Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The UN Climate Prom is mercifully over

00:00:00.240 After nearly three weeks in one of the nicest destinations on the planet,

00:00:06.880 the United Nations has finally wrapped up their climate scare conference.

00:00:12.000 How much poorer and colder are we going to be?

00:00:15.120 I called in an expert to break it down.

00:00:17.200 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:36.960 Well, this week culminates three weeks of coverage of the United Nations annual climate scare conference.

00:00:45.440 You might hear it referred to as COP28, that's Conference of the Parties, 28th edition,

00:00:52.640 wherein the world's elites fly on private jets to, normally these things are at fancy places.

00:01:00.460 This year it's in the United Arab Emirates, an oil-rich place where they build things just to build them.

00:01:06.440 And they go there, they have three weeks of parties mixed in with meetings

00:01:11.940 where they celebrate themselves for doing nonsensical things like ramping up ambition to fight climate change.

00:01:18.420 What does that mean? Who even knows? Sounds expensive.

00:01:22.660 I've called in an expert, though, to help us navigate what happened sort of at the last minute

00:01:27.800 at the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:01:30.100 It's Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.

00:01:34.960 Tom and I normally run into each other at these things when we go to the climate change conferences,

00:01:40.900 but going to the UAE is cost prohibitive if you're not a well-funded green activist.

00:01:49.680 So that's why Tom didn't go.

00:01:51.760 And I didn't go because the United Arab Emirates is not really a place that I can do unauthorized reporting in.

00:01:57.640 So I didn't think it was worth risking time in an Emirati jail cell to make fun of Stephen Gilbo.

00:02:04.280 I can do that from home. A lot safer. For now.

00:02:08.300 So joining me now in an interview we just finished recording is my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:02:15.740 Take a listen.

00:02:16.460 So joining me now is good friend of the show, my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:02:29.360 This is week three of what the heck is going on at what's called COP28.

00:02:34.240 It's the annual UN Climate Change Conference for the normal people.

00:02:38.060 Tom, thanks for coming on the show. 0.96

00:02:42.040 Every year at these things, I just cringe at how hypocritical they are.

00:02:47.120 They go to some of the more opulent places of the world.

00:02:50.360 Everybody flies private and they go there to tell you that you need to drive a smaller car,

00:02:58.000 freeze in the dark and have a low flow showerhead that doesn't get the soap out of your hair.

00:03:03.080 Did the same thing happen again this year?

00:03:05.620 I'm pretty sure it did, right?

00:03:06.840 Yeah, yeah. Even more than usual.

00:03:09.140 It's interesting. I went to the Copenhagen COP back in 2009 and it was, believe it or not,

00:03:16.440 the biggest climate conference, actually it was the biggest conference of any kind ever held on Earth.

00:03:22.220 They had 30,000 delegates and yet this one has 70,000.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, because it's nicer. It's nicer than Copenhagen.

00:03:31.340 I just came back from Dubai.

00:03:33.400 And so I know this is a place that is impossible without fossil fuels, either from the revenue and economic wealth generated by fossil fuels,

00:03:44.180 but also the cooling, the heating, the enormous structures that they build just to build them.

00:03:50.880 You know, like you don't build a man-made island where you have luxury condos.

00:03:57.100 You don't do that without fossil fuels.

00:03:59.160 So the idea that they've taken this, you know, worry war, the world's going to end conference to a place like Dubai to tell Dubai to phase out fossil fuels, good luck to them.

00:04:09.880 Yeah, I hope you don't mind my dog barking in the background.

00:04:13.320 Oh, it's fine.

00:04:15.240 At least, you know, I'm a real person.

00:04:17.820 Yep.

00:04:18.400 But, yeah, and, you know, it's sad because at the beginning of the conference, you're right, Al Jabber, just before the conference started,

00:04:25.300 you were talking about this last week with Michel, said some extremely sensible things.

00:04:29.840 He said, you know, the science does not back the idea that we can limit temperature to 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels, you know, by getting rid of fossil fuels.

00:04:41.460 And that's exactly right.

00:04:42.940 In fact, on my shelf here right behind me is climate change, fossil fuels.

00:04:49.680 So the real catastrophe that would happen is, in fact, if we get off fossil fuels, you know.

00:04:56.600 So at the beginning of the conference, I had really high hopes that the Arabs and the OPEC countries would stick to their guns and say, 0.96

00:05:03.700 no, we're not going to have any reference in here to fossil fuels.

00:05:07.320 And, indeed, that was the case for the first two drafts.

00:05:10.160 But the other delegates went berserk, you know, it just went crazy.

00:05:14.940 And you saw that 12-year-old that ran up front and got all that attention.

00:05:18.700 And, sadly, they gave her a lot of attention.

00:05:20.640 But in the final analysis, they didn't actually call for a phase out of fossil fuels or even a phase down.

00:05:28.780 I'll have the text here.

00:05:30.360 It says the text calls for, and this is exactly the quote,

00:05:34.400 transitioning away from fossil fuels in energy systems in a just, orderly, and equitable manner,

00:05:41.420 accelerating action in this critical decade so as to achieve net zero by 2050 in keeping with the science.

00:05:47.600 Now, it's interesting, the way it was worded, it gives them the option of continuing to use fossil fuels after 2050

00:05:55.420 as long as they are focused on the net zero thing.

00:05:59.520 So, in other words, they can have carbon sequestration, okay, carbon dioxide sequestration underground,

00:06:04.860 which is, of course, insane.

00:06:06.700 I mean, who would ever want to do that?

00:06:08.100 It makes no sense because carbon dioxide is plant food.

00:06:10.900 And it'll increase the cost of electricity massively, of course.

00:06:14.120 So, I guess the Arab countries, the OPEC countries figured, well, this gives us an out, okay? 0.69

00:06:20.160 As long as we're headed towards net zero, we can keep using fossil fuels after 2050.

00:06:26.020 Now, the bottom line, though, is that in the long run, that means no coal, okay?

00:06:31.000 Because you might remember Bob Murray, who was the head of Murray Energy,

00:06:34.400 he testified before the U.S. Congress, and that was a coal company, a coal mining company.

00:06:40.060 And he said specifically, carbon capture and sequestration, or carbon dioxide capture and

00:06:46.380 sequestration, it really means no coal, because the prices go so high, nobody would ever build

00:06:52.340 a coal station again.

00:06:53.640 And, of course, that's their goal.

00:06:55.240 They want to see no more coal.

00:06:57.260 And yet, coal is a wonderful source of energy, you know?

00:07:00.420 I mean, I showed you last time.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, just ask China. 0.91

00:07:02.600 Just ask China. 0.93

00:07:03.560 It's a great source of energy, and if you use proper pollution control devices, it's perfectly

00:07:10.140 fine.

00:07:10.720 There's no reason not to use coal and to keep using coal.

00:07:13.860 In fact, you know, coal is what should be used as our baseload energy in addition to

00:07:19.020 nuclear and hydro, because if you use natural gas for all of your baseload, that's really

00:07:25.980 a reverse Midas touch.

00:07:27.740 That's turning gold into lead.

00:07:30.100 Because, you know, natural gas is a special fuel.

00:07:32.420 It's great for home heating.

00:07:34.320 It's great for making all sorts of things, you know, pharmaceuticals and stuff.

00:07:38.200 But, you know, coal is much less expensive if you don't put ridiculous regulations on it.

00:07:43.640 So we should be wanting to use coal.

00:07:46.220 A good example is of what happens when you stop using coal happened in Ontario.

