Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Gunn Show – LIVE from Universal Ostrich Farms

00:00:00.000 I'm on my way home from Edgewood, B.C. at the Battle of the Birds.

00:00:04.380 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:23.740 For those of you who have been following Rebel News for the last few days,

00:00:27.560 you will know that myself and my Rebel News colleague, Draya Humphrey,

00:00:32.740 have been in Edgewood, B.C., where we are covering the attempts by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency

00:00:39.800 to euthanize, exterminate, murder, I guess, 400 otherwise healthy ostriches at Universal Ostrich Farms.

00:00:50.880 Now, the crime that these birds have committed while they were exposed to avian flu,

00:00:56.520 some 254 days ago, but they appear to be healthy

00:01:01.520 and they are potentially the victims of a stamping out policy of the CFIA.

00:01:11.060 If a bird has been exposed to avian flu, they just kill it.

00:01:14.560 They don't care about natural immunity 0.96

00:01:16.540 and they don't care that these birds are used in research for diseases like COVID-19

00:01:24.480 and potentially avian flu.

00:01:27.080 Now, some 9 million birds have already been culled because of exposure to avian flu.

00:01:32.840 The antibodies these birds carry could potentially put an end to mass culling

00:01:38.300 if they can develop a therapy or a cure for avian flu.

00:01:43.300 But the CFIA is hell-bent on exterminating these birds.

00:01:48.300 Now, today, it's Wednesday, the birds were granted a stay of execution

00:01:55.300 while lawyers seek leave to have the Supreme Court hear arguments.

00:02:01.300 And I have to tell you something else.

00:02:05.300 In almost 10 years of hosting The Gun Show, I have never missed an episode.

00:02:12.300 No matter what.

00:02:13.300 No matter if I've been sick.

00:02:15.300 No matter if I've been traveling.

00:02:17.300 No matter if I did the rare thing of taking some time off from Rebel News,

00:02:21.300 which happens almost never.

00:02:23.300 But I have always either recorded a show or pre-recorded a show

00:02:27.300 because you subscribers, you are near and dear to me.

00:02:32.300 Because you have invested in me.

00:02:34.300 And so, I owe you something.

00:02:36.300 But I was unable to record a show today specifically for you.

00:02:43.300 So, I hate the fact that those CFIA bird murderers might be the reason

00:02:50.300 that I don't produce a gun show this week.

00:02:53.300 So, I am going to show you a live stream from earlier today

00:02:56.300 with my friend Lise Merle and Viva Frye

00:02:59.300 wherein we discussed what exactly was happening at Universal Ostrich Farms.

00:03:04.300 You can actually catch yourself up at SaveTheOstriches.com

00:03:08.300 and share that with your friends so they know exactly what's going on there.

00:03:11.300 And I want to show you that in lieu of a recorded gun show.

00:03:15.300 And then I'll give you an extra show.

00:03:21.300 Let's make a deal.

00:03:22.300 I'll give you an extra show.

00:03:24.300 You watch this live stream.

00:03:25.300 Catch yourself up while I wait for the next ferry, my second today,

00:03:30.300 at Galena Bay, just south of Revelstoke.

00:03:33.300 I think I have another nine hour drive ahead of me.

00:03:36.300 But I am scheduling a guest to record a show.

00:03:40.300 Tomorrow is Thursday, Thursday morning, so that you'll have extra content from me on Friday.

00:03:46.300 I must meet my obligations to you.

00:03:49.300 And I'll be damned if those bird murderers at the CFIA are the reason that I don't. 0.99

00:03:54.300 So, take a listen to our live stream from earlier today at Universal Ostrich Farms.

00:04:01.300 Hey, good morning, everybody, or afternoon, depending on which part of, well, the continent that you're in.

00:04:15.300 I'm Sheila Gunnery.

00:04:16.300 I'm live at Universal Ostrich Farms, and I'm joined by my regular Wednesday co-host on the live stream here today,

00:04:23.300 Lee Smurl, and also a special guest.

00:04:25.300 And I just thank him so much for filling in for me, but also bringing his legal expertise into the mix here.

00:04:33.300 Our friend, Viva Frye.

00:04:35.300 Viva, thanks so much for doing this.

00:04:37.300 My pleasure.

00:04:38.300 And, yeah, this needs to be put on at the biggest blast humanly possible.

00:04:44.300 And remember the names of those who did and said nothing when they had the power to say and do something.

00:04:50.300 Absolutely.

00:04:51.300 I'll quickly recap what we're doing here right now.

00:04:55.300 I am the regular co-host of the live stream on Wednesdays.

00:04:59.300 We are streaming right now from, well, across the continent.

00:05:04.300 Viva, I think you're in Florida.

00:05:06.300 Lisa's in Regina, Saskatchewan.

00:05:08.300 I am in Edgewood, British Columbia, because I am covering the battle for the birds at Universal Ostrich Farms.

00:05:17.300 400 otherwise healthy birds exposed to avian flu 254 days ago.

00:05:23.300 The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has a mandatory cull order for the entire flock, and they're doing that without testing.

00:05:33.300 And today there was a stay of execution granted for these birds.

00:05:40.300 It's just been a wild 24 hours.

00:05:42.300 We'll get into that.

00:05:43.300 I'll tell everybody how they can get involved in this show, though.

00:05:46.300 If you're watching us on YouTube, leave us a super chat.

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00:06:02.300 Support our work.

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00:06:08.300 It's called the Rumble Rant over there.

00:06:10.300 Same rules apply.

00:06:12.300 But with that, I guess I'll defer to you two, because I haven't really even seen the show, the run of the show.

00:06:20.300 I literally, we got the news.

00:06:23.300 I ran back, got my tripod, and here I am.

00:06:27.300 I can, Sheila, I presume you've seen the order.

00:06:32.300 It's a very short order.

00:06:33.300 Yeah, go through it, please.

00:06:35.300 Stay of execution, pun intended.

00:06:38.300 My understanding is that they're petitioning for leave to the Supreme Court, and they're asking for a stay before the Supreme Court can determine whether or not they take the case up to the Supreme Court.

00:06:49.300 And if it's not to be moot, if they kill the ostriches before the Supreme Court even decides on whether or not to take it up, the damage is done.

00:06:57.300 And then it's going to be a question of compensation as opposed to preventing irreparable harm.

00:07:02.300 So it's a very short, but my understanding is a very short stay pending determination as to whether or not leave to the Supreme Court will be granted.

00:07:10.300 And that's in the interim in which everybody has to put the absolute most political pressure on everybody who can say something, can do something, and as of yet has not yet done anything.

00:07:21.300 And I'm thinking of a few names in particular.

00:07:23.300 One.

00:07:24.300 Yeah.

00:07:25.300 Yeah.

00:07:26.300 So, Viva, this is a very, very temporary reprieve for the ostrich farmers in BC. 0.67

00:07:35.300 Are we hearing this right?

00:07:37.300 My understanding is like a matter of days until they determine whether or not the Supreme Court takes up the case, which itself is, they take up like a fraction of the request that they get in any given year.

00:07:48.300 So, we'll see.

00:07:50.300 I mean, that's, that's, it's a stay until they decide whether or not they take it up.

00:07:53.300 And then if they decide to take it up, I presume they're going to have to logically grant an extended stay, because again, determining the issue as to whether or not the kill is scientifically, rationally justified, and whether or not the CFIA's order, which is now damn near a year old, makes sense.

00:08:08.300 It makes no sense adjudicating that after the final kill has been carried out.

00:08:12.300 So, it's a couple of days, I don't know the exact timeframe, and I'm going to try to get the attorney, Katie's attorney, Umar Sheik on at some point sooner than later, but very short couple of days, and it's not a time to rejoice and go home.

00:08:25.300 It's a time to now put the pressure on everybody, exploit every venue.

00:08:29.300 I might get into it, but like, you know, indigenous tribes now are making the claim that this is unceded.

00:08:34.300 They can't kill the ostriches. 1.00

00:08:36.300 Work that angle, because it's a very logical one, hold them to their own standards.

00:08:39.300 But it's not a time to celebrate, it's just maybe a time to put more pressure.

00:08:44.300 Yeah, and it's, I guess I'll get into the crazy 24 hours that it has been at the farm.

00:08:50.300 But at any given moment, news can happen here, and you might have to see me run away.

00:08:59.300 But you are right that the Conservatives have been a little too quiet on this issue.

00:09:08.300 Viva, I don't know how much you know about Western Canadian farming, but I know a fair bit as a farmer.

00:09:15.300 And I'm old enough to remember when the Conservative Party of Canada under Stephen Harper and the, it was at the time, the Progressive Conservative Party here in Alberta, it's now something much better as the United Conservatives.

00:09:29.300 They stood with four Western Canadian farmers who were jailed in an act of civil disobedience for selling their wheat, something that as Western Canadian farmers, we couldn't do without an export license.

