960 legally. There is no gun control or further law that would have prevented what happened. And that's

00:20:41.000 the idea here. We want to prevent this from ever happening again. Right. So of course they put

00:20:45.520 forward that they support, you know, a full ban on basically all semi-autos, um, handguns, which right

00:20:52.660 now are frozen, but not technically, uh, banned from ownership. Um, magazine restrictions. They had a

00:21:00.440 whole bunch of stuff in there. And to me, it read like the Polly Susuvian wishlist, right? 0.98

00:21:07.360 Which, you know, oddly enough there, they also, um, you know, didn't submit any sort of affidavits

00:21:13.100 or any evidence in our court challenge. And I have a feeling because, because they probably are the

00:21:18.860 evidence, right. But in any event, um, yeah, it's sort of read like a, a, a gun prohibitionist

00:21:26.220 dream. Right. And at the same time, you've got the lawyer that's representing the families of the

00:21:31.920 victims. So don't forget for every victim that is taken, there's an entire family left grieving

00:21:37.020 and horrified and forever changed because of what's happened. And the lawyer comes out, uh,

00:21:44.500 that represents these families and says, he can't believe that this has been used as an opportunity

00:21:49.080 to promote liberal gun control. And of course they, they wholly rejected. I mean, again, this is a rural

00:21:55.940 area. Most of the families are gun owners, right? Right. And it's just, to me, it's just, it's,

00:22:03.720 it's hard to maintain faith in our institutions, our systems and the framework of our society

00:22:10.280 when it seems like, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it almost feels like the

00:22:16.860 fixes in on everything, no matter what we do, no matter what kind of evidence or science or data is

00:22:23.820 put in front of these people, they just jumped to their preconceived conclusion every time, no matter

00:22:29.580 what. And that's, that's the story of the last three years. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I find it

00:22:39.240 disappointing and I, I feel that, um, it's a huge abuse and further assault on the families of the

00:22:48.880 victims who were probably, you know, they probably, there's a lot of measures in there they'd support,

00:22:53.580 but of course, all of that good work, you know, working on, on, um, you know, new policies for law

00:22:59.560 enforcement, working on new policies for alerting the public that there's some kind of crazy danger

00:23:04.760 going on. Those things have all been overshadowed because of course, now they're talking about gun

00:23:09.400 bans again. And it's just, it just feels like if we never get out of this crazy circle that we are

00:23:16.880 constantly in, we're never going to come up with credible solutions to make a safer country. So I

00:23:24.180 don't, I don't know. Maybe that's, maybe that's not the goal that other people have, but that is my

00:23:28.780 goal. Yeah. I don't think turning Canada into Chicago, which is a gun-free zone is helpful to 0.98

00:23:35.980 anybody. And I can't imagine the heartbreak of these families who, um, they want answers. They

00:23:41.400 want answers and, and policies that make people safer, but their loved one has become just another

00:23:49.600 vehicle for a liberal policy item to get checked off the list. I mean, some of this stuff is a lot of

00:23:56.780 innocent until, or guilty until proven innocent. Oh yeah. Things like if, if you're charged with

00:24:02.640 something and your charges are stayed dropped, you beat the charges. Maybe it wasn't even you

00:24:07.260 mistaken identity, but it doesn't matter because now you have to prove that you didn't do anything

00:24:12.520 wrong. Even though somebody already said you didn't do anything wrong to get your pal back.

00:24:16.980 That's impossible. Yeah. It's impossible to prove a negative. How do you prove something didn't

00:24:21.100 happen when it didn't happen? It's, I don't know. It just, it feels like we're in upside down world

00:24:27.580 every single day. I almost dread getting up and coming down to make a coffee and flicking on the

00:24:32.420 news because it's just, you know, it's a complete clown show and it doesn't have to be this way.

