Rebel News Podcast - The Cathedral of Notre Dame burns： What happened？ What does it mean？

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00:00:45.580 Tonight, the Cathedral of Notre Dame burns in an inferno.

00:00:49.220 What happened? What does it mean?

00:00:51.360 It's April 16th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:09.660 Tonight is the Alberta provincial election, which we have been covering very closely this past month.

00:01:19.880 But since this show here airs at 8 p.m. Eastern, which is 6 p.m. in Alberta, and the polls don't close there until two hours later,

00:01:27.800 I'm going to talk about something else today since we've pretty much done all of our speculating and guesstimating above the election already.

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00:01:59.540 It's going to be pretty exciting.

00:02:00.600 Sheila Gunn-Reed and Kian Bexty will be in Calgary at Jason Kenney's election night event, and I'll be here in Toronto.

00:02:07.000 And we'll start it all at 7.45 p.m. Alberta time, which is 9.45 p.m. out east.

00:02:12.160 All right.

00:02:12.840 So that's for all of you who want to watch as Rachel Donnelly is finally removed from office.

00:02:17.600 So let me talk about something else that is in the news that is much bigger than political parties or the daily quarrels of life.

00:02:24.820 I mean, the stunning fire that consumed one of the finest cathedrals in the world,

00:02:28.040 the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris yesterday.

00:02:31.880 Now, the Eiffel Tower is a symbol of modern France, though it's almost 150 years old.

00:02:36.340 You see it, you immediately think Paris.

00:02:38.500 It's the world's most photographed object, they say.

00:02:42.060 The Arc de Triomphe, whose construction started more than 200 years ago, is a stunning edifice, too.

00:02:47.880 A monument to France's past greatness militarily.

00:02:51.420 That's what it means, the military triumphs of the country.

00:02:54.320 Do you know someone once flew an airplane through it?

00:02:56.240 Notre Dame Cathedral, though, is the foundation for all of it, for all of Paris, for all of France.

00:03:03.040 It is the French pillar of Western civilization.

00:03:07.360 The history of the West is the history of Christianity. 0.94

00:03:10.860 And while the Vatican in Rome is the house of the Catholic faith,

00:03:14.320 as was Constantinople and the mighty Hagia Sophia Church before it was conquered by Islam and turned into a mighty mosque, 0.65

00:03:21.840 Notre Dame must surely rank as one of the most important cathedrals, the outposts of Christianity in France and beyond.

00:03:28.920 A thousand years, nearly, the foundation stone was laid by the Pope in the year 1163.

00:03:36.380 It took more than a hundred years to finish building it.

00:03:40.180 Four generations of workers.

00:03:42.380 It's massive.

00:03:42.960 It's a staggering feat of architecture and art.

00:03:45.340 It has many little chapels and nooks, treasure troves, hidden passages, hidden staircases.

00:03:50.660 The narrow path up to the top leads to a stunning view of Paris down below.

00:03:55.240 It's amazing today.

00:03:57.320 It's inconceivable how impressive it must have been during the Middle Ages.

00:04:01.060 It truly would have been a wonder of the world.

00:04:02.960 In fact, I think it still is.

00:04:04.940 It became the setting for the Victor Hugo novel, The Hunchback of Notre Dame,

00:04:09.720 which has been turned into so many plays and movies since, including a Disney version, of course.

00:04:14.680 It has been renovated, the church, and rebuilt countless times since its original construction.

00:04:21.060 The enormous spire that fell so tragically yesterday was only several hundred years old.

00:04:29.120 The mighty oak roof was original, though.

00:04:31.040 Those trees would have already been three or four hundred years old when they were harvested to build the mighty roof,

00:04:37.020 an estimated 12,000 trees, a whole forest.

00:04:40.000 It took a century to build this thing.

00:04:41.780 That roof was from trees that grew a thousand years ago.

00:04:46.580 Here's what Bernard-Henri Levy, the French author, said of the place.

00:04:51.520 Notre Dame de Paris is really one of the beating hearts of the French civilization.

00:04:56.180 How can you rebuild eight or nine centuries of history?

00:04:58.800 How can you rebuild the tears, the whispers, and the memories of a whole country and of the whole civilization?

