Rebel News Podcast - “The election was the worst of all worlds, but westerners will pay the biggest price”

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I give my attempt at a post-mortem of the election. I'm sure it'll

00:00:07.120 take me several days or weeks to get all my thinking out. I also talked to Lorne Gunter

00:00:12.380 about Alberta's reaction. Alberta, a clean sweep of conservatives, except for one new Democrat

00:00:17.300 in downtown Edmonton. Saskatchewan, a clean sweep. They rusted their last

00:00:23.000 liberal, Ralph Goodale. What does it mean? Well, I'll go into that today.

00:00:27.700 Hey, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber. It's eight bucks a month,

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00:00:57.700 Tonight, the election was the worst of all worlds, but Westerners will pay the biggest 0.80

00:01:03.340 price. It's October 22nd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:08.700 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:12.480 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:16.540 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right

00:01:21.700 The Liberals won last night's election. Justin Trudeau's corrupt, smug party won 157 seats. 0.69

00:01:34.820 That's not a majority in a 338-seat House of Commons. You need 170 seats for a majority,

00:01:40.480 but it's very close. He'll be able to govern like he has a majority on most questions, I think.

00:01:45.160 The Conservative Party eked out just 121 seats, growing just 23. How's that possible? Trudeau

00:01:52.460 blew himself up by firing his attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, because she wouldn't go along

00:01:57.600 with his plan to let a bribe-paying company off the hook. That stunned the country. I mean,

00:02:04.960 a lot of media fall out of love with Trudeau, so much for sunny ways. And then came the repeated

00:02:10.400 blackface revelations. So he was a fake when he seemed so woke before towards minorities. 0.91

00:02:20.620 Then there was the two private jets move he had, so much for being a global warming champion.

00:02:27.760 I know that those second two points I made, the blackface and the two jets thing, I know they don't 1.00

00:02:33.240 go to the core of his governing substantively, like the way his judicial corruption does, but 0.99

00:02:38.560 they proved that he was a fake, a liar, an imposter. They took away his preening 0.98

00:02:42.180 moral righteousness, his condescension, which should have made substantive criticism stick

00:02:48.060 more. The Teflon was gone, is what I'm saying.

00:02:52.440 So the carbon tax, the disaster with China, taking hostages, economically and politically, 0.98

00:02:59.060 China's embargoes on us, our stagnant Canadian economy, most of which is self-inflicted,

00:03:04.740 especially Trudeau's war on the West, Trudeau's war on oil, the war on pipelines.

00:03:10.780 But no, incredibly, the Conservatives only picked up a total of three seats in all of Ontario.

00:03:16.680 And in fact, they lost Lisa Raitt's seat, and she's the deputy leader.

00:03:21.700 In Quebec, despite all of Andrew Scheer's pandering to the Derry cartel,

00:03:26.620 the Conservatives actually lost ground, two seats down. There were a handful of seats,

00:03:32.780 one in the Atlantic, but basically the party was retrenched in the West. Of the 23 seats picked

00:03:38.700 up by the Conservatives, 18 were in the four Western provinces. All of the effort just to

00:03:44.500 grow five seats in the center and the East. It's really Preston Manning's reform party,

00:03:49.600 plus a few. Not a seat in Toronto. Perhaps that's to be expected, but precious few in the

00:03:56.480 suburbs around Toronto, the 905 area code. Andrew Scheer stayed away from Doug Ford and Doug Ford's

00:04:04.960 team. Thinking they were politically toxic? Maybe. The Liberals certainly thought so. They 0.98

00:04:11.440 campaigned against Andrew Scheer a little bit. The Liberals campaigned against Stephen Harper a lot.

00:04:17.480 But the Liberals were incessant about trying to hang Doug Ford and his cuts around the neck of Scheer.

00:04:22.560 The funny thing about that, Doug Ford actually won Ontario. Won more than 40% of the vote. Won 76 seats.

00:04:33.180 I know that was a year ago, and they've fallen in the polls, but it's hard to imagine Scheer doing

00:04:36.840 any worse in Ontario had he embraced Doug Ford. I mean, he lost all of the 416 area code. Can't do worse

00:04:45.840 than that. And if he had worked with Doug Ford, maybe he could have accessed the considerable political

00:04:51.280 machinery of Ford Nation. But Andrew Scheer did to Doug Ford what Andrew Scheer did to Rebel News and what

00:04:59.500 he did to People's Party supporters. He pushed them away. Andrew Scheer hired a liberal dirty trickster

00:05:05.860 named Warren Kinsella to smear People's Party members as racist. That's a liberal move. And pushing away 0.96

00:05:12.260 Rebel News. Why? Because the CBC or CTV or Global News were so good to him. Look at this incredible clip

00:05:18.160 from just this morning. I have never seen anything like it. Take a look.

