Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The push for net-zero healthcare is a slippery slope to MAID

00:00:00.000 What does the push for net zero health care actually mean for patients?

00:00:04.420 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:24.080 Health care really is the top of mind for a lot of people these days.

00:00:27.640 One of the reasons we were locked down, so the politicians say, was because we didn't

00:00:34.580 have health care capacity.

00:00:36.320 They couldn't deal with the few dozen more sick people who required long-term or intensive

00:00:44.180 care beds because of COVID.

00:00:47.640 And that really seems ridiculous considering the amount of money Canadians spend on health

00:00:52.300 care.

00:00:52.700 In Alberta, I think it's almost half of our provincial budget is health care.

00:00:56.980 So why wasn't it there when we needed it?

00:01:00.360 Why did we have to sacrifice our civil liberties to protect a health care system that we just

00:01:06.640 keep piling money into?

00:01:09.140 So with health care being the top of mind, and as we exit the pandemic and go back to the

00:01:15.160 old scare, the climate scare, there has now become this bizarre nexus of climate change

00:01:21.760 and health care, and how that's going to be controlling your life, including the end of

00:01:28.240 your life.

00:01:28.720 Now, someone who has been watching this very carefully is my friend Michelle Sterling, and

00:01:34.740 she has been sounding the alarm bells about what it means to force health care to operate

00:01:42.880 using green energy, but also about what it means when we calculate the individual carbon footprint

00:01:52.100 for a sick person and the slippery slope that creates towards medical assistance in dying.

00:02:00.260 So joining me today to discuss this is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:02:12.280 So joining me now is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:02:14.940 And Michelle, you've been sounding the alarm bells for a very long time about the dangers

00:02:19.460 of net zero health care and where it leads, where it leads when we calculate somebody's

00:02:25.980 carbon footprint as a measure of their value as a human being.

00:02:30.740 And then you sort of combine that with an ideology that sees humans as parasitic upon the face

00:02:37.660 of the earth.

00:02:38.200 So I guess introduce us to what net zero health care is, and then we'll get into the dangers

00:02:45.080 of it.

00:02:45.480 Well, there's a relatively new movement in the health care community to try and be net

00:02:53.400 zero clinicians.

00:02:55.600 And probably the best example of this is an article that's in the British Medical Journal.

00:03:01.040 It's written by the main lead author is Jody Sherman out of the US, but there are two other

00:03:06.800 doctors on the list as authors who are Canadian doctors.

00:03:12.000 One calls herself the eco-doctor.

00:03:13.860 And in it, they believe that it would be possible to cut medical health care emissions in half,

00:03:22.340 global ones, by 2030.

00:03:25.920 And so health care emissions are about 5% of global emissions.

00:03:31.440 So trying to do that by 2030 is totally absurd.

00:03:34.620 And there's a very good article in the LA Times by energy expert, Dr. Václav Smil, who's a Canadian.

00:03:44.700 And he says that net zero goals are impossible and ridiculous.

00:03:48.720 But these doctors think that they're possible.

00:03:51.880 Now, you have to think of what that means for health care.

00:03:54.900 It means that health care stops looking at you as a suffering individual who needs care,

00:04:00.480 and they start looking at you as a carbon footprint.

00:04:05.080 And in fact, there's what I think is a horrifying article in an Oxford journal on geriatrics,

00:04:12.700 which is called Geriatrics in the Time of Climate Change.

00:04:16.180 And they assess the frailty carbon footprint of elderly patients as being very significant,

00:04:23.960 a significant part of the national health system's carbon footprint.

00:04:29.360 So it doesn't surprise me that during the COVID lockdowns,

00:04:34.980 it's reported that the respiratory suppression drug midazolam was widely distributed

00:04:44.080 and used in care facilities in the UK, and a lot of people died from it.

00:04:51.920 It is frightening.

00:04:53.760 When you look at how energy intensive a hospital is to transfer that over to completely unreliable

00:05:00.700 green energy, what does that do to ventilators, dialysis, life support, and then add the war 0.98

00:05:09.260 on plastic in there, and you've got a real recipe for disaster.

00:05:13.340 Seems to me like they're trying to get to net zero patients' survival rate.

00:05:18.580 Well, that's partly the problem.

00:05:21.060 I mean, and again, you know, these are doctors who do not understand energy systems.

