Rebel News Podcast - TAMARA UGOLINI ｜ Big Pharma launches new campaign to mass vaccinate kids

00:00:00.000 Tonight, how the pharmaceutical lobby is working to promote the big catch-up to mass vaccinate

00:00:21.220 children who missed their routine childhood vaccine throughout the COVID hysteria.

00:00:26.320 And then an immunological expert joins us to discuss misinformation in the post-COVID era.

00:00:34.240 Today is Tuesday, May the 9th, and I'm Tamara Ugolini, guest hosting The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:39.560 Shame on you, you sensorious bug. 0.99

00:00:45.580 You may have heard that the pharmaceutical lobby and their public and private partners

00:00:58.880 have joined forces to call for what is being referred to as the big catch-up.

00:01:04.000 An announcement from the pharma-centric World Health Organization reads,

00:01:08.820 WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, that's the Global Alliance for Vaccines, now the Vaccine Alliance,

00:01:14.240 and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which are basically one in the same,

00:01:18.580 along with Immunization Agenda 2030 and many other global and national health partners,

00:01:24.020 are today joining forces to call for the big catch-up,

00:01:27.280 a targeted global effort to boost vaccination among children following declines driven by the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:01:35.560 This World Immunization Week, WHO is highlighting the big catch-up,

00:01:41.320 our year-long effort with countries and partners to get immunization back on track.

00:01:47.780 Our focus is on catching up the millions of children who missed out on life-saving vaccines during the pandemic,

00:01:56.220 like the pneumonia, measles, and HPV vaccines.

00:02:01.520 By restoring lost immunization progress to at least pre-pandemic levels,

00:02:06.480 we can secure healthier futures for our children.

00:02:11.080 It's also urgent with strength and health systems,

00:02:13.820 so they can deliver vital services such as immunization to keep outbreaks at bay.

00:02:21.420 From new parents to presidents and prime ministers,

00:02:25.740 we all have a role to play in promoting vaccination to protect the adult in every child and the future of every adult.

00:02:35.820 Now, of course, this is all a direct result of the all-COVID-or-nothing public health hysteria

00:02:41.720 that was experienced by the world as public health bureaucrats took the reins from elected political officials

00:02:47.680 and led once free and democratic nations down a delirious and devastating path

00:02:53.700 that prioritized nonsensical, knee-jerk, hysterical reactions over evidence-based science and medicine,

00:03:01.840 completely disregarding previously well-established pandemic response plans.

00:03:06.360 Have a listen to the former head of Alberta's Emergency Management Agency,

00:03:11.740 Colonel David Redman, recap his testimony on this very topic at the National Citizens' Inquiry a few weeks ago.

00:03:19.380 Emergency management is how we address all emergencies in our country.

00:03:24.960 Every province and territory has an EMO, an emergency management organization,

00:03:29.540 and during this pandemic, they were sidelined.

00:03:31.600 We did that at our peril because we put the wrong people in charge,

00:03:36.220 people that weren't inexperienced, that should have realized that the response in a pandemic is for all of society,

00:03:43.120 not to protect the medical system.

00:03:45.860 And so, in my opinion, I believe that the process that is known, developed, and used for every emergency

00:03:52.040 was completely thrown away.

00:03:54.680 Our pre-written pandemic plans, and 13 out of 13 provinces and territories had one,

00:04:00.320 were completely ignored.

00:04:01.820 The Government of Canada's plan was completely ignored.

00:04:04.820 So, as a country, we took all our lessons learned,

00:04:07.800 both in emergency management and in public health, and we threw them away.

00:04:12.060 You have talked about devastating costs to this country.

00:04:16.540 What can the average Canadian do to, I guess we can't mitigate it ourselves,

00:04:24.120 but what are the next steps for us?

00:04:27.020 Canadians need to hold their governments accountable.

00:04:29.440 They need to hold their government, their medical officers of health,

00:04:32.420 they need to hold the media, they need to hold our courts accountable.

00:04:36.140 We need to say to the four major institutions that are pillars of our society,

00:04:41.740 you failed.

00:04:42.380 And we need to say it loud and clear.

00:04:45.280 If they're not willing to do it themselves,

00:04:47.880 and I'd always hoped that there would be a premier brave enough

00:04:51.360 to step back and say using non-pharmaceutical interventions or lockdowns is wrong,

00:04:57.520 they cause far more harm than good, and yet none have.

00:05:01.400 And until the point in time that we get a premier to lead the other premiers out of this morass,

00:05:05.860 it obviously has to be the citizens.

00:05:07.840 So citizens have to say, enough, you did it wrong,

00:05:10.960 here's why you did it wrong, and we're not doing this again.

00:05:14.580 One last question.

00:05:16.160 You talked about the fact that you never use fear in a pandemic, in an emergency period.

00:05:23.540 What can Canadians do to counter that, to counter their own fear,

00:05:29.260 maybe to take responsibility for the actions that they've taken because of that fear?

00:05:35.600 Fear is a terrible double-sided sword.

00:05:38.280 You can get people to comply, but what you do is irrevocable damage.

00:05:43.240 So people have to go back, consider that what we've done is wrong, why it's wrong,

00:05:50.100 and then every Canadian manages risk in their own way.

00:05:55.340 But what they have to do is realize that fear is never an appropriate response.

00:05:59.180 Confidence is always the response.

00:06:01.180 Confidence that they can get through it, that their family can get through it,

00:06:04.340 that their community can get through it, if they work together.

00:06:08.140 And what we've seen during this pandemic is that it was everyone for themselves.

00:06:12.840 And so individuals have to take accountability for the fear they've caused,

00:06:16.400 and to help others overcome that fear.

00:06:19.080 Instead, through government-sanctioned threats and things like police-state intimidation tactics,

00:06:24.180 they closed the gyms, the schools, they banned social interaction and terrified the masses

00:06:29.460 from seeking medical care, calling them selfish for not staying home and saving lives,

00:06:35.040 because any small accident or bone break would overburden a medical system

00:06:39.020 that was bracing for a surge of COVID-19 patients,

00:06:43.140 based on Chinese propaganda videos, that never came to fruition here.

00:06:47.480 And meanwhile, being cooped up indoors was the largest risk factor for close contact droplet spread.

00:06:54.860 And because of these hysterical measures, the general public stopped seeking medical care.

00:06:59.960 Most clinics were closed to in-person visits anyway.

00:07:03.040 And as per this report prepared by a United States non-profit organization

00:07:07.460 focused on health awareness and education called Health Choice,

00:07:11.640 they found that child and infant deaths were at an all-time low,

00:07:16.240 an odd finding when you consider that at that time we were to be facing a novel pathogen

00:07:22.400 of unknown proportions that required harshly draconian, civil liberty and morality-crushing efforts to quell.

00:07:30.360 The report was titled Lessons from the Lockdown, Why Are So Many Fewer Children Dying?

00:07:36.500 and was published in June of 2020.

00:07:39.620 All of the data that they break down comes directly from the United States Centers for Disease Control,

00:07:45.260 or the CDC, namely the National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System.

00:07:52.420 I'd like to point out figure 14 on page 13 of the 20-page report.

00:07:56.960 It shows deaths for those under the age of 18, year over year, from 2014 in orange to 2020 in brown.

00:08:05.160 You can clearly see the sharp decline in deaths of that age group on this graph.

00:08:11.280 And below the graph it reads,

00:08:12.600 But the pandemic experience has brought on a surprising effect on this expected death rate among children.

00:08:18.880 Starting in early March, that's 2020, expected deaths began a sharp decline,

00:08:23.800 from an expected level of around 700 deaths per week to well under 500 by mid-April and throughout May.

00:08:31.180 As untimely deaths spiked among the elderly in Manhattan nursing homes and in similar settings all over the country,

00:08:38.040 including here in Canada, something mysterious was saving the lives of children.

00:08:42.940 As springtime in America came, along with massive disruptions in family life amid near-universal lockdowns,

00:08:49.720 roughly 30% fewer children died.

00:08:53.580 The next graph, figure 15, breaks deaths down of those under the age of 18 even further and makes a shocking discovery.

00:09:03.360 They found that week over week from February 1st to May 16th, 2020,

00:09:08.440 there was an exceedingly sharp decline in infants under the age of 1 dying during the first few months of the pandemic.

00:09:16.760 Under the graph, it reads,

00:09:19.200 Virtually the entire change came from infants.

00:09:22.380 Somehow, the changing pattern of American life during the lockdowns has been saving the lives of hundreds of infants,

00:09:30.640 over 200 per week.

00:09:33.680 That is not a small number.

