Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The new West Coast pipeline： A nation-building project or a government-created boondoggle？

00:00:00.000 The province of Alberta announced a new pipeline project last night.

00:00:05.400 Is it the win they are telling us it is?

00:00:08.740 I'm not so sure.

00:00:10.300 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 uh yeah like how much what portion will come out of uh albertian or canadian taxpayers pocket i

00:00:41.520 mean that remains to be negotiated and that'll be one of the things that we take away we wanted to

00:00:46.880 get the high level agreement of the partnership and of course it'll be the federal government

00:00:50.800 the provincial government indigenous stake as well as pembina so it'll be negotiated over time

00:00:55.280 But what I would say is that when you look at some of the recent projections that were done

00:01:02.000 by ATB about what a million and a half barrels of additional oil sands production would do for

00:01:09.360 our country, this would be a million barrels. They talked about $30 billion. This would be

00:01:14.240 $20 billion per year, every year, for as long as the pipeline operates. And so those will be the

00:01:20.080 kind of revenue figures that we're looking at. And then the ownership stakes will be negotiated

00:01:26.660 on that basis once we look at the terminal point, finalize the route, finalize the cost.

00:01:34.100 Well, there you have it. In joint press conference, Thursday night, Alberta Premier

00:01:40.460 Daniel Smith and Prime Minister Mark Carney announced the development of a new West Coast

00:01:48.360 pipeline from Alberta, which would carry our oil to foreign markets. But this thing is not what a

00:01:56.580 lot of people, myself included, were expecting, although I wasn't actually expecting a pipeline at

00:02:01.780 all, to be frank with you. What would have made sense was a northern pipeline. But earlier in the

00:02:10.260 day, the country discovered that the tanker ban on Alberta oil would be staying in place. You see

00:02:19.680 tankers of American oil come down from Alaska using that same path, but there is a ban on

00:02:28.600 tankers from Alberta. And in a series of announcements yesterday, including just

00:02:37.720 billions of dollars being dumped into British Columbia to quell their provincial opposition

00:02:47.140 to a pipeline. And when I say provincial opposition, I mean from the provincial government

00:02:51.620 and not from the good people of British Columbia. They were basically bought off yesterday with

00:02:57.780 other people's money. By other people's money, I mean Albertans' money, which meant the only

00:03:04.400 pathway for a new oil pipeline would be through the port of vancouver we can help support energy

00:03:11.680 security while reducing global emissions and creating opportunities for british columbians

00:03:16.960 now there's one piece that i want to be clear about this agreement doesn't require us to support

00:03:22.560 any pipeline proposal from alberta however as i've said before we recognize our constitutional

00:03:30.000 position. And we do not have the authority to stop a new pipeline. We will not be going to court

00:03:35.640 to fight a pipeline project. Instead, we will ensure we fulfill our constitutional obligations

00:03:41.360 in good faith. Pipelines are federal jurisdiction. That's why this agreement matters. It ensures that

00:03:48.900 the northern tanker ban stays in place. And it ensures that if a pipeline goes ahead, that British 0.98

00:03:55.380 Columbians are fairly compensated for the environmental risks we would take on any new

00:03:59.400 pipeline project so that was the development earlier in the day the delayed announcement

00:04:07.880 from approximately two in the afternoon to then six o'clock in the evening to 6 30 in the evening

00:04:14.280 was that there would be a west coast pipeline and that will be referred to the major projects

00:04:21.300 office for approval and that the provincial government would be putting in billions of

00:04:29.280 dollars along with Trans Mountain which is a crown corporation read the government of Canada

00:04:39.120 with Pembina pipeline being as my guest describes in roughly an advisory role in the project so this

00:04:50.520 is a government pipeline another government pipeline and why do we have another government

00:04:56.060 pipeline? Well, because the federal government has not removed any of the restrictions prohibiting

00:05:05.900 private participation in oil and gas pipelines.