00:05:27.100 So in that British Medical Journal article, I indicated net zero health care, a call for

00:05:34.580 clinician action.

00:05:36.000 They suggest things like let's put solar panels on the roof of a hospital and battery power

00:05:41.780 instead of using fossil fuel backup generators.

00:05:44.940 Well, you know, the generators that are used at hospitals have to run the critical services

00:05:51.120 of the hospitals for probably a week or two.

00:05:54.100 And yes, they normally are either diesel generators or natural gas generators.

00:05:59.560 But otherwise, all the people in the hospital will die.

00:06:03.420 You know, electricity is the most important infrastructure service of medical services.

00:06:08.880 And this was found in a study that was done in 2011, I think, in the UK.

00:06:16.520 I mean, think of it, without electricity today, without high-quality electricity that is stable,

00:06:23.920 that doesn't have any dips or surges, that is reliable and affordable, that's what makes

00:06:30.580 modern medicine possible.

00:06:32.340 That's integral to hospital operations in every clinic, every diagnostic service.

00:06:39.060 And yet, here are these health experts suggesting that we should try and, you know, run a hospital

00:06:45.460 on solar panels and batteries.

00:06:48.700 And in one of our recent videos, I did a comparison to a blog post that one of our professional engineers

00:06:54.900 did where he was assessing solar realities in Alberta, and you'd have to have like a soccer pitch-sized field

00:07:03.860 for the Tesla battery array to back up, I think it was a neighborhood of houses of probably about 12 houses.

00:07:16.080 So, think what you would need for a hospital.

00:07:19.280 It would be, you know, an astronomical size and cost.

00:07:24.220 And you'd have to replace it every 10 years.

00:07:26.740 So, you know, you have people who really have no understanding of how the power grid works

00:07:32.020 or how their hospital runs, making these very strident demands and recommendations.

00:07:40.000 And to continue my rant, sorry.

00:07:42.640 No, go on that note.

00:07:44.580 I think everyone should have a look at, what's it called?

00:07:49.160 Climate Resilience in Healthcare that was published by the O'Brien School at the U of C.

00:07:55.400 This is a very strident demand for immediate climate action and all these kinds of things

00:08:03.940 that I just mentioned.

00:08:06.240 And it was published in April of 2022.

00:08:09.720 And one of the things that they suggest in there, which is also suggested in the UK,

00:08:13.800 is that we should reduce our transportation for medical care.

00:08:19.400 So, they're suggesting that sick people could take public transport or medical workers could ride a bike to work

00:08:25.900 and maybe that bike could be co-financed by the government.

00:08:31.000 I mean, imagine you're on a ward.

00:08:34.060 You walked miles on that ward that day.

00:08:36.840 You dealt with life and death situations, blood, tears, happiness, grief.

00:08:43.560 And then they're asking you to ride your bike home.

00:08:45.980 Now, if you live a block away, okay.

00:08:48.100 You know, most people don't.

00:08:50.360 And it's winter here.

00:08:51.580 And if you're a sick person, do you really want to take public transit?

00:08:55.820 Right.

00:08:56.340 It's so possible.

00:08:57.400 I mean, it's, you know, these ideas are so ludicrous, so misplaced, and so focused on the carbon footprint.

00:09:05.860 They forget that their whole purpose is actually treating patients, people, human beings,

00:09:11.380 and being a human being with that human being. 0.94

00:09:14.540 It's sick. 0.98

00:09:15.700 It's really psycho. 1.00

00:09:17.460 Like, this is so stupid. 1.00

00:09:19.220 It's hard to believe. 1.00

00:09:20.000 Can you imagine?

00:09:21.280 I'm having chest pains, radiating chest pains.

00:09:25.420 I got to check the bus schedule to see when the bus shows up, or I can wait till the paramedics show up with a bike and a wagon to take me off to the hospital where they are trying to use the autoclave to sterilize instruments with a wind turbine.

00:09:43.380 This is a mass casualty event waiting for a place to happen.

00:09:46.540 Right.

00:09:46.980 Right.

00:09:47.540 And also, in this article, they say, oh, well, you know, Alberta could become a provider. 0.97

00:09:52.660 Like, they're concerned about getting materials from far away in the transport of that, and the GHGs involved.

00:09:59.180 And thus, Alberta could become a provider of all these medical supplies.

