SPECIAL： When climate change policies and carbon schemes crumble
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When climate change policies fail, what happens when carbon taxes and U.N. climate change agreements crumble? In this episode, Ezra talks with Mark Morano, founder of ClimateDepot, to ask the question: Are we actually losing the war on climate change?
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What happens when carbon tax schemes and U.N. climate change agreements crumble?
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It's July 5th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my
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Well, I've been following the global warming file since I was a youngster working as Preston
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Manning's legislative assistant way back in the 1990s when the Kyoto Protocol was being
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hammered out, and Preston Manning put up a principled and spirited defense, a rebuttal,
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Preston Manning later went on in life to endorse the carbon tax, I'm afraid to say.
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But over the course of 20-odd years, I have felt like the global warming mania has become
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Even politicians and journalists who know better went along with it for fear of being marginalized
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I thought it was pretty much a done deal, especially as conservative parties began to be infected
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Patrick Brown, the former Ontario PC leader, he supported the carbon tax wholeheartedly.
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Even Andrew Scheer, the federal conservative leader, says he's for reducing global warming
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It was depressing and things were getting worse, I thought, until the shocking election of Donald
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Trump and his even more startling appointment of Scott Pruitt to head the EPA.
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And I couldn't believe my eyes when Trump had a press conference announcing that he was withdrawing
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the United States from the United Nations Global Warming Conference Circuit, saying he was elected
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Perhaps following in Donald Trump's lead, Ontario voted for Doug Ford, an anti-carbon tax candidate,
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throwing out the consensus in Canada and putting Justin Trudeau's carbon tax scheme into question.
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Are we actually winning, even just a little bit?
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Has the pendulum gone as far as it would, and is it swinging back?
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Joining me now for the entire show today, a very special episode with our friend Mark
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I was with Preston Manning as he stood in Canada's parliament, and frankly, it was practically
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He was speaking to himself, really, railing against the Kyoto Protocol.
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He couldn't stop it, and for 20 years it seemed to march on.
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Donald Trump and Doug Ford, and I don't know, I just, I want to be able to hope a little bit.
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I don't want my hopes to be dashed, but I'm an optimist.
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And this is a very optimistic development in Canada.
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You know, one of the lessons you can take is what happened in Europe with the Czech Republic
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He stood up to the climate alarmist agenda the way Ford is now in Canada, and because
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we had someone standing up strongly and challenging and pushing back against the UN and all the
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green mandates, to this day the Czech Republic, even though he's out of office, has the highest
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skepticism of the countries in Europe because they had a leader willing to stand up.
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So the fact that in Canada now we have someone standing up to the carbon tax, upsetting California's
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governor, Jerry Brown, possibly affecting these carbon markets, is going to have a big effect
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because people are, it's a signal to other politicians that this isn't the death of your
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political career to stand up to the green agenda.
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In the United States, I would liken it to Senator Inhofe.
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He was the lone senator for years, for a decade, fighting the global warming battle.
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And suddenly other senators started joining him.
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It took Climategate scandal, really, in 2009 to start bringing other ones on.
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But once they put their toes in the water, they felt the water was great.
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So let's hope this spawns exactly what you're describing, a ground-up movement that starts
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I think it's also the difference between what we know is a fashionable thing to say and what
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people actually mean when policies start to come about.
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I mean, we've been taught for so long global warming.
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So when a pollster says, do you believe in global warming?
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It's just like, it's almost, if you were to say no to that, it would be like if the pollster
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But when people are told, OK, now are you ready to pay an extra 20 cents a liter for gas?
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I suppose Australia is another example of that, right?
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Because they actually brought in their carbon tax.
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And a whole bunch of Australians who probably told pollsters they loved it said, whoa, we
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Well, we find that same thing even in the United States with the polling data.
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They'll ask people, are you willing to fight global warming?
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And then they'll say, how much are you willing to pay to fight global warming?
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We've had surveys where it comes out to more than $5 a month, and the number of people willing
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to actually pay to fight global warming drops down into almost nothing.
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I mean, we have the Sierra Club now touting a study that says that because climate skepticism
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rose the last 10 years, that that proves that climate skeptics are racist.
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Because their skepticism rose during the time President Obama was trying to shove the UN
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Paris Agreement on America, cap and trade, all these other references, the global warming,
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turning our military into a climate fighting machine instead of the bad guy fighting machine.
