Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Left has been training activists for years—now the Right is doing it

00:00:00.000 activist training for climate skeptics it's about time i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show

00:00:30.000 did you know that every single year al gore brings climate radicals to tennessee to train

00:00:46.080 them how to be climate activists to advance public policy on issues of the climate scare

00:00:54.400 they are taught speaking techniques they are taught how to turn up at public hearings to advance

00:01:03.340 al gore's and time's agenda there's never really been all that much balance or training for the

00:01:11.980 other side to train normal people to show up at town halls to advance the agenda of normalcy to

00:01:21.760 advance the agenda of life-affirming fossil fuels how they won't spell the end of the earth they

00:01:29.380 will help us live longer than ever before why hasn't anybody really thought about doing this in an

00:01:36.260 organized way before well thankfully somebody has that is my friend tom harris from the international

00:01:44.940 climate science coalition canada and he joins me today to talk about a new organization he's been

00:01:51.260 working with to replicate something he did in the city of ottawa to other towns and cities and

00:01:58.260 possibly across the country take a lesson

00:02:01.340 i wanted to have tom on to bring us up to speed on a new initiative he's working on

00:02:10.700 and we were talking off air about how we need to lead politicians sort of in the right direction

00:02:17.280 sometimes they don't really know what we care about until we tell them one of the things that

00:02:22.580 made ralph klein so successful was he said show me which way the parade is marching and i'll jump in

00:02:28.860 front of it and lead it and so as citizens we have to do that uh we saw this with pierr polyev he

00:02:34.760 didn't really say anything about parents rights until there were parents rights rallies all across

00:02:39.420 the country he knew that all of a sudden his voters cared about this stuff he had to be told and so part of what

00:02:45.600 tom's doing if i understand correctly and he'll tell us is that he is helping citizens tell politicians

00:02:50.940 that they want sensible climate policy tom thanks for coming on the show tell us about this new group

00:02:58.240 that just launched in canada and your role within it yeah sure it's a group called canadians for

00:03:03.900 sensible climate policy which sounds like a pretty sensible group and cscp and their website is

00:03:10.240 sensible change.ca sensible change.ca you know they are an interesting group because what they're

00:03:16.960 trying to do is not reinvent the wheel and do what we're already doing with friends of science and

00:03:21.520 icsc canada they actually have a website that acts as kind of a pool where it pulls together great sources

00:03:28.480 of information all you know from all sorts of places and what you do and what we're encouraging people

00:03:34.180 to do is to register as a pathfinder because on their home page there's a button you can click and

00:03:40.180 it says register as pathfinder and once you become a pathfinder you will be directed eventually through

00:03:46.500 artificial intelligence to all kinds of information that relates to what you are personally interested

00:03:52.180 in you know and this is one of the things that really attracted me to cscp you know they're they're

00:03:57.460 actually working to to help people so when you actually register as a policy as a pathfinder it

00:04:03.700 asks you various questions what are your interests in different things and what do you believe about

00:04:08.260 certain things and that thing is stored by the system and the long-term result will be that those

00:04:13.860 people are forwarded information that supports the things they're interested in and you know they're

00:04:19.060 trying to actually change the information uh that's available to the public okay to give them

00:04:25.220 a fair amount of information that will allow them to actually fight back and understand what's really

00:04:29.780 going on and i'll just read a couple of their objectives cscp's website enables a curious surfer to

00:04:36.100 access directly all the bank known websites that offer realistic evidence about the present state

00:04:41.540 of climate in all regions of the globe and here's the thing that really attracted me cscp that's canadians

00:04:48.100 for sensible climate policy provides training and coaching to those informed canadians who are willing to

00:04:53.940 speak out on the topic of whether the elimination of fossil fuels will achieve a benign climate in 2100

00:05:00.420 which of course it won't and you know the statistics they give here as they say the federal government

00:05:04.980 and custodians custodians of our savings and investment wealth are telling canadians the upfront cost of

00:05:11.220 implementing net zero at 2050 will be between fifty thousand and ninety thousand dollars per person okay now

00:05:19.780 that's more money than presently exists in our public pension funds now one of the things that that

00:05:26.180 really got them interested in me was what they had been doing in ottawa and you know it was interesting

00:05:32.260 because it turned out that ottawa like calgary has an insane climate plan and you know basically

00:05:39.460 people didn't know about it so i made a point through you you know rebel news and also through america

00:05:44.740 outland and other epoch times other sources starting to inform people but like you said at the beginning

00:05:50.580 what really matters to the politicians is where the parade is going and so i worked with a number of

00:05:57.380 ottawa's who were very keen on you know actually starting to lead the parade and actually there's

00:06:03.220 the parade in a certain direction and we have some video clips which i think were the things that got

00:06:08.980 cscp interested in uh contracting me uh to actually work with them on helping educate pathfinders

00:06:15.940 across canada eventually to begin with across ontario uh so the first one here actually is danielle mayo

00:06:24.180 okay she's a french canadian lady and she took a question that i worked on with her and she 0.99

00:06:29.380 personalized it and this is really important you have to own the question it's not just a matter

00:06:34.660 of reading the script from somebody else's question okay it's true that i helped you

00:06:38.980 her i got you know the information for her and and coached her but at the same time she took the

00:06:44.500 question and she changed it to be her question i'm a mother i'm a grandmother so yeah we'll play

00:06:49.940 it right now and you can see what i mean what i mean when i say a person who takes a question

00:06:54.820 and makes it theirs the city of ottawa plans to back up its wind and solar power using a huge amount

00:07:04.500 of batteries but we all know batteries are made using cobalt mined by children 40 to 100 000 children in 0.91

00:07:17.700 the congo this is destructive the cobalt is then shipped in china again disrupting human rights

