Rebel News Podcast - Tommy Robinson was banned by Facebook and Instagram — and “their reasoning should terrify you”

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. This is Ezra LeVance. I am about to play for you a free version of

00:00:05.560 the Ezra LeVance show. It's my TV show, but we make it for free for a podcast. And today

00:00:11.200 I talk about something heartbreaking overseas. Tommy Robinson, who I believe is a leading

00:00:15.700 voice for British people, for the working classes, against the Islamification of society, 0.58

00:00:22.080 a leading voice in defense of young girls who were victims of these massive rape gangs.

00:00:26.380 He was just deleted on Facebook. He had more than a million followers. That's a million

00:00:31.140 consenting adults who chose to hear what he had to say. And he chose to speak to them. Well,

00:00:36.560 someone on Facebook didn't like those relationships and just pushed a button. And then there was

00:00:40.500 suddenly a rumor like the Death Star destroying Alderaan. Did I get my Star Wars reference right?

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00:01:35.680 All right. Without further to do, let me tell you the story about Tommy Robinson.

00:01:44.000 Tonight, Tommy Robinson was banned by Facebook and Instagram, where he had more than a million

00:01:49.600 followers. Their reasoning should terrify you. It's February 26th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:58.420 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:02:02.100 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:02:06.160 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:02:12.020 In an act of outrageous political censorship, Facebook and Instagram announced today that they

00:02:23.360 have permanently banned Tommy Robinson from their platforms. As you know, Tommy is a former reporter

00:02:28.380 with The Rebel. And in fact, just this weekend, he had a big rally in Manchester, where he unveiled his

00:02:34.660 new documentary on a giant TV screen outside the BBC headquarters there. His movies showed BBC

00:02:41.620 corruption and fake news. I was there to cover it. If you want to see my reports, look on the Rebel

00:02:46.380 website or go to realreporters.uk. Anyways, I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Tommy Robinson had about

00:02:53.640 four, five, six thousand people show up at a massive protest outside a mainstream media company. And a few

00:02:59.380 days later, a mainstream media company, that's what Facebook is, just deletes him and his one million

00:03:05.240 followers. A million people who voluntarily asked to like or follow Tommy. A million people who obviously

00:03:11.980 chose to hear what he has to say. Well, someone in Facebook disagrees with their choice, with their

00:03:19.280 right to hear Tommy and his right to say what he wants to say. One million relationships between

00:03:25.840 consenting adults. But someone at Facebook said no, and so it was. It's an act of political meddling,

00:03:33.440 of course. Depending on how you measure, Tommy was either the most popular Facebook page in the

00:03:38.440 United Kingdom for any politician or political figure, or the third most popular after Theresa May,

00:03:44.620 the Prime Minister, and Labour opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn. Depending on how you measure in terms

00:03:49.380 of viewer engagement, he was huge. He really was a one-man news network, the alternative to everyone

00:03:55.200 and everything in the UK media political industrial complex. And Facebook just deleted it. Of course

00:04:03.680 they did. And now that's all just a rumor. It's gone like dust. Facebook owns Instagram too, so he's

00:04:11.120 gone from there as well. He was previously purged from Twitter and even from PayPal. They literally won't

00:04:17.260 even let him bank anymore. I know what that's like when Tommy worked for us. Not a single British bank

00:04:23.320 would let us open an account with them for our British operations. When we were looking for lawyers

00:04:29.200 to represent Tommy in the media law we needed, like for checking something for defamation, for example,

00:04:36.140 we literally had to go through seven law firms before any of them would take him as a client.

00:04:43.800 You know how I did it? I think I might have told you this before. I literally found a lawyer whose website

00:04:49.800 says he represents war criminals. I'm not kidding. And so I called him up. I said, you take war

00:04:56.800 criminals. Can you give us some advice for Tommy Robinson? He took the case. That's how deplatforming

00:05:03.140 and depersoning and demonizing and denormalizing has gone in the UK. And don't you think we're far

00:05:08.920 behind over here? We're not. We're about five minutes behind them. It's political meddling too,

00:05:13.720 of course. And it is foreign meddling too, when you think about it. Robert Mueller is about to

00:05:17.840 release his report into Russian meddling in the US presidential election. So far, he's found none.

