Rebel News Podcast - August 08, 2018


Three months before U.S. midterms, Infowars purged from the internet. Who will be next？


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

166.7616

Word Count

8,100

Sentence Count

424

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

InfoWars founder Alex Jones has been banned from most of the internet and all of his podcasts have been deleted from all of the major social media platforms within 12 hours of each other. Why is this happening and why is it so bad?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, every single tech company decided to ban the same conservative news service all on the same day.
00:00:06.680 Three months before the U.S. midterm elections, the purge has begun.
00:00:10.920 It's August 7th and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:19.180 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:23.040 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:26.660 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.
00:00:30.000 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:40.320 The massive independent news and opinion site called InfoWars was banned from most of the internet yesterday.
00:00:48.520 All at once.
00:00:50.380 Facebook banned them, YouTube, even though they had millions of subscribers.
00:00:55.980 Smaller social media sites like Pinterest.
00:00:58.360 Apple deleted every single one of their podcasts ever.
00:01:04.660 Years of them.
00:01:06.180 I'm talking about Alex Jones and the website InfoWars.com.
00:01:10.960 They didn't say why they were banned, these social media companies.
00:01:15.080 They didn't say this YouTube video is unacceptable for this reason and that Facebook post is unacceptable for that reason.
00:01:23.180 I mean, that could make sense, I suppose.
00:01:25.500 Perhaps Alex Jones and InfoWars did something that was unacceptable under their terms of service.
00:01:30.540 Could be.
00:01:31.660 Though you can find just about anything on Facebook or YouTube that's not banned.
00:01:37.060 No, they all just deleted everything.
00:01:41.160 Anything.
00:01:42.300 Going back years.
00:01:43.400 Decades in some cases.
00:01:44.780 Alex Jones has been online since before most people were online.
00:01:49.200 He's been there since the 90s.
00:01:51.780 Now he's gone.
00:01:53.000 He's just a rumor.
00:01:54.260 He's been unpersoned.
00:01:57.200 Why?
00:01:57.840 Why now?
00:01:58.960 Why all of these social media companies, all these tech companies doing it all within 12 hours of each other?
00:02:05.220 Why the great purge?
00:02:07.240 Is it because Alex Jones and his company InfoWars have massive reach?
00:02:12.180 Not to the fancy people, not to liberals, not in Manhattan or Hollywood, but in flyover country, in red state America, with people who are dissidents.
00:02:20.180 People who Hillary Clinton would call deplorable.
00:02:23.500 Jones was an early backer of Donald Trump and promoted him.
00:02:26.860 Donald Trump appeared on Jones' shows.
00:02:29.100 Is that why he's been banned?
00:02:30.860 But why now?
00:02:31.440 Well, is the reason for the timing that it's just three months before the U.S. midterm elections?
00:02:37.260 Shut down a major voice on the right?
00:02:40.180 Perhaps you've never heard of Alex Jones.
00:02:41.860 Or perhaps you've only heard of him in outtakes from his show that are shown on late night liberal comedy shows mocking him.
00:02:49.220 Perhaps you hate him or ridicule him.
00:02:51.560 And that's fine.
00:02:52.520 But since when has that caused for someone to be unpersoned, literally to have every single word they've ever said or everything they've done just wiped out, deleted, by all the tech companies operating in concert?
00:03:07.940 I've been on Alex Jones' show once.
00:03:10.220 I watch it once in a while.
00:03:11.760 I'm not his spokesman.
00:03:12.880 I simply don't know enough about him or InfoWars.
00:03:15.500 But here's what I do know.
00:03:16.760 He's based in Texas.
00:03:17.960 And like everything in Texas, he's larger than life.
00:03:20.600 He's over the top.
00:03:21.660 He's entertaining.
00:03:22.360 He's loud.
00:03:22.840 He's funny.
00:03:23.900 He's outrageous.
00:03:24.660 He gets into trouble.
00:03:25.580 He goes too far.
00:03:26.400 He indulges in speculation and even in conspiracy theories.
00:03:30.440 He would be impossible in any other country because no other country has the First Amendment like the United States does.
00:03:37.440 So he can say things, whatever he wants, really.
00:03:40.060 And if you don't like it, don't watch it.
00:03:43.680 Sometimes he's very perceptive.
00:03:45.020 Sometimes he uses hyperbole, engages in logical leaps.
00:03:48.160 I think he does it on purpose to show where we could be headed on some trends, the slippery slope.
00:03:53.240 He's a dissident.
00:03:54.580 That's what dissidents do.
00:03:55.940 They dissent.
00:03:56.700 They warn.
00:03:57.560 They raise the alarm.
00:03:58.940 They're not always right.
00:03:59.940 They can't always be right.
00:04:01.100 But I think we need people like them on the right and on the left, I think.
00:04:05.760 But only dissidents on the right are ever banned.
00:04:09.880 A left-wing counterpart to Infowars called the Young Turks is full of conspiracy theory touting kooks on the left, full of profanity and obscenity.
00:04:17.980 Great, no problem.
00:04:19.540 The more debate, the merrier.
00:04:21.020 Don't like it, don't watch it.
00:04:22.040 But they're not deleted by all the tech companies all on the same day.
00:04:28.200 Imagine that.
00:04:28.980 Apple, Google, YouTube, Facebook, Pinterest even.
00:04:33.280 All of them banned Alex Jones within 12 hours.
00:04:36.760 You'd call that a conspiracy theory if someone said it would happen.
00:04:40.060 Alex Jones said it would happen and it did happen.
00:04:43.260 So it's not a conspiracy theory, is it?
00:04:45.640 It's a conspiracy fact.
00:04:46.880 What's worse is that this ban was egged on by the media party, by the establishment media who want to silence him.
00:04:54.720 Oh, I don't know, for business competitive reasons, for sure.
00:04:57.320 But also for ideological conformity reasons.
00:05:00.820 As in, they hate that someone else is breaking their business cartel, their grip on viewers.
00:05:05.580 But they also hate that someone is breaking their ideas cartel.
00:05:09.520 Someone is talking about things that they don't want talked about.
00:05:12.720 Look at this tweet from a CNN reporter just a few weeks ago.
00:05:16.880 This is CNN's Oliver Darcy.
00:05:19.400 Facebook invited me to an event today where the company aimed to tout its commitment to fighting fake news and misinformation.
00:05:25.320 I asked them why InfoWars is still allowed on the platform.
00:05:28.700 I didn't get a good answer.
00:05:31.360 That's one of dozens of tweets that he did demanding that his conservative rivals be censored.
00:05:38.640 And Facebook did.
00:05:40.200 They listened to him.
00:05:41.700 CNN whines about Donald Trump being really mean to the media.
00:05:45.480 But Donald Trump has not called for CNN to be banned or shut down.
00:05:48.900 He mocks them.
00:05:49.960 That's his free speech.
00:05:51.700 CNN calls for InfoWars to be shut down.
00:05:53.980 And it happened.
00:05:55.380 And they're gleeful.
00:05:56.780 And here's the New York Times today.
00:05:58.780 They're aiming for the one last social media company that, at least at the minute I record this video, has not yet banned him.
00:06:05.060 Yet.
00:06:05.800 And that's Twitter.
00:06:06.600 Here's the New York Times on that.
00:06:08.480 Facebook, YouTube, Pinterest, and Apple have removed Alex Jones and InfoWars from their platforms should Twitter follow suits.
00:06:16.100 All the liberal media smell blood.
00:06:17.800 They're a mob.
00:06:18.400 They're literally calling up anyone who does business with Alex Jones and pressuring them, bullying them, embarrassing them, threatening them, maybe.
00:06:25.080 I don't know.
00:06:26.300 Unless they ban him, too.
00:06:28.560 No one is standing up to this.
00:06:30.140 Not the ACLU.
00:06:31.320 Not the free speech groups.
00:06:32.620 Not any press association that I've seen.
00:06:35.940 Actually, they've become the mob, haven't they?
00:06:37.520 No normal person would want to censor Alex Jones.
00:06:39.920 If you don't like Alex Jones, don't watch him.
00:06:42.300 Or watch him to laugh him and mock him or debate him.
00:06:45.140 I don't know.
00:06:45.600 I don't care.
00:06:46.060 Only hardcore leftists, the Antifa types, the alt-left types, the Democrats, want to deplatform and censor their enemies.
00:06:54.940 Hand in hand with the Democratic Party.
00:06:57.360 Here's a Democrat senator from Connecticut who tweeted,
00:07:02.260 InfoWars is the tip of a giant iceberg of hate and lies that uses sites like Facebook and YouTube.
00:07:07.520 To tear our nation apart.
00:07:09.400 These companies must do more than take down one website.
00:07:12.580 The survival of our democracy depends on it.
00:07:15.740 Really?
00:07:17.080 Does the survival of the U.S. democracy depend on censoring people that politicians say should be censored?
00:07:23.960 Hate and lies.
00:07:24.900 Well, maybe.
00:07:26.300 Maybe Alex Jones engages in hate and lies.
00:07:28.380 But I think the left hate and lies him right back.
00:07:32.160 Since when we ban a natural human emotion, that's what hate is.
00:07:36.020 What does it mean to ban hate?
00:07:37.680 You can make the same video but only if you feel happy inside?
00:07:41.260 You can't do a video if you're feeling mad about something?
00:07:44.820 What on earth would that be?
00:07:47.060 Lies.
00:07:47.540 Right.
00:07:47.920 It's not against the law to lie or to make factual mistakes or to exaggerate.
00:07:52.060 If it were, there really wouldn't be any journalists or politicians left standing.
