Rebel News Podcast - The “right” to a Brazilian bikini wax？ Trans activist takes women to court

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00:01:05.520 What happens when social justice collides with women's rights? 1.00

00:01:10.680 I asked that question tonight.

00:01:13.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:23.260 I know it looks a little different than my normal green screen set in my basement.

00:01:36.920 That's because today I'm here in London at the Defend Media Freedom Conference.

00:01:41.420 I'm here with the boss.

00:01:42.380 We are asking skeptical questions of the organizers of this conference, especially in light of how Justin Trudeau's government has promised to crack down on social media and fake news,

00:01:54.360 and in light of the UK government's treatment of Tommy Robinson.

00:01:58.940 But tonight, I still have to do my normal work, my normal job, because I have to give the people what they pay for.

00:02:05.700 Tonight, I have a crazy story to bring you.

00:02:09.740 It's about a trans rights activist who is trying to use a quasi-judicial court system to force women, primarily immigrant women, 0.96

00:02:23.060 women who have English as a second language, to touch their male genitals. 1.00

00:02:30.180 It is almost too crazy to believe. 0.87

00:02:32.620 So, tonight I called in John Carpe from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:02:38.260 His lawyers are on the case defending these women in British Columbia,

00:02:41.980 and he joins me in an interview I recorded before I left for the UK.

00:03:02.620 So, joining me now to make sense of this wild and crazy case is John Carpe from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms,

00:03:10.680 because, boy, we need a lawyer to make sense of this one.

00:03:15.640 John, can you give us a bit of a backgrounder about just what's going on here?

00:03:22.100 Because there's, you know, there's some serious history beyond what's before the courts today and again next week.

00:03:31.180 Back in the spring of 2018, an individual who we refer to as JY filed human rights complaints against more than a dozen Vancouver-area women

00:03:43.340 who provide the service of a Brazilian bikini-wax to other women. 0.80

00:03:48.880 And JY is a transgender person, the trans woman, but with male genitalia. 0.96

00:03:57.200 The BC Human Rights Tribunal has issued an order requiring that the name be anonymized.

00:04:04.580 So, we refer to JY as JY.

00:04:06.340 And a lot of the women that he's targeted are visible minority women who speak English poorly,

00:04:15.300 in some cases religious women, in some cases women who work out of their own home. 0.50

00:04:20.100 And for various reasons, these women do not want to handle or touch or see or deal with male genitalia. 1.00

00:04:27.860 And so, they've turned down his request for Brazilian bikini-wax.

00:04:34.300 And then he goes and files a human rights complaint.

00:04:38.780 And a lot of these women have been pressured into settling. 1.00

00:04:43.660 He's asked for as much as $7,500 from one person, from one of the women, to settle.

00:04:53.500 However, when the esthetician retains counsel, JY's pattern previously was to withdraw the complaint.

00:05:05.340 And however, this week, July 4th and 5th, there are hearings going ahead and taking place in Vancouver.

00:05:15.260 It sounds like JY has a bit of a cottage industry going here.

00:05:19.200 I was reading from the Justice Centre press release about this.

00:05:22.320 This person has filed more than 12 complaints against Vancouver area estheticians.

00:05:29.060 And as a woman, I wonder, okay, so these are the complaints,

00:05:32.960 but how many other women have just gone ahead and complied against their will 1.00

00:05:38.020 to basically touch this man's genitals for fear of a complaint being filed?

00:05:44.320 Because I know these are, you know, new Canadian women. 1.00

00:05:47.260 A lot of them, these ladies, don't have a great grasp of the English language. 1.00

00:05:51.300 I don't think they know how to fight back.

00:05:53.040 So they just comply.

00:05:54.160 I mean, it really is terrible.

00:05:56.840 There's a, in the press release, it cites a May 30th, 2019 ruling

00:06:01.620 where the BC Human Rights Tribunal expressed concerns about the rights of transgender women

00:06:07.980 to access gender-affirming care such as waxing.