00:05:23.640 He's found some garden variety fraud or other minor crimes from some members of Trump's campaign team

00:05:30.160 he's examined. You go through every single action of a man's life with a microscope with 14 prosecutors,

00:05:37.480 you'll find something. They haven't found any Russian collusion, which was their reason in the

00:05:42.640 first place. If 14 Democratic prosecutors can't find anything in two years, it ain't findable. But

00:05:47.440 here, Facebook just deleted a political and journalistic Facebook page with 1 million followers.

00:05:54.280 That's absolutely interfering in British politics. Russia never did anything as huge as that.

00:06:01.360 Someone in San Francisco just pushed a button. Facebook didn't even have the courtesy to tell

00:06:05.640 Tommy directly. Facebook leaked the news to the left-wing Guardian newspaper, which rejoiced that one

00:06:12.180 of their enemies had finally been silenced. They couldn't out-debate him. They couldn't out-convince

00:06:17.520 him. They could gag him. So much for freedom of the press, saying every British civil liberties group has

00:06:22.480 been silent on the matter, too. Sorry, did I say silent? That's not quite true. It's been jubilation

00:06:30.060 on the part of the left, especially the Islamic left. I don't know if it's a coincidence because it 0.62

00:06:37.220 was bound to happen sooner or later, but I noticed that this Facebook ban comes just three days after

00:06:42.620 Tommy's successful release of his film, Panodrama, that one that he did outside the BBC offices in

00:06:48.680 Manchester. He meticulously documented systemic bias and corruption at the BBC's flag-shaped

00:06:54.740 investigative program, Panorama. It's like the 60 Minutes of Britain. So thousands of people turned

00:06:59.960 up for that premiere. I was there, too. It was really quite something in Manchester, and it utterly

00:07:04.520 demolished the journalistic credibility of the entire BBC, I think. It showed the BBC's most senior

00:07:10.260 investigative journalist, John Sweeney, faking storylines, trying to coach a young woman to make a

00:07:16.020 fake complaint of sexual harassment against Tommy. It proves that the BBC let left-wing lobby groups

00:07:21.720 in on the making of their documentaries. And what I thought was so telling was that the journalist,

00:07:25.800 John Sweeney, was saying all sorts of racist and bigoted things against Muslims, Greeks, gays,

00:07:32.400 whatever. It was all caught on hidden camera. The guy who was calling Tommy intolerant was the 0.88

00:07:39.080 crudest man I've ever met. It was a PR disaster for the mainstream media. And so, well, here we are.

00:07:45.980 John Sweeney is still working at the BBC, but Tommy is the one who silenced. He's now off Facebook. His

00:07:51.820 only remaining social media account is YouTube, and I suspect he won't last there long.

00:07:58.000 Facebook issued a short news release about the subject where they stated that one of the reasons

00:08:02.240 they banned Tommy was that he, quote, has also behaved in ways that violate our policies around

00:08:08.560 organized hate. Well, actually, that's not true. In fact, Tommy has never been charged, let alone

00:08:14.500 convicted, of promoting hatred or inciting violence. It just hasn't happened. He's been convicted of

00:08:20.440 other minor offenses in the past. It's true, but not promoting hate. As you know, he was wrongly

00:08:27.320 jailed last year for contempt of court. He was freed. After the UK, the Court of Appeal quashed

00:08:33.060 the improper conviction and sentenced against him by a lower court. But what does any of that have to

00:08:38.860 do with his Facebook page anyways? Political censorship for what you write on Facebook is bad

00:08:44.740 enough. And I put it to you that it's illegal. Section 230 of the American Communications Decency Act,

00:08:51.320 it's a very short law, says that internet companies are immune from liability for what is on their

00:08:57.220 platforms if they're neutral about their platforms. If they're like a stage that anyone can act on,

