Rebel News Podcast - SPECIAL： When climate change policies and carbon schemes crumble

00:00:00.000 Tonight, climate policies fail.

00:00:02.660 What happens when carbon tax schemes and U.N. climate change agreements crumble?

00:00:07.080 It's July 5th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:14.900 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:18.700 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:22.420 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:25.400 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:30.420 bloody right to do so.

00:00:35.900 Well, I've been following the global warming file since I was a youngster working as Preston

00:00:42.020 Manning's legislative assistant way back in the 1990s when the Kyoto Protocol was being

00:00:48.180 hammered out, and Preston Manning put up a principled and spirited defense, a rebuttal,

00:00:55.080 against signing that treaty.

00:00:57.520 Preston Manning later went on in life to endorse the carbon tax, I'm afraid to say.

00:01:02.120 But over the course of 20-odd years, I have felt like the global warming mania has become

00:01:09.400 irresistible.

00:01:11.040 Even politicians and journalists who know better went along with it for fear of being marginalized

00:01:17.460 as dinosaurs and cranks.

00:01:20.260 I thought it was pretty much a done deal, especially as conservative parties began to be infected

00:01:26.360 with this idea.

00:01:27.740 Patrick Brown, the former Ontario PC leader, he supported the carbon tax wholeheartedly.

00:01:34.540 Even Andrew Scheer, the federal conservative leader, says he's for reducing global warming

00:01:39.800 emissions, just not with the carbon tax.

00:01:42.100 He hasn't said how he'd do it.

00:01:43.980 It was depressing and things were getting worse, I thought, until the shocking election of Donald

00:01:50.320 Trump and his even more startling appointment of Scott Pruitt to head the EPA.

00:01:55.100 And I couldn't believe my eyes when Trump had a press conference announcing that he was withdrawing

00:02:01.200 the United States from the United Nations Global Warming Conference Circuit, saying he was elected

00:02:07.460 by Pittsburgh, not by Paris.

00:02:10.540 Well, the winds keep racking up.

00:02:12.860 Perhaps following in Donald Trump's lead, Ontario voted for Doug Ford, an anti-carbon tax candidate,

00:02:22.060 throwing out the consensus in Canada and putting Justin Trudeau's carbon tax scheme into question.

00:02:29.740 Are we actually winning, even just a little bit?

00:02:33.900 Has the pendulum gone as far as it would, and is it swinging back?

00:02:38.560 Joining me now for the entire show today, a very special episode with our friend Mark

00:02:43.060 Morano from ClimateDepot.com.

00:02:45.660 Mark, great to see you again.

00:02:47.760 Thank you, Ezra.

00:02:48.540 Happy to be here today.

00:02:49.580 You know what?

00:02:50.400 I'm used to 20 years of losing on this file.

00:02:54.420 I was with Preston Manning as he stood in Canada's parliament, and frankly, it was practically

00:03:01.380 empty.

00:03:01.820 He was speaking to himself, really, railing against the Kyoto Protocol.

00:03:06.860 He couldn't stop it, and for 20 years it seemed to march on.

00:03:10.940 Donald Trump and Doug Ford, and I don't know, I just, I want to be able to hope a little bit.

00:03:17.280 I don't want my hopes to be dashed, but I'm an optimist.

00:03:19.960 And this is a very optimistic development in Canada.

00:03:26.000 You know, one of the lessons you can take is what happened in Europe with the Czech Republic

00:03:31.440 with Václav Klaas.

00:03:33.860 He stood up to the climate alarmist agenda the way Ford is now in Canada, and because

00:03:42.900 we had someone standing up strongly and challenging and pushing back against the UN and all the

00:03:47.740 green mandates, to this day the Czech Republic, even though he's out of office, has the highest

00:03:52.580 skepticism of the countries in Europe because they had a leader willing to stand up.

00:03:57.340 So the fact that in Canada now we have someone standing up to the carbon tax, upsetting California's

00:04:03.720 governor, Jerry Brown, possibly affecting these carbon markets, is going to have a big effect

00:04:08.920 because people are, it's a signal to other politicians that this isn't the death of your

00:04:12.840 political career to stand up to the green agenda.

00:04:15.680 In the United States, I would liken it to Senator Inhofe.

00:04:19.440 He was the lone senator for years, for a decade, fighting the global warming battle.

00:04:24.740 And suddenly other senators started joining him.