00:07:56.120 The U.S. and to a lesser degree Canada permits people to be angry.
00:07:59.920 In fact, speaking out when you're angry is a safety valve.
00:08:02.500 It's better than blowing things up.
00:08:03.900 Which is what they do in places without freedom of expression.
00:08:06.440 Where there is no constructive outlet.
00:08:08.160 But it's not against the law to lie, by the way.
00:08:10.640 Congress and Parliament would be empty if it was.
00:08:13.600 But more to the point, we are all allowed to make up our own minds about whether someone
00:08:17.280 is telling the truth.
00:08:18.440 Lying is merely wrong or is just stating an opinion.
00:08:21.460 We don't hand that power over to politicians or, in this case, secretive corporations.
00:08:25.620 Really, whatever can be said about Alex Jones and Infowars, when it comes to speculation
00:08:30.800 or fake news, can be said just as much about many other broadcasters.
00:08:35.240 No one less than the great Dan Rather.
00:08:38.160 Literally used forged documents in the days before the U.S. 2004 presidential election
00:08:43.300 to claim that George W. Bush got an inappropriate excuse from serving in the military.
00:08:49.560 The documents were forged.
00:08:52.800 Dan Rather used them anyways.
00:08:54.240 He's the grandpa of fake news.
00:08:56.140 And as you can see by that story, a decade later, Dan Rather and half of the media are
00:09:00.500 still insisting that they were true enough.
00:09:02.900 My point is that conspiracy theories, speculations, false news, outrageousness, and just plain old
00:09:08.880 mistakes, they're not just the property of the right or the left or anyone.
00:09:13.120 You might recall shortly after Donald Trump was elected, the CBC literally hired actors.
00:09:18.540 You can see them here.
00:09:20.040 To go onto Toronto city streets, Montreal city streets that pretend to be racist and walk
00:09:26.020 through Canadian streets trying to entrap unsuspecting Canadians with racist comments and getting
00:09:32.260 them to buy racist shirts.
00:09:35.400 There was no real racism there, not enough to find and report.
00:09:38.200 So the state broadcaster used your tax dollars to literally pay actors to pretend.
00:09:44.040 And they filmed it and they called that news.
00:09:46.240 So yeah, call Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I'll put the CBC in 60 minutes
00:09:51.800 in the same bag.
00:09:53.260 You don't have to like him, but he's got an enormous following, Alex Jones.
00:09:55.980 Tens of millions of viewers every month.
00:09:57.940 Huge.
00:09:58.280 He's been at this for really 20 years.
00:10:01.760 This is 1999.
00:10:03.640 He really is an internet pioneer.
00:10:05.380 What else you have to have to say?
00:10:06.460 Whatever else you have to say about him.
00:10:07.920 He's over the top.
00:10:08.580 Absolutely.
00:10:09.480 But he's done real journalism that others haven't.
00:10:12.200 Like when he sneaked into that ultra elite gathering each year in California called the
00:10:16.740 Bohemian Grove, that's a bizarre secret club of the ultra elite, including several former
00:10:22.980 U.S. presidents.
00:10:23.780 Even Stephen Harper has attended one of their secret summer camps.
00:10:27.180 It's a summer camp for grownups and it's secret and it's by invitation only and only guys
00:10:34.180 allowed and, you know, the world's top bankers and military leaders and politicians.
00:10:38.820 It's really weird.
00:10:39.880 And Alex Jones sneaked in there with a video camera and did some real reporting, including
00:10:45.700 their bizarre rituals.
00:10:46.800 I'm just going to show you in 90 seconds.
00:10:48.520 This is what Alex Jones filmed in this secret society.
00:10:53.620 Begone, dole care.
00:10:55.980 Fire shall have its will of thee.
00:10:58.600 Begone, dole care.
00:11:00.660 And all the winds make merry with thy doubt.
00:11:04.620 Hail, fellowships, eternal flame.
00:11:07.040 Once again, Midsommar sets us free.
00:11:12.160 Thank you.
00:11:42.160 Thank you
00:12:12.160 That's just weird, but that's real reporting
00:12:26.300 about something a bit occult, a bit odd.
00:12:29.460 That's Alex Jones' specialty.
00:12:30.760 He goes too far sometimes, but so what?
00:12:32.920 Don't watch him if you don't like it.
00:12:35.020 But banning him?
00:12:37.280 But it's not just him.
00:12:38.020 He's the first to go, but you think he'll be the last?
00:12:43.020 Yesterday, Tommy Robinson was banned from Instagram,
00:12:47.320 which is a photo-sharing service.
00:12:49.540 It's owned by Facebook.
00:12:50.480 He was already banned by Twitter.
00:12:51.840 I think it's a 50-50 chance he'll be kicked off Facebook.
00:12:55.660 He has nearly 900,000 followers on Facebook, but so what?
00:12:58.960 He had 400,000 followers on Twitter, and they just kicked him off.
00:13:02.800 I, myself, for the first time ever, was locked out of Twitter over the weekend.
00:13:06.520 It was bizarre.
00:13:07.820 It was a comment I wrote literally four years ago.
00:13:12.160 I don't even know what it was referring to now.
00:13:14.920 Twitter said I had violated some obscure foreign rule,
00:13:20.640 and I had to delete it, or I couldn't continue with Twitter.
00:13:23.620 I've made almost 100,000 tweets in the past 10 years.
00:13:26.620 Something from four years ago, obviously dug up by some George Soros-funded leftist activist group,
00:13:32.520 was used to shut me down.
00:13:33.720 And that's probably what happened against Alex Jones and Infowars.
00:13:37.760 A directed, organized campaign likely spent months going through everything Jones has ever said or done or written,
00:13:44.600 and probably put together a detailed dossier and shopped it privately to these Internet companies all at the same time,
00:13:51.160 and started to really pressure them.
00:13:53.360 And CNN was obviously part of this, too.
00:13:55.300 They were the stalking horse.
00:13:56.640 They were boasting about it.
00:13:58.240 And when the first company caved in, the rest of them caved in, too.
00:14:02.080 I mean, who would want to be the last one left standing by Alex Jones, right?
00:14:05.300 I mean, look at that New York Times pressure poll on Twitter.
00:14:07.880 I'm sure they have the dossier, too.
00:14:09.500 Everyone has it except for Alex Jones and Infowars.
00:14:12.360 They weren't shown the complaints against them.
00:14:14.500 They had no chance to explain or remedy a problem or appeal.
00:14:18.820 No, no.
00:14:19.320 This is coordinated.
00:14:20.900 With the Democrats, too.
00:14:22.040 You saw that senator.
00:14:23.040 But, of course, Silicon Valley is just a fancy way of saying San Francisco.
00:14:27.400 They're all Democrats out there.
00:14:29.640 It's the home of Berkeley and Antifa and other left-wing extremists.
00:14:33.560 They're all hardcore left-wing.
00:14:36.060 And they know their job.
00:14:39.020 Stop Donald Trump.
00:14:41.240 They know that Donald Trump won in 2016 on the Internet,
00:14:43.740 and they want to derail him for the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential election.
00:14:48.780 They want to silence the right.
00:14:50.960 They want to start with Alex Jones because he's controversial,
00:14:54.100 and many moderates love to hate him.
00:14:55.940 And he talks about conspiracy theories.
00:14:57.760 But if they can take him down with his millions of viewers,
00:15:00.840 they can take anyone down.
00:15:02.940 Breitbart will obviously be next in the U.S.
00:15:06.300 And, of course, we're enemy number one here in Canada.
00:15:08.460 Remember this story of Justin Trudeau personally threatening the COO of Facebook
00:15:12.920 that if she doesn't shut down Facebook pages that Justin Trudeau doesn't like
00:15:17.120 before the 2019 federal election, he will force Facebook to do so through regulation.
00:15:22.420 Gee, who's he talking about?
00:15:23.560 Well, Gerald Butts will answer that.
00:15:25.260 He's Justin Trudeau's principal secretary.
00:15:27.120 He is obsessed with the rebel.
00:15:29.760 He's already demanded that Twitter delete any satirical accounts
00:15:33.900 that mock liberal cabinet ministers.
00:15:35.600 And Twitter complied with him.
00:15:38.000 And I've shown you before how British MPs have positively shouted at YouTube
00:15:42.820 demanding they delete Tommy Robinson's videos.
00:15:46.400 I mean, they are appearing.
00:15:47.800 They are in my recommended timeline at the moment.
00:15:50.680 So because I've been searching on my iPad for national action videos,
00:15:56.120 I, as a result, have the first two videos recommended to me by YouTube
00:16:01.980 when I just click on, as I've just done this afternoon, I click on to YouTube,
00:16:06.660 the first two recommendations are Tommy Robinson videos.
00:16:11.120 So the Tommy Robinson that was identified as part of the Finsbury Park online radicalisation process,
00:16:16.920 that's what YouTube's recommended.
00:16:18.700 I've not searched for it.
00:16:20.280 YouTube has recommended that to me.
00:16:23.080 Doesn't that cause you some serious alarm?
00:16:25.220 I can't speak to these particular videos.
00:16:27.580 Personally, it causes me a lot of alarm, but I will take this back to our team
00:16:31.960 and see why this has happened.
00:16:33.340 It's not even just about the individual videos.
00:16:34.960 It's actually a recommended channel.
00:16:36.460 I have got up here.
00:16:37.480 It is coming up as my recommended channels
00:16:39.840 that one of the recommended channels for me is Tommy Robinson recommended channel.
00:16:47.140 They're not even hiding it.
00:16:48.400 It's a war on freedom.
00:16:49.740 It's a great purge.
00:16:51.420 They won't stop with Tommy Robinson and Infowars.
