Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Liberals didn't allocate any money for their so-called gun buyback program in their latest budget

00:00:00.000 What's Justin Trudeau's latest gun grab going to do to the shooting sports here in Canada?

00:00:04.660 Well, we asked the executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association exactly that question.

00:00:09.840 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:12.140 I know a lot of people in Canada see firearms rights as exclusively a gun issue, but it's really not.

00:00:37.440 Let me explain this to you in a different way.

00:00:39.220 Imagine you wake up one day after minding your own business and obeying the speed limit

00:00:46.120 to find out that your car has been outlawed because a car that was the same color of your car has killed somebody in Toronto.

00:00:58.240 And that car that killed somebody in Toronto, it was stolen from its lawful owner,

00:01:04.540 or it was stolen in the United States and then brought across the border

00:01:08.800 and then used to run over somebody in the commission of a crime in Toronto.

00:01:13.980 But you, out here in Alberta or wherever you might be,

00:01:18.920 you have to be held accountable for it because your car and that car were both blue.

00:01:25.460 That's what's happening to gun owners here in Canada. 0.91

00:01:28.800 It's crazy.

00:01:29.900 And then it gets even worse because as a taxpayer, you don't own a car.

00:01:34.200 But you have to, as a taxpayer, foot the bill for the government to compensate me for the car that they just made illegal.

00:01:45.020 Again, that's what's happening to Canadian gun owners.

00:01:49.380 It doesn't make any sense when you explain it that way.

00:01:52.620 But there is such stigma around guns, at least according to the government and the people on the left of the political spectrum,

00:02:02.640 that they can get away with saying and doing these crazy things and scapegoating people for crimes they didn't commit.

00:02:10.240 Which is why I think it's so important to have so many robust advocacy groups advocating for gun owners like me here in Canada.

00:02:19.060 So today joining me is Tony Bernardo from the Canadian Shooting Sports Association in a long, long, long overdue interview.

00:02:27.160 Take a listen.

00:02:34.700 So joining me now is Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association

00:02:39.940 and it's been a while since Tony was on the show.

00:02:43.500 A couple of years, I'm embarrassed about that because there's so much to talk about in gun grab news, I suppose, and in the gun rights space.

00:02:54.340 So, Tony, I promise I'll have you back on again very soon.

00:02:57.960 I won't wait years before I have you back on the show.

00:03:00.320 And one of the things I want to do here is to bring on different people from the different gun rights advocacy groups.

00:03:07.760 Because although the liberals say this about anything, I really think we're all in this together.

00:03:12.820 And this is a fight where, you know, I don't think it really matters what gun rights organization you're with.

00:03:19.680 The liberals are going to snatch your guns.

00:03:22.160 That's just what liberals do. 0.99

00:03:24.240 So, Tony, tell us a little bit for those people who don't know, what is the Canadian Shooting Sports Association?

00:03:31.580 Okay, well, we're an advocacy group for firearms owners, but we do a lot of other things like provide high-quality training, shooting range protocols and procedures.

00:03:44.260 And we do this right across Canada.

00:03:45.840 We have members in every province and territory.

00:03:49.380 We have gun clubs right across the entire country.

00:03:53.060 And we're a nice, stable organization.

00:03:56.920 We've been around for 62 years.

00:04:00.420 We've got some conspicuous successes to our work.

00:04:05.720 One was the cessation of the long gun registry.

00:04:10.440 And the other one was the elimination of ATTs.

00:04:14.240 And the liberals have brought all that stuff back.

00:04:16.480 But that doesn't mean we didn't get rid of it.

00:04:18.120 It took years to do that.

00:04:19.720 And there's more coming.

00:04:22.880 I mean, we're still very active.

00:04:25.140 But in the way we do things, we're conservative.

00:04:28.400 We're behind the scenes.

00:04:30.480 We're making the wheels turn.

00:04:32.240 Because that's how real politics get stuff.

00:04:35.040 You know, that's what I love about the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:04:39.400 So, you do all, I don't want to say backrooms deals.

00:04:43.360 Because that's not what you're doing.

00:04:44.340 You're actually grinding away on the politics and policy matters to make real change.

00:04:49.800 And as you say, you were instrumental in making sure the long gun registry was gone and removing the ATT.

00:04:55.860 So, the requirement for gun owners who already can only use their gun at the range to call some bureaucrat in a cubicle somewhere and say,

00:05:03.200 Hey, can I go to the range?

00:05:06.560 And there was other accomplishments, too.

00:05:09.440 Like the six-month grace period.

00:05:11.720 When your firearms license expires, that six-month grace period was the result of work we did with Stephen Blaney.

00:05:18.560 Yeah.

00:05:18.700 You know, there's a whole bunch of things.

00:05:21.880 We believe that a small win is still a win.

00:05:24.280 And if you can make the environment better for firearms owners across Canada, it's worth doing.

00:05:32.320 Yeah.

00:05:32.840 And that's true.

00:05:33.520 I mean, a small win is still keeping one guy out of jail.

00:05:38.140 Keeping one guy from becoming a paper criminal.

00:05:40.960 And I think that's a huge win for that guy's family, or in my case, that woman's family.

00:05:45.300 Tell us some of the things that you're working on right now, because we know Justin Trudeau's latest gun grab on hunting rifles.

00:05:54.260 He's pushed pause on that.

