Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tom Harris： Is Canada’s '2x warming' claim built on bad data？

00:00:00.000 Is Canada really warming twice the global average? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:22.760 You know, I want you to do a little experiment. I did it myself. I want you to open up whatever

00:00:28.720 search engine you use and plug in canada warming at twice the rate just that and then see what pops

00:00:38.180 up it's article after article after article including canada.ca so the government of canada

00:00:46.580 report saying that canada is warming at twice the global average now what is the global average

00:00:52.280 how do you even read that and also if the eu is also warming at twice the global average and

00:01:00.380 canada is warming at twice the global average and perhaps even the united states is warming at

00:01:04.360 twice the global average then if we're all warming it twice the global average what have

00:01:10.980 what even is the global average and what if this is all based on nonsense anyway

00:01:16.260 Well, wouldn't you know it? I think it is. And so does my guest today. Today, we're talking to Tom

00:01:23.700 Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition about his recent presentation,

00:01:28.840 wherein he lays out how this flawed claim came to be. Take a listen.

00:01:35.460 so joining me now is tom harris from the international climate science coalition

00:01:46.960 canada and as you saw in my introduction to the interview if you just put canada warming at twice

00:01:55.540 the global rate into your search engine it seems as though every year canada is warming at twice

00:02:02.080 the global rate, but what even is the global temperature as a baseline? How could you even

00:02:07.540 test that? Tom, you very recently gave a presentation debunking this idea that I think

00:02:16.600 permeated from Environment and Climate Change Canada in roughly 2019-ish is when this idea came

00:02:24.880 into the ethos of the country and then just spread around the world.

00:02:30.400 Now, apparently, the EU is warming at twice the global rate.

00:02:33.940 Again, what's the global rate?

00:02:35.700 I don't know.

00:02:36.420 Who knows?

00:02:37.460 Tom, walk us through this flawed concept.

00:02:41.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:02:42.020 I presented this talk at the International Climate Change Conference,

00:02:46.380 number 16, in Washington, D.C., last week.

00:02:49.880 And people can check it out.

00:02:51.200 We'll put it up on our homepage at icsc-canada.com.

00:02:54.880 But you can go to heartland.org and watch the whole conference, which I really recommend, because there's some pretty inspirational things.

00:03:03.260 And before I get to my own topic, I just wanted to mention they had a youth panel.

00:03:07.140 And these were, you know, in most cases, they were youths that actually were on the climate change side.

00:03:13.520 Lucy Biggers, I don't know if you've heard of her, but Lucy Biggers, she actually worked with the Greta Thunberg and AOC.

00:03:20.580 and there's pictures of her on the internet big smile you know she's with all these climate

00:03:25.640 alarmists but she now has woken up chris martz who we interviewed on america out loud and he's

00:03:31.380 yeah yeah lots of these people are in fact um moved over to climate realism you know and they're

00:03:39.680 angry because they were constantly propagandized you know annika sweetland for example she's she

00:03:45.340 did an excellent presentation. She got a degree at the University of West Australia in climate

00:03:50.800 change. And in fact, she was being primed to be a climate activist speaker. And she's a very good

00:03:56.820 speaker. She could win a Toastmasters award, that's for sure. But it's really inspirational

00:04:02.440 to see, especially with so many of the old climate scientists dying off, real heroes like Tim Ball

00:04:08.240 and Bob Carter from Australia. I mean, so many of them are passed away that we got a new

00:04:14.660 generation that are opening up their eyes, and they're really wakening up to this. So that was,

00:04:20.900 to me, in some ways, the most encouraging part of the whole conference. But again, people can

00:04:26.280 check it out, heartland.org. And my presentation was on the second day, and I was looking at two

00:04:32.480 things. One, is Canada really warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world? And two, is it

00:04:39.160 caused by greenhouse gases. Now, in the case of the first one, the first thing I said to people,

00:04:45.380 and this is what Will Happer, the physicist from Princeton, said to me, he said,

00:04:50.080 wouldn't it really matter if Canada was warming faster than the world? It's a cold country,

00:04:54.880 you know? And I mean, that's a really good point because most of the warming is supposed to occur

00:05:00.220 in the winter in the Arctic, okay? And that's supposed to be a problem. So it's going to be

00:05:05.700 minus 55 instead of minus 60. I mean, how many animals, yeah, how many animals or plants or