00:05:04.880 I think they will rebuild.

00:05:06.120 So far, several French billionaires have stepped forward with pledges of hundreds of millions of dollars,

00:05:11.240 and thankfully, the stone walls of the church seem to be sturdy,

00:05:14.780 and other parts of the church down below, the main blaze was on the oak roof.

00:05:20.620 I don't know if you remember.

00:05:21.820 I didn't remember until I was reminded of it.

00:05:23.880 About 25 years ago, Windsor Castle burnt.

00:05:27.480 And it looked as shocking as the Notre Dame fire, almost.

00:05:30.920 But within a couple of years, it was refurbished and rebuilt with craftsmen and the horror.

00:05:38.360 And I guess it gave way to redemption.

00:05:42.760 Gave Brits a new connection to the royals to rebuild it.

00:05:45.800 They opened the doors to it.

00:05:47.040 And that was just history in the monarch.

00:05:50.800 This is history and monarchy and faith and civilization itself and far older.

00:05:55.560 This is everything for France.

00:05:57.260 There were relics in that church that date back to Jesus himself.

00:06:02.280 The crown of thorns brought to France nearly a thousand years ago is believed to be the preserved crown of thorns that Jesus himself wore.

00:06:14.240 The cathedral is an important symbol, but there was no one killed yesterday, thankfully.

00:06:18.800 One firefighter was injured.

00:06:20.400 But still, it had the gutting, shocking feeling of a sort of 9-11, a symbol of the Christian West itself being burnt. 0.58

00:06:28.360 Which is why it was no surprise to those of us who follow such things that the Arabic language chat by French Muslims on news pages and Facebook pages was jubilant.

00:06:39.840 Look at all these comments from a French news Facebook post.

00:06:43.740 All the celebration, all the happy faces, the emojis, the jubilation at the burning of a mighty Christian church. 0.95

00:06:53.240 They know there's a meaning here more than just bricks and stones.

00:06:57.440 Just two months ago, by the way, another mighty French church, Saint-Sulpice, was burnt too.

00:07:02.220 Police say that was deliberately set.

00:07:04.180 Arson.

00:07:04.440 It's true that fires can happen by accident in old buildings, especially.

00:07:09.280 Most fires are accidental.

00:07:11.320 Some are arson of the mere criminal variety, but it is also a tool of terrorism.

00:07:16.880 In 2016, there was an ISIS plot to blow up the Notre Dame Cathedral.

00:07:22.620 Now, that was foiled.

00:07:24.400 In fact, a terrorist from that plot was sentenced just a few weeks ago.

00:07:28.600 Was it terrorism?

00:07:29.800 Terrorism.

00:07:31.540 Immediate talking points on French TV said that this was a construction accident, not arson, certainly not terrorism.

00:07:38.320 But how could that possibly be determined before the fire was even put out?

00:07:43.260 How could that be immediately known?

00:07:46.080 Contrary reports say there was, in fact, no construction at that time.

00:07:49.560 It'll take some days or weeks for the facts to come out.

00:07:52.600 If it's like the mass shooting in Las Vegas, it'll take years, if ever.

00:07:56.220 But the immediate reflex of politicians to rule out arson or Muslim terrorism has become sort of like a reverse boy crying wolf. 0.71

00:08:05.440 You know, that parable.

00:08:06.760 The boy falsely cried wolf so often that soon no one believed him.

00:08:10.040 And one day a wolf did truly come.

00:08:12.720 Here we have the reverse.

00:08:14.480 The media and politicians reflexively say, nothing to see here.

00:08:17.440 No wolf here.

00:08:18.360 There is no wolf here.

00:08:19.580 Before they even know when there so evidently sometimes is a wolf, when someone calls out Allah Akbar, when an ISIS flag is found, when it's so manifest, we have the reverse of the boy who cries wolf.

00:08:30.840 We have someone saying, no wolf.

00:08:32.780 There's no wolf.

00:08:33.660 But too often there is a wolf.

00:08:35.220 And so we no longer trust those who we need to trust.

00:08:39.520 I don't know the facts of Notre Dame's fire.

00:08:41.840 I don't know.

00:08:42.380 But I know that Emmanuel Macron, the French president, his approval ratings are in the 20% range.