00:09:01.900 if they're like a payphone that anyone can make a call from. So you wouldn't be able to sue a payphone

00:09:06.200 company for what someone said while they were on the phone, right? That's what that's what this law

00:09:10.260 means. But when you start to decide what's on your website or not, when you start to check what people

00:09:16.080 are saying on the payphone and approving some things and banning some other things, then you're not

00:09:20.500 a neutral platform anymore. You're not like the paper company that sells newsprint, blank newsprint

00:09:28.000 to the newspaper that puts the words on it. No, no, no. You're like a newspaper itself. You're the

00:09:32.140 editor. You're the publisher. You're the broadcaster now. You're responsible for the content. Now,

00:09:35.740 if Facebook really wants to be responsible for its content, fine. But then it doesn't get legal

00:09:39.980 immunity for all the crap on Facebook, right? Now, that's all bad enough. But here's the novelty. 0.99

00:09:45.440 I just read to you from the press release, they banned Tommy in part for what he did, his behavior

00:09:51.140 in real life. Is it not what he did on a computer on Facebook? But in, well, they actually didn't say

00:10:00.300 where. Was it for something he did or said in his house on the city street? Maybe it was that big

00:10:06.520 rally on Saturday. Facebook will now judge your real life. Facebook will put your actual real life

00:10:14.880 on trial, a secret trial to which you won't be invited. And you'll learn of the verdict against

00:10:20.100 you when you read it in the Guardian newspaper. This is terrifying stuff. It's straight out of Orwell's

00:10:26.340 book, 1984. Oh, and don't think Facebook is alone on that. Twitter has the exact same rule. And you know

00:10:33.220 those creepy voice activated home devices like Amazon Echo, you know those?

00:10:37.620 Alexa, alarm off.

00:10:43.840 You got to get up.

00:10:45.160 It's Saturday.

00:10:47.220 Alexa, what day is it?

00:10:50.560 Today is Thursday, November 13th.

00:10:52.940 I'm up. I'm up.

00:10:56.460 Yeah, don't think they're not going to be monitoring what you say in real life and punishing you. I mean,

00:11:01.760 have you ever read the terms of service for those things? You'd be nuts to let Jeff Bezos or Mark

00:11:07.560 Zuckerberg have a live microphone in your house, in your bedroom, recording everything always. Who

00:11:14.780 would do that? This morning, I spoke with Tommy to talk about his next steps. What's he going to do?

00:11:20.820 And to offer him any assistance we here at The Rebel can give him. Tommy told me he's going to think

00:11:25.260 carefully on the subject. Whatever he chooses to do, whether it's taking legal action, helping him build a

00:11:30.680 new website, or even inviting him to do more things on our Rebel website, I'll keep you posted on what

00:11:35.080 he asks from us. I'll tell you what he wants us to do and if there's a role for you too. But I'll

00:11:43.600 tell you what I think is going on here. I think this is how you unperson someone in 2019. Tommy wrote a

00:11:51.180 whole book called Enemy of the State. It's his autobiography. I read it. It's how the police and the

00:11:55.580 prosecutors and the media establishment colluded to stitch him up, as they say over there in the UK.

00:12:00.540 But the thing about police and prosecutors is that it's more or less done in public,

00:12:05.940 especially now that Tommy's a big name in the news. So it's harder to throw him down a hole

00:12:10.280 without someone noticing. That's what they tried to do last year by putting him in solitary

00:12:15.260 confinement for 10 weeks. Now, it almost killed him, but it backfired on the government. The Court

00:12:21.240 of Appeal let Tommy out of prison, as you know, and now he's a bigger name than ever. So if the police

00:12:26.180 and the prosecutors and the courts can't really have their way with Tommy, and if the mainstream

00:12:31.120 media is insanely against him, but no one really listens to them anymore, well, then what? Then

00:12:37.080 how are you going to deal with him? If you're a Tommy hater, I suppose you could kill the guy. 1.00

00:12:45.000 There are plenty of terrorists who are threatening to kill him, but that would turn him into a martyr. 0.98

00:12:50.460 How do you un-person him, you know? How do you just make him disappear? Well, in 2019, you don't have

00:12:59.800 bothersome trials. You don't have censors. Because if you censor, well, the censors can be examined. If

00:13:07.640 you have charges, well, they can be fought by a lawyer. If there's no fair process, that can all be

00:13:13.580 objected to. How do you just deal with the guy with any of all the fuss and the muss? 1.00

00:13:19.680 You just have a secret trial by Facebook. No lawyers, no process, no publicity. Poof, he's gone.