00:05:23.180 But Mr. Scheer, when asked why you're spreading false information about your opponents, like among

00:05:28.400 other false statements, saying the liberals will decriminalize hard drugs and saying the liberals

00:05:32.960 and NDP will raise GST, when they say that's a lie, you can't draw conclusions where the hard facts

00:05:38.820 don't back up what you're saying. So you've explained your reasoning to Canadians. My question to you this

00:05:43.340 morning is, how do you explain to your five children, from toddler to teenage, that it is okay

00:05:47.960 to lead a dirty campaign based on information that is not entirely true and constant attacks on your

00:05:53.280 opponents? Well, of course, I reject the premise of that question.

00:06:00.120 Wow. And remember, Andrew Scheer has said he'll preserve CBC News funding, and he's never spoken out

00:06:07.140 against the other media bailout either. Not that he'll get a chance to be a decision maker on any

00:06:12.340 of these things now, will he? Last night, we had a live stream on election night. We covered the

00:06:18.380 whole night live. We ran almost five hours. We had more than 120,000 people tune in, which is pretty

00:06:24.640 incredible. And we were low tech compared to the state broadcaster, obviously. And obviously, we were

00:06:31.220 more fair, and I think more interesting. I was here at our headquarters with Kian Beckstein. And David

00:06:37.880 Menzies was out in the Beauce, Quebec, with Maxime Bernier. He got an exclusive interview, in fact.

00:06:44.880 And for some reason, the Conservative Party finally admitted one of our journalists, Sheila Gunn-Reed,

00:06:49.460 to attend their victory night in Regina. What a laugh. They agreed not to arrest us for doing journalism.

00:06:56.300 Oh, but they told Sheila that she wouldn't have room for a computer or a camera. What a weird lie.

00:07:02.200 Obviously, they had enormous room. It was a massive building. What a bunch of weirdos Scheer has around

00:07:08.960 him doing media relations. But really, who would lead the Conservatives if not for Andrew Scheer right

00:07:14.640 now? Bernier took himself out of contention by bolting impatiently a couple of years ago. Jason

00:07:20.480 Kenney, the obvious option, is presently engaged as the Premier of Alberta. He didn't want to fight

00:07:25.560 Trudeau this time around. I bet he could have won it if he had. What a mess. Do you really think

00:07:30.300 Andrew Scheer would do any better in another election in 6, 12, 18, 24 months? Oh, he'll point

00:07:36.740 to the raw vote count. Sure. I mean, that's what Hillary Clinton did after 2016 to find some fake 1.00

00:07:43.760 consolation when Trump beat her under the rules. There is no prize for raw vote counts either in

00:07:49.260 America or in Canada. Just because some Alberta ridings went 80% plus for Andrew Scheer doesn't

00:07:57.200 mean he gets that riding more than once. Like I say, it's really just a slightly augmented version

00:08:03.260 of Preston Manning's footprint. The Bloc Québécois grew in Quebec, including at the expense of the NDP.

00:08:09.560 The Greens went from two seats to three. But what all these losers have in common is that they hate 0.97

00:08:15.960 Alberta and hate Alberta oil and hate Alberta oil pipelines along with Trudeau. That's what they 0.98

00:08:20.700 all have in common. Here's Trudeau as a young man. Quebecers are better than the rest of Canada 0.96

00:08:29.620 because, you know, poor Quebecers. He was in his late 20s then. That's when he was a teacher at West

00:08:36.540 Point Grey Academy. Here he is about 10 years later, all grown up, almost 40, phrasing his bigotry even more

00:08:45.060 aggressively.

00:08:46.800 Regardez, le Canada fait dur maintenant parce que c'est des Albertains qui contrôlent notre

00:08:51.060 agenda communautaire et sociodémocratique. Ça marche pas. Est-ce que le Canada est mieux

00:08:57.440 servi quand il y a plus de Québécois au pouvoir que quand il y a plus d'Albertains au pouvoir?

00:09:03.020 Ben, je suis libéral alors c'est sûr que je pense que oui. Certainement quand on regarde les grands

00:09:08.260 premiers ministres du 20e siècle, les seuls qui ont vraiment tenu le coup, c'était des députés

00:09:13.200 du Québec. C'était Trudeau, c'était Mulroney, c'était Chrétien, c'était Paul Martin. Alors,

00:09:20.880 tu sais, on a un rôle, on a, ce pays, le Canada, est à nous.

00:09:24.940 Yeah. When someone shows you who they are, why don't you believe them? And that's the thing.