00:09:35.160 When trying to assess causation, here is what the report states on page 17.

00:09:40.800 One very clear change that has received publicity in the public is that public health officials are bemoaning

00:09:48.260 the sharp decline in infant vaccinations as parents are not taking their infants into pediatric offices for their regular well-baby checks.

00:09:58.260 In the May 15th issue of the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report,

00:10:03.280 a group of authors from the CDC and Kaiser Permanente reported a sharp decline in provider orders for vaccines,

00:10:13.220 as well as a decline in pediatric vaccine doses administered.

00:10:18.260 These declines began in early March, around the time infant deaths began declining.

00:10:23.300 And now we fast track to 2023, and just last week, on May the 5th,

00:10:29.320 the World Health Organization declared that COVID is an ongoing health issue

00:10:33.660 that apparently no longer constitutes a public health emergency of international concern.

00:10:39.140 And yes, that's according to their own website.

00:10:42.240 And those most pivotal in leading the way throughout the last three years,

00:10:45.780 like CDC Director Rochelle Walensky announced her resignation, oddly, on the very same day.

00:10:52.660 Ostensibly, it appears that this means that we need to switch from the incessant COVID-19 propaganda

00:10:58.300 and the behavioral nudges shoving 100% compliance with novel mRNA injections down our throats at every turn,

00:11:06.320 including on highway signs, newsrooms, and radio shows across the country.

00:11:11.440 Now we need to pivot into this big catch-up.

00:11:13.900 Take, for instance, Chelsea Clinton, the Vice Chair of the Clinton Foundation,

00:11:19.200 whose biography states that she also serves as the Vice Chair of the Clinton Health Access Initiative

00:11:25.360 and uses her platform to increase awareness around issues such as vaccine hesitancy,

00:11:31.580 childhood obesity, and health equity.

00:11:34.400 Chelsea recently presented at Fortune's Brainstorm Health Conference,

00:11:38.280 titled Venturing Through the Unknown,

00:11:40.740 about how she wants to see continued pandemic emergency powers 0.75

00:11:45.160 and appears completely unaware as to why confidence and trust in institutions like public health

00:11:52.260 is at an all-time low.

00:11:53.800 I do think, though, you know, when you ask about the role of public-private partnerships

00:11:57.260 kind of after the last few years,

00:11:59.760 I think we spend so much time, understandably,

00:12:02.540 focused on the mRNA vaccines and technologies.

00:12:05.320 I spend a lot of time thinking about the really unfortunate,

00:12:11.120 to try to use a not too judgmental word,

00:12:14.620 kind of rise in not only kind of vaccine hesitancy and questioning,

00:12:18.740 but outright kind of rejection of vaccines

00:12:22.020 and of kind of science and the scientific kind of process,

00:12:25.620 and also too often on our scientists, our epidemiologists,

00:12:29.460 our frontline healthcare workers.

00:12:30.600 And so I do think we need to have a much more robust conversation

00:12:35.220 and sense of urgency because I think we are less prepared today

00:12:39.460 than we were arguably in January of 2020,

00:12:43.400 partly because of the kind of lack of trust and confidence

00:12:49.080 in not only our scientists but in science itself

00:12:54.540 and certainly in the public health professionals.

00:12:56.960 And so I think we need kind of the public sector

00:13:00.200 to hopefully stop doing things

00:13:01.680 like stripping away public health emergency powers

00:13:04.460 from state public health agencies.

00:13:06.260 We also need the private sector to help candidly,

00:13:09.120 like, do a better job of helping explain kind of the science

00:13:12.640 that you are already commercializing

00:13:14.980 and bringing to market, but also what you're working on

00:13:18.500 and help us kind of in the broader conversation

00:13:21.880 not be uncomfortable with the discomfort of uncertainty.

00:13:25.580 And so I do think we need really good ideas

00:13:29.320 for how best to do that because we all deserve

00:13:32.360 to hopefully not be as unprepared as I worry we are at the moment.

00:13:37.620 And the last thing I'll say is a new effort that we're a part of

00:13:41.240 is the new initiative launched by the World Health Organization

00:13:44.000 last week to try to catch kids up on their routine immunizations.

00:13:48.540 In 2021 alone, more than 25 million kids under the age of one

00:13:53.620 missed at least one routine immunization.

00:13:56.460 And so we're working with WHO and the Gates Foundation and others

00:13:59.220 to hopefully have the largest kind of childhood immunization effort ever

00:14:04.800 over the next 18 months to catch as many kids up as possible

00:14:08.860 because no one should die of polio or measles or pneumonia,

00:14:13.640 including in this country where we also need people

00:14:16.000 to be vaccinating their kids.

00:14:17.540 This master plan of the big catch-up is slated to last 18 months,

00:14:22.040 as per the Fortune article.

00:14:23.740 And all of these organizations would have you believe

00:14:26.160 that measles and polio have made a resurgence

00:14:28.620 as a result of low childhood vaccination uptake rates.

00:14:32.700 But according to the CDC itself,

00:14:34.900 measles cases in 2023 are at an all-time low.

00:14:38.620 Just 10 cases reported thus far for 2023

00:14:41.320 and 121 cases last year in 2022 compared to 49 in 2021,

00:14:48.340 13 cases in 2020,

00:14:50.300 but then a whopping 1,274 in 2019.

00:14:55.700 And in terms of polio,

00:14:57.060 well, we know that the vaccine strain of the virus

00:15:00.240 circulates in North America, as per, again, the CDC.

00:15:03.760 So I guess you better get vaccinated to protect yourself

00:15:06.700 against the infectious vaccine-derived virus.

00:15:11.180 Why does it appear that big pharma-funded public health institutions

00:15:14.940 are the ones actually putting children's health at risk?

00:15:19.240 Wouldn't now be an appropriate time to look at child deaths,

00:15:23.860 why they were at an all-time low,

00:15:25.400 and if they remain that way,

00:15:27.440 and what mechanisms may be at play for it?

00:15:30.260 Instead of pushing more big pharma and Pfizer profiteering,

00:15:34.180 trying to mass-inject everyone and their unborn baby. 0.55

00:15:38.440 Stay tuned as we dive into public health messaging

00:15:41.020 and the government invented war on misinformation next.

00:15:51.340 All right, now joining me is Dr. Byram Bridle.

00:16:00.200 He's a virologist, immunologist, and vaccinologist,

00:16:04.720 who, for expressing simple concerns

00:16:08.440 over biodistribution data that he discovered

00:16:11.960 through access to information requests,

00:16:14.700 and simply trying to express those concerns

00:16:16.940 and share those novel scientific findings,

00:16:19.880 has been deemed this spreader of myths and disinformation.

00:16:25.180 And Dr. Bridle, you have been slandered,

00:16:27.280 you've been smeared, you've had your career cancelled,

00:16:31.240 and have faced ad hominem attacks,

00:16:34.120 and the list really goes on and on

00:16:35.820 and how you have been personally,

00:16:38.860 there's been a personal vendetta launched against you

00:16:41.700 by the people who say to be this holy grail of truth

00:16:46.180 and the science, as we've seen.

00:16:48.960 And now it's basically been two years to the date,

00:16:52.040 since May of 2021,

00:16:53.280 when your clip first went viral expressing this biodistribution data,

00:16:57.660 which essentially showed that the novel mRNA injections

00:17:01.820 don't stay in the shoulder,

00:17:03.480 as was previously espoused by the quote-unquote experts,

00:17:07.520 and rather it was showing to distribute throughout the body

00:17:11.540 and actually accumulate in certain parts of the body,

00:17:14.800 in certain organs more than others.

00:17:16.460 Where are you now after two years of this idea

00:17:20.840 that just sharing concerns and questioning the narrative

00:17:24.720 is deemed as dis- and misinformation?

00:17:29.400 Yeah.

00:17:30.420 So, first of all, thanks for having me, Tamara.

00:17:34.840 Yeah, when I look back on everything that's happened

00:17:39.280 over the last two years,

00:17:40.420 it's, you know, I'm just flabbergasted still.

00:17:43.180 Well, you know, here we sit almost two years,

00:17:47.380 like you said,

00:17:47.920 since I just did my job as an academic faculty member

00:17:52.280 and, you know,

00:17:53.620 tried to make the science accessible to the public

00:17:55.620 and indicated that these lipid nanoparticles

00:17:59.060 that are being used to deliver these mRNAs,

00:18:02.300 right, this technology we're calling vaccines,

00:18:04.880 COVID-19 vaccines,

00:18:06.980 you know, I showed people the data,

00:18:08.540 Pfizer's own data,

00:18:09.640 that they had submitted to the Japanese government's

00:18:12.660 health regulatory agency,

00:18:15.000 indicating that these went through all throughout the body.