00:08:48.460 Last I saw, 23% of French approve of him.

00:08:51.060 He's hated.

00:08:52.440 This picture here shows him with his wife and fancy friends drinking what I understand is a $2,000 bottle of wine in a mountain chalet.

00:09:00.460 This sort of lifestyle doesn't help.

00:09:02.180 While he inflicts carbon taxes on the little people, the yellow vest protests are in their eighth month, I believe.

00:09:07.180 He's on the defense of people who don't trust him.

00:09:09.260 And he failed yesterday.

00:09:11.560 The greatest treasure in France was burnt.

00:09:14.860 It was from neglect, if it was from neglect and carelessness.

00:09:18.420 That's almost as bad as if it were from malice and arson and terrorism.

00:09:21.860 None of it looks good on Macron, whether it was an accident or arson.

00:09:26.560 But I think he would have a political motive to lie about it if, for example, it had been done by, if it were arson,

00:09:33.780 if it were a terror attack committed by someone known to security, then it would be terrible if that came out, wouldn't it?

00:09:39.900 But again, this is all speculation.

00:09:41.100 I regret that we will likely never know all the facts.

00:09:43.260 We have sent Jack Buckby and Martina Marcotta to Paris to see what they can find and to interview people on the street and see if they can get other interviews and information.

00:09:52.760 They landed there this morning.

00:09:54.200 You can see their first videos at rebelparis.com.

00:09:57.180 And you can ship in there to cover the cost of their economy class airfare.

00:10:02.740 We sent them on the very first train this morning.

00:10:04.980 I think they're flying back.

00:10:06.060 If you want to help out, you can go to rebelparis.com.

00:10:08.300 All their videos will be on that page as well.

00:10:10.680 Now, accident or arson, I do not know.

00:10:12.380 But I do know that this has caused a hole in the heart of France.

00:10:16.300 It is a symbol of decay of the West, how the West is falling, how the West's enemies are jubilant, how a coalition of militant progressives who hate the church from the left are allied with soft or hard jihadists.

00:10:30.660 We don't know which.

00:10:31.320 It's a sad day.

00:10:33.160 And you don't have to be French or Catholic to feel it.

00:10:38.480 Stay with us for more.

00:10:39.460 Stay with us for more.

00:11:09.460 And of course, the Liberals don't care much about it, only having, what is it, one MP from there, if my memory serves.

00:11:17.160 But now that Ontario has Doug Ford as the premier, they have a much bigger battle on their hands.

00:11:25.000 And in fact, that battle is now being waged in the Ontario Court of Appeal, where the province of Ontario is challenging the constitutionality of Trudeau's carbon tax.

00:11:36.960 And I understand there are also interveners in that court from other provinces.

00:11:40.980 Well, I'm delighted to say that our friend Andrew Lawton is in the courthouse at the Court of Ontario in downtown Toronto.

00:11:49.700 He's been covering it for the True North Report, which is, of course, run by our friend Candace Malcolm.

00:11:57.000 Andrew joins us now via Skype.

00:11:58.640 He's back at his hotel room from the trial.

00:12:00.980 Thanks for taking a few minutes to talk with us, Andrew.

00:12:03.860 Absolutely.

00:12:04.460 Yes.

00:12:04.660 Lawyers are good for many things, but not having a good Internet connection.

00:12:07.280 So I bolted away from the action for a couple of moments to chat with you, but I appreciate the time.

00:12:11.840 Well, come on.

00:12:12.400 We appreciate you.

00:12:13.540 I know it's so busy.

00:12:14.600 I remember you were with me in London, England, live tweeting the trial of Tommy Robinson.

00:12:20.740 So I know you're skilled at covering court cases.

00:12:24.420 Set the scene for our viewers a little bit.

00:12:27.340 How many lawyers, how many parties are there in this courthouse at the Ontario Court of Appeal?

00:12:34.100 Well, the event is being held at Osgoode Hall, the actual hearing here.

00:12:39.800 And if anyone's ever been to their main courtroom, it has a room that seats a few dozen people.

00:12:44.660 But what's interesting is that there are so many lawyers involved that media and the general public have actually been relegated to a different room.