00:06:12.100 And the tribunal called this critical, even if this is a very intimate service

00:06:18.280 that is sometimes performed by women who are themselves vulnerable. 0.82

00:06:22.460 And it said that JY has a genuine grievance about pervasive discrimination against transgender women.

00:06:28.920 I mean, this is really quite horrifying to me.

00:06:33.420 Well, you're reading straight out of the tribunal's own ruling, May 30th.

00:06:40.360 And I am shocked at how there is no media at the Human Rights Tribunal on Thursday, July 4th.

00:06:48.800 Here you've got a transgender person claiming discrimination

00:06:54.020 because JY is not getting the Brazilian bikini wax. 1.00

00:07:00.180 And at the same time, you've got women, racialized women or women of color, visible minority women. 1.00

00:07:09.040 You would think the media would be all over this because it's kind of an interesting paradox and conflict.

00:07:15.460 This is the kind of conflict you get with human rights laws.

00:07:19.700 And it seems to be a boycott because, and I'm speculating here, I don't know why.

00:07:25.180 Because otherwise, this is a very interesting case.

00:07:27.480 I mean, there's an expert testified on July the 4th as to how doing a bro-zillion, man-zillion bikini wax on men

00:07:37.100 is a different procedure requiring different wax. 0.76

00:07:40.360 I mean, this was, we've got JY getting cross-examined about JY's genitalia because JY is, it's almost unmentionable.

00:07:50.000 You would think the media would be out in full force, but I think that they are trying to boycott this

00:07:55.620 in the sense that what JY is asking for is actually in a, you know, you and I might say twisted sort of way.

00:08:05.380 It, what, what JY is asking for is actually consistent with the whole transgender ideology that if our gender is based on our feelings, right?

00:08:17.940 So if I, if I feel like a woman, I am a woman, if that's true, and if everybody else needs to be forced to go along with that,

00:08:24.640 then JY, logically, you take it to its logical conclusion, uh, these, these women should be forced to deal with male parts 1.00

00:08:32.760 because, uh, reality should be trumped by JY's gender identity and feelings. 1.00

00:08:39.840 So these are real live issues, but I, I think the, uh, uh, it's a bit of an embarrassment to, um,

00:08:47.720 to this progressive ideology when you have to take things to their logical conclusion.

00:08:55.640 Well, you know, and it's just not a media blackout.

00:08:59.880 I mean, hello, where are the feminists? 1.00

00:09:02.300 These vulnerable women are being targeted by this, uh, serial human rights complainer. 0.57

00:09:09.420 Um, where are the immigrants, the immigrants rights advocates?

00:09:13.600 I mean, he's make, sorry, JY, and I don't want, I don't, I don't, I don't need a human rights complaint filed against me.

00:09:23.980 JY, um, has made, and again, this is directly from the tribunal, uh, that the tribunal was troubled that some of JY's comments made within the process

00:09:34.560 and online suggest that JY holds stereotypical and negative views about immigrants to Canada.

00:09:39.880 Where are the immigrant rights people to stand up for these women? 1.00

00:09:44.780 Um, you know, the, I, I think, uh, there's a media blackout and all these other social justice groups are avoiding this topic because like you state,

00:09:54.580 it reveals end stage social justice.

00:09:57.960 This is where all these rights hammer into each other.

00:10:01.860 And how do you decide whose rights trump whose rights?

00:10:06.660 I mean, and, and, and from what I've heard, um, it's quite the spectacle happening down at the courthouse. 0.96

00:10:15.000 Well, because JY, uh, well, JY has, has made statements online, uh, to the effect that, uh, that JY has male genitalia. 0.89

00:10:27.860 Uh, and, and, and that's also in some of his, uh, conversations with the women when he's seeking, uh, bikini wax.

00:10:35.280 Uh, although he's now stated before the tribunal that his account got hacked and he never said that,

00:10:40.620 but there was cross-examination on Thursday, July 4th, um, about JY's private parts and what are they?

