After nearly three weeks in one of the nicest destinations on the planet, the United Nation s has finally wrapped up their climate change conference. But what exactly is going on in the United Arab Emirates where the world s elites fly on private jets to, normally these things are at fancy places? This year it s in the oil rich place where they build things just to build them, and they have three weeks of parties mixed in with meetings where they celebrate themselves for ramping up ambition to fight climate change.
00:03:33.400And so I know this is a place that is impossible without fossil fuels, either from the revenue and economic wealth generated by fossil fuels,
00:03:44.180but also the cooling, the heating, the enormous structures that they build just to build them.
00:03:50.880You know, like you don't build a man-made island where you have luxury condos.
00:03:57.100You don't do that without fossil fuels.
00:03:59.160So the idea that they've taken this, you know, worry war, the world's going to end conference to a place like Dubai to tell Dubai to phase out fossil fuels, good luck to them.
00:04:09.880Yeah, I hope you don't mind my dog barking in the background.
00:04:18.400But, yeah, and, you know, it's sad because at the beginning of the conference, you're right, Al Jabber, just before the conference started,
00:04:25.300you were talking about this last week with Michel, said some extremely sensible things.
00:04:29.840He said, you know, the science does not back the idea that we can limit temperature to 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels, you know, by getting rid of fossil fuels.
00:10:20.260I mean, that has caused a massive increase in electricity prices.
00:10:24.360And it's interesting, Sheila, because one of the things that is a result of this massive influx of renewable energy,
00:10:30.660and it's not really renewable, as you know, because they mine it, mine the cobalt with those children in the Congo and the UGRs doing processing in China.
00:10:38.600But regardless, one of the impacts of that is that people are less confident about the reliability of their electricity grid.
00:10:47.540And so, you know, it's interesting because various companies that make home generators, you know, gas powered or propane or whatever, kerosene powered generators,
00:10:57.520those companies, their stocks are going through the roof because people are losing confidence in the grid.
00:11:03.860And if you actually look at the grid across the United States, you find that there have been a lot of breakdowns.
00:11:08.620And the biggest one, and we've spoken about this before, but the biggest one was the Texas blackout in February 2021.
00:11:16.540And, you know, eight, let's see, eight million Texans lost power and heat for many days when they had one of the coldest periods in decades, actually, about 30 years.
00:11:27.140Now, the interesting thing is that just before the cold hit, and this is really relevant for Canada, especially, imagine this is what happened in Texas,
00:11:35.840which doesn't get anywhere near as cold as Canada.
00:11:38.280What happened was up to 700 people died of hypothermia, carbon monoxide poisoning and all sorts of things,
00:11:45.480because just before the storm hit, they were getting about half of their electricity from mostly from wind and a little bit from solar.
00:15:45.000And, of course, this ties in perfectly to Chideau.
00:15:48.160And we can't get rid of him soon enough.
00:15:50.320But it looks like he's going to stay in as long as Singh lets him stay in.
00:15:54.120But, yeah, so, yeah, the impact is that less and less financial institutions will want to lend money for fossil fuel developments because they're seeing a shaky future.
00:16:05.700But, of course, China will keep developing as much as they want.
00:16:17.580And, you know, most people have to realize China and India as developing countries don't have to reduce emissions ever because there is that out clause in the Framework Convention on Climate Change that underlies the Paris Agreement.
00:16:30.160It says their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation and development in Article 4.
00:16:35.540And so they're going to say, well, we can't develop and pull our people out of poverty if we can't use our least expensive energy.
00:16:42.740So I imagine that a lot of these agreements are being made with lip service, knowing that they can get out of it later, quite frankly.
00:16:50.540But I think that in Canada's case, it's going to become more and more difficult to get the funding to have these fossil fuel plants and get the pipelines built, et cetera.
00:16:59.480So I think as long as Trudeau's in, he's going to use this as a hammer to even more thoroughly destroy our energy network.
00:17:07.960And, of course, that's the reason that we wrote our report.
