Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tides Foundation gearing up for the next federal Canadian election

00:00:00.000 Oh hey Rebels, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio only recording of my

00:00:04.620 weekly Wednesday night show aptly called The Gunn Show. Now tonight my guest is my friend Michelle

00:00:11.340 Sterling from Friends of Science and I really like Friends of Science because they cut through the

00:00:19.300 media and political hysteria on the issue of climate change to give you the facts and maybe

00:00:28.380 tell you to calm down, pump the brakes because we are actually not all going to die and there isn't

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00:01:28.120 Why your SUV probably isn't responsible for the drought in Alberta or the wildfires in BC

00:01:48.500 and it's not just foreign funded foundations meddling in Canadian politics, it's domestic

00:01:56.100 ones too and you're subsidizing them. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:18.300 Friends, it's almost impossible to watch TV or consume the mainstream media without being

00:02:24.360 absolutely inundated with what I call fear pornography. Whether the mainstream media is

00:02:31.220 calling unmarked or forgotten cemeteries mass graves or maybe the mainstream media is scaring

00:02:37.860 you about the so-called Delta variant of COVID-19 or that there's a fourth wave of infections coming

00:02:44.860 or maybe the mainstream media is making you feel bad about how your SUV is causing British Columbia

00:02:51.140 forest fires and Alberta droughts. There's almost no escape from the constant attempts of the media

00:02:59.420 to brainwash you to conform to liberal and far left-wing talking points on all of these issues.

00:03:07.160 It's almost uniform from the mainstream media, isn't it? There's hardly ever a balanced or skeptical

00:03:14.580 viewpoint on any of these issues presented in the mainstream media. While the mainstream media

00:03:21.460 simultaneously preens and tells us that they are balanced and non-partisan, they broadcast

00:03:29.960 literal liberal party talking points as gospel truth. Now that's why I love the work that my guest

00:03:36.720 tonight does on so many issues other than maybe the one issue that you've come to know her because of.

00:03:44.540 My guest tonight is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and I think that's where you

00:03:50.720 all know her from and she's here tonight to tell you that maybe you don't need to be so upset that your

00:03:57.300 practical vehicle is burning down British Columbia but also she's here to tell you that maybe

00:04:03.660 the mass graves of residential schools are not actually mass graves or pits filled with bodies.

00:04:10.460 She's also here to warn us though that we need to pay closer attention to the Canadian funding sources

00:04:16.300 of anti-Canadian environmentalist groups operating here in Canada. Here's the interview we recorded Tuesday morning.

00:04:33.660 So joining me now is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science from her cabin in the middle

00:04:44.760 of nowhere. Two gals in cabins in the middle of nowhere talking about the climate but also about 0.54

00:04:51.400 other things. Michelle, you sent me a link to a project that you're working on. It's not really climate

00:04:58.560 science related at all but as I was saying off camera it is so perfectly Michelle Sterling because

00:05:05.800 one of the things that you do with Friends of Science is you say pump the brakes calm down stop

00:05:12.160 the hysteria let's get all the facts and you are doing exactly that when it comes to investigating

00:05:19.700 whether or not these are unmarked graves or mass graves when it comes to the residential school

00:05:26.900 discoveries. Yes it's really sad that the journalistic community has not done any reasonable amount of

00:05:34.900 research on the historical context of the mass graves as they call them. They're not mass graves for the

00:05:41.900 most part they're unmarked graves and if you look back in history you'll find that tuberculosis TB was an epidemic

00:05:50.360 of very significant proportions in Canada's history. Up until 1960 it was the largest killer of all Canadians

00:05:58.360 and certainly it did affect Aboriginal people more and certainly it also affected children in residential

00:06:06.360 schools and there really was no cure until the 1960s so we do see these very high rates of death

00:06:14.360 um but you know it's it's terrible to confuse that with some kind of uh intentional attack

00:06:22.360 on Aboriginal people in fact in history shows that the government made many serious efforts to contain

00:06:30.360 and control and heal people in the 50s they were taking thousands of people from the north to sanatoriums

00:06:38.360 to sanatoriums where they would be um you know made well for the most part most of them would be

00:06:45.080 and one of their rehab projects was doing soapstone carving so again uh in my work i'm not saying

00:06:52.360 that bad things didn't happen they did and in fact in the post that i recently did on medium i referred to

00:06:59.480 people in Ireland and in the states who also went to residential type schools or to um to tuberculosis