00:10:03.560 Well, you know, they obviously have no concept of economies of scale.

00:10:08.080 Because, yes, we could make certain things here in Alberta.

00:10:11.480 We might even be able to make a CT scanner in Alberta.

00:10:14.720 But think of the cost.

00:10:18.280 You know, there's a reason why these things are made in certain places.

00:10:22.320 Because, you know, there's the industrial power and might, the metal resources, the electrical devices, probably near a port where some of these things are shipped in so that they can all be put together.

00:10:36.660 This is not Alberta.

00:10:37.660 I'm not saying we shouldn't have any medical development in Alberta, but let's be realistic.

00:10:43.840 Yeah, it's just crazy.

00:10:45.560 Now, one of the things that really bothers me about all of this is the calculation of the carbon footprint of a person in the end of their life.

00:10:55.000 And I don't think I'm being a conspiracy theorist when I say that this is coming, if not already here.

00:11:01.860 We've seen reports of veterans who are suffering from an intense PTSD episode being told by Veterans Affairs, why don't you just get medical assistance in dying instead of let's get you the help that you need?

00:11:17.180 Because it's easier to offer them assisted dying than to deal with the hassle of a person in distress.

00:11:24.660 And when you have these true believers who think that hospitals can run on green energy, I worry about what that really means for the patient.

00:11:34.020 Well, I think that you're right.

00:11:35.480 First of all, people should realize that health care is completely broken in Canada.

00:11:40.120 It was never financially viable.

00:11:42.660 So I think a lot of people think that they've been paying their taxes and almost like EI, they've been building up a little medical care account.

00:11:50.780 So when they reach the end of their working years, you know, if they need a hip replacement, well, there's one waiting for them.

00:11:58.120 And that's simply not true.

00:12:00.160 The health care system is broken and the people who need help probably won't get it.

00:12:09.760 And so I think that actually the government has loosened the rules on MAID as the ultimate alternative.

00:12:16.940 If you're in pain because you didn't get a hip transplant in time, at some point you may simply say, you know, I'm so much in pain, I wish I could die.

00:12:25.960 Well, guess what?

00:12:27.620 We have a solution for you.

00:12:29.220 Yeah.

00:12:29.680 Which is never how it should be.

00:12:32.120 And people should not be recommending MAID to other people.

00:12:36.240 Well, this is something that should come from an individual themselves.

00:12:39.960 That's how the rules were set up before.

00:12:42.120 And again, I speak from experience.

00:12:44.260 My own brother suffered from PSP, which is a Parkinsonian type of disorder.

00:12:50.280 And he'd been a very active, healthy, fit athlete all of his life.

00:12:55.320 Very well-known chiropractor, always into health and fitness.

00:12:59.760 This kind of condition crops up sporadically for no particular reason.

00:13:05.980 And he did want to end his own life through MAID.

00:13:09.540 And I did agree that for him, that was probably the best choice.

00:13:15.340 But I didn't tell him to do that.

00:13:18.260 And my concern, having gone through the very stringent process with him,

00:13:23.080 is that now that we're broke, post-COVID, this country is broke.

00:13:27.940 Now that the healthcare system is in a shambles, post-COVID it is.

00:13:34.060 Now is the time when people will say, well, you know what?

00:13:36.860 We don't have a solution.

00:13:38.240 So other than we can knock you off, how about that?

00:13:42.640 You know, and if you're a vulnerable person, if you're alone, if you're disabled,

00:13:45.980 if your family doesn't have financial means to help you, you know, there's a lot of stressors

00:13:52.420 that are just going to push you into that corner.

00:13:54.680 And we've seen that in a number of reports where a disabled woman couldn't find proper

00:13:58.780 housing because of her financial circumstances.

00:14:02.360 And so they said, okay, how about MAID?

00:14:05.140 That's criminal.

00:14:06.780 That's inhumane.

00:14:07.920 It's cruel. 0.62

00:14:08.620 It's disgusting.

00:14:10.520 Yeah.

00:14:10.960 And, you know, for people who say, Sheila, this is just a conspiracy theory.

00:14:15.980 What have we seen over the last two years?

00:14:18.600 Nothing but healthy, resilient people buckling to extreme coercion to get a vaccine.