00:04:27.460 It took Climategate scandal, really, in 2009 to start bringing other ones on.

00:04:32.020 But once they put their toes in the water, they felt the water was great.

00:04:35.920 So let's hope this spawns exactly what you're describing, a ground-up movement that starts

00:04:41.720 spreading.

00:04:42.320 It's OK to be against carbon taxes.

00:04:44.720 It's OK to oppose the climate agenda.

00:04:47.800 Yeah.

00:04:48.120 I think it's also the difference between what we know is a fashionable thing to say and what

00:04:55.140 people actually mean when policies start to come about.

00:04:59.800 I mean, we've been taught for so long global warming.

00:05:03.400 So when a pollster says, do you believe in global warming?

00:05:07.360 Yes.

00:05:07.720 We know the answer is to say, yeah.

00:05:09.120 It's just like, it's almost, if you were to say no to that, it would be like if the pollster

00:05:13.900 said, do you believe in litter, in littering?

00:05:16.980 I mean, that's how socially odious it is.

00:05:20.700 But when people are told, OK, now are you ready to pay an extra 20 cents a liter for gas?

00:05:26.780 They freak out.

00:05:28.360 I suppose Australia is another example of that, right?

00:05:30.820 Because they actually brought in their carbon tax.

00:05:33.740 And a whole bunch of Australians who probably told pollsters they loved it said, whoa, we

00:05:38.420 didn't think you were serious.

00:05:40.300 And they repealed the tax.

00:05:42.860 So I guess there's a precedent, too.

00:05:44.720 That just felt so far away.

00:05:46.620 Maybe it wasn't an anomaly.

00:05:48.880 Well, we find that same thing even in the United States with the polling data.

00:05:52.380 They'll ask people, are you willing to fight global warming?

00:05:55.340 And they're like, oh, absolutely.

00:05:56.540 And then they'll say, how much are you willing to pay to fight global warming?

00:06:00.120 We've had surveys where it comes out to more than $5 a month, and the number of people willing

00:06:06.000 to actually pay to fight global warming drops down into almost nothing.

00:06:11.940 So it is exactly what you're saying.

00:06:13.740 It's a virtue signaling of the pollster.

00:06:15.860 And why not?

00:06:16.740 I mean, we have the Sierra Club now touting a study that says that because climate skepticism

00:06:21.680 rose the last 10 years, that that proves that climate skeptics are racist.

00:06:27.900 Why, you ask?

00:06:28.920 Because their skepticism rose during the time President Obama was trying to shove the UN

00:06:34.540 Paris Agreement on America, cap and trade, all these other references, the global warming,

00:06:39.580 turning our military into a climate fighting machine instead of the bad guy fighting machine.

00:06:45.280 So because we oppose President Obama's efforts, and you ready for this, Ezra? 0.97

00:06:50.120 Because President Obama happens to be black. 0.99

00:06:52.640 That's why climate skeptics are racist. 0.99

00:06:54.840 And this is now being mainstreamed by the environmentalists.

00:06:57.340 So you can imagine an American climate skeptic, when a pollster calls, somewhere in your mind,

00:07:02.800 you're thinking, I better say I believe in global warming because they're going to label

00:07:05.660 me racist.

00:07:06.380 It's just, it's the way they intimidate people in these polling.

00:07:09.820 And that's why what's happening in Canada now is so important, because you're finally

00:07:13.520 getting the pushback that I think you've waited so long for.

00:07:16.180 I think another thing is, when people say the sky's going to fall, and 20 years later, they're

00:07:24.040 still saying that, and the sky hasn't fallen, they start to lose credibility, especially if

00:07:28.280 they're always jetting around and going on luxury yachts like Leo DiCaprio or Al Gore.

00:07:32.980 It's just, you know, you mentioned pollsters, or we both talked about pollsters.

00:07:38.020 I'm reminded of the Pew Foundation, the Pew Research.

00:07:43.360 They're pretty well regarded in terms of their methodology.

00:07:46.800 They do lean liberal and Democrat, that's for sure.

00:07:50.080 But I more or less trust them.

00:07:51.480 You know who I'm talking about?

00:07:52.880 They're well regarded pollsters.

00:07:55.120 But once a year, they survey Americans, and they ask Americans unprompted to name their

00:08:02.180 top policy issue that they're worried about.

00:08:05.340 And jobs and the economy are almost always number one.

00:08:08.800 Obviously, for a while there, terrorism and war was near the top.