00:05:57.160 It hasn't gone away.

00:05:58.720 He's just reworking it in a way that I think the liberals think might be more palatable.

00:06:06.520 But I think it's not going to change.

00:06:08.880 Hunting rifles are going to be caught in this.

00:06:10.420 So, what is the CCSA doing?

00:06:16.260 Well, we're still doing the stuff in the back, making sure that policy documents are the way they should be, etc., etc.

00:06:26.380 As you well know, we don't talk real-time about the things that we do correctly, because that makes them not happen.

00:06:33.460 Okay, I mean, you know, like, politics is a real thing, and you have to do it right, or it's not worth bothering one.

00:06:41.300 So, you know, you don't divulge your private discussions and things like that.

00:06:45.360 But right now, you're absolutely right.

00:06:48.940 The liberals are bringing this back.

00:06:51.220 They removed the amendments to C-21.

00:06:56.420 But we don't mistake the comment back eventually.

00:06:58.880 You know, they're going to try to do is they're going to try to take the hunting guns out of it or something like that,

00:07:05.720 and then reintroduce them as if the sporting guns that we're in are somehow doing bad things.

00:07:11.760 Right.

00:07:12.080 You know, right, right.

00:07:13.280 But, of course, you know, they did the 2020 Ordering Council, and here it is 20 to 23,

00:07:20.500 and we all still have our sporting guns because the liberals can't figure out how to take them.

00:07:25.220 Do you see the mass shootings happening?

00:07:27.540 Hello?

00:07:27.760 Well, nothing's happening.

00:07:30.260 We still have the guns.

00:07:31.840 Well, yeah, well, there might be mass shootings happening,

00:07:34.000 but I think they're sort of happening in Canada's big cities because of a gang violence problem

00:07:39.540 that has nothing to do with lawful Canadian gun owners.

00:07:43.840 It has nothing to do with black rifles either.

00:07:46.340 I mean, they're almost never used in gang crimes.

00:07:50.780 They're almost always smuggles American handguns.

00:07:53.500 Right.

00:07:54.240 But that's a border issue that Justin Trudeau refuses to deal with.

00:07:57.760 You're right.

00:07:58.760 And, you know, when you look at the track record of the various ministers, public safety ministers,

00:08:06.540 every single year they pledge another $300-something million to increase border security and stop the guns monthly.

00:08:15.380 And every year, just like block work, they reduce the budget of the CBSA by $300 million.

00:08:21.440 So they're literally giving it one hand, taking it on the other hand, and then proclaiming that they've done something good.

00:08:31.100 And, in fact, CBSA's grossed the other hand, and there's lots of things that could be done.

00:08:37.880 I don't know if you saw the committee testimony where CBSA testified that $1 billion of 1% of rail cargo is checked.

00:08:49.480 That's shocking.

00:08:52.640 One million of 1%.

00:08:54.480 There's nowhere to check it.

00:08:58.020 Apparently, there's only two depots in Canada where you can check rail cargo, and the trains aren't there.

00:09:04.320 That boggles my mind.

00:09:07.700 And, you know, this is something that I think most Canadians don't know.

00:09:11.880 We just assume, and generally it's true, that the liberals are just making money rain from the sky on every government department

00:09:21.380 and growing the size and scope of the bureaucracy.

00:09:24.280 But the one thing that we really need, border control, to deal with people coming into the country, to deal with guns coming into the country, 0.99

00:09:33.620 to deal with contraband coming into the country, to deal with opioids, poisons that are killing our young people coming into the country.

00:09:40.200 And the liberals are cutting the budget there.

00:09:43.720 It baffles me.

00:09:45.860 Cutting the budget, giving them free drugs.

00:09:48.680 Yeah.

00:09:48.960 They inked the deal on Roxham Road a year ago, but they don't implement it for a year.

00:09:54.860 Yeah.

00:09:55.560 So obviously, you must get some indication of how much value they put in that deal on Roxham Road.

00:10:01.820 Yeah.

00:10:03.400 Yeah.

00:10:04.020 I mean, everything they say is a lie.

00:10:06.660 It's just, if their lips are moving, it's not true.

00:10:11.140 You know, and again, I'm not making this up.

00:10:13.640 You can go back and you can look at the budgets.

00:10:16.460 And they'll say, oh, $300 million.

00:10:18.640 It's always $300 million.

00:10:20.080 This has been going on since Ralph Goodale was the public safety minister.

00:10:24.280 And we saw the very first year, $300 million going out to help the CBSA interdict guns at the border.

00:10:32.580 And the same year, they reduced their overall budget by $300 million.

00:10:37.820 At the same time, however, they seem to be willing to blow, at least according to the parliamentary budget officer, $800 million in their gun buyback program, which is an incredible misnomer because you're not buying anything back.

00:10:54.740 You didn't own these things in the first place.

00:10:57.420 And I'm sure, just like the gun registry, that number is going to balloon.

00:11:01.660 I'll tell you, I asked the government for any of their financial analysis that they did on the gun buyback program.

00:11:09.320 They couldn't provide it to me.

00:11:10.660 They sent me seven pages of largely redacted internal government gibberish, just bureaucrats talking amongst themselves when I asked for financial analysis because I wanted to know where the government came to their $200 million number.

00:11:25.640 That was the number that they claimed.