00:16:53.920 They'll move on to us, too, of course, and not a peep from the media against it.
00:16:59.720 They all love that their ideological and business rivals are being run out of business.
00:17:05.920 Have you heard from the ACLU, from Reporters Without Borders,
00:17:09.060 from the White House Correspondents Association, from any media association?
00:17:15.120 I'm kidding.
00:17:16.360 Of course you haven't.
00:17:18.260 Alex Jones was one of the biggest things on the Internet until yesterday.
00:17:22.040 Today, go on Apple, YouTube, Facebook.
00:17:25.720 He's just a rumor.
00:17:27.560 He's been unpersoned.
00:17:28.860 He's been thrown down the memory hole, as Orwell would say.
00:17:32.580 Maybe that's going to happen to me one day.
00:17:34.440 Maybe that'll happen to the rebel one day.
00:17:37.320 And maybe it'll happen to you the day after.
00:17:40.180 Oh, well.
00:17:41.400 At least we'll all be able to watch fun cat videos online
00:17:45.160 and all the pop songs we can stomach.
00:17:49.080 Stay with us for more on this.
00:17:50.600 Welcome back.
00:18:08.180 Well, the role of censorship of these tech giants is terrifying to me
00:18:12.440 and has been for a couple of years, ever since I read that op-ed by Eric Schmidt,
00:18:17.720 the senior executive at Google.
00:18:20.540 He was writing in the New York Times,
00:18:22.660 dreaming about a day when there would be a spell checker, but for hate.
00:18:29.380 He wasn't whispering this in some secret meeting.
00:18:32.160 He was writing about this boastfully in the New York Times.
00:18:36.200 Imagine that.
00:18:36.840 You're writing an email to a friend.
00:18:38.040 You're typing some Facebook post,
00:18:40.120 and it corrects your wrong think.
00:18:43.440 The same way we have autocorrect for spelling.
00:18:46.900 Imagine that if the ultra left-wing bosses at the social media companies
00:18:52.640 could design a spell checker, but for your illegal emotions.
00:18:59.480 Well, I think we are pretty much at that stage now, and who better to talk about it
00:19:03.620 than what I think is the world's leading journalist on the matter of censorship
00:19:08.940 by these Silicon Valley billionaires?
00:19:11.880 Our friend Alan Bokhari.
00:19:13.720 He is the senior technology correspondent at Bright Bar News.
00:19:16.960 I'm great to see you again.
00:19:18.300 Unfortunately, it is because of bad news.
00:19:20.260 Alex Jones and Infowars just deleted en masse, vaporized,
00:19:24.040 thrown down the memory hole, as Orwell would say,
00:19:25.960 on pretty much every platform out there except for Twitter.
00:19:29.280 Yeah, it was like a set of dominoes.
00:19:32.420 First, Apple took them off their store, and then Facebook, then YouTube,
00:19:38.220 then Spotify, then finally Pinterest.
00:19:40.680 I didn't even know that people still use Pinterest.
00:19:43.360 But all of these platforms, one after another in the space of 24 hours,
00:19:47.060 banned Alex Jones and Infowars.
00:19:49.760 And regardless of how you feel about Infowars, whether you're a fan or not,
00:19:53.780 I think everyone should be concerned that a handful of Silicon Valley executives
00:19:59.600 essentially gets to decide who has a platform on the Internet and who doesn't.
00:20:04.860 And of course, you can say, well, Alex Jones still has his own website.
00:20:07.560 But the reality of the web today is if you don't have access to these distribution channels
00:20:12.440 like Facebook and YouTube and the App Store and the Google Play Store,
00:20:16.160 which CNN are now campaigning to get inbound there as well,
00:20:19.060 then you are severely limited in your audience.
00:20:21.660 You know, Mark Tracy, who is a left-of-centre commentator, he said just...
00:20:30.640 He actually works for the Young Turks. He's a very left-man.
00:20:33.320 Yeah. He's quite thoughtful about free speech.
00:20:36.940 He says, just for the sheer public record,
00:20:41.300 Alex Jones interviewed world leaders, political leaders.
00:20:44.300 I mean, he interviewed Donald Trump famously.
00:20:45.940 And, you know, he has an enormous track record of public life.
00:20:50.640 And some of it was accurate and some of it wasn't.
00:20:53.240 And some of it was hilarious and entertaining.
00:20:55.200 And some was dispiriting, whatever.
00:20:57.160 But just to vaporize it, to turn that whole thing into a rumor,
00:21:01.220 to delete his entire body of work,
00:21:06.480 to un-person him.
00:21:08.880 I mean, there's...
00:21:09.880 I've talked about this on other occasions,
00:21:12.680 that old Roman concept of damnatio memoriae,
00:21:17.280 to delete someone from any memory,
00:21:20.380 to scrape them off of paintings,
00:21:22.160 to destroy sculptures of them,
00:21:24.180 to make it illegal to even say their name.
00:21:28.580 That was a crazy concept by...
00:21:31.200 Or the old Stalin thing where he removed...
00:21:33.880 That's right.
00:21:34.880 It's very Stalinistic when they would edit photos.
00:21:37.160 That's what it is for Apple to delete an entire body of work.
00:21:40.780 Sorry, I'm ranting too much.
00:21:41.980 Let's hear from you, Alan.
00:21:44.940 No, I mean, you're absolutely right.
00:21:46.700 We've allowed these really unaccountable tech companies
00:21:50.660 to amass a huge amount of power
00:21:52.320 over what we can see on the Internet
00:21:55.060 and what will be recorded.
00:21:57.080 I mean, you know, Alex Jones' entire archive of videos
00:21:59.980 is now inaccessible on YouTube.
00:22:01.920 You can't find them.
00:22:03.880 Yes, Alex Jones still has them himself,
00:22:06.100 but they're just being banished from the Internet.
00:22:08.700 The Internet has become this repository of information
00:22:10.780 where people go for research purposes,
00:22:14.540 for all manner of things,
00:22:15.320 and now people can't access this.
00:22:17.420 And even if you totally disagree with Alex Jones,
00:22:20.060 he's still been an important political figure,
00:22:22.660 especially over the past few years.
00:22:25.000 And what's growing in importance
00:22:26.300 is probably why they terminated his accounts.
00:22:28.640 And I think it all comes down to, like,
00:22:33.520 again, it comes down to your view of,
00:22:36.200 I think I mentioned this before,
00:22:37.700 it comes down to your view of human nature
00:22:39.060 and how gullible you think people are.
00:22:41.840 I mean, if you think Alex Jones is this terrible conspiracy theorist
00:22:44.980 who peddles false news,
00:22:47.020 then why don't you trust ordinary people
00:22:49.160 to make that determination for themselves?
00:22:51.320 Why does it have to be, you know,
00:22:53.560 a handful of elites in Silicon Valley?
00:22:55.000 Why do they know better than the average user?
00:22:58.120 Yeah.
00:22:58.760 And by the way,
00:23:00.900 sometimes I watch things that I know
00:23:02.880 are fantastical or fabulous
00:23:04.880 because I want to know what the other side of the story is,
00:23:08.680 because I want to be entertained.
00:23:11.120 For whatever reasons,
00:23:12.260 I don't need to explain myself.
00:23:14.400 And obviously,
00:23:15.160 if literally millions of people
00:23:17.120 positively opted in
00:23:19.220 to get his YouTube videos
00:23:21.340 and Facebook comments by signing up,
00:23:23.360 I mean, you don't have to watch him,
00:23:25.440 but obviously millions of people want to.
00:23:28.420 It's quite something for Facebook, YouTube, Google,
00:23:31.480 not yet Twitter,
00:23:33.120 but I think they'll fall soon.
00:23:34.720 It's quite something for them to say,
00:23:36.320 we disagree with millions of our customers.
00:23:39.520 We will not let you hear from this person.
00:23:42.680 But what's so weird, Alan,
00:23:44.360 is that they will not particularize what the beef is.
00:23:47.520 They didn't say,
00:23:48.500 this video on that day broke this rule.
00:23:51.660 They just said, all your work's ever.
00:23:53.860 You are a person that has to be unpersoned.
00:23:56.540 I find that creepy.
00:23:59.540 Yeah, it doesn't make sense at all
00:24:02.060 that they'd all ban him in the space for 24 hours as well.
00:24:05.140 So they all suddenly decided independently
00:24:07.640 that he suddenly violated their rules.
00:24:10.400 That doesn't make sense.
00:24:11.680 I mean, clearly they saw Apple,
00:24:14.300 either they were coordinating
00:24:15.360 or they saw Apple taking action
00:24:16.720 and thought, okay,
00:24:17.220 it's time for us to take action as well.
00:24:18.560 So the idea that they independently
00:24:21.420 looked at their own rules
00:24:22.780 and decided on that day
00:24:24.080 in the space of 24 hours
00:24:25.220 that Ag Jones is violating the rules
00:24:27.280 of each particular platform that exists,
00:24:29.220 it sounds like nonsense to me.
00:24:30.920 And that every single video of his
00:24:32.620 happened to violate the rules.
00:24:33.680 I mean, I know that we here at The Rebel
00:24:35.780 have produced more than 9,000 videos
00:24:38.600 and we're only three and a half years old.
00:24:40.440 I can only imagine his body of work
00:24:43.340 was much larger to vaporize them all.
00:24:45.760 That's another good point, actually.
00:24:48.240 It's a very draconian.
00:24:49.300 A lot of these tech companies
00:24:50.860 leap straight as extremely draconian punishments
00:24:53.680 for people they don't like.