00:10:48.720 And, you know, this is, this is where we're at in 2019 with, uh, with the transgender agenda where, where, um, in a, in a BC human rights tribunal,

00:10:59.720 there's cross-examination about what somebody's parts are because the tribunal said this is relevant to the women, uh, wanting to refuse to provide the service. 0.93

00:11:09.840 So that was part of the, uh, the testimony.

00:11:13.520 The other thing that, that took place Thursday, July 4th was, uh, an expert, uh, witness who was a lady who does manzillions or brozillions.

00:11:23.580 So a lady with male clients who does the waxing of the groin area to get rid of hair. 1.00

00:11:30.880 And, uh, so this woman testified in, in court and, and explained that in a lot of cases, uh, men get aroused.

00:11:38.620 And in some cases, men want sexual services and sexual favors.

00:11:43.240 And this kind of confirms the worst fears of the women who have refused to provide the service.

00:11:49.560 You know, I feel like your justice center lawyers working on this case are really learning a lot.

00:11:55.700 We've learned too much about some things that we would otherwise be blissfully ignorant about.

00:12:02.020 Yeah. And you know what?

00:12:02.980 Uh, I also question where the reasonable transgender people are on this, because as a woman, this feels a lot to me, like just some pervert who is using the justice system or rather a tribunal system to basically sexual, sexually assault women. 0.99

00:12:21.600 Um, he's J-Y, this person is, um, you know, using a tribunal system to compel unwilling women to touch male genitals. 0.96

00:12:34.560 Surely, surely there's a reasonable transgender person out there who thinks, no, this isn't really a good thing for our movement to be latching onto is what seems to me as a woman. 0.95

00:12:46.780 Um, this seems like a serial predator to me.

00:12:51.480 Well, this pits the, it, it puts the, puts the, puts the ideology on trial in a way.

00:12:58.480 Yeah.

00:12:58.720 Because the whole, um, you know, adding gender identity and gender expression to human rights legislation that swept through rather quietly, uh, all over the place because, well, maybe if, if this case had arisen a few years earlier, there might've been some opposition to it.

00:13:18.160 But this, this gets to the heart of, uh, can you force other people to go along with your feelings of self-identification?

00:13:30.540 So again, the example, right, if, if, uh, if you feel like a man, Sheila, then are you actually a man?

00:13:38.020 And do I have to agree with, with you and call you sir, or vice versa?

00:13:41.700 If I feel like a woman, does that really make me a woman?

00:13:45.200 And does the whole world then have to call me, you know, uh, Mrs. or Ms. or, or she or her?

00:13:53.040 And this is, this is at the heart of it.

00:13:55.020 Because if in fact, if in fact, uh, gender is based on feelings and self-identification, well, then, then J.Y. would be correct in saying that, that human rights are being violated by not getting this service.

00:14:10.960 Uh, but we're on the side of the women. 1.00

00:14:13.420 We're speaking up for reality.

00:14:15.080 And, uh, you know, in the same way that, uh, you've probably heard of the trans, uh, transabled, uh, people that feel that they're handicapped and they're born into, uh, a physically whole body.

00:14:29.800 They're, they're living in the wrong body, you know, so I should be somebody that's paralyzed, but I'm trapped in the body of somebody that can walk, or I should be somebody, I feel like I'm, I ought to be blind.

00:14:40.940 And I'm born into, uh, a non-blind body, uh, you know, for, for those cases, uh, typically most people say, oh, well, help them with a psychological disorder to integrate, uh, their bodily integrity, uh, right. 0.63

00:14:58.060 And give them, give them counseling so that they no longer feel unhappy about being able to see or being able to walk yet for when it comes to gender, uh, we seem to throw that out the window.

00:15:10.940 You know, I'm all, I'm old enough to remember just two years ago when conservatives were worried about compelled speech and the state forcing us to use certain pronouns under fear of, you know, tribunals coming after us.

00:15:24.000 And now just two short years later, we are talking about compelled genital fondling or genital touching.

00:15:30.940 I mean, it's, this is how fast this snowball is rolling down the hill.

00:15:38.280 You know, the only, uh, well, and you see it, you see that, uh, and this might be a little bit off topic, but this is being pushed a lot in schools, right.