00:11:26.940 The PBO said it was closer to $800 million.

00:11:30.520 Nobody can tell me where they came to that $200 million number, which leads me to believe that this is going to be a $2 billion boondoggle if it ever gets off the ground, which I'm on team government ineptitude on this one.

00:11:43.720 I hope that the government ineptitude sort of skewers their plan to snatch everybody's guns.

00:11:51.040 Well, I think when they make the cost estimates, they must think that they're going to put in an announcement.

00:11:57.760 Okay, gunnies, come and turn in your gun.

00:11:59.740 And we're just like, okay, let me get my hat.

00:12:04.600 They don't realize that they're going to have to do a lot of things to get the guns.

00:12:09.280 The first thing they're going to have to do is pay for them.

00:12:13.220 And have you noticed in our illustrious budget yesterday?

00:12:16.940 Not a penny earmarked for the gun fund.

00:12:20.620 Now, we're talking like many, many, many billions of dollars.

00:12:25.600 This isn't going to be cheap.

00:12:27.020 Right.

00:12:27.240 Because while they might be talking about putting in, say, a billion dollars in compensation, that doesn't include depots, transport, the construction, the promotion of the program.

00:12:42.120 I mean, how do you do this?

00:12:44.840 Do you send everybody a FedEx box and say, put your gun in the FedEx box?

00:12:50.440 And then the FedEx guy will come and pick up your prohibited firearm.

00:12:55.680 And he doesn't have a license for prohibited firearm.

00:12:59.640 But the feds will give him one.

00:13:00.980 You know that.

00:13:01.860 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:01.980 And then this poor bugger takes his life in his hands by driving his FedEx truck full of deadly evil black assault rifles through neighborhoods where people would quite happily kill him with his guns. 1.00

00:13:16.900 Right. 1.00

00:13:18.380 Right.

00:13:19.220 Right.

00:13:20.160 Now, if you were the FedEx driver, what would you say?

00:13:23.300 I think I think I think the same thing a lot of RCMP members would say if they were asked to kick in their neighbor's doors.

00:13:31.620 No chance.

00:13:33.080 Right.

00:13:33.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:34.860 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:35.600 The whole system is fraudless, stupid. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:39.740 The only thing they can really do is mandate Canada post to it.

00:13:44.820 Because that's the only thing we really have any control over.

00:13:47.900 But that's a train wreck looking for a place to happen.

00:13:51.700 Yeah.

00:13:52.540 Because I know the first thing we'll do is we'll be putting the labels all over free takes many as you want.

00:13:58.840 And it will be for the box that you're shipping this thing.

00:14:02.280 And it will be a warning.

00:14:03.920 Get the evil assault weapon inside. 0.98

00:14:06.600 You know?

00:14:07.680 And plaster them all over the box and turn them into Canada post tomorrow.

00:14:11.860 Yeah.

00:14:13.060 Right.

00:14:13.580 This isn't going to happen either, Sheila.

00:14:15.920 No.

00:14:16.200 Well, and just the sheer logistics of it all.

00:14:19.780 So you have several provinces now led the way by Alberta, thankfully, which remains one of the freer places in this country that said we're not ever going to mandate our police forces who are already struggling with rural crime and urban crime to take them off real crimes to kick in the doors of their neighbors to confiscate their legally acquired property.

00:14:40.960 So we've got several provinces who say our police forces are not going to cooperate in this.

00:14:46.200 And then just the logistics, as you say, of it all.

00:14:49.160 So they have moved guns from non-restricted all the way to prohibited.

00:14:54.500 You don't know who has those.

00:14:56.220 How do they?

00:14:57.660 I always go back to the SKS and the SKS because it's cheap.

00:15:00.700 It's plentiful.

00:15:01.200 You can get it at a gun show.

00:15:03.880 How are you going to find all those?

00:15:05.700 They think maybe there's 200,000 of those in the country.

00:15:09.640 I bet it's closer to three times that you don't know who has them.

00:15:13.040 You don't know where they are.

00:15:14.440 How do you how do you get those?

00:15:16.320 How do you go and get those?

00:15:17.980 I saw on Twitter when somebody said it's like somebody who's never even seen a car making the rules of the road.

00:15:26.760 That's how it feels like as a gun owner.

00:15:28.460 And it is so true where it's you know, you're banning things that you don't even know what they are, where they are, who owns them, what classification they're in.

00:15:36.880 So I don't know how they plan to execute any of this.

00:15:40.500 Right.

00:15:41.000 It's like hiring a brain surgeon to do your air traffic control regulations.

00:15:44.960 Yeah.

00:15:45.660 Yeah.

00:15:45.960 Yeah.

00:15:46.240 It's exactly like that.

00:15:47.460 I mean, they're completely out of their league, completely out of their element.

00:15:51.860 They're simply I don't see any way for them to do the confiscation.

00:15:56.200 But I'll tell you, if they do, no matter how they do it, you will not get a penny for your guns.

00:16:02.260 Yeah.

00:16:02.480 They're lying about this.

00:16:05.600 And, you know, if they were serious, if they were really serious about this, there would have been a money appropriation in this budget.

00:16:14.060 And there wasn't anything in this budget.

00:16:16.860 So I guess not planning on doing it this year.

00:16:20.640 What a surprise.

00:16:22.400 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 You know, but they're going to have to do this if they want to do it.