00:09:41.300 They, it was an act of civil disobedience, selling a bushel of grain to a 4-H club in Montana across the border.

00:09:49.300 And again, if you lived in Quebec or Ontario, you could sell your wheat to whomever we wanted, but we had to sell it to a marketing board who knew better than us farmers.

00:09:57.300 Those farmers went to jail.

00:09:58.300 They were carried away in handcuffs.

00:10:00.300 And the Conservatives were there.

00:10:03.300 They were there the day those farmers were taken away.

00:10:06.300 They were, Stephen Harper pardoned those farmers.

00:10:10.300 They stood with the group called Farmers for Justice, who brought down the entire wheat board.

00:10:17.300 Where are those Conservatives now?

00:10:19.300 I just want to know where they're at.

00:10:21.300 We saw John Rustat, Conservative leader in British Columbia, finally say something this morning.

00:10:29.300 But we were concerned that those ostriches would start being called yesterday.

00:10:34.300 So, I mean, I guess better late than never, but would be, would be nice to hear somebody raise this in the House of Commons.

00:10:43.300 It's obscene.

00:10:45.300 There's no other word for it.

00:10:46.300 It's obscene.

00:10:47.300 You could say at some point, maybe they didn't know how big of a story it was.

00:10:50.300 But when literally every post from Pierre Paulievre yesterday, the day before, is getting ratioed in the comments sections with,

00:10:57.300 why aren't you saying anything about the ostriches?

00:10:59.300 You don't get to plead ignorance anymore.

00:11:01.300 You know, some people say, well, it's a social media team.

00:11:04.300 If he is that detached from the people he's supposed to represent, that's a problem.

00:11:08.300 And the biggest problem is he took a lot of flack during the election for saying Pierre Paulievre is a, is a political fair weather politician.

00:11:16.300 He's got no core principles.

00:11:17.300 He goes with the tide, which you can use, you know, to your advantage in terms of like, he'll, he'll, he'll bend to the pressure of the people.

00:11:24.300 He learned nothing from his crushing defeat in this election.

00:11:28.300 That sitting on your hands, biting your tongue, playing the rules of the opponent's game does nothing but cost you the election to the point where he needs to be gifted a seat in the house.

00:11:37.300 So he can return to being the so-called leader of the so-called opposition of the so-called conservative party.

00:11:41.300 So he can sit on his thumbs and do nothing while this is going down and just pretend it's not existing.

00:11:46.300 Tweeting about government tyranny under the gun ban confiscation thing.

00:11:50.300 And then not tweeting about government tyranny, about a government coming in, killing your, it makes no sense.

00:11:54.300 And it's, it's, my bottom line is it's, they need a new leader.

00:11:58.300 Cause he's, he's, he's burnt the goodwill, any remaining goodwill that he had, but what do I know?

00:12:03.300 I know I'm just a former PPC guy.

00:12:05.300 Well, I think that the, what this situation is showing is the distinct break in the feedback loop on all levels of government.

00:12:13.300 Okay. All levels of government are not hearing the people all, you know, all of the politicians who, who are ignoring all of their mentions, Viva, because you're right.

00:12:22.300 They're getting, they're getting ratioed over this issue.

00:12:26.300 And every minute that they stay silent shows us just what a disconnect there is between the people and the people that we elect to govern us.

00:12:35.300 Okay. And this is, this is across the board.

00:12:37.300 Where was our useless prime minister yesterday as this was going down?

00:12:41.300 Well, he was entering, entertaining the uppity ups at the UN general council.

00:12:45.300 We could have used Mark Carney on this file yesterday.

00:12:49.300 And as a matter of fact, we could have used the liberal government of Canada on this file for the last eight months.

00:12:54.300 Where have they been unresponsive to the farmers that they're supposed to be serving?

00:12:59.300 That's where.

00:13:00.300 Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:01.300 The ag minister and the health minister should both, both be relentlessly hammered in the house of commons.

00:13:07.300 And it is frustrating because Pierre Polyev is now in a largely conservative, a largely rural, deep blue conservative riding in Alberta.

00:13:17.300 This, if you're tweeting about the gun issue, you've got to be tweeting about this because this is a huge issue for Western Canadian farmers like myself.

00:13:27.300 It is first the birds.

00:13:29.300 And then, you know, it's just a, you know, it's a quirky little ostrich farm in the middle of nowheresville, but it's a hop, skip and a jump from that to my neighbor's turkey barn.

00:13:41.300 And then to beef, you know, like Mark Carney, people are saying, Viva, you know, give as much flack to Mark Carney as you do to Pierre Polyev.

00:13:52.300 I was like, no, because this is his plan. This is his, his whole strategy here.

00:13:58.300 He is passport carrying globalist, president, prostitute, politician, prostitute that, you know, that Pierre Polyev should have been calling out and calling that during the election. 0.89

00:14:08.300 So I don't, I don't expect the liberals to do anything because this is their plan.

00:14:12.300 Right. They're doing what they want to do.

00:14:14.300 Sure.

00:14:15.300 And, and to, you know, there's people out there and I talked to a lot of people and some are saying, what's the big deal? It's just a bunch of birds.

00:14:21.300 I was like, first of all, it could be a raccoon and a squirrel like we saw in New York. It could be a Fred and Peanut. This is about absolute government tyranny, the illogical application of unscientific rules, the misappropriation or, you know, disappropriation of property rights of the citizens, because some administrative body comes in, the CFIA, which has their tweets protected on Twitter, a government body.

00:14:45.300 Right.

00:14:46.300 We got to kill your animals because they were infected. We don't want to do any more tests. And then they want to still kill the animals five months later, even though they're all health, all healthy.

00:14:53.300 And they want to kill them a year later, even though they're all healthy. And they have the backing of the federal court and the court of appeal to say, yep, your decision at the time was rational.

00:15:01.300 So let's not look at the evolution of science and facts. Let's just go kill your animals and shut your mouths, lowly plebs. You are subjects and not God given right free citizens. This is a problem of government. 1.00

00:15:12.300 It's a problem of Canadian government. And the conservatives seem to be not just silent, but complicit in it. And it's a big, big deal.

00:15:19.300 It is a big deal. And it also, there are historical ties that go along with livestock and pet killing initiatives by communist governments that advance the erosion of private property, that normalize this behavior. 0.63

00:15:35.600 When the government comes in and takes your stuff, there's nothing you can do about it. It's the government's not yours, you see.

00:15:40.460 And so this is a real warning for the people of Canada that something terrible is happening, unfolding right now in our neighbor's yard.

00:15:48.440 Okay. And we need all of the eyes of the world on this because, because if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere.

00:15:55.480 Well, and, and there, I think the solution here is political pressure. The ag minister and the health minister, they need to be relentlessly hammered on this issue.

00:16:05.980 I might get stung by a wasp live on air, but they need to be relentlessly hammered on this issue because right now it's before the activist courts because the CFIA dragged it there. 0.95

00:16:16.320 They need the minister to say, get this out of the courts, stop this cull order. Who is the CFIA but a rogue agency right now? Who's in charge of them?

00:16:27.320 It's before the activist courts. We saw, we saw what the activist courts think about public health over the last five years.

00:16:34.280 I have to tell you, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for the Supreme court to do the right thing here.

00:16:40.960 I am grateful that the birds have a stay of execution. And as Viva says, put pressure.

00:16:49.380 This is not the time to take the foot off the gas pedal, but to think that the courts are going to do the right thing for once. I am skeptical.

00:16:58.160 It's just who's in charge of the CFIA. Well, it's, it's Paul McKinnon, the president who also had, this is not, it's not like a rogue agency. It's a, it's a Soviet administrative agency. I'm hyperbolic. It's a terrorist organization. It's not because it's coming from the government that it's not terrorist organizations that are coming in inflicting violence and force for the purposes of promoting their political agenda.

00:17:22.820 It's the definition of a state terrorism. And the, the problem is the courts come in and ratify it because it's all one big club. And it's the idea that, Sheila, to your point also, but this skipping to pets, to other livestock, the ostriches are non-migratory birds. They're not for human.

00:17:42.600 So why the Canadian food inspection agency even has jurisdiction is an issue, but set that aside. They're non-migratory. The argument is that birds come in contact with them. So the birds might reinfect them and then spread it somewhere else. Who knows? So we've got to kill the animals that don't move anywhere. Well, that's going to be true of dogs. It's going to be true of cats. It's going to be true of goats, everything that's on a farm. And that they can come in and say, sorry, we kill it now.

00:18:06.400 Even though they're healthy, even though they may have been infected, but survived and might have stronger antibodies. We own your property because that's what communism is.

00:18:15.320 Yeah. And, and that is true. We saw global news musing that the other day. Don't you know, your cat might be asymptomatic of the avian flu because they go outside and they munch on some birds and then they bring it in their, your house. And then we go back to this whole asymptomatic spreader theory that we heard during COVID.