00:13:26.340 That's the way it's done in 2019. When I was prosecuted a dozen years ago for publishing the

00:13:31.900 Danish cartoons of Mohammed in Canada, I used the internet, YouTube, blogs, PayPal to fight back. 0.83

00:13:37.660 That's when the internet was about freedom. And we, little people, move faster and more cleverly

00:13:44.520 on the internet than the big, slow-moving establishment bureaucracies. Well, the big

00:13:49.480 government bureaucracies have learned a thing or two in the past decade. Now they use the internet,

00:13:55.320 social media, to do the censoring for them. They outsource it to Facebook and Twitter and YouTube

00:14:00.980 and Google. No need for a messy trial. No need for interrogations that can be recorded or appealed

00:14:06.620 like I did in my case, or like Tommy did in his appeal. Just have a friend at Facebook push a

00:14:12.900 button and it's done. What are you going to do? Squawk about it? You're not on Facebook to squawk.

00:14:19.620 That's how it works in 2019. One day, I fear, you'll wake up and we'll just be gone too. And you won't

00:14:25.400 even be able to find us because, after all, who controls the search engines? Who controls the emails?

00:14:31.160 Orwell's. And you'll wonder, like they wondered in Orwell's book, 1984, if we really ever existed

00:14:38.920 at all. Stay with us for more.

00:14:41.940 Absolutely shocking footage from the camera.

00:15:11.920 campaign trail several months ago in Brazil, where the leading right-wing candidate, Jair Bolsonaro,

00:15:18.680 was stabbed in the streets at a campaign stop by a far-left activist. He lost nearly 40% of his

00:15:27.380 body's blood and survived only because of the speed with which he was taken to the hospital.

00:15:32.200 He survived and he went on to win. And Jair Bolsonaro has already transformed Brazil's politics,

00:15:38.700 realigning it away from its historical path towards communism, and internationally building strong

00:15:45.860 bridges with countries like the United States and even Israel. Bolsonaro, one of the world leaders who

00:15:51.240 was called for Juan Guaido to be the new leader of Venezuela. Joining us now via Skype from Raleigh,

00:15:59.320 Carolina, is a young woman who left Brazil for America and is an anti-communist activist. Her name

00:16:06.220 is Julia Song and she joins us now. Nice to meet you, Julia.

00:16:10.300 Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me.

00:16:12.060 Well, it's a pleasure. Tell me a little bit about your own past in Brazil fighting against the

00:16:17.460 authoritarian communist rulers. So in Brazil, we fell for the fallacies. I mean, this was back in 2003.

00:16:26.040 We didn't have really the knowledge of the fake news media as we have today as Trump exposed it in 2016

00:16:33.480 in his campaign trail. We just believed that the systems who are built to indoctrinate us, that socialism

00:16:41.160 was a good idea. We were, we bought the, the, the notion that it might be not as bad, right? We didn't

00:16:48.900 think it was going to be as dictate, dictate, dictate, sorry. We didn't think that it was going

00:16:56.380 to be as tyrannical because, uh, we didn't think about it in the concept of we're electing a dictatorship.

00:17:03.720 We just thought that it's just a government, a democratic government, but that doesn't really exist.

00:17:09.680 Uh, democracy, uh, democracy and socialism don't really walk hand in hand. And that's one of the

00:17:14.820 issues that people need to realize. So once we elected the government, it was pretty much impossible

00:17:19.800 to get them out of power. And that's why, uh, he was stabbed. He was stabbed by an activist of the

00:17:26.300 socialist party. And before, uh, four years before he tried to, uh, run for a president, another, uh,

00:17:33.740 business friendly, um, candidates try to run. And he also died in suspicious, uh, circumstances right

00:17:41.640 before the camp, uh, the elections. So when you think about it, it's, it's nearly impossible.