00:08:14.660 But almost invariably, when Americans are asked to proactively say what they're worried about

00:08:22.980 their top issue, global warming is either at the bottom or right near the bottom.

00:08:29.320 It's just not a real thing.

00:08:31.000 It's sort of getting everyone just to go through a boilerplate.

00:08:35.180 Yes, yes, I believe in global warming now.

00:08:37.040 Can I talk about what I'm really worried about?

00:08:38.580 So I think the whole time we've been intimidated by a handful of official opinionators when, you

00:08:45.220 know, no one ever really bought into it, I think.

00:08:48.780 Absolutely.

00:08:49.440 In fact, the Pew polls you're referring to, out of 20 issues, climate would come in 19 out

00:08:55.040 of 20 or 20 out of 20, dead last.

00:08:57.760 And even more shocking, Ezra, in America, when Gallup asked their annual question about

00:09:03.040 what are the greatest environmental issues facing America, environmental issues, not

00:09:08.560 all issues, global warming would be dead last out of seven issues behind clean air, clean

00:09:13.280 water, species threats, deforestation, et cetera.

00:09:17.940 I mean, even among environmental issues, they couldn't gin up fear among Americans.

00:09:22.580 So whenever you get any kind of pushback by a political leader, it's only going to increase

00:09:30.640 that kind of feeling among Americans and Canadians.

00:09:34.000 And as I mentioned, in Europe and Europeans as well, they need, people crave that kind of

00:09:39.200 strong leadership to stand up to this because ultimately, and ultimately this is almost never

00:09:44.760 done in public life.

00:09:45.660 And even the Trump administration has done this enough.

00:09:47.440 But every policy to address climate change should be subject to a simple cost-benefit

00:09:52.860 analysis.

00:09:53.460 In other words, in the United States, for instance, the Obama administration, now I might be labeling

00:09:57.660 myself a racist because I'm opposing something President Obama did. 0.98

00:10:00.840 And by the way, he's black. 0.95

00:10:01.880 So therefore, if you're against the black man, according to the Sierra Club, we're now racist. 0.98

00:10:06.080 He's claimed that we needed the EPA regulations because the storms were getting worse.

00:10:11.180 Okay, fair enough.

00:10:12.080 If we now have an objective standard by which to address the closure of coal plants, going

00:10:17.060 after fracking regulations, shutting down American economy and energy exploration, are

00:10:22.340 storms going to get better if the EPA regulations are implemented?

00:10:26.340 So we looked at that.

00:10:27.300 We looked at the EPA's own numbers.

00:10:29.020 Not only would they not impact climate in any way, shape, or form, they wouldn't even impact

00:10:32.860 global emissions.

00:10:33.780 So on a strictly cost-benefit analysis, you don't even have to talk about the science.

00:10:38.060 These measures fail completely.

00:10:40.180 And I'm sure the same exact thing is true of the Canadian carbon tax.

00:10:44.020 There's no way that could affect weather, temperature, storms, and the same way because

00:10:49.000 it could never affect global CO2 level from Canada.

00:10:51.740 That's the bottom line.

00:10:52.940 So they're selling us pure symbolism for real economic pain.

00:10:57.260 So I tell Canadians the same thing I've told Americans.

00:11:00.440 Just use a simple cost-benefit analysis and find out if these policies to fight climate change

00:11:06.660 are actually worth it.

00:11:07.680 And you won't find a single one that's worth it.

00:11:09.620 You know, you've said a lot of interesting things there, but my mind goes back to when

00:11:13.980 you mentioned the Gallup poll, that even when you say, what's your most important environmental

00:11:17.940 issue, severely normal people don't say, oh yeah, this puff of CO2 in the air is really

00:11:23.140 bugging me.

00:11:23.840 They say, you know, if they're in Flint, Michigan, they probably say, can I have clean

00:11:27.060 drinking water?

00:11:28.260 If they're, you know, in Colorado where the EPA, you know, messed up with a gold mine,

00:11:33.760 they probably say, can I have clean rivers, you know, reforestation?

00:11:37.020 Those are real things.

00:11:38.700 And by the way, you can be right-wing and totally support that.

00:11:42.540 I mean, I don't like smog.

00:11:44.060 I don't like actual pollution.

00:11:46.000 It always irritated me that colorless, you know, harmless, non-toxic carbon dioxide that

00:11:53.160 humans exhale was called pollution to begin with.