00:18:33.280 And for me, that just means they're not sick and you're speculating because you don't know anything about what's going on here.

00:18:40.980 Or, or, or you tested with a PCR test that has a cycle rate of like bits of, of, of, whatever that, that are no longer even live. It is, um, I don't think it drives me nuts when people say they're just birds or, um, other people say, well, they were doing experiments.

00:18:56.200 Uh, they were, they were doing scientific research on these birds in any event. So, uh, so dot, dot, dot, dot, so dot, dot, dot, dot does not mean the government comes.

00:19:03.620 So nothing, nothing. If you don't like what they're doing, go contest what they're doing. If you think they're just birds and we eat ostriches anyhow, well, that's fine.

00:19:12.540 But the rules of the game are you have an ostrich farm for, for food. And you know, there's one outside of Montreal. Everybody should be paying attention to this, but it's the absolute abusiveness, arbitrariness, and lack of scientific value and lack of any scientific backing of this decision.

00:19:27.880 And right now, like in all Soviet, you know, regimes, they never arrested an innocent person because if they arrested someone by definition, they would be guilty. If the communists admitted they arrested an innocent person, they would admit fallibility. So they came down with this idiotic edict in December, 2024, and now they've got to carry it out. Otherwise people might realize, oh, they made a mistake and they almost got away with that mistake. 0.67

00:19:49.300 Right. And it's also part of this ongoing war memory holing of the cons.

00:19:54.640 Now she's freezing up.

00:19:58.100 Oh, she froze a little bit. Well, we'll continue on, Viva. Something you just said piqued my, piqued my attention because not only is this completely devoid of scientific backing, but would you be surprised to know if the Canadian Food Inspection Agency is, at the last five years, developing?

00:20:17.820 We have big pharma. Sorry.

00:20:20.120 Oh, no, Sheila, you froze out for the last 30 seconds.

00:20:22.660 Sorry, babe. Sorry, babe.

00:20:24.800 That's okay. I knew I would at some point.

00:20:28.120 Do you want to repeat what you just said?

00:20:30.900 Sure. I was just saying that this is really a part of this broader war on the concept of natural immunity that started during COVID.

00:20:37.840 So these birds are naturally immune to the avian flu.

00:20:42.520 They have the antibodies. Their antibodies are present in the eggs.

00:20:46.480 And during COVID, remember, there was no such thing as natural immunity.

00:20:50.540 If you got COVID and recovered, you still needed to get two doses of the first vaccines that you could get your hands on, mix and match, it didn't matter.

00:20:57.700 That was the advice, right?

00:20:58.880 And so these birds would be used in research done with natural immunity, those natural antibodies.

00:21:08.100 And right now, big pharma is real excited about different biotechnologies in vaccines.

00:21:13.640 And so these birds, even though they were going to remember these birds, even though they have natural immunity, she's going to say until she until she unfreezes.

00:21:28.020 Because, you know, my underlying now, call it a conspiracy theory, and it might prove to be true, is that the only thing that can explain the complicity or silence of the conservative party is that they too are bought and paid for and owned by big pharma.

00:21:40.520 There's no other, nothing else can explain this.

00:21:43.020 And, you know, that there is a pharmaceutical interest in stamping out whatever natural immunity these birds have.

00:21:51.040 And even if I'm wrong on that, and, you know, they're just totally incompetent and detached and living in their Ottawa ivory towers, even if I'm wrong on the theory, it doesn't change the underlying problem here.

00:22:00.720 The problem is government abuse, the arbitrary application of unscientific measures to deny people of property.

00:22:08.460 And I say, you know, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:22:10.580 It's an American concept.

00:22:11.580 Yeah.

00:22:12.240 That is what's at issue here.

00:22:13.860 Sheila, you froze after, now I forgot to.

00:22:16.340 Even though, even though they're naturally immune is what I think you were saying, Sheila.

00:22:21.880 Yeah, even, so, as I repeatedly have tried to say, although the internet is not cooperating with me, these, they have to kill these birds because they are naturally immune.

00:22:33.800 And we don't have that concept in our life anymore since COVID, right?

00:22:38.880 We were all supposed to take a biotechnology vaccine instead of just developing natural immunities.

00:22:43.220 And so the natural immunities that these birds have are being used in research.

00:22:48.120 And that research will die with these birds.

00:22:50.620 And the facts are 9 million birds have been culled in British Columbia because of the avian flu.

00:22:58.840 9 million.

00:23:00.780 These 400 ostriches may hold the key to stopping that. 0.63

00:23:05.580 And so not only could they potentially save the lives of humans exposed to the avian flu, but also protect the entire poultry industry.

00:23:15.140 And yet the CFIA is hell-bent on killing them because they need to stamp out this idea of natural immunity.

00:23:22.280 I was even just trying to steel man the argument for which the CFIA claims they need to be killed.

00:23:27.840 They are not infected right now as far as anybody.

00:23:31.120 They refuse to do more tests and they refuse to allow the farm to do tests to see if they even have live.

00:23:37.540 I mean, I guess the argument that as far as I can understand it is that they might have live strains on them that they're not susceptible to, that they might spread to migratory birds.

00:23:45.660 So that's why you need to kill them.

00:23:47.480 But they literally, by court order, prevented the farm from doing any additional tests to see if any of the birds are even asymptomatically infected.

00:23:57.360 And there's no innocent explanation for that.

00:24:01.280 There's no innocent explanation for the refusal to do more tests to determine what they might have by way of live virus.

00:24:09.060 And if they do, in fact, have antibodies and they did, in fact, live through a more severe strain, which was the latest retesting of the two tests they did in December 2024, that they were allowed to adduce as new evidence into this case while the farm was not allowed to put in new evidence.

00:24:25.480 Even if they did suffer from the more lethal strain and they survived, that's even more of a reason not to kill them, to adhere to RFK Jr.'s request to keep these animals for scientific research.

00:24:36.000 And an angle that I've been exploiting is like, to kill these birds, it's not just unscientific, it's not just abusive, it's not just inhumane.

00:24:42.580 It's an overt act of disrespect to the Trump administration, which offered to...

00:24:46.700 Sure does.

00:24:47.700 And Trump should threaten to and or impose tariffs if Canada goes through on this.

00:24:54.080 And I know it's a punishment on the people.

00:24:55.660 It's the only way somehow that, you know, maybe the conservatives will wake up.

00:24:58.780 More tariffs.

00:24:59.180 That would be a fast way to get the attention of the government of Canada, the people of Canada, and the opposition all at the same time.

00:25:06.800 Okay, if Trump starts talking about this, and he should, and he absolutely should, this would kick into real high gear real fast.

00:25:14.940 Because not only has the Canadian Food Inspection Agency completely abandoned scientific research in all of this,

00:25:22.220 but they've spent the last five years on developing and implementing an extensive DEI program within the Canada Food Inspection Agency.

00:25:31.180 So they're not interested.

00:25:32.380 They're not interested in being responsive to the farmers, to the ag producers, to the poultry producers.

00:25:37.540 They're not interested in that at all.

00:25:39.120 You want to know what they're interested in?

00:25:41.040 Their diversity hiring quotas.

00:25:42.940 You won't guess what diversity group the CFIA is interested in.

00:25:48.040 People with disabilities.

00:25:49.540 So they've spent five years, the last five years, not fine-tuning their policies, not becoming more accountable to the people that they serve,

00:25:57.500 but instead spending millions of dollars figuring out how to make the CFIA the most accessible workplace for disabled people.

00:26:10.640 Make it make sense.

00:26:11.420 Well, what doesn't make sense is that these birds are so deadly that they need to be executed,

00:26:18.960 that they need to drag this farm to court over and over again, that they need to arrest the owners of the birds.

00:26:26.160 Psychologically torture them, Sheila.

00:26:28.280 They're torturing these poor farmers.

00:26:30.220 After we hit that break, I'll go through the chaos of the last 24 hours, and I'm just a bystander to it.

00:26:35.480 But the cops, like, see the police tape here?

00:26:41.840 I can walk through this police tape and go lean on the fence.

00:26:44.400 The birds can peck me if I wanted them to.

00:26:46.480 The cops over there, they're leaning on the fence, talking to each other.

00:26:50.200 Does it seem like this thing is full of deadly pathogens?

00:26:52.840 Nobody believes that.

00:26:54.440 Not the CFIA.

00:26:54.880 The CFIA, certainly not the cops, whom I really believe do not want to be here.

00:27:00.060 They've taken a very hands-off approach.

00:27:03.060 But nobody believes that these birds are dangerous.

00:27:06.520 Not the CFIA, not the cops, not anybody.

00:27:08.940 Because this is not being treated like a biosecure facility.

00:27:12.880 And I have been on poultry facilities and pork facilities that are actually biosecure.

00:27:19.380 However, this ain't it.

00:27:21.540 And not just that, the Soviet show trial that they have to go through once they make the decision to bring in the bales of hay, then they decide to come out. 0.53

00:27:29.180 Like, that was when the wind changed directions.