00:18:18.200 Now, I'd say two years later,

00:18:20.680 this phenomenon is well accepted

00:18:23.280 in the scientific literature.

00:18:24.660 It's published all over the place.

00:18:25.840 In fact, interestingly,

00:18:26.720 there was a paper just published very recently,

00:18:30.840 which actually highlighted,

00:18:32.420 in that interview that I gave,

00:18:33.600 I was only able to get to cover one,

00:18:37.480 one of many potential mechanisms of harm

00:18:41.140 that I saw coming from this information.

00:18:44.280 But even that one,

00:18:45.340 and that was one of my sort of,

00:18:46.940 the weaker arguments

00:18:48.120 and one of my lesser concerns.

00:18:49.920 But at the time,

00:18:51.000 when I gave that interview,

00:18:52.060 I linked to this distribution,

00:18:54.620 systemic biodistribution,

00:18:56.320 the concern that if the spike proteins

00:18:58.240 were to get systemically distributed,

00:18:59.860 that could be quite dangerous

00:19:01.000 because the spike protein,

00:19:03.380 I said it at the time,

00:19:04.340 and boy, I got in a lot of trouble

00:19:05.360 for referring to it as a toxin.

00:19:07.420 But I hear it referred to as a toxin

00:19:08.860 all the time now.

00:19:09.780 We're now up to about 14 or 15 different,

00:19:13.700 known, potential mechanisms of harm

00:19:16.060 that the spike protein can mediate

00:19:19.180 in various parts of the body.

00:19:21.540 And people attacked me at the time

00:19:23.160 because they thought my major concern

00:19:24.660 was about free,

00:19:25.580 free circulating spike in the blood.

00:19:28.600 My major concern at the time

00:19:29.880 was actually that these things

00:19:30.900 are designed,

00:19:31.580 these lipid nanoparticles

00:19:32.460 are designed to fuse with cells

00:19:33.940 and get our cells to show

00:19:36.060 the protein on the surface.

00:19:37.960 And that would make them a target

00:19:39.000 of the immune response, right?

00:19:40.860 The antibodies and T cells

00:19:42.080 that then get induced.

00:19:43.520 And so we'd actually be killing off

00:19:44.940 our own cells that way.

00:19:46.700 But this is the point,

00:19:47.760 a paper was just recently published

00:19:49.260 showing that there was no question.

00:19:52.560 They were studying vaccine-induced cases

00:19:55.040 of myocarditis.

00:19:56.540 And they were finding

00:19:57.620 the spike protein present

00:19:59.000 in the heart tissue

00:20:00.260 of these people

00:20:01.880 that were suffering,

00:20:03.440 you know,

00:20:03.980 severe heart inflammation

00:20:05.020 after the vaccine.

00:20:06.060 They ruled out natural infection

00:20:07.820 by looking for other components

00:20:09.780 of the virus, right?

00:20:10.740 If there were other components

00:20:11.660 other than the spike protein,

00:20:13.020 you would suspect natural infection.

00:20:14.660 But if it's only the spike protein

00:20:16.060 and none of the other parts

00:20:17.340 of the virus,

00:20:17.940 then you know it's the vaccine.

00:20:19.440 And at the end of this paper,

00:20:21.420 right,

00:20:21.680 they highlight

00:20:22.520 that the myocarditis,

00:20:24.600 you know,

00:20:25.320 they expressed it

00:20:27.360 as disconcertingly high levels,

00:20:29.960 high concentrations

00:20:30.720 of the spike protein,

00:20:32.020 free floating in the blood,

00:20:33.900 in circulation.

00:20:34.980 And they believe

00:20:36.420 that this is the mechanism,

00:20:38.600 probably the major mechanism

00:20:40.120 of harm

00:20:40.580 when it comes to myocarditis.

00:20:41.900 And that is precisely

00:20:42.860 what I said

00:20:44.000 almost two years ago.

00:20:45.760 It was so unpopular then.

00:20:47.900 Now people are publishing papers

00:20:49.560 and actually building up

00:20:50.600 their CVs

00:20:51.440 and helping get research funding

00:20:53.300 for saying

00:20:53.980 what I said two years ago.

00:20:55.820 And my life was turned

00:20:57.360 into a living hell, 0.63

00:20:58.160 if I'm honest with you.

00:20:59.820 I'm still,

00:21:00.700 you asked me where I am

00:21:02.060 almost two years later.

00:21:04.400 Well, I'm literally,

00:21:05.800 right now,

00:21:06.380 I'm sitting on the back deck

00:21:07.780 of my house.

00:21:08.800 So I'm not exactly

00:21:09.660 where I was

00:21:11.200 shortly after I made

00:21:12.600 that announcement

00:21:13.120 because I've been banished

00:21:14.080 to the basement of my house

00:21:15.420 for almost two years.

00:21:16.580 I have not been,

00:21:17.920 the administration

00:21:18.480 of my university

00:21:19.260 has not allowed me

00:21:20.340 back to my office

00:21:22.620 or my laboratory

00:21:23.360 to be able to properly

00:21:25.060 do my job

00:21:26.420 for almost two years now.

00:21:28.540 And so I've been working

00:21:29.280 in this tiny little,

00:21:30.560 I don't know,

00:21:30.860 eight foot by 10 foot

00:21:32.300 office in my basement.

00:21:34.360 So I'm almost there,

00:21:36.220 but on a great day like this,

00:21:37.220 I decided rather than being

00:21:38.260 in my dirt, dingy basement,

00:21:39.500 I'd come out here.

00:21:41.020 But so I'm literally

00:21:41.620 in the same place,

00:21:42.860 literally working

00:21:43.600 from my home,

00:21:44.420 banished to my home

00:21:45.260 for almost two years

00:21:47.060 as an academic faculty member

00:21:48.600 because I told the truth

00:21:50.700 when apparently

00:21:51.780 most of the world

00:21:52.320 didn't want to hear it.

00:21:53.720 And now it's well accepted.

00:21:54.940 You know,

00:21:55.120 who knew that somebody

00:21:57.480 with genuine deep expertise

00:21:58.900 in an area

00:21:59.680 would actually be correct

00:22:01.360 in the early stages,

00:22:02.640 actually be able to look

00:22:03.540 at the data

00:22:04.180 that was available

00:22:04.720 at the time

00:22:05.320 and see where it was going?

00:22:07.940 Well, and as we see

00:22:08.840 that this is validated

00:22:10.020 and your concerns

00:22:10.920 come to fruition

00:22:11.980 and the science

00:22:13.040 really starts to back it up

00:22:14.520 because there's a lag there

00:22:15.680 in the science

00:22:16.380 and the rollout

00:22:17.220 of something

00:22:17.700 that is novel

00:22:18.560 and experimental,

00:22:19.260 you need to wait

00:22:20.660 for that real world data

00:22:21.860 to start moving in

00:22:22.980 to discern and decide

00:22:24.840 the safety

00:22:25.500 and things like this.

00:22:27.080 And as your concerns

00:22:28.620 from two years ago

00:22:29.780 remain to be validated,

00:22:32.380 why aren't we seeing

00:22:34.000 more of a robust discussion

00:22:35.800 about that?

00:22:36.500 And why are you still facing

00:22:38.260 this slandering

00:22:39.340 and smearing

00:22:39.840 of your character

00:22:40.700 and your simple questions?

00:22:43.900 Yeah, so that's a question

00:22:46.480 I've been pondering now

00:22:47.440 for almost two years.

00:22:50.000 All I can really comment on

00:22:52.840 with great confidence

00:22:54.100 is the science.

00:22:55.480 And I can tell you

00:22:56.240 with confidence

00:22:56.800 that when it comes

00:22:57.760 to COVID-19

00:22:58.620 and our COVID-19 policies,

00:22:59.980 we have not been following

00:23:01.180 the science

00:23:01.740 for a very, very long time.

00:23:04.000 And we never had

00:23:04.940 the scientific backing

00:23:06.000 for any of the draconian

00:23:07.160 mandates that were put in place.

00:23:08.660 So that leaves me

00:23:10.740 with wondering,

00:23:11.960 so if it's not the science

00:23:13.460 that we're following,

00:23:14.800 why are we doing these things?

00:23:16.640 And I honestly

00:23:17.580 don't know tomorrow.

00:23:19.320 That's a place

00:23:20.200 where I'd be getting

00:23:21.840 outside of my expertise.