00:24:38.240 I don't know. Maybe I'm a little naive. I feel like it wasn't always this way, but it's, yeah,

00:24:43.640 it just, it feels a little, a little out of control. And, um, I just sort of miss when we could sit down as a

00:24:49.480 country, even if we're on different sides of a debate and at least find common ground, I feel

00:24:54.040 like that's gone. There is no common ground. Yeah. It used to be that the people with whom

00:25:00.280 we disagreed, we didn't think they were evil. We just thought they were wrong. And I think that has

00:25:05.800 shifted drastically for sure in the last five or six years where, um, the liberals have taken to

00:25:12.560 dehumanizing and, um, demonizing their opponents that, you know, if you, if you have a different

00:25:18.840 viewpoint on COVID, then you're just a grandma killer. If you think, well, maybe, maybe we should, 0.91

00:25:23.680 maybe we should be worrying about the gangs and not the duck hunters, then you don't care about

00:25:28.000 the people who die. Um, I mean, it, it's, I, I don't know. I don't know how we undo this. I think

00:25:35.700 there's a lot of healing to be done. And it's actually the opposite. Like they're, they're saying,

00:25:41.100 you know, if you don't support gun bans, um, for all these crimes that are happening, these,

00:25:46.640 you know, daily shootings in Toronto or horrific crimes, like the Nova Scotia shooting, you know,

00:25:51.720 then you, you know, you're, you don't promote public safety, but it's actually the opposite.

00:25:57.020 Like the fact that you're using those things at the same time, you know, banning guns from licensed

00:26:02.980 firearms owners for the crimes committed in the violent streets of Toronto, while at the same time,

00:26:07.860 um, lowering sentencing and easing up on bail conditions for repeat violent offenders

00:26:13.800 is crazy town, right? Like it's, it's the opposite of public safety. And, you know, I don't know, I,

00:26:22.140 I can't imagine that it would be intentional, but these, these are not stupid people. And the people

00:26:28.780 behind the scenes who are putting forward these policies and crafting this legislation for them

00:26:34.360 are not stupid either. So what is it, you know?

00:26:38.180 Yeah. It's, it's where all my conspiracy theory hackles go up where, you know, if, if it were just

00:26:46.360 about them and us having a different viewpoint on what public, how to achieve the same public safety

00:26:52.940 goals, but when they are, as you say, lowering the sentences for violent crimes, um, then it's really

00:27:00.380 not about public safety, is it really about disarming the population and, and then, you know,

00:27:09.800 who knows what they want to do after that. Now you mentioned, I don't want to take up too much of

00:27:13.940 your time because you were in court all day. It is very, very exhausting. I, I, I relate. Um, but

00:27:20.020 please, you mentioned that you are in the, uh, a David and Goliath battle for people just like me

00:27:25.660 who can't be in court. Um, so tell us how the public can support the very important work that

00:27:32.300 you're doing to hold the government to account and protect property rights for Canadians, because

00:27:37.700 that's really what this comes down to. Um, it's guns today. It could be anything the government

00:27:43.560 decides you don't need tomorrow. Um, tell us how people can get involved and please plug your merch

00:27:49.620 store. You guys have the best merch. Yeah. It's time for a new hoodie for you, by the way.

00:27:54.920 No, I know. Yeah. So if you visit, uh, ccfr.ca, uh, you can find our website there and there's a

00:28:01.700 button right at the top where you can donate to the legal fund. If you're, and, and then I want

00:28:06.360 people to understand this is not the CCFR's court challenge. It's the every Canadian's court challenge

00:28:11.740 because this is for everybody and for property rights. Um, and you're right. We are the canary in

00:28:16.520 the coal mine. If they can take my guns today, they're going to take your SUV or pickup truck

00:28:20.420 tomorrow and who knows what else the day after. Right. Um, emergency it's right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:27.200 Yeah. For the greater good is probably one of the most evil, um, phrases on earth. But, um, and then

00:28:33.680 because we feel that this is everybody's court challenge, we also have been sharing all the

00:28:38.400 documentation, everything, like we've put everything public and you can find that on propertyjustice.ca.