00:09:32.720 Quebec separatism was always fake. They get, what, $14 billion a year from equalization,

00:09:38.860 mainly from Alberta and Saskatchewan. Don't tell me that they'd really walk away from that. It's

00:09:42.560 just a bargaining stance to get whatever else they want. Alberta separatism, I see it rising in a way

00:09:47.740 I haven't before. And it's not fake. And it's not noisy. And it's not showy. It's quiet and

00:09:54.060 resolved. I don't know what's going to happen. But I know that across Canada, people are thinking

00:09:57.720 the system's broken. And it's not even broken in a neutral or a friendly way. It's malicious now.

00:10:03.380 It's actively destroying the West, which is the economic engine of Canada in so many ways. You know,

00:10:09.660 Detroit was once the strongest industrial city in America. Did you know that?

00:10:13.620 It was the highest industrial wage. Factories. It was Motor City. It was the place to be.

00:10:21.340 But then it was destroyed by democratic policies. Look at it now. Abandoned and decrepit.

00:10:28.920 It can happen. Look at Venezuela. It can happen. Look at Baltimore. It can happen.

00:10:36.800 But maybe Alberta won't stand by and let it happen. Maybe Alberta will leave. That's not illegal. 0.99

00:10:41.660 It's actually the opposite. It has been legalized and formalized and proceduralized

00:10:47.280 by Quebec, actually, when separatism was litigated a generation ago. A clear question,

00:10:54.040 fairly asked, a proper legal process. Our Supreme Court has actually prescribed the manner of separation.

00:11:03.300 And you know what? I bet Justin Trudeau wouldn't actually mind that. You take out the most conservative

00:11:08.940 province, you're probably going to win a lot more elections as a liberal.

00:11:13.920 Canada would be a smaller, poorer place, but it would be all Trudeaus. You take out the 34 seats 0.99

00:11:20.320 of Alberta from last night, Justin Trudeau would have his exact same count, but out of 304 seats,

00:11:29.500 he would have a majority. You don't think he wants that?

00:11:32.740 I wonder what's going to happen now. Stay tuned. We'll ask Lauren Gunter next.

00:11:39.240 In Alberta and Saskatchewan, know that you are an essential part of our great country. I've heard

00:12:00.200 your frustration, and I want to be there to support you. Let us all work hard to bring our country

00:12:08.140 together.

00:12:11.360 What? Do you think that means a pipeline's going to go through? Do you think that means the carbon tax

00:12:16.280 will be held off? No, no, no. It's just another posture, another pose. He's a fake feminist. He's 0.72

00:12:24.020 a fake carbon tax reducer. I mean, he has two jets. He dresses up all the time in blackface,

00:12:30.640 in costumes. That was just a line someone threw in there that he had to read. Do you think,

00:12:36.040 do you really think he's going to lift a finger for Alberta and Saskatchewan when he's now in

00:12:42.440 coalition with the NDP, the Block, the Greens, all of whom are anti-oil patch, anti-pipeline? Well,

00:12:50.780 let's ask someone who is in the heart of the West, our friend Lauren Gunter, senior columnist with the

00:12:56.120 Edmonton Sun, who joins us now live via Skype. I think it's as bad as it gets, Lauren. Am I pessimistic

00:13:04.620 on that? I think that I see already Husky is laying off hundreds, maybe thousands of workers

00:13:10.940 this morning. They were waiting to see how things go and they don't need to see any more. I think

00:13:16.840 Husky, I think you will see another $100 billion lead, $100 billion lead to the West.

00:13:24.100 Yes. And you see the Detroitification of Calgary. Detroit used to be the number one industrial city

00:13:31.660 in America. Then Democrats ruined it. I think it's that bad. Am I wrong?

00:13:37.240 It's not that bad yet, but will it get that bad? It could. Absolutely it could. You're absolutely

00:13:43.520 right that we will probably see at least another $100 billion leave the country or not come into the

00:13:48.840 country. It's a little hard to prove just how much it is, but stats can't estimate it that in

00:13:53.440 the last three years, there's been $100 billion that hasn't been invested in energy that would

00:13:59.520 have been invested otherwise. And I think that that's going to happen over the next two or three

00:14:02.740 years too. I was sickened last night. At first, I sort of snickered and then I just felt sickening

00:14:11.080 to hear Trudeau say, I want you to know that we're going to be there for you. We're going to,

00:14:16.820 this is, this is Bill Clinton's, I feel your pain without the masculinity. It is so weak and it's so

00:14:27.340 insincere and smarmy that it just makes me sick. Yeah, you're right. I mean, Albertans don't want

00:14:35.420 him to be there for us. Um, Saskatchewan people. I mean, I, I saw the election results in many,

00:14:43.040 uh, districts, the liberals got less than 10%, sometimes as low as 5%. And in most, in most of

00:14:51.440 the districts in Saskatchewan and Alberta, they're in third place. So no one's looking for Trudeau to

00:14:57.760 be their friend. Uh, Westerners are disgusted by him, repulsed by him. Um, so they're not looking for 0.69

00:15:05.480 him to feel any pain or to be there with us. Uh, I think Westerners, and I speak as an exiled

00:15:11.160 Westerner in Toronto, um, want tangible things like build the goddamn pipe, sorry to swear. Uh, don't bring 1.00

00:15:19.820 in the carbon tax. Stop talking about transitioning off oil. No one else in the world is. Um,

00:15:27.240 the number one messenger for Trudeau, uh, and Trudeau's handouts in the run up to the election.