00:23:23.440 I can certainly express

00:23:24.640 personal opinions

00:23:25.700 because if we're not

00:23:27.180 following the science,

00:23:27.880 I guess put it this way,

00:23:28.660 I start worrying

00:23:29.360 are there more nefarious reasons?

00:23:31.120 I don't know.

00:23:31.460 Or is it sheer incompetence?

00:23:33.160 To me,

00:23:33.620 if we're not following

00:23:34.100 the science,

00:23:34.600 it's got to be

00:23:34.940 one of those other two.

00:23:35.880 But what I can also

00:23:38.920 share with you

00:23:39.520 is even though

00:23:40.560 there's an avalanche

00:23:42.620 of data now showing

00:23:43.720 that there was

00:23:45.480 good reason

00:23:46.320 to be very concerned

00:23:47.520 about

00:23:48.040 the COVID science

00:23:50.480 as it was being

00:23:51.380 portrayed by our politicians

00:23:52.980 and public health officials,

00:23:54.860 I can also say

00:23:55.660 that for some reason

00:23:56.180 they do not want

00:23:57.000 to recognize

00:23:57.500 that those

00:23:59.380 that they have been

00:24:00.040 incessantly attacking

00:24:00.860 for the two years

00:24:01.680 were right.

00:24:02.240 They don't want

00:24:02.620 to recognize this.

00:24:03.340 I can tell you actually

00:24:04.040 the common strategy

00:24:05.460 still utilized

00:24:06.320 against me

00:24:07.140 is people

00:24:09.300 will ignore

00:24:10.520 the avalanche

00:24:11.780 of data

00:24:12.140 that has come out

00:24:12.920 and they simply

00:24:14.200 look back

00:24:14.820 and they will refer

00:24:15.700 to the numerous

00:24:16.600 fact checks,

00:24:17.540 for example,

00:24:18.100 that were put out

00:24:19.600 there about me.

00:24:20.560 I also had

00:24:21.360 an open letter

00:24:22.860 that was written by,

00:24:24.420 I think it was signed

00:24:25.040 by something like

00:24:25.500 83 or 88,

00:24:27.360 somewhere around

00:24:27.760 that ballpark

00:24:28.400 of my colleagues

00:24:29.880 at my university

00:24:30.680 where they claimed

00:24:31.840 that I didn't know

00:24:32.280 what I was talking about

00:24:33.200 when I gave that interview,

00:24:34.360 right?

00:24:34.700 Now it's very clear

00:24:35.800 but nobody has apologized

00:24:37.080 and instead,

00:24:39.000 like I said,

00:24:39.380 the strategy seems

00:24:40.440 to be pointing

00:24:41.020 to the fact checks

00:24:41.860 at the time.

00:24:42.780 Look,

00:24:43.320 people identified

00:24:44.400 that this guy

00:24:44.900 did not know

00:24:45.480 what he was talking

00:24:46.120 about way back

00:24:47.120 there two years ago

00:24:48.200 and we're going

00:24:48.980 to ignore

00:24:49.420 all the current facts

00:24:50.620 to show he was right,

00:24:51.940 right?

00:24:52.140 We have all this

00:24:52.740 documentation

00:24:53.460 that apparently

00:24:54.700 seems to prove

00:24:55.560 that he didn't know

00:24:56.000 what he was talking about

00:24:56.760 and we'll leave it

00:24:57.620 at that

00:24:58.040 and we will ignore

00:24:59.320 the current evidence.

00:25:00.580 So I'm not sure

00:25:03.480 but one thing

00:25:04.160 that's interesting,

00:25:05.340 Tamari,

00:25:05.820 you probably noticed

00:25:07.080 the Liberal Caucus

00:25:09.300 recently held

00:25:10.200 a three-day meeting.

00:25:13.040 It was sort of

00:25:13.600 very quietly planned

00:25:14.660 and done

00:25:15.100 and information

00:25:16.040 has been coming out

00:25:16.900 about this, right?

00:25:17.680 And one of the things

00:25:18.480 that they apparently

00:25:19.800 voted in favor of

00:25:21.120 was the idea

00:25:23.960 of potentially

00:25:25.180 putting into policy

00:25:26.780 again,

00:25:29.000 mechanisms that

00:25:30.300 would force

00:25:30.940 every Canadian

00:25:32.180 that they missed

00:25:33.140 to receive

00:25:33.880 these COVID-19

00:25:34.780 vaccines, right?

00:25:35.780 They're talking

00:25:36.320 about the potential

00:25:37.000 to close down

00:25:37.700 our borders again

00:25:38.520 to travel

00:25:39.020 or interprovincial

00:25:39.680 borders

00:25:40.120 and making

00:25:41.880 businesses,

00:25:42.900 especially

00:25:43.260 non-essential

00:25:44.160 businesses,

00:25:44.900 force people

00:25:45.420 to show vaccine

00:25:46.180 passports

00:25:46.740 if they're going

00:25:47.100 to access

00:25:47.360 the businesses

00:25:47.840 and so on,

00:25:49.120 right?

00:25:49.500 We are,

00:25:50.600 in Canada,

00:25:51.100 for some reason,

00:25:51.840 we are stepping back.

00:25:52.940 It's almost as though

00:25:53.500 we want to go back

00:25:54.500 to two years ago,

00:25:55.540 back to 2021,

00:25:56.780 and relive it

00:25:57.860 all over again.

00:25:59.220 And it just makes

00:25:59.900 no sense.

00:26:00.440 I mean,

00:26:00.620 especially in the context,

00:26:01.680 I mean,

00:26:01.820 you hear about that,

00:26:02.640 what our government

00:26:03.560 is proposing right now,

00:26:05.180 and this is in the context

00:26:07.080 of the World Health Organization

00:26:08.280 just declaring

00:26:09.220 the pandemic over.

00:26:11.120 So I honestly don't know,

00:26:12.380 but what I do know

00:26:13.100 is for those of us

00:26:14.420 who really know

00:26:14.860 what we're talking about,

00:26:16.100 these terms,

00:26:17.000 misinformation

00:26:17.460 and disinformation

00:26:18.420 are being thrown

00:26:19.280 around very freely

00:26:20.380 and it's being used

00:26:21.760 to label individuals

00:26:22.940 who simply had

00:26:26.080 differences of opinion

00:26:27.480 that were based

00:26:29.260 on scientific truth.

00:26:31.420 And you've tried

00:26:32.020 to reach out

00:26:33.200 and perhaps even

00:26:34.140 host a debate

00:26:34.880 against some of

00:26:35.620 these individuals

00:26:36.420 who, again,

00:26:37.700 say that they're

00:26:38.620 the purveyors

00:26:39.400 of the truth

00:26:40.680 and the science.

00:26:42.520 And what has been

00:26:43.260 the culmination there

00:26:44.440 of those efforts?

00:26:46.860 Yeah, okay.

00:26:47.720 So, Tamara,

00:26:48.500 that's very interesting.

00:26:50.500 So,

00:26:51.060 initially,

00:26:51.640 when all this happened,

00:26:52.360 one of the strategies,

00:26:55.200 if you're being bullied,

00:26:56.200 if you're being harassed,

00:26:57.320 if you're being defamed,

00:26:59.800 one of the natural strategies

00:27:01.680 is to avoid people,

00:27:03.020 to avoid people

00:27:03.780 who hate you,

00:27:04.600 right?

00:27:04.820 Avoid people

00:27:05.580 who are hurting you.

00:27:07.300 And so my initial response

00:27:08.660 was to,

00:27:09.500 for all those accusing me

00:27:10.560 of disseminating misinformation,

00:27:12.760 I tried to engage

00:27:13.880 in discussions,

00:27:14.620 conversations with them.

00:27:15.600 Not one person would.

00:27:17.780 In fact,

00:27:19.300 a friend of mine

00:27:20.320 that I made

00:27:20.800 over the past three years,

00:27:21.940 even offered people

00:27:23.160 up to $2 million

00:27:23.980 to have a public discussion

00:27:26.480 with me

00:27:26.920 to prove

00:27:28.260 that they were so confident

00:27:29.860 that I was conveying

00:27:31.340 misinformation

00:27:31.800 to prove it

00:27:32.860 in public.

00:27:34.180 And people wouldn't

00:27:35.040 even adopt that.

00:27:37.260 But you know what?

00:27:38.380 I thought,

00:27:39.740 fine.

00:27:40.440 You know,

00:27:41.280 they claim to be the experts

00:27:43.380 when it comes to misinformation.