00:07:51.340 We had a quarter of our electricity coming from coal, and we had pretty low rates.

00:07:56.840 Dalton McGinty in 2002, he said,

00:08:00.860 this is old technology at a big lump of big pile of coal on a desk, which is just the theater.

00:08:06.560 And of course, coal is not technology.

00:08:08.500 Coal is a resource.

00:08:09.800 It's how you burn it that matters.

00:08:11.900 And he said, we're going to get rid of it.

00:08:13.360 And he did.

00:08:13.980 He got from 25%.

00:08:15.640 We got now 0% from coal.

00:08:18.100 And our electricity prices doubled and, in some cases, tripled, depending on the time frame,

00:08:23.840 largely because we got rid of our least expensive source of energy, our least expensive source for electricity.

00:08:29.680 So and it's also super reliable.

00:08:32.380 I mean, if you think about it, you keep at least like a year's supply right on site.

00:08:37.780 You're not reliant on pipes coming in, supplying you with natural gas.

00:08:41.800 Now, I'm not speaking against natural gas because it's a wonderful fuel.

00:08:45.640 No question about it.

00:08:47.080 But coal actually gives you that additional security of keeping all that resource right there on your site.

00:08:54.720 OK, so there's a group in the United States.

00:08:56.800 Sorry, and you don't need any special containment.

00:08:59.840 You don't need a tank farm.

00:09:01.220 You don't need, you know, special tanker ships to transport it.

00:09:05.300 You just throw it on a barge and off you go with it.

00:09:07.840 And you dump it in a pile and it just stays there until you come back and get it.

00:09:11.780 It doesn't contaminate anything.

00:09:13.400 There's no there's no special things that you need to keep coal in one spot.

00:09:18.880 You're right.

00:09:19.320 There's no expiry date unless you're dealing in millions of years.

00:09:23.220 Right.

00:09:24.460 That's right.

00:09:25.020 So, I mean, it's a wonderful fuel to use and we should keep using it.

00:09:28.900 And I know Alberta has a lot of coal in its electricity mix, and that's great.

00:09:33.260 And I really hope, you know, this is one thing Pierre Polyev says that I really disagree with.

00:09:38.120 I mean, he says that we want to help developing countries get off of coal and move over to clean Canadian natural gas.

00:09:44.540 Well, of course, it's great to have that additional export source.

00:09:48.360 But the bottom line is, no, we shouldn't encourage them to get off their least expensive, most reliable source of electricity.

00:09:54.160 I mean, that doesn't make any sense.

00:09:56.900 But, yeah.

00:09:57.860 So, in the case of they didn't say they're going to phase out fossil fuels, but what they did say is they're going to transition.

00:10:06.220 OK, so it's such a vague statement.

00:10:08.720 I'll just read the rest of the statement here, too, because it's kind of interesting.

00:10:11.700 Yeah, we're going to be tripling renewable energy capacity around the globe.

00:10:18.120 Oh, bully for them, eh?

00:10:20.260 I mean, that has caused a massive increase in electricity prices.

00:10:24.360 And it's interesting, Sheila, because one of the things that is a result of this massive influx of renewable energy,

00:10:30.660 and it's not really renewable, as you know, because they mine it, mine the cobalt with those children in the Congo and the UGRs doing processing in China.

00:10:38.600 But regardless, one of the impacts of that is that people are less confident about the reliability of their electricity grid.

00:10:47.540 And so, you know, it's interesting because various companies that make home generators, you know, gas powered or propane or whatever, kerosene powered generators,

00:10:57.520 those companies, their stocks are going through the roof because people are losing confidence in the grid.

00:11:03.860 And if you actually look at the grid across the United States, you find that there have been a lot of breakdowns.

00:11:08.620 And the biggest one, and we've spoken about this before, but the biggest one was the Texas blackout in February 2021.

00:11:16.540 And, you know, eight, let's see, eight million Texans lost power and heat for many days when they had one of the coldest periods in decades, actually, about 30 years.

00:11:27.140 Now, the interesting thing is that just before the cold hit, and this is really relevant for Canada, especially, imagine this is what happened in Texas,

00:11:35.840 which doesn't get anywhere near as cold as Canada.

00:11:38.280 What happened was up to 700 people died of hypothermia, carbon monoxide poisoning and all sorts of things,

00:11:45.480 because just before the storm hit, they were getting about half of their electricity from mostly from wind and a little bit from solar.

00:11:52.480 And the wind died, okay?

00:11:54.740 And, of course, being a storm, it covered the sun.

00:11:57.520 So they suddenly lost, I think it was 13,000 megawatts in one step, you know, just over a few hours.

00:12:04.660 And they quadrupled their natural gas output, but they couldn't keep up.

00:12:08.820 And, of course, then you started to have these breakdowns all through the system.

00:12:12.400 And, you know, the thing that's really scary about Texas is they came within a few minutes of a total grid failure

00:12:18.300 that could have lasted weeks and killed tens of thousands of people, okay?

00:12:23.220 Now, that's Texas.

00:12:24.540 And Texas did have natural gas.

00:12:26.660 It couldn't keep up, but they did have it.

00:12:28.580 Texas is nowhere near as cold as Canada.

00:12:30.800 So think about what's going to happen when, let's say, Ottawa turns off its natural gas

00:12:35.880 and tries to run the city on wind and solar power.

00:12:39.220 I mean, it's completely insane.

00:12:40.760 It's much colder, of course, as usual.

00:12:42.980 But, yeah, this is a real disaster.

00:12:45.660 So, you know, when people say to me, oh, are you concerned about climate change?

00:12:49.520 I say, you bet I am.

00:12:51.060 I'm really concerned about climate affecting us when we've gotten rid of our least expensive

00:12:57.280 and most reliable energy source.

00:12:59.660 And, you know, this constant move over to electricity instead of natural gas, people don't seem to realize,

00:13:06.440 but when was the last time your natural gas pipeline into your house broke down?

00:13:11.080 I mean, they never break down, okay?

00:13:12.900 Natural gas is a very solid, reliable fuel.

00:13:15.880 But electricity systems break down all the time.

00:13:19.040 I mean, here in Ottawa, we probably have about eight or nine, maybe ten blackouts in the course of a year.

00:13:26.160 We get a lot of blackouts here, you know, and it's because our system is so unreliable.

00:13:31.920 You know, they didn't bury very many cables underground.

00:13:34.720 But here we are, the capital city of Canada, and we're having, you know, regular blackouts even now

00:13:39.480 in contrast to, I don't know, do you have those kinds of blackouts?

00:13:43.860 Never.

00:13:45.400 Absolutely never.

00:13:46.640 I'm shocked to hear that you have that many blackouts.

00:13:50.720 Now, I know that our premier is very concerned with the potential for this sort of thing hitting Alberta

00:13:58.340 if we are to adopt Justin Trudeau's climate change targets.

00:14:03.100 That Ottawa's style of reliability with electricity might come home to Fort Saskatchewan,

00:14:09.540 and she's vehement about fighting the feds in court over those issues. 0.93

00:14:13.800 And, well, because we don't want to end up like Ottawa for a thousand different reasons.

00:14:18.240 Oh, yeah.

00:14:18.780 Well, you know, Ottawa will get minus 30.

00:14:21.680 You're praying that you don't get a power failure.

00:14:24.380 I mean, you know, typically our power failures are pretty short.

00:14:27.740 They might only last half an hour.

00:14:29.340 But we have had them just in the last year last for, geez, a day, you know.

00:14:34.320 And happily, it's happened at times when the weather wasn't bad.