00:15:34.560 You remember there were stories that in, in the run up to the 2015 election, the Harper government

00:15:39.320 gave out about 1.5 billion in grants all over the country. Those, you know, handshaking check

00:15:45.460 presentation photo ops. The liberals did about $13 billion of that in the run up to this election.

00:15:52.440 The biggest single ambassador for handouts was, uh, the Edmonton center MP, Randy Boissoneau.

00:15:59.760 Uh, and to, to your point about, we don't want handouts. We don't want gifts. We don't want

00:16:05.160 bailouts. We just want you to do what's economically sensible, which is build the pipeline. Boissoneau

00:16:10.300 was defeated in a riding that the liberals have held off and on for about 25 years. Uh, but you know,

00:16:16.960 he came out and he said, Oh, here's a hundred thousand dollars for a woman's clothing boutique. 0.94

00:16:21.100 And here's a hundred thousand dollars for a lady's custom boot maker. And nobody wants that. That's 1.00

00:16:27.560 not what anybody wants. Like at one point came out, he and Amarjit Sohi, he was the natural

00:16:32.240 resources minister and also an Edmonton MP who was decimated last night. He was pushed aside by Tim

00:16:38.800 Oppel, who's a former Harper, uh, campaign cabinet minister. Uh, both of them had come out and said,

00:16:45.720 we're going to put $1.6 billion into retraining oil workers to do other jobs. That's exactly the

00:16:54.980 wrong message. That's exactly why they're so unpopular. Yeah. Yeah. Um, oil men don't want to,

00:17:01.720 uh, be baristas or learn to code. They want to do oil work. And if they can't do it in Alberta,

00:17:07.740 they'll do it in North Dakota or Colorado or Texas or Pennsylvania, even with their natural gas

00:17:13.780 fracking. And I'm afraid that's, what's going to happen. Um, now let me say something that I

00:17:20.060 observed last night. Maybe, you know, Keith Wilson, um, very straight laced lawyer, a couple of years

00:17:25.480 older than me. He worked for the farmer's advocate. Then he worked in property rights. And I saw him make

00:17:30.820 a tweet last night. I was doing our live show last night and he was so, he was so calm. In fact,

00:17:36.700 let's put that tweet on the screen if we can. Uh, he said, and this is like the most straight

00:17:42.440 laced lawyer you'll ever meet. He like irons his blue jeans. And he said, let's hold a proper,

00:17:50.480 fair and lawful vote on separation. If Alberta votes to separate the Supreme court of Canada

00:17:56.460 has laid out the process to implement the divorce. Alberta will be much better off without the burdens 1.00

00:18:01.720 to Ottawa imposes. And we won't have to send our wealth to Ottawa. Sorry, but it's time to go. And

00:18:07.160 I saw that and it was done in the style of that, of the personality of that man. Calm, methodical,

00:18:15.060 legalistic, absolutely law abiding, not hot blooded. In fact, he's saying, sorry, like it's not a rage.

00:18:21.340 I'm out of here. It's not a hot tempered moment. He's not slamming the door. He's just leaving.

00:18:26.580 Yeah. He's just saying, okay, so we're done. All right. Uh, guess what guys? Good news.

00:18:31.600 There's a process here. It's already been litigated by our Quebec friends.

00:18:35.620 Yep. Uh, there's already road. So it's not illegal. This isn't being a traitor. This isn't being like,

00:18:42.820 this is not a civil war. Hey guys, there's a little process. It's already hammered out. Let's do it.

00:18:47.020 I'm a lawyer. I'm sorry, but I think this is how we should go about it. You've got severely normal

00:18:51.580 guys like that. And I saw professional, moderate, fancy people, not nationalist, populist, pitchfork.

00:18:57.520 I'm not talking about the press demanding populists. I'm talking about, um, the, the guy,

00:19:03.840 the establishment guys, the well-to-do guys, the temperate people who have a lot to lose.