00:07:31.140 the price tag is very hefty i'm a mother i'm a grandmother and i do not want to pay that price

00:07:42.100 is ottawa ready to support this the next person i wanted to show you uh it was interesting it was

00:07:49.300 another mayoral debate these are mayoral debates that happened in the city of ottawa a couple of years ago

00:07:54.260 during our mayoral election and it's quite curious because she went to the microphone you can tell she

00:08:00.180 she was a former teacher okay and it's great to have teachers on staff you're not on staff but uh on our

00:08:06.020 side because they actually ask questions that you know are very clear and easy to understand and we'll

00:08:11.540 play that one next because uh what it actually showed is the discomfort of the politician when

00:08:18.660 absolutely ludicrous policies are pointed out by the question so i won't say anymore i'll just let

00:08:24.580 that particular one play because she talks about where are you going to put 710 industrial wind

00:08:30.340 turbines taller than the peace tower and then watch the answer from the leading candidate for mayor who was

00:08:36.660 an extreme climate activist that's katherine mckinney and you can see how these questions start to

00:08:41.860 under under underride her authority or credibility in ontario there must be a distance of over

00:08:48.420 half a kilometer from a wind turbine to a residential dwelling where is ottawa going to put 710

00:08:55.620 industrial wind turbines taller than the peace tower and what about the millions of birds and bats that

00:09:02.900 these turbines kill after all one wind farm in california has killed thousands of golden eagles

00:09:10.260 plants okay candidate mckinney thank you um so i don't believe that there is space in this city for

00:09:23.140 a massive amount of wind turbines i just i just don't i know that it's part of energy evolution i know it's

00:09:28.980 part of the plan but i guess perhaps the way i i framed it the last time i really don't see it as being a

00:09:37.620 substantive part of the plant i don't honestly see wind farms occurring in the city i think that we have

00:09:46.420 other ways of of you know re like we have other ways of uh you know moving away from you know fossil

00:09:55.220 fuels we have other ways of reducing our greenhouse gases and making sure that we have better uh energy

00:10:01.140 uh products without wind so i just want to i just wanted to make that clear yeah thanks now you'll

00:10:07.860 notice something really interesting sheila the candidate mckinney actually backed off on wind

00:10:13.300 turbines right she she said oh well it's it's not really that big part of the plan you know it's

00:10:19.060 but it was these people have never actually thought about what their stupid ideas mean to the

00:10:26.980 people that have to live with them and that's what that lady did is she made catherine mckinney 1.00

00:10:32.900 who i think part of these debates really did nuke her candidacy for mayor she was a favorite oh yeah 1.00

00:10:40.100 they're saying oh you know we're gonna save the earth we're gonna build all these wind turbines and

00:10:44.820 then the little people who have to live underneath these three-armed crucifixes um you know they when

00:10:51.460 they say hey i have to live underneath that droning noise and light yeah um you know shove it back in

00:10:58.660 their faces mckinney's not going to have to live underneath these things well yeah exactly especially

00:11:03.140 for people in rural areas you know this is the water that is in um east or sorry um west lincoln yeah

00:11:11.700 west lincoln ontario what happened is the the water was pristine for generations but when they drove the

00:11:19.380 piles through into the black shale which was under the water table it broke the black shale into the

00:11:26.180 water table and now it's not you can't drink it so i mean there's all kinds of problems with wind

00:11:30.260 turbines and you know people say oh it's way out in the country you know it's not going to bother

00:11:33.940 anybody well no actually some of those aquifers are huge and you start busting the black shale into

00:11:39.540 the um into the by the way it was chatham that's right this is from chatham chatham ontario but the

00:11:45.540 other thing of course is the infrasound you know the low frequency sound that penetrates solid walls

00:11:51.300 goes right through your body makes people sick makes people dizzy heart palpitations all kinds

00:11:56.580 of things so yeah when you start having average citizens start to speak out and say i'm not so

00:12:02.260 sure about this so she backed off in that last answer that we were just watching she backed off and

00:12:07.620 you know the fact is she actually contradicted herself because wind turbines are a major part of

00:12:13.220 ottawa's plans in fact it's three times as much as solar so the i so you have to sort of ask yourself

00:12:18.980 she's kind of giggling she says oh haha you know i don't really think they're going to play a major

00:12:23.700 role well you say then why did you pass the climate change master plan and the energy evolution that

00:12:30.180 make a major role you know yeah now the next one is that same teacher who actually spoke at a

00:12:37.860 committee meeting you could do it by zoom and she did it by zoom and i love her question because

00:12:43.860 you can see one of the counselors uh kavanaugh i guess her name is uh she kind of smiles because

00:12:48.660 she realizes that the questioner caught them okay so i won't say any more but it's it's not very clear

00:12:54.660 video because of the fact that she was doing it from home but the audio is completely clear and being

00:12:59.460 a teacher of course it's very easy to understand but i think it's worth playing that because it shows how

00:13:05.860 yeah you think it's such a great idea why don't you do it and then tell us how good it is

00:13:11.540 can you tell us about any other city of a million or more population that has successfully followed

00:13:17.140 the sort of transportation related climate and energy plans being planned for ottawa

00:13:21.860 if no such example exists why not carry out a pilot study on a small subset of ottawa's population

00:13:30.260 perhaps composed of the members of this committee or city employees who are promoting the plan

00:13:35.780 such a study would entail all participants switching over to an electric vehicle and an electric home

00:13:42.980 heating and only commuting by transit walking and cycling participants could also commit to

00:13:49.140 retrofitting their homes in accordance with the plans the city now wants us all to follow

00:13:54.340 then after a reasonable time frame they could report to the committee their experiences during the