00:05:11.640 people would really care if that were true? So, I mean, you know, that was how I started and

00:05:16.280 everybody laughed. They thought, yeah, Canada, we're worried about global warming, especially

00:05:21.080 at night in the Arctic in the winter. But, you know, the second thing is just what you were

00:05:26.720 saying is that, is there a global temperature? Is there a Canada wide temperature? And the answer

00:05:32.700 is no there isn't really because temperature is not something that you can be uh that you can

00:05:38.440 average like height or weight okay you can take 10 people's heights and you add them all up and

00:05:43.920 you divide by the number of people and you get an average height but weight is actually it's kind of

00:05:49.280 like a quality of something i the analogy i like is it's a little bit like a phone number okay you

00:05:55.520 could take all the phone numbers in one of those old telephone books and you could average them

00:05:59.540 and you get a phone number and if you call them would you get the average person you know I mean

00:06:05.080 yeah it's a silly idea and you know it's interesting because uh Ross McKittrick and

00:06:10.020 Chris Essex and Bjorn Anderson they gave examples in a paper in which they pointed out that you can

00:06:16.620 show that a system is both warming and cooling at the same time with the same data and and the

00:06:24.220 reason is this. If you have two things, two sort of temperature fields, like the temperature field

00:06:29.600 for Canada over one year, and then the temperature field over a later year, those two fields almost

00:06:36.080 completely overlap. There can be a small change, perhaps a tenth of a degree in this so-called

00:06:41.580 average. But if you average it in different ways, you can actually show that it's cooling or warming.

00:06:47.920 And, you know, Ross McKittrick and Essex, they actually point this out, and they say the only

00:06:52.660 time you can say that a temperature field is hotter or colder than another one is if the ranges

00:06:58.400 don't overlap. In other words, in January in Toronto, it might be minus 5 to plus 10. But in

00:07:06.060 Miami, it's not even within that range. It might be plus 15 to plus 25. So those two temperature

00:07:12.960 ranges don't overlap. So you can definitely say that Miami is warmer than Toronto in January.

00:07:18.720 But for temperature fields that overlap a great deal, and in this case, almost completely from year to year, you can't really say easily if, in fact, it's warming.

00:07:29.820 And then, of course, the other thing that I always laugh about is they have almost no temperature sensing stations.

00:07:35.540 They have a continuous record.

00:07:37.920 You might have noticed that they use the year 1948.

00:07:41.000 They say from 1948 to the present, the temperature is warm twice as fast as the world and the Arctic three times as fast as the world.

00:07:48.720 Well, I was kind of suspicious. So along with Joseph Hickey, who's a PhD in physics,

00:07:54.900 he looked into the data back in 2021. It was kind of interesting. But I asked, huh, 1948,

00:08:01.260 is that a special year? Yes, it is. Because if you go back a little further, you find it in the early

00:08:06.580 1940s and 1930s, especially when we were in the Dust Bowl, it was warmer almost everywhere in

00:08:13.340 the Arctic. In fact, we know that from looking at the northern record. But even that is very

00:08:19.840 uncertain. I mean, it appears to have been warmer in that period. So you say, well, they say that

00:08:25.260 they only picked 1948 because before that, they didn't have good data. Well, I would say they

00:08:29.840 don't have good data even now. Because you take an area like the Northwest Territories,

00:08:35.900 that's twice the size of Texas. And they have, oh, something like 13 temperature sensing stations

00:08:42.320 in that region. But a lot of those stopped recording a decade or more ago. And if you

00:08:48.480 look at the record, Sheila, you'll notice they don't give just temperature. They call it the

00:08:53.500 adjusted homogenized temperature. Because in many cases, these temperature stations have been moved.

00:09:00.160 They've started to sense them at different times of the day. They've changed their instrumentation.

00:09:05.760 There's been all kinds of changes. And of course, there's big gaps at times. So what they've done

00:09:12.240 is they've adjusted them and they've homogenized them and done all sorts of fancy mathematical

00:09:16.880 techniques to try to figure out what the temperature trend has been. But the interesting

00:09:23.660 thing is that the Americans realized, oh, back in the late 1990s, that this approach was not good

00:09:29.180 enough. So starting in the year 2000, they started a completely new temperature sensing network

00:09:35.320 across the United States. In the continental part of the United States, the contiguous states,

00:09:40.360 They have 114 temperature sensing stations and these are pristine. They're a long way from urban heat islands. They have triple redundancy in the instrumentation. In other words, if one temperature sensor conks out, they still have two others, you know, and this kind of pristine network, they concluded, was necessary to determine climate trends.