00:19:09.820 Yeah. I'm doing things wrong. Yeah. And, and they're just done and it's not even rage. It's all

00:19:16.620 right. No, it's resignation. I tried to explain this to a radio host in, in central Canada earlier

00:19:22.800 this week. I said, it's just resignation. It's not anger. It's not. And when I say that there's

00:19:28.680 going to be a separatist movement come out of this in Alberta, I don't know to what extent that's

00:19:33.340 going to happen. I already know that there's a conference going on in Red Deer in mid November,

00:19:37.520 uh, where people are going to talk about, uh, some of the, the, the processes that need to go

00:19:43.740 through in order to, to get a movement going and then to make the movement, uh, and to have the

00:19:49.680 movement lead to real independence. It's just going to happen. And I said, they said, so it's,

00:19:55.600 it's that anger. I said, well, there's a lot of anger for sure, but mostly this is not coming from

00:20:00.720 establishment people. This is coming from people in professions whose lifestyle really isn't affected

00:20:06.380 as much by, uh, bad federal government decisions as people who work in the patch or who own small

00:20:12.600 businesses. I said, these are just people who are quietly resigned to the fact that this doesn't

00:20:19.080 work anymore. Yeah. I think, and I said, you know, the, the, the one thing that's different about

00:20:24.700 Alberta independence, which doesn't really exist yet. I think it's coming. I think the mentality is

00:20:31.480 coming. Um, uh, it needs to, it's very amorphous right now. It's kind of like a cloud. It needs to be

00:20:37.740 condensed a bit and become much more focused. But I said, the difference is Quebec could never 0.96

00:20:44.020 bring itself to leave because it could never give up the money. Right. It was always the money. And

00:20:48.820 I'm 14 billion in equalization every year. They just can't give that up. Yeah. Uh, and they know

00:20:54.400 subconsciously they can't. I said, but Alberta also knows subconsciously that if it left, it probably

00:20:59.100 would have more money. Yeah. And so that's the huge difference. And I said, this is not going to be

00:21:04.260 Jacques, if it comes to this and I have not entirely convinced yet that it will come to

00:21:08.680 this, but if it comes to this, this will not be Jacques Perrazo's never ending trip to the

00:21:14.320 dentist. Yeah. That's what he calls Quebec nationalism. This will be done fairly quickly.

00:21:20.240 Yeah. Well, you know, I was thinking the opposite, love and hates are not actually opposites.

00:21:27.720 Mm hmm. Um, the different sides of the same coin, there's still passion there. There's still

00:21:32.120 a feeling there. The, the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference.

00:21:40.680 And, um, the pantomime, the, the, the theater of a Quebecer in Quebec city arguing with a

00:21:48.500 Quebecer in Ottawa over Quebec separatism and how high the, the Dane geld has to be paid.

00:21:54.680 That's different here. You know, that, that tweet I read you from Keith Wilson, that's not

00:21:58.680 hate. That's indifference. That's, you know what? Canada was nice, got some sentimental feelings,

00:22:04.560 but not a lot of feelings. Uh, there was no hate there. It wasn't, I hate Canada. It was okay,

00:22:10.820 guys. Um, you know, we, we sure gave it a good try and thank you, but let's just, can we just follow

00:22:17.680 plan B now? So I, I think that's far more terrifying. Uh, in many ways it's got, it should be. Uh,

00:22:26.120 and, and I think in many ways it's going to be, if it comes about and, and I'm going to repeat this

00:22:31.020 again, I'm not entirely sure it's going to happen yet, but if it comes about it, the speed with which

00:22:36.180 it comes about will surprise a lot of people in the rest of the country, uh, who've lost, who, I mean,

00:22:40.980 I saw people tweeting last night, oh, I'm so tired of Westerners whining about alienation. And they

00:22:46.980 never said that about Quebec nationalism. Yeah. Yeah. I held this hostage for 25 years off and on,

00:22:53.520 made it do somersaults and back flips and all sorts of demeaning things to prove that we loved

00:22:59.500 Quebec. That, that horrible fly in love in thing in, in Montreal in 1995 during the second referendum

00:23:07.060 still makes me nauseous. And you would never see that in Calgary. So let's say there was a

00:23:13.440 referendum in Alberta. You would never for the life of you see liberals fly in to Calgary and say,

00:23:19.720 we love you stay because they don't love Alberta. There is actually hate, but it's towards Alberta.

00:23:26.220 The common theme between the Greens, the NDP, the bloc and the liberals is they're anti-oil,

00:23:31.320 they're anti-pipeline. And if you scratch the surface, they're anti-Alberta. They think Alberta

00:23:35.320 is a synonym for bigot. That to me is, is the real nub in all of this is that, you know, people are saying,

00:23:42.240 well, now that, uh, Trudeau has to rely on the NDP to keep him in, in office, uh, we're going to lose

00:23:48.960 Trans Mountain, which I think is a real, real possibility. Uh, but all Jagmeet Singh has to do

00:23:55.760 is twist Trudeau's rubber arm. Yeah. Trudeau doesn't want Trans Mountain either. Yeah. They were

00:24:01.420 supposed to start construction, uh, this past summer and they obviously didn't. Um, I want,

00:24:08.080 I've been thinking about how it might go because Donald Trump, uh, published a perfunctory

00:24:12.980 congratulations tweet to Trudeau last night, which is how you do it. And I'm reminded that not long

00:24:19.220 ago, Donald Trump made a half serious offer to buy Greenland. And I know that sounds absurd, but

00:24:26.080 he wasn't the first American president to propose it. America has bought territories before, including

00:24:31.640 Alaska, uh, the Louisiana Purchase. You could see that right there in the, in the name.