00:05:13.480 So this is just another taxpayer-funded boondoggle that will come in years overdue

00:05:24.980 and way over budget why because there are really no shareholders to be accountable for as you would

00:05:32.260 see in the private sector if pembina were responsible for the entire pipeline construction

00:05:39.640 it would come in on timelines why because they need to be accountable to the people who are

00:05:46.600 investing in pembina but the investors here are really the taxpayer and guess how that goes well

00:05:53.460 We don't have to guess. We already saw what happened with Trans Mountain. Federal government refused to enforce the law. And Kinder Morgan was going to abandon the project. The federal government bought the project. And then instead of a $6 billion project, it was roughly 35 billion years over budget and just an absolute mess.

00:06:16.160 And so that, that, that is what we're doing all over again, with a more expensive route, because the tanker ban is staying in place. And I don't think this is the win that the provincial government wants us to believe it is.

00:06:34.160 So today, my guest is Corey Morgan of the Western Standard and of our joint project

00:06:41.180 between myself and Corey Morgan, AlbertaFactCheck.com, to discuss this and his third party

00:06:48.660 advertiser, the controversy about his independence signs in Tabor, Alberta, and where you can

00:06:56.460 get his Rebel News published book.

00:06:59.260 Take a listen.

00:07:04.160 so joining me now is my partner in the project albertafactcheck.com and columnist over at the

00:07:14.220 western standard and i think the uh head of one of the most successful third-party advertisers

00:07:23.660 in the independence campaign cory morgan uh cory um let's talk about the thing that broke last

00:07:30.480 night and it was a delayed press conference delayed a couple of times actually it was supposed

00:07:36.880 to be earlier in the afternoon and then it was six o'clock once the PMO got involved and then

00:07:42.300 it was delayed approximately a half an hour I don't know why I wonder if Mark Carney was watching

00:07:47.120 the FIFA game but apparently there is going to be a pipeline to the west coast it doesn't look the

00:07:57.600 way most people thought it would look. It won't be going to the northwest coast. A lot of people

00:08:05.960 were hoping that maybe it would be a different version of Northern Gateway, starting in Bruderheim

00:08:11.980 and then headed to the terrace area of British Columbia. Instead, we've got some Frankenstein

00:08:18.540 monster of a pipeline that starts in Bruderheim, heads west, then goes south to the port of

00:08:25.580 vancouver and there is it's not entirely a privately funded pipeline project the alberta

00:08:34.340 government is kicking in a bunch of cash and then um it's in partnership with indigenous groups and

00:08:41.200 trans mountain so uh this is just i think uh the alberta government trying to make the best

00:08:52.020 of a bad situation, but I'm very concerned that we're going to see a taxpayer boondoggle. We hear

00:08:59.080 the Alberta government saying that this is a win for Alberta taxpayers. There's going to be

00:09:04.840 gajillions of dollars in royalties, but we all saw what happened with Trans Mountain when the

00:09:10.640 government got involved. A $6 billion private sector fully funded project turned into about

00:09:17.300 to 800% over budget and years in delay and just a big old mess. Anyways, now you have my take on

00:09:26.760 it. What do you think, Corey? Mine's pretty similar. I mean, it's just a dog's breakfast

00:09:31.440 of compromises all over the place. The only kind of private involvement we can see in this, which

00:09:37.820 you know, the Smith government was touting, as you said, sounded like they had a big proponent

00:09:41.940 coming, is Pembina pipelines. And I believe it's more of just an advisory role and it accounts for

00:09:47.100 about 10% of the pipe. So that's a token private involvement is what that is. Trans Mountain,

00:09:53.200 well, that's a crown corporation these days. So that's just government involvement. This

00:09:57.740 looks ugly. I think it's a government from the Smith perspective, she's not willing to go full 0.95

00:10:04.440 bore fighting with the feds. So this is the corner she's painted herself into. In June 10th,

00:10:10.560 even there was a release from the provincial government talking about the northern route

00:10:14.580 to Prince Rupert, which makes the oil much more affordable because it shortens the trip

00:10:21.260 to get it to Asia. It shortens the amount of pipe to get across the mountains. Apparently

00:10:26.000 three weeks later, that's off the table because Carney won't move on the tanker ban. And

00:10:30.680 kind of as you said before, it's Trans Mountain 2.0. They're budgeting it to be around 40

00:10:35.820 billion, which if we translate that to a similar thing to Kinder Morgan to Trans Mountain, 0.88

00:10:42.440 And this might cost $100 billion by the time these clowns are done with it, if it ever actually gets done.