00:10:01.500 so you know i always find it funny when can't when canada the environment and climate change

00:10:06.860 canada they say they have very high confidence those are the words they use that we've had

00:10:11.860 double the warming since 1948 in the in canada as a whole and triple in the arctic and yet if

00:10:19.060 you look at the arctic i just read sorry i just read a report that says it's warming four times

00:10:24.340 faster in the arctic now yeah so yeah well i don't think they really know and i think the americans

00:10:30.820 Yeah, the Americans obviously don't have any confidence in this kind of temperature record that is very inconsistent. As I say, if you're moving the temperature station around, it's going to make big changes. And because, as I say, if they didn't think if they did think, I should say, that the temperature record like Environment Canada has for the north.

00:10:50.060 And remember, the north of Canada is 40 percent of Canada.

00:10:54.020 OK, so we don't know what's going on there.

00:10:56.140 We don't have any confidence in the actual global average.

00:11:01.240 And so I think that, you know, if they thought that you could take this kind of a crappy record and just do mathematical tricks, they would never have built this pristine climate reference network.

00:11:11.940 Now, they have the measurements since 2000, and they show that for the continental United States, the contiguous states, there's no warming since the year 2000.

00:11:22.120 So Joseph Hickey, actually, he was a data scientist at the Bank of Canada.

00:11:27.600 And in 2001, he noticed something really interesting.

00:11:30.160 He was given the job, I believe, of figuring out economic impact of climate change.

00:11:34.640 So they expected him to use all the Environment Canada data.

00:11:38.180 It was Environment Canada in those days.

00:11:39.960 And he noticed that you had almost constant temperature for 50 years, from 1948 to 1998, and then there was a one-degree jump, and then we've had constant temperature ever since.

00:11:53.600 If you believe that it mattered, that Canada warmed, if you believe there was a Canada temperature, and if you believe their data, you still got this weird one-degree jump.

00:12:04.420 Now, if it was caused by greenhouse gas and environment and climate change Canada, you know, they're very confident about all this. They're saying it's by far the majority of it is caused by greenhouse gas warming. But greenhouse gas warming, since it's been increasing, you know, greenhouse gases have been increasing gradually would cause a gradual temperature rise.

00:12:24.600 you wouldn't see 50 years of constant temperature, a one degree jump, and then 26 years of constant

00:12:32.120 temperature. It just wouldn't do that. So Joseph Hickey has actually written a very good report

00:12:37.340 where he analyzes, you know, what's going on. And you find in places like Moncton, for example,

00:12:42.780 it's so distinct. You have two plateaus with a jump in between. And greenhouse gases just don't

00:12:49.420 do that but what does do that is something like el nino okay that's yeah that's the ocean

00:12:56.360 oscillation and in 1998 there was a very extreme el nino and you could see it all over the northern

00:13:01.780 hemisphere and it's interesting because the satellite record for canada friends of science

00:13:07.300 prepared a very nice graph friends of science they made this graph i included it in the slides i

00:13:11.740 showed you you can see the jump in 1998 so it appears that the jump is caused by el nino

00:13:18.100 Now, the next question then becomes, why has it stayed at that high level? Why didn't it fall back to the previous slope after El Nino was over? Well, it turns out the North Atlantic is in a warm phase of what you call the AMO. AMO stands for Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation. And that warm phase will probably end actually over the next few years.

00:13:41.680 So the higher temperature is probably being held at that higher temperature by the AMO.

00:13:47.700 And when it goes away, which it will, will enter into a cold phase fairly soon, it'll

00:13:52.480 be really interesting to see if the temperature drops back.

00:13:55.560 So they say they're highly confident about their temperature measurements, which is silly. 0.67

00:14:02.020 And they say that it's mostly caused by greenhouse gases, which is ridiculous.