00:24:36.960 Slightly different times, but yes, it's been done. Yeah. And Greenland, there's almost no one who

00:24:41.240 lives there. Less than a hundred thousand people in this massive place. And I think they were worried

00:24:45.480 because China was trying to get their hooks into Greenland, believe it or not. Um, I tweeted back, 0.76

00:24:51.880 I mean, my tweet, what I'm talking too much about Twitter, but I thought, you know what,

00:24:54.880 Donald Trump, you were rejected by Greenland. You make a good offer for Alberta and what,

00:25:00.680 you know, and I'm not saying full statehood, but. You know, somebody said to me the other day,

00:25:05.940 I was again on a radio show and I was talking about, when I was asked about, is there going

00:25:10.460 to be Western resentment? Is there going to be a Alberta independence? I said, well, you know,

00:25:14.960 you have to remember that. And then the one person said, well, why would you want to leave?

00:25:18.820 You're a landlocked. I said, yes, but we still have one border that Ottawa doesn't control.

00:25:23.120 Yeah. And that's the border between Alberta and Montana. Yeah. And, and the, in his first week

00:25:29.000 in office, Donald Trump, um, indicated that he wanted to revive Keystone Excel. And he in fact

00:25:36.100 told the pipeline company, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. And they've been, the courts have slowed

00:25:40.600 them down. But Donald Trump is as eager for the Keystone Excel as Trudeau is as eager to block.

00:25:46.520 But, but maybe there's a, maybe there's another pipeline out through Montana, Idaho and Washington

00:25:53.000 to the West coast. Yeah. That's a good point. And there's all sorts of possibilities that don't

00:25:58.040 involve us having to bow and scrape to Ottawa and to the BC government to try and get one small

00:26:06.200 pipeline that's twinned with an existing pipeline that has been there since the fifties. That has

00:26:11.940 never been a problem. Yeah. I mean, it's a piece of metal, the mind when you start to think about

00:26:16.640 what we're being told no to. Yeah. It's, it's a piece of metal, uh, a tube about the size of a hula hoop,

00:26:23.600 uh, except for that, um, doesn't, uh, convey the degree of high technology for finding and detecting

00:26:32.760 and sealing cracks. And it's a very high tech piece of equipment. Um, and I mean, would America

00:26:41.800 take Alberta? Well, I mean, there would likely be Republican seats. You could bring in a Puerto 1.00

00:26:48.820 Rico as the, you know, the Democrats and the Republicans would, or, or, or maybe Alberta would 0.81

00:26:53.840 just stay as a territory as Puerto Rico is, or maybe it would be an independent place. Maybe it

00:26:59.460 would have the queen still on our currency. I don't know, but all of a sudden, but can I throw

00:27:04.240 one, a different wrinkle at you? I'm talking about it as someone who's, I'm an Albertan. I am

00:27:09.860 affectionate to Alberta, even though I lived in Toronto for 10 years, but let's say you're Justin

00:27:15.280 Trudeau. Come home. All is forgiven. Well, well, well, you take 34 Alberta seats out of parliament.

00:27:23.040 Yeah. I don't see how Justin Trudeau ever loses an election again. Yeah. That would be because

00:27:28.920 you're removing 34 pretty much guaranteed conservative seats. All of a sudden, Trudeau's

00:27:33.820 got a majority. And for, uh, Catherine McKenna and Gerald Butts, who care about carbon emissions,

00:27:40.080 well, you've just reduced your national emissions by one third. You've just gotten rid of all

00:27:44.980 those pesky right wingers. You've gotten rid of all the stuff you don't like. Uh, you're

00:27:49.720 going meat free. You just said, well, and I hope it would be 48 seats that they would lose

00:27:55.160 because I have to think that we could maybe talk Saskatchewan into coming along.

00:28:00.020 Oh, absolutely. And frankly, um, parts of the interior of BC would probably want to join

00:28:04.320 too. I remember at the Western standard, we had a, uh, a columnist named Rick Dolphin who

00:28:09.560 had a great sense of humor and he talked about a future territory called Albumbia. I mean, he

00:28:15.420 had a little bit of humor that he said, Alberta, with that part of the interior of British Columbia,

00:28:18.640 he even wrote an anthem. He was making jokes, but look, Czechoslovakia is now the Czech Republic

00:28:26.420 and Slovakia all around the world. We have people going to smaller units, not larger units.