00:24:56.060 So Patreon, for example,
00:24:57.400 they permanently banned Brittany Pettibone
00:25:00.560 a few months ago
00:25:03.140 and there was no review period.
00:25:06.160 But on the other hand,
00:25:06.940 I recently did a story
00:25:07.620 about this far-left podcast host
00:25:10.080 who was openly advocating for violence
00:25:11.780 against right-wing protesters on Twitter.
00:25:14.860 And that's supposed to be
00:25:15.940 a big no-no for Patreon.
00:25:17.560 But what they did is
00:25:18.600 they placed his account under review
00:25:20.260 and then they let him back on
00:25:21.940 after he deleted the tweets.
00:25:23.320 So they'll take these draconian measures
00:25:25.080 like wiping all of Alex Jones' channel,
00:25:28.940 whereas they'll be far more lenient
00:25:31.200 to people they have ideological agreements with.
00:25:34.880 And the other thing is
00:25:35.800 why do they even need to be so draconian?
00:25:38.000 If there's a particular Alex Jones video
00:25:40.440 they object to,
00:25:41.240 why don't they just ban that one?
00:25:43.620 I'm not saying I support that,
00:25:45.340 but it seems to be massive overkill
00:25:47.120 to ban the entire channel
00:25:49.360 just for one or two videos.
00:25:50.560 And I think that goes
00:25:51.140 for all channel bans, frankly.
00:25:53.000 Yeah.
00:25:53.660 You know, someone,
00:25:54.440 I was talking about this
00:25:56.240 on Twitter over the weekend
00:25:57.120 and someone said,
00:25:57.820 well, you know,
00:25:59.440 you wouldn't expect them
00:26:00.380 to carry works by Adolf Hitler,
00:26:02.560 would you?
00:26:02.960 Well, out of curiosity,
00:26:04.140 I went to the Apple store
00:26:06.320 and I typed in Mein Kampf
00:26:09.100 and hit after hit after hit.
00:26:11.700 You can get it as an audio book.
00:26:13.500 You can get it as a podcast.
00:26:15.480 And I think that's appropriate
00:26:16.720 because it's a historical work
00:26:18.240 that's very relevant.
00:26:20.380 And why would we pretend it never happened?
00:26:24.420 I mean...
00:26:25.820 And also,
00:26:26.560 how poor must your opinion be
00:26:28.240 of ordinary people
00:26:29.060 if you think
00:26:29.540 if they're allowed to access
00:26:30.620 this sort of forbidden knowledge
00:26:31.760 will somehow be corrupted
00:26:32.640 and turn into racists
00:26:33.720 and neo-Nazis.
00:26:34.880 And that's ridiculous.
00:26:35.620 Obviously, a small minority
00:26:36.560 will always be extremists.
00:26:38.320 But this idea
00:26:39.180 that allowing hate speech
00:26:41.300 to circulate
00:26:42.080 will somehow corrupt humanity
00:26:43.620 means you have
00:26:44.080 a pretty poor idea of humanity
00:26:45.700 and, you know,
00:26:46.480 their rationality.
00:26:47.880 You know,
00:26:48.420 I want to refer to Mike Tracy
00:26:49.560 one more time
00:26:50.160 only because,
00:26:51.120 as you point out,
00:26:51.720 he's a thoughtful
00:26:52.460 leftist libertarian
00:26:54.580 from the Young Turks,
00:26:56.080 which is sort of like
00:26:56.940 the Alex Jones of the left.
00:26:58.600 Like, they go too far.
00:26:59.800 They're over the top.
00:27:00.680 They're outrageous.
00:27:01.800 They swear.
00:27:03.320 They really are mirror images
00:27:04.800 in certain ways,
00:27:05.820 but, you know,
00:27:06.940 they're leftists.
00:27:07.780 So they're celebrated
00:27:08.880 by YouTube.
00:27:10.040 YouTube's president
00:27:10.800 has photos taken
00:27:12.300 with the Young Turks.
00:27:13.280 But this Michael Tracy,
00:27:14.460 he challenged libertarians
00:27:17.480 on the right.
00:27:18.040 And I know you have
00:27:18.840 lately, Alan, too.
00:27:20.100 And I think this is
00:27:21.660 something I'd love you
00:27:22.280 to expand on.
00:27:23.760 The traditional
00:27:24.580 pure libertarian response
00:27:26.820 is, well,
00:27:27.880 government shouldn't regulate it.
00:27:29.480 We should just create
00:27:30.460 our own Facebook,
00:27:32.800 Twitter,
00:27:33.380 YouTube,
00:27:33.980 Google,
00:27:34.480 Amazon,
00:27:35.400 Pinterest,
00:27:36.240 our own,
00:27:36.900 as if those won't be
00:27:38.180 corrupted and co-opted,
00:27:40.100 as if deeper
00:27:41.980 internet infrastructure
00:27:43.100 wouldn't cut us off.
00:27:43.980 But Michael Tracy,
00:27:44.800 thoughtful guy,
00:27:46.420 says that would be like
00:27:47.460 saying in the 1890s,
00:27:49.200 huh,
00:27:49.620 if you don't like
00:27:50.340 dealing with
00:27:51.440 J.D. Rockefeller
00:27:52.660 and Standard Oil,
00:27:53.980 why don't you set up
00:27:54.620 your own oil refinery?
00:27:55.620 That's what libertarians
00:27:57.420 would do.
00:27:59.060 That's the scale
00:28:00.600 required.
00:28:02.480 You can't just start
00:28:03.220 your own oil refinery
00:28:04.200 if the oil
00:28:05.260 and the steel
00:28:06.160 and the railways
00:28:06.920 and the coal
00:28:07.380 is all in an oligopoly.
00:28:09.180 That's what they're saying,
00:28:10.280 really.
00:28:10.420 There's no way
00:28:11.160 to just opt out
00:28:12.340 and start your own.
00:28:14.340 That's true.
00:28:15.000 And honestly,
00:28:15.820 I would say
00:28:16.200 the left libertarians
00:28:18.440 like Tracy
00:28:19.660 and Glenn Greenwald
00:28:20.580 as well,
00:28:21.120 I mean,
00:28:21.760 they're making
00:28:22.480 much more sense
00:28:23.220 than the never-trumpers
00:28:24.200 and some of the
00:28:25.180 principled conservatives
00:28:26.500 who say that Facebook
00:28:27.260 and Twitter
00:28:27.660 can do what they want.
00:28:28.980 First of all,
00:28:30.020 this isn't really
00:28:30.440 a free market
00:28:31.040 we're talking about here.
00:28:32.700 So in order to compete
00:28:33.680 with Twitter
00:28:34.220 or Facebook,
00:28:35.960 especially like
00:28:37.120 going forward
00:28:37.600 the next 10 years
00:28:38.380 as smartphones
00:28:38.960 and tablets
00:28:39.540 begin to replace
00:28:41.060 desktops and laptops,
00:28:42.680 you need access
00:28:43.440 to app stores
00:28:44.120 because you can only
00:28:47.040 get on smartphones
00:28:47.780 and tablets
00:28:48.320 via app stores
00:28:49.420 and the app stores
00:28:51.080 are controlled
00:28:51.620 by either Apple
00:28:52.920 they run
00:28:53.900 the Apple App Store
00:28:54.620 or Google
00:28:55.120 they control Google Play
00:28:56.080 and those two companies
00:28:57.520 have a,
00:28:58.380 this is not an exaggerated figure,
00:28:59.740 they have a 99%
00:29:01.200 market share
00:29:02.780 over the smartphone market.
00:29:04.640 So if both of those
00:29:06.120 companies decide
00:29:06.980 to ban you
00:29:07.520 from their stores
00:29:08.320 as they did to Gap
00:29:09.600 which is a Twitter competitor,
00:29:11.000 then you're effectively
00:29:11.740 locked out of the
00:29:12.420 smartphone market
00:29:13.120 and you can't compete.
00:29:14.700 It's like if USPS
00:29:16.580 and UPS
00:29:19.100 got together
00:29:19.620 and decided FedEx
00:29:20.400 isn't allowed
00:29:20.760 to use the roads.
00:29:22.700 Yeah.
00:29:22.920 You know,
00:29:24.660 I see that Gary Kahn,
00:29:27.480 a former
00:29:28.080 cabinet member
00:29:29.900 of Donald Trump
00:29:30.860 said,
00:29:32.140 I think he was
00:29:32.560 in Breitbart.com
00:29:33.460 I read this,
00:29:34.480 that Facebook now
00:29:35.940 has more power
00:29:37.540 over America
00:29:39.120 and is in more
00:29:39.920 and is jeopardizing
00:29:41.220 America more
00:29:42.080 than the big banks
00:29:43.180 were right before
00:29:44.240 the 2008 crash.
00:29:45.820 I thought that was
00:29:46.300 a strange juxtaposition
00:29:48.200 but of course
00:29:49.120 it's true
00:29:49.760 and of course
00:29:50.980 Facebook is more
00:29:52.000 dominant
00:29:52.440 and Amazon,
00:29:53.680 Google,
00:29:53.980 YouTube,
00:29:54.220 Twitter
00:29:54.740 more dominant
00:29:55.700 in our lives
00:29:56.440 than Standard Oil
00:29:57.460 was 100 years ago.
00:29:58.980 I think our side
00:30:01.000 and by that
00:30:01.540 I mean people
00:30:02.000 who believe
00:30:02.320 in free speech
00:30:03.120 are so focused
00:30:05.880 on, you know,
00:30:06.680 don't step on me,
00:30:09.340 don't, you know,
00:30:10.020 don't, you know,
00:30:11.100 the Gadsden flag,
00:30:12.200 don't tread on me,
00:30:13.800 do no harm.