00:16:26.580 They've got to appropriate that much money.

00:16:28.580 It's not chump change.

00:16:29.580 It's big dollars.

00:16:30.480 Well, and, you know, I'm glad you pointed out that there was no money allocated for the gun grab in the budget, I think, because it's a potential to be an election year.

00:16:42.300 Quite frankly, if that coalition falls apart with the NDP, I'm not sure.

00:16:47.180 It seems like the NDP will apologize for any amount of corruption.

00:16:50.160 But if the precarious coalition falls apart with the NDP, they're going to an election.

00:16:55.960 And what I do know about gun owners is that this for a lot of them, this is the one issue that mobilizes them to the election polls.

00:17:05.220 And, you know, it really it helped the conservatives in the Stephen Harper years, especially with the advocacy of the CSSA to on the gun registry.

00:17:16.940 I mean, that really bolstered Stephen Harper's numbers at the polls.

00:17:21.800 And I don't think the liberals want to tangle with gun owners on a major gun grab in an election year.

00:17:29.720 No, I don't think that the liberals have the capacity to do that right now.

00:17:35.040 They're already on the ropes.

00:17:37.400 And I don't think they have the ability to alienate anybody to have a chance of winning.

00:17:43.860 So I'm happy about that.

00:17:45.840 I think you're probably going to make a way better prime minister.

00:17:50.240 Yeah, yeah, actually, actually, my labrador retriever would make a way better prime minister.

00:17:56.260 Oh, my gosh. 0.96

00:17:57.860 You know, I have a top five dumb liberals and I've had to extend it to 10 or 12 lately because I can't get it. 0.98

00:18:06.380 Like there's too many in the running right now. 0.98

00:18:08.940 I understand.

00:18:10.040 I understand.

00:18:11.720 There isn't the capacity.

00:18:15.740 No.

00:18:15.960 To do this without some very, very smart planning.

00:18:20.240 And without cooperation from police services.

00:18:23.580 Now, I know that the, well, first of all, I know for a fact that the feds have been going around to the provinces trying to get cooperation on this.

00:18:33.880 And, yes, Alberta has stood the ground and that's great.

00:18:37.100 Remember, Saskatchewan did it first.

00:18:38.800 That's right.

00:18:39.420 And so those two provinces are leading the way on this.

00:18:44.340 And one of the things they've done, a lot of people have coo-cooed the Alberta Saskatchewan Firearms Act, respectively, because they read them.

00:18:55.820 They don't really understand the implications of what they're reading.

00:19:00.240 But things in there like they're going to license anyone who is a confiscator.

00:19:05.720 And then you read the qualifications that the confiscator's got to have.

00:19:13.160 I mean, honestly, the Lord's going to have to send a messenger down here to read those qualifications.

00:19:19.200 I mean, it's simply not going to happen.

00:19:22.960 Yeah.

00:19:23.120 You've got to have your warehouse facility a kilometer away from a road.

00:19:28.240 Good luck.

00:19:30.120 Right.

00:19:30.520 But you can bring in trucks or guns.

00:19:32.880 Yeah.

00:19:33.860 With no road.

00:19:35.660 Yeah.

00:19:36.480 Yeah.

00:19:36.860 So I really want to see how this actually goes down.

00:19:41.100 It's not going to happen.

00:19:43.900 And thank God we have Alberta and Saskatchewan doing this stuff.

00:19:48.440 Because without them and the involvement of the municipality of Saskatchewan in Alberta,

00:19:56.240 without those people being involved in this, we might be up against the ball.

00:20:03.920 Yeah.

00:20:04.740 I think that's really a bit of a moral of the story here is, and we saw this in the United States.

00:20:12.840 I don't want to, I mean, this isn't a COVID-y show.

00:20:15.060 But you saw with Ron DeSantis, he stood up against, you know, some of the COVID restrictions.

00:20:21.020 And then the other state said, you know what, yeah, me too.

00:20:24.560 Like, then Texas came along, and South Dakota came along, and all it takes is one or two

00:20:31.280 to take the slings and arrows.

00:20:33.620 And then the other Me Too provinces came along too, and the Me Too territories came along too.

00:20:39.040 So, I think it's really important for, I mean, even if you're an Ontario gun owner,

00:20:45.300 start cheering for Alberta and Saskatchewan, because maybe they will empower your government

00:20:50.600 to do that thing, to stand up for you too.

00:20:53.960 That's right.

00:20:54.500 And we've been releasing all the press releases that they're sending out,

00:20:59.800 and keeping our members informed of the changes in fuel time.

00:21:04.020 Yeah.

00:21:04.220 And we have not been downplaying the importance of this.

00:21:09.380 You know, Canada's a country where our constitution says we have to have equal laws

00:21:13.400 right across the entire country.

00:21:15.900 Now what?

00:21:17.520 Right.

00:21:18.740 If nothing else, if nothing else, the feds would have to challenge it.

00:21:23.720 And that's going to tie up in court for years.

00:21:26.580 Yeah.

00:21:26.820 Yeah, so those two provinces are offering up a defense for firearms owners,

00:21:32.900 and quite frankly, I can't express enough gratitude to them.

