Rebel News Podcast - The real story of racism and slavery in Canada doesn't fit “Black Lives Matter” narrative

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I've been working on this show for a little while. I'm very proud of it.

00:00:04.540 I show you the history of slavery in Canada. And let me tell you, it is the proudest history of 0.99

00:00:10.900 any nation I can imagine. I want to prove to you that in Canada, black lives have mattered

00:00:18.160 since the 1790s. And anyone who tells you differently, well, they're lying to you.

00:00:24.880 So I'll prove it to you, too. Before I do, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber.

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00:00:42.640 eight bucks a month or 80 bucks for the year. And you get the video version of the show, plus

00:00:46.640 shows by Sheila Gunn-Reed and David Menzies. All right, back to the show. And I will tell you

00:00:51.200 the things that I learned that were fascinating to me, and I hope you find them that way, too.

00:00:56.220 Okay, here you go.

00:01:11.660 Tonight, do black lives matter in Canada? What's our history when it comes to racism? It's June

00:01:18.840 9th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:23.260 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:26.960 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:31.020 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's

00:01:35.420 my bloody right to do so.

00:01:36.880 This is a scene from the hit HBO fantasy series called Game of Thrones. That super white girl 1.00

00:01:48.640 was one of the contenders for the throne. She was tough and sexy and mysterious, 0.82

00:01:53.140 and she had a pair of dragons. But I think one of the reasons she was so popular with viewers

00:01:57.520 is that she was a white woman freeing black men from chains. That was one of her official titles in 1.00

00:02:04.360 the show, Breaker of Chains, just in case the show was too subtle for you. And that's the ultimate

00:02:10.700 white liberal dream, isn't it? To free slaves, but not just any slaves, to free black slaves. 0.99

00:02:16.500 And why not? Slavery is a stain on society, and it remains the United States of America's worst 0.91

00:02:23.060 moral error, and its costliest error, too. The U.S. Civil War cost more lives than all other U.S. wars

00:02:29.300 combined, and its seeds of discontent linger on through the era of Jim Crow and segregation,

00:02:35.400 and even the racially tinged riots that we've seen these past weeks. But that's not actually

00:02:42.820 what a liberator of slaves looks like. This is what a liberator of slaves looks like.

00:02:50.980 That's who did it. That's Queen Victoria. Well, it wasn't just her, of course. The United Kingdom

00:02:57.180 spent a century fighting against slavery, and I don't mean going to protests and saying,

00:03:02.000 hey, hey, ho, ho, slavery has got to go in it. No. They actually fought against slavery. 0.89

00:03:09.640 They dispatched the Royal Navy, the greatest military force in the world at the time,

00:03:14.280 to stop slavery. This isn't the statue of Queen Victoria that I know and love. I know

00:03:19.740 the one right outside Buckingham Palace. It's stunning. I hope you get the chance to see it one day in person.

00:03:24.640 This statue apparently is in Leeds, and it was violated, desecrated. Look at that. BLM, Black Lives 1.00

00:03:31.700 Matter, and murderer. And I think they spray-painted her breasts because these protesters are quite woke, 0.97

00:03:38.200 I guess. I think this is a shot of the same statue from another perspective. BLM, slave owner, and

00:03:46.480 slag, which is a British way of saying the derogatory word slut. But is it true? Did Queen Victoria kill blacks 1.00

00:03:55.360 and enslave blacks? No. Neither did Abraham Lincoln, the great emancipator, who freed four million slaves 0.99

00:04:04.120 after the bloodiest war in U.S. history. Neither did Winston Churchill, who led the West against Adolf Hitler

00:04:10.720 in Nazi Germany. Now, you might think, look, that's a mindless mob that defaced the statues.

00:04:17.620 They're uneducated. They're animalistic in nature, not thinking, only feeling. Facts don't matter to

00:04:23.600 their feelings. Right. But this Western wave of violence and revolution is intellectually endorsed

00:04:29.880 by people who should know better, by professors, by politicians, by the entire idea establishment,

00:04:35.680 especially the media. It's worst in the media here in Canada, too. The mindless attacks on Rex Murphy

00:04:41.320 for simply saying he thinks Canada is not systematically racist. I'm deeply embarrassed

00:04:46.660 for the National Post that they bent the knee to their know-nothing millennial junior writers and let

00:04:52.180 them have an op-ed calling for the deplatforming of Rex Murphy. I won't go through the whole argument

00:04:57.300 again there. I did a monologue on that last week. To be clear, my objection isn't that some woke

00:05:02.840 junior staffer disagrees with Rex. It's that her argument was Rex shouldn't be able to speak at

00:05:10.520 all because he's a white man. It's like that image from the Maoist cultural revolution I showed you 0.65

00:05:16.080 the other day. If Rex won't denounce himself like so many others are doing to him, well, then we have

00:05:21.160 to stuff a cloth in his mouth to literally shut him up. But can I ask you a question? And it involves

00:05:25.880 history and a little bit of reading. So there's just no chance the millennial gripers who are thrilled 0.77

00:05:31.480 by this wave of violence will know anything about him. Can I ask you, what is Queen Victoria's record

00:05:36.760 on slavery? And what's ours? What's our Canadian record of slavery? Do black lives matter here? 1.00

00:05:45.220 Now there has been slavery in every continent of the world except Antarctica. There was slavery

00:05:50.540 throughout indigenous America before Columbus arrived. Slavery was an important part of Indian 1.00

00:05:55.780 warfare and Indian economy in British Columbia, for example, for centuries. Slavery is a curse. It's as

00:06:01.320 old as murder, really. In a way, it's the perpetual threat of murder. I own you. You must always do

00:06:06.360 what I say, or I could kill you. And I am making permanent that threat by calling you my property 0.99

00:06:11.820 to do with as I please. I am taking away any of your dignity or property in yourself. I own you.