00:30:14.800 We're so used to just saying
00:30:16.020 don't punch me
00:30:16.880 and leave me alone
00:30:17.640 that when we need
00:30:20.000 to push back
00:30:20.820 against these tech
00:30:21.920 titans,
00:30:22.500 there's no one
00:30:23.040 on our team.
00:30:24.340 There's an increasingly
00:30:25.240 popular remix
00:30:26.240 of the Gadsden flag
00:30:27.220 going around
00:30:27.800 in which the snake
00:30:28.480 is being stepped on
00:30:29.580 by a foot
00:30:31.000 that has the logos
00:30:32.080 of Facebook,
00:30:32.760 Google,
00:30:33.060 and Twitter on it
00:30:33.680 and the snake says
00:30:34.620 well at least
00:30:35.000 it's not the government.
00:30:36.100 Yeah, yeah.
00:30:37.200 It's time maybe
00:30:37.980 for the snake
00:30:38.560 to bite back.
00:30:39.920 I was pleased
00:30:40.500 that Gary Kahn
00:30:42.180 mentioned that.
00:30:43.100 I haven't seen
00:30:43.620 anyone else
00:30:44.180 in cabinet yet.
00:30:45.080 I haven't seen
00:30:45.700 Donald Trump Jr.
00:30:48.220 really call for it.
00:30:49.420 He's a pretty good proxy
00:30:50.800 for his father sometimes.
00:30:52.920 My last question
00:30:54.240 to you, Alan,
00:30:55.060 is the timing here.
00:30:56.920 Alex Jones
00:30:57.560 has been doing
00:30:58.780 InfoWars
00:30:59.400 for almost 20 years.
00:31:01.460 I mean really
00:31:01.940 since the internet
00:31:02.660 was a baby
00:31:03.260 and he's been doing
00:31:05.360 this for so long
00:31:06.580 and he really
00:31:07.760 him and the Young Turks
00:31:09.680 really did the whole
00:31:10.540 YouTube TV show thing.
00:31:11.980 They invented it
00:31:12.720 for years.
00:31:14.200 I have to tell you
00:31:15.280 we here at the Rebel
00:31:16.700 modeled ourselves
00:31:17.540 after both
00:31:18.500 InfoWars
00:31:19.900 and the Young Turks
00:31:21.100 in terms of
00:31:21.620 how do you do it
00:31:22.480 and we look to them
00:31:23.620 as a business role model.
00:31:24.740 We're our own
00:31:25.200 editorial creature
00:31:26.040 but for this
00:31:28.500 to happen now
00:31:29.480 Whatever you think
00:31:30.960 about him editorially
00:31:31.760 I mean Alex Jones
00:31:32.460 is clearly a successful
00:31:33.380 businessman.
00:31:33.960 Yeah, but here's my
00:31:35.180 point about how long
00:31:36.200 he's been doing this.
00:31:37.920 Now, three months
00:31:39.400 to the US midterm elections
00:31:41.000 is that coincidental
00:31:43.060 that he's been online
00:31:45.160 for 19 years
00:31:46.240 but they're taking him
00:31:47.280 out now
00:31:48.540 before the midterms
00:31:50.500 and if Donald Trump
00:31:52.440 doesn't see this
00:31:53.140 as a wake-up call
00:31:54.040 I don't know
00:31:54.620 what will
00:31:55.000 because this is about him.
00:31:57.300 InfoWars
00:31:57.720 is not going to be
00:31:58.240 the last.
00:31:58.980 Alan?
00:32:00.640 Yeah, it's hard
00:32:01.720 to know
00:32:02.440 what they're doing
00:32:03.340 really.
00:32:03.820 I know that
00:32:05.280 Brad Parscale
00:32:06.040 it's clear
00:32:06.580 from his statements
00:32:07.120 that he understands
00:32:08.000 the threat of big tech
00:32:08.960 why they're not commenting
00:32:10.560 more on InfoWars
00:32:11.620 Donald Trump Jr.
00:32:12.860 did comment on InfoWars
00:32:13.960 recently
00:32:14.780 he said he was worried
00:32:16.280 that you know
00:32:16.760 Breitbart and the data
00:32:18.000 caller would be next
00:32:18.860 so there's some talk there
00:32:21.320 and Pascal made
00:32:22.460 I think one or two comments
00:32:23.820 but nothing from
00:32:25.340 Donald Trump yet
00:32:26.500 although he did call out
00:32:27.580 Twitter last week
00:32:29.000 when they were
00:32:29.400 shadow banning Republicans
00:32:30.440 so there seems to be
00:32:32.400 some growing awareness
00:32:33.780 but they're not talking
00:32:36.440 about it as much
00:32:37.040 as they should really
00:32:37.940 though
00:32:38.360 when you consider
00:32:39.700 the fact that
00:32:40.300 you know big tech
00:32:41.000 is compared to say
00:32:42.080 CNN
00:32:42.500 presents a far greater
00:32:43.720 threat in terms of
00:32:44.400 the damage they can do
00:32:45.220 to the Trump movement
00:32:47.160 electorally
00:32:47.860 so it's hard to know
00:32:50.360 what they're up to really
00:32:51.260 maybe there's a strategic
00:32:53.700 play here
00:32:54.720 I mean maybe they're seeing
00:32:55.700 what's going to happen
00:32:56.420 in the midterms
00:32:57.360 if the Republicans
00:32:58.560 lose the House
00:32:59.200 and they can blame it
00:32:59.760 on social media
00:33:00.380 much like the Democrats
00:33:01.640 blame 2016
00:33:02.660 on social media
00:33:03.480 so you know
00:33:04.860 that might be
00:33:05.600 a political strategy
00:33:06.420 they're going for
00:33:07.080 so it's hard to know
00:33:09.860 what they're up to
00:33:10.280 I think Brad Pascal
00:33:11.060 understands the threat
00:33:11.960 I think Donald
00:33:12.500 President Trump
00:33:13.680 is starting to
00:33:14.340 understand the threat
00:33:15.100 but he's a very
00:33:16.000 sort of old media
00:33:16.900 broadcast media guy
00:33:18.200 so maybe he's having
00:33:19.620 so he maybe needs
00:33:20.580 some time
00:33:20.900 to get his head around it
00:33:21.940 but certainly
00:33:24.100 at this point
00:33:25.300 they're the
00:33:25.960 Donald Trump
00:33:27.100 is really the only person
00:33:28.160 who can do something
00:33:28.780 about this
00:33:29.180 because the Republicans
00:33:30.080 on the Hill
00:33:30.600 are still part of
00:33:31.500 this dogma
00:33:32.100 that says you can't
00:33:32.800 regulate private companies
00:33:33.980 even if they're
00:33:34.860 Russian expression
00:33:36.000 Silicon Valley
00:33:36.900 has some of the most
00:33:38.740 lobbyists of any
00:33:39.700 industry out there
00:33:40.420 I think Facebook
00:33:41.020 and Google
00:33:41.480 the number of
00:33:42.040 lobbyists between
00:33:42.640 them is staggering
00:33:43.300 plus their political
00:33:44.300 donations
00:33:44.760 just before I hopped
00:33:46.040 on this interview
00:33:46.640 with you
00:33:47.660 I checked the ACLU
00:33:50.240 the American Civil
00:33:51.160 Liberties Union
00:33:51.860 that really used to
00:33:52.940 emphasize freedom
00:33:53.700 of speech
00:33:54.060 and I checked a group
00:33:55.100 called Reporters
00:33:56.200 Without Borders
00:33:57.020 also called
00:33:58.240 Reporters Sons
00:33:59.080 Frontier
00:34:00.000 and I went through
00:34:01.940 everything they've said
00:34:03.320 over the last
00:34:04.080 24 hours
00:34:05.100 neither of them
00:34:06.120 has a word
00:34:06.960 about this
00:34:07.860 Reporters Without Borders
00:34:10.360 has several pieces
00:34:11.780 commiserating with
00:34:12.660 Jim Acosta
00:34:13.320 of CNN
00:34:14.260 because he was
00:34:15.480 heckled
00:34:16.100 and supporting
00:34:17.420 Sarah Jiang
00:34:18.360 the racist
00:34:19.900 who was hired
00:34:20.660 at the New York Times
00:34:21.420 and defending her
00:34:22.420 against the Twitter mob
00:34:24.500 but not a word
00:34:26.140 for Alex Jones
00:34:27.900 and Infowars
00:34:28.520 who was actually
00:34:29.120 shut down by them
00:34:30.000 I think it's
00:34:31.740 it's extremely sad
00:34:33.460 that the people
00:34:35.280 we have relied on
00:34:36.600 as guardians
00:34:37.160 for free speech
00:34:37.940 they never really
00:34:38.840 meant it
00:34:39.400 it was just a tool
00:34:40.480 for their side
00:34:41.220 they don't care
00:34:41.840 about conservatives
00:34:42.620 last word to you
00:34:43.480 Alan
00:34:43.720 yeah and I would
00:34:46.860 also say
00:34:47.420 some of Never Trump
00:34:48.400 as well
00:34:48.780 some of the
00:34:49.180 establishment
00:34:49.580 conservatives
00:34:50.180 we're seeing them
00:34:51.200 cheering on
00:34:52.000 the censorship
00:34:52.740 of Infowars
00:34:53.340 whereas last week
00:34:54.120 they were defending
00:34:54.720 James Gunn
00:34:55.520 and Sarah Geong