00:07:07.800 sanatoria where they were abused so it's um you know it's really important that we have some

00:07:14.440 context on what happened in history because dancing on people's graves in the media to get headlines

00:07:20.440 is really unethical journalism you know and i think you're the perfect person to do this sort of work

00:07:27.960 because again that is so much of what you do with uh debunking climate activism um you know we're told

00:07:34.760 all the time that there are going to be climate refugees and that people are dying in little

00:07:39.800 island countries off in the middle of nowhere and that's simply not the case um and so i'm so happy

00:07:46.520 to see you drilling down and adding some historical context to the discoveries at these residential schools

00:07:53.320 because it's not happening at all in the mainstream media and and canada is being vilified as

00:08:00.200 justin trudeau called us a genocidal state yeah and that's not true uh i mean there were mass deaths

00:08:07.720 certainly during the spanish flu there were mass deaths and mass graves simply because there weren't

00:08:13.160 enough people to go and dig graves and people were dropping like flies literally within uh the course

00:08:19.720 of a day a person could die um as so and and in fact their whole family the spanish flu was horrific

00:08:26.760 uh so much so that people didn't really talk about it after it passed because they were so traumatized

00:08:32.600 by it and very similarly with the residential schools issue a lot of people were so traumatized by being

00:08:39.640 pulled out of their communities either to go to residential school or even to go to a tv sanatorium

00:08:46.040 there's one recorded um testimonial from a family saying that we didn't know our brother he was put into a

00:08:55.160 sanatorium when he was seven and returned home when he was 13 and we didn't know who he was he didn't

00:09:01.640 speak our language he didn't understand our customs you can certainly understand that that would be very

00:09:06.680 traumatizing and and impossible to make sense of so i'm hoping with the article that i wrote and the

00:09:14.280 research that i offer from other researchers in that historical period i hope that this will help people

00:09:20.600 um better understand what happened then and why and the context of the time well i'm glad you're doing

00:09:28.520 it and uh as i read it i thought boy you know this how many times do we have to let the government tell

00:09:36.760 us how to live our lives before we figure out that that's a terrible thing to do to people where we

00:09:41.560 allow the government to control our families and who we can interact with and how we behave

00:09:45.640 um you know it it's uh there's some strong overlays with what has happened in the world with civil

00:09:53.400 liberties in the last 16 months uh lessons we should have learned a long time ago from other atrocities

00:10:00.280 very true very true now sorry michelle i didn't mean to cut you off there um go ahead finish your

00:10:06.200 thoughts oh well and just to note that you know tb had a very strong social stigma very much like what we

00:10:13.000 see today with issues between vaccinated unvaccinated mask wearers not mask wearers and this type of

00:10:19.800 stigma even exists today in northern communities where tb is quite rampant but people are even afraid

00:10:26.840 to get a diagnosis because then they may become outcasts in their own community which of course

00:10:32.440 leads to the ongoing spread of the tuberculosis and lack of treatment for that individual so you know

00:10:40.360 and it's funny that the government is so willing to put money into searching up graves when these are

00:10:45.560 real living people who need help now and uh you know it's not that the dead shouldn't be honored

00:10:52.760 but honestly if you can save people now let's do that you know what an excellent point michelle um

00:11:00.360 moving from that um there's an another sort of top of mind issue um here in alberta um if you open a

00:11:09.000 window it's smoky outside um and you know if you walk across the grass it feels like astroturf we're

00:11:16.120 in a drought but there's also fires in another province um and apparently according to climate

00:11:21.400 change activists again more fear-mongering um these things have never happened before albert has never

00:11:28.840 experienced a drought there have never been forest fires in bc this is all absolute climate change and

00:11:33.960 my comfortable suv is the bad guy here well of course all that is nonsense one of the the biggest

00:11:41.880 fires in alberta and bc was in 1950 called the chinchanga firestorm there's a really great book by

00:11:48.920 cordy timstra uh published by the university of alberta press and this fire burnt uh 3.4 million acres

00:11:56.840 of land and the smoke pall was seen around the world the moon was blue the sky was dark people

00:12:04.440 thought the end of the world had come and that was just the smoke from this one fire that went around

00:12:10.120 the world um so it certainly is an ongoing phenomenon it's called wildfire season you're right there's a

00:12:17.960 wonderful uh resource that everybody should look at called fire smart canada and fire smart is also