00:12:52.260 And there's a video stream that we're watching because there are so many lawyers because of how many parties are involved that are taking up the space in that main room.

00:13:00.500 Now, in the actual reference, there are just two parties.

00:13:03.720 The government of Ontario and the government of Canada.

00:13:06.360 But the interventions are quite significant in this.

00:13:09.480 Not only do you have several provinces that are intervening, British Columbia is intervening to support the federal carbon tax.

00:13:16.420 And then the governments of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and New Brunswick are opposing.

00:13:20.820 Another element that I find interesting is that the United Conservatives of Alberta are intervening.

00:13:27.320 Now, the Alberta government opted against pursuing intervener status, but the United Conservatives will be presenting their argument tomorrow.

00:13:36.040 And the interesting thing about that is that they may find out tonight that they're going to be the government of Alberta,

00:13:42.020 which will certainly give the arguments they're planning on putting forward tomorrow a little bit more heft because we'll have yet again another province joining the crusade against Justin Trudeau and his carbon tax.

00:13:53.700 Isn't that interesting?

00:13:54.700 Now, of course, as we know, an election happens and the winner of that election, I think, is called the premier designate, sort of like in the States when you win, you're the president elect.

00:14:06.360 But there's a transition period.

00:14:07.600 So, Jason Kenney will not actually be the premier of Alberta tomorrow, in fact, but he will be as good as the premier.

00:14:15.580 So, I think you're so right.

00:14:16.840 His party's arguments will have more heft.

00:14:19.680 Now, I understand also the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is intervening.

00:14:23.580 Are there any other groups intervening on behalf of the tax?

00:14:28.260 Well, pretty much everyone is intervening on behalf of the tax, with the exception of the provincial governments I just mentioned

00:14:34.560 and the United Conservatives and the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:14:38.420 A lot of the interveners, there are nine, I believe, are coming at this from a pro-carbon tax perspective.

00:14:44.960 You've got the Environmental Defense Initiative.

00:14:47.640 You've got the Intergenerational Climate Change Group.

00:14:50.960 You've got a lot of the Suzuki Foundation, which I know is one of your favorites, Ezra.

00:14:54.960 But you've got all of these groups that are pushing for a carbon tax.

00:14:58.580 But what's fascinating about this is that the scope of the discussion was laid out very clearly by both the Canadian government and the Ontario government.

00:15:07.720 And that is that we're not debating policy here.

00:15:10.260 That's the job of legislators.

00:15:11.740 We're debating the constitutionality of it.

00:15:14.360 But what's interesting is that the pro-carbon tax side of this has drifted into debating policy a few times.

00:15:20.980 For example, the federal lawyer, when speaking today, spoke about the urgency and necessity of action against climate change.

00:15:29.480 A lot of the factum submissions by the pro-carbon tax interveners very similarly are speaking about the urgency of climate action.

00:15:37.580 Well, the fact is, this is a question of jurisdiction, not of urgency.

00:15:41.400 Right.

00:15:41.540 And whether you agree with a carbon tax or not, what's being discussed here is whether that's the right of the province or the federal government to decide, not whether it's good or bad policy.

00:15:52.420 That's a great point.

00:15:53.600 I was watching some reports from the courthouse where it sounds like the federal government and these pro-tax interveners want to talk, you know, like David Suzuki talks, we must save our planet.

00:16:06.400 But that's not, you know, we're not having a TV debate here.

00:16:10.140 We're not having a presentation to junior high school kids about their feelings.

00:16:15.160 This is about constitutional matters.

00:16:16.960 And of course, it is a fact that Ontario has actually reduced its greenhouse gas emissions.

00:16:22.220 If that's something you care about, if that's something you're worried about, they've actually reduced them quite a bit.

00:16:27.660 And I think that is a legal factor that's much more important than the dreamy stuff.

00:16:34.260 Because if Ontario, I mean, there's so many different layers here.

00:16:37.940 There's the constitutional layer.

00:16:39.280 There is a, is it pressing?

00:16:40.820 Is it, is Ontario doing enough on its own if you think it should be doing anything?

00:16:45.040 I don't know.

00:16:46.660 How have the judges been?