00:14:38.120 But I can't remember the last time we had a blackout at minus 30.

00:14:41.920 But it's a scary thing.

00:14:43.800 You know, we have a propane, sorry, a kerosene heater.

00:14:46.840 My daughter bought a big 102-pound lithium battery.

00:14:52.880 And I had solar panels so we can charge it.

00:14:55.600 So, I mean, I'm not against solar and wind and those sorts of things as backups when all

00:15:01.040 the rest of your systems fail.

00:15:03.000 I mean, they're fine as backups.

00:15:04.620 But to try and bring them in as baseload power is completely insane.

00:15:09.100 Imagine thinking about having to live off the grid in Canada's capital city.

00:15:15.220 And that's how you have to think about things.

00:15:17.420 Now, what does the conclusion of the UN Climate Change Conference mean for Canadians?

00:15:26.960 What could potentially be adopted by the feds and then just hammered onto Canadian households?

00:15:32.680 Yeah, I think what's going to happen is less and less government investment in fossil fuels.

00:15:38.660 I think that will be the major thing.

00:15:40.380 They're talking about peaking fossil fuel use.

00:15:42.980 This is the UN by 2025.

00:15:45.000 And, of course, this ties in perfectly to Chideau.

00:15:48.160 And we can't get rid of him soon enough.

00:15:50.320 But it looks like he's going to stay in as long as Singh lets him stay in.

00:15:54.120 But, yeah, so, yeah, the impact is that less and less financial institutions will want to lend money for fossil fuel developments because they're seeing a shaky future.

00:16:05.700 But, of course, China will keep developing as much as they want.

00:16:09.120 And so will India. 0.99

00:16:10.220 And they'll say, oh, yeah, we'll eventually bring in carbon capture and sequestration.

00:16:15.280 Ha ha.

00:16:15.980 But I don't think they will.

00:16:17.580 And, you know, most people have to realize China and India as developing countries don't have to reduce emissions ever because there is that out clause in the Framework Convention on Climate Change that underlies the Paris Agreement.

00:16:30.160 It says their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation and development in Article 4.

00:16:35.540 And so they're going to say, well, we can't develop and pull our people out of poverty if we can't use our least expensive energy.

00:16:42.740 So I imagine that a lot of these agreements are being made with lip service, knowing that they can get out of it later, quite frankly.

00:16:50.540 But I think that in Canada's case, it's going to become more and more difficult to get the funding to have these fossil fuel plants and get the pipelines built, et cetera.

00:16:59.480 So I think as long as Trudeau's in, he's going to use this as a hammer to even more thoroughly destroy our energy network.

00:17:07.960 And, of course, that's the reason that we wrote our report.

00:17:10.740 I got to tell you about.

00:17:11.600 Yes, please.

00:17:12.560 I was just about to ask you about that.

00:17:14.820 But, yeah, if Justin Trudeau isn't creating financial insecurity so that the banks don't lend to oil and gas companies, then Mark Carney and his rack at a GFANS is going to do it, where they basically apply carbon social credit scores to oil and gas projects.

00:17:32.960 And if they don't qualify, then they just don't get funding.

00:17:35.780 It's a bureaucratic prohibition.

00:17:39.260 Oh, yeah.

00:17:39.600 It's a sneaky thing that he does there.

00:17:42.240 Yeah.

00:17:42.460 What we concluded, partly because I live in Ottawa, so it's easy for me to go to council meetings and things like that.

00:17:47.700 And the Action for Canada group here in Ottawa is very active and very effective, you know.

00:17:52.900 And I occasionally go to their meetings.

00:17:54.920 I'm not a member of them, but regardless, I really appreciate them, to say the least.

00:17:59.800 But, yeah, what we decided was that if we can kill this insane climate plan in Ottawa, which talks about putting up 702 industrial wind turbines, 36 square kilometers of solar panels, you know, 122 large containers of lithium batteries, all this kind of thing.

00:18:16.740 If we can kill it here.

00:18:17.540 Where are you going to put that? 0.99

00:18:18.780 Where are you going to put that, by the way?

00:18:20.920 Yeah, not in my house.

00:18:22.460 Not in my backyard.

00:18:22.960 Yeah, sorry about your luck, suburbs.

00:18:25.520 Yeah.

00:18:25.920 You get to be a tank farm for all of Ottawa. 0.75

00:18:28.860 Yeah, and you better hope that you don't have a fire, because I don't know if you've seen what happens when lithium batteries catch on fire.

00:18:35.080 But the bottom line is we thought that if we could kill the climate and ridiculous energy plan in Ottawa, then we could do it anywhere.

00:18:43.240 Because Ottawa is so woke, you know, with so many civil servants who don't dare speak out of turn.

00:18:50.280 And so what we did is we had a two-step approach.

00:18:53.320 I mean, at first we wrote one really big report that talked about all the negative impacts of the climate scare in Ottawa and what would happen if we actually tried to do it.

00:19:02.320 It would cost us a fortune, leave us bankrupt, hungry and freezing in the dark, quite frankly.

00:19:07.360 And then we would talk about the science.

00:19:09.780 But we realized if we released those two parts of the report together, they would say, oh, just a bunch of climate change deniers.

00:19:17.120 And they wouldn't even pay attention to the detrimental effects part and the costs.

00:19:21.820 So back in January 2022, and it's on our homepage at icsc-canada.com in the lower right-hand corner, is the report that we released, as I say, January 2022.

00:19:32.800 And in that report, we detail the negative consequences of the climate scare on Ottawa and Ottawa's plans and how it will actually, as I say, just wreck the city.

00:19:43.480 I mean, it really will wreck the city and kill lots of people if they ever tried to do it.

00:19:47.840 We also talked about the cost and the impracticality from a policy point of view, because, of course, Ottawa puts out something like one one hundredth of one percent of world emissions.

00:19:57.500 I mean, it have no impact at all.

00:19:59.200 And so we let that sit for almost two years because we wanted people to start to feel the pain that was coming.

00:20:07.220 We really did.

00:20:08.200 And the idea is that if people feel that this is a disaster in the making, they're going to look for some excuse, any excuse to not do it.

00:20:17.020 And so now we give them the excuse.

00:20:19.220 And the excuse is that there is no climate crisis.

00:20:22.120 It doesn't exist.

00:20:23.440 OK, and so that's what the new report is.

00:20:26.040 We've had two years of letting it simmer, letting people get concerned.

00:20:29.600 And it was quite nice because I would go to public meetings and I would see people occasionally stand up and they would obviously they read our report because they're using the same words.

00:20:38.680 And they would tell counselors and they would tell, you know, city staff, hey, you know, what's going to happen when the power goes out and I can't charge my EV?

00:20:46.980 You know, and we had one lady get to the microphone and she said, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.

00:20:52.900 I don't want to see our city electrified on the backs of African children, you know. 1.00

00:20:58.340 And I mean, it was very good.

00:21:00.020 And they were able to use a lot of the information that we portrayed these various individuals and groups.

00:21:05.980 And then we thought, OK, now's the time during during the COP conference, the U.N. conference to say the whole thing's bunk.

00:21:12.680 And we explain going through every single possible issue, you know, exactly why there is no climate crisis.

00:21:21.360 You know, it's interesting.

00:21:22.320 Will Happer from Princeton University, I work with him occasionally.

00:21:25.240 He's a really great guy, professor emeritus of physics.

00:21:28.120 He's actually very well known.

00:21:30.120 He was an advisor to Donald Trump in the White House for a whole year.

00:21:33.660 And his goal was to get Trump to get out of the climate scare.