00:10:46.800 Yeah, if it ever actually gets done, because while Eby, David Eby in British Columbia yesterday, was given billions of dollars to buy his compliance on a pipeline,

00:11:00.800 This still doesn't get us past the opposition of Vancouverites and other Indigenous groups who will intervene thanks to rulings that require ongoing consultation and not permission, but everybody seems to think consultation means permission.

00:11:20.060 So this isn't a done deal. And we also know the feds don't really care to enforce the law when it comes to pipelines. That's how Kinder Morgan, or it was Kinder Morgan at the time, Kinder Morgan and then thus Trans Mountain ended up in such a mess anyway.

00:11:38.840 So and then in the middle of this, they've put in this carbon credit scheme with the announcement from British Columbia, which will further down the road deter oil and gas investment.

00:11:53.700 So it makes it more likely that anything that will ever get done in the oil and gas sector in this country will be done by the government.

00:12:00.720 And I am not cheering for the Venezuela-ification of the Canadian oil and gas sector.

00:12:08.840 I'm very pleased to join Premier Smith here in Calgary to announce new measures that will unlock Alberta's energy for the world.

00:12:19.320 These measures will build the strength of our entire country.

00:12:23.600 They will take control of our future.

00:12:27.200 They will bolster our sovereignty.

00:12:30.240 Today's announcements, and this is a lowball figure.

00:12:34.420 You don't normally get lowball figures from politicians.

00:12:36.860 This is a lowball figure.

00:12:38.060 Canadians' announcements will catalyze well over $200 billion in direct investments in Canada, create over 175,000 new jobs across the country, and we are just getting started.

00:12:53.860 These benefits will be shared widely, including with Indigenous peoples as full partners, and they will create resources for the social programs on which Canadians rely.

00:13:05.220 This is cooperative federalism at work.

00:13:09.320 It's the kind of unity and collaboration that Albertans and Canadians rightly expect.

00:13:16.220 They expect it on principle, and they expect it because it's required for Canada to prosper in a rapidly changing world.

00:13:25.920 And if this stays like it is, this is, if it even happens, this will be the last major pipeline ever done in Canada.

00:13:31.460 Look at the precedent being set, the nightmare.

00:13:34.260 I guess if Carney's actually serious about it, I mean, to be fair, he is expanding some political capital. The environmental wing of his party is furious with him. So he's put himself out a little bit there. He's got to have to follow the next step, which would be to put it in the major projects office this fall and declare it in the national interest, because that's the only way this thing will be pushed through.

00:13:56.040 we know the protests the court challenges all of this they're all getting in line already to do it

00:14:02.320 if Carney really wants this to happen he must know he actually has to take a stand on something

00:14:06.880 for a change and push this thing through I don't really believe he has that kind of backbone in

00:14:12.760 him I don't either I think that this whole thing is a poison pill and I think you're right this

00:14:19.480 could potentially be the last major pipeline project built in this country and it's a shame

00:14:25.920 You know, we have the world's third largest proven oil reserve and we can't get anything to market. We can't build a pipeline to the cheapest, most effective route because we have a federal government that not only wouldn't enforce the law, but then added a bunch of other laws in to make sure that our pipelines never go forward.

00:14:45.760 I think the Smith government and possibly Mark Carney thinks that this will extinguish separatist sentiment, but we're not stupid. We're not stupid. We can see what a mess this is. And the amount of gaslighting coming out of the provincial government on this is crazy. 0.91

00:15:05.200 It feels like the MOU all over again, where we can read the document, we can see the deal, we can understand what's happening.

00:15:13.040 You can say this is a win-win-win, but it's a mess going forward.

00:15:18.960 I'm very pleased to join Premier Smith here in Calgary to announce new measures that will unlock Alberta's energy for the world.

00:15:29.860 These measures will build the strength of our entire country.