00:27:32.100 But I want to highlight this, because, you know, I did tweet out yesterday that Trump should threaten terrorists.

00:27:37.600 I want to highlight, like, I've been saying for a while that Canada, through its liberal government, has caused itself to be a national security threat to the United States of America.

00:27:45.200 Definitely.

00:27:46.440 With the drug, the fentanyl, everything.

00:27:47.880 If they go ahead and cull these birds, that could provide a solution to the rest of the world and to the United States as well, under this new Trump administration.

00:27:57.060 It's not just an act of disrespect.

00:27:58.720 It's an act of aggression.

00:28:00.620 And for them to say, Mr. President, you're looking at this.

00:28:04.720 They thumbed their nose at your administration by saying, we don't need to give you these birds, even though you've asked for them.

00:28:10.620 Your head of HHS has asked for them for scientific purposes.

00:28:15.940 A big middle finger to you?

00:28:17.280 That's not just an act of disrespect.

00:28:19.320 It's an act that endangers the American population for whatever scientific value these birds might have.

00:28:24.520 And you should treat it as such.

00:28:26.120 And maybe that'll put the pressure on the Carney administration, which seems to be malleable to this type of economic pressure.

00:28:31.400 And maybe it'll wake up the conservatives to the idea that, whoa, maybe now we can use this as a tact to go after the liberals.

00:28:38.400 But no, Trump has to pay attention to this.

00:28:41.360 I don't know how much higher it can get than RFK Jr. in the first place.

00:28:44.240 But I'm putting that message on blast.

00:28:46.080 And I implore everyone to share it as well.

00:28:49.880 Yeah.

00:28:50.480 All I know is that whatever they're doing here is the opposite of protecting the poultry industry.

00:28:56.440 This is destroying the poultry industry by destroying the potential solution to the avian flu.

00:29:03.680 Olivia, maybe I can't hear you, but I think it's probably time to hit an ad break.

00:29:11.680 But before we know, I'll do it when we get back.

00:29:14.560 Let's hit an ad break, and then we've got a message from the wellness company and somebody who actually spoke out in favor of the ostriches I saw in his X account today.

00:29:22.900 So let's hit an ad break, and we'll come right back.

00:29:44.560 We'll be right back.

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00:33:27.260 I just saw something breaking.

00:33:29.860 And I should tell you that I have been in communication with somebody in Daniel Smith's office.

00:33:35.360 And they told me that they're watching what's unfolding here at the Ostrich Farm very closely.

00:33:43.760 And she and Doug Ford, of all people, were at a joint press conference where they spoke out against the culling of the ostriches.

00:33:53.460 Maybe Olivia can show that. 0.88

00:33:55.160 I haven't watched it yet.

00:33:55.960 I just saw that it had happened during the break.

00:33:59.100 And if Olivia can cue that up, we can all watch and react together.

00:34:06.960 Hi, Mickey here with Politico.

00:34:09.560 This question is for Smith and Ford.

00:34:12.220 I was speaking with John Katsimatidis regarding the ostrich situation in B.C.

00:34:19.540 He had a meeting yesterday with RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz on this matter.

00:34:24.920 He essentially wants the PM to intervene in the case.

00:34:28.040 And he said that he's spoken to both of you on this issue as well.

00:34:31.680 Will you be applying pressure to the PM on this?

00:34:34.280 And do either of you have any issues or any concerns about the federal government's treatment of farmers, particularly in this case?

00:34:41.980 Well, I have asked my agriculture minister to look into it to see if we had a similar situation in Alberta, what would we be able to do differently?

00:34:52.800 And one of the things that I think is worth looking at is when avian flu went through that herd, it did kill 20 percent of them, but it didn't kill 80 percent of them.

00:35:02.160 So maybe there is something to learn from whether there's an immunity or some kind of vaccine that could be developed as a result of having that flock survive.

00:35:11.980 I think that maybe we have to think about different ways to do animal husbandry and animal safety.

00:35:19.320 And why not try a different approach?

00:35:21.780 So I'm open minded to see if there's any persuasion on that.

00:35:26.620 I gather that the U.S. government is interested in partnering with B.C. if they wanted to do that.

00:35:30.560 I'd be supportive of that because you can see that this case has really taken on a lot of public sentiment behind it.

00:35:38.080 And if we can find a better way than doing mass culls in any situation like this, I think it's probably worth it to try to find a better way to do it.

00:35:45.340 I don't know if you've got a thought.

00:35:47.080 Yeah, no, I've talked to John many times about these ostriches. 0.82

00:35:50.760 I'm an animal lover, full disclosure, and I want to do everything I can to help him.

00:35:55.780 I think he had a plan to bring him down to Florida as well, to a sanctuary down there.

00:36:00.920 So anything John needs, I'm always there to support him.

00:36:04.980 He's a good man.

00:36:05.760 He cares for animals.

00:36:07.360 And he puts his money where his mouth is, too, when it comes to making sure that he protects all animals.

00:36:15.280 So thank you.

00:36:19.900 I'm kind of surprised Scott Moe didn't have anything to say there.

00:36:23.060 Well, specifically, he wasn't asked.

00:36:26.560 Like, the question was poised to.

00:36:28.260 Fair enough.

00:36:28.680 Well, I kept an eye on him.

00:36:31.200 And his responses, although not verbal, were still appropriate.

00:36:35.480 So, yes.

00:36:36.600 It would be nice, though, to hear one of these people to be onside the farmers.

00:36:40.300 You know what I mean?

00:36:40.840 Like, I know that the animals are important, but we need somebody speaking up for farmers in this moment.

00:36:47.300 And where is our agriculture, our federal ag minister?

00:36:50.820 Well, he's highfalutin in the Ottawa bubble right now.

00:36:53.560 He's too busy.

00:36:54.220 They're much, much too busy to deal with little matters like this that have been dragging on for the last eight months.

00:37:00.700 Yes.

00:37:01.140 It's the so-called progressive conservative who has said something before the leader of the opposition of the conservative party at the federal level.

00:37:10.040 It's pathetic.

00:37:12.020 It's pathetic.

00:37:12.780 I don't think it's possible to come back from this.

00:37:15.360 My joke is that politics is business.

00:37:18.460 If anybody wanted to vie for the leadership of the conservative party, all they have to do now is grab a bullhorn, get out to Edgewood, and stand with the people and demand that they not go through this call.

00:37:28.620 That's all they have to do.

00:37:29.480 Then I don't know how the mechanics work.

00:37:31.140 You know, they'll have a leadership race. 0.98

00:37:32.200 That will be the actual leader of the actual opposition of a so-called conservative party.

00:37:37.660 The ostriches are the litmus test for the conservative party is what you're saying, Eva.

00:37:42.820 Do you know what?

00:37:43.760 That's a great point because you know what was a litmus test for the conservative party leadership before?

00:37:48.920 The truckers.

00:37:51.760 Agreed.

00:37:52.360 Right?

00:37:52.880 Oh, agreed, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:37:55.000 When you think about it, sure, because we were suffering under Erin O'Toole.

00:38:00.440 What do you call him, Sheila Gunn-Reed?

00:38:02.140 A vanilla?

00:38:03.180 No.

00:38:04.000 No, vegetable lasagna.

00:38:05.520 Vegetable lasagna of the conservative.

00:38:08.240 And Pierre Polyev showed up to support the truckers in person.

00:38:12.580 And guess who became the leader of the conservative party?

00:38:15.220 Pierre Polyev.

00:38:15.940 We need to see this same Pierre Polyev emerge onside these farmers in Edgewood, BC in this moment.

00:38:22.660 Not whatever they're concentrating on in Ottawa or whatever they think is important today there.

00:38:29.240 My strategy might not be the best to manipulate the behavior that we would want out of Pierre, but I sincerely think it's too late for Pierre.

00:38:36.100 This is reputationally unsalvageable damage that he's done for no better reason.

00:38:41.760 What I would love to imagine is that there are other politically savvy and politically ambitious people within the conservative party that were saying, I don't want to embarrass Pierre.

00:38:50.020 I'll give him his window to do the right thing and say the right thing now that he hasn't done it.

00:38:53.840 And now that everyone in the base is pissed.

00:38:55.740 And I mean everyone.

00:38:56.880 Well, now, hey, I'm sorry, Pierre.

00:38:58.260 You had your chance to be the hero and you balked.

00:39:00.260 Now, maybe if Owen Baber comes up and says, this is what we need to do.

00:39:04.640 I'm so happy you mentioned it, Viva, because all of the conservative bro-friends, like our little cozy group of conservative bro-friends, are all screaming at the top of their lungs at Pierre Polyev to say something, to do something, to get involved in this moment.

00:39:17.160 And this could be a moment where he could see some of that base just peel off to the side going, well, maybe he's not our guy after all.