00:21:38.480 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:39.700 I wanted to ask you about just some of the idiocy I've seen at committee. 0.99

00:21:44.900 I think Pam Danoff, I think she might be number six on the dumb liberals this week, 0.99

00:21:50.560 where she is talking to an Olympic sports shooter, basically saying, well, this handgun ban, 0.92

00:21:59.580 it's not really going to hurt your sport, because we're going to give you an exemption.

00:22:08.360 And that's great for existing Olympic sports shooters or anybody coming up through the shooting

00:22:14.680 sports rifle, handgun, whatever, but it doesn't allow for new people to enter the sport,

00:22:23.420 because you have to train with your tool before you make it to the Olympics.

00:22:28.620 It was like these, she couldn't make it click in her head that, okay, but you might be giving

00:22:35.320 an exemption to this generation of sports shooters, but it's done with them.

00:22:39.120 Well, you know, with respect to Ms. Danoff, there's a lot of things she can't get the click 0.96

00:22:46.520 in her head.

00:22:48.400 One of the things that she said to me was, well, your handguns are all now worthless.

00:22:53.480 I said, well, I guess that depends on who you sell them to.

00:22:56.560 Yeah.

00:22:56.900 She didn't understand that at all.

00:23:00.080 Just, whew, great fire.

00:23:01.360 When I was testifying to the committee, I said, make this analogous to NHL players.

00:23:09.300 They don't fall out of trees.

00:23:11.260 They require years and years, maybe sometimes into the decades, to acquire those skills and

00:23:19.880 hone them to find enough edge to be competitive.

00:23:24.520 And it's the same thing.

00:23:26.820 They're not just born.

00:23:27.680 Target shooters are not just born.

00:23:29.400 And I think that the liberals suffer from way, way too much Hollywood.

00:23:35.940 Yeah.

00:23:36.040 They seem to think that you can play with a handgun for 15 minutes and then be able to

00:23:42.700 shoot down a helicopter with 200 yards with it. 1.00

00:23:45.740 You know, they really believe that crap. 1.00

00:23:47.620 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:48.020 And so we do.

00:23:49.360 And, you know, they don't understand that to hit the paper at 25 yards is an achievement.

00:23:55.800 Mm-hmm.

00:23:56.180 You know, and it requires this.

00:23:59.080 The other thing, though, that they've done is in the letter of the legislation, it says

00:24:05.160 that any sport governing organization could issue the letter declaring this person to

00:24:11.400 be in training for the Olympics.

00:24:14.960 Any sport governing organization.

00:24:17.040 Amateur hockey league.

00:24:22.160 They're a sport governing organization.

00:24:24.860 You know, I mean.

00:24:26.620 Yeah.

00:24:27.040 There is.

00:24:27.800 See, there isn't really a sport governing organization.

00:24:31.300 Right.

00:24:31.580 In the Olympics.

00:24:32.800 The Shooting Federation of Canada takes this on because they do this out of their own graces.

00:24:39.180 And it's a tough thing to do because they're always fighting for money and stuff like that.

00:24:44.660 They can't get money like we get money before we go to every gun owners. 0.99

00:24:49.460 Right.

00:24:50.320 Help us.

00:24:51.100 Help us.

00:24:51.920 Yeah.

00:24:52.540 They can't do that.

00:24:53.560 They have to go to the actual shooters themselves and say, you know, help us get money.

00:25:00.660 And then they're lobbying the feds to get pittances of money.

00:25:06.880 And it's very difficult.

00:25:09.560 So hats off to them for staying in that fight.

00:25:12.440 But it doesn't say anywhere that there is a sport governing body for the Olympic shooting.

00:25:18.820 So it can be any sport governing body.

00:25:23.180 So then what do you think is going to happen?

00:25:25.740 Yeah.

00:25:27.060 I'll be getting one from Rugby Canada.

00:25:29.880 Yeah.

00:25:30.680 Well, I mean, the CSSA is a sport governing body.

00:25:34.740 We govern probably a half a dozen different shooting sports across Canada.

00:25:40.020 Yeah.

00:25:40.280 We are a shooting sports governing body.

00:25:43.480 And Sheila, I'll tell you right now, if you if you asked me and told me that you wanted

00:25:49.800 to be in the Olympics, I'd give you a letter.

00:25:52.460 Perfect.

00:25:52.900 I do.

00:25:53.740 I would.

00:25:54.760 I would.

00:25:55.500 Because I know how good you are.

00:25:58.920 You know, and on the other side of this, so when it comes to the grandfathering out of

00:26:04.680 handguns, for me, this one is really atrocious because.

00:26:07.620 For many people, including my own, these are family heirlooms.

00:26:13.040 Like I, I am in possession of my grandfather's guns that came to me.

00:26:18.680 They will likely go to my daughter, who is the marksman in the family, but they will not

00:26:23.820 go to my daughter now. 0.97

00:26:25.060 I have to turn them over to the state to be destroyed.

00:26:27.960 And it's very difficult to make people understand that these are not just guns.

00:26:33.000 These are family heirlooms.

00:26:33.920 This is like me showing up and saying, oh, your grandma died, that family, that China 1.00

00:26:39.960 that you thought you were going to inherit, that is a family heirloom.

00:26:43.840 No, you have to turn it over to the government and the government's going to smash it into

00:26:47.400 bits and you're supposed to thank them for the pleasure of it all.

00:26:51.740 They don't really seem to.

00:26:52.820 They just see these as weapons of destruction as opposed to a family heirloom that's been

00:27:01.580 enjoyed by generations of people.