00:06:18.760 That's an ancient sin and crime, and it has threatened to manifest itself everywhere that humans have lived,

00:06:24.340 and it has. But my case today is that we didn't let it take root in Canada. We did not.

00:06:29.880 In fact, I think Canada is probably one of the least slave-y places in the whole world. And I tell you

00:06:36.360 that so that when some know nothing on Twitter, or some know nothing working at the National Post,

00:06:40.700 or Toronto Star, or Globe and Mail, or CBC tells you how racist you are, because we're all racist,

00:06:45.300 because this country's racist, you can deny it with facts, and hopefully with your feelings too.

00:06:50.400 Let's go back a bit. How does 1772 suit you? That's before the United States had its revolution.

00:06:56.460 That's before the French Revolution too. Here's a court ruling from the UK called Somerset versus

00:07:02.380 Stewart. Let me read a bit. On return to a habeas corpus requiring Captain Knowles to show cause for

00:07:10.540 the seizure and detainer of the complainant Somerset, a Negro, the case appeared to be this. Okay, some old 0.99

00:07:16.980 fashion language there. Somerset was a black man. Captain Knowles had seized and detained him

00:07:22.540 as a slave, and Somerset sued, referring to the ancient British tradition of habeas corpus.

00:07:29.260 As you know, you can't arrest someone without having some proof they'd done something wrong.

00:07:33.640 That's called habeas corpus. It's actually Latin for have the body. As in, you have to have some

00:07:38.880 proof that there was a crime going on if you're going to hold a man, seize him, detain him. Police

00:07:42.760 can't just pick you up without habeas corpus. So if you're treating someone as a slave, well, you just

00:07:47.860 can't do it because you want to do it. You're treating him like a prisoner. Prove that he should

00:07:51.980 be a prisoner. That's what the law says. I'll read just a little bit more because it's a bit old

00:07:56.440 fashioned and legalistic language, as you would express from 250 years ago. The Negro had been a 1.00

00:08:03.200 slave to Mr. Stewart in Virginia, had been purchased from the African coast. In the course of the slave 0.72

00:08:08.380 trade, as tolerated in the plantations, he had been brought over to England by his master, who intending

00:08:15.080 to return by force sent him on board of a Captain Knowles' vessel, lying in the river and was there

00:08:20.740 by the order of his master, in the custody of Captain Knowles, detained against his consent

00:08:25.600 until returned in obedience to the writ. Okay, so he's brought from Africa to the colonies and then 0.97

00:08:32.240 to Britain. And here's what the judges said about that. The question on that is not whether slavery is

00:08:39.020 lawful in the colonies, where a concurrence of unhappy circumstances has caused it to be established

00:08:44.560 as necessary, but whether in England, not whether it has ever existed in England, but whether it be

00:08:50.940 now abolished. And maybe I shouldn't, I mean, I want to read this all to you. I just don't have time.

00:08:57.500 It's a wonderful ruling. For the next paragraph, the judges give the most forceful denunciation

00:09:02.120 of slavery I think that I've ever read. They describe its immorality, its corrupting effect

00:09:07.380 actually on the slave master too. Its practical effects on all of humanity and mainly on the rights

00:09:12.600 of the slave. It is a wonderful ruling. Can I invite you to Google it and read it for yourself?

00:09:17.520 It's called Somerset's case. Anyways, the judges here don't try to ban slavery throughout the British

00:09:23.100 Empire. I don't think they had the jurisdiction. This was just some guy in a boat in the river.

00:09:28.040 But a slave presented himself and said, look, I'm in England. England does not allow slavery.

00:09:34.180 And the judges said, by George, you're right. Shall an attempt to introduce perpetual servitude here

00:09:40.580 to this island? Hope for countenance? Will not all the other mischiefs of mere utter servitude

00:09:45.840 revive? And this, incompatible with the mild and human precepts of Christianity. And this,

00:09:54.240 tis very doubtful whether the laws of England will permit a man to bind himself by contract to serve

00:09:59.120 for life. As in, you're not even allowed to sign a contract to be a slave for your whole life. You

00:10:04.600 just won't be allowed to do it by the government. This is 250 years ago this was written. These judges

00:10:09.020 just wouldn't have it. Anyway, amazing case. It was shortly after that case that William

00:10:13.940 Wilberforce's Committee for the Abolition of Slave Trade dedicated itself to the project of banning

00:10:20.980 slavery everywhere, really. That's the subject of the movie Amazing Grace. I should say it again. 0.57

00:10:26.480 As the judges said, Christianity was the motivating force for Wilberforce, for so many of the other

00:10:33.340 abolitionists. It was mentioned in the court case, as I showed you.

00:10:35.760 I contrast that with Islam, which legalizes and normalizes slavery, both slavery of men 1.00

00:10:43.080 and the rape slavery of women. Muhammad himself had slaves. Christianity is unusual in not only 0.97

00:10:49.940 its rejection of slavery, but its motivation to redeem captives around the world. And that's

00:10:55.120 such a key point here. The UK was ridding itself of whatever vestiges of slavery were in its own

00:11:01.140 island. That's what Somerset's case said. It didn't ban slavery in the 13 colonies in America. It's just

00:11:07.560 said, don't bring your slavery here back to England. We won't accept it. That's bold. But then the Brits 0.97

00:11:13.420 said, all right, well, let's free the whole world. They actually said that, and they went about doing

00:11:20.800 that, and not by rioting and looting their own cities. Look at this. An act for the abolition

00:11:27.040 of the slave trade. It was passed in Parliament in 1807. Now, it didn't ban slavery itself in the

00:11:33.420 British Empire, but it banned the slave trade. So if you were already a slave, it did not free you yet.