00:39:25.500 Like, that's a real danger for him right now.

00:39:28.040 I don't know if you guys know who Pleb the reporter is.

00:39:30.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:31.620 Yep.

00:39:33.380 Inadvertently, or I would say just maybe accidentally, ratioed Pierre so hard yesterday on one of Pierre's posts where Pierre puts up a rant.

00:39:41.580 I think it was about the gun confiscation, Ben.

00:39:43.800 And Pleb replies, read the room.

00:39:46.120 This is not what conservatives are concerned with on this particular day.

00:39:49.900 He doubled.

00:39:50.640 He ratioed him by a factor of two to one.

00:39:52.740 And that's Pleb.

00:39:53.500 That's the man who people were accusing of being on Pierre's payroll during the election.

00:39:57.420 I'm not making that accusation.

00:39:58.760 He was a true believer during the election and was truly disappointed.

00:40:02.380 We had fights during the election because he said, Viva, you're not helping.

00:40:05.500 I'm like, first of all, if they follow my advice during the election, it would help.

00:40:08.760 But they didn't.

00:40:09.360 And they suffered the consequences.

00:40:10.880 He got ratioed by Pleb.

00:40:12.520 And it was humiliating.

00:40:14.320 So I think it's too late.

00:40:16.900 Well, and here's the thing.

00:40:18.460 You're allowed to tweet out two things on a day, right?

00:40:20.880 Like, you can send out a strong messaging on the gun grab.

00:40:25.800 I care deeply about that.

00:40:28.440 But I'm also a farmer.

00:40:29.900 I care about this.

00:40:30.620 I care about property rights.

00:40:31.700 I care about government overreach.

00:40:33.040 I care about a return to science and reality.

00:40:38.060 And the liberals have been anti-science, anti-property rights, and anti-reality for five long years.

00:40:45.680 It's very little opposition.

00:40:48.240 And so, you know, he could have come out real strong on the gun grab and then real strong on the ostriches.

00:40:55.740 I mean, this has been a crazy 24 hours at the ostrich farm.

00:41:00.260 Like, crazy.

00:41:01.420 I don't know if you guys want to recap of just what happened.

00:41:04.200 Yes, we do.

00:41:04.680 Absolutely, yes, we do.

00:41:05.980 Like, 20 hours.

00:41:08.120 So Drea and I sleep in our clothes around here because we never know what's going to happen.

00:41:14.420 Now, the warrant says that the cops in the CFIA aren't really allowed to do anything between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m.

00:41:21.720 So we sort of wait the clock out, and then we go to sleep, and then we sort of get up at – well, I don't know about Drea, but I get up at 5.

00:41:29.720 I'm a farmer.

00:41:30.240 I get up early anyways.

00:41:31.000 I get up at 5 and sort of do everything I need to do before it's go time, right, because you never know what's going to happen.

00:41:36.940 So yesterday on the farm, everybody was really hopeful for a stay, and then that didn't come.

00:41:44.120 And then all of a sudden, Katie, Sidney, and her mom are arrested inside the ostrich pen because they wouldn't leave the ostrich pen.

00:41:58.240 And I understand, Sheila, that they were sort of lured away from you guys and into a private area where they were arrested?

00:42:06.800 So as it sits right now, I'm literally – there's the fence, like the police tape, the ostriches are right there, and right there is the camp.

00:42:14.960 And so nobody is allowed with the ostriches.

00:42:20.020 Apparently, the CFIA and the RCMP have carrying control of the ostriches right now.

00:42:25.200 Katie and her mom were inside the ostrich pen refusing to leave, and they arrested them inside the pen and took –

00:42:34.960 and spirited them away to a place up the road where they're staging everything and basically processed them and let them go, I think, under Section 35 of the Health of Animals Act, and then released them.

00:42:49.500 So now they're not allowed back in the ostrich pen, of course.

00:42:54.360 We didn't know when they would be back, what was happening.

00:42:56.740 We just knew they had been arrested.

00:42:58.560 Then somebody donates a helicopter ride to us.

00:43:02.700 Like Chopper 5 situation?

00:43:06.940 Sheila Gunn-Reed and Drea Humphrey at Chopper 5, live reporting from the ostrich Waco of Canada?

00:43:13.480 Yes.

00:43:14.800 Sorry, go ahead.

00:43:16.200 What were the charges?

00:43:17.060 Was it obstruction as far as I understood?

00:43:19.780 Section 35-1 of the Health of Animals Act.

00:43:23.660 So I think that is breaking the quarantine that's there.

00:43:29.540 Get arrested.

00:43:30.260 Sorry, go ahead.

00:43:31.180 Bring contact with the –

00:43:32.700 And when they get arrested, they don't put them in hazmat suits.

00:43:35.140 Nobody's wearing face masks.

00:43:36.340 They come in contact with them despite the lethal strain of H5N1 that these birds are alleged to have had nine months ago.

00:43:43.000 And so they just deal with them like regular people without any risk of any sort of infection.

00:43:48.560 Right.

00:43:49.280 Yes.

00:43:50.060 Yeah.

00:43:50.440 So there's that.

00:43:52.340 And then we got a helicopter ride donated to us.

00:43:55.180 We had to find a place to park the helicopter because we can't go near the ostriches with it. 0.95

00:43:58.820 It freaks them out.

00:43:59.620 The police drones freak them out.

00:44:00.880 So we were able to get a donated spot to land the helicopter.

00:44:06.260 And we used the helicopter to track down the hay bales that were coming in.

00:44:12.460 And we were able to watch the hay bales being deployed to obscure the view from the highway for what would be the cull down the – you know, we thought the cull might happen yesterday afternoon.

00:44:27.600 But definitely today if a stay didn't come.

00:44:31.440 And so we were able to watch that happen.

00:44:34.760 And, you know, you could see there's fencing up the road.

00:44:37.780 That's where Drea is right now where they were going to use hay bales on one side and then fencing on the other to sort of make a kill pen. 1.00

00:44:44.340 So they would sort of bring them in and then kill them in there away from the road but also away from the other ostriches so they don't have anywhere to go.

00:44:55.540 And as someone who hunts, we all know, like, pen hunting is highly, highly unethical.

00:45:02.640 It's highly inhumane.

00:45:04.820 But that's what they were going to do to these ostriches. 1.00

00:45:07.700 So we make it through the night.

00:45:10.180 But not entirely because 4 a.m., police cars, fire trucks, a fire breaks out in the hay bales.

00:45:19.560 And so the hay bales at the CFIA crept in yesterday to set up this kill pen and to obscure the view from the highway.

00:45:28.980 Those were on fire this morning.

00:45:30.760 It started about 4, 5-ish by the time we got to it.

00:45:37.960 And so we don't really know the state of the bales.

00:45:40.380 It seems like the fire started on the inside.

00:45:42.720 But that is a big, embarrassing black mark on the RCMP because they're supposed to have control of this property here.

00:45:50.660 Like, there are cops everywhere.

00:45:52.800 So, as you know, I know a little bit about hay as my local hay oligarch in my community.

00:45:59.300 And so hay can start on fire if it is baled up, wet, and it becomes combustible.

00:46:04.900 But that usually doesn't happen in the cold, damp, dead of night like this.

00:46:10.660 Right. Something happened.

00:46:11.940 I don't know if it's arson.

00:46:13.900 I don't know if something happened.

00:46:17.040 I don't know what the theories are.

00:46:19.660 But it is my experience, as someone who knows a little bit about hay moisture, that those decomp fires don't generally start in the middle of a night when it's like 7 degrees and super damp.

00:46:33.280 So that's – and then –

00:46:36.200 But am I going to – yesterday, there was a video of a guy carrying a can of gas being shrieked at by a woman on a property or the day before.

00:46:43.880 Did you not see that?

00:46:45.500 I didn't see that, but there are generators everywhere.

00:46:47.920 So there are reasonable excuses for why someone might be wandering around with a jerry can.

00:46:52.560 But not by the cull pen, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:46:56.880 Certainly not by the cull pen.

00:46:58.940 Right.

00:46:59.200 And you can't get there.

00:47:00.680 So I don't know where the police are asleep at the switch.

00:47:04.820 You know, there has been some friction with the neighbours here.

00:47:08.160 As you know, there were birds that were shot here that have never been explained.

00:47:12.580 Now these bales start on fire where the ostriches were to be penned. 0.98

00:47:16.960 Is that a supporter?

00:47:17.940 Is it something that happened naturally?

00:47:20.020 Is it the neighbours?

00:47:21.820 Like there's – there are hate groups dedicated to hating on this farm too.

00:47:26.860 So it's just been a crazy day.

00:47:30.060 And then all of a sudden we get to stay.

00:47:31.480 So it's just been an emotional rollercoaster for everybody here.

00:47:35.880 But what a failure of the public institutions that are supposed to be keeping a safe bubble around this place.

00:47:43.800 Like just yesterday in the live stream we talked about the incendiary nature of hay bales.