00:13:59.780 trial period to better inform you on the likely real impacts of city city's plans were they to be

00:14:07.060 carried out on the whole of ottawa if a student were to approach me with suggestions that the class

00:14:12.740 switch over to a radically new way of learning i would ask have you tried it yourself if their answer

00:14:19.060 was no then i would tell them to try it out and let me know how things went similarly as this committee to

00:14:26.740 do your homework before further considering compelling the whole city to radically change the way we live

00:14:34.900 thank you thank you very much for your delegation i'm just seeing if any committee members have

00:14:40.740 questions it doesn't appear so thank you for being here so i mean that's the question eight if the can't

00:14:46.740 if the actual um committee members are not prepared to do the things themselves that they want all of us to

00:14:53.860 do you have to say uh like this teacher said she said look if a student had a new idea and it was

00:15:01.460 radically transforming the way we learned ask them you tried it out yourself and if the answer was no

00:15:07.380 she'd send them away to do their homework and you know that kind of answer is is uh that kind of question 0.98

00:15:12.900 of course is is ideal now the last video i wanted to show is interesting because to be a pathfinder it

00:15:19.380 just means that you're getting information okay it doesn't mean that you have to speak out but what

00:15:24.900 you can do then is you can stay up to date on the field and you can support those who do speak out

00:15:30.500 and that's why i included the next little video clip the next video clip is the conclusion of my

00:15:35.540 delegation to the ottawa city environment and climate change committee now remember these meetings are not

00:15:42.500 supposed to have a cheerleading crowd they're supposed to be very quiet the audience isn't supposed to say

00:15:48.500 anything at all and yet we oh man there must have been at least three dozen supporters i i did not

00:15:55.220 organize this okay they just heard i was giving a delegation and 36 or 40 i don't know brave souls

00:16:02.020 showed up and they broke all the committee rules and they cheered and whistled and everything else at

00:16:06.980 the end of my delegation and then again is just like what you said about klein the counselors say

00:16:12.580 oh wow i guess lots of people agree with that so let's play that one and i think people will get

00:16:18.420 a kick out of the reaction and what was supposed to be a very quiet polite audience that don't react

00:16:26.340 we'd be pleased to meet with any of you personally and to present our findings to a committee or to the

00:16:32.580 full capsule we're convinced that following ottawa's plans will leave us bankrupt hungry and freezing in

00:16:40.020 the dark for no environmental benefit i look forward to your comments and questions okay thank you very

00:16:55.060 so there we go i mean you can actually go and support other people who are speaking out so

00:16:59.940 register to be a pathfinder click on the button find the link and you'll be actually given information

00:17:06.340 by cscp to help you learn about the field but also to go and help people who are prepared to speak out

00:17:12.660 okay i mean i think that is the key is that we have to show them support if you you know it's interesting

00:17:17.460 if you go to a party and you're the one person saying this unusual thing it doesn't go over so well

00:17:23.220 but if everybody says yeah i agree i agree yeah whoever's listening is going to take it much more

00:17:28.740 seriously so i mean this is one of alinsky's rules you know saying alinsky wrote rules for radicals

00:17:34.260 and you know it's interesting that i mean that's how the left took over our institutions if you read

00:17:38.740 rules for radicals it's the playbook mary clinton did her graduating thesis on sol alinsky so we have to

00:17:45.460 use the same tactics and one of them is if your group's small you have to raise a din you have to make

00:17:51.620 a lot of noise you have to actually make meetings and cheer for people who say what you think is correct

00:17:57.460 okay and it gives the impression that you're much bigger than you are but in many cases you are a big

00:18:02.020 group most people just don't speak out i i think sheila that there's been a complacency on the part of

00:18:08.500 a lot of conservatives over the last few decades i mean they were on the inside and uh well now they're

00:18:14.820 not it's the other side that's on the inside so you should use alinsky's rules to fight back against

00:18:20.020 them well and you know i think people have really learned the rule the lesson of the convoy right

00:18:27.700 there were a lot of people who generally felt alone they felt like maybe maybe i'm crazy for thinking

00:18:34.740 that the lines on the grocery store don't prevent covet that it only goes counterclockwise

00:18:39.940 or something like that yeah and you know you were there were people who were scared to speak out

00:18:45.940 but then tamara leach stood up and then people piled out onto the overpasses to greet the trucks 1.00

00:18:52.420 and the trucks kept rolling and the trucks kept rolling and then tens of thousands of people are on

00:18:57.220 the streets of ottawa saying you know what no more and it does take one person to stand up one person

00:19:04.340 to be that tamara leach and everybody knows that it's okay to think differently too and i think that's

00:19:10.580 an important psychological effect of this project that you're doing yeah that's right and you know

00:19:16.020 one of the other things is that many people are reluctant to go to the microphone in these public

00:19:20.420 events they say well i won't be first you know well no that's wrong you should be first there's a

00:19:25.860 couple of reasons for it first of all you break the ice you bring up a topic that many people in the

00:19:31.140 audience probably agree with but are afraid to say if you go to the mic early in the discussion period

00:19:36.420 and you say you know i don't think this climate change thing is worth spending you know four

00:19:41.060 thousand dollars a year which is the kind of income that we're talking about you know by this net zero

00:19:47.220 stuff i mean for the average family i calculated that it's something approaching four thousand dollars

00:19:52.340 per year uh before tax income that you're going to lose and you know when someone goes to the mic or

00:19:57.780 calls into a talk radio show early in the program you find that other people follow so so i mean

00:20:03.700 there's a very good strategic reason to get to the mic as soon as possible there's also a psychological

00:20:08.820 reason because it's a great relief when you've done it and then you sit down and you say i did my job