00:17:12.560I was just about to ask you about that.
00:17:14.820But, yeah, if Justin Trudeau isn't creating financial insecurity so that the banks don't lend to oil and gas companies, then Mark Carney and his rack at a GFANS is going to do it, where they basically apply carbon social credit scores to oil and gas projects.
00:17:32.960And if they don't qualify, then they just don't get funding.
00:17:42.460What we concluded, partly because I live in Ottawa, so it's easy for me to go to council meetings and things like that.
00:17:47.700And the Action for Canada group here in Ottawa is very active and very effective, you know.
00:17:52.900And I occasionally go to their meetings.
00:17:54.920I'm not a member of them, but regardless, I really appreciate them, to say the least.
00:17:59.800But, yeah, what we decided was that if we can kill this insane climate plan in Ottawa, which talks about putting up 702 industrial wind turbines, 36 square kilometers of solar panels, you know, 122 large containers of lithium batteries, all this kind of thing.
00:18:25.920You get to be a tank farm for all of Ottawa.
00:18:28.860Yeah, and you better hope that you don't have a fire, because I don't know if you've seen what happens when lithium batteries catch on fire.
00:18:35.080But the bottom line is we thought that if we could kill the climate and ridiculous energy plan in Ottawa, then we could do it anywhere.
00:18:43.240Because Ottawa is so woke, you know, with so many civil servants who don't dare speak out of turn.
00:18:50.280And so what we did is we had a two-step approach.
00:18:53.320I mean, at first we wrote one really big report that talked about all the negative impacts of the climate scare in Ottawa and what would happen if we actually tried to do it.
00:19:02.320It would cost us a fortune, leave us bankrupt, hungry and freezing in the dark, quite frankly.
00:19:07.360And then we would talk about the science.
00:19:09.780But we realized if we released those two parts of the report together, they would say, oh, just a bunch of climate change deniers.
00:19:17.120And they wouldn't even pay attention to the detrimental effects part and the costs.
00:19:21.820So back in January 2022, and it's on our homepage at icsc-canada.com in the lower right-hand corner, is the report that we released, as I say, January 2022.
00:19:32.800And in that report, we detail the negative consequences of the climate scare on Ottawa and Ottawa's plans and how it will actually, as I say, just wreck the city.
00:19:43.480I mean, it really will wreck the city and kill lots of people if they ever tried to do it.
00:19:47.840We also talked about the cost and the impracticality from a policy point of view, because, of course, Ottawa puts out something like one one hundredth of one percent of world emissions.
00:20:23.440OK, and so that's what the new report is.
00:20:26.040We've had two years of letting it simmer, letting people get concerned.
00:20:29.600And it was quite nice because I would go to public meetings and I would see people occasionally stand up and they would obviously they read our report because they're using the same words.
00:20:38.680And they would tell counselors and they would tell, you know, city staff, hey, you know, what's going to happen when the power goes out and I can't charge my EV?
00:20:46.980You know, and we had one lady get to the microphone and she said, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
00:20:52.900I don't want to see our city electrified on the backs of African children, you know.
00:22:40.980He said, the Kyoto Protocol is a money-sucking socialist scheme.
00:22:47.380I mean, you couldn't be more direct than that.
00:22:49.320And so we thought we were, you know, in some of the meetings, like in Barrie and other places around Ontario, we got the impression from what he was saying that he was going to come into power and kill the climate scare.
00:23:00.020But I'm sure what must have happened is he got in power and the deep state, the bureaucracy was so progressive, so to speak, in quotes, very regressive, really.
00:23:12.340It was very, very hard for him to actually carry out some of the things that he wanted to do.
00:23:17.300And so in the final analysis, Harper changed sides after becoming prime minister.
00:23:23.600You know, I like Stephen Harper, but at the same time, he did change sides.
00:23:27.120And it was under his watch with John Baird as our local MP here in Ottawa, who was actually promoting and finally signing the Paris Agreement.
00:23:37.460OK, that was in 2015, I guess, towards the end of the Harper regime because Trudeau came in in November.