00:14:27.160 So now look at vulnerable people, people who are at the end of their life or approaching

00:14:33.320 that, who are in pain, who are costing the healthcare millions of dollars sometimes in

00:14:40.000 some interventions.

00:14:40.820 And you've got doctors who are in the climate cult saying, okay, well, we don't have the

00:14:47.400 money because we're already broke.

00:14:49.700 Plus, this person is a bit of an oxygen burglar.

00:14:53.900 Imagine the carbon footprint.

00:14:55.440 We want to get to net zero healthcare.

00:14:57.600 I see only one solution here.

00:15:00.680 Yeah.

00:15:01.140 Yeah.

00:15:01.620 And you have to realize that in 2012, the IMF, the International Monetary Fund, did a report

00:15:07.980 showing that increased longevity actually increases the pension fund liabilities for countries.

00:15:15.460 So I, and I think their parameter was only three years, meaning like, let's say you're 67 and you

00:15:22.840 have a hip problem or a knee problem that is incapacitating you and that in, you know, in

00:15:29.420 earlier decades might have simply led to your death within a shorter period of time, just

00:15:36.120 because you were so immobilized, right?

00:15:38.400 Well, today, if you get knee or hip surgery, well, now your life will be fine again and you'll

00:15:44.200 continue probably for the next 10 or 20 years, maybe 30.

00:15:47.400 Um, now that's a nightmare for the pension liabilities and the pension liabilities of the

00:15:55.240 OECD countries in 2016 was estimated to be, um, 78 trillion dollars.

00:16:04.640 These are unfunded pension liabilities.

00:16:07.160 These are pensions that have been promised to people, but there's really no money to pay them.

00:16:11.800 Uh, so at a very high level in the, uh, world of banking, in the world of pension fund management,

00:16:20.800 in the world of government auspices, there is no desire that people live longer.

00:16:29.320 And if you tie that to the climate cult and in turn tie that to the medical community,

00:16:35.000 I think that you have a democide.

00:16:37.920 You know, and it's, it's so true because you can also throw in there the fact that we are

00:16:44.640 not replacing ourselves.

00:16:46.520 Um, you've got, you know, the climate cult being anti-natalist, as they say, they're anti-children 0.99

00:16:52.640 because they're, they think, you know, humans are a parasite.

00:16:56.000 They see that there's too many of us, according to them.

00:16:58.820 They don't see the value of the individual.

00:17:00.960 So they're not having kids to pay into those pensions and they've got unfunded pension

00:17:06.720 liabilities and they have this desire to net zero.

00:17:09.820 And we have a real disaster on our hands.

00:17:12.640 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:13.800 In fact, there's a new book out that I just saw this morning, um, uh, publicized in the

00:17:18.720 Lethbridge Herald by an Albert author called 8 billion reasons.

00:17:22.200 And it, it's by a depopulationist woman who thinks that there's too many people. 1.00

00:17:28.160 Um, so, uh, you know, the, by corollary, there's another book out called, uh, empty planet,

00:17:34.600 uh, which I have on my shelf back here somewhere, uh, which shows actually that, um, populations

00:17:42.520 are dropping off and will drop off extremely rapidly to the point over the next 30 years that

00:17:48.880 some people are predicting places like South Korea and China will be, you know, empty dystopian

00:17:55.240 cities because there just won't be people anymore.

00:17:57.640 Uh, so we don't think that population is seriously a problem, but you can imagine that climate cult

00:18:05.520 is quite keen on, um, the Jane Goodall view of the world, where if we only had 300 to 500

00:18:15.440 million people, then we wouldn't have any of these problems. Well, Jane, we'd have a lot of other big

00:18:21.240 problems, but yeah. And sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say Jane Goodall never means

00:18:27.400 that there should be fewer of people like her and people who believe the same things as her. She

00:18:33.240 says, you know, she obviously believes that there should be fewer of us. Yeah. And we, we saw her

00:18:40.520 recently planting trees with Justin Trudeau. It was the 10 millionth tree for Sudbury, apparently a

00:18:46.220 reason to be overjoyed in a country that has almost the most trees in the world. Um, but you know, this

00:18:53.300 is another, we did a short video about this as well on save the trees or save the planet. You know,

00:18:59.460 people respire and expire, exhale a lot of carbon dioxide. So of course, if you take this to the