00:20:15.780 because this is stressful i mean it is stressful to get up and actually say things that are politically

00:20:20.660 incorrect even though they're scientifically right so it does two things it gets you off the hot seat

00:20:26.500 and then you can enjoy the rest of the meeting it also breaks the ice and you find other people

00:20:31.620 follow you so you know the thing i did in ottawa is i read stanielinski's rules for radicals i'd

00:20:36.820 never read it before which is pretty negligent on my part but i read it and i said wow this is the blueprint

00:20:43.460 for how we can get back into power how we can actually start to influence the political process

00:20:49.620 and so you'll notice in the videos uh that i just showed that in many cases we're employing

00:20:56.100 stanielinski's rules yeah okay one of the things we did and i think it's really important is rogers tv

00:21:02.820 were assigned the job of actually videotaping the debates and they were apparently in support of

00:21:10.020 mckinney because there were a couple of questions asked in uh some of the debates which made her look

00:21:16.340 really stupid i mean really stupid or dishonest or not doing her job so i should say no you wouldn't take 0.81

00:21:22.900 it out you'd leave it in we would leave it in and then for sure you'd highlight it so rogers removed

00:21:29.540 it and we had seen a little bit of this in the early debates where they didn't show all the questions

00:21:34.820 from the audience they chose which questions they would broadcast so that so that their listeners and

00:21:40.340 viewers would only see what they wanted them to see now i think that's probably against crtc reels i

00:21:45.460 mean if you have you know i think if you have a mandate or a contract whatever they had to uh

00:21:51.140 enter the debates i mean i don't think you're able to censor them but here's the question there was one

00:21:56.580 question that was asked it was really good it was by mindy thomas and uh happily we thought this might

00:22:02.740 happen the censorship so one of our friends actually videotaped himself the debates and we put those links

00:22:09.860 and they're actually on our website we put links to the videos that we captured to show what questions

00:22:16.100 rogers censored out and you know here's something i'll give you if you'll get a kick out of not that

00:22:21.220 many people watch community tv so i mean if if rogers no if rogers tv had broadcast it you know maybe 500

00:22:28.740 people in the city would have seen those inconvenient questions but that is enough to flip some some

00:22:33.700 some districts oh yeah yeah what we did was this and this was actually quite fun actually we took the

00:22:40.980 videos we put them on our website and then i read an article for pj media about the censorship now pj media

00:22:47.940 gets about five million readers a month and we estimated that there were tens of thousands of people

00:22:54.420 that saw the censored videos because they were censored because people want to see what they're not

00:23:00.260 allowed to see so they kind of shot rise and effect strikes again oh yeah so people were saying well

00:23:06.820 what was the questions that we weren't allowed to see so we estimate that probably a hundred times more

00:23:11.860 people saw the questions that were censored than would have seen it if they weren't censored yeah so

00:23:18.980 now the thing i have to emphasize is these auto ones are self-motivated people a number of them are

00:23:24.500 from action for canada okay action for canada amazing group under tanya go go to action for canada

00:23:30.180 dot com uh so they were doing these things on their own to a large extent but i mean i helped

00:23:34.660 them out in the background i didn't have to push though because they were they were going anyway

00:23:39.940 yeah um so so what cscp want to do is they want to replicate this oh i'm sorry i should tell you the

00:23:45.300 question that was canceled or at least one of them anyway it catherine mckinney in an effort to get 1.00

00:23:51.300 the wind turbine issue because it came up again after the lady we just saw she said well um wind turbines are

00:23:58.180 not a major part of the plan it's it's mainly solar and uh energy distribute well she said things that

00:24:04.980 didn't make any sense so mindy thomas went to the microphone and she read the quote and then she said

00:24:11.060 for mckinney she said that is deceptive and wrong it is wrong because the distribution issue has nothing

00:24:18.740 to do with the source it's just how you distribute the energy and it's deceptive because unlike what you said

00:24:25.460 about minimizing you know wind it's not much of the plan it's triple the plan for solar it's a massive

00:24:31.140 part of the plan so here's the question that mindy asked and this applies one of alinsky's rules which

00:24:37.220 is two two rules actually one is ridicule okay ridicule stings it really stings and it's worth doing

00:24:44.420 and the other is to personalize it in other words not just say the city vended for something that was

00:24:50.100 crazy they said you said you voted for something that's right so the question that mindy thomas asked

00:24:56.900 she said after reading mckinney's quote and then saying what was really in the plan which was totally

00:25:02.340 different did you vote for a 57 billion dollar plan with the reason first great and of course the audience

00:25:12.180 said oh well you know and of course she danced around didn't want to answer the question at all 0.99

00:25:17.940 and you know so that sort of thing uses alinsky's rules it uses common sense basically and it holds

00:25:26.020 the politician personally accountable so what's the scp want to do is when people fill in the pathfinder

00:25:32.740 form as i say they go into a database and when we start to uh teach people i'll be actually teaching

00:25:40.020 people not only the science and the economics and policy and stuff but also be teaching them how to be

00:25:45.300 effective in public public public events public speaking that sort of thing some of them you know

00:25:50.740 the more advanced pathfinders are called trailblazers and they're people who will actually give presentations

00:25:56.260 themselves okay and so we'll be helping you know cscp will be helping provide them with slides and that

00:26:01.540 sort of thing so there's actually a fair similarity between this and al gore's climate reality project

00:26:07.220 you know in al gore's case people go to tennessee and they're trained to be speakers well if cscp is

00:26:14.820 successful and i really hope it is because if we spread what happened in ottawa and we do it in other

00:26:20.260 cities across canada cscp has the potential to totally change the direction of the climate debate in in