00:27:03.160 Or a historical artifact.

00:27:05.460 A hundred percent.

00:27:06.780 Yes.

00:27:07.720 You know, I collect some historical stuff and the thought of that stuff being put into the

00:27:13.260 smelter just brings a tear to my eye.

00:27:16.320 Yeah.

00:27:17.080 Yeah.

00:27:17.500 And I can't imagine why any government would want to destroy this stuff because this isn't

00:27:24.500 stuff used in crimes.

00:27:26.200 Yeah.

00:27:26.420 If they really believe that they're trying to affect crime, which, by the way, they don't.

00:27:31.920 Right.

00:27:32.680 Right.

00:27:33.020 This is ideological.

00:27:34.300 It has nothing to do with crime.

00:27:35.740 And it never, ever had anything to do with crime.

00:27:38.540 Right.

00:27:38.800 All the way back to C-68 and the whole licensing system and all that stuff.

00:27:44.100 Nothing to do with crime.

00:27:46.100 It all had to do with making so many hurdles to firearms ownership that people would give up

00:27:51.720 or not even want to try it.

00:27:53.980 That's what it's really about.

00:27:55.800 Yeah.

00:27:55.900 And really, it's not about the handguns.

00:27:59.140 It's not about the black rifles.

00:28:00.940 It's about every single gun.

00:28:03.740 Right.

00:28:04.780 And never, ever kid yourself.

00:28:07.660 You turn in your black rifles, you turn in your handguns, they'll be back for your scoped

00:28:12.920 sniper, sniper rifles.

00:28:15.300 Yeah.

00:28:15.560 You know, the ones you use to shoot deer and elk with those ones?

00:28:19.020 Right.

00:28:19.680 They'll be back for them.

00:28:21.140 They'll be back for the shotguns that they once saw in a Hollywood movie where somebody

00:28:24.880 sawed off with their old shotgun and they were able to shoot a car and the car flipped

00:28:29.280 right over.

00:28:30.520 You know?

00:28:31.340 Yeah.

00:28:31.740 I mean, honestly, they're looking at some kind of fantasy world.

00:28:35.760 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 But we aren't.

00:28:37.500 Okay.

00:28:38.320 And gun owners have got to get this through their heads.

00:28:42.200 Yeah.

00:28:42.400 You cannot sacrifice another passenger out of the boat and expect the sharks to go away.

00:28:49.220 It doesn't work that way.

00:28:51.420 They will eventually try to get all of them.

00:28:54.180 They don't even say that.

00:28:57.040 Yeah.

00:28:57.500 We've got documents from the anti-gun groups about the doctors that hate gunnies.

00:29:04.240 You know that group?

00:29:05.460 Yes.

00:29:06.360 Yeah.

00:29:06.940 The doctors that hate gunnies have said, it's the guns.

00:29:10.600 We want them all.

00:29:12.440 The Coalition for Gun Control has said two or three times that their goal is to remove all

00:29:19.280 guns.

00:29:20.100 All guns.

00:29:20.740 Yeah.

00:29:21.660 So if you're a speed shooter or you're a hunter, don't be fooled by this.

00:29:26.840 Yeah.

00:29:27.200 It's coming for yours, too.

00:29:29.200 It's just a matter of time.

00:29:30.500 Well, I think a lot of people are waking up to that.

00:29:33.720 You know, the first ordering council that banned 1,500 popular models of shotguns and rifles,

00:29:42.460 including a 410 bird gun that they shoehorned into there, I mean, because it was black, looked

00:29:47.120 cool.

00:29:47.460 So a lot of people said, well, it doesn't matter.

00:29:50.480 I don't really have those ones.

00:29:51.880 And then they came for handguns.

00:29:53.800 And a lot of people said, I don't have an RPAL, so I don't really care about that stuff

00:29:57.420 until they came for your hunting rifles.

00:29:59.540 So a lot of people, I think, in the gun community have been mugged by reality, realizing that they 0.84

00:30:05.440 probably should have been fighting in that first ditch instead of the third ditch where

00:30:09.840 we're at right now.

00:30:10.800 And I hope it balloons your membership, because you've always been a strong advocate for legislative

00:30:20.780 change and holding the government to account on behalf of the people and not just firearms

00:30:27.040 owners, because it is non-gun owners who are going to have to pay for this debacle. 0.88

00:30:31.680 Yeah, that's right.

00:30:33.500 And the money that they spend on buying these inoffensive firearms off of law-abiding people

00:30:41.540 is money that isn't going to be spent interdicting guns at the border and getting the drug gangs

00:30:48.200 taken apart.

00:30:49.300 Yeah.

00:30:50.280 Or on hospitals, or on hospitals, or employing doctors that hate gunnies. 0.97

00:30:57.620 You like that, eh?

00:30:58.980 Yeah, it's great, because that's really what they are.

00:31:01.820 That's exactly what they are.

00:31:02.860 That's exactly what they are.

00:31:04.080 Doctors that hate gunnies.

00:31:05.740 Now, Tony, sorry, go ahead, please.

00:31:07.800 No, no, it's okay.

00:31:08.920 No, I was just going to, because I promised you a 20-minute interview, and I think we're

00:31:13.240 at 33 minutes.