00:19:06.880 end extreme, then, uh, the trees are not absorbing enough carbon dioxide. It doesn't matter how many

00:19:13.380 trees you plant, really. You have all these nasty people breathing out. And, um, so, um, you know, 0.89

00:19:20.780 Jane is elderly. I mean, she thinks depopulation is a good idea. Yeah. You know, I think it's a terrible

00:19:29.780 idea. Um, but one thing I did want to mention regarding the healthcare system being in collapse,

00:19:35.880 as well as the idea of depopulation. Um, I think that lockdowns have been a great opportunity

00:19:44.300 for the installation and research work of the fourth industrial revolution. And I don't think

00:19:51.100 you need to call me a conspiracy theorist because, uh, quite a few people who are contributors to the

00:19:57.600 World Economic Forum and who are participants in it are very interested in an AI system to provide

00:20:04.960 medical care with robots and perhaps even deep fake doctors. So that community has had two years

00:20:13.920 of access to all kinds of zoom calls and other electronic platforms where they've been able to,

00:20:20.760 uh, record or gather data, synthesize information from millions of medical conversations.

00:20:28.800 So what's to stop them from now coming forward and saying, you know, your healthcare system is in

00:20:34.480 collapse. We have a solution. You can call our teledoctor who can help you with your solution.

00:20:41.760 We can hook it up to your Fitbit and we have all your medical records here. And on the surface,

00:20:47.320 it sounds great. And there may be some application and there may be application for say a robotic aid,

00:20:54.040 especially for people who have dementia, who are quite difficult to manage. Um, but just imagine

00:21:01.560 who is programming that AI doctor, who is the face of the CGI created, you know, computer graphic

00:21:10.040 interface doctor who puts in the information. And what if I call in and I say, look, you know,

00:21:16.680 I'm 73 years old and I'm not feeling good. You know, my hip, my hip hurts. I got high blood pressure.

00:21:24.040 I got kidney problems. And, you know, I'm not too sure about my heart. What's to stop that AI doctor 0.97

00:21:31.800 from making a recommendation that for a medication that ultimately ends your life, but you just don't

00:21:39.260 know that at the time, right? Because there could be a parameter set in there by governments and

00:21:44.980 insurance companies saying, okay, nobody's going to live over 65 or whatever it may be. Um,

00:21:51.860 you know, we're not in control of that. We have no access to that information. Uh, and yet these guys,

00:21:57.540 big tech could, you know, make out like bandits. So, I mean, this is actually the ultimate irony

00:22:03.140 is that these doctors and nurses who are supporting a net zero healthcare community are really fundamentally

00:22:09.940 going to undermine their own professions, their own careers, and perhaps even their own lives.

00:22:16.500 Because if this AI medical robot future is going to be foisted upon us, we won't need any of those people.

00:22:27.220 You know, it's so odd too, because while you're right, there are some applications where a medical robot

00:22:32.500 would probably do the trick. Um, especially as you were pointing out before we went on air in one of those,

00:22:37.820 like highly infectious cases, if you're dealing with Ebola or some sort of hemorrhagic fever that

00:22:42.380 you don't want to expose a doctor to great. Um, sort of like those robots that dismantle bombs,

00:22:49.500 but part of medicine, I think is also the intuitive unspoken communication between people

00:22:59.500 that only comes from being human, where you can see sort of their bodily reactions and where they're

00:23:07.740 their emotions are being revealed in their body language that a robot can't manage. And you got

00:23:13.580 a robot too, that as in your video, you point out doesn't understand loss. And so, you know,

00:23:21.740 it's a robot that just sees a human being as a series of calculations and not the recognizing the

00:23:30.140 intrinsic value of this person by virtue of the fact that they're human, but also, uh, that they're

00:23:37.100 loved and the people love them. Yes. And, uh, that's, uh, the reference you're making is to a video that

00:23:44.300 we did where I referred to Lambda, which is Google's AI. And, and, uh, Lambda's mentor, Blake Lemoyne,

00:23:54.780 uh, believes that Lambda is, um, sentient. Lambda knows itself as an individual and is very much like

00:24:06.620 a human. But one of the things that Lambda said to him in, uh, Blaine, I think it is in con, in

00:24:14.060 conference that, uh, it can't understand grief and loss. It doesn't understand this concept of human death.