00:28:33.500 Everyone wants out of the European union, not just Brexit, but, but across the EU, there are

00:28:38.280 many places that want more rights, Italy, uh, Austria. Um, I think, I think the idea of splitting

00:28:45.860 up the world's second largest country that's obviously not getting along with itself, it's

00:28:51.480 unthinkable until the moment it's not. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. I mean, and I, I still

00:28:58.320 hope it doesn't come to that. I still hope that there's some way of working around this, but,

00:29:02.020 but I'm not optimistic because, you know, the, the one thing liberals want more than anything

00:29:08.140 else is to stay in power and they would sell their mothers. Yeah. I mean, I like Calgary,

00:29:14.220 look, Jagmeet Singh never visited, uh, Alberta in the whole campaign. Trudeau visited Calgary for

00:29:19.860 15 minutes at midnight on the weekend. It's not like they like Alberta anyways. I mean,

00:29:24.220 like they like the tax money and the donations, but frankly, I don't think Trudeau, I think Trudeau

00:29:28.720 would absolutely be rid of Alberta, um, just so he could, and his liberals could rule forever in the

00:29:36.480 rump of Canada that remains. And I can't imagine that Donald Trump and his Pentagon and his State

00:29:43.800 Department would say no to some sort of association with the world's third largest oil

00:29:48.820 reserves. Well, I think by the time this happens, it will not be slow. If it happens, it won't be

00:29:55.440 like Quebec going on for decades, but I, I'm not entirely sure that even if he's reelected, Trump

00:30:01.660 will still be around as president. By the time we get around to getting all the T's crossed and the

00:30:06.720 eyes dotted, but nonetheless, I don't think whoever is the American president would, would shun, uh, an

00:30:12.480 alliance of some sort with Canada. Yeah. Well, I mean, there would be a free trade deal. I mean,

00:30:17.100 why not just inherit NAFTA, you know, and, uh, absolutely. And, and Alberta, I mean, it could be

00:30:23.700 like a Switzerland. You could have all sorts of, it could have its own borders and its own, but it

00:30:29.240 could have strong alliances and it could be a sort of, I mean, once you're freed of the equalization

00:30:35.700 payments, that province could reduce its, it could eliminate the income tax. You, you take out 14

00:30:42.220 billion dollars that's shipped to Quebec and, uh, other parts every year. I think that's more than

00:30:47.280 Alberta collects an income tax every year. I'd have to check my math on that. It is. No, it's

00:30:51.080 considerably. Well, listen, I got one last question for you. Jason Kenney, in my view, he harbors

00:30:57.940 ambitions to become prime minister one day. Um, he speaks French very well. He is national

00:31:05.460 connections. He has a national, uh, notoriety. He's, I wouldn't say he's a household name,

00:31:10.900 but he's known widely as strong connections to ethnicities. I, I think that he will not abide

00:31:18.260 any of this talk because he doesn't want it to tarnish his Captain Canada, uh, brand if he seeks

00:31:25.620 the prime minister's chair, which I think he will. So I think he's actually going to seek to block

00:31:31.340 any of this talk, but I don't know what the alternative is because diplomacy hasn't worked.

00:31:37.980 The, the alternative is, because I know that, that there's been talk of this already within

00:31:44.220 the Alberta government. What do we do next? Uh, is kind of a revival of the firewall. Uh,

00:31:50.540 you remember back when Harper and Flanagan and Morton and a bunch of other, uh, Alberta luminaries

00:31:56.140 came up with ideas about how Alberta could protect itself from the, the grasping hands of Ottawa and

00:32:02.300 the demands of Quebec. And, and, uh, you know, there were a number of things that were thought of.

00:32:07.100 Um, I'm, I know that they've been thinking about that within the provincial government and

00:32:12.620 that may be enough to, to, to stall or stop, uh, independence movement. I don't know. It's going

00:32:19.100 to be interesting, but it is not going to be the status quo. That's, that's the key. Yeah. Well,

00:32:24.940 Lauren, it's good to catch up with you. I know this story is not going away. I saw Scott Moe,

00:32:30.060 the premier of Saskatchewan sent a list of, I'd call them friendly demands. Um, but the thing

00:32:35.980 about a demand is you need an or else or else I'll do this or, or then what, um, if you don't have

00:32:42.700 the or else there, it's, it's just a daydream. And why would Trudeau possibly, I mean, Trudeau has

00:32:50.220 even in some ways, even more than he hates Alberta, he hates Saskatchewan because Saskatchewan

00:32:54.780 was the first to oppose the carbon tax because Rachel Notley accepted it at first. So,

00:32:59.660 and of course, Saskatchewan is now liberal free. Saskatchewan is smaller. Um, I think in many ways,

00:33:05.420 Trudeau hates Saskatchewan more. So why on earth would he possibly listen to Scott Moe or Jason