00:15:33.820 they will take control of our future, they will bolster our sovereignty.

00:15:40.480 Today's announcements, and this is a lowball figure,

00:15:44.820 you don't normally get lowball figures from politicians, this is a lowball figure,

00:15:48.900 Canadians' announcements will catalyze well over $200 billion in direct investments in Canada,

00:15:55.620 create over 175,000 new jobs across the country, and we are just getting started.

00:16:03.820 These benefits will be shared widely, including with Indigenous peoples as full partners,

00:16:11.400 and they will create resources for the social programs on which Canadians rely.

00:16:15.800 This is cooperative federalism at work.

00:16:19.540 It's the kind of unity and collaboration that Albertans and Canadians rightly expect.

00:16:26.600 they expect it on principle and they expect it because it's required for canada to prosper

00:16:33.160 in a rapidly changing world oh yeah and the the uncertainty is still there i mean the proposed

00:16:40.280 area where rob anderson and some others feel that there's going to be this great boon to alberta

00:16:45.960 would be in the presumption there will be an expansion of oil sands production and operations

00:16:51.640 but it's the same as the pipeline i can't see these companies pouring a bunch of capital into

00:16:55.640 expanding even their oil sands operations until they're really sure that pipeline's actually going

00:17:01.320 to be done the the the instability is still there if it got done for 40 billion if it got done by

00:17:09.880 2034 as they think it might it'll take decades for that thing to even break even at the at the way

00:17:17.240 they're going with it and it doesn't have to cost this much we know that we've seen what private

00:17:21.640 proponents can do with a pipeline we just know that if the government takes it on it's going to

00:17:25.960 be a mess so i i guess they have to polish that turd as well as they can it's their role as a

00:17:32.200 government but i don't think it's uh many people are taking it seriously the skepticism is just way

00:17:37.560 too deep now it it won't calm the independence movement and if this thing fails and hits a

00:17:43.400 a roadblock and stops it will grow it significantly and quickly yeah i mean we see what happened

00:17:52.600 with the bridger pipeline the bridger pipeline is really you know keystone xl 2.0 uh private

00:17:58.560 sector proponents stepped in the u.s government approved it immediately it's going to get going

00:18:04.340 um a lot of people and myself included were hoping that someone would just do that with

00:18:09.500 northern gateway right from Bruderheim the existing infrastructure is there the trains are there

00:18:15.100 just head straight on the same route just get given her if this is in the national interest

00:18:20.900 then do it um but that didn't happen we saw as you described it rightfully a dog's breakfast of a

00:18:29.800 mess and um I'm I just I'm refusing to buy the hype I'm I'm a smart enough lady I can see for

00:18:36.500 myself what's going on here and it's a bizarre step from a conservative provincial government

00:18:44.200 who you know wants to scale back the size and scope and government or at least that's what

00:18:48.540 they tell me and they believe in capitalism and free markets doing exactly what happened with

00:18:54.860 Trans Mountain it it's a disappointing disaster I think absolutely and I mean we don't have to

00:19:03.200 reinvent the wheel here as you said with northern gateway what was it hundreds of millions if not

00:19:07.300 billions were spent already on all the impact studies the the work the planning the research

00:19:12.580 they just need to change the date on that and it's ready to go trans mountain was even more

00:19:17.460 recently all finished they keep making everybody start from scratch on these things look the

00:19:22.120 mountains are in the same places the indigenous bands are in the same spots the creeks are in the

00:19:26.480 same places to cross we don't need to keep studying this to death either and getting more permits just 0.99

00:19:31.280 go it's done it's a pipe we know how they work but they won't do it they make us start these things

00:19:36.400 right from the beginning all over again and it gets harder every time which which leads to the

00:19:41.920 as i said deep skepticism that this thing's even gonna go after seven months um this project

00:19:49.120 will now require government support in terms of equity why do you think that it remains

00:19:56.800 too risky for the private sector to run with it by itself? I would say that we did have a number

00:20:06.160 of projects, and I can elaborate on them. I mean, we did have Northern Gateway that had all of its

00:20:11.900 approvals, and they were then canceled. We did have Keystone XL, who had all of its approvals

00:20:16.920 and were starting to build pipelines across the border, and a presidential permit was canceled.