00:23:43.220And so you have to say, why is it that so many conservatives make these promises?
00:23:50.220Kenny, for example, Doug Ford, you know, Doug Ford just announced he's going to start the wind and solar projects again, even though five years ago to get rid of that.
00:24:37.160He was, you know, the opposition environment critic with the Canadian Alliance.
00:24:40.880So you say, well, why do all these conservatives keep changing sides after they get elected?
00:24:45.940And it's because they don't have a plan.
00:24:48.340OK, this is the conclusion I come to in talking to various insiders.
00:24:52.040They don't have a plan as to how they're going to overcome the deep state left wing bias and actually bring about their plans.
00:25:00.920And, you know, this is something that at least in private conversations, I think it's good to ask politicians, you know, whether you want to publicize is another thing, because they might say, well, we're going to have to get rid of all these deputy ministers, you know.
00:25:14.960And of course, then they'd have even more opposition to getting elected.
00:25:20.520But it seems as if, based on my discussions with insiders, that they don't really have a plan as to how they're going to rule from the right when the bureaucracy is so heavily left.
00:26:25.380Look, if we don't criticize him, he won't do what we want.
00:26:28.020And once, you know, one of the former advisors in Stephen Harper's office, I spoke to him confidentially, you know, years ago.
00:26:36.460And I don't know if he was actually at the time working in the office.
00:26:40.820But regardless, I asked him, I said, what do you think about us criticizing you for not being right enough, conservative enough on climate policy?
00:26:50.680And I thought he was going to say, oh, yeah, we're really angry with you.
00:28:03.240And some people have said to me, they say, you're criticizing the conservatives.
00:28:08.200Do you want to see Trudeau stay in power?
00:28:10.640And I say to them, well, look, if I have a choice between a principled conservative opposition who will bring up good conservative points and push them in the House of Commons, or I or I could have a woke, fake liberal conservative government.
00:28:27.680I would rather, yeah, I'd rather they stay in opposition and do the right thing, because at least then somebody is bringing up in the House of Commons proper and sensible conservative ideas, you know.
00:28:48.060But one of the reasons is because they pay so poorly.
00:28:51.980You know, I was a legislative assistant for Bob Mills.
00:28:54.580And, you know, after seven months when he started changing sides and various things happened, I realized that's not my place to be.
00:29:03.160But regardless, the salary is very, very low.
00:29:06.220You know, so you get only mostly only young people in these jobs.
00:29:10.740And, you know, I don't think they appreciate the findings of recent research that shows that they actually lead public opinion by making statements that are sensible in a conservative ideal.
00:29:22.760In other words, you know, this Overton window they talk about.
00:29:26.240OK, this is the acceptable window that a politician can stay in.
00:29:32.400OK, I should go that way, not that way.
00:29:34.080They can pull that window right by what they say.
00:29:37.520And, you know, in a study that was done by researchers at McGill University, Drexel University and Ohio State, they tried to determine what was the major factor influencing public opinion on climate change.
00:29:50.480OK, because, of course, they wanted to support the climate scare.
00:29:53.440And what they found is it wasn't the science.
00:29:56.720It wasn't the special interest groups.
00:29:58.740It was the statements from the leaders, the politicians.
00:30:02.840They found that when the Republicans and Democrats, because they were looking at the U.S., when the Republicans and Democrats agreed that there was a climate crisis, the public was much more supportive of it.
00:30:14.920You know, even expensive things to do to supposedly stop it.
00:30:18.800They were much more supportive of it than when the Republicans were speaking out against it.
00:31:26.400They should read the report and really get up to date on the topic.
00:31:30.420And the second thing that is, you know, what I would love them to do is to lead public opinion, to start to say the things that we're saying.
00:31:38.040But I recognize that they're afraid of that.
00:31:41.280So here's what I would recommend instead.
00:31:43.960I would recommend they do what Nancy Green Rain did.