00:14:06.640 us well and before we came on air i was talking about this little experiment that our friends

00:14:14.680 at friends of science did michelle sterling just to show people how bizarre it is to even refer to

00:14:23.540 something as the global average temperature tried to take the global average temperature in her

00:14:29.240 backyard and so she put out these uh thermometers and marked them with little stuffed animals one

00:14:37.300 was you know a polar bear because that's the symbol of climate change and one was the sasquatch

00:14:42.600 whatever and she just said you know you she showed like the wild variations in her own backyard

00:14:51.620 depending on where she took the temperature and that's in her backyard imagine trying to do that

00:14:56.740 across the entire Arctic when some of it is governed by proximity to, you know, the Hudson

00:15:05.340 Bay or the Beaufort Sea or whatever, that causes wild temperature changes versus inland in the

00:15:14.040 Arctic. And so it's just really an impossibility to even figure out what the average temperature

00:15:19.360 is, let alone say how far you're deviating from it. And then to attribute those deviations

00:15:25.600 to my SUV. There are some real leaps in logic happening. Well, right. And in fact,

00:15:32.360 the average temperature, it's really just a statistic. It really doesn't mean anything.

00:15:37.120 I mean, nobody lives in the average Canada. You know, there's no super being sort of straddling

00:15:42.040 Canada saying, oh, I feel hotter today. I feel colder. No, the only thing that matters is what

00:15:47.340 the temperatures do where you live. Okay. And, you know, I always find it intriguing that people

00:15:53.000 get so wrapped up in this average because michelle is completely right the average is silly

00:15:57.080 you can have i'll give you an example of how averages can completely blow blow you away

00:16:02.160 let's say you wanted your family to go on a diet so you took everybody's weight you got 120 pounds

00:16:07.980 160 180 200 and 800 800 like that's silly and yet if you took the average you'd end up with

00:16:17.120 something like 400 pounds and you say oh my god our family is 400 pounds heavy you know which is

00:16:23.020 silly no what happened is you had one outlier which completely it completely messed up the

00:16:28.300 average so the average doesn't mean anything so when you look at the arctic if you have just a 0.87

00:16:33.880 few outliers when they have such a sparse temperature network it can completely blow away

00:16:39.440 all of your averaging meaningfulness okay the other point is this let's say half the earth

00:16:45.380 or half of Canada, since they're dealing with Canada, let's say half of Canada got 10 degrees

00:16:49.940 warmer and half of Canada got 10 degrees colder. Well, that would cause massive pressure gradients.

00:16:56.620 You'd have incredible storms. It would be an absolute disaster. And yet the average temperature

00:17:02.000 would stay the same. So average temperatures just simply don't mean anything. And so we're

00:17:08.860 arguing about angels on the head of a pin, and then they're attributing it to some sort of magical

00:17:14.560 greenhouse gas that causes a one degree jump in one year and then constant the rest of the time. 0.85

00:17:20.500 So the whole thing is ludicrous. Now, the interesting thing is that Joseph Hickey discovered

00:17:25.220 this jump in 2021 when he worked for the Bank of Canada and Environment Canada never satisfactorily

00:17:32.240 addressed that. So you laugh, Sheila, this is such poetic justice. Joseph wouldn't get the COVID

00:17:38.900 vaccine and so they fired him so suddenly he had the freedom to tell everybody what he had been

00:17:45.500 discussing with environment and climate change canada inside the government because before that

00:17:49.880 he couldn't tell anybody he worked for the government um so he published a report in

00:17:54.160 december just passed in which he showed this boom boom you know and that's not caused by

00:18:00.060 greenhouse gas emissions so you know i really direct people to have a look at that on our

00:18:04.720 homepage we have you know climate data fraud or something like that i can't remember exactly it's

00:18:10.100 a box and you can click on it and read some of the articles that we've written about this thing

00:18:14.740 and um yeah so i think joseph you know as i say it's quite ironic that they would fire him the

00:18:22.040 last thing they should have done is fired the guy who knew that their data was bogus poetic poetic

00:18:28.600 justice and yet they still haven't answered yeah and and yet so many expensive job killing

00:18:38.980 policies are based around this flawed data including the phase out of coal and again before

00:18:45.960 we came on air we were talking about my interview with my friend Robbie Picard from a couple of

00:18:49.560 weeks ago where we were talking about the war on coal and he said uh sheepishly that he wished he

00:18:56.600 had come out swinging when the NDP were colluding with the federal government under Justin Trudeau

00:19:03.120 in Alberta to phase out our coal-fired generation early because now in retrospect all those same