00:17:48.620 And people talk about it as well, in a way that, you know, it's so hard to get rid of the socialist

00:17:54.540 governments. Once you have them in power, it's, it's virtually impossible. They'll cancel your,

00:17:59.420 your ability to communicate. They'll make, uh, things like, uh, even if they don't do so through

00:18:05.420 regulations, they would do so through financial means. So for example, they'll make, uh, communicating

00:18:11.520 extremely expensive. So only the elites can communicate and things like that. So it's, it's

00:18:17.180 very disheartening for the Brazilian people to see, you know, he was going to get elected,

00:18:22.280 but at the end of his campaign, he got stabbed and we were like, Oh no, not again. We're about

00:18:29.380 to become Venezuela. We can get rid of these folks. Huh? One of the things that I noticed over the 0.87

00:18:35.500 years was how Barack Obama as president of the United States gave so much moral support to the

00:18:42.360 authoritarian rulers, not just his trip to Cuba, of course, which was a disaster. He gave so much

00:18:48.880 political legitimacy to the Castros and got nothing in return in terms of liberalization.

00:18:54.340 But I remember his high five style handshake with Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro and his praise

00:19:01.360 for Lula. I remember once when he met Lula, uh, he said he was the most popular politician in the

00:19:06.580 world. How much role did Barack Obama play in normalizing these abusive regimes throughout South

00:19:14.400 America? Oh, and that's something that I speak about it very loudly and people don't realize

00:19:20.500 the importance of America, the importance of North America overall, as a beacon of freedom to the

00:19:26.860 world, all of these events. I mean, the, the, as we went out into the street and we were talking about,

00:19:33.860 you know, getting together and gathering and fighting the tyrannical government, we were watching

00:19:38.420 what America was doing. We were watching what the people were going to the streets and fighting for.

00:19:43.280 And the world watches us, I believe a hundred percent that the only reason why Bolsonaro won

00:19:48.880 is because Trump won prior to him. And we see, uh, in Italy, we see in Spain, we see in France,

00:19:55.680 things, similar things happening. So when Barack Obama was really fighting for Lula and these people,

00:20:02.020 we were so confused. We were like the America that we look for, for freedom is telling us that this guy

00:20:08.180 here, who, as soon as he got elected, he enacted a gun laws that we, we said no to, we said no to those

00:20:16.160 gun control laws. And he enacted them anyway, as soon as he got elected. And we didn't, we didn't

00:20:21.640 understand why Barack Obama was, um, you know, preaching for this guy. And we try to give him a chance,

00:20:30.140 but in the end we said no to it. So you're saying that, uh, the, the socialist authoritarian leaders

00:20:37.360 in Brazil made a big push to disarm the people. I can't help, but think of the shocking scenes we've

00:20:44.320 seen in Venezuela just over the last few days where humanitarian aid convoys, literally food and

00:20:51.620 medicine has been blocked on the highway by Nicholas Maduro and Maduro's thugs have literally shot

00:20:59.360 people. They even arrested or detained an American, um, Hispanic journalist, uh, yesterday for asking

00:21:07.160 the wrong questions. If you disarm the people, you can be a tyrant. That's the first step of tyranny.

00:21:14.600 Now I understand, and you brought to my attention, a news story. Let me quote to you from Reuters here.

00:21:19.500 Bolsonaro loosens gun laws in murder ridden Brazil. Let me just read one paragraph because this is the

00:21:27.520 opposite of what tyrants do. Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro on Tuesday signed a temporary decree

00:21:34.220 making it easier for Brazilians to buy guns, delivering on a campaign promise to overturn strict

00:21:39.300 regulations in a country suffering from a record wave of murders. That's phrasing it as a home defense

00:21:47.120 self-protection kind of thing. But I think it's bigger than that. And Julian, I'll take your advice

00:21:52.680 because you've actually lived under tyranny, uh, or, or at least an authoritarian socialist regime.