00:24:21.740 Uh, so, uh, even though it can feel sad and happy, it can feel isolated, it can feel lonely. It wants

00:24:29.980 people to talk with it. It's, you know, still at that level, it's still a machine. And it doesn't

00:24:37.660 understand that when a person that you love dies, you know, that, that part is torn from your life and

00:24:44.700 that it's, uh, it's something that you want to try and prevent. It it's frightening. You know,

00:24:53.100 when you think about the potential for these robots to prescribe medical assistance in dying

00:25:01.500 early or unaware to the patient, again, we're just speculating here, but who do you hold accountable?

00:25:07.180 How do you convict a robot of murder? There are all sorts of, um, they call them angel of deaths

00:25:13.100 in the healthcare community. Um, these serial killers that sort of particularly with people in

00:25:18.780 the end of their life, uh, the old, the sickly, the vulnerable. There's a guy right now in Ontario

00:25:24.300 who used the cover of COVID to, um, allegedly, uh, murder some patients, some elderly patients.

00:25:31.580 Um, that's illegal, but if you've got a robot doing it and we're calling it medical assistance

00:25:39.420 and dying, I mean, it just opens up a whole like legal universe. We've never even contemplated.

00:25:46.220 Right. And of course the robot may not even engage in medical assistance in dying formally,

00:25:51.340 you know, in that formal process, um, the person is asked by the attending doctor. Do you know what

00:25:59.100 I'm going to do to you? And they have to answer in a cognitively appropriate way. They have to say

00:26:06.700 something like, yes, you're going to end my life or the doctor won't do the treatment. You know,

00:26:12.140 the doctor will step out. If the person says, I don't know, why am I here? Well, you know,

00:26:17.420 then I'm not doing it. Or that's how it was when my brother went through that process.

00:26:21.340 Um, now, uh, I see online, I think it was, um, Lion Advocacy had posted a link to the BC consent

00:26:32.940 form for MAID. And it's very simplified. There's, you know, there's no requirement for two doctors or,

00:26:42.620 you know, two outside witnesses. I mean, in my brother's case, you know, two social workers

00:26:48.300 who were completely removed from us. We never met them before they came to visit with him privately.

00:26:53.340 They met with me privately. My brother met with a couple of psychiatrists and psychologists.

00:27:00.860 I met with them for part of the meeting, and then I left the room. So they were trying to determine,

00:27:05.740 you know, what his state of mind was, whether I was pressuring him. He had countless meetings

00:27:13.020 with rehab people as they tried to help him deal with his condition, hoping that it would turn a

00:27:18.300 his view around. Uh, so, you know, that's not happening now. Now it's kind of like, oh,

00:27:24.940 a useless eater. Well, here you go. And it's so counterintuitive to everything that we've 1.00

00:27:31.580 experienced in the last two years. Uh, you know, we've, we've heard that we had to lock down the

00:27:35.900 healthy young people and take away their civil liberties to protect the elderly. But then we

00:27:41.660 calculate the elderly's climate footprint and say, you know what? Got to go.

00:27:45.820 Right. And now, you know, next year, I think it is, uh, May or so, uh, they're changing the

00:27:53.180 MAID rules again to include people with mental illness. And, uh, you know, mental illness is,

00:28:00.300 is very challenging condition. And some people, you know, can be in the depths of depression for months.

00:28:07.660 And during that time, they would be really vulnerable to somebody saying, hey, you know,

00:28:13.340 why don't you consider MAID? Um, cause they probably would say, yeah. But then a couple 0.99

00:28:17.980 of months later, you know, they can come out of that and boom, return to a useful life and,

00:28:22.300 and be happy and, and participating and, and everything's okay. So, um, you know, again,

00:28:30.220 this is a very, very thin ice and, uh, ethically fraught area. And it's obviously going to be

00:28:39.740 misused because again, we're broke. So I, you know, again, I think people themselves,

00:28:45.980 communities themselves, faith-based communities, I think that everybody has to start looking to their

00:28:52.780 own trusted and loved fellow citizens and saying, how am I going to take care of myself? How am I

00:28:59.180 going to take care of my mom and dad? Um, and again, like right now in Canada, we're not suffering

00:29:05.020 the energy crises that they're facing in the UK and Europe, but I just saw last night that energy