00:11:56.220 But my point is this, Mark.

00:11:58.220 Look, I, now that I think about it, I mean, I follow our environment minister up here, Catherine

00:12:04.120 McKenna, fairly closely.

00:12:05.260 I follow what she says.

00:12:06.980 I think 90% of what she talks about is global warming.

00:12:12.340 90% of her energy, 90% of her threats and plans and permits.

00:12:17.780 And I got to say, if she wasn't so obsessed with that obscure, pointless symbolism, who

00:12:26.060 knows what she would be able to accomplish?

00:12:27.920 Like, one of our large cities, the capital city of British Columbia, it's called Victoria,

00:12:32.660 they just released their raw sewage right into the sea, untreated.

00:12:36.940 The city of Montreal, second largest city in all of Canada.

00:12:40.260 Every year they release billions, with a B, of leaders of untreated raw sewage right into

00:12:46.320 the St. Lawrence Seaway.

00:12:47.740 So, I mean, if, and that's just gross, let alone unhealthy.

00:12:50.960 They say, don't go near the water.

00:12:52.000 I just can't believe that kind of stuff's happening to a wealthy nation in the 21st century.

00:12:56.000 That should, yeah, that, those are the kind of real environmental problems we should be

00:12:59.600 focusing on.

00:13:00.760 Well, and, but so much of her energy and focus and time and stress and planning and strategy

00:13:07.460 is on this useless stuff.

00:13:09.120 We could actually probably use a real environment minister, because there are some real environmental

00:13:13.880 things to deal with.

00:13:14.780 But you've really made me think about, I'm going to look for that Gallup study, because

00:13:19.440 you've really got me interested in that.

00:13:21.600 But let's get, let's, this, I really appreciate what you were saying there.

00:13:24.640 Let's, let's get back to the European Union, because we talked about how Donald Trump pulled

00:13:29.660 America out of the UN global warming scheme.

00:13:32.820 That was Justin Trudeau's big international debut.

00:13:36.160 Just weeks after he became prime minister, he flew to Paris with one of the largest entourage,

00:13:43.260 in fact, I think he did have the largest entourage in the entire world.

00:13:48.680 First of all, who wouldn't want to go to Paris?

00:13:51.000 And second of all, this was his big debut as the opposite of Stephen Harper.

00:13:55.020 I see on your website, climatedepot.com, that every single European Union country that signed

00:14:04.120 on to the Paris Global Warming Treaty, every single one of them failed to meet their own

00:14:10.480 standards.

00:14:11.220 Even they didn't mean it.

00:14:13.100 They absolutely, this is the latest, this is actually the data that the No Trick Zone

00:14:20.820 website came up with.

00:14:21.980 And they did a whole analysis of all the European nations.

00:14:26.120 Interestingly enough, the United States has reduced our emissions almost by the total amount

00:14:31.180 of Germany's emissions.

00:14:32.880 In other words, the US, which has bailed out of the Paris Agreement or is going to, remember,

00:14:37.240 we don't actually take effect until after the next presidential election, because it's a

00:14:40.700 long process to withdraw.

00:14:42.620 Our emissions are doing so well compared to the countries that are actually virtue signaling

00:14:48.300 and acting.

00:14:48.900 So you don't have a single EU state member meeting their voluntary commitments.

00:14:53.940 And keep in mind, the Paris Agreement, you could just write out a piece of paper, a scrap

00:14:58.340 of paper and say, this is my Paris Agreement, mail it in.

00:15:01.280 And the case of Pakistan, it said, we're going to try to reduce our emissions at some point 1.00

00:15:06.560 in the future to some uncertain level.

00:15:08.360 I mean, there was some really silly commitments, voluntary commitments as part of this agreement.

00:15:14.100 It's all virtue signaling.

00:15:15.400 But even the virtue signaling, they can't meet these requirements.

00:15:19.680 So you have all of Europe failing.

00:15:21.360 You have the United States, which is not in the treaty, succeeding beyond the wildest imagination

00:15:26.800 that they could have.

00:15:28.220 And this is the reality of the UN Paris Agreement.

00:15:30.840 It's virtue signaling, run amok, and total failure of the results of their intent or

00:15:36.920 their intended state, their stated intent.

00:15:40.040 And it's funny to watch as Europe just, you know, if Europe points the finger at the United

00:15:44.940 States as this evil villain, well, we're the only ones reducing our emissions and meeting

00:15:50.340 these requirements.