00:20:21.460 We had Energy East that was a billion dollars into a regulatory approval process and couldn't

00:20:25.500 the way to the finish line. So it was canceled. So we have pipeline companies that have literally

00:20:29.680 spent billions of dollars in recent years on failed regulatory approval processes. That's

00:20:34.680 the environment we're finding ourselves in. And so it does take some work, I think, to make sure

00:20:41.220 that the private sector proponents understand that this is a real process. There's a real commitment

00:20:45.880 on the part of all three parties, myself, as well as the Premier of British Columbia, as well as

00:20:51.960 the prime minister to get this project to the finish line. So what the share of the private

00:20:59.220 sector stake will be, that remains to be seen. Maybe over time, as more and more certainty comes

00:21:04.300 in, maybe we'll be talking with Scott about him wanting to take on a larger and larger share.

00:21:08.920 But we want to make sure that a company knows that we're walking this path with them so that

00:21:13.300 we can get it to the end. And I won't speak for the prime minister, but I did notice that they

00:21:19.080 have already received a over $1 billion dividend payment from the Trans Mountain pipeline. And so

00:21:25.440 it seems to me that once you get through the construction process and you start earning

00:21:31.220 revenue, it is an incredibly lucrative type of infrastructure that will benefit taxpayers. That

00:21:37.980 was our consideration. Now, let's move topics because I want to talk to you about what happened

00:21:45.920 to you in Tabor, Alberta. Now we talked about it a little bit on the live stream, but this is a

00:21:50.300 different show. You tried to put up some billboards in Tabor or a billboard in Tabor. The town of

00:21:56.300 Tabor got weird about it. A little sensory and you ended up with more billboards and more money

00:22:05.940 flowing into your third party advertiser. Give us a Colesnotes version of what happened there.

00:22:12.100 Sure. I mean, I started that third party advertiser kind of on a whim because that's

00:22:15.460 just the goofy things I do to myself. It took off quite well. We wanted to show a presence quickly,

00:22:20.500 but printers were going to take a while to get the lawn signs and all that made. And somebody

00:22:23.700 said, hey, I know a guy that has billboards down in Tabor. You can get an ad up there real fast and

00:22:28.360 relatively inexpensively and start your campaign. So I thought, great. So I got one for a digital

00:22:33.480 billboard in Tabor. It just said, choose Alberta, show the Alberta flag, and said, send out a law

00:22:38.440 message. And within two days, the owner of the billboard had gotten a demand letter from the

00:22:42.900 administration of the town of Tabor demanding it be removed within 10 days or they could

00:22:47.860 potentially start actions to remove his license to operate there. So yeah it was unreal. I mean

00:22:54.080 a level of government telling us we can't legally advertise. So thankfully the billboard owner stood

00:23:00.240 fast and I expanded my contract and then I booked two more billboards in the town and had those

00:23:06.420 running all the way till the end of the month and then we held a rally in Tabor last Sunday which

00:23:11.380 a couple hundred people came out to and distributed a whole pile of lawn signs had a good

00:23:16.880 drive-through I suspect Tabor has more of my TPA's lawn signs per capita than any other community in 0.97

00:23:24.000 all of Alberta so I guess I got to kind of thank those fools on the town administration because 0.84

00:23:27.760 otherwise it would have been forgotten after a two-week billboard ad billboard ad you know and 0.97

00:23:32.460 it's funny too because it shows how out of whack the town is the town administration with the people

00:23:39.740 who live there. The people who live there, whether they support separatism or independence

00:23:44.840 or not, I think they generally believe in free speech. And the town shouldn't be getting involved

00:23:52.500 in this. I'm sure the town would not have had a problem if you had put up a billboard celebrating

00:23:59.660 Pride Month or Pride season or whatever we're doing these days. Even though I believe that

00:24:05.300 that is an explicitly political message, they probably wouldn't have gotten involved. There's

00:24:11.240 something that prickles me wrong about municipalities stepping in to take sides on