00:21:38.020 But he, you know, they withdrew from the Paris Agreement, at least.

00:21:41.160 But he found that, generally speaking, the deep state were so strong that he couldn't really accomplish what he wanted to accomplish.

00:21:48.940 And so after a year, he left.

00:21:50.580 I mean, he had only agreed to go on for a year anyway.

00:21:53.100 But regardless, he decided his time had come.

00:21:56.240 And, you know, it really points out an important problem for conservatives.

00:21:59.620 And I was hoping we could talk about this.

00:22:02.020 You get into power with all these great ideas as to what you're going to do.

00:22:06.140 And then you're facing a very left-wing bureaucracy.

00:22:10.540 You know, the deep state, as Trump would call it.

00:22:13.360 People who are entrenched, people who are going to be there for like 20, 30, 40 years.

00:22:18.240 And they're very left-wing.

00:22:20.480 And trying to drain the swamp, as Trump tried, is very tough.

00:22:25.700 It's very difficult.

00:22:26.720 I mean, especially in Canada, they have so much protection.

00:22:29.140 So you get somebody like Stephen Harper.

00:22:31.940 Before he became leader of the Conservative Party, he actually wrote a letter to fundraisers.

00:22:37.200 I believe it was for the National Citizens Coalition.

00:22:39.940 And you remember his term.

00:22:40.980 He said, the Kyoto Protocol is a money-sucking socialist scheme.

00:22:47.380 I mean, you couldn't be more direct than that.

00:22:49.320 And so we thought we were, you know, in some of the meetings, like in Barrie and other places around Ontario, we got the impression from what he was saying that he was going to come into power and kill the climate scare.

00:23:00.020 But I'm sure what must have happened is he got in power and the deep state, the bureaucracy was so progressive, so to speak, in quotes, very regressive, really.

00:23:11.260 They were so left-wing.

00:23:12.340 It was very, very hard for him to actually carry out some of the things that he wanted to do.

00:23:17.300 And so in the final analysis, Harper changed sides after becoming prime minister.

00:23:23.600 You know, I like Stephen Harper, but at the same time, he did change sides.

00:23:27.120 And it was under his watch with John Baird as our local MP here in Ottawa, who was actually promoting and finally signing the Paris Agreement.

00:23:37.460 OK, that was in 2015, I guess, towards the end of the Harper regime because Trudeau came in in November.

00:23:43.220 And so you have to say, why is it that so many conservatives make these promises?

00:23:50.220 Kenny, for example, Doug Ford, you know, Doug Ford just announced he's going to start the wind and solar projects again, even though five years ago to get rid of that.

00:23:59.700 Yeah, I know.

00:24:00.260 He canceled all the contracts just five years ago.

00:24:02.400 And now he's going to be restarting all of these things again.

00:24:06.480 So you say, well, what's going on?

00:24:08.080 You know, Preston Manning, for example, gave the best speech probably in the House of Commons back in 1997 about the Kyoto Protocol.

00:24:15.420 He was and he was right on.

00:24:16.920 I mean, his speech was solid.

00:24:18.560 It talked about science.

00:24:19.740 It talked about policy.

00:24:20.820 It talked about economics.

00:24:22.220 I mean, it was a wonderful speech, probably the best ever on this topic in the House of Commons.

00:24:26.440 And yet he changed sides, you know, to some extent afterwards as well.

00:24:31.140 Bob Mills, who I worked for, I saw it in real time.

00:24:34.540 You know, Bob changed sides.

00:24:37.160 He was, you know, the opposition environment critic with the Canadian Alliance.

00:24:40.880 So you say, well, why do all these conservatives keep changing sides after they get elected?

00:24:45.940 And it's because they don't have a plan.

00:24:48.340 OK, this is the conclusion I come to in talking to various insiders.

00:24:52.040 They don't have a plan as to how they're going to overcome the deep state left wing bias and actually bring about their plans.

00:25:00.920 And, you know, this is something that at least in private conversations, I think it's good to ask politicians, you know, whether you want to publicize is another thing, because they might say, well, we're going to have to get rid of all these deputy ministers, you know.

00:25:14.960 And of course, then they'd have even more opposition to getting elected.

00:25:19.020 So maybe they don't want to tell us.

00:25:20.520 But it seems as if, based on my discussions with insiders, that they don't really have a plan as to how they're going to rule from the right when the bureaucracy is so heavily left.

00:25:34.080 They don't have a plan.

00:25:35.120 And I think that's one of the most important things they have to develop, not just to have all these pie in the sky ideas.

00:25:40.500 They have to know how they're going to do it.

00:25:43.120 And even Trump couldn't do it.

00:25:45.040 OK, Trump couldn't drain the swamp.

00:25:47.160 So it's a tough thing to do.

00:25:48.800 It really is tough.

00:25:49.740 And, you know, we have to remember that, you know, some people say, hey, you're criticizing Pierre Paulieff.

00:25:55.460 He's our guy, you know.

00:25:57.080 Well, actually, no, he's not our guy.

00:25:59.940 We want him to be our guy and he could be our guy.

00:26:02.620 But we have to criticize him.

00:26:04.880 And, you know, it's interesting because Elizabeth May was giving a presentation when she was, I think, is with the Sierra Club.

00:26:10.360 And somebody put up their hand and said, why are you criticizing Paul Martin?

00:26:15.040 Because Paul Martin was prime minister then.

00:26:17.220 You know, he got you an order of Canada.

00:26:19.540 I'm pretty sure that that's when when Elizabeth got her order of Canada.

00:26:22.660 And she said effectively this.

00:26:25.380 Look, if we don't criticize him, he won't do what we want.

00:26:28.020 And once, you know, one of the former advisors in Stephen Harper's office, I spoke to him confidentially, you know, years ago.

00:26:36.460 And I don't know if he was actually at the time working in the office.

00:26:40.820 But regardless, I asked him, I said, what do you think about us criticizing you for not being right enough, conservative enough on climate policy?

00:26:50.680 And I thought he was going to say, oh, yeah, we're really angry with you.

00:26:53.200 He didn't say that.

00:26:54.160 He said, no, we like it when you criticize us from the right because it makes us seem more moderate.

00:27:01.160 So I think.

00:27:02.200 Exactly.

00:27:03.160 Exactly.

00:27:03.720 I've had this discussion at work before this exact discussion.

00:27:09.200 And, you know, they also cannot write off our criticism as, oh, that's the state funded media.

00:27:16.840 They just want to get Trudeau elected.

00:27:18.820 They can't write off my criticism of them as insincere.

00:27:22.580 They know it is coming from a place where I want, I think, the arc of moral, social justice and fiscal accountability bends to the right.

00:27:35.980 I believe that.

00:27:37.700 And so when I'm criticizing a conservative from the right, it is sincere.

00:27:43.800 Houston, we have a problem.

00:27:45.120 It is not, you know, some Globe and Mail, CBC, state funded, Trudeau colonized media just trying to hang on to their job.

00:27:53.000 I'm sincere in my criticism.

00:27:54.600 And I think they take it to heart.

00:27:56.600 Well, that's right.

00:27:57.520 And I think also they recognize that you want them to win if they're going to do the right things.

00:28:03.000 Exactly.

00:28:03.240 And some people have said to me, they say, you're criticizing the conservatives.

00:28:08.200 Do you want to see Trudeau stay in power?

00:28:10.640 And I say to them, well, look, if I have a choice between a principled conservative opposition who will bring up good conservative points and push them in the House of Commons, or I or I could have a woke, fake liberal conservative government.