00:15:51.280 Yeah.

00:15:51.440 You know, I know that there's an NGO called Can Europe that's ranked these EU states and

00:15:57.560 23 out of 28 countries were rated poor or very poor.

00:16:02.740 And you and I both know that America has reduced its emissions.

00:16:06.040 Not that I believe that carbon dioxide is in any way pollution, but they've reduced them

00:16:10.840 not through legislation or compulsion, but because fracking has made cheap, clean, plentiful

00:16:15.720 natural gas, so, you know, ubiquitous that companies are switching to it just because

00:16:20.820 it's cheap.

00:16:21.720 It's that technological and entrepreneurial success of fracking.

00:16:28.080 That's what's reduced American emissions, if you care about that, to 20, 30 year lows.

00:16:35.720 It is.

00:16:36.600 But even, you know, it's funny in the United States, even the fracking industry, the natural

00:16:40.200 gas industry gave money, $29 million to the Sierra Club to fight coal and to help during

00:16:46.480 the Obama administration to help shut down coal.

00:16:49.240 Even though fracking has done so well, they still gave money to the green groups to further

00:16:55.060 obliterate their competition coal.

00:16:57.040 So it just goes to show you, you know, even the good guys in this fight, which I would call

00:17:01.040 the fracking natural gas people, the good guys, do horrible things.

00:17:04.460 And they tried to enlist the services of the Sierra Club to further kick coal when it was

00:17:10.800 down.

00:17:11.500 And of course, Trump is trying his best now to reverse all that with Scott Crue it at EPA.

00:17:15.920 And I've actually read all the articles in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, West Virginia.

00:17:19.820 They're actually reopening coal mines now in places that we didn't think were possible a

00:17:25.300 few years ago, given the trajectory of the Obama administration.

00:17:28.720 Yeah, you're right.

00:17:29.740 It is amazing.

00:17:31.840 And I think, well, if natural gas companies in America were paying the Sierra Club, and

00:17:38.620 if the Sierra Club was taking money secretly to propagandize, you can only imagine how many

00:17:44.400 foreign regimes, OPEC regimes, whether it's Venezuela or Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran, if

00:17:53.140 if we've smoked out American corporations giving secret checks to the Sierra Club, we can only

00:18:00.120 imagine the OPEC competitors that were trying to knock out fracking and American oil and

00:18:06.500 Canadian oil and gas.

00:18:07.800 And they were quite successful up here, too.

00:18:11.060 Yeah.

00:18:11.260 And not only that, but we know there are willing people.

00:18:13.600 I think it was Josh Fox who did the fracking film, Ed Begley Jr.

00:18:17.620 They were approached with a scam, hidden undercover footage, James O'Keefe, this was about two

00:18:23.580 years ago now, in Hollywood at L.A. restaurants.

00:18:27.160 And the scam was they had a fake, essentially Middle Eastern prince of some kind or representing

00:18:33.500 Middle Eastern interests in oil, approaching these anti-fracking activists saying, we would

00:18:38.740 give you money.

00:18:39.600 Can you, we want to get your message spread because it'll help us sell oil and it'll keep

00:18:43.680 America from having, being our competitor and producing its own oil.

00:18:47.740 And the undercover footage showed these celebrity activists willingly, being willing to accept

00:18:53.940 this money and go along with these alleged Middle Eastern activists.

00:18:57.420 It was very funny.

00:18:58.500 So you know that they're willing, able and ready in Hollywood to accept that kind of money

00:19:03.020 and that kind of lobbying from the Middle East.

00:19:06.340 But I don't know, I don't have the actual evidence that the Middle East is diving money

00:19:10.380 into the Hollywood community, but they did do that with the James O'Keefe video.

00:19:13.560 It's entertaining to watch it, to watch these Hollywood celebrities perfectly willing to

00:19:18.100 throw out American energy in order to keep us relying on dictators in the third world. 0.96

00:19:23.980 As you like to say, ethical oil.

00:19:26.100 We could have our own ethical oil from U.S., Canada and energy.

00:19:29.600 Instead, they want to keep us on that.

00:19:31.180 So they actually have it on Facebook.

00:19:32.500 So listeners, they want to look that up.

00:19:34.120 It's a James O'Keefe video, undercover move video.

00:19:38.120 It's very, very well done actually getting these people to believe that this is Middle

00:19:42.020 Eastern interests wanting to shut down American fracking.