00:27:45.120 And what they kept telling us

00:27:46.420 tomorrow

00:27:46.840 was

00:27:47.820 they aren't going to engage

00:27:49.500 in public discussions

00:27:50.460 with people

00:27:51.380 who,

00:27:52.680 and again,

00:27:53.240 what your listeners

00:27:54.400 have to understand

00:27:55.240 is,

00:27:56.180 it's not just that I was,

00:27:57.040 I wasn't expressing

00:27:57.700 my personal opinions

00:27:58.740 on things,

00:27:59.760 right?

00:28:00.140 Individuals like myself,

00:28:01.140 we were actually holding up

00:28:02.260 the peer-reviewed

00:28:03.100 scientific papers

00:28:04.180 and we were

00:28:05.420 making that science

00:28:07.440 accessible

00:28:08.260 to the public.

00:28:09.280 That's all we were doing.

00:28:10.300 We were just messengers

00:28:11.220 of what the published

00:28:12.300 peer-reviewed science

00:28:13.220 was saying,

00:28:14.160 and yet we were being accused

00:28:15.200 of conveying misinformation.

00:28:16.520 And there was this,

00:28:18.880 there has been this

00:28:19.680 overriding concept

00:28:21.420 shared with the public

00:28:23.620 which says that

00:28:25.360 if somebody is

00:28:27.420 dissembling misinformation

00:28:29.680 and one were to engage

00:28:32.980 in a public discussion

00:28:33.980 with them,

00:28:34.780 right,

00:28:34.960 the argument goes

00:28:35.820 that that would

00:28:37.320 give a,

00:28:39.280 the appearance

00:28:40.040 of a platform

00:28:40.980 to legitimize

00:28:42.260 the misinformation

00:28:42.940 and by doing that

00:28:44.880 publicly

00:28:45.460 would risk

00:28:46.340 disseminating

00:28:47.200 the misinformation

00:28:47.840 even further.

00:28:49.880 And,

00:28:50.420 so,

00:28:52.040 you know,

00:28:52.200 if that's the argument

00:28:53.060 and if that's what

00:28:54.060 their science says,

00:28:56.100 then at the end of the day

00:28:57.320 we have to kind of accept,

00:28:58.760 okay,

00:28:58.880 they're not going to engage.

00:28:59.980 You can't force somebody

00:29:00.820 to engage.

00:29:02.360 But I suddenly realized,

00:29:03.640 I,

00:29:03.660 I,

00:29:04.560 your listeners

00:29:05.320 have to understand,

00:29:06.380 we are getting into

00:29:07.220 some very dangerous territory

00:29:09.060 with these accusations

00:29:10.200 of misinformation.

00:29:11.280 I,

00:29:11.440 I saw this

00:29:12.220 and so I actually

00:29:13.580 reversed direction

00:29:15.040 and I decided

00:29:15.760 this is not,

00:29:16.400 it's not okay

00:29:17.140 to ignore

00:29:19.080 the people

00:29:19.820 who are accusing others

00:29:20.900 of disseminating

00:29:21.680 misinformation.

00:29:22.660 It's not okay.

00:29:23.280 In fact,

00:29:23.460 it's dangerous

00:29:24.040 to do nothing

00:29:25.040 and say nothing about it.

00:29:26.760 And so what I decide

00:29:27.480 instead tomorrow

00:29:28.180 is like,

00:29:28.580 do what any good

00:29:29.480 scientist would,

00:29:30.340 right?

00:29:30.900 I'm not a

00:29:31.580 misinformation expert,

00:29:33.360 but,

00:29:33.560 so I thought I will,

00:29:34.440 I will go

00:29:36.080 to the literature

00:29:37.800 supported by

00:29:39.160 and promoted by

00:29:40.500 our,

00:29:41.420 our misinformation

00:29:42.060 experts.

00:29:43.460 And you know

00:29:43.920 what I found?

00:29:44.920 They have a very

00:29:46.740 solid body

00:29:48.220 of peer-reviewed

00:29:49.360 published literature

00:29:50.880 to back up

00:29:52.960 excellent approaches

00:29:55.740 to identifying

00:29:57.640 and quenching

00:30:00.300 misinformation.

00:30:02.240 But you also know

00:30:03.320 what I found out?

00:30:04.540 When I looked

00:30:05.560 at the scientific literature

00:30:06.680 that these people

00:30:07.440 were promoting,

00:30:08.760 they aren't following

00:30:10.820 any of their own science.

00:30:12.360 I was shocked.

00:30:13.820 So for example,

00:30:14.680 with what I just said,

00:30:15.520 right?

00:30:15.700 They don't want to,

00:30:16.240 they say they don't want

00:30:16.800 to talk publicly

00:30:17.500 because it just gives

00:30:18.300 a platform to legitimize

00:30:19.720 their misinformation

00:30:20.300 and can spread it further.

00:30:21.500 But the reality is

00:30:22.560 their own peer-reviewed

00:30:23.880 scientific literature

00:30:24.760 says the complete opposite.

00:30:26.820 It actually says

00:30:28.140 that if you want to,

00:30:30.360 that if you want to stop

00:30:32.220 the spread of misinformation,

00:30:33.720 you quickly,

00:30:35.200 publicly,

00:30:35.680 engage these people.

00:30:37.340 In fact,

00:30:37.800 it's very interesting

00:30:38.760 because the scientific literature

00:30:40.080 to justify this

00:30:41.480 is actually based on

00:30:43.000 public discussions

00:30:44.420 with science deniers.

00:30:46.820 People who don't even

00:30:47.780 accept science

00:30:49.420 as a legitimate strategy

00:30:51.000 to understand

00:30:51.860 the world around us.

00:30:53.480 Science deniers.

00:30:55.100 So if the strategy,

00:30:56.400 if speaking publicly

00:30:57.820 with science deniers

00:30:59.140 has a positive impact

00:31:01.460 on revealing misinformation,

00:31:05.680 you can imagine

00:31:06.560 how much of a positive benefit

00:31:08.560 it would have

00:31:09.200 if somebody is

00:31:10.120 a science believer,

00:31:11.300 a scientist like myself,

00:31:12.960 and you engage publicly.

00:31:14.460 So their own literature,

00:31:16.860 their own rules

00:31:17.880 of engagement

00:31:18.580 says that it is important

00:31:21.460 to engage publicly.

00:31:23.060 That's the way

00:31:23.680 that you help the public

00:31:24.920 quickly identify

00:31:25.800 who the misinformation

00:31:26.800 spreaders really are

00:31:28.120 so that they can understand

00:31:29.500 where the truth lies.

00:31:31.220 Now, this is also interesting

00:31:32.200 because,

00:31:33.540 see, the concern is

00:31:35.280 what I was just describing,

00:31:36.160 this idea of

00:31:37.020 if you engage

00:31:37.860 with somebody publicly

00:31:38.760 who's spreading misinformation,

00:31:40.100 you help spread it further,

00:31:41.840 that's what they call

00:31:42.900 the backfire effect.

00:31:44.540 And so these papers

00:31:45.220 literally address this

00:31:46.700 and say,

00:31:47.280 nope,

00:31:47.700 the backfire effect

00:31:48.740 is not a real phenomenon.

00:31:50.040 It is nothing

00:31:50.520 to be concerned about.

00:31:51.900 Even with science deniers,

00:31:53.140 you can have public discussions

00:31:54.600 with them

00:31:55.140 and it's not going

00:31:55.980 to backfire on you.

00:31:57.340 If you hold the truth

00:31:58.360 and they do not,

00:31:59.080 you're going to be able

00:31:59.840 to show the public

00:32:00.560 that very clearly.

00:32:01.880 And so this is very important

00:32:02.760 to Mara to understand

00:32:03.640 and for your listeners

00:32:04.300 to understand.

00:32:05.460 No longer

00:32:06.220 should we be accepting

00:32:07.340 from anybody

00:32:08.260 this idea

00:32:09.280 that they are going

00:32:10.060 to refuse to engage

00:32:11.280 with people

00:32:11.740 that they're accusing

00:32:12.400 of spreading misinformation.

00:32:13.960 No longer can we accept

00:32:15.040 from them

00:32:15.520 this idea

00:32:16.960 that it would be

00:32:18.160 potentially harmful

00:32:18.980 if they talk publicly

00:32:19.900 with us

00:32:20.360 because their own science

00:32:21.320 says the complete opposite

00:32:22.560 and if these people

00:32:23.620 accusing others

00:32:24.400 of spreading misinformation

00:32:25.300 are to follow

00:32:26.460 their own science

00:32:27.220 they need to engage

00:32:28.160 with us publicly

00:32:28.860 and we need to start

00:32:29.840 holding them accountable

00:32:30.960 for what their own

00:32:32.500 scientific foundation says

00:32:34.120 and if they do not engage

00:32:35.480 us in public discussions

00:32:36.520 then there's two things.