00:26:27.860 canada and you know one of the objectives here is to actually uh stop these marxist policies that are

00:26:34.580 coming through you know cscp believe that if they don't stop them by january 2025 and i'm talking

00:26:40.740 about things like the climate aligned finance act the senate s243 we're also talking about bill c59

00:26:49.060 the greenwashing you know and and companies are just paranoid about that weren't you saying that

00:26:54.340 a lot of them are just caving in yeah yeah you know i wanted to talk to you about that um but i'm just

00:27:01.700 so happy to see that you are focusing on municipal politics when you do this but i think maybe the

00:27:07.220 municipal politics is um the training ground to roll this out maybe as we approach the next election

00:27:12.900 is that why you're doing this now yeah yeah well that's a good point and and also you've spoken

00:27:17.940 with michelle quite a lot about the cssb a canadian sustainable standards board i mean they are ludicrous

00:27:24.100 financial standards that will radically change the way we do business in canada and you know a crazy

00:27:29.620 example is a farmer who grows potatoes uh not only does he have to account for the greenhouse gas

00:27:36.660 emissions that he emits when he you know or she uh farms the potato they have to look at what are

00:27:42.740 called scope two emissions which are how is the electricity provided to them what are the emissions

00:27:47.940 produced there but and here's the thing that's really crazy and puts canada at a massive disadvantage

00:27:52.900 because the u.s aren't doing this is what are called scope three emissions how is the potato used

00:27:58.740 okay how does that right it's crazy because it actually makes the farmer responsible to account

00:28:05.700 for how the consumer gets to the shopping center to buy the potato and how they cook the potato what

00:28:11.780 they do with the bag they got the potato in i mean the farmer will be held responsible for this now

00:28:17.300 the big impact of course will be on the oil and gas industry because they have to then account for

00:28:21.940 how other products are used you know which is virtually an impossible uh administrative nightmare

00:28:27.940 i mean it's going to cost huge amounts and of course the big consulting companies love it because

00:28:32.580 they have great computer models that can you know forecast approximately how much scope three emissions

00:28:37.460 are going to do so it's going to make them an absolute fortune but um yeah so the main objective i i would

00:28:43.380 say overall of cscp is to gain public support and following and speaking out to end net zero by 2050

00:28:52.900 completely because net zero is a death knoll for not only the oil and gas industry but for all of us

00:28:59.540 because we rely on the oil and gas industry for our survival yeah now i wanted to talk to you about

00:29:06.900 bill c59 because you just touched on it and that is the anti-greenwashing bill but really as uh premier

00:29:12.740 daniel smith has said it's a gag order on the oil patch and anybody who says nice things about

00:29:18.980 life-affirming fossil fuels which includes you um and they're doing this through the competition act

00:29:25.620 they are saying that you know you're it's false advertising to say that fossil fuels save lives

00:29:32.420 because they do it could just try living without them but what we're seeing now the panic in the oil

00:29:39.940 patch by the way you touched on this also canadian association of petroleum producers pulls down

00:29:45.380 their website folds turtles leaves the battle to people like you friends of science alliance pathways

00:29:51.460 alliance too they shut her down and then they say the little guy basically the the battlefield is now

00:29:57.540 tom harris's robbie picard's michelle sterling's battlefield these guys have millions of dollars and

00:30:03.700 all the big paid lawyers and it's your problem all of a sudden um but you have been fighting with the

00:30:09.700 the left the green left at the competition bureau before they did this to michelle sterling once they

00:30:16.900 did yeah and i got my competition bureau here yeah they went after us they were we were accused now the

00:30:25.140 competition bureau didn't have to launch an investigation they could have said that this is stupid this is stupid yeah

00:30:29.700 stupid yeah yeah we were accused of looking out to the public to please our donors now of course that

00:30:37.220 didn't make any sense because first of all our donors are confidential nobody knows who donates to us

00:30:41.700 we don't want to inflict on our donors hate mail and you know death threats and things like that that

00:30:46.820 our scientists get so the last thing we're going to do is say who funded us but the other thing of

00:30:51.940 course is we don't lie to the public we say what we think is true so you know and it's funny because

00:30:57.060 chris essex who is one of the advisors of icsc uh he actually said look the competition act doesn't

00:31:03.940 apply to the marketplace of ideas you know i mean it shouldn't be applied to that it's for things like

00:31:11.060 if you say oh my toothpaste uh you know it stops cancer or my competitor's toothpaste causes cancer i mean

00:31:19.700 those kinds of things are part of the competition act and that makes a lot of sense but uh and so what

00:31:25.060 happened in my case was they launched an investigation strangely and you know i got email

00:31:30.020 or i got letters registered mail you know saying keep all your records tell all of your contractors

00:31:34.980 to keep all their records make sure that nothing is deleted this is a serious investigation and of

00:31:39.940 course they talk about all the possible penalties which are pretty severe and um nothing happened and

00:31:46.420 then i get another letter saying you're still under investigation so none of it was the penalty is the

00:31:52.260 process because that process yeah that process went on for 15 months until eventually they just

00:31:59.220 dropped it but when they dropped it they said let's assure that this can be reopened at any time

00:32:04.500 now it is interesting sheila i'd been operating with icsc since 2008 it was only a few months after

00:32:11.620 justin judo came in that this competition bureau uh threat against us and friends of science and others

00:32:17.940 uh that that all came in you know three months or something after he came came in as prime minister

00:32:23.220 now there's supposed to be an independent bureau but it's kind of coincidental that i could operate

00:32:28.500 for seven years and never have it go ahead of the competition bureau go after us but then as soon as

00:32:33.700 justin comes in damn you know you're under investigation i didn't do anything fortunately i was advised