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So because we oppose President Obama's efforts, and you ready for this, Ezra?
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And this is now being mainstreamed by the environmentalists.
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So you can imagine an American climate skeptic, when a pollster calls, somewhere in your mind,
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you're thinking, I better say I believe in global warming because they're going to label
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It's just, it's the way they intimidate people in these polling.
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And that's why what's happening in Canada now is so important, because you're finally
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getting the pushback that I think you've waited so long for.
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I think another thing is, when people say the sky's going to fall, and 20 years later, they're
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still saying that, and the sky hasn't fallen, they start to lose credibility, especially if
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they're always jetting around and going on luxury yachts like Leo DiCaprio or Al Gore.
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It's just, you know, you mentioned pollsters, or we both talked about pollsters.
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I'm reminded of the Pew Foundation, the Pew Research.
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They're pretty well regarded in terms of their methodology.
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They do lean liberal and Democrat, that's for sure.
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But once a year, they survey Americans, and they ask Americans unprompted to name their
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And jobs and the economy are almost always number one.
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Obviously, for a while there, terrorism and war was near the top.
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But almost invariably, when Americans are asked to proactively say what they're worried about
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their top issue, global warming is either at the bottom or right near the bottom.
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It's sort of getting everyone just to go through a boilerplate.
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Can I talk about what I'm really worried about?
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So I think the whole time we've been intimidated by a handful of official opinionators when, you
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know, no one ever really bought into it, I think.
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In fact, the Pew polls you're referring to, out of 20 issues, climate would come in 19 out
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And even more shocking, Ezra, in America, when Gallup asked their annual question about
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what are the greatest environmental issues facing America, environmental issues, not
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all issues, global warming would be dead last out of seven issues behind clean air, clean
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water, species threats, deforestation, et cetera.
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I mean, even among environmental issues, they couldn't gin up fear among Americans.
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So whenever you get any kind of pushback by a political leader, it's only going to increase
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that kind of feeling among Americans and Canadians.
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And as I mentioned, in Europe and Europeans as well, they need, people crave that kind of
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strong leadership to stand up to this because ultimately, and ultimately this is almost never
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And even the Trump administration has done this enough.
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But every policy to address climate change should be subject to a simple cost-benefit
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In other words, in the United States, for instance, the Obama administration, now I might be labeling
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myself a racist because I'm opposing something President Obama did.
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So therefore, if you're against the black man, according to the Sierra Club, we're now racist.
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He's claimed that we needed the EPA regulations because the storms were getting worse.
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If we now have an objective standard by which to address the closure of coal plants, going
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after fracking regulations, shutting down American economy and energy exploration, are
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storms going to get better if the EPA regulations are implemented?
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Not only would they not impact climate in any way, shape, or form, they wouldn't even impact
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So on a strictly cost-benefit analysis, you don't even have to talk about the science.
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And I'm sure the same exact thing is true of the Canadian carbon tax.
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There's no way that could affect weather, temperature, storms, and the same way because
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it could never affect global CO2 level from Canada.
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So they're selling us pure symbolism for real economic pain.
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So I tell Canadians the same thing I've told Americans.
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Just use a simple cost-benefit analysis and find out if these policies to fight climate change
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And you won't find a single one that's worth it.
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You know, you've said a lot of interesting things there, but my mind goes back to when
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you mentioned the Gallup poll, that even when you say, what's your most important environmental
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issue, severely normal people don't say, oh yeah, this puff of CO2 in the air is really
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They say, you know, if they're in Flint, Michigan, they probably say, can I have clean
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If they're, you know, in Colorado where the EPA, you know, messed up with a gold mine,
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they probably say, can I have clean rivers, you know, reforestation?
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And by the way, you can be right-wing and totally support that.
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It always irritated me that colorless, you know, harmless, non-toxic carbon dioxide that
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humans exhale was called pollution to begin with.
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Look, I, now that I think about it, I mean, I follow our environment minister up here, Catherine
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I think 90% of what she talks about is global warming.
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90% of her energy, 90% of her threats and plans and permits.
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And I got to say, if she wasn't so obsessed with that obscure, pointless symbolism, who
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Like, one of our large cities, the capital city of British Columbia, it's called Victoria,
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they just released their raw sewage right into the sea, untreated.