00:15:49.000 Where, uh, kids are, uh, five-year-old kids are, are being taught in some cases, there is no such thing as a boy or a girl and, you know, telling a boy, you might not really be a boy.

00:16:01.920 You might actually be a girl and, and telling girls, well, you might actually be a boy.

00:16:07.160 This is all very, uh, it, it's sinister and diabolical.

00:16:11.640 It's creating a lot of, uh, a lot of confusion and, uh, in some cases harm to children.

00:16:17.280 Uh, there's, uh, I'm sure you've heard of a recent case in Ontario.

00:16:21.360 Uh, this is not a justice center case, but, uh, parents are, uh, suing the school board or it might be a human rights complaint, um, over how their daughter was damaged by being exposed to this kind of propaganda.

00:16:36.360 Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's really scary how fast this is moving, um, but thankfully we have people like the good folks at the justice center who are willing to take these cases and, you know, help these women, especially these vulnerable, uh, immigrant women navigate this system that must just be horrifying to them.

00:16:57.940 Um, how can people, uh, support the justice center and in turn support these women from what I understand, the hearings are actually open to the public and there's one coming up on the 17th, 17th in British Columbia.

00:17:10.820 And, uh, you know, I think it would be great if people showed up just to support them, even though the media isn't there to tell their story.

00:17:18.280 Yeah.

00:17:18.740 The next, uh, the next hearing would be on July the 17th.

00:17:22.860 And, um, it's interesting.

00:17:25.640 You talk about legal representation.

00:17:27.040 One of our clients actually was turned down by 26 lawyers and law firms, uh, before she learned of the availability of the justice center to, uh, to, to provide representation.

00:17:40.500 Now of the 26, I think some of them had good reasons for saying no in that maybe they, they don't practice in human rights law at all.

00:17:48.800 And they have no familiarity with it.

00:17:50.440 And a smart lawyer will try to avoid, you know, jumping into things that, that, that he or she is not familiar with.

00:17:57.820 So, you know, that's all fair and good, but there were others who are quite qualified.

00:18:02.340 They're terrified of the trans lobby and its rainbow flag allies. 0.97

00:18:06.440 And they're terrified of being called, uh, transphobic, transphobic bigot, hateful, transphobic bigot. 0.96

00:18:13.860 People are terrified of the name calling.

00:18:16.420 So one woman actually was, it was turned down by 26 lawyers and firms before getting representation, uh, from us. 0.88

00:18:23.900 And so we do, we do rely, if people want more information on the case, they're welcome to go to our website, www.jccf.ca.

00:18:33.420 So JCCF, Justice Center, Constitutional Freedoms.

00:18:36.560 Uh, and we gladly accept donations in support of our work, uh, because our funding is a hundred percent from people who support, uh, the work that we're doing.

00:18:46.240 We do not ask for, do not receive any government funding.

00:18:50.640 And so, uh, you know, we appreciate support, uh, from the public for our work.

00:18:55.600 Yeah, it's nice to have a legal arm like the J, the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, um, out there on the front lines of the culture war, the way you are.

00:19:04.860 Uh, John, I want to thank you so much for, uh, being so generous with your time today.

00:19:08.820 And, uh, you know, I wish you and your team the best of luck on the 17th, and we'll be following this very closely.

00:19:14.840 All right, thanks, Sheila.

00:19:16.560 Thanks for having me on your show, and have a great day.

00:19:18.520 I will.

00:19:18.920 Thank you, John.

00:19:31.460 Boy, I don't know about you, but I am sure glad that John Carpe and his team at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms are fighting these battles for freedom.

00:19:39.100 These battles that are almost too crazy to believe.

00:19:43.380 Well, I want to thank everybody at home also for tuning in tonight to watch this abbreviated version of the gun show while Ezra and I are here in the UK doing our part to fight for freedom.

00:19:55.960 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

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00:19:59.860 Thank you.

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Rebel News Podcast - July 11, 2019

The “right” to a Brazilian bikini wax？ Trans activist takes women to court

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