00:19:11.040 arguments that were used against coal and continue to be used against coal are the same ones

00:19:15.740 attacking the oil sands and all the good Canadian jobs that come with it and hopefully things are

00:19:23.600 changing here in Alberta because our United Conservative Party adopted a policy resolution

00:19:29.200 to bring coal back online. In fact, they called it clean Alberta coal back online because it

00:19:35.620 really is. And we have the technology to make it even cleaner here, thanks to oil sands emissions

00:19:41.060 development. Yeah. Yeah. Coal is a wonderful technology. You know, one of the things that

00:19:46.260 people don't seem to realize is that it's also very, very secure. Okay. If you have a grid,

00:19:51.520 And if you have a grid that is based on coal, where you pile up a year's supply of coal right on the power plant site, all you have to do is shovel the coal into your boiler and make steam and make electricity.

00:20:03.440 You can do it. It doesn't matter if the rest of the world, you know, just falls to pieces.

00:20:08.100 If you don't have any pipelines, you still have coal.

00:20:10.840 OK, coal is a solid, dependable energy source, and we can actually pull out of the pollution, the emissions, all the serious pollutants.

00:20:19.640 OK, taking carbon, taking carbon dioxide. That's another story. I mean, first of all, you don't need to because there's no climate crisis.

00:20:29.400 CO2 is plant food. One of the few things that we've noticed for sure as CO2 rises, we've had a massive increase in crop yield, you know, plant productivity.

00:20:39.940 Deserts are shrinking. You know, it's a good thing that CO2 is rising.

00:20:43.200 And in fact, it's interesting that people that specialize in agriculture are saying, yeah, bring us more CO2.

00:20:49.640 Why do you think they pump it into greenhouses?

00:20:52.460 Because plants love it.

00:20:53.740 They evolved at a time when CO2 was much higher.

00:20:56.480 So coal is a really wonderful energy source.

00:20:59.840 And, you know, I've been on some of the reclamation sites where they do strip mining.

00:21:03.860 And I'll tell you, the reclamation sites, after they've finished with that region, they're better environmentally than the previous.

00:21:12.520 Yeah, they're better than all the surrounding landscape.

00:21:14.500 So the idea and, you know, an example of what happens when you totally get rid of coal is Ontario.

00:21:20.760 Ontario, back in 2002, when Dalton McGinty was premier, they had 25 percent of their energy from coal.

00:21:29.720 And we had among the cheapest electricity rates in the world.

00:21:33.280 Dalton McGinty held a press conference and he had a big pile of coal on a table and he said, this is an old technology.

00:21:39.360 We're going to get rid of it and leave the world in climate change, you know, stopping climate change.

00:21:44.500 But of course, he's wrong. It's not a technology. Coal is a resource. And how you burn it is what

00:21:49.720 is the technology. And generally speaking, in Canada, we burn it very cleanly in comparison

00:21:54.740 with China, let's say, who, by the way, are building two coal stations a week. So, but yeah,

00:22:01.480 we should keep coal. It's a very dependable energy source. Like nuclear, it keeps its energy

00:22:06.980 supply, the actual resource, it keeps it on site. And I love natural gas. I love petroleum,

00:22:13.360 that sort of thing. But those have to have some sort of input on a regular basis, either

00:22:18.080 types or trucks or whatever. But the beauty of coal, and you should use coal as a baseline energy

00:22:24.280 source, giving the predominant energy, and then you can top it up with gas and other things.

00:22:30.020 But coal is a baseline energy source. It's secure, it's solid, it's inexpensive, we have

00:22:35.260 enough for centuries. So the whole idea that we should get rid of coal is ludicrous. If you thought

00:22:41.440 that it was a problem for its greenhouse gas emissions and china's opening all these stations

00:22:46.700 and what we do doesn't matter anyway yeah i mean alberta has seven to eight hundred years of some

00:22:53.280 of the world's cleanest burning coal under our feet easily accessible if you were in the developing

00:22:58.380 world you would think we were out of our minds to leave it there well i know the head of the head 0.81

00:23:03.740 of indonesia he said point blank he said no he said we're not stupid we're going to continue to

00:23:09.920 use coal we're going to continue to develop pull our people out of poverty you know the developing

00:23:14.800 world which is now putting out more emissions than the rest of the developed world um they actually 0.63