00:12:24.600 broken down into all the provinces because there are differences in each province but it offers you

00:12:30.200 some insights as to how to protect your property yourself and your community so people should look

00:12:34.920 at that and take that advice um it's not uh um climate change it's um an element of uh of climate which

00:12:44.920 is called la nina there's these alternating uh cycles of ocean temperature which are el nino and la

00:12:52.920 niña and both of them have very significant weather effects but they're short term el nino is usually

00:12:58.920 maybe up to two years but la nina is usually a bit shorter but these cause conditions that can

00:13:05.480 exacerbate drought um for the prairies in la nina conditions and there's a paper by um or a few papers

00:13:13.880 by ray garnett and madav kandakar that people can look up to learn more about that bc had many lightning

00:13:20.840 strikes this year and many fire bugs as well about uh 59 of the wildfires in bc last year were caused by

00:13:29.240 people 42 on average are caused by human interaction that doesn't always mean arson you know sometimes

00:13:37.320 it's a spark from an atv sometimes negligent camping sometimes a cigarette but uh sometimes uh sparking on

00:13:44.920 um you know a branch sparking on a power line uh so that may not be the the uh cause of you know

00:13:52.040 uh an individual fault at all it may be the power company or it may simply be how that tree grew and

00:13:58.680 nobody noticed but um those are the human interactions that cause it and uh of course you

00:14:05.560 know people go to the bush a lot more now and many more of them are not very well trained you know we

00:14:11.400 used to have boy scouts and girl guides where people learned about safe camping and now people

00:14:15.720 just sit at home you know on their xbox or whatever hey let's go camping but they don't know about how to

00:14:21.160 put out a fire properly or you know things to do in the woods that keep you safe yeah sorry go ahead

00:14:28.440 please oh well you know so these are some of the things also in bc they've got tons of dead trees from

00:14:35.000 the pine beetle infestation and if they were really serious about protecting their population they

00:14:40.840 would spend a few hundred million on clearing out these places especially close to um uh human 1.00

00:14:47.400 settlements and also if these climateers are so keen that there's going to be you know global warming

00:14:53.800 and they've been spending billions for the past few years on it why didn't they put up more you know

00:14:58.760 containment centers for people to go to when there's a heat event i mean you couldn't be prepared

00:15:06.440 for this and actually if you want to look up about the heat dome cliff mass who's a professor uh in the

00:15:13.240 states and is an expert on pacific northwest climate he's written a great uh blog post on it i think we

00:15:20.920 saw a lot of this happening in california a couple years ago where you know all the activists were screaming

00:15:26.920 about climate change however it has a lot more to do with fuel load in the forest and forestry

00:15:34.760 practices which have been inhibited by environmentalist induced laws and regulations

00:15:41.480 yes and also and particularly in california there's an interesting phenomenon you know if there's a fire

00:15:47.240 then all that area is cleared then what happens there's rain in the winter then you have this sudden

00:15:52.840 profusion of light shrub uh and then it the hot season comes and it dries standing so this is what's

00:16:00.760 called uh it creates cribbing and this is just like kindling so you know one little spark and it all

00:16:08.280 goes up and of course add to that especially in california the santa ana winds so you get tremendous

00:16:15.240 winds there like our chinook winds you know you've got a fire in that kind of a wind good luck stopping it

00:16:21.160 that amber storm is just going to take off you know it's it's really interesting as you rightly point

00:16:27.080 out if the environmentalists think that my comfortable suv is causing global warming and

00:16:33.160 because global warming is happening then there's going to be more forest fires why haven't they

00:16:37.160 done anything to make forest communities more resilient to the forest fires they promise us are

00:16:41.560 coming they haven't done any of that instead they just stand on tragedy to push their agenda

00:16:48.600 right i mean putting up a wind farm or a solar panel is not going to save your life

00:16:54.120 but what might be a useful application of funds is to cut a fire break around some of these

00:16:59.160 at-risk communities you know like a kilometer wide and maybe turn that into even a tourist walk

00:17:05.160 you know you could do something constructive with it as well but um you know make sure that you've got the

00:17:11.000 forest cleared back and another thing you know a lot of people who live you know people move

00:17:16.440 say in kelowna they left well not just kelowna but all over alberta too yeah people love to move to

00:17:21.720 these wooded communities i mentioned that because my brother had moved to west kelowna