00:11:39.240 But it was a direct attack on the industry of slavery, the capturing of slaves, the shipment of

00:11:43.720 slaves to auctions. It was the starter pistol for the Royal Navy's Great War on Slave Traders. 0.98

00:11:48.960 Back in 1807. And if that wasn't tough enough, well, it got tougher. The Slave Trade Felony Act

00:11:56.220 turned slave trading into a crime on par with piracy. And if you don't know, pirates, especially

00:12:01.640 back then, were deemed to be outside the law, sort of like terrorists. They had no, very few rights in

00:12:07.720 law. They could be executed almost on site after a drumhead trial. To be a slave trader in the face of 0.88

00:12:14.320 the Slave Trade Felony Act was as risky back then as being a member of ISIS. Now, actually, 0.72

00:12:20.880 riskier. They didn't have a Guantanamo Bay. They just killed them. Back then, they had Royal Navy

00:12:26.240 ships, not drones. The Royal Navy set up a special fleet just for the purpose of stopping slave ships.

00:12:35.120 They called it the West Africa Squadron. It was fully one-sixth of the entire Royal Navy.

00:12:41.960 Ships and Marines. Over the course of 50 years, this was a 50-year war against slavery. This West

00:12:51.540 Africa Squadron seized 1,600 different slave ships. 1,600. Can you imagine? They freed 150,000 Africans

00:13:02.620 who were being shipped to slave markets. It's like Schindler's List. Now, these were not British 0.99

00:13:08.600 citizens. This was not actually in the economic interests of Britain or the colonies. This was

00:13:14.660 purely done as a moral expression of British and Christian ideology in the face of evil.

00:13:21.260 It wasn't just military. Britain signed treaties with countries throughout Africa to press them to

00:13:27.040 stop the slave trade. This had never happened before in history. Forget your Daenerys Targaryen

00:13:32.620 Game of Thrones. This was on Queen Victoria's watch. This was the woman who was freeing the world.

00:13:39.600 You know, Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem that is now obviously considered racist. Even its title,

00:13:44.660 it's called The White Man's Burden. I don't even know if you're allowed to say the name of the

00:13:48.140 poem anymore, let alone read from it. But I do want to read a little bit from it. It's

00:13:52.180 published in 1899, 121 years ago. It was Kipling's view about the British Empire, about how Britain

00:13:59.100 was taking pains to bring Western ideas of morality and law and health and wealth to the whole world,

00:14:07.120 and was just being blamed for it no matter. Let me read a few passages. What do you think of this?

00:14:11.940 Take up the white man's burden. Send forth the best ye breed. Go bind your sons to exile to serve your

00:14:21.180 captives' need. Take up the white man's burden, the savage wars of peace. Fill full the mouth of famine

00:14:28.640 and bid the sickness cease. Take up the white man's burden and reap his old reward, the blame of those

00:14:36.680 ye abetter, the hate of those ye guard. I'm not going to read any more. It's probably illegal 0.68

00:14:41.320 to read Kipling now. I'm quite sure his statues will be taken down across the UK as they're toppling

00:14:48.120 other statues, even as I speak. You know, they toppled the statue of Christopher Columbus in

00:14:53.020 Richmond, Virginia the other day. Hey, if you hate living in America so much, if you hate the idea that

00:14:58.720 Columbus came there, leave. Why blame the man who discovered it if you're going to enjoy his

00:15:06.020 discovery? If you hate Christopher Columbus for discovering America, if you don't believe he

00:15:10.440 discovered it, but rather think he invaded and stole it from Indians, then how can you possibly

00:15:15.760 morally, ethically still live there? It's like you're in a stolen house. Britain passed the Slavery 0.81

00:15:21.960 Abolition Act in 1833. So they're passing law after law after law. Basically, that law said, okay,

00:15:28.760 we're done. It's over. It's now illegal to have a slave anywhere in the entire British Empire,

00:15:34.000 except in a few technical exceptions that I won't get into here. And I want to tell you

00:15:38.600 something stunning that I did not actually know until now. So if someone had bought a slave over

00:15:43.800 the years, anywhere in the British Empire, and had the knowledge and security that what they were

00:15:49.420 doing was lawful when they bought the slave, even if it was immoral, it was lawful. Well, this

00:15:57.220 abolition of slavery in a way was taking away the property right they had in the slave, of course,

00:16:01.620 because people aren't property. But they had been in law for years, even if it wasn't moral. So the

00:16:08.280 British Empire did something that I did not know about. And I wonder if you had ever heard of this

00:16:11.820 before either, because for some reason, they don't teach it in schools. And I doubt the Black Lives 1.00

00:16:17.080 Matter protesters know this either. The British Empire literally paid to liberate and emancipate every

00:16:24.180 single slave in the empire. They didn't have a civil war about it. They didn't kill a half 0.85

00:16:28.860 million of their own souls in a bloody battle over slavery. They emancipated all the slaves by 0.60

00:16:33.920 paying out their slave owners, redeeming the slaves as the Bible tells Christians to do. 0.92

00:16:41.300 The British Empire borrowed 20 million pounds back in 1833. Do you know how much money that is

00:16:47.740 in today's currency? That's more than 100 billion pounds in today's money. We're talking British pounds.

00:16:54.240 So we're talking close to a quarter of a trillion Canadian mini dollars. It was the size of 40% of

00:17:03.700 the entire revenues of the empire. In fact, that special slave redemption loan, they borrowed the

00:17:11.280 money, would not be paid off until, I'm not even kidding, it was only paid off five years ago.

00:17:18.680 More than a century, Brits have been paying interest on that emancipation loan. So let's 0.83

00:17:26.060 recap. Britain banned the slave trade. Then they created a special force in the Royal Navy and

00:17:31.640 Marines that went to war against slave ships for half a century, freeing 150,000 slaves and stopping

00:17:38.660 countless more from being enslaved. And then they made slave trading a crime tantamount to terrorism.

00:17:45.560 And then they bound slavery outright and incurred a 180-year mortgage of a quarter trillion Canadian

00:17:52.100 dollars to redeem slaves. That's the United Kingdom. White people, by the way, Christians, 1.00

00:17:59.380 by the way, only Abraham Lincoln rivals that effort. And as he wrote to a New York newspaper in 1862,

00:18:06.780 if I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing all

00:18:13.080 the slaves, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would

00:18:17.740 also do that. So yes, he freed the slaves, four million, and he was a great, great president. But

00:18:24.860 freeing the slaves was not his main purpose. His main purpose was stopping the South from seceding.