00:23:20.680 they recognize the value of coal and they're booming you know china they constantly have

00:23:25.100 china leads the world in wind and solar power well yeah but they also lead the world in coal

00:23:29.780 by far and they make a lot of the renewable energy using coal right so yeah that's like saying the 0.79

00:23:38.740 americans lead the world in wearing nikes there's a lot of people in china so naturally they will

00:23:44.780 lead the world in consumption of a lot of things that's right so so you're right the they're using 0.98

00:23:50.420 this silly double the rate of the rest of the world the arctic triple they're using that argument

00:23:54.980 and the greenhouse gas blaming both of which don't make any sense they're using it to get

00:24:00.680 rid of some of our best and most reliable energy sources i put coal right at the top of the list

00:24:05.900 Same. Yeah. Same. I mean, there's no excuse for a place like Alberta having rolling brownouts when it gets really cold because we don't have a baseline reliable power supply.

00:24:20.100 And when the NDP got us off coal, they sure as hell didn't get us off coal.

00:24:25.900 They got us off Alberta coal jobs.

00:24:28.520 Because when we need reliable baseline energy, we have to buy coal-fired electricity from Saskatchewan, Montana, Wyoming.

00:24:37.940 The only thing that's changed is we're not producing our own energy anymore.

00:24:42.360 Well, that's exactly right.

00:24:43.360 In fact, in the blackout that we had two winters ago in Alberta, or near blackout,

00:24:48.220 near Saskatchewan coal Saskatchewan coal saved Alberta from having blackouts and you know the

00:24:54.520 funniest thing Sheila talking about renewable energy they were boasting oh we had all this

00:24:59.320 battery power and it came online and it provided you know power for so many hundred thousand homes

00:25:05.060 for 10 minutes right right right now Tom how do people find the work that you do

00:25:15.240 at the International Climate Science Coalition Canada?

00:25:18.900 How do they find your other media appearances?

00:25:21.280 Because you're really working hard to bring realism

00:25:26.500 to an otherwise fantastical and fictional debate.

00:25:31.740 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:25:33.440 The best thing is to go to icsc-canada.com

00:25:37.800 and we accept donations from people.

00:25:40.240 Of course, we have no funding from the government.

00:25:42.260 We have no funding from big industry, unfortunately.

00:25:44.660 when they say oh you're funded by big ol i say oh where do i apply i wish yeah exactly and uh so

00:25:51.720 so yeah little donations big donations whatever people want they're very much appreciated the

00:25:56.520 other thing is to go to americaoutloud.news and search under hosts and you can see tom harris

00:26:03.120 and you'll find our radio shows uh the other side of the story we interviewed chris martz it will be

00:26:09.680 online actually right now uh he was one of the he's a meteorologist who just graduated

00:26:14.700 and um he's been the target of a lot of uh you know climate alarmists and stuff like that so

00:26:20.660 he's a very brave guy you know so so america at loud.news click on that go down to to me and you

00:26:27.020 can actually hear my interview with chris martz that happened uh just this weekend wonderful i

00:26:32.140 like chris i remember chris fighting it out as just a young kid before he was off to university

00:26:40.960 like when he was in high school trying to you know bring some truth to the lies what a what a

00:26:48.560 brave kid he is now i guess he's a grown man that's how long i've been at this well i think he's only

00:26:53.400 about 22 23 but um yeah chris actually believe it or not they gave him a keynote speech at the

00:27:00.320 final dinner at the heartland conference i mean i think i would have been totally stressed out but

00:27:06.080 he just got up and said hi y'all so he's a brave guy funny well tom so are you thanks so much for

00:27:13.900 coming on the show and and for all the work that you do to try to alleviate some of the nonsense

00:27:20.780 and i think unnecessary anxiety around the climate debate i think it's got to be very difficult to

00:27:27.820 live in a world where you think it's going to end at any given moment and that you are responsible

00:27:32.580 for it. I just think that's a terrible sort of condition to inflict on people, but the powers

00:27:43.040 that be sure do. Yeah, that's for sure. Actually, Annika Sweetland, she's another one, the University

00:27:48.400 of Western Australia, she said in her presentation that the level of depression and anxiety among

00:27:56.720 young people in the UK has tripled since I think it was 2000 and doubled in the United States,

00:28:02.820 probably the same in Canada. So, I mean, it's a form of child abuse telling them the end of the

00:28:07.520 world is nigh because it isn't. Okay. And there's a lot of great things happening and we should take

00:28:13.120 advantage of that. Amen. Tom, thanks so much for coming on the show. We'll talk to you very soon.