00:17:26.520 at one point and he had a beautiful big house with a swimming pool and surrounded by trees right right

00:17:33.560 up against the house well that's number one no no you know in regard to keeping fire wildfire from

00:17:40.520 destroying your property get those trees back clear all that junk away don't have stuff on your

00:17:45.960 deck that's flammable you know because it's it's like kindling if there's an ember storm

00:17:51.480 it just needs a little touch on that and that flammable material and it's gone so there are lots

00:17:57.800 of things people can do to protect their property but they're you know again let's put up a wind farm

00:18:03.880 no let's just deal with the practicalities so there's actually a good video by the national

00:18:09.480 association of fire protection in the states on your home can survive a wildfire very interesting

00:18:15.080 to watch because lots of simple things you can do to really potentially protect your home not a guarantee

00:18:21.720 yeah a lot of that work was done here in alberta too after the slave lake fire um we did a the

00:18:29.720 province did a large-scale examination of how that came to be and um how best to protect our forest

00:18:36.120 communities i don't think it's so much the same as in southern alberta you might get hit by a grass

00:18:41.080 fire in town there but in the north um where i live where where the grasslands are crashing into the boreal

00:18:47.480 forest and then beyond that um the the communities in the boreal forest these are forestry communities by

00:18:53.720 and large they are surrounded by forest and i know a lot of communities in the wake of the slave lake

00:19:01.240 fire made steps to make their communities a lot more safe and to communicate the lessons that you just did

00:19:06.120 to homeowners in these communities because everybody loves to live with nature um but you do need to

00:19:12.360 realize that you are um you need to live in concert with nature and sometimes nature means a wildfire

00:19:18.680 that's right and also in that was called the flat top fire complex review that report that the

00:19:24.520 government did one of the things they found is that a lot of people who'd moved from the city to an

00:19:28.440 acreage assumed they could call 9-1-1 if there was a fire right not realizing that that that fire

00:19:35.240 department may not even serve your community and they're going to take an hour to get there you know

00:19:40.360 so if you live in a rural area um of any kind you have to coordinate with your neighbors you know some

00:19:46.600 stopgap measures for containment or evacuation you have to be prepared to deal with it yourself

00:19:53.240 until or unless you know the real resources can get there and if they're fighting a really big fire

00:19:59.000 on the other side of the mountain they can't come they don't have the people so you know and i think

00:20:05.000 um you know when i when i spoke in grand prairie a couple of years ago they gave me a beautiful

00:20:09.960 historical book there of the hand-painted watercolors of uh of the region history and one of the things

00:20:19.560 that they noted and what you see in the pictures is all the pioneers had stuff cleared right away from

00:20:24.920 their house you know they there was a huge clearance to the forest and that's how a lot of them survived

00:20:30.680 these wildfires um so you know that people just forgotten or they don't realize living in modern times

00:20:38.520 i think you can just google it how to put out a wildfire you know you got to be prepared on the

00:20:44.840 ground you know it's funny last time i was in grand prairie somebody gave me a book on bigfoot

00:20:49.480 i think you know we all uh we all have our things you know um michelle i wanted to ask you about um

00:20:59.720 another large foundation meddling in canadian politics and i guess to some extent international

00:21:07.000 politics um we all know about the tides foundation i think not we all but i think watchers to these

00:21:14.040 sorts of things we all know about the tides foundation and how they have their tentacles

00:21:18.440 into everything but there's another big foundation the mcconnell foundation that is dumping money

00:21:25.240 at climate activists and other companies um and at friends of science you guys have been sort

00:21:32.360 of documenting much of this well uh we're just uh going through some of the canadian funding because

00:21:39.640 of course with the alberta inquiry going on one of the arguments of uh some of the people who are

00:21:45.080 supposedly named in the uh alberta inquiry they say oh you know we hardly got any money from foreign

00:21:51.000 donors we got most of our money from canadian donors well that's not entirely untrue so we ran

00:21:58.280 across a few things that um like for instance the tax subsidized mcconnell foundation gave a grant of

00:22:04.600 10 million dollars but to who to one of the world's largest companies black weird that's weird that's 0.92

00:22:13.480 very weird but at the same time they were also funding a group called the strathmere group and who

00:22:19.480 is that well that's an organization of the top say 12 environmental groups in canada it was formed by

00:22:27.240 marlo reynolds when he was part of uh pamper institute and uh so mcconnell funded the strathmere group