00:34:57.200 and saying they
00:34:57.700 shouldn't be fired
00:34:58.280 so apparently
00:34:58.840 corporate censorship
00:35:00.200 is great
00:35:02.660 when it targets
00:35:04.100 Alex Jones
00:35:04.540 but not so great
00:35:05.180 when it targets
00:35:05.620 progressives
00:35:06.140 it's a very
00:35:06.580 strange position
00:35:08.380 for so-called
00:35:09.420 conservatives
00:35:09.900 to be taking
00:35:10.480 yeah
00:35:11.100 very frustrating times
00:35:12.620 I'm so glad
00:35:13.200 you guys are fighting hard
00:35:14.440 I mean don't count
00:35:15.760 Alex Jones out
00:35:16.620 but the thing is
00:35:17.480 it doesn't matter
00:35:18.140 how hard he fights
00:35:19.220 if one by one
00:35:21.100 the lights are turned out
00:35:22.200 from him
00:35:22.600 and they pull the plug
00:35:23.380 on him
00:35:23.720 you just can't fight
00:35:25.400 if you're not plugged in
00:35:26.820 that's the reality
00:35:27.460 of 2018
00:35:28.220 thanks for spending
00:35:29.180 so much time
00:35:29.720 with us today Alan
00:35:30.420 all right
00:35:32.880 there you have it
00:35:33.480 Alan Bokari
00:35:34.220 a good friend
00:35:35.160 of the Rebel
00:35:35.500 he's the senior
00:35:36.180 technology correspondent
00:35:37.320 at Breitbart News
00:35:38.520 and I encourage you
00:35:39.720 to go to the website
00:35:40.680 Breitbart.com
00:35:41.780 and read all of his work
00:35:43.340 almost every single day
00:35:44.780 Alan breaks more news
00:35:47.380 about this growing
00:35:48.540 cyclone
00:35:49.600 of censorship
00:35:51.120 coming from
00:35:52.420 social media companies
00:35:53.660 stay with us
00:35:54.400 more ahead on the Rebel
00:35:55.560 welcome back
00:36:07.680 it's been a couple weeks
00:36:08.780 now since the mass
00:36:10.060 shooting in Toronto's
00:36:11.740 Greek town
00:36:12.340 a street called
00:36:13.200 the Danforth
00:36:14.160 that left more than
00:36:15.540 a dozen wounded
00:36:16.440 and a 10 year old girl
00:36:17.740 and an 18 year old woman
00:36:19.300 dead
00:36:20.400 the murderer
00:36:22.000 Faisal Hussain
00:36:23.700 we don't know much
00:36:25.640 about him
00:36:26.400 but we do know
00:36:27.660 that the Islamic State
00:36:29.280 took credit for it
00:36:30.860 and various police sources
00:36:32.620 say he was known to them
00:36:34.520 and had even made trips
00:36:35.920 to Afghanistan
00:36:36.640 and Pakistan
00:36:37.940 well that narrative
00:36:39.660 was shut down
00:36:40.580 pretty quickly
00:36:41.320 by the official people
00:36:43.260 who preferred
00:36:44.260 their own narrative
00:36:45.040 the problem wasn't
00:36:46.280 Faisal Hussain
00:36:47.620 or his criminal family
00:36:49.660 including his
00:36:50.400 drug dealing brother
00:36:51.660 who was arrested
00:36:52.320 with so many firearms
00:36:53.760 no no no no
00:36:54.420 the problem was
00:36:55.480 the inanimate object
00:36:56.640 that Faisal Hussain used
00:36:57.900 the gun itself
00:36:59.040 let's stop talking
00:37:00.100 about those uncomfortable things
00:37:01.400 and get back to the
00:37:02.700 tried and true
00:37:03.540 gun control
00:37:05.000 and so it is
00:37:05.760 that Toronto Mayor
00:37:06.460 John Tory
00:37:07.060 has written a four page letter
00:37:08.360 to his friend
00:37:09.400 Justin Trudeau
00:37:10.200 asking for more
00:37:11.620 gun laws
00:37:12.940 for Toronto
00:37:13.940 and joining us now
00:37:15.480 to talk about this letter
00:37:16.480 and what it means
00:37:17.080 is our friend
00:37:17.660 Andrew Lawton
00:37:18.420 who we're thrilled
00:37:19.100 to have back with us
00:37:20.020 he's now a fellow
00:37:21.280 with the True North Initiative
00:37:23.200 and he's a columnist
00:37:24.720 with Looney Politics
00:37:26.100 great to see you Andrew
00:37:27.320 nice to have you back
00:37:28.420 yeah it's been a while
00:37:29.600 thanks for the invite Ezra
00:37:30.600 well it's a pleasure
00:37:31.380 you know
00:37:31.880 the idea of
00:37:34.560 banning guns
00:37:35.960 they're already banned
00:37:38.320 in a number of ways
00:37:40.060 for example
00:37:41.040 you can't just get
00:37:42.400 a handgun
00:37:43.340 like the type used
00:37:45.220 by the Danforth murderer
00:37:47.080 that is a restricted weapon
00:37:48.640 and even if you can get one
00:37:50.460 it's against law
00:37:52.140 to kill someone
00:37:52.980 so Andrew
00:37:54.340 is it not the case
00:37:55.540 that John Tory
00:37:56.380 is really just asking
00:37:57.460 Justin Trudeau
00:37:58.280 to double ban
00:38:00.060 the gun
00:38:00.740 to triple ban them
00:38:01.880 and if there's more
00:38:02.520 murderers
00:38:02.960 we'll quadruple ban them
00:38:04.080 I mean
00:38:04.340 isn't he just asking
00:38:05.940 for more laws
00:38:06.740 that don't seem
00:38:07.260 to be working
00:38:07.800 yeah
00:38:09.020 and I think that
00:38:09.860 when you look at people
00:38:10.580 like John Tory
00:38:11.560 and a lot of the other
00:38:12.560 gun grabbers
00:38:13.500 we have in office
00:38:14.660 right now
00:38:15.280 they already want
00:38:16.620 the ban
00:38:17.080 they're just looking
00:38:17.740 for any place
00:38:18.540 they can apply it
00:38:19.500 and advocate for it
00:38:20.860 and that comment
00:38:22.320 that John Tory made
00:38:23.440 where he said
00:38:24.060 you know
00:38:24.320 guns are the problem here
00:38:25.760 and made that famous line
00:38:27.520 why does anyone need a gun
00:38:28.760 that was about 12 hours
00:38:30.220 after the Danforth
00:38:31.780 after shooting
00:38:32.360 I mean
00:38:32.680 the bodies weren't
00:38:33.360 even cold yet
00:38:34.180 and John Tory
00:38:34.820 was getting up there
00:38:35.600 saying
00:38:35.980 you know
00:38:36.540 we need to have
00:38:37.140 a gun control discussion
00:38:39.000 and then city council
00:38:39.940 in Toronto
00:38:40.460 voted to ban
00:38:42.280 the sale of handguns
00:38:43.340 and ammunition
00:38:43.860 except they don't actually
00:38:44.800 have the authority
00:38:45.580 to do that
00:38:46.240 they can only ask
00:38:47.120 the federal
00:38:47.920 and provincial governments
00:38:49.080 to regulate it
00:38:49.940 but let's say
00:38:51.260 that the city
00:38:51.680 got their way
00:38:52.340 John Tory got his way
00:38:53.560 the one gun store
00:38:55.060 in Toronto
00:38:55.580 there's only one
00:38:56.380 that's the ultimate
00:38:57.120 amusing part of this
00:38:58.540 the one gun store
00:38:59.640 in Toronto
00:39:00.060 gets shut down
00:39:00.900 it wouldn't have
00:39:02.040 changed anything
00:39:03.160 the gun that
00:39:03.840 Faisal Hussain used
00:39:04.860 by several reports
00:39:06.040 was an illegal gun
00:39:07.800 it was illegally owned
00:39:09.000 it was illegally acquired
00:39:10.540 and as you mentioned
00:39:11.640 Ezra
00:39:11.920 it was illegally used
00:39:13.180 so there is no law
00:39:14.880 that would have
00:39:15.540 prevented this tragedy
00:39:16.940 and that's what
00:39:17.780 the gun control advocates
00:39:18.860 always fail to understand
00:39:20.520 that when you're talking
00:39:21.360 about gun crime
00:39:22.560 the vast majority
00:39:23.840 of firearms
00:39:24.500 especially in Toronto
00:39:25.680 which has a gang problem
00:39:26.840 are from illegal sources
00:39:29.200 so they are immune
00:39:30.180 from what gun control does
00:39:31.620 which is simply
00:39:32.600 impact people like me
00:39:33.640 that have gone through
00:39:34.300 the steps to get a gun
00:39:35.300 legally
00:39:35.680 yeah
00:39:36.280 well and that's the thing
00:39:37.460 if you go after guns
00:39:39.580 an inanimate object
00:39:40.760 there is no human gun
00:39:43.100 that would say
00:39:43.560 stop
00:39:43.920 that's not fair
00:39:44.820 whereas if you go
00:39:46.140 after gangs
00:39:48.160 if you go after
00:39:49.280 possible terrorists
00:39:51.280 you have all sorts
00:39:52.340 of groups
00:39:53.360 interest groups
00:39:54.000 that say
00:39:54.340 well stop being racist