00:32:39.100 A, I'd say very bluntly

00:32:40.800 they're cowards.

00:32:42.240 That's what their science says.

00:32:43.520 If they fail to engage

00:32:44.820 in public discussions

00:32:45.720 with us

00:32:46.220 they are cowards.

00:32:47.380 That's what their science says.

00:32:49.000 Secondly,

00:32:49.640 for the people

00:32:50.360 who follow

00:32:51.300 and support

00:32:51.960 those who are accusing

00:32:53.220 others

00:32:53.620 of spreading misinformation

00:32:54.540 you need to start asking

00:32:56.380 your misinformation

00:32:58.440 experts

00:32:59.540 that you love so much

00:33:01.120 why are they such cowards?

00:33:03.600 Knowing now

00:33:04.280 that their science

00:33:05.160 says that they should

00:33:06.040 be engaging us

00:33:06.800 in public discussion

00:33:07.700 why are they not doing so?

00:33:09.720 To me, Tamara

00:33:10.480 this is the equivalent

00:33:11.460 of me

00:33:12.440 claiming

00:33:13.300 that I'm the fastest

00:33:14.360 person in the world.

00:33:15.660 You know,

00:33:15.980 the fastest sprinter

00:33:16.840 100 meters

00:33:17.460 I'm the fastest.

00:33:19.180 But you know what?

00:33:19.700 I don't have to race

00:33:20.440 anybody to prove it.

00:33:21.360 I do not have to race

00:33:22.500 anybody to prove it.

00:33:23.300 You know what?

00:33:23.880 If I were to race

00:33:24.640 people tomorrow

00:33:25.320 I'm not going to go

00:33:26.800 to the Olympics

00:33:27.120 and run the 100 meters

00:33:28.080 because I'm worried

00:33:29.740 that there's going

00:33:30.640 to be far

00:33:31.500 left-leaning individuals

00:33:32.860 who are going to be

00:33:33.900 wearing

00:33:34.440 left-leaning slogans

00:33:36.700 on their t-shirts

00:33:37.440 and I don't want

00:33:38.780 to give a platform

00:33:39.520 to spread that information.

00:33:41.820 So how dare I

00:33:42.900 be asked to race them?

00:33:44.380 I'm just simply

00:33:45.000 going to declare

00:33:45.520 that I'm the fastest

00:33:46.280 person in the world

00:33:47.220 and you must accept that.

00:33:49.500 Right?

00:33:49.660 No.

00:33:50.920 Nobody is going

00:33:51.660 to do that.

00:33:52.220 They're going to say

00:33:52.660 really?

00:33:53.080 If you're the fastest

00:33:53.760 and you're so confident

00:33:54.700 go race.

00:33:55.700 Blow them away

00:33:56.340 and there'll be

00:33:57.300 nobody questioning it.

00:33:58.920 And this is what

00:33:59.400 we have to do

00:33:59.980 with these people

00:34:00.580 accusing us of tomorrow.

00:34:02.620 For those who support them

00:34:03.800 the people you're supporting

00:34:06.280 are cowards

00:34:07.000 and if they really

00:34:08.580 do know what the truth is

00:34:09.680 and they really have

00:34:10.700 the overall weight

00:34:11.320 of the science

00:34:11.780 on their side

00:34:12.420 then guess what?

00:34:13.240 They can get up

00:34:13.680 in a public discussion

00:34:14.520 and they can destroy

00:34:15.780 those of us

00:34:16.500 once and for all

00:34:17.460 who are

00:34:18.220 they're accusing

00:34:19.000 of spreading misinformation.

00:34:20.360 I can guarantee

00:34:20.880 tomorrow we know

00:34:21.780 you and I know

00:34:22.380 the reason why

00:34:23.240 they're not doing this

00:34:23.940 the reason why

00:34:24.460 they're pretending

00:34:25.060 and they're ignoring

00:34:26.340 their own science

00:34:27.040 is because they know

00:34:27.980 that when it comes

00:34:28.640 to COVID-19 science

00:34:29.940 and the way

00:34:30.860 that they've been pushing

00:34:32.400 the misinformation experts

00:34:35.760 the ones spreading

00:34:36.800 the misinformation

00:34:37.440 when it comes to COVID-19

00:34:38.780 they know

00:34:39.580 so for example

00:34:40.200 they know if they get up

00:34:41.300 and they are going

00:34:41.800 to have a public discussion

00:34:42.620 with me about vaccines

00:34:43.680 and children

00:34:44.220 or natural immunity

00:34:45.260 that they are going

00:34:46.340 to be absolutely blown away

00:34:47.760 and they will lose

00:34:48.520 their platform

00:34:49.560 but we need to hold

00:34:51.020 these people to account.

00:34:52.880 That's right

00:34:53.040 well and it seems like

00:34:54.000 the backfire effect

00:34:55.300 would actually backfire

00:34:57.300 on the messengers

00:34:58.640 of the consensus

00:34:59.780 rather than

00:35:01.360 the messengers

00:35:02.200 of the science

00:35:03.940 and the evidence

00:35:04.600 and the data

00:35:05.140 that's come to fruition

00:35:06.360 over the last few years.

00:35:08.220 Just in closing

00:35:09.220 Dr. Bridal

00:35:09.900 I saw that you were part

00:35:11.440 of a European Parliament

00:35:12.780 discussion last week

00:35:15.080 during the third annual

00:35:16.280 COVID summit

00:35:17.120 that took place

00:35:17.940 and you really put

00:35:18.940 a call out

00:35:19.700 and placed importance

00:35:21.380 on the media

00:35:22.140 and their ability

00:35:23.300 to amplify

00:35:24.200 or as we've seen

00:35:26.360 over the last three years

00:35:27.380 squash

00:35:28.300 any sort of

00:35:29.760 robust debate

00:35:30.520 or discussion

00:35:31.040 in this arena.

00:35:32.460 So just in closing

00:35:33.600 what is the media's role here

00:35:36.640 and how could

00:35:37.620 for instance

00:35:38.080 the mainstream media

00:35:39.000 correct the trajectory

00:35:40.680 of how we move forward

00:35:43.260 with this idea

00:35:44.300 of the science

00:35:45.760 and trusting it

00:35:46.800 and especially

00:35:49.020 in light of

00:35:49.960 the concerning

00:35:51.480 liberal legislation

00:35:52.980 in terms of

00:35:54.500 internet regulation

00:35:55.500 and censoring

00:35:56.880 anyone deemed

00:35:58.020 as a misinformation spreader?

00:36:01.500 Yeah.

00:36:01.840 So yes

00:36:02.740 I've been watching this

00:36:04.140 with great concern

00:36:04.880 and it ties in

00:36:05.780 with all this idea

00:36:06.640 of misinformation.

00:36:07.280 so before I

00:36:11.020 directly tackle

00:36:11.860 the media issue

00:36:13.060 let me just highlight

00:36:13.720 why this is so

00:36:14.740 so very concerning.