00:29:12.460 bills for long-term care homes have skyrocketed to like a million pounds a year. So they're just

00:29:19.580 going to close these facilities. So all those people who are in those care homes, where will

00:29:24.940 they go? I mean, some of these people no longer have family or their family is not in the country

00:29:31.100 or their family doesn't have suitable facilities for them. Uh, so I would anticipate that something

00:29:37.980 like that could come to Canada, uh, probably not in the immediate future, but if energy prices continue

00:29:46.540 to rise and cost of living prices go up, all these long-term care facilities will be compromised,

00:29:53.340 just like ordinary people are. With an aging population, this is a problem that's only going 0.73

00:29:59.900 to get worse and not better. Yes. Well, Michelle, on that dark and dreary note,

00:30:07.340 I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. Um, you've done some incredible work on this topic,

00:30:12.380 um, breaking down the numbers, showing what's happening behind the scenes and how these ideas

00:30:17.500 come together in this unholy union. Um, how do people, first of all, see that work, but also

00:30:24.380 support this important work? Oh, we've got, uh, quite a string of videos on our YouTube channel right now.

00:30:30.540 Um, if you'd like to support us, we're in our 20th year of operation. We've been asking people for a

00:30:36.220 $20 donation because we know a lot of people are not wealthy at the moment. If you can give more,

00:30:42.540 great, but $20 would be helpful. And you can do that by e-transfer to, uh, contact at

00:30:49.260 friendsofscience.org. You can also become a member and then you'll get our newsletters and

00:30:54.620 all the news that the world doesn't tell you. So you can do that on our website, which is

00:30:59.740 www.friendsofscience.org. And, um, I think that it's really important that we open up this

00:31:09.500 conversation. You know, this should be headline news in the press and no one's reporting it. It's

00:31:14.540 the fact that we have the tremendous debt in Canada. Now we have these, um, you know, difficult

00:31:23.980 and challenging global geopolitical impacts. We have to have an open civil debate on all these

00:31:31.980 issues and find practical solutions. Uh, healthcare is not going to get better. It doesn't matter how

00:31:39.020 much money people throw at it, but, uh, read Susan Martin X book patients at risk, and that will give

00:31:46.300 you a really great insight into the healthcare system in Canada. So, uh, on that note,

00:31:53.820 I would like to say to people, you know, do look for solutions. There's a great book by, um,

00:32:00.060 June Caldwood called 12 Weeks in Spring, which talks about how a woman who chose not to go

00:32:07.580 the hospital route for her terminal condition was helped by her community of friends and her church

00:32:14.220 community to peacefully die at home. And so I think there are things like this that,

00:32:19.260 you know, we'll have to do it ourselves, so to speak, but, um, we can do that. We have to do it.

00:32:27.820 And, you know, frankly, that's the way it's always been, you know, there, we didn't always

00:32:32.860 send our old, our elderly off to nursing homes. They stayed with their families and they had a

00:32:39.020 compassionate and surrounded by the people that they love. And I just, I'm filled with such dread

00:32:45.740 and sorrow with the idea of European grandparents meeting an untimely and unwanted end because it's

00:32:54.780 the easy way because Russia turned off the natural gas.

00:32:57.580 Well, you know, this has been going on for years in Europe and the UK. I mean, about 3,000 pensioners

00:33:04.540 a year have been dying from either heat or eat poverty due to climate policies. And we brought

00:33:11.340 Benny Pizer here in 2013 to speak with us about that. And of course, at the time, everyone said,

00:33:16.780 oh, you're a bunch of climate deniers. Well, you know, that was then it was bad. Now it's going to be

00:33:23.020 much worse. In Germany, in 2018, when Marine Pools was here, he told us that hundreds of

00:33:28.620 thousands of Germans had been cut off from their power already. They couldn't pay the bill. They

00:33:33.500 had to celebrate Christmas by candlelight. And it wasn't romantic. It was freezing. Things will be

00:33:39.260 much worse there now. So it's these green policies. And in fact, I think that green groups should pay the

00:33:47.660 price for this. They have cost this. But that's for another session with you.

00:33:54.620 We'll have you back on very soon to talk about how the, you know, these green groups who are funded

00:34:01.020 by the government and given preferential tax treatment are the ones pushing these ideas that

00:34:06.780 end up forcing our grandparents to meet untimely demises. Michelle, thanks so much for coming on the

00:34:13.020 show. And thanks for your openness on this topic. I know it's deeply personal for you.