00:28:26.800 What's the difference?

00:28:27.680 I would rather, yeah, I'd rather they stay in opposition and do the right thing, because at least then somebody is bringing up in the House of Commons proper and sensible conservative ideas, you know.

00:28:38.540 So I think that's really important.

00:28:40.020 I think also the very young people and most of the people who are legislative assistants in the House of Commons are very young.

00:28:46.740 I mean, there's some exceptions.

00:28:48.060 But one of the reasons is because they pay so poorly.

00:28:51.980 You know, I was a legislative assistant for Bob Mills.

00:28:54.580 And, you know, after seven months when he started changing sides and various things happened, I realized that's not my place to be.

00:29:03.160 But regardless, the salary is very, very low.

00:29:06.220 You know, so you get only mostly only young people in these jobs.

00:29:10.740 And, you know, I don't think they appreciate the findings of recent research that shows that they actually lead public opinion by making statements that are sensible in a conservative ideal.

00:29:22.760 In other words, you know, this Overton window they talk about.

00:29:26.240 OK, this is the acceptable window that a politician can stay in.

00:29:29.740 They can pull that window right.

00:29:32.400 OK, I should go that way, not that way.

00:29:34.080 They can pull that window right by what they say.

00:29:37.520 And, you know, in a study that was done by researchers at McGill University, Drexel University and Ohio State, they tried to determine what was the major factor influencing public opinion on climate change.

00:29:50.480 OK, because, of course, they wanted to support the climate scare.

00:29:53.440 And what they found is it wasn't the science.

00:29:55.800 It wasn't the media.

00:29:56.720 It wasn't the special interest groups.

00:29:58.740 It was the statements from the leaders, the politicians.

00:30:02.840 They found that when the Republicans and Democrats, because they were looking at the U.S., when the Republicans and Democrats agreed that there was a climate crisis, the public was much more supportive of it.

00:30:14.920 You know, even expensive things to do to supposedly stop it.

00:30:18.800 They were much more supportive of it than when the Republicans were speaking out against it.

00:30:24.240 OK, then public support dropped.

00:30:25.820 So they've got now two years probably until the next election.

00:30:29.340 And if I were inside the conservative offices, what I would say, if I was working in strategy, I'd say, look, we've got two years.

00:30:36.720 We don't want to have this climate scare continue.

00:30:39.380 And I think they honestly don't want it to continue.

00:30:42.560 So what are we going to do?

00:30:44.040 OK, what are we going to do?

00:30:45.280 Well, here's my recommendation.

00:30:46.960 Can I go through a step by step recommendation?

00:30:49.600 Yep.

00:30:50.160 OK, well, the first thing they should do is read our report.

00:30:53.140 OK, go to ICSC dash Canada dot com.

00:30:56.520 OK, read the report, because although it talks about Ottawa, it applies to Canada in general.

00:31:01.600 It applies to any jurisdiction that's thinking of doing these crazy things.

00:31:05.860 And read, first of all, the negative impact, the cost, you know, the infeasibility, all that sort of stuff.

00:31:12.300 By the time you're finished that, you know, it's about 80 pages, something like that.

00:31:15.560 You can read it.

00:31:16.320 It's lots of images and pictures.

00:31:18.320 You can read it probably in an hour and a bit.

00:31:20.800 Then go to the science and you'll see the science doesn't back the climate scare at all.

00:31:25.100 So that's the first thing.

00:31:26.400 They should read the report and really get up to date on the topic.

00:31:30.420 And the second thing that is, you know, what I would love them to do is to lead public opinion, to start to say the things that we're saying.

00:31:38.040 But I recognize that they're afraid of that.

00:31:41.280 So here's what I would recommend instead.

00:31:43.960 I would recommend they do what Nancy Green Rain did. 0.99

00:31:47.560 Remember Senator Rain?

00:31:48.800 She was in for about nine years as a senator. 1.00

00:31:52.360 Wonderful person.

00:31:53.360 I met with her a few times.

00:31:55.320 And Nancy actually brought in scientists on the other side of the climate debate in 2011. 1.00

00:32:02.600 OK, and the sky didn't come down.

00:32:04.940 You know, she wasn't, you know, assassinated or attacked.

00:32:09.420 And people came in.

00:32:10.440 Ian Clark came in.

00:32:11.480 Jan Weiser came in.

00:32:12.480 Ross McKittrick came in.

00:32:13.660 Tim Patterson came in.

00:32:14.660 They all came in.

00:32:15.420 And they gave really nice presentations.

00:32:17.260 And they're actually on my YouTube channel.

00:32:19.600 And I think we've got probably about 40 or 50,000 views so far.

00:32:23.640 So what they should do then is to say, look, we're not climate experts.

00:32:28.580 We don't know who's right.

00:32:29.720 But this is an incredibly important topic.

00:32:31.920 And there's been so much censorship.

00:32:34.000 We're going to have open public hearings so the public can see what various points of view are.

00:32:39.800 And then they can make up their own minds.

00:32:41.660 And, of course, what will happen is you'll bring in people like Ian Clark, who's an extremely good speaker.

00:32:46.640 He's bilingual.

00:32:47.720 He's just retired from Ottawa U.

00:32:49.860 And he was actually a Friends of Science speaker.

00:32:52.040 And, by the way, I love Friends of Science.

00:32:54.000 Friendsofscience.org.

00:32:57.020 They're a wonderful group.

00:32:58.460 And he was one of their speakers.

00:33:00.060 So you bring in people like Ian Clark and you give them an open public platform.

00:33:04.700 OK, and you publicize it and you tell the public, look, tune into this web-based station, whatever it is,

00:33:10.260 and listen to this scientist talk about climate change.

00:33:13.960 You may hear something a bit different.

00:33:15.400 It might change your point of view.

00:33:17.300 And what would happen then is you'd also have to bring in people on the other side of the debate, too,

00:33:21.620 people who support the climate scare because you want to be unbiased.

00:33:25.240 You want to be fair.

00:33:26.680 And what would happen then is the average public would be so confused.

00:33:31.180 They would say, my God, you got experts on one side saying one thing,

00:33:34.920 experts on the other side saying the opposite.

00:33:37.220 I don't know what to believe.

00:33:38.840 That's fine.

00:33:40.260 It's totally appropriate for a person who's not an expert in climate change to not know what to believe

00:33:46.260 because this is one of the most complex sciences ever tackled.

00:33:50.440 And so the natural reaction from the public will be, well, since we really don't know who's right or wrong,

00:33:57.160 maybe we should hang off a bit, you know, just delay these carbon reductions and carbon sequestration,

00:34:03.940 moving to EVs, you know, getting rid of coal.

00:34:06.060 I think we should just delay all that until the science is a bit more settled because, of course, the science is totally unsettled.

00:34:12.660 OK, the bottom. Yeah.

00:34:14.340 And I mean, it's nonsense to say it's settled when you have like literally thousands of references in books like this one,

00:34:20.940 which show that, you know, it's all kinds of points of view.

00:34:24.740 So nobody in their right mind would invest all their money in a stock that's highly uncertain.

00:34:31.180 And similarly with this, people would then say, whoa, I don't think we want this.

00:34:35.380 So the bottom line is without committing themselves to a point of view, they would inject into the public a lot of uncertainty,

00:34:42.640 which is completely appropriate. I mean, that is the right position to take.

00:34:47.000 We don't know what's going to happen. It doesn't appear likely, in my opinion.

00:34:51.400 But nobody has a crystal ball to the future. So, you know, that's the way they should go.