00:22:36.760 which as a group is said to have over 358 000 members 420 staff and adjun annual budgets totaling over 50

00:22:46.840 million dollars so the strathmere group then um is noted in boothroy communications online as uh being

00:22:57.560 greenpeace pembina institute world wild fund and it says that in 2014 we planned and facilitated the

00:23:03.880 toronto skills building workshop campaigns and communications 2014 where directors from canada's

00:23:10.760 12 leading environmental organization learned from leading market researchers journalists and organizers

00:23:18.600 and agreed to work on shared frames and messages in advance of the 2015 federal election so this suggests

00:23:26.840 that the media are accepting the framing of issues from engos in advance of an election period and

00:23:32.920 consequently there's little public debate on climate change or energy energy policies and this is all part

00:23:39.160 of a new blog post that we put up last night and in that post we also show that the most recent ipcc

00:23:47.800 climate models are running way too hot and even gavin schmidt of nasa g iss admits that and he says

00:23:55.320 they're just wrong so that's where all this catastrophe climate thinking is coming from these wrong faulty models

00:24:03.720 and interestingly that these big canadian tax funded foundations are funding these tax subsidized

00:24:13.480 NGOs to promote a very specific message that promotes a certain sector which is like the

00:24:21.720 renewable sector like you know for instance we see um sandy garasino on um national observers she's made 0.97

00:24:30.360 quite a few comments about the allen inquiry well one could say she also has a vested interest in the

00:24:35.800 climate catastrophe scenario because she's the grandmother of elon musk's baby her daughter is married 0.95

00:24:43.160 to him so the climate catastrophe scenario is one of the main principles upon which the push for electric

00:24:51.560 vehicles lands right it there is no reason to have electric vehicles unless there is this proposed climate

00:24:59.000 catastrophe scenario so all these things are intertwined anyway i invite people to have a look at that

00:25:06.040 blog post that we just put up now you glossed over something that you and i both know but maybe people

00:25:11.720 at home have forgotten the founder of it's the strath thern strath mirror strath mirror i wanted to say

00:25:20.680 strath more um the strath mirror group marlo reynolds we have to remember that this is not non-partisan

00:25:29.400 activity marlo reynolds went on to work for katherine mckenna when she was the environment

00:25:35.640 minister so these people are taking advantage of our charitable tax structure here in canada

00:25:43.960 to push for partisan liberal talking points that's what's happening and that's why that

00:25:50.200 alberta inquiry is so important yes yes and uh again the alberta inquiry as i understand it

00:25:56.600 is not intended to make a legal decision it's intended to simply follow the money and say well here's the

00:26:03.000 money that's coming and going to these different groups and then other people i assume i don't know

00:26:08.440 i haven't seen any of the drafts or anything but um other people can then say oh well that's interesting

00:26:15.000 because when this money went there then this kind of thing happened in the market you know but we'll

00:26:20.360 have to see how it turns out but that is why it's so important because again tax subsidized organizations

00:26:27.640 using tax money taxpayer money to put taxpayers out of work in my opinion that is completely wrong

00:26:35.640 yeah and one of those um members of the strath mirror group permanent institute if you go on to

00:26:43.720 the federal government's grants website it is nothing but a series of grants headed from the federal

00:26:49.880 government to the permanent institute where the permanent institute then uses that taxpayer money to push

00:26:56.760 partisan talking points that put canadians out of jobs that's correct yeah in fact uh recently they

00:27:02.600 got over 700 000 from natural resources canada i don't know what for they don't have that level

00:27:08.920 of expertise in my opinion say that people who once worked at the neb did where they did highly

00:27:15.000 technical reviews uh at the same time in 2018 they got another about 300 000 us from the energy

00:27:22.520 energy foundation of the u.s so you know the foreign funding hasn't stopped to these groups

00:27:28.440 and that one was to promote clean clean energy uh so um you know that this is really skewing public

00:27:38.040 policy in canada in a way that you and i as citizens we don't have access to that money we don't

00:27:44.440 have the same kind of platform we don't have that access to government even our own elected officials

00:27:50.200 don't have that kind of money and influence because they're not meeting with the media

00:27:54.840 for a big uh um pre-election um conference and communications workshop to set up the framing

00:28:04.040 common to 12 huge environmental groups with the media in attendance you know that's another thing that