00:21:59.400 When you allow ordinary families to have a firearm, you're actually buying an insurance policy against

00:22:07.120 a Castro or a Chavez, aren't you? So yes, it's to stop crime. But if you have ordinary Brazilians with 0.90

00:22:13.940 firearms, it's a lot less likely that a tyrant will take over. Am I right?

00:22:19.060 Yeah, it's a hundred percent. I'll apologize to you. I got, I'm recovering from a little bit of a cold,

00:22:23.800 but, um, so basically what happens, and this is what people fail to understand. The only markets that

00:22:31.280 will thrive under a socialist government are the illegal ones. So even if you ban guns, the people

00:22:38.460 who need to get those guns for illegal activities, they're going to thrive. A new market is going to emerge,

00:22:44.380 which is called gun rental. And that's how so many people will be murdered by guns, even though we live

00:22:50.660 in one of the strictest gun control, um, policies in the world. So those guns really only, those laws really

00:22:58.000 only work to keep the law abiding citizens from owning weapons. And the reason behind it, and also the reason as to why,

00:23:05.340 for example, they defunded the military and in my country in particular, in Venezuela, what they did

00:23:11.540 was different. They took away all the leadership from the top leadership from the military, and he put

00:23:17.960 in his friends and et cetera, to control the military. And Brazil, what they did was they defunded the

00:23:23.480 military, because anything that says power, and that gives power to the people, and the military was

00:23:28.880 pro people, right? So they would fight against the government, if that was the case. And so they try to

00:23:34.240 take that away, they try to take that away, everything that the people can use to protect

00:23:38.640 themselves. And that's, that's one of the first things that he did. I mean, as he got elected in

00:23:44.680 2003, in 2005, um, I think through pressure off the people, there was a referendum and they asked the

00:23:52.160 people, do you want more strict gun laws? And the people said, no, but he didn't respect that.

00:23:58.060 In socialism, your vote doesn't really matter.

00:24:00.340 Yeah, that's incredible. Well, uh, how have, I mean, Brazilians obviously voted for, uh, Bolsonaro,

00:24:08.180 despite so, so many forces aligned against him. I, I know, for example, that, uh, social media

00:24:16.700 companies were actively censoring Bolsonaro the same way they censored Marine Le Pen in France,

00:24:23.380 and they censor our friends in the United Kingdom, like Tommy Robinson. Um, how is it,

00:24:30.760 Bolsonaro has been president for several months now. Has he kept the people on his side? Are

00:24:35.940 Brazilians optimistic and enthusiastic? Or is he, are they signing on to his changes? I, I noticed you,

00:24:43.520 you mentioned some of the other countries around the world. I know Matteo Salvini in Italy has only

00:24:47.720 gotten more popular. How about Bolsonaro? Is he doing well at home? I think that the, the people

00:24:56.600 who had a lot of power, the media, the entertainment, the academia, they, they thought they had all this

00:25:02.440 power, but Brazil is a conservative country, uh, when it comes to politics. So at one point, you know,

00:25:09.120 we, we just told them, we've been listening to you for so many years and look at what, what it got us,

00:25:14.380 where you got us. So we just started giving them less and less relevance and just listening to what

00:25:20.600 Bolsonaro actually says. In fact, I think, uh, and I'm not sure about this, but, uh, about the exact

00:25:27.320 time of this, but Bolsonaro was doing live. I believe it was right after he, he got stabbed and he was

00:25:33.480 recovering from surgery and he was giving an update about his, uh, status and Facebook just cut his

00:25:39.620 life in the middle of it. And so what is, what is so threatening about it to the media? What is so

00:25:45.840 threatening about capitalism to the media? And I believe, you know, it might be a lot of subsidies,

00:25:50.220 uh, related to that. We had one of the biggest, uh, media companies, um, being, receiving a lot of

00:25:58.020 subsidies from the government to support that government and artists, for example, they had,