00:34:56.060 And then they can start to see public opinion gradually shifting.

00:34:59.580 And then they can gradually start saying things that are within the Overton window now because we've we've moved the right side of the Overton window,

00:35:07.840 start to include climate skepticism, which is a legitimate point of view.

00:35:12.180 And then they can actually say what they really want to say.

00:35:16.000 But as long as they keep using terms like, you know, carbon pollution and, you know, green energy is ludicrous.

00:35:22.800 I mean, coal is the greenest of the energies, if you think about it, because green is carbon dioxide.

00:35:29.640 It's plant food. Right. So so they should should.

00:35:33.240 So that's what I think they should do. And I think they can do that, you know, gradually over time.

00:35:37.860 They don't have to have a big push. They got two years till the next election.

00:35:41.080 And by then they'll have moved the Overton window and then they can do what's right.

00:35:46.560 You know, I think most people actually don't care about climate change.

00:35:50.280 They know the TV is telling them they should care about climate change.

00:35:53.860 And all the politicians seem to simultaneously care about the climate change.

00:35:57.420 But I think normal people just realize that it is exactly what we all know it to be.

00:36:04.000 It's a big wealth transfer scheme that is eating up the middle class.

00:36:08.760 Like, yeah, I think any politician that points out the absurdity of it all is going to go a long way with normal people.

00:36:17.280 And Trump did this really well.

00:36:18.560 Oh, yeah. Let's let's talk about their their ideas that if I eat fewer steaks, which is not going to happen, that the weather will get colder.

00:36:30.860 So that's a lose lose for me is what you're saying.

00:36:33.960 And you want me to do that?

00:36:35.640 There's a funny cartoon on the Internet and these two extraterrestrials are in orbit.

00:36:40.040 And one of them says to them, to the other, he says, is it time for us to reveal ourselves to the humans?

00:36:46.220 And the other says, no, no, they're still eating bugs to stop climate change.

00:36:50.780 Yeah.

00:36:52.040 Yeah.

00:36:52.520 I have to stop eating the steak thrown in my backyard and eat some crickets to combat greenhouse gas emissions.

00:37:02.460 Yeah, that's right.

00:37:03.280 So so so, I mean, I think the average person is just so involved in their own lives and they care about the well, actually, what they care about is the impact of the carbon tax.

00:37:13.720 They care about the impact of, you know, stopping the production of oil and gas and therefore prices go through the roof.

00:37:20.380 You know, so they care about those things.

00:37:23.000 And that's why we released our first report talking about those things.

00:37:26.240 Bob Lyman was a big help.

00:37:27.520 You know, I saw your interview with him.

00:37:29.340 It was great because he talks about the real impact of these insane plans.

00:37:34.300 I tend to focus more on, hey, there's no climate crisis anyway.

00:37:38.260 So what the heck?

00:37:39.400 And Michelle Sterling is just like the trifecta there where she's like, everybody calm down. 0.97

00:37:44.700 Yeah.

00:37:45.220 The world's not going to end.

00:37:46.280 Chill out.

00:37:47.320 That's right.

00:37:48.020 So so if people go to our homepage, ICSC-Canada.com, what they'll see in the upper right hand corner is the new report that just came out on Friday.

00:37:56.360 And it was related.

00:37:58.180 It was referred to in my National Post article, which was fun to see that they let me do that and push people over.

00:38:05.420 And so that'll give them lots of ammunition.

00:38:07.620 And then they have to develop a sensible strategy, because I think that most people in the Conservative Party, certainly when I was with the Canadian Alliance, this was the case.

00:38:15.560 They know it's a hoax. 0.91

00:38:16.900 They know it's ridiculous. 1.00

00:38:18.540 So they have to develop strategies to kill it, because otherwise it will kill Canada. 1.00

00:38:24.180 Yeah.

00:38:24.280 Now, quickly, before I let you go, and I know we're going a little bit long, but I wanted to talk to you about the censorship that climate skeptics face.

00:38:33.540 For example, if you are a climate skeptic on YouTube, you're demonetized.

00:38:37.680 You cannot make money on YouTube.

00:38:39.600 And, you know, I know for you and I know for Michelle, it's a labor of love anyway, but that is passive censorship from big tech.

00:38:50.140 And, you know, the government is the same way.

00:38:53.100 I know the CBC ombudsman, they don't use ombudsman anymore.

00:38:56.500 It's part of their GBA plus, their gender-based analysis plus.

00:38:59.420 But they won't allow a climate skeptic on air, like on one of their panels.

00:39:05.380 They just don't have it.

00:39:06.680 And they've said that when people have filed complaints saying, you have published absolute nonsense attributing, you know, the islands shrinking due to tides to climate change.

00:39:20.120 And you didn't allow an actual scientist to come on and rebutt.

00:39:23.760 You just had an activist.

00:39:24.660 And they've said, well, we don't do that here because the science is settled.

00:39:28.220 Well, you know, CBC are a case in point because they have a policy book that says point blank that they're supposed to leave their biases at the door.

00:39:37.260 OK, so in the year 2000, I wrote to the CBC and I said, OK, you keep saying that there is a consensus of world scientists that there's a climate crisis.

00:39:45.680 Show me the consensus.

00:39:46.840 And they finally got the ombudsman to give me a 10-page letter in response.

00:39:53.280 OK, so they did a lot of work.

00:39:54.540 And when I opened the envelope, I thought, wow, they're taking this seriously.

00:39:57.320 The trouble was they proved there was a consensus in the science by quoting other media.

00:40:04.300 Right.

00:40:04.780 They quoted the New York Times and other media saying that there was a consensus in the science.

00:40:09.840 So I wrote back to the president of the CBC.

00:40:11.640 I said, well, this is very nice.

00:40:13.140 He's done a lot of work, but he hasn't interviewed a single scientist or a single scientific organization.

00:40:19.200 He's simply looking at what other media say.

00:40:21.600 So it doesn't really prove anything.

00:40:23.000 And but I had to drop the case because I then got hired by Bob Mills as the legislative assistant for him and opposition environment critic.

00:40:30.700 And he didn't want me going after the CBC because, of course, he's dependent on good coverage that he hopes to get.

00:40:37.500 So I had to drop the case.

00:40:39.060 But the CBC president did answer me.

00:40:40.900 He said, Mr. Bazet, who was the ombudsman at the time, has answered your question.

00:40:46.520 The case is closed.

00:40:47.380 So the CBC are completely biased.

00:40:49.380 They don't have any supporting evidence to support what they're saying.

00:40:52.380 One other thing I wanted to tell you about, and this goes back a few years, and that is this.

00:40:57.900 OK, it's the Competition Bureau letter to me.

00:41:02.820 We'll blur your address.

00:41:04.600 Yeah, that's right.

00:41:05.860 Specifically told me.

00:41:07.320 I guess that's true.

00:41:08.920 But specifically told me that the Competition Bureau, as a result of a complaint that was registered less than one month after Trudeau took office.

00:41:18.380 OK, Ecojustice put in a complaint and said that we, Friends of Science and the Heartland Institute, essentially what they said, paraphrasing, is that we were lying about climate change to please our donors.

00:41:30.580 I mean, that's at least with regards to me.

00:41:32.320 That's what they said.

00:41:33.320 Now, of course, that's ridiculous because we're not lying.

00:41:35.780 The marketplace of ideas shouldn't be regulated by the Competition Bureau.

00:41:40.220 For sure.

00:41:40.940 And they had no idea who our funders were anyway.