00:16:48.420 I know it's dangerous to take a judge's questions as an indication of their actual belief,

00:16:54.220 because they could just be testing, poking, prodding, trying to make the lawyers earn their, you know,

00:16:59.940 keep by, by fleshing out their arguments.

00:17:03.200 Tell me about some of the judges' questions for these advocates.

00:17:07.160 Well, one of the big questions that came up yesterday when the Ontario government was putting forward its

00:17:12.600 effective challenge of the federal carbon tax, the questions were fairly subdued,

00:17:17.940 but they were coming at it from really the perspective of, OK, well, if not a carbon price, what?

00:17:24.240 And Ontario was actually trying to say, no, no, no, we agree that climate change is a threat.

00:17:28.820 We agree that greenhouse gases are causing it.

00:17:31.600 But here's what we're doing instead.

00:17:33.140 What was interesting today when Canada was doing its submission was how about three of the five justices

00:17:40.580 at one point were, I'll say, ganging up, and I don't mean it in a malicious sense,

00:17:44.820 but all trying to press her for an answer on a very key constitutional question.

00:17:49.680 And that question is, OK, if we say that the federal government has the jurisdiction

00:17:53.680 over climate change and greenhouse gas emissions because it's a national concern,

00:17:59.500 and this is a legal doctrine that the federal government is trying to establish,

00:18:03.240 if the federal government can claim jurisdictions on greenhouse gases,

00:18:07.020 how can it not claim jurisdiction on anything that causes greenhouse gases?

00:18:12.120 And the argument that Ontario put forward was, OK, if the federal government says that it has a new

00:18:17.020 head of power to raining greenhouse gas emissions, it will also, by extension,

00:18:21.740 be able to regulate whether you can drive a car, whether you can have a wood fire stove,

00:18:27.620 how much you can heat your home, or stuff like that.

00:18:29.740 And these are exceptional examples.

00:18:32.020 But basically, the Ontario government is trying to say there's a slippery slope here.

00:18:36.400 And today, the justices were pushing for the federal lawyer to articulate where she thinks

00:18:41.960 that limit would end.

00:18:43.440 And she couldn't give an answer.

00:18:44.920 And effectively, what she said was, well, just trust us.

00:18:48.040 And well, we've got to hope that the act will constrain itself.

00:18:51.220 And I'm sorry, I have a lot of trust in certain people,

00:18:54.100 but the federal government is not one of those entities that I'll just sit idly by when it says,

00:18:58.520 no, no, no, we'll just trust us to stay within our limits.

00:19:01.120 Yeah. Well, I mean, Justin Trudeau himself has said it repeatedly and

00:19:04.980 fairly candidly, that his whole purpose is to get Canadians to make different

00:19:10.380 choices, as in don't heat your house, don't drive a car, don't take a vacation.

00:19:16.400 You know, he's very clear that the purpose of a carbon tax is to be a social engineer,

00:19:21.840 behavioral engineer.

00:19:22.960 So all these, you know, slippery slope arguments, they're not paranoia.

00:19:27.800 That's the whole rationale for the plan.

00:19:31.400 The whole point of a carbon tax is to dissuade you from using carbon.

00:19:37.060 Not just politically, Ezra, but that is actually a key part of the legal defense that the federal

00:19:42.040 government has been employing here, that it is a regulatory charge aimed at changing behavior.

00:19:49.060 And this is where things got a bit into the weeds yesterday.

00:19:51.580 If a government is going to levy a tax, there's a constitutional mechanism it needs to follow,

00:19:57.500 which didn't happen.

00:19:58.600 This legislation was not delineated to put a tax forward.

00:20:02.540 It was a regulatory charge.

00:20:04.720 And to do that, the government has to prove one of two things.

00:20:07.740 Number one, that it's trying to impact behavior.

00:20:10.780 So that's actually part of its defense here, that, you know, the worst fears of Canadians,

00:20:15.440 that this was social engineering.

00:20:16.840 That's actually the government's legal strategy.

00:20:20.180 Well, let me ask you this, because, you know, there can be legal cases and there can be

00:20:26.980 scientific cases.

00:20:28.680 But at the end of the day, a government is what the people want.