00:32:40.100 by a lawyer look don't fight back don't aggravate them don't do anything eventually they'll conclude they

00:32:44.900 have more important things to do more realistic things to do and they'll drop it and they did

00:32:50.180 you know people can look up though on the web and i'll i'll send you the link um anthony fury

00:32:55.460 who was at the sun media chain at the time yeah he thought this was something that was worth publicizing

00:33:01.380 after it was closed so we did we i wrote an article called big brother watched me it was right in

00:33:07.060 1984 and he got it published from you know in all the sun chain which i'm sure gave him a bit of a black

00:33:12.900 eye probably somebody inside the competition bureau said what the heck i mean you know this

00:33:17.620 is a useful agency if it's used properly right but not like this yeah they went after friends of

00:33:26.420 science for saying that perhaps the big burning ball of gas in the sky plays a role in the heating

00:33:32.180 and the cooling of the planet yeah they went after friends of science for that who went after you again

00:33:37.060 which green was the competition bureau oh it was god yeah you know who filed the complaint

00:33:43.300 well it's signed by deputy commissioner of competition well that's the one that was a

00:33:49.380 discontinuance of an inquiry and the first one was you know the big one the letters with all

00:33:55.940 of this commencement of an inquiry pursuant to section nine of the competition act blah blah blah

00:34:00.820 you know that with the penalties and everything that was signed by assistant deputy commissioner

00:34:05.380 commissioner of competition um so they were very official about it yeah so actually i learned a bit

00:34:12.820 you know i guess i could write my own 1984 but yeah you're pretty stressed out i was actually at the

00:34:18.180 paris climate agreement and this thing came out and i actually called the competition bureau personally

00:34:24.100 on the phone i said you know i'm kind of worried about this because i know this is very serious but

00:34:29.060 you know we're not lying nobody knows who our donors are and they were kind of nice on the

00:34:34.980 phone but they continued the investigation for 15 months you know i i just wanted to say one thing

00:34:39.860 quickly and that is why cscp is important right now yes there there's a huge um window of opportunity

00:34:48.980 right now because in the european union there have been a big beddling on the climate issue a lot of

00:34:56.020 people are starting to question it and you probably noticed there was a huge loss of power by the green

00:35:01.540 parties and you know so people are starting to become a lot more practical uh and i think that

00:35:07.380 is is a really good thing there's another thing and that was of course the federal carbon tax and here's

00:35:11.780 the total price tag they're saying now that well the government's own agency said that uh by 2030

00:35:18.580 the adverse impact of the carbon tax and clean fuel standards is more than 25 billion dollars a year

00:35:25.780 okay that's another one and and this one here and this is worth actually spending a minute on if you

00:35:30.980 don't mind three of the world's most renowned physicists okay uh william happer uh coonan and

00:35:37.860 richard lindsen they wrote a brief to the hague court of appeals and this is available on the cscp website

00:35:46.180 it's well worth reading and they concluded again these are some of the most renowned physicists in

00:35:52.420 the world they said the unipcc is not a scientific organization because it does not follow the

00:35:58.580 scientific method and here's what they said in our opinion the district court of the hague findings

00:36:04.420 that quote dangers unquote climate change and extreme weather are caused by co2 emissions from

00:36:09.300 fossil fuels are contradicted by the scientific method and only supported by the unscientific methods

00:36:16.100 of government opinion consensus peer-reviewed and cherry-picked or falsified data i mean you

00:36:22.500 can't get more definite than that they're saying the whole thing is wrong and they're saying the

00:36:27.060 results would include mass starvation if we try to get to net zero the biggest consequences being on

00:36:33.860 the poor now all 27 pages of that briefing uh to the hague court is on the website at sensiblechange.ca

00:36:42.900 so i really really encourage people take a look so you know with leading experts speaking out with

00:36:49.140 the public starting to say i don't know about this and and massive defeat for the green party this is

00:36:55.940 a great opportunity for cscp to actually get going and to take what i did in ottawa and what the citizens

00:37:02.820 here did because as i say some of them didn't require any push from me you know like that 36 or

00:37:08.500 40 or whatever that came and gave the applause after i spoke that's a big surprise actually you

00:37:13.540 know i thought oh i'm gonna get booed here you know it was wonderful so yeah sit average citizens

00:37:21.700 properly trained happy you know very motivated uh very brave and that's where action for canada

00:37:27.620 people are wonderful because they have this built-in armor you know they're they they feel they're

00:37:33.060 protected of course by god so they go up and they you know it's interesting daniel mayo i'll

00:37:38.100 just tell you a real quick story about her she was the first video i showed um i said to her afterwards

00:37:44.020 because remember this isn't even her first language for her to go to the mic and do that is pretty

00:37:48.180 awesome i said to her wow where did you get the courage to do that and she said well before i went

00:37:53.300 to the microphone i left the room and i called a friend and we prayed together so when she went to the

00:38:00.260 mic she was completely centered and she nailed them really hard and there isn't time of course to 0.89

00:38:06.420 show the the counselor's answers but i mean mckinney was very uncomfortable uh what's she going to say

00:38:13.380 oh i don't care about the children we're going to electrify the city or is she going to say oh i guess

00:38:18.100 we're not going to electrify the city and you know haram singh who was another candidate he said

00:38:23.140 i'm not going to lie to you but i don't know so yeah i mean i think that all of this demonstrates

00:38:32.340 that we can win we just have to have the courage to do it right well and i think there's a huge

00:38:37.860 opportunity as we approach the 2025 federal election here in canada um because i think it was legé polling

00:38:47.140 a couple of months ago the number one issue for young people of course it's not climate change

00:38:53.380 it's never been climate change no matter what the media or the liberals but i'm probably repeating