00:31:13.940 So, I was just going to ask you, where can people stay in touch with the Canadian Shooting

00:31:21.260 Sports Association?

00:31:22.180 How do they become members?

00:31:23.360 How do they get involved?

00:31:24.420 Because, you know, as you say, you are, you could help me get to the Olympics.

00:31:31.060 You're a very important organization.

00:31:32.860 Well, in the easiest way, go on our website.

00:31:37.140 You could sign up as a member there.

00:31:39.140 You can make a donation to our work up there.

00:31:42.380 You can also sign up for our free e-news, which is absolutely great.

00:31:49.200 It's read all over the world.

00:31:50.960 We have huge circulation on it.

00:31:52.680 And every week, we publish all the news that's been approved on gun ownership issues right

00:32:00.560 across the world.

00:32:01.880 Yeah.

00:32:02.000 It's not just in Canada.

00:32:03.100 Because we think it's very important for firearms owners to have a perspective on what's going

00:32:10.080 on in other countries.

00:32:11.660 Because there's many parallels.

00:32:14.000 So, we include that stuff in there, too.

00:32:16.360 So, anything of note, anything that's interesting, we put it in every week and it's free.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, I think your website is an incredible resource.

00:32:26.080 I love how it's broken down so you can search events by your own province, your own locality.

00:32:32.020 You've included all your legal research, things that you're doing, different programs.

00:32:37.740 Oh, the CSSA marketplace.

00:32:39.620 I'm going to be getting some new t-shirts today.

00:32:46.260 I'm a big fan of your website.

00:32:48.060 It's really easy to navigate.

00:32:49.100 And it helps gun owners like me stay on top of all the comings and goings of not just the

00:32:58.120 catastrophe of gun rights ownership in Canada, but around the world as well.

00:33:02.500 Right.

00:33:02.980 And, you know, you can always just make a call for 1-800-number and our staff will be happy

00:33:10.300 to process your membership for you.

00:33:12.460 Excellent.

00:33:13.400 Tony, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:33:15.740 I'll have you back on again very soon.

00:33:18.120 Not years.

00:33:18.820 I promise.

00:33:20.060 I'm so embarrassed about that.

00:33:22.480 And thank you for taking the time today.

00:33:24.880 Thank you, Sheila.

00:33:25.820 Thanks.

00:33:26.180 Have a great day.

00:33:27.000 You too.

00:33:32.980 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback.

00:33:38.200 I say it every week, but it remains evergreen.

00:33:41.100 I actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News.

00:33:44.140 It's why I give out my email address at the end of every show.

00:33:46.740 It's Sheila at RebelNews.com.

00:33:48.220 Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I know why you're emailing me.

00:33:54.000 But also don't hesitate to leave a question, comment, story idea on any of the platforms

00:34:00.340 where you might find us on the censorship platform of YouTube or even over on Rumble

00:34:04.340 because I do go checking for comments over there.

00:34:07.540 Now, today's letter is not actually on last week's show, but it's on a response to a letter

00:34:14.540 from last week's show.

00:34:16.060 So I feel like I'm in like a long argument where we're just emailing each other back

00:34:26.140 and forth.

00:34:26.640 But anyways, I like I said, I welcome the viewer feedback, so I'm going to take it.

00:34:32.740 And today's letter comes to us from Walter Maitland, who writes, good day, Sheila.

00:34:37.020 On the closing topic, letter response of the March 22 show, your remark and position about

00:34:44.080 us not being like the U.S. Democrats or Justin Trudeau and arresting our political opponents.

00:34:49.060 I should stop and clarify the letter that I was responding to was somebody who said we

00:34:54.040 should arrest.

00:34:55.980 I think it was all the liberals in the NDP or we should outlaw their ideology.

00:35:00.260 And I said, I don't want to be like Justin Trudeau, arresting political dissidents when

00:35:06.320 he gets into power because it will.

00:35:09.780 Why would we do that?

00:35:10.860 Because why give the government that power?

00:35:13.320 They will use it against you, as we just saw Justin Trudeau do it, even when he didn't

00:35:16.720 have the power.

00:35:17.380 He did it.

00:35:18.120 And the U.S. Democrats right now, they're trying to fabricate some sort of trumped up

00:35:23.400 campaign finance violation against Donald Trump because he will be the presumed Republican

00:35:29.600 nominee.

00:35:30.120 So they're trying to nip that in the bud using the legal system to, you know, eliminate their

00:35:37.040 political enemies.

00:35:37.700 And I just I don't want to do that.

00:35:39.540 I believe in a system where we debate ideas and not arrest our political enemies.

00:35:47.500 That's what they do in Cuba.

00:35:49.000 I just I don't want to be like that.

00:35:51.300 Anyways, what exactly exactly what downside has Justin or any leftist face for their blatantly

00:35:56.900 political weaponization of the justice system?

00:35:59.100 Nothing, zero, zip, bupkis. 0.99

00:36:03.420 Like every other bully, the only language they will ever understand is if you hit me, I will 0.99

00:36:06.940 hit you back.

00:36:08.200 Please give some thoughts to this and give me and every other listener a serious answer

00:36:11.720 to this question.

00:36:12.820 What have we seen that will give Justin or the next liberal NDP head of our government

00:36:16.920 the slightest pause before they declare martial law to clear up the next inconvenience?

00:36:21.120 Walt.