00:39:55.600 stop being Islamophobic
00:39:57.140 stop being terroristophobic
00:39:59.460 stop talking about
00:40:00.520 so going after guns
00:40:02.180 is always the safe bet
00:40:03.840 because
00:40:04.760 you know
00:40:05.500 I mean Canada
00:40:06.020 doesn't even have
00:40:06.800 much of a gun lobby
00:40:07.740 at all
00:40:08.000 it's not like the US
00:40:08.840 with the NRA
00:40:09.480 it's just
00:40:10.360 it feels like
00:40:12.080 it's just
00:40:12.560 okay play that
00:40:13.660 old favorite again
00:40:15.080 oh that
00:40:15.860 that golden oldie
00:40:17.360 I mean
00:40:17.620 it's just a safe place
00:40:19.420 for politicians
00:40:19.960 but here's the thing
00:40:20.860 as you point out
00:40:22.640 the guns used by gangs
00:40:23.800 in Toronto
00:40:24.260 and what
00:40:25.220 Toronto I think
00:40:25.780 is ahead of New York
00:40:26.500 now in murders
00:40:27.280 they would not be
00:40:30.120 covered by this ban
00:40:31.140 they would not be
00:40:31.720 stopped by this ban
00:40:32.640 because they're already
00:40:33.340 in violation of this ban
00:40:34.840 does anyone buy this
00:40:36.660 other than the politicians
00:40:37.700 and the media
00:40:38.400 no and just recently
00:40:40.860 actually this weekend
00:40:41.940 they had 63 murders
00:40:43.920 in Chicago
00:40:44.660 63 murders
00:40:45.600 or 63 shootings rather
00:40:46.860 just in the weekend
00:40:48.440 over
00:40:48.920 just in a Friday
00:40:50.340 to Sunday span
00:40:51.420 they had 63 shootings
00:40:52.760 and I forget how many
00:40:53.960 were fatal
00:40:54.460 but I think it was
00:40:55.100 at least a dozen
00:40:55.900 and Chicago is one
00:40:57.340 of the cities
00:40:57.760 that has one of the
00:40:58.620 strictest gun bans
00:40:59.860 in the country
00:41:01.340 it has an effective
00:41:02.820 ban on handguns
00:41:04.120 although the gang
00:41:04.700 criminals haven't
00:41:05.380 gotten that memo
00:41:06.160 and in Chicago
00:41:07.560 you see what would
00:41:08.380 happen in Toronto
00:41:09.120 if John Tory
00:41:09.840 got his way
00:41:10.480 which is that people
00:41:11.220 will get their guns
00:41:12.060 from other jurisdictions
00:41:13.360 and move them in
00:41:14.320 so even if we were
00:41:15.780 to accept that
00:41:16.740 disarming Canada
00:41:18.140 was a good thing
00:41:19.020 and I don't think
00:41:19.720 that's the case
00:41:20.200 but let's even say
00:41:21.000 for a moment it was
00:41:21.820 it's impossible
00:41:22.840 to have any effect
00:41:23.740 of gun control
00:41:24.580 when border security
00:41:26.340 is effectively
00:41:27.420 non-existent
00:41:28.360 and this is where
00:41:28.900 the gun discussion
00:41:29.760 actually comes full circle
00:41:31.060 to the immigration
00:41:32.900 discussions we have
00:41:33.900 in Canada
00:41:34.380 when you've got
00:41:35.580 the ability to just
00:41:36.440 walk across the border
00:41:37.460 into Canada
00:41:38.140 you can't stop
00:41:39.500 the flow of illegal guns
00:41:41.080 and even Australia
00:41:42.380 which has a massive
00:41:43.940 gun ban
00:41:44.620 that's been on the books
00:41:45.740 for about 20 years
00:41:46.660 has thousands upon
00:41:48.040 thousands of guns
00:41:48.860 that are shipped in
00:41:49.640 illegally from the US
00:41:50.640 and the point I made
00:41:51.800 in a column I wrote
00:41:52.800 on the subject
00:41:53.340 was that if a country
00:41:54.320 9,000 miles away
00:41:56.020 from the US
00:41:56.620 that's literally an island
00:41:57.920 can't stop illegal
00:41:59.300 American guns
00:42:00.120 certainly Canada
00:42:01.040 with its significantly
00:42:02.440 unprotected border
00:42:03.520 between us and the US
00:42:04.960 is not going to
00:42:05.820 fare any better
00:42:06.560 so gun control
00:42:07.640 is a low-hanging fruit
00:42:08.640 for politicians
00:42:09.380 and it really is
00:42:10.260 a distraction issue
00:42:11.240 yeah
00:42:11.700 last question for you
00:42:12.900 you know
00:42:13.600 there are lawful firearms
00:42:16.980 in Canada
00:42:17.560 it is very hard
00:42:18.420 to get a handgun permit
00:42:19.700 you have to get
00:42:21.040 a specialist
00:42:21.660 we won't talk about that
00:42:22.640 but the gun
00:42:23.080 that's more often
00:42:24.100 owned and used
00:42:26.020 lawfully in Canada
00:42:27.380 are rifles and shotguns
00:42:29.060 they're used for sport
00:42:30.140 they're used for hunting
00:42:31.060 and in some rural parts
00:42:33.300 where the police
00:42:34.100 are half an hour
00:42:35.320 or 45 minutes away
00:42:36.420 there's you know
00:42:36.840 one RCMP detachment
00:42:38.220 a few towns over
00:42:40.100 it can actually be used
00:42:41.540 for safety and security
00:42:43.420 as well
00:42:43.920 those lawful
00:42:46.420 often rural
00:42:48.100 owners of long arms
00:42:50.020 that's what they would
00:42:50.620 call the long gun
00:42:52.320 you know
00:42:52.580 rifle or shotgun
00:42:53.380 they are demonized
00:42:55.720 by the gun control
00:42:56.780 folks in the city
00:42:57.600 although
00:42:57.960 it's almost never
00:43:00.300 that an urban criminal
00:43:02.080 would commit a crime
00:43:03.320 with a big old
00:43:04.060 long rifle or shotgun
00:43:05.560 I mean
00:43:05.840 you can't
00:43:07.100 you can't sneak it around
00:43:08.660 in your car
00:43:09.180 you can't keep it
00:43:10.280 in your shirt
00:43:11.680 before shooting
00:43:12.520 someone on the street
00:43:13.360 the idea
00:43:14.340 that going after
00:43:15.320 rural farmers
00:43:16.700 and duck hunters
00:43:17.620 and punishing them
00:43:19.640 will somehow
00:43:20.640 relieve the urban
00:43:21.880 crime problem
00:43:22.600 I think that's
00:43:23.600 another bit of
00:43:24.460 misdirection
00:43:25.300 and sleight of hand
00:43:26.480 which brings me
00:43:27.860 to my last question
00:43:28.760 do you think
00:43:29.440 Justin Trudeau
00:43:30.220 will go for it
00:43:31.060 do you think
00:43:31.740 he just enjoys
00:43:32.820 having rural
00:43:34.620 duck hunters
00:43:35.300 and farmers
00:43:35.780 who are often
00:43:36.560 you know
00:43:37.520 middle aged
00:43:38.120 white men
00:43:38.940 squawking about guns
00:43:40.400 do you think
00:43:40.800 Justin Trudeau
00:43:41.380 just loves
00:43:42.300 that political
00:43:43.340 opponent
00:43:43.840 a lot more
00:43:44.760 than he would say
00:43:46.320 love dealing
00:43:47.160 with the possibility
00:43:48.460 of urban gangs
00:43:50.420 or Muslim terrorism
00:43:51.420 well it's an
00:43:52.820 interesting point
00:43:53.480 you raise
00:43:53.940 because gun ownership
00:43:55.100 in rural parts
00:43:56.200 of the country
00:43:56.760 is significantly
00:43:57.880 higher than it
00:43:58.700 is in urban
00:43:59.240 centers
00:43:59.680 but gun crime
00:44:00.860 is higher in
00:44:01.440 urban centers
00:44:02.080 than it is
00:44:02.560 in rural areas
00:44:03.560 so right there
00:44:04.680 between urban
00:44:05.480 and rural
00:44:05.900 you see a divide
00:44:06.840 in usage
00:44:08.080 versus
00:44:08.640 or usage
00:44:09.300 in crime
00:44:09.780 versus ownership
00:44:10.560 the stats
00:44:11.180 show there's
00:44:11.980 no correlation
00:44:12.760 as far as
00:44:13.780 what Trudeau
00:44:14.500 will do
00:44:15.020 my fear
00:44:15.960 is that we're
00:44:16.700 headed towards
00:44:17.680 a handgun
00:44:19.060 ban
00:44:19.360 or a restricted
00:44:20.240 gun ban
00:44:20.980 and I think
00:44:22.380 that there would
00:44:22.940 be too much
00:44:23.440 backlash
00:44:23.840 even from a lot
00:44:24.860 of liberal
00:44:25.300 and NDP
00:44:25.720 supporters
00:44:26.260 in the rural
00:44:27.040 parts of the
00:44:27.520 country
00:44:27.780 to say
00:44:28.220 we're going
00:44:28.960 to further
00:44:29.420 restrict rifles
00:44:30.460 and shotguns
00:44:31.520 but I think
00:44:31.960 there is going
00:44:32.540 to be for the
00:44:33.160 liberals
00:44:33.480 a belief system
00:44:34.900 that they could