00:20:32.220 And I must tell you, Andrew, a couple of years ago, I was very pessimistic.

00:20:36.040 I thought there's no chance this can be stopped.

00:20:38.820 Everybody's for a carbon tax, including some voices in the Conservative Party at the time.

00:20:42.500 Patrick Brown, Michael Chong, Preston Manning himself.

00:20:47.640 You had so-called think tanks like the Eco-Fiscal Commission.

00:20:52.060 You had that they were trying to recruit conservatives.

00:20:55.220 And it looked pretty bleak.

00:20:56.680 But now the pendulum is swinging back.

00:20:58.920 At the end of the day, I think this comes down to voters, especially in Ontario and even

00:21:04.620 maybe not so much Quebec, but Ontario.

00:21:08.340 Do you think this is going to be stopped?

00:21:10.280 Do you think this can be repealed?

00:21:11.360 Well, it was repealed in Australia.

00:21:13.200 So I know it can happen.

00:21:14.900 A carbon tax comes in and then it's rooted out.

00:21:18.080 If you had to use your crystal ball, how is this going to end?

00:21:22.860 Well, I think there's a lot of truth in what you've said there, Ezra.

00:21:25.960 And one of the key things is that, well, this is a constitutional question now.

00:21:30.500 And I think that's important because I do think the federal government's powers need to

00:21:33.760 be constrained.

00:21:34.940 That is a moot point if Justin Trudeau loses the election and Andrew Scheer, who's committed

00:21:40.080 to repealing the carbon taxes in there and does that, just as cap and trades constitutionality

00:21:45.580 in Ontario was a moot point when Doug Ford came in and said, we're going to get rid of

00:21:49.440 it.

00:21:49.560 So if there is enough of a backlash, it is irrelevant as far as this case goes, because you're right,

00:21:57.540 the people will have spoken against it.

00:21:58.980 And you look at how many provinces are really opposing this.

00:22:02.420 It isn't just Saskatchewan.

00:22:03.620 It's Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, even Quebec to some extent now, New Brunswick and

00:22:09.420 PEI.

00:22:10.120 We're talking about seven provinces in confederation that have drawn a line in the sand now compared

00:22:15.600 to just a couple of years ago, one prairie province.

00:22:18.480 And of course, we love Saskatchewan, but politically is what I'm talking about to have the heft of

00:22:24.120 the allies joining.

00:22:25.420 And of course, as you point out, tonight's election in Alberta, you know, taking on national

00:22:33.660 challenges like this, I mean, there was a certain argument for the GST.

00:22:37.760 There's certain arguments for national programs.

00:22:39.700 I think, especially as Canada teeters on the edge of a recession, as unemployment ticks up

00:22:45.920 a tiny bit, as the economy slows down, as the bloom comes off the rose for Trudeau, I

00:22:51.980 think, you know, eat your spinach.

00:22:54.820 This tax is good for you morally.

00:22:57.620 I just don't know how that's going to sell.

00:23:00.060 And I don't think Trudeau has the pizzazz he did four years ago.

00:23:05.640 Do you, they seem to think it's a winner.

00:23:08.760 Every hour I see Catherine McKenna trying to go on the offense about it, but I just see 0.99

00:23:14.580 the price of the pumps and I think, I don't think it's a winner for them.

00:23:17.100 Do you think they must have polling that shows it's a winner?

00:23:19.660 Because it's all they're talking about, I think.

00:23:22.620 Well, you know, I'm not sure that they do have polling.

00:23:25.660 I think at a certain point they're, as they say, pot committed, where they've invested

00:23:29.740 so much into this that they can't really back away now.

00:23:32.580 You just have to go all in and hope for the best.

00:23:35.220 You know, the government sent out to every Canadian in one of the, in Ontario anyway, 0.89

00:23:40.340 this little card talking about how much they were going to get back on the climate action

00:23:44.360 incentive, which is basically trying to bribe Canadians with their own money that was going

00:23:49.260 to be collected through a carbon tax revenue.

00:23:52.420 And the fact is that if it is revenue neutral, there has to be a winner and a loser in that.