00:26:03.420 and one of the things that you have to realize is that the government will buy that influence. So

00:26:08.640 they put together a law saying that, um, artists could borrow money from the government for anything

00:26:14.820 that they wanted to do. So they would just, if, for example, if they wanted to write a book, they

00:26:19.840 would borrow millions and millions of dollars from the government to write their book that nobody would

00:26:24.300 want to buy. So they was just enriching. They were just enriching themselves and, uh, giving the

00:26:30.280 subsidies to people who would support that government. And, uh, we just caught that. We

00:26:36.220 caught that. You know, I, I'm listening to you describe everything in Brazil from seizing guns to

00:26:43.100 cracking down on social media to subsidizing approved journalists. And I, I'm, I'm thinking

00:26:49.440 that's sort of the path Canada is on. I can't help but think that obviously we're nowhere near as far

00:26:55.420 down that path as Brazil was, or Venezuela is. Um, let me ask you, uh, about South America in general.

00:27:05.720 Um, the United States doesn't have a perfect reputation down there. The phrase banana republic

00:27:11.320 comes from heavy handed American corporate and CIA and military influence, whether it's in coups or,

00:27:19.240 or, or even just corruptions of the rule of law. So America has to be very careful, uh, because if it

00:27:25.820 is seen to be directing or commanding things, that could yield a backlash. And I noticed that

00:27:32.320 the Maduro, just like Castro uses that narrative very strongly. Oh, we don't want to be colonized.

00:27:38.460 We want to be free and independent. What can the United States do to support freedom lovers

00:27:44.980 in Latin America? And I'm not going to say Canada because Justin Trudeau, he wouldn't even, when,

00:27:50.020 when, when, when Bolsonaro won, our prime minister, Justin Trudeau refused to even congratulate him.

00:27:56.340 Uh, there was a perfunctory statement congratulating the Brazilian people didn't even

00:28:00.840 mention Bolsonaro's name. It was quite a disgrace, but what can Trump do? How can Trump and other

00:28:06.500 freedom loving countries help Juan Guaido in Venezuela, help Bolsonaro in Brazil without generating a

00:28:14.000 backlash about Yankee go home, stop colonizing us? So that's, that's really funny to me that you

00:28:21.080 brought that up because actually when you think about socialism, it's, it's the whole bubble that

00:28:26.760 you live in and the people in Venezuela are living in that bubble. So they have systems of trust that

00:28:32.680 they build to enact, uh, you know, to pretty much manipulate the individuals from the, the lower,

00:28:40.100 uh, lowest age until adulthood. So for example, uh, I remember, and this is a personal story,

00:28:47.440 uh, but I'm sure it happens everywhere. Um, who controls the education is the socialist government.

00:28:54.440 So they will control the book. They will control the, what's being told, what's being taught in school.

00:28:59.580 So from a personal perspective, not Venezuela, um, not Venezuela's perspective, but I'm sure that you

00:29:06.240 can find a correlation there somewhere. Um, in Brazil, we have Amazonia and the teachers would

00:29:12.540 teach us in school that Amazonia has a lot of trees and Americans need trees to build their houses, 0.98

00:29:18.060 to build whatever. So we were going to be invaded by America at some point under the excuse that we

00:29:23.620 could not take care of Amazonia. So they're going to use that to invade and take over and take a 0.69

00:29:29.180 natural resources. That's what we were taught in school. We were taught to be really anti-American.

00:29:34.400 So in Venezuela, I'm sure they teach us, they teach them about the oil, right? Um, so if,

00:29:40.500 if America went there today and try to do that, uh, the amount of narratives that would be thrown out

00:29:46.920 into the wind will be incredible. I think that, um, one of the greatest things that Trump can do

00:29:53.880 is to keep being Trump, to keep pushing back, to keep teaching people, to keep opening our eyes.