00:44:35.620 use their
00:44:36.280 political capital
00:44:37.080 to ban
00:44:37.520 handguns
00:44:38.180 to ban
00:44:38.500 AR-15s
00:44:39.280 to ban
00:44:39.660 other restricted
00:44:40.640 guns
00:44:41.020 because it's
00:44:41.540 that old trope
00:44:42.220 that John
00:44:42.640 Tory espoused
00:44:43.440 that no one
00:44:44.460 needs them
00:44:45.560 that's the
00:44:46.180 belief system
00:44:47.100 but the problem
00:44:48.260 is they have
00:44:49.440 the right to
00:44:50.040 reclassify guns
00:44:51.320 at their whim
00:44:52.500 as restricted
00:44:53.300 or non-restricted
00:44:54.220 so even if
00:44:54.700 they say today
00:44:55.280 we're going
00:44:55.680 to get rid
00:44:56.140 of restricted
00:44:56.780 guns in Canada
00:44:57.700 well tomorrow
00:44:58.500 they're going
00:44:58.800 to be reclassifying
00:44:59.880 a lot of
00:45:00.320 non-restricteds
00:45:01.120 as restricted
00:45:01.780 and we will
00:45:02.620 have this slow
00:45:03.420 tide towards
00:45:04.580 disarmament
00:45:05.400 and when you're
00:45:06.040 talking about
00:45:06.540 something that
00:45:06.960 is as regulated
00:45:08.100 as it is in
00:45:08.880 Canada
00:45:09.220 gun control
00:45:10.340 isn't necessary
00:45:11.300 here in any
00:45:12.200 further level
00:45:12.880 yeah
00:45:13.420 well I think
00:45:15.560 it's coming
00:45:16.020 I think Justin
00:45:16.780 Trudeau would
00:45:17.280 love to talk
00:45:18.900 about that
00:45:19.440 as opposed to
00:45:20.220 NAFTA
00:45:20.760 or possible
00:45:21.780 terrorism
00:45:22.540 or any of
00:45:23.900 or you know
00:45:24.440 slowing economy
00:45:25.740 or failed pipelines
00:45:26.740 I think he would
00:45:27.360 love to talk
00:45:28.920 about that
00:45:29.320 especially now
00:45:29.920 that he's not
00:45:30.400 talking about
00:45:30.940 global warming
00:45:31.660 so much
00:45:32.140 Andrew Lawton
00:45:32.860 great to see you
00:45:33.500 hope to have
00:45:33.840 you back again
00:45:34.460 soon
00:45:34.860 likewise
00:45:35.660 thanks Ezra
00:45:36.280 all right
00:45:36.800 there's our
00:45:37.180 friend Andrew
00:45:37.680 Lawton
00:45:37.940 he is now
00:45:38.500 a fellow
00:45:38.980 with the
00:45:40.140 True North
00:45:40.700 initiative
00:45:41.180 which he does
00:45:42.460 with our
00:45:42.780 friend Candace
00:45:43.340 Malcolm
00:45:43.620 by the way
00:45:44.240 and he's a
00:45:45.640 columnist
00:45:46.160 for Looney
00:45:47.080 Politics
00:45:47.460 stay with us
00:45:48.680 more ahead
00:45:49.500 on The Rebel
00:45:49.900 Hey welcome
00:46:02.440 back
00:46:03.020 your letters
00:46:03.880 to me
00:46:04.300 on my monologue
00:46:05.140 yesterday
00:46:05.580 by the New York
00:46:06.060 Times hiring
00:46:06.940 Sarah Jung
00:46:07.780 despite her
00:46:08.700 public record
00:46:09.280 of racism
00:46:09.720 Harley writes
00:46:10.500 my family
00:46:11.600 fought alongside
00:46:12.160 the Korean
00:46:12.620 people
00:46:12.980 it was called
00:46:13.700 the forgotten
00:46:14.160 war
00:46:14.500 it was not
00:46:15.360 forgotten
00:46:15.640 by the Korean
00:46:16.200 people
00:46:16.560 this woman
00:46:17.360 is just a
00:46:17.800 taker
00:46:18.120 and has no
00:46:18.840 respect for
00:46:19.340 our war
00:46:19.800 dead
00:46:20.040 yeah
00:46:21.740 and I
00:46:22.560 thought
00:46:22.760 Joel Pollack
00:46:23.200 made a
00:46:23.480 really interesting
00:46:24.060 observation
00:46:24.580 she seems
00:46:25.160 to be living
00:46:25.880 a great
00:46:26.620 American life
00:46:27.560 while despising
00:46:29.520 and disparaging
00:46:30.360 it
00:46:30.660 Joel Pollack's
00:46:31.620 theory
00:46:32.260 and it's
00:46:32.880 maybe it's
00:46:33.360 a little bit
00:46:33.720 out there
00:46:34.080 he says
00:46:34.500 she actually
00:46:35.200 doesn't believe
00:46:35.740 those things
00:46:36.200 that's just
00:46:36.560 what you need
00:46:36.900 to say
00:46:37.180 and do
00:46:37.380 to get ahead
00:46:37.960 I mean
00:46:38.540 if she
00:46:39.140 believed them
00:46:39.660 why would
00:46:40.120 she move
00:46:40.580 from Korea
00:46:41.160 to America
00:46:41.700 why would
00:46:42.200 she live
00:46:43.280 in such
00:46:43.900 an American
00:46:44.280 city
00:46:44.620 as New York
00:46:45.220 why would
00:46:45.640 she do
00:46:47.200 those things
00:46:47.900 I don't know
00:46:48.360 that's the
00:46:48.740 left for you
00:46:49.280 Liza writes
00:46:50.960 anyone who
00:46:52.000 could say
00:46:52.420 this in public
00:46:53.000 or private
00:46:53.440 for that matter
00:46:53.940 has some
00:46:54.280 serious problems
00:46:55.000 she may be
00:46:55.720 bright
00:46:56.020 but she's
00:46:56.800 disgusting
00:46:57.260 and as a
00:46:58.200 journalist
00:46:58.420 with a
00:46:58.680 considerable
00:46:59.040 following
00:46:59.500 she's a
00:47:00.220 big part
00:47:00.560 of the
00:47:00.720 problem
00:47:01.120 I put
00:47:03.020 I put
00:47:03.040 I put it
00:47:03.160 to you
00:47:03.560 that
00:47:04.060 a lot
00:47:05.480 of
00:47:05.600 journalists
00:47:06.020 despise
00:47:06.760 the public
00:47:07.380 some
00:47:08.180 of it
00:47:08.440 is
00:47:08.580 vanity
00:47:08.960 and
00:47:09.160 narcissism
00:47:09.700 they have
00:47:09.960 to feel
00:47:10.240 morally
00:47:10.540 superior
00:47:11.040 I think
00:47:12.620 they're also
00:47:13.500 ideological warriors
00:47:14.500 who embed
00:47:15.260 themselves within
00:47:16.040 journalism
00:47:16.580 hey
00:47:18.180 that's why
00:47:19.020 I'm in
00:47:19.320 journalism
00:47:19.620 I'm not
00:47:19.980 here for
00:47:21.340 the craft
00:47:21.900 I'm here
00:47:22.640 to spread
00:47:23.540 my ideas
00:47:24.460 I'm candid
00:47:25.860 about it
00:47:26.240 I'm here to
00:47:26.600 change the
00:47:27.100 world
00:47:27.360 if I can
00:47:28.460 I think
00:47:29.300 a lot of
00:47:29.720 journalists
00:47:30.000 are that
00:47:30.300 way
00:47:30.440 but they
00:47:30.700 just pretend
00:47:31.200 to be
00:47:31.620 neutral
00:47:32.220 writers
00:47:32.600 they're not
00:47:33.780 Bruce writes
00:47:35.760 actions truly
00:47:37.240 speak louder
00:47:37.660 than words
00:47:38.020 Sarah Jiang's
00:47:38.880 Twitter posts
00:47:39.380 show that she
00:47:40.060 has a warped
00:47:40.540 view of
00:47:41.180 white men
00:47:41.860 well yeah
00:47:43.080 I don't know
00:47:43.380 if you saw
00:47:44.000 but Candace
00:47:44.600 Owens
00:47:45.180 she's a
00:47:46.460 black
00:47:46.820 conservative
00:47:47.280 she did
00:47:47.900 sort of
00:47:48.200 an experiment
00:47:48.640 she swapped
00:47:49.520 out the word
00:47:50.280 white for
00:47:51.040 black
00:47:51.420 and I think
00:47:51.820 she swapped
00:47:52.280 in Jewish
00:47:52.920 and she saw
00:47:54.160 how quickly
00:47:54.920 Twitter would
00:47:56.080 take that
00:47:56.460 down
00:47:56.680 and the answer
00:47:57.120 was right
00:47:57.640 away
00:47:58.040 she was
00:47:58.640 not just
00:47:59.480 those tweets
00:47:59.940 were blocked
00:48:00.420 but she was
00:48:00.980 suspended
00:48:01.540 it was a
00:48:02.620 scientific
00:48:03.280 experiment
00:48:03.820 the control
00:48:04.820 was Sarah
00:48:05.560 Jiang's
00:48:05.980 tweets
00:48:06.280 and Candace
00:48:07.640 Owens
00:48:07.880 swapped in
00:48:08.440 other races
00:48:09.160 ethnicities
00:48:10.380 and she was
00:48:11.380 shut down
00:48:11.860 immediately
00:48:12.320 that shows
00:48:12.880 that it's
00:48:13.160 not just
00:48:13.660 Sarah Jiang
00:48:15.180 who's racist
00:48:16.440 Twitter is
00:48:17.960 too
00:48:18.340 no surprise
00:48:20.360 well that's
00:48:21.440 our show
00:48:21.720 for today
00:48:22.260 until tomorrow
00:48:23.420 at least
00:48:24.440 unless we're
00:48:25.380 kicked off
00:48:25.980 the internet
00:48:26.440 on behalf
00:48:27.480 of all of
00:48:27.860 us here
00:48:28.140 at Rebel
00:48:28.420 World
00:48:28.640 Headquarters
00:48:29.080 good night
00:48:29.500 and keep
00:48:30.560 fighting for
00:48:31.040 freedom
00:48:31.340 you