00:36:17.240 In Canada

00:36:18.160 the misinformation

00:36:19.840 the people

00:36:20.440 who claim to be

00:36:21.240 the misinformation experts

00:36:22.560 right

00:36:22.880 across the country

00:36:24.480 they've started

00:36:26.400 holding discussions

00:36:27.320 about what to do

00:36:28.320 about their

00:36:29.700 perceived spread

00:36:30.520 of misinformation

00:36:31.140 and there's actually

00:36:32.840 been talk

00:36:33.480 of criminalizing

00:36:34.340 the spread of misinformation

00:36:35.680 and fining people

00:36:36.720 for it

00:36:37.180 and now

00:36:37.740 this is not just

00:36:38.540 theoretical

00:36:38.940 this is very important

00:36:39.940 for your listeners

00:36:40.400 to understand tomorrow

00:36:41.260 public health policy

00:36:43.460 has now just

00:36:44.120 you know

00:36:44.400 a new medical order

00:36:45.380 was just put in place

00:36:46.340 in British Columbia

00:36:47.540 it took effect

00:36:48.900 on May 1st

00:36:49.960 people may not realize

00:36:50.900 this

00:36:51.140 misinformation

00:36:51.620 has already

00:36:52.920 now been criminalized

00:36:54.260 in Canada

00:36:55.180 this is incredible

00:36:56.060 where

00:36:57.020 health professionals

00:36:59.340 from British Columbia

00:37:00.120 if they are deemed

00:37:00.960 by their

00:37:01.540 professional colleges

00:37:03.260 to have spread

00:37:04.040 misinformation

00:37:04.580 they could be

00:37:05.740 get this

00:37:06.120 imprisoned

00:37:06.520 for up to six months

00:37:07.460 and fined

00:37:08.040 up to $200,000

00:37:09.200 so

00:37:10.560 when you start

00:37:12.060 talking about

00:37:12.800 penalizing people 0.72

00:37:13.940 for spreading

00:37:14.400 misinformation

00:37:14.920 the big question

00:37:15.940 becomes then

00:37:16.780 who are the

00:37:17.920 arbiters of truth

00:37:18.940 and Canadians

00:37:19.940 need to be very

00:37:20.620 concerned about this

00:37:21.680 we're talking

00:37:22.540 about going back

00:37:23.340 to the book

00:37:23.960 1984

00:37:24.460 by George Orwell

00:37:25.660 and having the truth

00:37:26.500 police and this

00:37:27.120 kind of thing

00:37:27.640 this is scary

00:37:28.600 so what we need

00:37:29.780 is the media

00:37:30.700 is typically

00:37:31.400 been the source

00:37:32.180 of open discussion

00:37:33.160 open communication

00:37:34.260 allowing dissenting

00:37:35.260 voices

00:37:35.900 allowing Canadians

00:37:37.340 to hear all sides

00:37:39.060 of the argument

00:37:39.780 and decide for

00:37:40.700 themselves

00:37:41.280 you know

00:37:42.280 where they feel

00:37:43.920 the overall weight

00:37:44.920 of the evidence lies

00:37:45.920 and in terms of

00:37:47.340 how do we fix

00:37:47.900 mainstream media

00:37:48.600 I honestly don't know

00:37:49.460 tomorrow

00:37:49.760 I mean if we're

00:37:50.800 going to fix it

00:37:51.280 there needs to be

00:37:51.880 a massive overhaul

00:37:52.960 first of all

00:37:53.580 I would say

00:37:54.100 we have to take

00:37:55.240 out of their hands

00:37:56.140 the massive amount

00:37:57.260 of federal funds

00:37:58.220 that are being

00:37:58.700 funneled their way

00:37:59.520 they need to

00:38:00.640 because everybody

00:38:01.700 tends to have this

00:38:02.780 has a tendency

00:38:03.520 to not bite the

00:38:04.880 hand that feeds it

00:38:05.640 and so with

00:38:06.260 mainstream media

00:38:07.040 if we want them

00:38:08.020 really to serve

00:38:08.600 the best interests

00:38:09.360 of the public

00:38:09.960 they really need

00:38:11.040 to be feeling

00:38:12.660 that their

00:38:13.880 master is the

00:38:15.280 public and not

00:38:16.040 the federal government

00:38:16.960 and especially

00:38:18.400 when you look at

00:38:18.920 what's just happened

00:38:19.540 with this Bill C-11

00:38:20.640 I mean it's incredible

00:38:21.380 right

00:38:21.660 what I'm hearing

00:38:22.860 is that there's

00:38:24.060 already talk

00:38:24.900 about specifically

00:38:26.280 censoring

00:38:26.940 what people would

00:38:28.040 label as

00:38:29.080 conservative

00:38:30.300 or right-wing

00:38:31.620 media

00:38:32.140 for example

00:38:32.720 the possibility

00:38:33.980 of disallowing

00:38:35.000 Canadians

00:38:35.460 from having access

00:38:36.380 to Fox News

00:38:37.200 in the United States

00:38:38.000 it's interesting

00:38:38.700 because if you're

00:38:40.080 wanting to go

00:38:40.540 to one extreme

00:38:41.580 why wouldn't you

00:38:42.300 take all the extremes

00:38:43.240 so why aren't they

00:38:44.060 talking about

00:38:44.500 banning CNN

00:38:45.160 is that because

00:38:46.200 we have a liberal

00:38:46.980 government in power

00:38:47.780 now

00:38:48.100 I mean if we had

00:38:49.020 a conservative

00:38:49.520 government in power

00:38:50.780 I wouldn't want

00:38:51.520 to hear them saying

00:38:52.480 that we're going

00:38:53.100 to disallow Canadians 1.00

00:38:54.100 from accessing

00:38:55.040 CNN

00:38:55.920 right

00:38:56.780 I believe we should

00:38:57.520 have open communication

00:38:58.360 everybody's welcome

00:38:59.120 to have their views

00:39:00.060 and opinions

00:39:00.580 so when we're

00:39:02.140 looking at criminalizing

00:39:03.160 people with

00:39:04.120 spread misinformation

00:39:04.660 and now starting

00:39:05.520 to shut down

00:39:06.240 the spectrum

00:39:06.860 of information

00:39:07.580 that Canadians

00:39:08.100 are exposed to

00:39:08.940 we're reaching

00:39:09.700 very very very

00:39:10.700 dangerous territory

00:39:11.640 and people have

00:39:12.360 to stand up

00:39:13.000 because I don't care

00:39:14.660 where your views

00:39:15.320 and thoughts are

00:39:15.920 where your political

00:39:16.700 leanings are

00:39:18.220 if you heard

00:39:20.340 this is going

00:39:23.180 to affect everybody

00:39:24.040 right

00:39:24.320 because there's

00:39:24.680 going to come

00:39:25.040 a time

00:39:25.500 where every

00:39:26.060 individual

00:39:26.540 has an area

00:39:28.200 that's

00:39:28.780 for which

00:39:29.460 they're particularly

00:39:30.080 passionate about

00:39:31.040 and for which

00:39:32.040 they hold

00:39:32.520 particularly

00:39:32.920 passionate views

00:39:33.960 and guess what

00:39:34.880 if those views

00:39:35.940 are deemed

00:39:36.980 unacceptable

00:39:38.120 by whoever

00:39:39.040 the arbiters

00:39:39.740 of truth are

00:39:40.480 at that point

00:39:41.020 in time

00:39:41.580 right

00:39:42.200 then the gun

00:39:42.800 is going

00:39:43.000 to be facing

00:39:43.520 them

00:39:43.740 they're going

00:39:44.020 to be looking

00:39:44.300 down the barrel

00:39:44.940 of the gun

00:39:45.420 they're going

00:39:45.820 to be looking

00:39:46.180 at potentially

00:39:46.780 being labeled

00:39:47.380 a criminal

00:39:47.880 for the spreading

00:39:48.700 of misinformation

00:39:49.340 so it's very

00:39:50.480 dangerous

00:39:51.020 tomorrow

00:39:51.600 this is a very

00:39:52.200 important topic

00:39:52.880 for us to be

00:39:53.420 discussing right now

00:39:54.240 absolutely

00:39:54.860 and it's a slippery

00:39:55.560 slope

00:39:55.920 so I look forward

00:39:56.860 to continuing

00:39:57.600 efforts on this

00:39:58.360 file and thank

00:39:59.300 you for your

00:39:59.680 work and of course

00:40:00.500 for joining me

00:40:01.380 on the rebel

00:40:01.780 platform to share

00:40:02.880 your findings

00:40:03.740 and the actual

00:40:04.740 science and

00:40:06.160 seeing how the

00:40:07.280 real world data

00:40:08.100 continues to

00:40:08.900 validate and

00:40:09.480 confirm the

00:40:10.380 concerns that you

00:40:11.100 tried alerting

00:40:11.900 the public to

00:40:12.640 two very long

00:40:14.160 years ago

00:40:15.040 it was my

00:40:16.420 pleasure

00:40:16.640 thanks tomorrow

00:40:17.200 and for all

00:40:18.160 of our

00:40:18.420 viewers at

00:40:18.960 home stay

00:40:19.420 tuned as we

00:40:20.280 will read

00:40:20.960 some comments

00:40:21.660 from earlier's

00:40:22.400 live stream

00:40:22.980 next

00:40:23.520 comments from

00:40:36.060 earlier's live