00:36:21.360 Well, Walt, I appreciate your letter and I.

00:36:25.340 I think there is a balance in this again, I reiterate, I do not change my mind.

00:36:30.880 I don't think you arrest your political enemies.

00:36:32.520 I don't think you outlaw political ideologies because they will do the same to you and you

00:36:38.160 can't outlaw what's in somebody's heart and in their mind.

00:36:41.280 I just completely disagree with that.

00:36:43.640 I don't think you should outlaw political parties.

00:36:46.460 If they're fringe, let them be fringe.

00:36:48.640 Debate them in the public square.

00:36:50.080 Which is why I firmly believe in free speech.

00:36:53.760 But what have we seen that will give the liberals pause?

00:37:00.460 Actually, I should go back for a second.

00:37:03.320 As I said, there is a balance here.

00:37:05.800 You don't outlaw the political ideology, but at the same time, don't tone police people.

00:37:11.560 We see a lot of conservatives tone policing each other.

00:37:14.020 And, you know, when the liberals in the NDP are out calling everybody with whom they disagree, 0.96

00:37:22.260 Nazis, white supremacists, genocide heirs. 1.00

00:37:25.900 And then when you stand up and say, no, shut up, you absolute idiot, you have another conservative 1.00

00:37:32.880 over your shoulder tone policing you after somebody else has called you literally the 1.00

00:37:37.380 worst thing on the face of the earth.

00:37:38.880 That has to stop. 0.99

00:37:40.340 That's ridiculous. 0.95

00:37:41.160 Who do you think you're impressing? 0.99

00:37:42.760 Not other conservatives.

00:37:44.680 When you tell your allies to shut up, you are only helping your enemies.

00:37:51.280 So there is a balance to be struck there.

00:37:52.780 But on the flip side, what have we seen that will give Justin Trudeau and the next liberal

00:37:58.760 NDP head of government the slightest pause before they declare martial law?

00:38:02.040 Well, I think the current revolt happening in CSIS with regard to Handong should scare the

00:38:05.940 daylights out of the liberals because whatever the liberals are doing, it is so corrupt that

00:38:11.400 a CSIS individual is willing to risk their entire career and even jail time to blow the 0.96

00:38:16.380 whistle on the liberals.

00:38:17.420 I think that's indicative of, I think, change.

00:38:24.220 But as I was talking with Tony, what I think is really going to give the liberals pause is

00:38:33.260 that several provinces now are standing up to the government on a whole number of issues,

00:38:39.360 but led the way by Alberta and Saskatchewan.

00:38:42.660 So a whole bunch of provinces are now saying, we don't care what you're doing, Justin Trudeau.

00:38:47.400 We are not snatching the guns of our people and we're not having our police forces do it.

00:38:52.360 So take a hike.

00:38:55.320 And so that should really give the liberals pause because they're realizing now that there

00:39:01.960 is provincial pushback, strong, freedom-minded premiers in place.

00:39:07.880 That should really actually scare the liberals because they're not going to have free reign

00:39:14.240 to roll over the provinces anymore.

00:39:16.220 And in Alberta and Saskatchewan, we have our two respective versions of the Sovereignty Act

00:39:21.100 where we are exerting our provincial authority and pushing back against the feds any time

00:39:27.080 they put a toe into our jurisdiction.

00:39:29.940 So I think as much as Justin Trudeau thinks he has infinite power here in Canada, the provinces

00:39:39.640 have a lot more than he thinks.

00:39:42.340 And I think that should really give the liberals pause.

00:39:49.460 And, you know, as much as everybody likes to talk about sanctuary states on the progressive

00:39:54.680 side, I think Alberta and Saskatchewan and a few other provinces are going to quickly become

00:39:58.980 sanctuary provinces from government tyranny.

00:40:01.940 I hope that answers your question.

00:40:03.120 Um, I still remain steadfast in my position that, uh, you don't arrest your political enemies,

00:40:10.860 um, ever, ever.

00:40:13.280 Um, if martial law is wrong when they do it, it's got to be wrong when you do it too.

00:40:18.200 You just can't, I mean, the jails will be full of political distance.

00:40:21.220 We're going to need extra jails.

00:40:22.620 So I don't think that's the way to do it.

00:40:24.380 I think, um, if there is ever a change in government, uh, they need to quickly, quickly,

00:40:31.120 um, restrain the federal government from ever doing this again, change the law, make it more

00:40:38.420 defined if we're talking about the emergencies act and, uh, maybe get yourself to a province

00:40:43.640 that will stand up to the feds and defend you.

00:40:48.180 I guess that's it.

00:40:49.400 It was probably not a satisfactory answer if you are in Ontario, but if you're in

00:40:54.280 Alberta, Saskatchewan, um, and a couple of other provinces, um, it's good.

00:40:59.680 It's good to live here because, um, we at least have leaders who will make sure that

00:41:03.620 Justin Trudeau, if he's ever going to do those things that he's done, um, particularly in

00:41:09.140 the emergencies act, uh, he won't be doing it here to us.

00:41:13.020 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:41:14.600 Thank you so much for tuning in and thanks to Tony Bernardo for joining me tonight.

00:41:18.860 We'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:41:21.340 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:41:51.340 Thank you.

00:41:52.340 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - March 29, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Liberals didn't allocate any money for their so-called gun buyback program in their latest budget

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