00:47:48.960 And like these are obviously two groups, both law enforcement and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, that have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

00:47:59.300 Because anybody that knows anything knows that hay bales can start on fire.

00:48:04.240 They are very flammable.

00:48:05.440 And this was a risk and they – I mean they increased the risk with their silly plan here.

00:48:15.080 I mean what are these – it is a failure on every single level imaginable that there was a fire last night.

00:48:23.780 And you know what, the worst parts of me are saying, you know, the conspiracy theorist thoughts of me are saying, well, you know, this could just be a diversion.

00:48:34.080 You know what I mean?

00:48:34.840 Because then law enforcement or the Canadian Food Inspection Agency can say this is a danger.

00:48:40.060 This could have caused a wildfire.

00:48:41.740 This could have caused loss of animal or human life.

00:48:45.980 And away you all go.

00:48:47.140 And so I don't trust anything that's happening here right now.

00:48:49.580 And so Sheila Gunn-Reed, that you and Dre are there full time, suspending your lives to bring us every bit of breaking news. 0.99

00:48:56.800 It is so important to keep an eye on this.

00:48:59.020 So thank you.

00:49:00.460 Oh, you're welcome.

00:49:01.880 I might go start my journey home this afternoon because there's a stay.

00:49:06.440 So I don't know, you know, what can we do here?

00:49:09.280 It's just hurry up and wait.

00:49:11.100 But yeah, the idea that the police have care and control of this property, but they obviously didn't secure it because a fire broke out.

00:49:21.880 And I thought, and actually I'm quite amazed, that they didn't get a court order to clear out the camp because, you know, to get everybody out of here because obviously they need to secure the place.

00:49:36.940 And they were unable to with the volume of people that are here.

00:49:40.420 And I think there's probably a hundred or so people that are sort of here all the time.

00:49:44.520 I mean, you know, there are vehicles that come and go, but I thought, oh, darn, this fire is going to be their excuse to get rid of everybody.

00:49:52.940 Oh, the fire.

00:49:53.900 And I'm like, you know, history doesn't repeat, but it tends to rhyme.

00:49:56.320 And then I immediately thought of Waco where, you know, oh, a fire occurred by the fire or they start going crazy because ostriches are very nervous.

00:50:05.020 And then they have to shoot them because they start stampeding.

00:50:07.760 And, you know, it wasn't, oh, it was beyond our control.

00:50:10.120 Well, I will find out, I presume there's enough surveillance that they'll see how the fire started it.

00:50:16.840 I am, you know, it's up in the air as to whether or not it was someone who thought they were doing something good by doing this or someone who thought they were assisting with the police, whether or not it was some sort of RCMP goon who sets the fire and the crisis that ensues.

00:50:29.580 Oh, they died from smoke inhalation.

00:50:31.060 So, you know, not even our fault anymore.

00:50:34.280 Nothing is beyond what they would do.

00:50:37.080 But, Sheila, do we have an update on the condition of the birds post fire?

00:50:42.880 Like, do we know that they're okay?

00:50:44.420 Because the owners aren't being allowed into the pen, yes?

00:50:48.060 So, it sounds as though all the birds are fine because they weren't forced into that enclosure yet.

00:50:55.620 So, there are three, maybe four pens.

00:50:59.120 You can actually, from our footage in the air, you can actually see the bird enclosures with the barns and you can see where they're making the little fence there.

00:51:07.460 And they had not been forced into there.

00:51:10.080 So, the birds were, as far as we know, unharmed.

00:51:14.440 But, I know that the farmers are very concerned about the welfare of these birds because they have not been allowed to feed them.

00:51:24.340 And, you know, now they're, I mean, the whole valley was filled with smoke.

00:51:28.300 Like, when we were driving up there, like, you had to slow down.

00:51:31.920 It was like driving in thick fog because of just the sheer amount of smoke coming off these hay bales.

00:51:38.020 Sorry, that might be me.

00:51:42.280 How does it go through?

00:51:43.820 Notifications turned off and it's still going through on my phone.

00:51:46.160 Sorry about that.

00:51:47.320 Could be me.

00:51:48.720 Could be me.

00:51:49.440 I am in the middle of nowhere broadcasting.

00:51:54.400 It is, it's insanity.

00:51:58.120 The CFIA, it's a rogue agency, literally unaccountable to the people that they are, you know, allegedly supposed to represent.

00:52:05.720 For the people who are unfamiliar with administrative law under the Canadian system, you're seeing it.

00:52:10.520 This is an organ.

00:52:11.580 You know, in America, they overturned the Chevron decision, which was deference to these administrative.

00:52:16.420 In Canada, it's the exact opposite.

00:52:19.080 You have these administrative bodies, which are supposed to be specialty courts, that basically, you know, create their own rules, interpret their own rules, apply them, and then carry out the executions.

00:52:28.660 And the federal courts come in and say, well, we've got to defer to the authority of the CFIA.

00:52:34.800 The organization should be disbanded, defunded.

00:52:37.820 And if we had a real opposition in Canada, they would be clamoring for that right now.

00:52:41.520 And asking why the Canadian Food Inspection Agency even has jurisdiction over an ostrich farm not been used for food for at least five years, from what I understand.

00:52:51.860 Yeah.

00:52:53.280 I think we should get to some of these chats.

00:52:55.500 And then I think we're pretty close to the top of the hour.

00:52:58.900 I'm going to check Andrea and maybe start making my way back home.

00:53:02.720 I've got a 12 or 13-hour drive ahead of me, and it's already half the day through.

00:53:06.700 And I might have to turn right around and come back.

00:53:09.840 So who knows?

00:53:11.880 We have a chat from Nancy, who gives us $13.99 and says,

00:53:20.200 thank you for Rebel News for your tireless reporting to help the beautiful family and their ostriches.

00:53:24.380 God bless you all.

00:53:25.480 Well, we sure appreciate that.

00:53:26.880 If you want to see all of our journalism, you can go to savetheostriches.com.

00:53:31.060 But, like, I am just a Johnny-come-lately to this story.

00:53:34.300 I am a farmer, so I care about these things.

00:53:37.300 And I knew that there was just too much happening here to expect Drea to be able to do it all by herself.

00:53:43.960 So I'm just here in an assistance mode helping Drea, who really owns the story.

00:53:50.540 And when she walks through here, she's like a rock star.

00:53:53.680 Like, people are stopping her, high-fiving her, taking pictures.

00:53:57.360 Because she's just been, she's so dedicated to being here and telling the story from the inside.

00:54:04.440 There were actually justice in these journalist awards.

00:54:08.000 She would get an award for this.

00:54:09.260 I tweeted.

00:54:09.740 Oh, yes.

00:54:11.480 Not to undermine everybody else involved in this, because it's an effort.

00:54:15.220 She deserves an award for this.

00:54:16.820 And CBC deserves shaming and shunning.

00:54:19.300 And all the other outlets that are not there 24-7, bringing this to the Canadian attention.

00:54:23.480 But Drea absolutely deserves an award for this. 1.00

00:54:26.800 Yes.

00:54:27.180 I'm writing that idea down, Viva Frye, so we can have, like, the Independent Press Gallery of Canada awards.

00:54:34.040 We are making them happen right now.

00:54:36.740 Big bowling trophies.

00:54:38.360 Okay?

00:54:38.580 Big ones.

00:54:39.500 Humongous, ostentatious trophies.

00:54:41.860 Coming to Drea Humphrey for her work on this issue.

00:54:45.980 Look at this.

00:54:46.880 See?

00:54:47.140 She looked at it.

00:54:47.640 Yes.

00:54:48.180 This is what we're going to do.

00:54:49.140 Or the first-year lawsuit, Make Gavels, or something related to journalism.

00:54:56.700 Right.

00:54:57.160 It'll be a microphone.

00:54:58.620 A microphone.

00:54:59.580 That's it.

00:55:00.120 We're going to make that happen.

00:55:02.740 Yep.

00:55:03.620 Yeah.

00:55:04.080 She's just doing incredible work here.

00:55:05.480 I'm so proud of her.

00:55:06.280 And she's sleeping in a teepee.

00:55:10.840 It's crazy.

00:55:11.620 I mean, we are roughing it.

00:55:13.020 And, at least, you know, I'm a woman who can rough it, but we are very, very roughing it.

00:55:19.800 Level 10 roughing it in the wilds of British Columbia, Canada.

00:55:23.900 Yeah.

00:55:24.440 Yes.

00:55:25.260 Those are our girls. 0.70

00:55:26.660 Those are our Rebel News girls.

00:55:27.980 I bet you won't see the CBC doing this.

00:55:30.660 No.

00:55:31.200 I don't know where they're staying, but it's not here.

00:55:33.580 Roy Ellsworth gives us $27.99, and he just reiterates, they've got to stay now, Viva,

00:55:38.640 and the ostriches cannot be harmed until the court date.