00:18:30.460 He hated slavery, obviously. But he didn't dedicate his entire country's efforts just to eradicating

00:18:36.360 slavery per se. The British Empire did. And of course, Canada was part of that British Empire.

00:18:43.640 And let me close by showing you something that I never learned in school. And I went to school in

00:18:47.980 Canada. And I want to learn about Canada because it's my country. When did we get involved in this?

00:18:55.640 What's our role? Are we racist? As Trudeau, the ignoramus says, Trudeau, who's never read a book that

00:19:01.960 wasn't a comic. But it is a time for us as Canadians to recognize that we too have our challenges, 0.86

00:19:10.740 that black Canadians and racialized Canadians face discrimination as a lived reality every single

00:19:19.340 day. There is systemic discrimination in Canada, which means our systems treat Canadians of color,

00:19:27.760 Canadians who are racialized differently than they do others. 0.99

00:19:32.540 Yeah, read a book, you liar. Here's the truth. On July 9th, 1793, the Parliament of Upper Canada, 0.99

00:19:41.040 that's what they called Canada back then. It wasn't Canada. We passed an act against slavery. It banned

00:19:49.420 the slave trade. No slaves could be brought to Canada. And of the slaves already here, anyone born

00:19:54.760 to a slave would automatically be freed upon reaching the age of 25. Now, it wasn't a huge

00:20:00.420 issue. There weren't a lot of slaves in Canada to begin with. I read one census that put the black

00:20:05.540 population of Toronto at the time at around 16 people. But if there was any doubt, it was flattened.

00:20:11.880 John Simcoe, the lieutenant governor of Upper Canada, was an abolitionist. I'm sure they'll tear down

00:20:17.820 his statue too and rename anything with the word Simcoe in it, just like they're defacing everything else,

00:20:22.700 white and male and old. But John Simcoe abolished slavery more than 200 years ago. He helped make

00:20:29.240 Canada the place to which black Americans fled when they escaped slavery. That is our Canadian history.

00:20:37.080 I'm going to read a bit from this law because you're not going to see this on the CBC or in the

00:20:41.700 Toronto Star. Let me read from the law more than 200 years old. Whereas it is unjust that a people who

00:20:47.860 enjoy freedom by law should encourage the introduction of slavery in this province. And

00:20:52.540 whereas it is highly expedient to abolish slavery in this province, so far as the same may gradually

00:20:57.140 be done without violating private property. To grant a license for importing into the same any Negro or 0.99

00:21:03.040 Negroes shall be, and the same is hereby repealed. And that from and after the passing of this act, 1.00

00:21:08.780 it shall not be lawful for the governor, lieutenant governor, or other person administrating the

00:21:13.860 government of this province to grant a license for the importation any Negro or other person to be 0.99

00:21:18.660 subjected to the condition of a slave, or to a bounden and voluntary service for life into any

00:21:24.640 part of the province. Nor shall any Negro or other person who shall come or be brought into this 1.00

00:21:29.160 province after the passing of this act be subject to the condition of a slave, or to such service as

00:21:34.820 aforesaid within this province. Nor shall any voluntary contract of service or indentures that may be

00:21:40.880 entered into by any parties within this province after the passing of this act be binding on them

00:21:45.860 or either of them for a longer time than a term of nine years from the day of the date of such a

00:21:50.640 contract. So it's done. You couldn't even sign a contract to be a slave. Nine-year work term is the

00:21:57.360 maximum. I'll read a little bit more. I thought this was interesting. The children that shall be born of

00:22:03.260 female slaves to remain in the service of the owner of their mother until the age of 25 years when they 1.00

00:22:10.320 shall be discharged. So this law didn't set free all the existing slaves yet. That came from Britain 1.00

00:22:16.620 along with the redemption payment later. But until then the Canadian law protected the treatment of

00:22:23.040 slaves in a way. Look at this. Such master or mistress shall and is hereby required to give proper

00:22:30.280 nourishment and clothing to such child or children and shall and may put such child or children to work

00:22:35.960 and shall and may retain him or her in their service until every such child shall have attained

00:22:41.500 the age of 25 years at which time they and each of them shall be entitled to demand his or her

00:22:46.660 discharged from and shall be discharged by such master and mistress from for the service. So they

00:22:52.040 actually had a duty of care towards children. I won't go on but let me end by quoting my friend

00:22:59.800 Alam Bokhari. Now I don't know exactly Alam's background but I know he comes from the UK

00:23:04.820 but before that I know his people came from somewhere else in the British Empire and like so

00:23:10.920 many people who were the subjects of that happy and gentle empire he knows that despite all of its

00:23:16.720 flaws the British Empire was the best thing to ever happen to a place in the world because it brought 1.00

00:23:23.520 the rule of law and justice and education and health and construction and it brought the liberal

00:23:30.900 precepts of Christianity even to lands that had never heard of it before and they were the breakers 1.00

00:23:38.680 of chains. And here's what my friend Alam said last night and oh did it cause a fuss. He said and he's

00:23:45.640 not white. He said white people abolish slavery. And you know what it's true. Now there is still 0.95

00:23:55.100 slavery in parts of the world in Africa, in Arabia, in parts of Asia, even in China. There are more than

00:24:02.520 a billion people who follow a prophet who not only kept slaves himself but instructed his followers on

00:24:07.440 the power you have over a slave. You can kill a male slave, you can rape a woman slave. Best not to 1.00

00:24:12.280 talk about that though. Yeah every country has its flaws because every human being has flaws. Queen

00:24:19.940 Victoria you know other than Moses himself no one in history freed or saved or stopped more slavery

00:24:27.600 than Queen Victoria and we Canadians were right beside her in the fight. In fact we were passing

00:24:34.400 anti-slavery laws in Canada decades before she was even born. Black Lives Matter? Yeah mate we know 0.98

00:24:44.980 because we're Canadians. Maybe read a book. Stay with us for more.