00:24:18.480 the independence dispute campaign, whatever you want to call it. We see it happening in Calgary

00:24:23.680 with Mayor Farkas as well. Just stay out of it. Let the people decide, fix the potholes, pick up

00:24:29.540 the trash deal with the recycling those sorts of things clean up the transit system they've got a

00:24:37.600 lot of other things that they need to do that shouldn't involve limiting the free speech of

00:24:41.660 people in a democratic process yeah and i mean well part of it's conservative's own fault to be

00:24:48.000 honest we've let the left take over the municipalities we haven't paid attention

00:24:51.560 and they've they've slipped through and they've gotten these small local governments they've taken

00:24:56.260 control of them and then the large ones in the city of calgary come on calgary it's supposed to

00:25:00.420 be the hub of conservatism we've had nichey and gondek and then jeremy farkas who appears to have

00:25:05.540 hit his head when he was doing his cross mountain trip turned into a woke leftist these days too

00:25:11.060 we've got to take control of these local governments again i mean farkas is it was

00:25:14.900 shocking i mean he's been coming out as he can as an individual as a mayor okay he's taken aside the

00:25:20.420 independence issue whatever fine but now he's talking about having the government change the

00:25:24.420 law so he can use municipal tax dollars to campaign on a side in the referendum the amount

00:25:30.180 of entitlement and arrogance coming out of that is is disturbing and i don't think people pay

00:25:34.660 their property taxes expecting that money to go towards the local government campaigning during

00:25:41.300 what's supposed to be an open vote we've we've let these municipalities get right out of control

00:25:46.500 yeah and i'm glad you brought that up so i sort of prattle on about that all the time that

00:25:51.540 But conservatives have all but abandoned local politics and local politics is the level of government that affects you the most.

00:25:59.680 If we're concerned about the wokeness at the school board, you can flip a school board if you really get organized and use your resources.

00:26:07.720 It's easier to do than flipping a government like a federal government. 0.97

00:26:13.120 It's a lot easier to do.

00:26:14.340 Well, we sort of walk away from it. We focus on the big issues, but realize that those cultural issues are happening a lot closer to home and we can actually do something about it.

00:26:24.500 I hope after seeing what's happened in Calgary that and, you know, in Tabor and other municipalities, you know, we've seen municipalities cancel independence events that are in municipal facilities, you know, where these are peaceful events, their own residents are renting the facility and they're canceling the rental because they don't like the politics of the people involved.

00:26:51.240 It's not supposed to work that way. Those facilities are paid for by everybody and for use by everybody. They shouldn't be treating independence rallies like Klan events, but they are for some reason. And I think it behooves conservatives after this to do something, to get involved in local politics. We shouldn't let it be a breeding ground of woke progressives who want to just move up the supply chain into higher levels of government. And it so frequently is.

00:27:21.240 Yeah, and local conservatives should make note of that because these are very conservative towns.

00:27:24.880 Tabard's got to be one of the most conservative towns in all of Alberta.

00:27:29.000 Westlock, we saw battles over flags and crosswalks up there, and Westlock's a good conservative town.

00:27:34.720 Sure is.

00:27:35.220 So what I would hope is that, and you know, you and I will keep nagging about it, but when these municipal elections come down, people make note of these actions, make note of these councillors and fire them.

00:27:46.320 Just start firing them for a change.

00:27:48.340 They like their jobs.

00:27:49.520 They will respond to you.

00:27:51.240 if they realize there's going to be a consequence but the reason they're getting away with it well

00:27:55.460 to be fair is because we've let them and it's got to stop now i want to talk to you about your

00:28:01.140 third-party advertiser i think when i was looking at the elections alberta website the other day

00:28:06.000 you're one of the uh biggest fundraisers uh what to what do you attribute that success i think some

00:28:12.680 of it has to do with censorship um i also think it was because when you were one of the earliest

00:28:17.840 out of the gates but i also think it's because you've been around doing this for a long time

00:28:22.620 people trust you um and and they know that you have thought about these issues for a very long

00:28:28.740 time yeah i think it kind of laid out i think it was kind of a combination of all of that we were