00:19:44.820 Yeah.

00:19:45.060 I remember that.

00:19:45.900 We interviewed James O'Keefe about that and we showed extended clips.

00:19:48.860 It was quite something.

00:19:49.720 I mean, I have to say, I mean, I'm very familiar with the Arabic accent and I thought, oh my

00:19:54.440 God, come on, don't tell me these guys are going to believe them.

00:19:58.160 And they absolutely, they met again and again and they talked cash and they said, you got

00:20:03.580 to keep the fact that we're OPEC, you got to keep that secret.

00:20:06.720 I thought, no, come on, that's too blatant.

00:20:10.540 And the Hollywood lefties went for it every time.

00:20:13.680 Hey, I want to ask you about one more thing because you mentioned Doug Ford before and

00:20:17.080 I'm pleased that you're aware of Doug Ford in the States because, I mean, obviously it's

00:20:21.440 a big deal for Ontario, Canada's biggest province, and therefore it's a big deal for the rest

00:20:25.460 of the country.

00:20:26.280 And it marked the counter revolution on the carbon tax amongst conservatives.

00:20:31.880 But I'm glad that you've heard about him in the States.

00:20:33.760 And I want to read an article just a couple, a few days ago in the Daily Caller, which is

00:20:41.100 an excellent website.

00:20:42.200 They're very strong on energy issues.

00:20:45.020 And the headline is, Doug Ford is scrapping Ontario's climate taxes and Jerry Brown is

00:20:49.820 not happy.

00:20:50.600 And for Canadians who forget, Jerry Brown, the moonbeam Brown, he's the hippie dippy

00:20:57.420 governor of California.

00:20:59.420 And he and Ontario and Quebec and some other far left, you know, governors and premiers

00:21:07.140 had this cap and trade market.

00:21:10.400 And I hate the fact that a socialist like Jerry Brown tries to co-opt the word market because

00:21:16.340 he doesn't believe in the free market.

00:21:18.140 He's trying to co-opt the name and the language to make it seem like it's something legit.

00:21:22.240 Anyways, let me read just a tiny bit of this article to you, and I'd like your thoughts

00:21:28.880 on it.

00:21:31.520 California and Quebec moved quickly after the election to keep Ontario companies from dumping

00:21:39.220 $2.8 billion worth of carbon dioxide allowances, which would depress prices.

00:21:44.740 California's cap and trade system began operating in 2013.

00:21:47.520 It was eventually linked to systems in Quebec and Ontario.

00:21:51.380 Brown, that's Jerry Brown in California, signed legislation in 2017 to extend California's

00:21:57.460 cap and trade system through 2030.

00:21:59.860 So Ontario's pulled out.

00:22:02.080 And not only is that a moral blow and a momentum blow and a psychological blow, but all these 0.99

00:22:07.400 Ontario companies that bought these stupid credits like this pixie dust, they were immediately 1.00

00:22:13.060 kicked out because they would want to sell this useless credits that no normal human would 1.00

00:22:17.920 buy. 0.70

00:22:18.820 It's almost like someone's pulled out of this cult and everyone else says, no, come back

00:22:23.960 in.

00:22:24.460 Come back in.

00:22:24.980 Can no one else leave?

00:22:25.760 That's how it looks like to me.

00:22:26.920 Someone leaving a cult.

00:22:29.360 Yeah.

00:22:29.600 In fact, here's what I would predict could happen here, using the United States as an example.

00:22:35.000 The reason they're telling these companies don't pull out is because they believe there's

00:22:39.260 still time to stop Ford from pulling out of this, from ending the carbon tax for one simple

00:22:44.480 reason.

00:22:44.800 They might follow, and I expect them to follow, the Scott Pruitt EPA model.

00:22:49.480 I expect Ford to be under unbelievable scrutiny.

00:22:52.900 He is a heretic.

00:22:54.360 He has gone on the issue that they cannot allow a politician to do, to go against.

00:23:00.680 So I would imagine in their minds, they're saying, we're probably going to get rid of this

00:23:04.200 guy Ford before he can ever achieve what he's pledging to do.

00:23:07.540 So don't pull out because we're going to get rid of him.

00:23:09.680 I would expect ethics investigations, attacks, viciousness.

00:23:14.040 They are not going to go down quietly on this because they realize if they allow Ford

00:23:18.520 to get away with this, they're going to be facing a huge problem.