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The city of Montreal, second largest city in all of Canada.
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Every year they release billions, with a B, of leaders of untreated raw sewage right into
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So, I mean, if, and that's just gross, let alone unhealthy.
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I just can't believe that kind of stuff's happening to a wealthy nation in the 21st century.
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That should, yeah, that, those are the kind of real environmental problems we should be
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Well, and, but so much of her energy and focus and time and stress and planning and strategy
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We could actually probably use a real environment minister, because there are some real environmental
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But you've really made me think about, I'm going to look for that Gallup study, because
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But let's get, let's, this, I really appreciate what you were saying there.
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Let's, let's get back to the European Union, because we talked about how Donald Trump pulled
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That was Justin Trudeau's big international debut.
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Just weeks after he became prime minister, he flew to Paris with one of the largest entourage,
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in fact, I think he did have the largest entourage in the entire world.
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First of all, who wouldn't want to go to Paris?
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And second of all, this was his big debut as the opposite of Stephen Harper.
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I see on your website, climatedepot.com, that every single European Union country that signed
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on to the Paris Global Warming Treaty, every single one of them failed to meet their own
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They absolutely, this is the latest, this is actually the data that the No Trick Zone
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And they did a whole analysis of all the European nations.
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Interestingly enough, the United States has reduced our emissions almost by the total amount
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In other words, the US, which has bailed out of the Paris Agreement or is going to, remember,
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we don't actually take effect until after the next presidential election, because it's a
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Our emissions are doing so well compared to the countries that are actually virtue signaling
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So you don't have a single EU state member meeting their voluntary commitments.
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And keep in mind, the Paris Agreement, you could just write out a piece of paper, a scrap
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of paper and say, this is my Paris Agreement, mail it in.
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And the case of Pakistan, it said, we're going to try to reduce our emissions at some point
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I mean, there was some really silly commitments, voluntary commitments as part of this agreement.
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But even the virtue signaling, they can't meet these requirements.
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You have the United States, which is not in the treaty, succeeding beyond the wildest imagination
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And this is the reality of the UN Paris Agreement.
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It's virtue signaling, run amok, and total failure of the results of their intent or
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And it's funny to watch as Europe just, you know, if Europe points the finger at the United
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States as this evil villain, well, we're the only ones reducing our emissions and meeting
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You know, I know that there's an NGO called Can Europe that's ranked these EU states and
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23 out of 28 countries were rated poor or very poor.
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And you and I both know that America has reduced its emissions.
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Not that I believe that carbon dioxide is in any way pollution, but they've reduced them
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not through legislation or compulsion, but because fracking has made cheap, clean, plentiful
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natural gas, so, you know, ubiquitous that companies are switching to it just because
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It's that technological and entrepreneurial success of fracking.
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That's what's reduced American emissions, if you care about that, to 20, 30 year lows.
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But even, you know, it's funny in the United States, even the fracking industry, the natural
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gas industry gave money, $29 million to the Sierra Club to fight coal and to help during
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the Obama administration to help shut down coal.
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Even though fracking has done so well, they still gave money to the green groups to further
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So it just goes to show you, you know, even the good guys in this fight, which I would call
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the fracking natural gas people, the good guys, do horrible things.
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And they tried to enlist the services of the Sierra Club to further kick coal when it was
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And of course, Trump is trying his best now to reverse all that with Scott Crue it at EPA.
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And I've actually read all the articles in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, West Virginia.
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They're actually reopening coal mines now in places that we didn't think were possible a
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few years ago, given the trajectory of the Obama administration.
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And I think, well, if natural gas companies in America were paying the Sierra Club, and
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if the Sierra Club was taking money secretly to propagandize, you can only imagine how many
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foreign regimes, OPEC regimes, whether it's Venezuela or Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran, if
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if we've smoked out American corporations giving secret checks to the Sierra Club, we can only
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imagine the OPEC competitors that were trying to knock out fracking and American oil and
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And not only that, but we know there are willing people.
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I think it was Josh Fox who did the fracking film, Ed Begley Jr.
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They were approached with a scam, hidden undercover footage, James O'Keefe, this was about two
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years ago now, in Hollywood at L.A. restaurants.