00:41:43.360 So because we always keep it confidential because, you know, I'm attacked, you know, after that National Post article, I got I got an email from Northern Alberta.

00:41:52.060 Yeah.

00:41:52.300 Some guy swearing like crazy at me, calling me a racist.

00:41:55.460 I don't know what that has to do with my article.

00:41:58.360 But yeah.

00:41:58.740 So, I mean, poor Tim Ball, he had death threats.

00:42:01.080 So the last thing we're going to do is reveal who our donors are because we don't want them to have trouble.

00:42:06.840 So, you know, at first people advised me, well, just sit on this.

00:42:10.800 Don't do anything.

00:42:11.480 It's so nutty.

00:42:12.560 I mean, the fact that the Competition Bureau has received a complaint doesn't mean they're going to do anything.

00:42:18.220 OK, because the Competition Bureau exists to stop companies from doing things like saying that their toothpaste solves cancer or saying that their their opponent's toothpaste causes cancer.

00:42:30.180 Or that COVID vaccines work.

00:42:32.380 Yeah.

00:42:32.820 So there are very valid reasons for the Competition Bureau.

00:42:36.340 But, you know, one of our scientists said, but the Bureau doesn't exist to to regulate the marketplace of ideas.

00:42:43.320 You know, so nothing's going to happen.

00:42:44.900 Don't worry about it, Tom.

00:42:45.700 Five months later, the Competition Bureau sent me that letter, which I showed you.

00:42:51.480 And they said that they'd launched an investigation into our actions.

00:42:56.220 And this is what they said.

00:42:57.260 Here's a direct quote.

00:42:58.320 If the results of an investigation disclose evidence that in the opinion of the commissioner provides the basis for criminal prosecution, the matter may be referred to Attorney General of Canada who determines whether a prosecution should be undertaken.

00:43:12.960 We were told to keep all your records, tell everybody who works with you to keep your records.

00:43:17.780 And for about 15 months, they kept us in the hot seat, you know, sending us occasional updates saying the investigation is still underway, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:43:26.840 And so, I mean, it was kind of stressful.

00:43:28.740 But at the same time, it didn't make any sense.

00:43:31.300 And after about 15 months, they dropped it.

00:43:33.600 And so that's when I hit back with my article in the Toronto Sun called Big Brother Watched Me.

00:43:38.940 And I was making the analogy with 2000 or 1984.

00:43:44.180 But, yeah, so, I mean, there are all kinds of sources that are trying to censor us.

00:43:48.880 The government through that particular avenue.

00:43:51.060 It didn't work, fortunately.

00:43:53.260 Big tech.

00:43:54.360 Oh, wow.

00:43:54.980 You know, I'm what do they call it?

00:43:56.760 Shadow banning on my YouTube channel.

00:43:59.240 Suddenly, people don't get any announcements.

00:44:01.600 Back around 2004, 2005, we got published from coast to coast.

00:44:06.040 Every newspaper, even the Globe and Mail.

00:44:07.840 OK, sometimes it wasn't positive, but at least we got covered.

00:44:11.980 And as a politician would say, at least they spelled your name right.

00:44:15.040 So but we all got covered.

00:44:16.780 We got Halifax, Chronicle, you know, Vancouver Sun, Calgary Herald.

00:44:20.580 All these newspapers published me and I wrote with several other scientists giving an alternative point of view on climate.

00:44:27.320 But around, oh, just before 2010, I guess, the door closed.

00:44:31.280 And suddenly they stopped publishing us completely.

00:44:34.680 OK, the National Post has started to do it again, which I'm grateful for.

00:44:38.800 But I asked one of the leading editors, why won't you allow both points of view?

00:44:44.540 And he said, oh, well, we agree with David Suzuki.

00:44:48.540 I said, yeah, but do you have anybody on staff who's even got a Bachelor of Science so they can judge between the points of view?

00:44:55.000 He said, no.

00:44:56.380 So I said, well, why do you really do it?

00:44:58.920 And what he told me is this.

00:45:00.280 He said, we only show the alarmist point of view because if we showed your point of view, even if you had the top scientists in the world, our advertisers wouldn't like it.

00:45:10.380 And the reason, of course, is not only does catastrophe sell media and they want high circulation so everybody sees their ads.

00:45:16.660 But the last thing, somebody who's promoting their product using the climate scare, you know, our printers or our cars produce less greenhouse gases by our vehicle and save the climate.

00:45:29.560 The last thing they want is for the page opposite to be a professor, Clark or somebody else saying you can't control climate.

00:45:37.860 It's all a bunk, you know.

00:45:39.380 So that's the bottom line is the media do it largely, well, partly because they're ideologically shifted towards left and for some strange reason, the climate scare is left wing.

00:45:49.800 But the other reason is money.

00:45:51.380 They don't want to get rid of these ten thousand dollar ads for a full page ad and say the Ottawa Citizen because, yeah, it would make their advertisers angry to be told that one of their advertising methods is baloney.

00:46:05.000 Well, and then, you know, just throw the government on top of that, you know, like when you're reliant on the government for bailouts and then you are publishing things that go against the government narrative.

00:46:16.880 I mean, for journalists, this is their jobs are on the line.

00:46:20.220 Well, that's right.

00:46:21.280 I mean, Rebel News are doing media the way it's supposed to be done.

00:46:24.900 I mean, this, you know, all the other media networks that are taking all this money from Trudeau and giving him soft coverage.

00:46:30.860 I mean, they're not doing journalists jobs at all.

00:46:34.260 They're just being a PR function, you know.

00:46:37.100 So so Rebel News is is wonderful, you know, and I encourage people, you know, really check them out.

00:46:42.580 You know, if this is a free video, go to their website, rebelnews.com, because Rebel News is doing what journalists used to do.

00:46:50.140 OK, they used to do this across the board and they don't anymore.

00:46:54.000 So thank God for you guys.

00:46:56.440 Well, I appreciate that.

00:46:57.300 And then they wonder why nobody watches them.

00:46:59.020 It's like this vicious cycle.

00:47:01.280 It's nobody trusts the media.

00:47:03.880 And then Justin Trudeau gives them more money because nobody trusts the media.

00:47:07.960 And so nobody's watching them.

00:47:09.260 And then because they've been contaminated by government money, people continue to not trust them.

00:47:13.700 And like I said last week, it's like watching a toilet bowl flush and journalism just goes out the bottom.

00:47:19.160 Well, that's right.

00:47:19.920 I mean, if people don't watch the CBC and generally speaking, they don't when they don't.

00:47:24.240 Yeah, when it comes to news, especially they might watch the Olympics or something.

00:47:28.660 But the bottom line is, if media can't get enough viewers, then they're failing.

00:47:33.860 Their business model is not working.

00:47:35.900 And so they should go out of business.

00:47:37.840 You know, so that's just a natural way of things. 1.00

00:47:40.340 And I would say, yeah, let them die. 1.00

00:47:42.600 Let them die. 1.00

00:47:43.160 And then others will come up who give a proper product. 0.99

00:47:47.460 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 You know, Tom, I could talk to you all day.

00:47:49.800 We're 45 minutes into the show.

00:47:51.560 I'm already apologetic to my editor who has to make this look nice in a couple of short hours for publication.

00:47:58.400 But how do people find out about the very important work that you do at the International Climate Science Coalition Canada and the other places where they might find you?

00:48:10.240 Yeah, for sure.

00:48:10.820 Well, I'm also on America Out Loud.

00:48:13.560 OK, America Out Loud dot com.

00:48:15.440 If you click on our team, go down, choose my name.