00:23:21.360 And that's what's happened, you know, obviously with EPA chief Scott Pruitt in the U.S.,

00:23:25.100 12 investigations, immediate drumbeat of just absolute silliness.

00:23:29.960 One of the funniest being, oh, he made a couple phone calls to try to get his wife a job

00:23:34.420 in Washington, Ezra, the horror of a cabinet member in Washington calling around to see

00:23:40.180 if he can get a family member a job.

00:23:42.740 I mean, they want to remove him from office for things that, you know, every other cabinet

00:23:48.140 official you could probably find on travel expenses and everything else.

00:23:51.880 And luckily, Pruitt is staying strong.

00:23:54.740 But I expect Ford to be under intense, intense scrutiny beyond any other issue.

00:24:00.580 He touched the issue that's going to bring the fight on him like he's probably never

00:24:04.900 experienced in his political life.

00:24:06.500 Well, you're exactly right.

00:24:07.480 I mean, think about how much money is at stake in the whole green scam. 0.84

00:24:10.580 And the thing is, if these carbon credits in this market were actually worth something,

00:24:15.960 someone else would buy it.

00:24:17.200 I mean, when you buy a soybean future or an oil future, there's actually a barrel of oil

00:24:23.520 or a ton of soil or a bushel of soybeans behind it.

00:24:26.520 But there's nothing behind a CO2 credit.

00:24:29.000 It's like, I'll give you the right to do what you're already doing, burning gas, running

00:24:35.180 your factory, whatever.

00:24:36.480 So if someone pulls out and the market is proven to be baseless and fake, a sham, really.

00:24:44.600 I mean, by comparison, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are as solid as the U.S. greenback.

00:24:52.940 There's billions of dollars at stake.

00:24:54.520 So of course, they're going to try and stop this.

00:24:56.020 And you know what, Mark, remember that Doug Ford's brother, Rob, he had a lot of personal

00:25:03.700 problems and substance abuse and other problems like that.

00:25:06.920 The media and the lawyers and the establishment was so relentless trying to demonize him and

00:25:13.420 sue him and drive him out. 0.99

00:25:15.220 So it's not just that Doug Ford's doing the right thing.

00:25:19.860 It's that the entire media party establishment already hates the Fords and have already had

00:25:26.860 a test run on his late brother.

00:25:30.240 Yeah.

00:25:30.780 I mean, he's your Donald Trump at the moment.

00:25:33.220 And that's a good thing.

00:25:34.620 So the question is, how strong is he?

00:25:37.000 How creative is he?

00:25:39.880 Because he's got to have a lot of fun with this.

00:25:41.400 I mean, you know, Donald Trump has been just brilliant in pushing back on this.

00:25:46.460 One of my favorites, the other night Donald Trump, I think it was in Michigan, he gave

00:25:49.740 a speech and he actually said the fake news media, meaning the mainstream media, knows that

00:25:55.340 he's more successful than them, Donald Trump is.

00:25:57.740 He's smarter than them.

00:25:59.520 And, you know, and they're jealous of him.

00:26:01.560 Basically, he just rubs it in their faces.

00:26:03.760 He doesn't care an ounce what they say or do.

00:26:06.700 So, you know, my advice to Ford would be stand up, take it on.

00:26:11.320 And the other thing Ford's got to be careful of, he's got to hire the right staff because

00:26:14.980 you don't want traditional staff because not only will they turn against you because they'll

00:26:19.560 be embarrassed thinking of their future career, but they're going to be mealy-mouthed and

00:26:23.220 weak to the media.

00:26:24.280 You need people that are going to stand up and push back along with and support what Ford's

00:26:29.320 doing, not people who've been in this at a career and are going to be embarrassed by,

00:26:33.000 you know, some of his actions or his policies.

00:26:35.240 And that's what we found many times, you know, even with the Trump administration, we're

00:26:38.760 trying to root out some of the bad apples that, you know, you can see the people in

00:26:42.340 there, though they become the leakers, they become the friends of the media.

00:26:45.760 So Ford has a tough road ahead of him because he's taking on this issue so strongly.

00:26:51.180 And they're not going to let him get away with it easily.

00:26:53.260 But as you mentioned, he must know that from what they did to his brother.

00:26:57.040 Yeah, you're so right.

00:26:58.040 And great point about staff and careerists, too.

00:27:01.020 Well, Mark, great to talk to you.

00:27:02.280 Thanks for spending so much time with us.