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And the scam was they had a fake, essentially Middle Eastern prince of some kind or representing
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Middle Eastern interests in oil, approaching these anti-fracking activists saying, we would
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Can you, we want to get your message spread because it'll help us sell oil and it'll keep
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America from having, being our competitor and producing its own oil.
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And the undercover footage showed these celebrity activists willingly, being willing to accept
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this money and go along with these alleged Middle Eastern activists.
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So you know that they're willing, able and ready in Hollywood to accept that kind of money
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and that kind of lobbying from the Middle East.
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But I don't know, I don't have the actual evidence that the Middle East is diving money
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into the Hollywood community, but they did do that with the James O'Keefe video.
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It's entertaining to watch it, to watch these Hollywood celebrities perfectly willing to
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throw out American energy in order to keep us relying on dictators in the third world.
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We could have our own ethical oil from U.S., Canada and energy.
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It's a James O'Keefe video, undercover move video.
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It's very, very well done actually getting these people to believe that this is Middle
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Eastern interests wanting to shut down American fracking.
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We interviewed James O'Keefe about that and we showed extended clips.
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I mean, I have to say, I mean, I'm very familiar with the Arabic accent and I thought, oh my
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God, come on, don't tell me these guys are going to believe them.
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And they absolutely, they met again and again and they talked cash and they said, you got
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to keep the fact that we're OPEC, you got to keep that secret.
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And the Hollywood lefties went for it every time.
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Hey, I want to ask you about one more thing because you mentioned Doug Ford before and
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I'm pleased that you're aware of Doug Ford in the States because, I mean, obviously it's
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a big deal for Ontario, Canada's biggest province, and therefore it's a big deal for the rest
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And it marked the counter revolution on the carbon tax amongst conservatives.
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But I'm glad that you've heard about him in the States.
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And I want to read an article just a couple, a few days ago in the Daily Caller, which is
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And the headline is, Doug Ford is scrapping Ontario's climate taxes and Jerry Brown is
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And for Canadians who forget, Jerry Brown, the moonbeam Brown, he's the hippie dippy
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And he and Ontario and Quebec and some other far left, you know, governors and premiers
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And I hate the fact that a socialist like Jerry Brown tries to co-opt the word market because
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He's trying to co-opt the name and the language to make it seem like it's something legit.
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Anyways, let me read just a tiny bit of this article to you, and I'd like your thoughts
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California and Quebec moved quickly after the election to keep Ontario companies from dumping
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$2.8 billion worth of carbon dioxide allowances, which would depress prices.
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California's cap and trade system began operating in 2013.
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It was eventually linked to systems in Quebec and Ontario.
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Brown, that's Jerry Brown in California, signed legislation in 2017 to extend California's
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And not only is that a moral blow and a momentum blow and a psychological blow, but all these
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Ontario companies that bought these stupid credits like this pixie dust, they were immediately
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kicked out because they would want to sell this useless credits that no normal human would
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It's almost like someone's pulled out of this cult and everyone else says, no, come back
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In fact, here's what I would predict could happen here, using the United States as an example.
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The reason they're telling these companies don't pull out is because they believe there's
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still time to stop Ford from pulling out of this, from ending the carbon tax for one simple
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They might follow, and I expect them to follow, the Scott Pruitt EPA model.
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I expect Ford to be under unbelievable scrutiny.
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He has gone on the issue that they cannot allow a politician to do, to go against.
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So I would imagine in their minds, they're saying, we're probably going to get rid of this
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guy Ford before he can ever achieve what he's pledging to do.
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So don't pull out because we're going to get rid of him.
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I would expect ethics investigations, attacks, viciousness.
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They are not going to go down quietly on this because they realize if they allow Ford
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to get away with this, they're going to be facing a huge problem.
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And that's what's happened, you know, obviously with EPA chief Scott Pruitt in the U.S.,
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12 investigations, immediate drumbeat of just absolute silliness.
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One of the funniest being, oh, he made a couple phone calls to try to get his wife a job
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in Washington, Ezra, the horror of a cabinet member in Washington calling around to see
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I mean, they want to remove him from office for things that, you know, every other cabinet
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official you could probably find on travel expenses and everything else.
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But I expect Ford to be under intense, intense scrutiny beyond any other issue.