00:24:51.040 Well when I first heard of Brexit I didn't know what it was about. I don't think most people

00:25:07.560 were paying attention to it. Maybe not even in the United Kingdom itself. It sort of sneaked up on

00:25:13.040 everybody. It was supposed to fail but wouldn't you know it the people had other plans. Well while the

00:25:18.940 world scratched its head about that another wave of nationalism and populism rose and it was Donald

00:25:24.600 Trump. Again the experts dismissed it. There was no chance. You know that highlight reel that Donald

00:25:30.200 Trump himself loves to tweet where every important person said no chance he'll be president and they

00:25:37.540 laughed at Ann Coulter when she said he would be. Remember this? Do it. Do it. Look at me. Do it.

00:25:45.900 I will personally write you a campaign check now on behalf of this country which does not want you to

00:25:53.360 be president but which badly wants you to run. So when you stand and deliver that State of the

00:25:59.060 Union address in no part of your mind or brain can you imagine Donald Trump standing up one day

00:26:05.140 and delivering a State of the Union address? Well I can imagine it uh in a Saturday night skit.

00:26:13.180 I continue to believe Mr. Trump will not be president. He will never be president of the United States.

00:26:18.860 And uh we better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the Republican ticket next.

00:26:23.220 I know you don't believe that but I want to go on.

00:26:25.600 Okay here we are. Ann, which Republican candidate has the best chance of winning the general election?

00:26:34.380 Of the declared ones right now Donald Trump.

00:26:44.500 Well what's going on? I'll tell you one thing. When Trump won they stopped sleepwalking and now

00:26:49.500 there's a war by the media elites against nationalism, populism. And there's an interesting

00:26:56.280 book coming out next week by Ryan James Gurdusky. The title of the book and he writes it with Harlan

00:27:02.300 Hill. The book is They're Not Listening. How the elites created the national populist revolution.

00:27:11.980 Harlan Hill was a founder of Democrats for Trump and today we are joined via Skype by his co-author

00:27:17.940 Ryan James Gurdusky from New York. Ryan what a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for being here.

00:27:22.400 Thank you for having me. Well I find this a fascinating subject. Can you define national

00:27:29.520 populism? Yes. So there's basically two major movements. There's nationalism which is the uh the

00:27:37.800 fight against global elites and international organizations and the loss of sovereignty and

00:27:43.320 then there's populism which is a class struggle really against the elites and national

00:27:47.860 populism has kind of been fused together because they're focused on the same enemy which is those

00:27:52.220 in the elites pushing globalism pushing open borders pushing uh for for more corporatist style

00:27:58.700 economics are just the same people. Um and this fusion has been going on for decades now you know

00:28:04.040 when Trump and Brexit happened people finally sat there and said hmm this is something but it's

00:28:08.040 actually been going on across the world since the 90s uh and you saw it you know as early as

00:28:13.700 Victor Orbán's victory in 1998 which is where the book starts out from uh but then it goes into the

00:28:19.040 Swiss People's Party and their election victory in 1999 you have uh the Danish People's Party in 2001

00:28:25.040 and it looks at national populism from a global perspective because it is a global movement it's

00:28:29.860 not just you know derided like it is in the media as just old white people from either the Rust Belt or

00:28:35.500 Northern England who are angry about uh the loss of sovereignty and mass immigration. You have national

00:28:40.140 populist movements parties and positions uh on every continent on the globe and the book opens up

00:28:45.200 talking about the immigration policy in Angola and Chile uh in India uh Israel and throughout Europe

00:28:52.320 and the United States and Canada as well with the Albania Quebec Coalition. And I think that it's

00:28:57.300 really important to sit there and realize that this uh that this movement goes beyond race or religion

00:29:03.420 or or creed or political orientation or you know anything or any national borders. It is a

00:29:09.260 global movement that you're seeing a pushback from neoliberalism. In Canada our media and political

00:29:16.040 elites like to say we don't have nationalism or populism here. They point to the lack of success

00:29:22.340 amongst a candidate who was squarely in that zone in the last election Maxime Bernier and the People's

00:29:28.160 Party. I would ascribe that personally to the fact that conservatives all strategically voted for the

00:29:34.600 most likely party to beat Trudeau. But Canadian establishment said no no no Canada doesn't support

00:29:41.500 populism. Canada doesn't support nationalism. We're just little mini Trudeaus who love the United

00:29:46.700 Nations, love open borders, love foreign aid, and don't even believe in a country. What would you say

00:29:52.880 to those Canadian elites? They're our competitors here and they sneer no no no Canadians are different. What

00:29:58.740 do you say to them? Well you have one the Avenir Quebec coalition which is the governing party the

00:30:03.900 absolute governing party over in the Providence of Quebec. A campaign on preserving French Canadian

00:30:08.760 culture and the first thing they did were in office were having the ban on religious garments in

00:30:14.760 government buildings and and supporting a change to their immigration policy. But there's a lot of these

00:30:20.440 rumors that go around saying these countries are immune from national populism. This was the thinking of

00:30:24.980 Spain for a very very long time that Spain could not be influenced by national populism. And in 2018

00:30:30.140 you had the creation of the Vox Party 2018 or 2017. And by 2019 the Vox Party was the third largest party

00:30:36.360 in Spain. Portugal just elected their first national populist to their parliament. No country or people

00:30:42.780 is immune to this because so long as the people are not being listened to they will gravitate towards

00:30:48.400 national populist leaders. And I in the book I separate two very very interesting countries that are

00:30:53.500 experiencing or will experience national populism. One is Canada and the other is Australia. So both

00:30:58.880 Canada and Australia in opinion polls say we want less immigration. We want it more geared toward we 1.00

00:31:04.120 want we want better living qualities in the cities. We don't want as expensive living costs in the cities.