00:34:14.340And I mean, it's nonsense to say it's settled when you have like literally thousands of references in books like this one,
00:34:20.940which show that, you know, it's all kinds of points of view.
00:34:24.740So nobody in their right mind would invest all their money in a stock that's highly uncertain.
00:34:31.180And similarly with this, people would then say, whoa, I don't think we want this.
00:34:35.380So the bottom line is without committing themselves to a point of view, they would inject into the public a lot of uncertainty,
00:34:42.640which is completely appropriate. I mean, that is the right position to take.
00:34:47.000We don't know what's going to happen. It doesn't appear likely, in my opinion.
00:34:51.400But nobody has a crystal ball to the future. So, you know, that's the way they should go.
00:34:56.060And then they can start to see public opinion gradually shifting.
00:34:59.580And then they can gradually start saying things that are within the Overton window now because we've we've moved the right side of the Overton window,
00:35:07.840start to include climate skepticism, which is a legitimate point of view.
00:35:12.180And then they can actually say what they really want to say.
00:35:16.000But as long as they keep using terms like, you know, carbon pollution and, you know, green energy is ludicrous.
00:35:22.800I mean, coal is the greenest of the energies, if you think about it, because green is carbon dioxide.
00:35:29.640It's plant food. Right. So so they should should.
00:35:33.240So that's what I think they should do. And I think they can do that, you know, gradually over time.
00:35:37.860They don't have to have a big push. They got two years till the next election.
00:35:41.080And by then they'll have moved the Overton window and then they can do what's right.
00:35:46.560You know, I think most people actually don't care about climate change.
00:35:50.280They know the TV is telling them they should care about climate change.
00:35:53.860And all the politicians seem to simultaneously care about the climate change.
00:35:57.420But I think normal people just realize that it is exactly what we all know it to be.
00:36:04.000It's a big wealth transfer scheme that is eating up the middle class.
00:36:08.760Like, yeah, I think any politician that points out the absurdity of it all is going to go a long way with normal people.
00:36:18.560Oh, yeah. Let's let's talk about their their ideas that if I eat fewer steaks, which is not going to happen, that the weather will get colder.
00:36:30.860So that's a lose lose for me is what you're saying.
00:37:03.280So so so, I mean, I think the average person is just so involved in their own lives and they care about the well, actually, what they care about is the impact of the carbon tax.
00:37:13.720They care about the impact of, you know, stopping the production of oil and gas and therefore prices go through the roof.
00:37:20.380You know, so they care about those things.
00:37:23.000And that's why we released our first report talking about those things.
00:37:48.020So so if people go to our homepage, ICSC-Canada.com, what they'll see in the upper right hand corner is the new report that just came out on Friday.
00:37:58.180It was referred to in my National Post article, which was fun to see that they let me do that and push people over.
00:38:05.420And so that'll give them lots of ammunition.
00:38:07.620And then they have to develop a sensible strategy, because I think that most people in the Conservative Party, certainly when I was with the Canadian Alliance, this was the case.
00:38:24.280Now, quickly, before I let you go, and I know we're going a little bit long, but I wanted to talk to you about the censorship that climate skeptics face.
00:38:33.540For example, if you are a climate skeptic on YouTube, you're demonetized.
00:39:06.680And they've said that when people have filed complaints saying, you have published absolute nonsense attributing, you know, the islands shrinking due to tides to climate change.
00:39:20.120And you didn't allow an actual scientist to come on and rebutt.
00:39:24.660And they've said, well, we don't do that here because the science is settled.
00:39:28.220Well, you know, CBC are a case in point because they have a policy book that says point blank that they're supposed to leave their biases at the door.
00:39:37.260OK, so in the year 2000, I wrote to the CBC and I said, OK, you keep saying that there is a consensus of world scientists that there's a climate crisis.
00:40:23.000And but I had to drop the case because I then got hired by Bob Mills as the legislative assistant for him and opposition environment critic.
00:40:30.700And he didn't want me going after the CBC because, of course, he's dependent on good coverage that he hopes to get.