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He touched the issue that's going to bring the fight on him like he's probably never
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I mean, think about how much money is at stake in the whole green scam.
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And the thing is, if these carbon credits in this market were actually worth something,
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I mean, when you buy a soybean future or an oil future, there's actually a barrel of oil
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or a ton of soil or a bushel of soybeans behind it.
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It's like, I'll give you the right to do what you're already doing, burning gas, running
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So if someone pulls out and the market is proven to be baseless and fake, a sham, really.
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I mean, by comparison, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are as solid as the U.S. greenback.
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So of course, they're going to try and stop this.
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And you know what, Mark, remember that Doug Ford's brother, Rob, he had a lot of personal
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problems and substance abuse and other problems like that.
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The media and the lawyers and the establishment was so relentless trying to demonize him and
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So it's not just that Doug Ford's doing the right thing.
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It's that the entire media party establishment already hates the Fords and have already had
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Because he's got to have a lot of fun with this.
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I mean, you know, Donald Trump has been just brilliant in pushing back on this.
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One of my favorites, the other night Donald Trump, I think it was in Michigan, he gave
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a speech and he actually said the fake news media, meaning the mainstream media, knows that
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he's more successful than them, Donald Trump is.
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So, you know, my advice to Ford would be stand up, take it on.
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And the other thing Ford's got to be careful of, he's got to hire the right staff because
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you don't want traditional staff because not only will they turn against you because they'll
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be embarrassed thinking of their future career, but they're going to be mealy-mouthed and
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You need people that are going to stand up and push back along with and support what Ford's
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doing, not people who've been in this at a career and are going to be embarrassed by,
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And that's what we found many times, you know, even with the Trump administration, we're
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trying to root out some of the bad apples that, you know, you can see the people in
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there, though they become the leakers, they become the friends of the media.
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So Ford has a tough road ahead of him because he's taking on this issue so strongly.
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And they're not going to let him get away with it easily.
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But as you mentioned, he must know that from what they did to his brother.
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And great point about staff and careerists, too.
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I do feel a little bit of optimism for the first time in the whole global warming mania
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Obviously, it started with Trump and I didn't want to believe.
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But Donald Trump has been faithful on this issue and hopefully Doug Ford will be.
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And maybe one day Europe will come to its senses, too.
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And we'll look back on the trillion dollars or so that's being blown on this file and all
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And we'll think, my God, how could we have been so mad?
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Yes, I mean, this is a pivotal moment right now because I love what Donald Trump did during
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He turned it into the G6 summit when they came to the climate negotiations.
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The most important thing Ford can do, the most important thing Canada can do, the most
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important thing Trump can do, just stand up to it.
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Don't be intimidated because for decades that's how they've achieved their success, by intimidating
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people at all levels of government on this issue, the climate, the energy issue.
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We just need people with courage, first of all.
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You're now sprouting actual product and, you know, you're moving forward.
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And let's hope you guys follow the American way right now, the American path there, which
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is really pushed back strongly and needed against this whole climate energy establishment.
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There you have it, Mark Morano, the boss of ClimateDepot.com and our in-house expert.
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Well, you're not quite in-house, but it's like you're part of the Rebel family.
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I got to tell you, talking to Mark Morano for years, I've been talking to him for years,
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and it was always bad news until Donald Trump was elected president.
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And then I don't, I'm pinching myself, can it be real?
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Can it be real that he wants to dig for coal and drill for oil and export both and pulling
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I just don't even want to believe it's true, lest my heart be broken.
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Just on the road into Bethlehem, I'm looking at Palestinian homes on the hill, and it's
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It's one of the most, it's one of the things that stands out the most from this trip.
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This road leads to an area A, under the Palestinian authority.
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The entrance for Israeli citizens is forbidden, dangerous to your lives, and is against the
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Of all the places I've been, of all the countries that are divided about South Africa, where I
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think, imagine putting up a sign nowadays in South Africa, it would be, okay, no whites.
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That would be effectively what's happening in South Africa.
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And here you have a sign saying, no Israelis, in Bethlehem.
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It's an absolute madness to me that this used to be 95% Christians, and now it's 12%.
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And now you can have signs saying, if you're Israeli and you come here, it's a danger to
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On behalf of all of us here at The Rebel, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
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The Rebel, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.