00:38:57.460 myself by making a distinction there what they say it's affordability young people are saying i am

00:39:05.220 never going to be able to afford what my parents have and if somebody is out there personalizing the

00:39:11.780 issue at the microphone and putting together these wacky climate policies and how they affect you and

00:39:17.700 pick your pocket it will change hearts and minds of young people because they are struggling with

00:39:22.420 affordability you need to tell them the cause of the affordability crisis right yeah well that's

00:39:28.260 interesting because so many people tell me oh i'm not interested in climate change i'm interested in

00:39:33.140 buying a house i'm interested in you yeah and you say yeah well then you'd be interested in climate

00:39:40.020 change because at least climate change policy because that's going to stop you from owning a

00:39:44.980 house that's going to massively you know cripple your yourself financially and you know it the climate

00:39:51.220 issue has permeated through so many areas in our society i mean it's really sick it's affecting safety

00:39:58.020 it's affecting all kinds of things you know that people don't see on the surface it's changing the

00:40:02.740 building code which makes houses more expensive it changes land use bylaws which makes building that house

00:40:08.740 more expensive permitting the house more expensive electrifying the house more expensive everything

00:40:13.700 that a young person sees when they just want to start her home add tens and tens and tens of thousands

00:40:19.140 of dollars onto the top of that house after justin trudeau's inflationary policies that's what climate

00:40:25.380 change policies do to the young people well totally and one of the questions that rogers cancelled out

00:40:31.140 actually gave the numbers the actual cost and then gave the impact for point zero zero zero zero one

00:40:38.420 degrees and the person said to the to the um candidates for mayor uh jay nara the very good outspoken

00:40:45.540 person bodybuilder so nobody was going to challenge him uh he said so you're expecting islands to pay

00:40:52.980 billions and billions of dollars you know bankrupting them making they can't afford all sorts of normal things

00:40:58.820 for a one ten thousandth of one degree change in in a hundred years like what the heck and of course

00:41:06.900 rogers took that out and of course we publicized the heck yeah we publicized the heck out of it so i mean

00:41:12.500 we're not just going to have you know csdp obviously is it has a lot on the science as much as anything

00:41:19.220 it has a lot in the finance and that's where i actually encourage people go to sensible change.ca

00:41:24.260 and take a look because they actually talk about the impact on the next generation and it will

00:41:31.220 cripple us financially you'll never own a home if they get through with all of this different stuff 0.92

00:41:37.380 tom i could talk to you forever uh both you and i are back from respective camping trips and we need

00:41:42.740 to get caught up on our regular work yeah i'm all sunburned here me too um tell us how people can

00:41:50.820 stay on top of the work that you're doing at international climate science coalition canada

00:41:56.100 where they can hear your podcast at america out loud find some of your other work let us know

00:42:01.380 yeah for sure for the podcast it's pretty straightforward you just go to america out loud

00:42:05.700 dot news america out loud dot news and you click on podcasts and you click down you look at the other

00:42:12.020 side of the story you know and i've had you on there actually and it was fun i now have a new co-host

00:42:18.740 his name's todd royal nobody's going to ever replace jay lair sadly of course he died a year and a half

00:42:24.260 ago yeah but um todd royal is my new co-host and todd is an energy expert from texas he's also a former

00:42:31.540 actor okay he actually was in hollywood and so he's a wonderful guy to have on you know i might go through

00:42:37.700 all the facts he goes through the empathy and you know i understand how you feel so it's a good

00:42:43.140 combination our website is icsc-canada.com but i really really direct people to sensible change

00:42:50.820 dot ca because quite frankly i think that with that particular project that i'm working with them on

00:42:57.140 to help train people in other parts of canada i think that's going to become my major activity

00:43:01.700 sheila i think so too i think it's exactly what the other side of the climate debate our side of the

00:43:08.340 climate debate needs we know that they have summer training camps for the left oh yeah and we we're

00:43:14.660 just too busy going to work and maybe getting in the odd camping trip because who can afford an actual

00:43:19.220 vacation in justin trudeau's canada they have summer training camps to equip these people with the tools

00:43:26.420 to direct public policy and we're just going to work and struggling to pay the bills and you know it's

00:43:33.380 really rewarding i mean there was one particular public event that i couldn't go to but a number

00:43:37.860 of the people that were you know sort of in our team it was a kind of loose team um they said they

00:43:43.700 went okay so we had about six six people go and they called me and we had a joint phone call and it was

00:43:49.620 like kids in a candy shop they were so excited to say oh we did this and then i got up and supported him

00:43:54.580 and and we all sat separately so nobody knew that we were related in any way and we just totally crashed

00:44:00.740 the meeting and you know you could actually have a lot of fun doing this stuff especially if you're

00:44:05.380 as brave as action for canada so it's it's very rewarding for me it's kind of like when you know

00:44:12.340 when you're when your daughter or your son does something fantastic that you help them learn how to do

00:44:17.460 like your daughter playing rugby yeah it really makes you feel good and when i see people that i've

00:44:24.180 helped train and just take the world by storm i think oh man that is so great especially when this

00:44:32.260 when you know it's it's people very different to me who bring their own sort of touch to it i mean

00:44:37.540 that is really neat and that's why i really like danielle mayo's approach yeah i remember during the

00:44:43.780 northern gateway pipeline hearings the left had this uh strategy of mobbing the mic they would show up at all

00:44:52.580 the hearings and it was called mob the mic they would uh monopolize the mic and our side didn't even

00:44:59.300 show up like they're over there taking the mic directing public policy creating this image that

00:45:06.740 there are a lot more of them than of us because they were louder and we didn't even show up so

00:45:12.340 hopefully your initiative and your work on this inspires people to engage in public activism public