00:55:41.120 But, yeah, we went through that at the top of the show.

00:55:44.880 Pete Galazzi?

00:55:48.360 Galazzi?

00:55:49.520 Praying that Trump throws everything with China out the window.

00:55:52.500 No trade, period.

00:55:53.720 No military support, period.

00:55:55.100 No travel, period.

00:55:56.280 And expel all diplomatic staff, as well as pull embassy.

00:56:01.740 Okay.

00:56:03.040 Nana Awake, who's a regular chatter, regular donor, says,

00:56:06.100 Canada needs to disband the CFIA.

00:56:08.340 It should be restructured at the provincial level.

00:56:10.200 Yes.

00:56:11.400 Agreed.

00:56:12.260 We just heard Danielle Smith and Doug Ford say that they could do a better job.

00:56:16.760 Danielle Smith always, she always thinks the province can do a better job,

00:56:20.600 and she ain't wrong.

00:56:21.860 She says, and consists of minimum 30% farmers, 30% agrologists or agronomists,

00:56:28.740 30% animal husbandry science, and at most 10% bureaucracy.

00:56:33.500 I agree with you.

00:56:34.660 I see 0% DEI in there.

00:56:36.520 0%.

00:56:37.200 Yes, and that's the way it should be done.

00:56:41.320 C700 Angus gives us $5.

00:56:43.260 Where are all the farm organizations who are supposed to represent and support farmers

00:56:47.720 in dealing with governments?

00:56:50.140 Great question.

00:56:50.940 They don't really exist.

00:56:54.700 Nana Awakes gives us $10 and says,

00:56:57.020 Katie and Karen were told they could feed the animals one last time.

00:56:59.640 Then they were arrested for disobeying the order.

00:57:02.760 It's all suspect.

00:57:05.200 I appreciate people who say the RCMP look like they don't want to be there.

00:57:10.560 They are there to facilitate the CFIA's mission.

00:57:14.120 So as much as they might be reluctant or just following orders, they're complicit.

00:57:20.200 They're actual participants, and you can't trust the police in the best of times, let alone in the worst of times.

00:57:25.420 And I say that as someone who generally, as a rule, backs the blue.

00:57:29.140 Don't talk to police.

00:57:30.160 And it looked like a scam, and it looked like a setup, and it turns out that it probably very well was one.

00:57:36.160 And this is a story of priorities, because right next to, well, about a seven-hour drive, which in Canada is really nothing,

00:57:45.160 there's a five-year-old with autism that's currently missing in the wilds of Alberta.

00:57:50.500 And here, seven hours away, in Edgewood, British Columbia, we have a whole troop of RCMP concentrating on this ostrich story.

00:57:58.940 You think that those resources might be better spent looking for the little missing lost autistic child in Alberta, maybe?

00:58:05.220 RCMP, maybe that would be a better use of your resources.

00:58:08.960 Maybe you could pull a little bit of positive PR out of this.

00:58:12.040 But as it stands, and the way that this is all just unfolding, it just looks bad on everybody.

00:58:18.660 Yeah.

00:58:19.380 The last chat here is along the same veins.

00:58:23.340 Hopefully, my internet connection hangs on for a couple more minutes.

00:58:27.660 It's from Silverfeet.

00:58:29.140 Gives us five bucks, and it's related to something I said on a live stream from the farm here.

00:58:33.060 And I took a little bit of heat from the people here.

00:58:35.220 Um, but because I don't like them screaming at the top of their lungs at the cops.

00:58:40.440 And I understand that everybody's angry, and that anger has to go somewhere.

00:58:44.620 But the real villains are those CFIA ghouls hiding at the back,

00:58:48.860 and their boss is sitting in a cubicle somewhere making decisions to ruin people's lives,

00:58:53.220 who don't have to face the people.

00:58:56.860 That's the, those are the real bad guys.

00:58:59.160 And I have a unique perspective on this because I was, uh, at the Whistle Stop Cafe for months, really,

00:59:08.380 until the RCMP locked up the diner and, and the gas station and the campground.

00:59:16.100 And basically, it was a collective punishment on the entire town.

00:59:18.640 But that was at the, that was at an order issued by Jason Kenney's Alberta Health Services.

00:59:23.600 And Staff Sergeant Bruce Holliday was the cop, the local cop.

00:59:29.320 He was in Bashaw and then Stetler, Alberta, who had to go back and forth

00:59:33.020 and be the face of Alberta Health Services, because that was his job.

00:59:37.460 And he, he's a friendly guy, you could tell, he just did not want to be there.

00:59:42.180 And then we found out that Bruce took his life.

00:59:46.780 And so we don't know, we don't know the cost to these guys for doing this job.

00:59:52.320 And I'm trying to channel my inner Erica Kirk and try to have a little bit of Christian charity for them.

00:59:59.240 And, you know, oh, we don't know what they're struggling with.

01:00:02.140 And I just, I try to remember that.

01:00:03.920 Well, that's another part of this, though, is, is part of this lands on the shoulders of RCMP brass,

01:00:10.540 who are letting their guys, putting their guys in, in danger,

01:00:15.280 especially since over 60% of RCMP members have a diagnosable mental health issue.

01:00:21.480 Okay, because of the kind of work that they do.

01:00:24.400 So you're putting these guys in an inherently risky situation that would further perhaps harm them

01:00:31.560 by making them the villains in their own communities, by making them be the bad guys.

01:00:37.340 Like, this is a failure of the RCMP, too.

01:00:40.680 Sure it is.

01:00:42.080 Sheila, I appreciate it.

01:00:43.620 And especially, you don't want to be unforgiving with the people who might be in the most immediate position to make the change.

01:00:51.160 Yeah.

01:00:51.540 The destruction is not just outwardly directed.

01:00:56.280 It is inwardly directed as well.

01:00:57.900 I didn't hear that.

01:00:58.560 Yeah.

01:00:59.620 Tragic and there's no, but this is where just saying no, I appreciate they're just following.

01:01:05.660 When the armed, when the armed branch of the government is just following orders to enforce the minister of the body,

01:01:13.120 they don't get to wash their hands of it and say, well, we're just doing.

01:01:15.380 If none of the RCMP are there, the CFIA is not emboldened to go in and try to murder.

01:01:22.200 So they could just, I appreciate it.

01:01:24.360 It's a job.

01:01:24.960 It's an income.

01:01:25.800 Yep.

01:01:26.580 It's also a value to the dignity of one's soul.

01:01:29.600 And to just say.

01:01:30.440 I agree with you.

01:01:32.680 I agree with you.

01:01:33.600 I'll share another quick just story in the same vein.

01:01:35.640 When I was at Grace Life Church, I think I was there for like eight Sundays.

01:01:39.500 And I'm not Protestant, but I was there because they were holding services and they were doing it in complete disregard for the government's lockdown on churches.

01:01:55.420 And there was one cop who kept coming and like he was had to go and just document that they were holding services.

01:02:02.720 And he would, not from the congregants, don't get me wrong.

01:02:06.240 The congregants were always very understanding and exhibited the most defining example of Christmas.

01:02:14.240 Oh, it's freezing out of the most important part.

01:02:17.880 Sheila Gunn-Reed, where did you go?

01:02:20.120 Defining part of Christmas.

01:02:23.600 She doesn't know that we can't hear her right now.

01:02:26.040 We'll have to get her back.

01:02:27.720 Let me read one more chat that's come in.

01:02:31.040 Sorry.

01:02:31.260 Oh, there you are, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

01:02:33.540 I was just going to read.

01:02:35.380 Pick up your story.

01:02:36.700 You left off.

01:02:37.980 Okay.

01:02:38.260 I don't know where I left off, but I was at Grace Life Church over and over and over again.

01:02:42.760 And okay.

01:02:43.380 So there was a cop.

01:02:45.000 It was the same cop every Sunday.

01:02:47.060 And he would come and he would just document, yes, they're having services, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:50.840 And the protesters would give him a hard time.

01:02:52.820 Not the congregants, so just the protesters.

01:02:54.940 And I kind of pulled him aside and said, like, why are you doing this?

01:02:57.900 And he said, Sheila, you don't want the guys at the detachment who want to come here to be the ones here.

01:03:05.600 And so it sort of kind of humanized it because, you know, in every police force, there's some aggressive headcrackers.

01:03:13.000 And the guys who are reluctant to be here, actually, those are the guys I want here.

01:03:18.120 That's an interesting take.

01:03:19.880 It's an interesting take.

01:03:21.240 Yeah.

01:03:22.520 And in fairness, the guys that are in uniform having to be there have been very, very accommodating, shall we say?

01:03:30.820 They've been cool.

01:03:31.600 They've been cool.

01:03:33.000 You know, they honestly, when I pulled in here, I thought, okay, well, they're going to want my ID.

01:03:39.460 They're going to write down my license plate.