00:28:44.380 So it's a huge repository of all the information. You can read the arguments, cross-examinations,

00:28:50.040 transcripts. Of course, the hearing transcripts will be up there, but it'd probably take a few

00:28:54.080 weeks after the hearing. Um, but we put all that public. And then of course on ccfr.ca,

00:29:00.080 you can hit the, uh, the store button and head over to the CCFR store. Any way you can help us out at all

00:29:07.000 is a huge help because at the end of the day, we can't do any of this if people aren't there

00:29:11.860 supporting us. And people have been great, but even this hearing alone is probably, oh, I don't

00:29:17.040 know, $150,000. Like we're just, we're bleeding money. Right. So yeah. Yeah. Great lawyers cost

00:29:25.440 money. You get what you pay for when it comes to lawyers and you guys have some. Definitely do.

00:29:29.520 Yeah. Yes. They're great. Tracy, thanks so much for taking the time. Thank you so much for the

00:29:34.660 advocacy you do for just the normal people who want to be left alone by the government. That's all we ever

00:29:40.160 asked for. That's the goal. Speaking. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so thank you so much. Uh, say hi to Rod. Um,

00:29:47.260 I will. For you guys in court. Um, and, uh, I'll have you back on again very, very soon.

00:29:52.180 It was really good to see you. You too.

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00:30:44.240 cruising around the country on a very tight and grueling travel schedule, filming our new

00:30:52.060 documentary. It's called Church Under Fire, Canada's War on Christianity. And it details the

00:30:59.100 attacks on the brave pastors who resisted the lockdowns. And you can learn more about it at

00:31:05.820 savethechristians.com. And now on that show, Cheryl L or Cheryl L writes, what happened to the church

00:31:15.260 in Aylmer that was an attack by the LGBT group? I think you mean the Church of God in Aylmer,

00:31:20.540 Ontario, and that is pastored by Henry Hildebrand.

00:31:25.160 I watched the group start on Facebook and grow with the purpose of stopping churches from opening

00:31:30.400 and serving on the streets. That pastor had made enemies within his own small town from people who

00:31:35.460 maybe were once members of his church, but went to the gay community. I don't know if that's true

00:31:40.220 or not, but there were attempts made to divide Pastor Henry from his community after

00:31:48.820 so long in building and forming relationships and trust. I think that's really going to be some of

00:31:58.480 the hardest damage to repair within Canada is where pastors who had built so much trust and goodwill in

00:32:12.140 their communities, certain people were willing to throw everything they knew about those pastors and

00:32:17.560 those congregations out the door simply because the government told them to. Anyway, let's keep

00:32:24.060 going. The hatred they had for him was poisonous. Every time they found out that he was going to be

00:32:28.320 open for services, Facebook alerted the activists to be there to protest. I can't wait to see the full

00:32:33.000 documentary. So I should let you know, we did head out to Aylmer, Ontario. We flew out from Alberta

00:32:39.340 last week, although I'm losing track of all the traveling because it's been a lot.

00:32:44.260 And we met with Pastor Henry to hear his story and to go around Aylmer and just to see what was

00:32:53.380 allowed to be open while the church was closed and to hear about the impact that it had on him

00:32:59.740 and his congregation, him personally, his family personally, and the people who consider the church

00:33:07.120 of God, their family. Now, I should tell you, if you want exclusive access to the behind the scenes

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00:33:58.260 side of the story. The story that the government wants you to forget and the mainstream media

00:34:04.720 never told. That's at savethechristians.com. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:34:12.180 Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next

00:34:16.160 week. Jesse, my producer, thank you so much for bearing with me as I dealt with just absolute

00:34:22.120 technical catastrophes today, but I'm doing my best to be a good sport and I hope you are too, Jesse.

00:34:28.060 Anyways, as I always say at the end of every show, don't let the government tell you that you've

00:34:33.420 had too much to think.

00:35:03.420 Thank you.

00:35:04.580 Thank you.

00:35:04.620 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - April 19, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The fight in Ottawa for property rights and procedural fairness concerns us all

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