00:40:37.080 stream hosted

00:40:37.960 by David Menzies

00:40:38.960 and myself

00:40:39.580 we had a comment

00:40:40.380 from Gary

00:40:41.180 Wabershik 0.98

00:40:42.280 I'm hope I'm

00:40:42.900 pronouncing that

00:40:43.460 correctly

00:40:43.800 who says

00:40:45.100 more moms 0.51

00:40:45.880 are building

00:40:46.420 careers

00:40:47.020 because one

00:40:48.620 income is no

00:40:49.520 longer enough

00:40:50.520 and that was

00:40:51.740 the sentiments

00:40:52.220 that I expressed

00:40:53.040 exactly in

00:40:54.000 today's live

00:40:54.980 stream

00:40:55.260 where I spoke

00:40:57.040 about how

00:40:57.960 it's no longer

00:40:59.500 feasible for

00:41:02.200 a family to

00:41:03.660 survive off of

00:41:04.380 one income

00:41:05.020 and so when the

00:41:05.860 liberals are

00:41:06.300 campaigning on

00:41:07.020 this idea that

00:41:07.760 there's ten dollars

00:41:08.540 a day daycare

00:41:09.700 and that this is a

00:41:10.300 good thing

00:41:10.860 I wonder how

00:41:12.220 much quality

00:41:13.340 childcare is being

00:41:14.280 sacrificed at the

00:41:15.060 expense of ten

00:41:15.720 dollar a day

00:41:16.320 daycare and also

00:41:17.860 would like to

00:41:18.860 know what

00:41:19.960 policies are in

00:41:20.640 place to help

00:41:21.860 facilitate parents

00:41:23.000 and mothers who 1.00

00:41:24.320 would like to stay

00:41:25.260 home to raise

00:41:26.520 their children and

00:41:27.640 rear their family

00:41:28.480 and not be faced

00:41:29.580 with the incessant

00:41:30.760 financial requirements

00:41:32.640 of a two income

00:41:33.620 family which of

00:41:34.380 course just works

00:41:35.480 to generate more

00:41:36.440 taxes and income

00:41:37.720 for the state

00:41:38.300 so next we have

00:41:41.600 Rick James D

00:41:43.160 says do you

00:41:45.020 really want to

00:41:45.820 trust the government

00:41:46.420 to look after your

00:41:47.280 kids for ten bucks

00:41:48.640 a day guaranteed

00:41:50.400 your kid will be

00:41:52.060 talking about drag

00:41:53.060 queen time not 1.00

00:41:54.340 worth it parents

00:41:55.140 make other

00:41:55.920 arrangements that's

00:41:57.040 the other thing

00:41:58.260 that I was trying

00:41:59.300 to get to here

00:42:00.700 in researching

00:42:01.460 this ten dollars

00:42:02.160 a day childcare

00:42:02.820 and sort of what

00:42:04.360 is tax deductible

00:42:05.800 in terms of

00:42:06.380 childcare I

00:42:07.380 discovered that

00:42:08.380 your direct

00:42:09.340 family member

00:42:10.120 if you want to

00:42:10.920 pay them to

00:42:12.000 take care of

00:42:12.620 your children

00:42:13.100 so a grandparent

00:42:14.360 a sibling

00:42:16.120 these payments

00:42:19.300 are not tax

00:42:20.520 refundable so

00:42:21.080 when you pay

00:42:21.600 into childcare

00:42:22.660 whether that be

00:42:23.880 homeschooling or

00:42:24.900 Montessori school

00:42:25.720 or whatever sort

00:42:26.380 of alternative

00:42:26.800 schooling you

00:42:28.000 can claim that

00:42:28.920 on your tax

00:42:29.440 return only if

00:42:31.380 it is not an

00:42:32.260 arm's length

00:42:33.100 financial transfer

00:42:34.240 so if I wanted

00:42:35.180 to pay for

00:42:35.880 instance my

00:42:36.640 parent to look

00:42:38.080 after my

00:42:38.520 children a few

00:42:39.140 days of the

00:42:39.580 week and make

00:42:40.140 it lucrative for

00:42:40.820 them and worth

00:42:41.420 their while and

00:42:42.900 help them in

00:42:43.820 this financial

00:42:44.680 these harsh

00:42:45.780 financial times

00:42:46.860 record inflation

00:42:47.700 if I wanted to

00:42:48.500 give them a

00:42:48.900 small monetary

00:42:49.700 subsidiary for

00:42:51.560 their time to

00:42:52.420 watch my

00:42:52.820 children a few

00:42:53.540 days a week

00:42:54.100 I cannot claim

00:42:55.700 that on my

00:42:56.480 income taxes as

00:42:57.680 a childcare

00:42:58.100 deductible because

00:42:59.520 it's a family

00:43:00.560 member so it's

00:43:01.620 funny that the

00:43:02.220 liberals who claim

00:43:03.060 to be upholding

00:43:04.400 family and

00:43:05.140 wanting to make

00:43:05.880 childcare affordable

00:43:06.700 won't actually

00:43:07.900 let you claim

00:43:09.200 an arm's length

00:43:11.200 care provider

00:43:12.020 at the end of

00:43:13.500 year I find that

00:43:14.680 extremely interesting

00:43:15.880 COVID is a

00:43:17.520 hoax says who

00:43:18.740 cares what the

00:43:19.420 feds say about

00:43:20.300 a non-existent

00:43:21.200 illness intelligent

00:43:22.600 citizens say

00:43:23.620 COVID is a

00:43:24.520 hoax but none

00:43:25.580 of us will ever

00:43:26.340 make the headlines

00:43:27.120 here will we

00:43:28.180 controlled

00:43:28.900 opposition websites

00:43:29.760 will only publish

00:43:30.980 what their

00:43:31.660 precious government

00:43:32.760 tells them to

00:43:34.160 post yeah and

00:43:35.440 I think when I

00:43:36.480 refer to COVID

00:43:37.700 and hysteria and

00:43:39.000 the pandemic what

00:43:39.820 I'm referring to

00:43:41.080 is the way in

00:43:42.400 which we

00:43:42.700 responded to

00:43:44.160 this purported

00:43:45.900 virus and

00:43:47.300 that's not to

00:43:47.920 say that the

00:43:49.540 seniors who

00:43:50.620 were dying in

00:43:51.580 long-term care we

00:43:52.580 know now that

00:43:53.220 many of them

00:43:53.860 passed due to

00:43:55.000 negligence

00:43:55.860 neglect

00:43:56.720 malnutrition

00:43:57.480 there was

00:43:59.000 literally staff

00:44:00.320 were so terrified

00:44:01.280 that they stopped

00:44:02.260 showing up to

00:44:03.540 work to care for

00:44:04.700 these vulnerable

00:44:05.480 elderly patients

00:44:06.760 and so there's a

00:44:08.960 lot of things

00:44:10.160 throughout the

00:44:10.720 COVID pandemic

00:44:11.800 and the narrative

00:44:12.500 that don't make

00:44:13.460 sense and when I

00:44:15.140 when I speak

00:44:16.020 about that it's

00:44:17.260 it's in response

00:44:18.160 to this viral

00:44:20.140 threat that was

00:44:21.800 used as a

00:44:22.780 catalyst to

00:44:24.040 impose

00:44:24.700 totalitarian

00:44:26.260 extreme draconian

00:44:29.580 measures onto the

00:44:30.720 population and so I

00:44:33.240 think that debating

00:44:34.240 COVID as a hoax

00:44:36.820 whether the virus is

00:44:37.840 real the coach

00:44:38.980 postulates whether

00:44:40.080 it's been isolated

00:44:41.240 I think that this is

00:44:42.640 actually just a big

00:44:43.440 distraction because

00:44:44.480 regardless of all of

00:44:46.040 that information we

00:44:47.480 need to continue to

00:44:48.560 scrutinize and

00:44:49.320 criticize and

00:44:50.120 question how the

00:44:52.120 government responds

00:44:53.060 to any sort of

00:44:54.480 threats and

00:44:55.360 whether or not is

00:44:56.180 it whether or not

00:44:57.860 it is appropriate

00:44:58.920 to institute

00:45:01.640 harsh totalitarian

00:45:03.760 measures to

00:45:05.180 quash any threat

00:45:06.660 to our society

00:45:08.380 and so that is

00:45:09.500 where I choose to

00:45:10.420 focus my

00:45:11.280 discussion my

00:45:11.960 research and my

00:45:12.660 efforts I don't

00:45:13.720 want to wade into

00:45:14.660 the weeds of

00:45:16.180 whether of this

00:45:17.820 idea that COVID

00:45:18.580 is a hoax because

00:45:19.360 we've seen a lot of

00:45:20.100 hoaxes over the

00:45:21.200 last few years and

00:45:21.960 I think that

00:45:22.700 dissecting this idea

00:45:24.840 of viruses not being

00:45:25.860 real is part of the

00:45:26.920 distraction thank you

00:45:28.960 for all of our

00:45:29.600 viewers at home for

00:45:30.800 joining us tonight on

00:45:32.440 the Ezra Levant show

00:45:33.280 we will see you same

00:45:34.600 time and place

00:45:35.360 tomorrow night

00:45:51.200 you

00:46:03.820 you

00:46:12.840 you

00:46:12.900 you

00:46:16.500 you

00:46:19.060 you

Rebel News Podcast - May 09, 2023

TAMARA UGOLINI ｜ Big Pharma launches new campaign to mass vaccinate kids

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