00:23:58.260 And the idea that we could take someone who lives in downtown Toronto and walks to work

00:24:03.280 and has a carbon footprint the size of a dime, and give them the same amount as someone in Ottawa

00:24:08.780 who's a long haul trucker who put thousands and thousands of dollars of fuel in his truck every

00:24:13.800 year just to, you know, feed his family.

00:24:15.840 The idea that both of those people are going to get that same couple hundred dollars is actually

00:24:20.540 quite offensive because we are seeing a government here that is trying to pretend that greenhouse

00:24:25.860 gas emissions are a choice, when in a lot of cases they are a necessity of life that comes

00:24:31.460 along with all of these other things we do in life.

00:24:34.260 Yeah.

00:24:34.740 Second largest country in the world, one of the coldest countries in the world.

00:24:38.000 You need carbon to live.

00:24:40.380 Andrew, I'm so grateful to you for taking time.

00:24:42.360 I know you're so busy and you rushed home from Osgoode Hall, where the court is,

00:24:47.540 to your hotel to do this interview with us.

00:24:50.140 We're very grateful.

00:24:51.600 We look forward to your reports at True North.

00:24:54.440 And that's, what's the website for True North?

00:24:56.920 I don't want to get it wrong.

00:24:57.860 Can you remind me?

00:24:58.360 The easiest one for daily coverage like this is tnc.news, truenorthcanada.news, tnc.news.

00:25:05.640 And that's where you'll find all of my updates on this throughout the week.

00:25:07.920 Thank you very much.

00:25:08.500 I knew it was a .news, T-N-C. 0.85

00:25:12.360 T-N-C.news.

00:25:14.580 All right.

00:25:15.100 Thanks, my friend.

00:25:16.480 Thanks a lot, Ezra.

00:25:17.200 Okay.

00:25:17.540 There's Andrew Lawton.

00:25:18.580 He's with the True North Initiative, tnc.news.

00:25:22.140 And he's at the courthouse.

00:25:23.560 Very interesting case, isn't it?

00:25:25.040 Stay with us.

00:25:25.880 More ahead.

00:25:26.220 Hey, welcome back on my monologue about what Jason Kenney should do in his first days and

00:25:41.240 hours in office.

00:25:41.880 Bob writes,

00:25:42.680 One would hope Kenney would heed this advice, but I'm worried sick about it just not happening.

00:25:50.840 Well, look, I don't know who his transition team is.

00:25:53.700 Because he was a former federal cabinet minister, he surely knows people, both professional political

00:26:00.740 people and lobbyists and help routers and lawyers and staff.

00:26:05.300 So he would have a circle of friends or advisors who could fill those roles and do that homework

00:26:11.640 so that if and when he wins, he'll be ready to go day one.

00:26:14.840 I hope so.

00:26:16.560 Of course, the real question is, what will they be like?

00:26:19.140 Will they be courageous or will they be too afraid of the left-wing media?

00:26:24.820 Liza writes,

00:26:26.280 Charles Adler is the knuckle dragger.

00:26:28.420 I had no idea he was that much of a bottom feeder.

00:26:30.940 Is he hoping for some CBC action in his old age?

00:26:34.600 Liza, it's so funny you say that.

00:26:35.680 I used to know Charles fairly well.

00:26:37.480 I was on his radio show pretty often.

00:26:40.220 And then, of course, we worked together at the Sun News Network.

00:26:43.180 Now, he was based in Winnipeg.

00:26:44.920 I was based in Toronto.

00:26:45.920 So we didn't physically see each other.

00:26:47.700 But there was a sort of a fraternity there.

00:26:51.040 I honestly haven't talked to Charles in a few years.

00:26:53.900 But I do remember him as sort of being a passionate conservative, both parts of that.

00:27:00.340 I think that, I mean, he's just gone mad.

00:27:03.200 I mean, I saw him tweet today that he thinks we should all stop eating meat.

00:27:07.780 And that's the moral thing to do.

00:27:09.160 Like when you're going full pita, it's a little bit kooky, to be honest.

00:27:13.420 And I don't know if he's just having fun, if he's just doing some performance art.

00:27:17.440 If he truly believes that, maybe he does.

00:27:19.700 Or maybe you're right.

00:27:21.300 I mean, look, it is a fact that if you are a radio talent in this country, you can't get work if you're conservative.