00:31:08.800 So on Australia's side they reduced legal immigration and they said new legal immigrants cannot move to the

00:31:14.520 most overpopulated cities because we want to keep the cost of living especially with the cost of

00:31:19.120 housing lower. Trudeau did the complete opposite where he said no we're going to actually increase

00:31:24.500 legal immigration and they can move wherever they want. Which is why you had the Abednir Quebec

00:31:28.740 coalition I think winning in such a resounding number in their provincial election. And that's really the

00:31:36.680 dichotomy. And the longer that the ruling class and the governing class kind of ignores the will of people and

00:31:42.000 you'll see it in opinion poll after opinion poll. The larger the strike may be and the larger the blowback may be.

00:31:48.260 Now it may not be in the sense of having an independent of independent national populist party but independent

00:31:54.500 national populist politicians may take over an existing party the way that they did with Donald Trump.

00:31:59.720 Hmm interesting. We're talking with Ryan Gerdusky. He's the co-author of a book They're Not Listening.

00:32:06.500 How the Elites Created the National Populist Revolution. You can buy the book directly at the Amazon.ca

00:32:12.620 link below this video by the way. Hey Ryan I got a question for you. In Canada anyone who

00:32:17.840 expresses nationalist views or even patriotic views anyone who's a populist is immediately labeled

00:32:26.800 far-right, alt-right, white supremacist, racist. The worst names thrown almost reflexively especially

00:32:36.560 by the media especially our state media here which is very large. And I listened to some of the countries

00:32:42.320 you referred to you mentioned Viktor Orban in Hungary completely smeared in our Canadian media

00:32:48.000 and most of the American media too. I know that David Goldberg who is a observant Jew went there

00:32:55.360 walked around with a Jewish yarmulke on and said he felt much more comfortable expressing himself

00:33:02.160 outwardly as a Jew there than in many Western leftist European countries. I think there's a myth and I think 0.94

00:33:09.280 there's a smear against national populists that they're anti-semitic or racist or even Nazi-like.

00:33:16.960 What do you make about that? What would you say to the establishment that says no no no national

00:33:24.320 populism that's just a fancy way of saying alt-right? Right so the way that the media likes to and there's

00:33:32.720 a whole section about the media and how the media likes to characterize national populism and really

00:33:36.400 promote fake news. The way the media likes to categorize these people is in the right-left

00:33:42.080 paradigm that we're used to understanding politics. But it's not really left or right because national

00:33:46.800 populists in many places support a very strong welfare state. They support raising workers' rights.

00:33:54.480 Many support labor unions. Marine Le Pen is certainly much more economically progressive than most Democrats

00:34:00.560 in the United States for example. So it doesn't really work in the dichotomy of right versus left.

00:34:07.840 It's kind of a very lazy smear. But that's why the book talks about Modi. Modi is Indian representing a 0.89

00:34:14.880 country that is 98 percent non-white. This democratic center in Colombia, the politicians in Chile, Angola. 0.67

00:34:23.840 Angola has some of the strongest anti-illegal immigration politicians in the entire world is 0.94

00:34:30.000 in a country that is all black that is opposed to illegal immigration from other black countries.

00:34:36.000 And the book has over 700 citations so it's very well researched where you can look at the fact that

00:34:41.440 it's human nature to do things and to believe in principles like that cultures and countries and

00:34:46.800 histories are important and worth preserving. And when you are forced things like diversity from mass

00:34:52.640 diversity without the consent of the governed and over a very short period of time, trust breaks

00:34:58.320 down. Not only trust among people who are different than you, but trust among people who are the same

00:35:02.960 as you. And there's a lacking of people willing to invest in institutions, the institutions that keep

00:35:08.560 governing societies together, that keep social institutions together, that keep the peace and keep

00:35:13.440 prosperity going. Without those things, really you see a breakdown in civilization and Generation Z, which 1.00

00:35:19.920 is the most diverse generation in the United States, is the least trusting generation in the United 1.00

00:35:25.120 States. And I think that there is a very important part of that. You know, part of the great American

00:35:30.880 experiment of diversity and assimilation was 40 years of extremely low immigration levels from 1924 to 1965,

00:35:38.320 where we experienced the World War and the Korean War and the Vietnam War and mass technology and the

00:35:43.600 international highway system. And we kind of came together more and more and the Civil Rights Act

00:35:48.640 as a country. And we brought people in and we were able to assimilate. That can't happen so long as 0.56

00:35:53.120 you have mass immigration. And this is part of human nature. It is not something that is unique to white

00:35:58.160 people or to brown people or to any kinds of people. It is unique to humans, all humans. And there have

00:36:03.680 been social studies about people, you know, having those feelings towards other whites, towards other

00:36:08.640 blacks. Part of this, part of the media's reaction is truly because the media is very far, it was very

00:36:14.160 liberal. It's made a majority of white liberals. And there's been social science that sits there and

00:36:18.400 says white liberals are the only people to actually, in the United States anyway, white liberals are the

00:36:23.680 only people to have a negative inflection towards other whites, towards their own inward

00:36:30.480 racial group. So while blacks look at other blacks and have warm feelings, same with Hispanics, 1.00

00:36:36.160 same with non-liberal whites, liberal whites look at other whites and actually have a negative bias

00:36:40.960 attributed to that. And I think that that is much part of the reason you sit there and see them

00:36:45.040 sitting there and wanting to smear anybody who talks about the preservation of history and culture

00:36:50.400 and traditions. That's incredible. You know, we use the phrase self-loathing amongst many liberals.

00:36:57.440 And I'm Jewish myself and I see even some vestigial Jews who have a self-loathing towards Israel

00:37:03.920 themselves. I think it's a real curse of liberalism that people are so desperate to prove how much they care

00:37:09.600 for others that they say, well, I'll just show how I despise myself. And I think we see a lot of that

00:37:14.880 ideology at play in the race riots of the last two weeks. I think you see extremism,

00:37:21.120 extreme anti, I don't even know what you call it. When I saw a police chief from Worcester, Massachusetts,

00:37:27.600 literally lying face down on the sidewalk as some sort of self-abnegation. That is just not normal.