00:27:04.680 I do feel a little bit of optimism for the first time in the whole global warming mania

00:27:10.680 that I haven't felt in a long time.

00:27:14.540 Obviously, it started with Trump and I didn't want to believe.

00:27:16.680 I didn't want my heart to, you know, be hurt.

00:27:20.860 You know, I didn't want to love again, Mark.

00:27:22.360 I didn't think it was possible.

00:27:24.260 But Donald Trump has been faithful on this issue and hopefully Doug Ford will be.

00:27:29.240 And maybe one day Europe will come to its senses, too.

00:27:32.540 And we'll look back on the trillion dollars or so that's being blown on this file and all

00:27:38.460 the bizarre policy distortions.

00:27:41.360 And we'll think, my God, how could we have been so mad?

00:27:45.180 Last word to you, my friend.

00:27:46.260 Yes, I mean, this is a pivotal moment right now because I love what Donald Trump did during

00:27:53.280 the G7 summit.

00:27:54.440 He turned it into the G6 summit when they came to the climate negotiations.

00:27:59.300 The most important thing Ford can do, the most important thing Canada can do, the most

00:28:02.120 important thing Trump can do, just stand up to it.

00:28:04.680 Don't be intimidated because for decades that's how they've achieved their success, by intimidating

00:28:09.640 people at all levels of government on this issue, the climate, the energy issue.

00:28:14.660 We just need people with courage, first of all.

00:28:16.660 And I think Canada is well in its way.

00:28:18.200 These are beyond the seeds.

00:28:19.940 You're now sprouting actual product and, you know, you're moving forward.

00:28:25.280 So good luck to Canada.

00:28:26.360 And let's hope you guys follow the American way right now, the American path there, which 0.89

00:28:31.020 is really pushed back strongly and needed against this whole climate energy establishment.

00:28:37.580 All right.

00:28:37.800 There you have it, Mark Morano, the boss of ClimateDepot.com and our in-house expert.

00:28:43.020 Well, you're not quite in-house, but it's like you're part of the Rebel family.

00:28:46.040 It's great to see you again.

00:28:47.320 Stay with us, folks.

00:28:48.200 More ahead.

00:28:48.580 Thanks a lot.

00:28:48.980 I got to tell you, talking to Mark Morano for years, I've been talking to him for years,

00:29:10.200 and it was always bad news until Donald Trump was elected president.

00:29:14.580 And then I don't, I'm pinching myself, can it be real?

00:29:16.880 Can it be real that he wants to dig for coal and drill for oil and export both and pulling

00:29:23.000 America out of the UN global warming scheme?

00:29:25.180 I just don't even want to believe it's true, lest my heart be broken.

00:29:29.540 But you know what?

00:29:30.420 I think it is true.

00:29:31.420 And I think it's helping to save the world.

00:29:33.220 What do you think?

00:29:34.560 Oh, by the way, we prerecorded today's show.

00:29:36.760 I'm actually overseas.

00:29:38.360 Take a look at what we filmed today.

00:29:39.800 Just on the road into Bethlehem, I'm looking at Palestinian homes on the hill, and it's

00:29:53.080 such a strange thing, this sign to me.

00:29:54.860 It's one of the most, it's one of the things that stands out the most from this trip.

00:29:59.640 This road leads to an area A, under the Palestinian authority.

00:30:04.820 The entrance for Israeli citizens is forbidden, dangerous to your lives, and is against the 1.00

00:30:11.880 Israeli law.

00:30:13.220 I just find it, I find it bizarre.

00:30:16.320 Of all the places I've been, of all the countries that are divided about South Africa, where I

00:30:21.260 think, imagine putting up a sign nowadays in South Africa, it would be, okay, no whites. 1.00

00:30:27.300 That would be effectively what's happening in South Africa.

00:30:29.260 And here you have a sign saying, no Israelis, in Bethlehem.

00:30:34.120 It's an absolute madness to me that this used to be 95% Christians, and now it's 12%. 1.00

00:30:40.280 And now you can have signs saying, if you're Israeli and you come here, it's a danger to

00:30:45.020 your lives.

00:30:45.700 I find this absolutely bizarre.

00:30:48.040 Well, that's our whole show tonight.

00:30:49.640 On behalf of all of us here at The Rebel, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:30:59.260 The Rebel, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 06, 2018

SPECIAL： When climate change policies and carbon schemes crumble

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