00:27:27.340 They've practically been purged from every single radio station in the country.

00:27:31.020 I could probably count the true conservatives on one hand's fingers.

00:27:35.260 And the CBC is the mothership of them all.

00:27:37.280 So, yeah, maybe Charles Adler wants that super contrary.

00:27:40.420 In fact, what was so weird to me is after he had his 30-minute Bash-Kenny interview,

00:27:45.400 he then did interviews about that interview, including with the CBC.

00:27:49.880 Sounds like he was doing some job auditioning to me.

00:27:52.900 I don't know.

00:27:54.000 Here's what I do know.

00:27:56.480 It's not going to make a difference in the election tonight.

00:27:58.900 I would be surprised if a single Albertan voted base.

00:28:01.020 Well, what did Charles Adler tell me to do?

00:28:04.340 Hal writes,

00:28:05.640 Your advice on how to out the NDP holdovers is beyond reproach.

00:28:11.720 Lorne Gunter was the perfect guest.

00:28:13.260 He gave us hope that Jason Kenney will do Albertans proud.

00:28:15.640 Will he govern as a nationalist premier or as a globalist?

00:28:18.960 Well, that's the thing, because, of course, to be a globalist, you have to have certain tools,

00:28:24.940 including foreign policy, immigration, foreign aid, things like that.

00:28:28.800 So the globalists I'm most worried about are the ones in the federal government.

00:28:34.940 Really think about what a premier's top constitutional duties are.

00:28:38.620 Health care, schools, maybe some police and courts and prosecutions.

00:28:43.240 In Alberta, it's so clearly jobs, pipelines, oil and gas.

00:28:46.220 So I don't think that globalism is going to manifest itself,

00:28:49.480 although he does have that weird open borders,

00:28:52.060 let's bring maximum third world immigration to rural Alberta, 1.00

00:28:55.280 which is just really, really weird.

00:28:58.520 And by the way, you don't bring low skill,

00:29:01.520 you don't bring any unemployment, any immigration to high unemployment regions.

00:29:05.820 The reason the men and women of Alberta are unemployed

00:29:07.860 is not because they're low skilled, by the way.

00:29:10.040 It's because there's no jobs.

00:29:10.860 It's actually the most high skilled workforce in Alberta,

00:29:13.320 dumping thousands of Somali migrants in brooks.

00:29:16.860 Ain't going to fix that.

00:29:19.440 John writes,

00:29:20.680 I love how you cover all of Canada.

00:29:22.620 You live in Toronto, but now, but you haven't forgotten about the West.

00:29:25.560 Your strong Alberta and BC coverage keeps me engaged.

00:29:27.960 We are all rebels.

00:29:28.920 Well, John, that's very nice of you to say.

00:29:30.580 I think we do need to cover more things in BC.

00:29:33.300 We do some of that from here and from Alberta.

00:29:36.980 But yeah, I mean, BC is its very own place.

00:29:39.640 I love it there.

00:29:41.020 What a gorgeous, gorgeous province.

00:29:42.480 You're making me homesick for that part.

00:29:44.220 And I'm not even from, that's not even my home.

00:29:46.240 But thank you for your compliment, which I will accept.

00:29:49.840 And in the weeks ahead, we'll have some news

00:29:52.640 about a new position that Kian Bexty is going to fill.

00:29:57.300 You'll just sort of start seeing it.

00:29:58.800 And I think you'll see more coverage in BC because of it.

00:30:02.440 Anyways, I won't give it away.

00:30:04.040 But that's our show for today.

00:30:05.560 I'm pretty excited about the election tonight.

00:30:08.160 We had a strong role to play in it.

00:30:10.040 Our Sheila Gunn-Reed and her bestselling book,

00:30:11.840 Stop Notley, The 5,000 Lawn Signs,

00:30:14.020 and even our fight with the election commissioner.

00:30:17.220 I'll tell you about that another day.

00:30:18.840 All right, folks, without further ado, let me say goodnight.

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00:30:56.980 Thanks, sweetie.

00:30:57.580 Bye, obviously.

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Rebel News Podcast - April 17, 2019

The Cathedral of Notre Dame burns： What happened？ What does it mean？

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