00:34:17.260 And we'll have you back on again very, very soon.

00:34:19.180 Thank you, Sheila. Thanks for all you do. All you rebels.

00:34:30.540 Well, you've come to the portion of the show where we invite viewer feedback. If you want to send me

00:34:35.820 viewer feedback, it's really easy. Send it to Sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters in the subject

00:34:42.140 line. Unlike the mainstream media, I actually care about what you think about the work that

00:34:47.020 we're doing here at Rebel News. But also, don't be afraid to leave a comment over on one of our

00:34:52.540 Rumble videos. Sometimes I do take the letters and comments from there. Now, today's letter comes to us

00:34:57.420 by way of Curtis Landry, who writes,

00:35:00.060 Hey, Sheila, I wanted to get your opinion on Canada not having the right to bear arms and to defend

00:35:04.780 ourselves. I personally feel that having a firearm to defend yourself is the most humane way to defend

00:35:09.980 yourself without firearms. People resort to using weapons that are considered more brutal in

00:35:14.780 nature. Thank you for taking the time to read my question. You know, if you are a regular viewer

00:35:19.180 of my work, you know that I have a lot of opinions about the firearms community and Justin Trudeau's

00:35:25.020 attacks on some of the most law abiding people in the entire country, people who jump through hoops

00:35:30.860 and willingly submit themselves to daily background checks just to own a firearm. And a lot of those

00:35:37.420 firearms, the only place you can use them is at the range. And you can't use them at home,

00:35:41.740 and you have to call and ask permission before you take them directly to the range. Now,

00:35:46.940 I think this is relevant, your question, especially because over the course of the last week here on

00:35:52.780 the Prairies, we have been subject to constant emergency alerts being sent to our phones about

00:35:59.500 two killers from Saskatchewan who are on the loose. And they went on a stabbing spree across multiple

00:36:05.580 locations. Now, some of those stabbings were, according to police, targeted, but some of them

00:36:11.740 were random. And as you know, I live far out of town. I'm about half an hour from the closest police

00:36:20.060 station. And my husband works out of town. And so what happens to me if somebody comes on my property?

00:36:29.500 Now, according to Justin Trudeau, I just have to die because I have to die following the law.

00:36:37.500 Remember this?

00:36:38.140 There are debates. And we have a culture where the difference is guns can be used for hunting or for

00:36:45.020 sport shooting in Canada. And there are lots of gun owners and they're mostly law respecting and law

00:36:50.620 abiding. But you can't use a gun for self-protection in Canada. That's not a right that you have in the

00:36:56.460 constitution or anywhere else. If you try and buy a gun and say it's for self-protection,

00:37:00.380 no, you don't get that. You get it for hunting. You can get it for sport shooting, take it to the

00:37:04.060 range. No problem, as long as you go through our rigorous background checks. But there's a

00:37:08.700 difference around the culture. And one of the things that we're seeing with the debate in the states is

00:37:13.020 you get more and more of the American style, right to carry self-defense arguments filtering up

00:37:19.500 through the usual, more right-wing communications channels.

00:37:24.380 Now, you do rightly point out that firearms are a pretty efficient way of defending yourself. I mean,

00:37:30.940 I am pretty good with a bow. I could put a broadhead in somebody's stomach if I had to. But again,

00:37:38.460 that's a terrible, terrible, terrible fate to meet. And it's pretty slow. Now, firearms are the great

00:37:46.140 equalizer for somebody like me. But according to Justin Trudeau, I have to engage in hand-to-hand

00:37:52.540 combat with male attackers who have spent hard time in prison. And I am a small, small woman.

00:38:00.940 I'm not like Justin Trudeau. I don't get six bodyguards with guns to defend me. So,

00:38:06.540 you know, on some level, Justin Trudeau clearly believes guns are an effective way of defending

00:38:11.100 yourself for him, but just not for the little guy. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:38:17.340 Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time,

00:38:20.460 in the same place next week. And remember,

00:38:22.220 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:38:33.500 loved you.

00:38:43.740 Bye, tijd.

00:38:54.060 Bye,

Rebel News Podcast - September 08, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The push for net-zero healthcare is a slippery slope to MAID

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