00:28:34.260 the first out of the gate people just wanted to get on something campaign wise and support it they

00:28:38.260 were eager ready for the referendum and really nobody else was moving yet so that was just a

00:28:43.380 natural place for the for the funds to land plus i'm offering something tangible just here you know

00:28:48.080 you contribute there's going to be actual signs there's going to be advertising you're going to

00:28:51.460 see stuff happening from your contribution uh the other part yeah i i didn't pop out of nowhere i

00:28:58.080 wasn't uh somebody you know new to the scene or something i'm a stubborn independent supporter who

00:29:02.880 started an independence party back when i was 29 years old so i was a known commodity i guess you

00:29:07.960 could say in the independence world already so they knew that that my motivations were

00:29:11.860 to pursue independence and nothing else so just that that combination of all three things

00:29:16.900 led to uh it really taking off quite quickly and it's still going and i've still been

00:29:22.260 surprised myself by how how busy and well it's done so i'm quite happy with it though i was i

00:29:28.300 was flat-footed and unprepared to organize with it so now we've just got the uh great deal of

00:29:33.620 contributions and and when over 11 000 signs been made now it's just trying to get organized to get

00:29:39.060 and better distributed and like i know a little bit about your workload um because i think you

00:29:48.220 we both work in news so you know we work in news not olds which means you have to be working all

00:29:56.620 the time when the news breaks you and i are up at five writing alberta fact checks then we go off to

00:30:02.040 our respective companies to work the rest of the day and i know that after all of that you're giving

00:30:08.280 or in the evenings at Let's Talk Alberta speaking engagements, other speaking engagements, doing

00:30:12.880 sign deliveries. And I think people see that they see that you're really sincere in your efforts.

00:30:19.800 This is a labor of love for you beyond everything else. I think people see that and then they trust

00:30:27.420 you to be a leading voice in this. You're not some Johnny come lately. Well, I like to think

00:30:34.060 it shows yeah and then I put it out there I mean part of the reason I'm going so many hours of

00:30:38.780 course this is like the Super Bowl for separatists so we've got a referendum even if it's an imperfect

00:30:43.020 one coming this fall we've been waiting years and years for this we've got to hit it with all we've

00:30:48.400 got I'll sleep on October 20th so for the time being I'm just going to do everything I can manage

00:30:54.440 to do with my waking hours as you said and as we know you know independent media is going great

00:30:58.840 but it's hardly an extremely lucrative industry.

00:31:02.120 So we're not in it for the money, that's for sure.

00:31:05.920 So it shows with yourself and me,

00:31:07.840 where people are dedicated to conservatism

00:31:10.460 and getting the word out and political activism.

00:31:12.960 And it lends a bit of credibility

00:31:14.720 that some of the other and very genuine people

00:31:17.220 with some of the new TPAs are doing and working towards,

00:31:20.200 but they didn't have that advantage

00:31:22.380 of being established already in there

00:31:24.020 to be able to take off from.

00:31:25.400 So I was fortunate to have that already.

00:31:26.700 uh i don't know fortunate's the right word i think it's uh it just goes to your hard work

00:31:33.580 on this topic for many many years uh none of it is luck i'll tell you that much um you've written

00:31:40.540 a book though cory and you've written an updated version of your book the sovereign test handbook

00:31:45.820 tell us a little bit about that and where people can get it sure as was described it's like a field

00:31:51.420 manual part of uh pointing out i've been in the independence movement a long time and i'm quite

00:31:55.500 stubborn with it uh i've seen a lot of mistakes being repeated and a lot of new people getting

00:32:00.460 on board with the movement which is fantastic but they're not experienced campaigners they don't

00:32:03.820 necessarily know how best to make the case so i thought i'd actually write a guidebook just to

00:32:08.380 help people if they're getting involved because you don't have political parties necessarily well

00:32:11.740 involved or things that can organize that it helped train people to be an individual advocate

00:32:16.940 moving towards that same goal of independence so i packed it into the sovereignty's handbook

00:32:21.260 it got a little dusty after three and a half years i just needed to update it and get some

00:32:24.540 some more stuff on it so we did that update and re-released it with 50 extra pages and a much

00:32:29.440 cleaner copy through rebel media as a publisher uh what about a month ago and it's been taken off

00:32:34.520 really well since then that's great uh i think it's available at the sovereigntisthandbook.com

00:32:40.900 or on amazon um and i'm just excited to see those books fly off the table uh wherever you're at i

00:32:49.460 I think it's a great resource and helps people approach those conversations calmly because people are passionate about this on both sides of the debate.