00:28:18.340 Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

00:28:26.720 Well, as you know, friends, the last portion of the show belongs to you at home because without you, there's no rebel news. If you want to give me some viewer feedback about my interview with my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition, you can send it to me directly. My email is Sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know exactly why you're emailing me.

00:28:47.400 But if you see free clips of the show over on YouTube or Rumble, please leave a comment there. I do go looking there. But do that for all of our work for a couple of different reasons. First of all, I care about what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News.

00:29:01.480 but also when you interact with clips of the show or with our free video content, it puts us higher

00:29:11.060 up in the algorithm on YouTube or on Rumble. If our content is engaged with, they sort of

00:29:17.280 recommend it to more people. So that's a great free way to help us. And today's viewer feedback

00:29:23.440 actually doesn't come from any of the clips of the show or to my email inbox directly. I wanted

00:29:29.940 to know what you thought about my testimony at the House of Commons Heritage Committee. I was

00:29:36.780 invited by the Conservatives on Committee to give an overview of the state of independent journalism

00:29:45.860 in Mark Carney's Canada. And I was on a panel, I guess, not really a panel. I mean,

00:29:53.680 we're all separate witnesses with four other committee witnesses from the independent sphere

00:30:03.460 they aren't um because how are you independent if you take money from the government and so

00:30:10.960 the other four members of the committee were there asking for money and i was there pleading

00:30:18.960 with the government in the nicest possible way, to stop giving failing media organizations

00:30:24.640 our money, and to stop censoring independent journalists in unique and creative ways,

00:30:34.600 either through pieces of legislation like the Online News Act, the Streaming Act,

00:30:40.200 by using the tax code to provide subsidies specifically to outlets that are approved

00:30:53.840 by the government through the QCJO, that's the Qualified Canadian Journalism Organization

00:30:58.780 status, and to quit siccing security and police on independent journalists when they're just

00:31:10.020 trying to do their jobs in the streets because they are not allowed to go into certain venues

00:31:16.200 and to take away the power of the Parliamentary Press Gallery to block independent journalists

00:31:23.880 from working on Parliament Hill. In fact, let me be quiet. I'll show you a clip of that right here.

00:31:29.120 Journalism, I believe, encompasses opinions, but firsthand news gathering, analysis, investigation,

00:31:38.120 access to information,

00:31:39.520 but I also believe that it does involve opinion journalism.

00:31:44.240 Every major newspaper in this country has an editorial section,

00:31:47.180 and we would not call those people not journalists.

00:31:51.820 What I think distinguishes a lot of the truly independent

00:31:55.400 from government journalists in this country

00:31:57.840 is that they're honest about their political biases.

00:32:00.540 They don't try to obscure them the way we see at the CBC

00:32:04.600 or the Toronto Star.

00:32:05.980 So that's a little bit of my five minute opening statement. They only give you five minutes and then they ask you questions afterwards. Now I should tell you the liberals in the NDP didn't bother to ask me any questions. I don't think they would have wanted to pitch something right over the plate and have me hit it outside the park and embarrass them in that way.

00:32:30.140 the Conservatives were very concerned about the Parliamentary Press Gallery, a cabal of our

00:32:35.780 competitors who are funded by the taxpayer, blocking us from doing work on Parliament Hill.

00:32:41.640 And it's not just the Parliamentary Press Gallery, it is legislature press galleries all across this

00:32:45.680 country, except for Alberta. Now, that is not to say that the Legislature Press Gallery hasn't

00:32:51.860 had a witch trial for us and prevented us from joining, but we are accredited through the

00:32:57.240 Speaker's office around the Legislature Press Gallery. So they tried to block us and the

00:33:03.260 Speaker of the House said, that's not remotely fair. And if you want to work here, you can work

00:33:11.720 here. These people don't get to keep you out. So I don't need to sit in the Legislature Press

00:33:16.280 Gallery office with a bunch of people who don't like me anyway. Well, I would like to because it

00:33:20.300 would make them uncomfortable, but it doesn't stop me from doing my job. So I wanted to know

00:33:26.500 what you guys thought about my testimony. So I went looking on the YouTubes. And this is what

00:33:32.440 you guys had to say. Much Joy says you were outstanding, Sheila. Outstanding. Anthony

00:33:39.520 Fusciarelli says, Ezra, you must be so proud of your team. I know I am. Sheila is a rock star.