00:37:35.120 That's not a normal thing to do. Well, part of it is people wanting to get along with the crowd.

00:37:40.640 And but part of it is a secular religion. I mean, and that's what they have created,

00:37:44.400 um, is a secular religion. We have, they have their own version of original sin. It's called white guilt. 0.75

00:37:49.520 Uh, and only salvation can be achieved by, by, by condemning your own original sin,

00:37:55.120 um, which is being, uh, of white guilt. You have, um, you have, you have practices, you have,

00:38:02.400 um, you have iconography. Now there is all the symbolism of a pagan religion. And this is what

00:38:08.480 happens when there's the loss of real religion. When you have the loss of real religion, you don't

00:38:12.880 end up having mass atheism or people just simply believing in science. You have people believing in

00:38:17.600 bumper sticker mentalities that sit there and fill that void of emptiness that is created by

00:38:23.840 neoliberalism and just by the, the mediocrity of their own lives. Uh, and, and, you know,

00:38:30.560 the, and that is what's happened to a lot of people in the wake of the last 30 to 40 years.

00:38:35.200 You can't fill those things up with just some corporatism and cheap televisions from China. 1.00

00:38:39.520 You have to have a real belief in the nation, the people, uh, and a common faith. You don't have

00:38:43.920 to be openly religious, but religious institutions are over are overwhelmingly positive in the sense that

00:38:50.640 religious people give more to charity. They're more likely to volunteer for things. Um, this has 0.90

00:38:54.800 been re understood in social science for years and years and years and secular religion cannot replace

00:39:01.040 that. Um, and, but this is the secular religions attempt to in all, in all contexts. But going back

00:39:07.200 to the book of national populism, I think that this is the real way that, you know, Francis Fukuyama

00:39:13.200 back in the nineties said that history had come to an end, that neoliberalism was the way of the future.

00:39:17.840 And I think that this is the, I outline in the book really what national populists believe

00:39:22.000 there are nine principles. I sit there and write them out and really how the history of how they

00:39:26.960 have grown, the issues that they have ran on. And if you are a critic of national populism,

00:39:31.200 this explains it and explains the future we're going to have. If you continue to ignore the growth of

00:39:36.080 that, of that movement. Um, and if you are a supportive national populism, this really gives you the,

00:39:40.480 the facts and the figures and the statistics to really refine your arguments of why you may believe

00:39:45.520 what you believe. Maybe you don't understand the full argument of it or the social science behind

00:39:49.920 what you believe, but this will sit there and lay the groundwork for you. Yeah. Well,

00:39:53.200 I am very excited about this book. Let me just read one sentence from your promotional brochure that

00:39:58.800 really struck a chord with me. Issues like mass immigration, war, economic inequality and national

00:40:05.680 sovereignty were sacrosanct to neoliberals. And ultimately their unwillingness to concede on these

00:40:10.240 issues built discontent among millions of people. Some of those issues traditionally being the left.

00:40:16.560 It used to be the left was anti-war. It used to be the left, uh, was worried about free trade.

00:40:22.720 Yeah. Trump is the, uh, president bringing the soldiers home. Trump is the one who's fighting

00:40:29.120 China on trade like Obama never did, like Clinton never did. I think that Donald Trump's wisdom,

00:40:34.880 and maybe it's just innate and natural. I don't know if he's thought it through. He is a better

00:40:40.000 blue collar president than the official parties that left. Right. Well, and that's why I said in

00:40:45.840 the beginning of this segment that, um, it's to say it's far right is really a lazy condemnation

00:40:52.480 of, of national populace because it isn't traditional, right? I mean, there's not economic

00:40:57.120 libertarianism running through the veins of most of these leaders and most of these political parties

00:41:01.440 and these political movements. It's the understanding that your fellow patriot, your fellow countrymen

00:41:06.160 deserves respectability, deserves a life worth living and shouldn't be left out in the cold.

00:41:11.280 And if, if, if they have misfortunes of life that many, many, many people have, um, and raising national

00:41:17.360 standards for the betterment of everybody. But what happens is when you have mass immigration and you 0.99

00:41:22.720 see the abuse of that, or you see, um, not the abuse of the welfare system, but also, um, giving to

00:41:28.400 people who just came or seeing demands from people who just came to your country to alter your way of

00:41:32.960 life, people grow in distrust of those institutions. They don't want to give as much. They don't want

00:41:37.040 to care as much. And it creates a complete lack. And when you do have a dynamic candidate like a

00:41:41.200 Donald Trump or a Modi or a Salvini or a Le Pen, uh, or the Law and Justice Party or Victor Orban,

00:41:47.200 I can go on and on and on and on. Uh, uh, you will have them sitting there and saying, yeah, we,

00:41:51.760 we shouldn't believe in this. We should reject this. And it's in every continent on the globe.

00:41:56.080 It's not a white thing. It's not a European thing. It's not a, it's not a Republican thing

00:42:00.000 or our conservative party thing or people's party thing. This is a human thing. This is a

00:42:04.560 part of humanity. This is part of the way human nature works. And as we've seen with the left,

00:42:09.280 they are, their demands to rewire human nature in a vision that suits them is not sustainable.

00:42:15.680 And it doesn't, it doesn't work. It just doesn't ever seem to work since the French Revolution.

00:42:20.000 Um, and that's why they're promoting this new secular religion and hope it fills the void of,

00:42:25.040 of, you know, God, country and flag. But I don't think that it will. And there are millions of people

00:42:29.920 right now who are fuming and who are angry and, you know, they're afraid of being called a racist

00:42:34.400 and they're afraid of losing their jobs or being socially ostracized. But those feelings are there

00:42:38.240 and they will pen them up in the ballot box when they can be completely themselves with anybody else

00:42:43.280 around them. Well, I have to tell you, I mean, I talked to authors from time to time

00:42:49.440 about books that are of interest, but the way you describe your book,

00:42:53.920 it's like it sums up everything I've been talking about with our viewers here for years.