01:03:41.380 They're going to shine their light in my car to make sure I'm not bringing in anything stupid.

01:03:46.640 Never did that.

01:03:47.640 They're just like, oh, yeah, you're going to the camp, head on in.

01:03:50.360 Like, they'd, nothing.

01:03:52.780 Like, they're not stopping anybody.

01:03:55.460 I know there are some reports that they are stopping people, but they're just waving people in and out all day long.

01:04:02.860 So I think that's it.

01:04:05.540 And let's, last word goes to Viva before we wrap it up.

01:04:09.060 Again, Viva.

01:04:10.320 Oh, wait, we've got more.

01:04:12.880 C Angus, five.

01:04:14.800 Sheila, we pay into them, but they want government table scraps. 0.99

01:04:18.160 Yeah.

01:04:18.840 Black Cats Matter, $6.99.

01:04:21.240 And Silver Feet, oh, he corrects me.

01:04:23.660 He says, Sheila, it wasn't you.

01:04:25.060 I was paraphrasing a blonde old lady who is sweetly talking to the police, explaining to them that they don't have to do that job because I'm currently in that cop's position. 0.99

01:04:34.900 Exactly.

01:04:35.900 Oh, okay.

01:04:37.560 All right.

01:04:37.940 I think that's the end of the chat.

01:04:39.700 Thanks to everybody who pitched in on these chats.

01:04:41.860 That's how we keep the lights on here at Rebel News.

01:04:43.700 We don't take a penny from the government.

01:04:45.540 I want to thank Viva so much for joining us for the whole hour as a co-host. 0.82

01:04:49.700 That was fun.

01:04:50.300 We should do it more often.

01:04:51.440 And Viva, I know that you've got a lot of fans here at the Ostrich Farm.

01:04:56.200 They really appreciate you getting the message out here about the horrors that loom over this farm to a broader audience and really breaking down the legal stuff.

01:05:08.140 Because there are a lot of machinations in the legal system that lay people just don't understand and why would they want to.

01:05:16.640 You've done a really great job of helping us navigate that.

01:05:19.620 So we just appreciate you so much.

01:05:21.700 And I do have the luxury, the liberty, which also leads to the obligation of telling these politicians to go F themselves when they absolutely deserve it.

01:05:29.100 And I appreciate people living in Canada might not feel comfortable doing it.

01:05:33.560 I've lost that part of my inhibition.

01:05:35.400 But no, this one, this story, you get personally invested in stories.

01:05:38.880 And this one is outrageous.

01:05:40.380 And I've gotten to know Katie over the month.

01:05:42.380 I mean, I don't know how long it's been now, six months?

01:05:44.580 Yeah.

01:05:45.760 Indicative outrage of the absolute state of mind.

01:05:48.220 And it's infuriating that more citizens are not up in arms.

01:05:52.400 Not physical arms are not outraged as to what's going on.

01:05:56.120 Yeah, I agree.

01:05:57.580 I mean, this is not about ostriches.

01:06:00.980 You don't have to like ostriches.

01:06:02.560 You don't have to care about ostriches to really care about just the absolute government overreach in all directions happening here.

01:06:10.340 But, you know, it's a happy day.

01:06:12.540 And I've got to tell you, they never once lost hope here.

01:06:15.180 Despair never set in once here.

01:06:17.760 Everybody just was praying for their miracle and they got it today.

01:06:21.220 I'm happy to have more witness to it.

01:06:26.460 Lise, buddy, thank you so much.

01:06:28.420 Thanks for holding down the fort the last two days while I've been horrendously busy with Drea.

01:06:32.960 Appreciate you.

01:06:34.540 Oh, well, it's my pleasure.

01:06:36.460 Love you guys.

01:06:37.140 Thanks for being here.

01:06:39.920 Everybody at the team at Rebel News and around the world at Rebel News, I should tell you guys,

01:06:44.940 our Australian team is babysitting the ostrich live stream in the middle of the night while the Canadian crew is trying to get some sleep.

01:06:54.440 Special shout out to Drea and Efron and all of our web editors.

01:06:59.280 Everybody who works behind the scenes, we're just the ones on the ground, but there's a lot of moving pieces to get the news out to you.

01:07:05.040 We couldn't do any of this work without you.

01:07:07.320 If you care about the ostriches and you want to send a message to your politicians or support Drea's incredible journalism, go to savetheostriches.com.

01:07:17.400 I think that's it.

01:07:18.860 Thanks to everybody who pitches in.

01:07:20.080 Share the show, please.

01:07:22.020 Share it with your friends.

01:07:24.220 Engage with the content.

01:07:25.680 That's how we get around the censorship of the algorithm.

01:07:32.920 While Sheila's free, share the part about Trump.

01:07:37.560 Get Trump to tweet about this.

01:07:39.220 Get Trump to truth about this.

01:07:40.680 And that would be the game changer.

01:07:42.300 And hopefully get Rogan to talk about it.

01:07:44.160 Get Elon Musk to talk about it.

01:07:46.120 But that section with Trump, it's a challenge.

01:07:48.720 Make sure Trump understands this is an affront to his presidency and his administration's request.

01:07:53.700 Justify it as it was for these birds.

01:07:56.820 Agreed.

01:07:57.480 Agreed.

01:07:57.980 It would be great to have the Americans on board.

01:08:00.140 We're luring them in.

01:08:01.620 Viva, especially with you.

01:08:03.140 Thanks so much for being here.

01:08:04.420 I think we may have lost Sheila Gunn-Reed just at the end of the show.

01:08:08.400 So it'll be up to me to say goodbye.

01:08:10.780 Thanks so much for tuning in today, Canada.

01:08:12.740 And to our brand new international viewers, whether you be in Great Britain or Australia

01:08:17.100 or especially our friends in America, thanks so much for being here.

01:08:20.760 And we will see you back here, same place, same time, tomorrow.

01:08:23.740 I can hear the cars starting to arrive in the ferry lineup.

01:08:35.560 So I should run back over there.

01:08:37.240 But it would appear I've got a little bit of time to wait.

01:08:40.040 But I do want to make this as normal a gun show as usual, even though I'm standing in front of a lake waiting on a ferry in the middle of British Columbia.

01:08:52.920 And as you know, the last portion of the show is yours.

01:08:55.520 So if you want to send me letters about the show, you can send it to Sheila at rebelnews.com.

01:09:02.460 Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me.

01:09:06.040 And today's letters, I have it on my other phone.

01:09:10.520 This one is from Olivia Knutson.

01:09:14.080 And she says that she's loving our Western Wednesdays.

01:09:19.180 That's Western Wednesdays on the live stream.

01:09:21.620 We call it the Buffalo Panel, where myself from northeastern Alberta and Lees from Regina bring in two Western-focused guests.

01:09:32.100 And we spend the first half hour and sometimes the whole show talking about Western issues.

01:09:38.480 And Olivia says, loving your Western Wednesdays and all the great work you guys do bringing us the truth about what is going on in the world.

01:09:48.200 My husband is working for a farmer in Manitoba.

01:09:51.080 And we are trying to figure out how we could get out of the city and onto a little farm of our own.

01:09:55.780 I cannot recommend it enough.

01:09:58.440 And as it would appear, being a farmer is an act of civil disobedience in 2025 Canada.

01:10:04.840 We are concerned with what is going on around us and would love to see Manitoba show up more often in your reports.

01:10:11.220 Well, that's a great idea.

01:10:12.940 Stay tuned.

01:10:13.500 And I'm considering dedicating an episode of the show to Manitoba and Saskatchewan issues like once a month on the gun show.

01:10:28.540 Manitoba often feels like the middle child that gets forgotten as we don't fit in with the East or the West.

01:10:33.460 And yet those areas' decisions affect us deeply.

01:10:36.660 I completely agree with you.

01:10:37.900 You're a little bit close to Ontario, but you're also very Saskatchewan in your ways, just depending on which part of the province that you're in.

01:10:47.340 Well, guys, thanks for being with me.

01:10:50.280 And also a special thank you to the team back in Toronto.

01:10:55.520 And to Mary Ugolini, who has been filling in on my other non-on-camera duties.

01:11:02.480 She has been doing all of her work.

01:11:04.620 Again, part of mine is I do my best to help out Drea in British Columbia.

01:11:08.320 But I'm on my way home right now because there's a stay in place.

01:11:11.200 Drea is still there because, you know, things might pop off there. 0.99

01:11:14.580 I'm going to go home, regroup, check on my family, grab a bigger trailer, deal with our Starlink issue because I'm ready to come back in full force in a moment's notice.

01:11:28.560 Well, everybody, that's the show for today.

01:11:32.560 Thank you so much for tuning in.

01:11:34.000 And I'll see everybody back in the same time, definitely not in this same place.

01:11:38.460 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

01:11:41.680 And I'll see you next time, great time.

01:11:50.140 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - September 24, 2025

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Gunn Show – LIVE from Universal Ostrich Farms

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