00:41:08.920But specifically told me that the Competition Bureau, as a result of a complaint that was registered less than one month after Trudeau took office.
00:41:18.380OK, Ecojustice put in a complaint and said that we, Friends of Science and the Heartland Institute, essentially what they said, paraphrasing, is that we were lying about climate change to please our donors.
00:41:30.580I mean, that's at least with regards to me.
00:41:40.940And they had no idea who our funders were anyway.
00:41:43.360So because we always keep it confidential because, you know, I'm attacked, you know, after that National Post article, I got I got an email from Northern Alberta.
00:42:12.560I mean, the fact that the Competition Bureau has received a complaint doesn't mean they're going to do anything.
00:42:18.220OK, because the Competition Bureau exists to stop companies from doing things like saying that their toothpaste solves cancer or saying that their their opponent's toothpaste causes cancer.
00:42:58.320If the results of an investigation disclose evidence that in the opinion of the commissioner provides the basis for criminal prosecution, the matter may be referred to Attorney General of Canada who determines whether a prosecution should be undertaken.
00:43:12.960We were told to keep all your records, tell everybody who works with you to keep your records.
00:43:17.780And for about 15 months, they kept us in the hot seat, you know, sending us occasional updates saying the investigation is still underway, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:43:26.840And so, I mean, it was kind of stressful.
00:43:28.740But at the same time, it didn't make any sense.
00:43:31.300And after about 15 months, they dropped it.
00:43:33.600And so that's when I hit back with my article in the Toronto Sun called Big Brother Watched Me.
00:43:38.940And I was making the analogy with 2000 or 1984.
00:43:44.180But, yeah, so, I mean, there are all kinds of sources that are trying to censor us.
00:43:48.880The government through that particular avenue.
00:45:00.280He said, we only show the alarmist point of view because if we showed your point of view, even if you had the top scientists in the world, our advertisers wouldn't like it.
00:45:10.380And the reason, of course, is not only does catastrophe sell media and they want high circulation so everybody sees their ads.
00:45:16.660But the last thing, somebody who's promoting their product using the climate scare, you know, our printers or our cars produce less greenhouse gases by our vehicle and save the climate.
00:45:29.560The last thing they want is for the page opposite to be a professor, Clark or somebody else saying you can't control climate.
00:45:39.380So that's the bottom line is the media do it largely, well, partly because they're ideologically shifted towards left and for some strange reason, the climate scare is left wing.
00:45:51.380They don't want to get rid of these ten thousand dollar ads for a full page ad and say the Ottawa Citizen because, yeah, it would make their advertisers angry to be told that one of their advertising methods is baloney.
00:46:05.000Well, and then, you know, just throw the government on top of that, you know, like when you're reliant on the government for bailouts and then you are publishing things that go against the government narrative.
00:46:16.880I mean, for journalists, this is their jobs are on the line.
00:47:51.560I'm already apologetic to my editor who has to make this look nice in a couple of short hours for publication.
00:47:58.400But how do people find out about the very important work that you do at the International Climate Science Coalition Canada and the other places where they might find you?
00:48:38.860We also have a podcast that you can see on ICSC-Canada.com, where I have an interview with you.
00:48:45.820It's the other, sorry, Exploratory Journeys, which is our podcast.
00:48:50.920And go to ICSC-Canada.com and you can see the two reports that we just did.
00:48:55.980And also on the left, you can see where Ottowans are fighting back.
00:49:00.500And it's a great illustration of how even in a woke left-wing city, the public can have an impact.
00:49:06.540You know, how do people pitch in to help you guys?
00:49:09.320Because you are up against not just the government, but the deep green tentacles of these foreign-funded charities that just dump money into Canada to make our jobs vaporize and our utility bills more expensive.
00:50:07.120Tom, thanks so much for taking the time today and thanks so much for the hard work that you do on behalf of science and reality and normal Canadians who are just struggling to pay their bills.
00:50:16.760We'll have you back on again very soon.
00:50:20.280We'll have you back on again very soon.
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