00:48:18.660 You can see all the articles that I'm putting in and also interviews and all sorts of things.

00:48:22.740 We had an interview last week with Suzanne Albright, who's a bird expert about the killing of birds by wind turbines.

00:48:30.120 She's a wonderful person.

00:48:31.640 People can hear that interview right there.

00:48:33.640 It's in podcast right now.

00:48:35.500 And yeah, so that's where they can go.

00:48:37.320 America Out Loud.

00:48:37.880 They can see our articles.

00:48:38.860 We also have a podcast that you can see on ICSC-Canada.com, where I have an interview with you.

00:48:45.820 It's the other, sorry, Exploratory Journeys, which is our podcast.

00:48:50.920 And go to ICSC-Canada.com and you can see the two reports that we just did.

00:48:55.980 And also on the left, you can see where Ottowans are fighting back.

00:49:00.500 And it's a great illustration of how even in a woke left-wing city, the public can have an impact.

00:49:06.540 You know, how do people pitch in to help you guys?

00:49:09.320 Because you are up against not just the government, but the deep green tentacles of these foreign-funded charities that just dump money into Canada to make our jobs vaporize and our utility bills more expensive.

00:49:23.820 Well, right.

00:49:25.140 On our homepage in the upper right-hand corner is a big donate button.

00:49:28.680 We get no money from government, I can tell you that.

00:49:31.380 And every buck that we get is spent very effectively on doing all the things that we do, you know.

00:49:37.280 And it helps pay for, you know, having my meetings, for example, you know, when we have to travel.

00:49:42.760 I gave presentations out about an hour west of Ottawa just a couple of weeks ago.

00:49:48.400 And, you know, all that costs money.

00:49:50.120 So, to make us effective, we need some funding.

00:49:53.340 Then we can put out press releases, you know, write reports, go to conferences.

00:49:57.140 That's why I'm not at the COP conference this year.

00:49:59.920 It's because it's expensive and we don't have the funds.

00:50:02.320 So, anybody who donates, I'll answer and thank you very much.

00:50:06.840 Awesome.

00:50:07.120 Tom, thanks so much for taking the time today and thanks so much for the hard work that you do on behalf of science and reality and normal Canadians who are just struggling to pay their bills.

00:50:16.760 We'll have you back on again very soon.

00:50:19.280 Okay.

00:50:19.700 Thank you, Sheila.

00:50:20.280 We'll have you back on again very soon.

00:50:50.280 Let me know what you think about the show today.

00:50:53.700 Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I know why you're writing to me because I do get a lot of emails in a day and some of them are not always that nice depending on what I've said on the show or in a video or on the live stream on Fridays.

00:51:09.620 But don't hesitate to leave a comment or a story idea or viewer feedback wherever you're watching us.

00:51:17.540 For example, if you're watching the free version of the show on Rumble or YouTube sort of towards the weekend is usually when we publish that.

00:51:25.140 Leave a comment there.

00:51:26.020 Sometimes I go looking over there.

00:51:28.460 So, don't let a subscription be the bar for entry.

00:51:34.320 I want to hear from you however you watch us.

00:51:37.420 Now, today's viewer feedback comes from the email inbox and it comes to me on a show I did a couple of weeks ago.

00:51:48.120 And on the November 22nd gun show, I was talking about our environment minister, Stephen Gilboa.

00:51:53.320 So, Lord only knows what I was saying about him.

00:51:56.900 There's so much to be said.

00:51:59.760 But anyway, Peter writes me and says,

00:52:02.560 Hey, Sheila, loved your coverage of Stephen Gilboa on the November 22nd gun show.

00:52:06.560 But I think you're being far too kind to our environment minister, was I?

00:52:09.940 That doesn't sound like me.

00:52:12.680 I'll have to be a little bit more vitriolic about him.

00:52:16.320 I don't want to be kind to him.

00:52:18.060 Anyway, the well-documented fact about Gilboa is that he's a convicted criminal eco-terrorist. 1.00

00:52:24.360 As if the idiot stunt he pulled in Toronto wasn't bad enough, 1.00

00:52:27.720 him and his gang climbing on the roof of the Alberta Premier Ralph Klein's house, 1.00

00:52:32.620 terrifying his home-alone wife, really took the cake. 0.99

00:52:35.820 Very scary to me that he's now in government, especially the environment minister.

00:52:40.600 Every time anyone mentions Gilboa in my presence,

00:52:43.260 I point out his criminal record as a convicted eco-terrorist.

00:52:45.960 Many people, especially here in Toronto,

00:52:48.020 don't have a clue about Gilboa's criminal history,

00:52:50.540 despite it playing out in the local media just 20 years back.

00:52:54.480 You know what?

00:52:54.900 I am not whatsoever against redemption.

00:52:59.500 I believe that people have passed and they can change their ways,

00:53:03.060 and I cheer for that, right?

00:53:05.800 But he hasn't. 0.97

00:53:07.600 He is still an eco-terrorist.

00:53:10.640 Now he's just eco-terrorizing your bank account by making the cost of everything go through the roof.

00:53:17.260 Anyway, let's keep going.

00:53:19.660 Like Climate Barbie said in her drunken rant in the Newfoundland Tavern,

00:53:23.540 just keep saying it and people will totally believe it.

00:53:27.200 She did say that.

00:53:28.300 She thought she was clever.

00:53:30.380 But she was not.

00:53:32.040 She was honest.

00:53:33.320 There was a moment of honesty from her.

00:53:35.820 I seem to remember Joseph Goebbels had a similar quote.

00:53:39.660 We have to counter the enemy pounding out the propaganda,

00:53:43.560 repeating it over and over by pounding out the truth and repeating it over and over

00:53:47.700 so the people will get it.

00:53:49.620 The problem is that since 2015, thanks to social media,

00:53:52.980 the average attention span of a human fell to less than that of a goldfish.

00:53:57.360 So the frequent reminders are now necessary.

00:54:00.060 Also, there's heavy social media censorship.

00:54:02.840 So you might be reminding people frequently,

00:54:05.240 but they might not be getting the message because the message is never getting to them.

00:54:10.180 As I discussed with Tom today on the show,

00:54:13.320 I never mentioned Gilbo's name without the words convicted eco-terrorist in the same sentence

00:54:17.660 because that's exactly what he is and the people should know it.

00:54:22.720 Keep up the good work and all the best.

00:54:24.780 Peter.

00:54:25.120 Well, I will.

00:54:25.620 Peter, thank you so much.

00:54:26.560 And thank you for taking the time to write that very thoughtful letter to me.

00:54:32.680 I appreciate it when people see the work I'm doing,

00:54:36.100 stop and let me know their viewer feedback.

00:54:38.680 You know, how many of us just ingest the news,

00:54:42.600 grumble to ourselves and go on about the day?

00:54:45.200 I know that Peter sat down at his computer keyboard and typed out a message to me.

00:54:50.500 And I really appreciate that.

00:54:51.380 And I appreciate his desire to make sure that people know the truth because if you don't hear it from Rebel News

00:54:59.760 and like a handful of independent journalistic outfits, you're not going to hear it from the CBC.

00:55:06.960 That's for sure.

00:55:08.000 Have you ever heard CBC tell you that Stephen Gilbo is a convicted eco-terrorist?

00:55:11.720 Not since he was convicted.

00:55:15.540 Am I right, people?

00:55:16.680 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:55:18.220 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:55:19.580 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next weekend.

00:55:22.560 As always, remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:55:26.260 We'll be right back.

00:55:56.260 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - December 14, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The UN Climate Prom is mercifully over

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