00:45:20.820 policy and not just holding a sign and marching in the streets but going and speaking truth to

00:45:25.140 power to these politicians because let me tell you that is part of my job here and that hit of

00:45:29.700 adrenaline you feel before you hold a politician to account the politician is feeling it way worse

00:45:36.100 why because they have never had to face a person whose policies will hurt oh yeah they've never had

00:45:46.100 to answer for their policies to the people directly affected by them they don't like you being at the

00:45:51.620 public hearings so go to the public hearings and exactly that's right that's right so go to sensible

00:45:58.500 what change sorry get it right here sensible change.ca and register to be a pathfinder it doesn't commit

00:46:04.340 you to having to do anything but it means you'll be kept informed and you know we can win and we

00:46:09.940 demonstrated in ottawa i mean it had a big impact on the election um i'm not saying that we caused

00:46:15.140 mckinney to lose but boy we had a contribution i think mckinney caused mckinney to lose yes exactly

00:46:21.460 she wanted to spend a quarter of a billion dollars on bike paths at the same time where they were

00:46:26.420 turning people away from drug rehab centers yeah you know so i mean yeah she shot herself in the 0.99

00:46:30.900 foot in so many ways but these people very brave uh and i just hats off to them they're just wonderful

00:46:37.860 bunch of people well i think you're a wonderful bunch of people too tom thank you so much for coming

00:46:43.060 on the show um thanks for the work that you do advocating for families just like mine

00:46:48.180 and we'll have you back on again very soon

00:46:53.060 as always this is the portion of the show where you have your say because without you there's no

00:46:57.540 rebel news if you don't watch my stuff i don't have a job so i want to give you your chance to tell

00:47:04.580 me what you think about the work that we do here at rebel news and in particular the work that i do

00:47:08.980 on the gun show here it's why i give you my email address right now it's sheila at rebel news dot com

00:47:14.020 put gun show letters in the subject line send me an email you might just have your email read on air

00:47:20.820 but if you're watching free clips of the show over on youtube or on rumble go ahead leave a comment

00:47:27.540 over there i go looking over there too i don't want a monthly subscription to be your bar for entry for me

00:47:34.340 to care about what you have to say i want you to be able to consume the show at a price point that

00:47:39.700 works for your family and that shouldn't be a reason i don't care about your thoughts right

00:47:45.380 today's viewer feedback actually comes from youtube comments it comes on last week's show with my

00:47:49.700 friend robbie picard from oil sand strong about justin trudeau's gag order on the oil patch you might

00:47:54.980 not have heard about it's called bill c59 and it uses the competition bureau to silence what the liberals

00:48:03.780 describe as greenwashing um by greenwashing they mean saying actual true things about the oil patch

00:48:13.140 basically they're saying it's false advertising if you say that fossil fuels are life-affirming that

00:48:17.540 the oil patch is reduced emissions 30 percent over uh recent years that you will die without having

00:48:24.260 fossil fuels in your life that perhaps maybe even that they won't spell the end of all humankind and

00:48:30.580 that's not even something that the oil patch would be so radical as to say they usually just sort of go

00:48:36.420 along with the green agenda by buying wind turbines and saying look at us we're sun core we're so green we

00:48:47.060 have wind turbines well look at that it didn't save them anyway the oil patch capitulated to the

00:48:53.060 censorship as you know in the show um from my discussion with tom harris today but robbie is

00:49:01.140 not one to be silenced as you know in fact he's very it's very difficult to get a word in edgewise

00:49:06.340 with my friend robbie picard but anyway the comments are from robbie on the show last week and the comment

00:49:13.780 is from alkobum as you can tell i i take a lot of these at random i'm not screening you by username

00:49:22.820 folks out there alkobum or alchobum says if the oil and gas industry went on strike no oil no gas or

00:49:31.700 gasoline no chemicals no a lot of things and said mere production and delivery shows the benefits of oil

00:49:41.540 and gas of course and will lead us to being sued sanctioned and fined under bill c-59 therefore we

00:49:46.980 have no choice but to shut down have a wonderful day soon no fuel for trudeau to jet around yeah

00:49:54.500 i mean what did uh ralph klein say i'm not even sure it was ralph klein but he sort of got the credit

00:49:59.300 for it let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark it's a great idea in theory but if oil and gas

00:50:04.820 production stopped advocates like me and you and all the normal people who need fuel to get to work

00:50:11.540 to stay alive to electrify our homes to freeze our groceries that we bought on sale because

00:50:18.900 they're trying to fight inflation um we would pay the price if we could just turn off the fuel for

00:50:25.860 justin trudeau that would be one thing but if we turn off the fuel we turn off the fuel for all of us

00:50:31.220 and including including the oil and gas jobs right turn off the pumps

00:50:35.860 our husbands our fathers our sisters our mothers they don't go to work either in the oil patch but

00:50:44.340 also anywhere else so great in theory if we can only get justin trudeau uh to stop jetting around

00:50:50.580 but unfortunately it's all of us too i think the only thing that we can do is mass resistance to this

00:50:58.660 nonsense don't let people like tom and michelle sterling and uh robbie picard fight justin trudeau's

00:51:05.940 censorship alone we must all speak up you know i'm spartacus no i'm spartacus no i'm spartacus

00:51:13.140 they can't silence us all so let us all speak up even if you don't care about the oil patch maybe you

00:51:19.380 care about freedom truth reality stand up speak out against bill c59 well everybody that's the show for

00:51:26.660 tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same place next week

00:51:31.220 possibly the same time depends on when i record right and as always don't let the government

00:51:36.180 tell you that you've had too much to think

Rebel News Podcast - July 04, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Left has been training activists for years—now the Right is doing it

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