00:33:00.360 And, you know, when you're armed with facts, it sort of takes the temperature down.

00:33:04.940 And sometimes it can get a little hot, as we saw an independent supporter get flung into traffic the other day in Edmonton.

00:33:13.040 So less of that, more conversations, please.

00:33:16.980 Absolutely.

00:33:17.420 uh corey before i let you go uh and i want to thank you for your time we're both very busy

00:33:23.580 um where can people find your work well for the tpa yeah you can go to corey morgan.com to see

00:33:30.300 what we're up to to order a sign or support us uh my writing work well it's albertafactcheck.com

00:33:36.140 of course you can find it there westernstandard.news and i write a regular column for epic times as well

00:33:42.060 Great. Corey, thanks so much. And I'll talk to you Monday morning, approximately 5 a.m.

00:33:51.140 Looking forward to it. All right. Thanks. Thanks. Bye.

00:34:02.080 Well, as always, the last portion of the show goes to you, our beloved viewers at home, because without you, there is no rebel news.

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00:35:13.840 the world, right? Okay. So sometimes I take the YouTube comments. Sometimes I take the rumble

00:35:22.060 comments today. It's from the email inbox and it's from someone who regularly writes me viewer

00:35:27.700 feedback. It's Bruce. You know him. He's basically my pen pal at this point. He's from Radway,

00:35:33.640 Alberta. He's got a cat named Delta. I know a lot about Bruce at this point. And he writes to me on

00:35:39.900 the show that I did like nine days ago, because there was no show on Wednesday because of the

00:35:44.920 holiday. And in that show, I was discussing with Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:35:53.720 about this weird tariff that the federal government is placing on canned food imports

00:36:01.620 from countries that aren't third world countries or developing countries, whatever that means.

00:36:08.060 So this would hit things like canned tomatoes, you know, not just, uh, and I, I say this

00:36:17.520 half tongue in cheek, but bizarre ethnic foods like mushy peach, mushy peas from the UK, but

00:36:25.660 like things like canned tomatoes which is a staple in a lot of diets it's how you stretch a buck

00:36:34.820 you know you throw it in your chili your chili goes a little longer i don't have to tell you

00:36:39.560 how to stretch a buck you guys are rebel news viewers you know so bruce writes to me writes

00:36:44.840 me and says hi sheila i don't understand it why does carney put a tariff on canned goods from

00:36:51.100 Europe and Asia when his government is supposed to be making deals with those nations.

00:36:58.140 Exactly. It doesn't make sense. He claims to be anti-American, or at least he behaves anti-American,

00:37:06.400 yet he tariffs foreign canned goods. Like many seniors, I rely on canned goods like vegetables,

00:37:13.440 fruit, milk, and meat. They last for years and are immune to loss of refrigeration. I get great

00:37:20.540 deals at walmart and dollarama but carney's new tax has scuttled those savings bruce and then he

00:37:26.280 says that he's 73 yeah this tariff hits the people who can least afford it as do most taxes

00:37:34.480 including sales taxes and carbon taxes it doesn't make a lot of sense i don't understand why he's

00:37:40.780 doing it um but it doesn't matter because he and his brookfield buddies are rich enough to

00:37:48.040 either afford the increase in goods or escape the increase in costs.

00:37:56.940 It's a, it's a despicable thing, taxing food, especially food that the poor rely on.

00:38:04.780 Well, everybody, that's the show for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody

00:38:08.340 back here in the same time. Maybe I, it'll be the same time and in the same place, maybe,

00:38:14.540 maybe next week. And as always, remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too

00:38:20.200 much to think.

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