00:33:45.660 Well, thank you. I didn't tell anybody that I was going until I went because I was worried

00:33:50.820 that if the lefty lunatics on the internet found out that I was going, they would put pressure on

00:33:58.900 conservatives to cancel my committee appearance. So I sort of kept a lid on it. I worked and then

00:34:05.660 reworked and then re-reworked my opening statement because you only have five minutes and man,

00:34:11.220 it's bad out there for independent journalists. So I had to make sure that I was concise as

00:34:16.160 possible. And it's hard because there's a lot of things to talk about. We only get like this much

00:34:21.600 time. And thanks to the conservatives for inviting me. JLWY1PQ says, way to go, Sheila, hold them to

00:34:30.980 account. Yeah, I also knew that because of the liberal majority that they stole, that the 1.00

00:34:43.100 conservatives would lose the influence they have on these committees and the heritage committee

00:34:48.260 makeup will quickly be changing. And so I thought it's going to be a long time before they invite

00:34:54.100 somebody like me back around to these parts. So leave it all on the dance floor, as they say.

00:34:59.500 and i think i did i tried my best anyway user lc8 s z 2 l w 8 o says i enjoyed this report

00:35:14.700 wonderful to she's to see sheila at committee and sounding so strong well done well you know i i

00:35:21.100 talk about this stuff all the time and it's also not just my job here at rebel news to care about

00:35:26.200 the advancement of press freedom, but I am the president of the Independent Press Gallery of

00:35:31.720 Canada. And it is my mission to advance the rights of independent journalists in this country and to

00:35:38.980 make sure as best I can, that the government knows these concerns and to push back at any

00:35:47.500 at any place where I see that the government is impeding into press freedom. And as I said,

00:35:54.020 in my committee testimony press freedom in this country has fallen incredibly over the last 11

00:36:05.060 years guess what also happened in the last 11 years the liberals very petite t7k says thank

00:36:14.240 you sheila and rebel news well you're welcome bubbinski lord 5618 says sheila is amazing and

00:36:20.920 the whole rebel team I just want to say thank you and I appreciate the hard work you guys do

00:36:24.080 I sincerely mean that well um I appreciate your kind words but really I'm only able to do this

00:36:31.300 work because of you guys at home people watching this people subscribing to our work donating to

00:36:37.100 our causes um you guys are cheering for us to succeed and I think we must do everything we can

00:36:46.380 And because you are putting your hard-earned dollars toward us advancing causes that you care about.

00:36:53.080 And so while I appreciate you thanking me for this, I mean, thank you for making it possible to advocate for causes that I care about too.

00:37:03.560 I mean, I couldn't even imagine working in a normal newsroom talking about stuff I don't care about.

00:37:09.200 What a terrible existence.

00:37:11.880 I'm lucky.

00:37:12.560 on some level I feel slightly bad

00:37:15.020 for the other journalists in this country

00:37:16.500 Danny

00:37:18.680 Papa Dimitrio

00:37:20.160 7587 says

00:37:22.580 God bless you Sheila, Amen, well thanks so much

00:37:24.600 and Jonathan Hale

00:37:26.100 391 says

00:37:28.520 free speech, free press, no government funding

00:37:30.940 from your lips to God's ears brother

00:37:34.540 but that's not how the liberals feel about these things

00:37:37.240 and I know I should tell you

00:37:40.860 I'll give you a little bit, something that I know for sure, is that the American administration is watching what's happening in Canada very closely when it comes to the attacks on press freedom here.

00:38:00.040 and the censorship of american platforms like youtube and meta are trade issues for them

00:38:10.980 so if canada does become a more free place for independent journalists it won't be thanks to

00:38:19.500 the liberals it'll be thanks to pressure from the american administration okay well everybody

00:38:26.200 That's the show for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the

00:38:29.520 same time in the same place next week. And as always, don't let the government tell you that

00:38:33.880 you've had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - April 22, 2026

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tom Harris： Is Canada’s '2x warming' claim built on bad data？

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