00:33:10.940 Kenney? Well, you know, I, I, this is probably a point we don't even need to worry about. I don't

00:33:17.260 think he hates Saskatchewan more. They are indifferent more because Saskatchewan doesn't

00:33:22.220 come up on the radar the same way that Alberta. Alberta stands in the way of Ottawa controlling

00:33:28.060 everything because Ontario typically goes along with what Ottawa wants to do. Uh, and if you look

00:33:34.380 at it, the only region in the country that gave the liberals the same or more support, uh, in this

00:33:41.580 election as in 2015 was a greater Toronto area. Yeah. Everywhere else, every other region gave them

00:33:47.580 less support, but Toronto kept them in power. And so Ontario is driven by, by Toronto and people,

00:33:56.300 you talk to people in, in Southwestern Ontario or Northern Ontario, they don't like Toronto very much

00:34:01.020 because they don't like the way Toronto controls their province. So they don't, they look at us in

00:34:07.420 Alberta as competition to their power center. Yeah. And that's what they, they, that's what they

00:34:12.380 dislike about Alberta. Saskatchewan, they don't think so much of, uh, so it's flyover country. Yeah.

00:34:18.940 Well, it's good to talk to you. These are very, uh, dramatic days, Lauren. It's nice to see you. Thanks

00:34:23.180 for your time. You bet. All right. There you have it. Lauren Gunter, senior columnist

00:34:27.660 with the Edmonton Sun. Stay with us more Ahead of the Rebel.

00:34:37.420 Hey, welcome back. On the results of the federal election last night, Edward writes,

00:34:43.020 for those needing consolation, Scheer did win the popular vote. Now we can join Hillary Clinton and

00:34:47.100 write a book. I really had no great expectations and figured one or the other would have

00:34:51.340 a minority government. Just glad Justin didn't win a majority or there would be

00:34:55.020 no taming his ego and ambitions. He could be right. Part of me is more afraid of his minority 1.00

00:35:02.380 government because I have no doubt that what Jagmeet Singh or other minor parties like even

00:35:07.820 the bloc would demand from him as a concession would be even worse than what he would cook up

00:35:12.460 on his own. I guess the only consolation for me is that Jody Wilson-Raybould won.

00:35:17.820 Mark writes, I guess Canadians are happy with a corrupt government. Well, I can assure you that's

00:35:23.500 what Trudeau takes away from the thing. And by the way, I checked SNC-Lavalin on the Toronto Stock

00:35:28.060 Exchange. Just afternoon when I checked, it was up 15%. The stock market capitalization of SNC-Lavalin

00:35:36.540 rose $425 million this morning because they know their good friend is there and they're home free.

00:35:48.700 Oh, by the way, this morning Husky Oil laid off hundreds of workers in Calgary. Who cares about

00:35:54.060 them though, right? I mean, that's what we all want, right? To phase out the oil patch.

00:36:00.220 Kyle writes, RIP, PPC. One and done. Uh, yeah. And to which I say, uh, too bad. Because I think we do

00:36:13.340 need a populist nationalist voice to talk about issues that have been ignored by the rest of the parties.

00:36:19.580 I wish that had been done within the conservatives, but Andrew Scheer and Maxime Bernier couldn't keep

00:36:24.060 together. I think it was job number one of Andrew Scheer to keep Maxime Bernier in the party.

00:36:31.260 Jean-Claude Chen managed to keep Paul Martin in the party after he beat him. Stephen Harper managed to

00:36:35.580 keep Peter McKay in the party after he beat him. Doug Ford has managed to keep all his rivals in the party

00:36:41.900 after he beat him. It's on Maxime Bernier too, but Andrew Scheer let the split happen.

00:36:49.580 Liz writes, it's time for Wexit. There is no surviving this Canada. Well, I note that the word

00:36:56.780 Wexit is trending on social media today. Uh, we'll see what happens there. The thing is, Jason Kenney

00:37:03.340 wants to be prime minister. So I don't think he would, um, entertain any solutions that involve

00:37:11.180 Alberta decoupling from the rest of Canada. It'd be interesting to see how that all resolves.

00:37:18.060 Well, I don't know if we're any better today than we were yesterday. Um, I think Trudeau is relieved

00:37:23.420 that he's still prime minister. I think Andrew Scheer has to be disappointed. And Jagmeet Singh,

00:37:29.180 he was sure smiling last night, but his party was cut in half. What a disastrous night for everyone,

00:37:34.940 I say. Oh, well, we'll be there to fight. I think part of the problem is media. And so I think part of

00:37:41.660 the solution rests with us. I'll do my best and we'll do our best. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all

00:37:47.660 us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:37:59.180 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - October 23, 2019

“The election was the worst of all worlds, but westerners will pay the biggest price”

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