00:28:12.600 i think people should be aware of that the media while it presents itself as you know we're non-partisan we

00:28:19.800 watch the watchers or whatever they are meeting with these large-scale environmentalist groups

00:28:27.480 who are funded by the liberals you've got staffers from these large-scale environmental groups

00:28:33.880 working for the liberals and then you've got the media telling them how to communicate the issues

00:28:38.840 because the media is not non-partisan they're in there like a dirty shirt too yeah yeah and also you

00:28:45.480 know you have to think that some of these large um engos like ducks unlimited which apparently is not

00:28:52.520 named in the allen inquiry even though they get tons of money but one thing that's interesting they and

00:28:58.360 i think cpos have been running very heavy advertising campaigns on all the tv stations so you know if you're

00:29:06.200 an advertiser a media outlet a journalist and you see wow these guys do have a lot of money to throw

00:29:12.600 around and to advertise and there is such a thing as native advertising now where um sort of advertorials

00:29:19.800 are placed op-eds are placed as if an actual op-ed but it's really a paid sponsored content and maybe in tiny

00:29:27.560 letters it says sponsored content yeah but you know these groups can afford to do a lot of that

00:29:33.080 and groups like us who rely on the media to be fair and open when we send in a rebuttal it never gets published

00:29:39.560 yeah so we have to post it on our blog and this has happened time and again so you know there is no

00:29:45.720 fair balance happening at all and again you just mentioned something sorry to cut you off michelle

00:29:51.400 but you mentioned something that again you just glossed over because you and i both know but maybe

00:29:55.720 everybody else doesn't know you mentioned cpos cpos is an arm of the i think it's yellowstone to

00:30:02.920 yukon initiative where basically they are funded by american and large-scale uh foreign uh activist

00:30:11.800 groups large charities and foundations their main goal is to turn the entire eastern slope of the rocky

00:30:20.920 mountains into a park spanning from yellowstone to yukon and if you want to know who is exactly

00:30:28.920 responsible for putting the bug in the ndp's ear to close off public lands to people who use them

00:30:36.280 like me for quadding hunting fishing that's cpos yes i wrote an article about that in 2013 although i

00:30:44.200 don't know if y2y was in progress then but i called it the great eco wall of canada because that's

00:30:50.520 effectively what all these different engos have done in some way they laid claim to certain parts of land

00:30:57.160 so that you can't put your pipeline there because of the spotted owl and you can't put your pipeline

00:31:01.960 here because of these kind of berries and you can't put your transmission line there because this

00:31:06.360 land is sacred to someone and not always to the actual band but some new nominated uh you know well

00:31:14.200 now i'm a certain kind of first nations person outside of the context of my tribe and i say that this

00:31:20.920 is sacred so you know it's never ending the different kinds of excuses they come up with

00:31:27.160 for blockadia and then of course there's real blockadia um people should know that extinction

00:31:32.440 rebellion is calling for another road blockade of canada road and railroad blockade of canada

00:31:39.880 in october to completely shut down canada wow these people never end but i guess the money flowing to

00:31:46.840 them never never ends either and i think when we finally find a way to cut off the foreign money 0.75

00:31:52.280 flowing to them maybe they'll have to go get real jobs and domestic yeah and domestic thank you very

00:31:58.920 much now uh lastly before i let you go because you've been so generous with your time um friends

00:32:05.320 of science you guys have been sort of digging down into mark carney and um i think a lot of people

00:32:12.760 might know the name but they don't really know why they know the name um but he's recently announced

00:32:18.200 that he's not going to officially run for canadian politics however his hands are in so much that

00:32:24.440 the liberals are doing and not just here in canada he sort of has international influence um but why

00:32:30.760 don't you give us a colesnotes version of who mark carney is and why we need to worry about him

00:32:35.880 well um mark carney worked for goldman sachs for 13 years uh then he moved on he became the governor of

00:32:41.960 the bank of canada then the governor of the bank of england when he left there he was appointed un

00:32:47.080 special envoy on climate finance and action he's been advising the prime minister uh he's not a

00:32:53.240 registered lobbyist even though he's also at the same time the vice president of esg or vice chair of

00:32:59.720 esg environment social and governance for brookfield he's on the board of stripes which is a digital

00:33:06.840 uh money transaction uh firm fintech firm he's uh on the board of pimco he's uh he's on several boards

00:33:16.520 we've got two videos about him that are based on research done by parker gallant and parker is also