00:42:59.600 And even our foreign travels, when we traveled to the United Kingdom and we met Geert Wilders in

00:43:04.800 Amsterdam and our observations, I have to say, I am looking forward to this book greatly. And I know it

00:43:11.120 goes on sale next week. I am going to order. It's on pre-sale. That's right. Oh, that's right.

00:43:15.680 It's published next week. I was, what I meant to say was, you can order it now. I'm going to order

00:43:20.160 this now. I can hardly wait to read it. There's so many things. And I look forward to your treatment

00:43:26.240 of Quebec because I think you, I think you exactly spotted it. And you've just spoken more about the

00:43:31.360 true nature of the Coalition Avenue in Quebec than most Canadian journalists do. And you're not even a

00:43:36.000 Canadian. I can hardly wait to read it once I actually go through it. Maybe you can do us the

00:43:42.640 favor. I know you're busy with the book tour now, but once I go through it, I might have some

00:43:46.080 questions. Maybe you could do us a favor of coming back again and we'll certainly put the link.

00:43:49.840 Oh, in a heartbeat. Yeah, in a heartbeat.

00:43:51.280 Well, I have enjoyed this conversation. I follow you on Twitter and I really recommend that. And we'll

00:43:56.160 put your Twitter handle on the screen because you're always talking about these issues in a

00:44:01.360 provocative way to get my attention, but a substantive way. I've learned a lot even in

00:44:06.480 this conversation. I'm very grateful to you. And I, I'm sure it will be a best slow. I certainly

00:44:10.640 hope it will be. And I'll contribute to that myself. Well, thank you so much. I think it's

00:44:14.560 really important. You know, there's a lot of people who are sitting there and trying to jump on the

00:44:18.400 movement because they can sell stuff. And I was a Donald Trump supporter the day he walked down that

00:44:22.560 escalator. It's, I remember being five years old and telling my parents to vote for Ross Perot.

00:44:27.280 I, this has been something in my veins since I was a child and I have learned more to understand.

00:44:31.920 And I think that the best way to fight, um, those willing to suppress national populism is not by

00:44:37.840 just incendiary comments or, um, you know, fighting them. It's fighting them on the facts and the

00:44:42.880 statistics and, and the information and the studies using their own knowledge against them. I mean,

00:44:46.960 I cite the Cato Institute to talk about why mass immigration is wrong. Um, and I think that that's 0.99

00:44:51.600 very, very, very important is to use their own words and their own studies against them and try to

00:44:56.640 enlighten people to be the best forms of debaters and fighters and patriots that they could possibly

00:45:01.040 be. Well, you know what? I think I'm going to order that book and I'm going to do a book review

00:45:04.560 of it in video form. You've got me so roughed up about it. I'll let you go. Cause I know you're

00:45:08.560 busy on tour. Uh, it's a virtual tour, but it's, that's how it is. Well, there you have it. Thanks so

00:45:14.560 much for your time. And, uh, I look forward to following you on Twitter and talking to you again.

00:45:19.200 Thank you so much. All right. There you have it, Ryan, James Gerdusky,

00:45:22.160 along with Harlan Hill, the coauthors of the new book. They're not listening how the elites created

00:45:27.200 the national populist revolution. You can buy the book now in a pre order. I'm going to do that right

00:45:33.920 now. And, um, it's going to be released next week and I can have the wait to read it. What do you think?

00:45:41.200 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:45:52.240 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday. John writes 1000% self-defense. He might as well have

00:45:58.480 been out for a Sunday drive. I've seen far more aggressive drivers putting our motorways at risk

00:46:03.040 while commuting to work in Ottawa on any average morning of the week. Yeah, I do not believe he was

00:46:08.560 looking for trouble. I think he went down that street, sort of panicked, thought he would scooch

00:46:13.520 through, but he braked within one second. I think obviously he didn't want trouble. Um,

00:46:20.800 but trouble came to him. Sharon writes, good guy. No question. If the cops aren't going to help,

00:46:27.360 you help yourself. We're in survival mode. By the way, we're talking about that car in Seattle. If you

00:46:32.240 didn't catch on, uh, where the guy was mobbed, shot someone who was carjacking him and then

00:46:38.960 immediately turned himself into police. They called him a white supremacist. But in fact,

00:46:43.600 he's Hispanic. Nicholas Fernandez is his name. On my interview with Mayor Tusi,

00:46:49.680 Ron writes, Mayor Tusi is a sensible, common sense guy. Yeah. I had actually never heard of him before.

00:46:56.400 I mean, it's a big world out there and he's in the UK, but I thought, who is this fellow

00:47:01.520 getting up at dawn to go and scrub the statue of Winston Churchill? Who is that guy? Well,

00:47:08.640 I thought he was very interesting. Didn't you? Seems like a friendly fellow. I'm going to follow him

00:47:12.880 on YouTube and who knows, maybe he'll even do some videos for us from time to time, but I was glad to meet

00:47:17.120 him. Well, that's our show for today. What did you think of my show, my monologue today? Did you know

00:47:23.040 those things about Canada and slavery? Did you know that we abolished the slave trade in the 1790s?

00:47:32.080 I didn't know that. Did you know the British Empire actually took out a loan for more than a hundred

00:47:37.680 years, a massive mortgage to redeem every slave in the British Empire? I did not know that. And did

00:47:43.680 you know they had a full-time Navy squadron that for 50 years hunted down slave ships? I did not know

00:47:51.680 that because, alas, I went to government schools. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow,

00:47:58.400 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - June 11, 2020

The real story of racism and slavery in Canada doesn't fit “Black Lives Matter” narrative

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