00:33:23.000 a former banker so this man is very very influential completely embedded in climate change as is his wife

00:33:31.240 diana fox carney and they're both very influential players and yet they seem to have these pecuniary

00:33:37.640 interests as well so um you know those are not the rules that ordinary people have to play by and

00:33:44.200 people should keep an eye on that michelle tell us how people can support the work that you do because

00:33:51.400 you guys at friends of science you're just this little sort of society and you are acting against

00:33:58.520 these huge foundations and environmental groups that as you point out um get all kinds of domestic

00:34:06.040 money public money and foreign funding to spread a message of fear and well doomsday um you offer

00:34:16.360 a more fact-based approach to that and you also offer people some i don't know anxiety relief i think is

00:34:24.600 the right thing when you're just inundated by the tv telling you that the world's going to end either by

00:34:30.120 covid or by climate change you offer sort of the flip side of that you tell the other side of the

00:34:35.240 story which here at rebel news we like about you guys tell us how people can support the work that you

00:34:39.560 do well you can become a member or you can donate you can go to our main website which is

00:34:44.920 friendsofscience.org um you can follow us on all of our social media we're on linkedin on facebook

00:34:53.080 on twitter on youtube on instagram um we have another youth oriented plain language website called

00:35:01.080 climate change 101.ca and we'd love to have you participate in our uh conversation and you know

00:35:09.240 if you're not rich at the moment just share our stuff join in the conversation we're not interested

00:35:15.000 in dogma we're interested in climate science interested in insights uh and um energy policy

00:35:23.640 cost benefit analysis and i will say also that we are very interested that minister wilkinson

00:35:30.120 has called for an adult debate on climate and energy policies and we think that that should happen

00:35:36.600 right now yeah i imagine though that the debate is not going to be a debate at all but just two

00:35:42.440 people agreeing with each other nodding because they're not gonna allow people like friends of science to

00:35:48.600 be involved in it i don't think i'll be shocked if they do and i and i encourage it because i can't

00:35:53.800 wait to see um some of the scientists that you work with run circles around the other side but that is

00:35:59.320 precisely why they probably won't have you there but we can continue this debate ourselves the public

00:36:05.160 exactly the media can open the debate if the government will not open the debate then we the

00:36:11.160 people have to do it and we have to demand full cost benefit analysis of these policies because

00:36:17.480 otherwise everyone will be broke there will be heat or eat poverty there will be cruel and unusual

00:36:23.880 punishment imposed on canadians it's not a laughing matter anymore it's not a matter of deniers or

00:36:30.680 compliers it's a very serious issue and we have to take action now you know that's one of the things

00:36:37.960 i i love about friends of science is that you take these big huge complex issues and you turn them into

00:36:43.720 what they actually mean for your family because i think a lot of times the politicians and the

00:36:48.920 environmental activists they rely on the fact that they use overly complicated explanations and terms

00:36:55.480 to mean uh a tithe to the climate gods to change the weather in the form of a carbon tax they they

00:37:02.440 call it a carbon levy they they use these broad huge terms because they think that canadians aren't

00:37:08.520 smart enough to see through what they're doing and you speak directly to canadians through your youtube

00:37:13.800 channel which i cannot recommend enough thank you yes michelle thanks so much for coming on the show

00:37:20.280 we'll have you back on again very very soon um enjoy the rest of your summer and uh i don't know

00:37:25.320 know stay out of the smoke i guess thank you thanks sheila all the best

00:37:37.400 i think the world needs to calm down and chill out if we've learned anything from the climate crisis

00:37:44.120 and now covid it's that politicians need to have you in a constant state of fear and anxiety for you to

00:37:50.520 accept the absolutely irrational and expensive things they want to do to you all in the name

00:37:57.160 of saving you from the crisis they won't shut up about and that what they're trying to save you from

00:38:03.320 might not be a crisis at all the media though they're all too happy to help the politicians scare you

00:38:09.560 on the flip side as long as the mainstream media remains terrible and one-sided i guess i guess i've got

00:38:16.840 job security telling you the other side of the story they don't want you to know well everybody

00:38:21.560 that's the show for tonight thank you so much as always for tuning in i'll see everybody back here

00:38:26.440 or wherever in the same time next week and remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too

00:38:31.960 much to think

Rebel News Podcast - August 05, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tides Foundation gearing up for the next federal Canadian election

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