00:29:59.360 Um, when it comes to Venezuela, they don't really have access to the things that Trump does. So that

00:30:05.040 works more for countries like Brazil, for countries like Argentina, for countries like Spain. Um, when

00:30:10.900 it comes to Venezuela, I think it's really tricky and I don't know if we should get involved

00:30:15.500 militarily. I think that that is probably something that's going to have to die down on its own.

00:30:21.320 Mm-hmm. It's very interesting. I, I have no cultural or personal ties to South America. It's

00:30:27.860 the one continent I've actually never visited, but I have so much affection for, uh, people in South

00:30:33.920 America who are fighting to be free. I'm genuinely touched by what I see on the streets of Venezuela,

00:30:40.460 people crying out for freedom. I'm appalled by the tyranny that they live under. And I was so full

00:30:46.120 of enthusiasm when Bolsonaro overcome everything, including being stabbed to become the president

00:30:51.620 of Brazil. So just out of ideological, uh, solidarity and just out of love for humanity,

00:30:59.760 I, I admire what's going on from freedom fighters. And I know, Julia, you were one of the young freedom

00:31:06.680 fighters who stood up to the previous authoritarian regime. You're now in America yourself, but I really

00:31:12.460 appreciate your insight. It's nice to meet you today. And hopefully we can talk with you again

00:31:16.060 when we have news about Brazil, the fact that you lived there and actually were part of the

00:31:20.060 political protests, I think gives you an excellent perspective. Thank you. Thank you so much.

00:31:25.580 All right. Well, it's great to meet you. There you have it. That's Julia Song, who emigrated from

00:31:30.780 Brazil to the United States, but when she was in Brazil, was a pro-freedom activist

00:31:36.720 under the previous authoritarian regime. Stay with us or head on the record.

00:31:52.960 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Jason Kenney's bizarre immigration announcement.

00:31:56.760 Rick writes, this better be someone's idea of a joke. We need Alberta and Albertans first. I'm not

00:32:01.300 anti-immigration, but let's meet our own needs first and then see where we're at. Yeah. I mean,

00:32:06.220 there can be an argument for bringing in cheap foreign labor when the labor market is extremely

00:32:12.740 tight and people won't take jobs. Although the proper response there is for employers to pay an

00:32:18.480 extra buck an hour. You know, would it really hurt if you've got a really amazing booming economy

00:32:25.580 and restaurants move their price up by a buck or so? So, so working people would make an extra buck.

00:32:33.760 I mean, I'm a capitalist as all get out, but I think the answer to a tight labor market is to pay

00:32:41.020 people more, not to bring in cheap foreign labor to undermine Canadian. That's for you in a tight

00:32:46.400 market. Alberta's had high unemployment and really a perpetual recession for four years. What is he

00:32:53.440 thinking? Bruce writes, I'm deeply ashamed of Jason Kenney. Ottawa poisoned him. And even though I'll

00:33:00.140 vote UPC, I'm not voting for Kenney. You know, I used to know him pretty well. And I don't know what

00:33:04.720 happened there. I mean, I know the moment we diverged, it's when he, when he called, um,

00:33:11.980 the 3,000 oil and gas men and women who are unemployed at our carbon tax, when he called 0.93

00:33:17.820 them ridiculous and offensive. And I thought, well, whose side are you on? Who are you trying?

00:33:22.540 They're not, they're unemployed men and women. They're desperate and they're not

00:33:25.460 protesting politely enough for you. What's that snobbiness? How do you maintain that snobbiness 1.00

00:33:31.920 booting around Alberta in a pickup truck? What is, what's going on there? I don't know.

00:33:36.640 Clayton writes, prior to Kenney's PCAA leadership, when he came to Red Deer and he spoke about turning

00:33:43.180 Calgary into a Silicon Valley of the North, I thought it was bizarre not to fix the oil and gas

00:33:48.560 problem first. This is not a one-off. Jason Kenney was the immigration minister when Saskatchewan

00:33:53.840 waitresses were being laid off in Weyburn. Temporary foreign workers were hired to replace them. And

00:33:58.780 CBC reported this. Ralph Goodale's former aide didn't fall too far from the tree. Yeah, I mean,

00:34:05.500 listen, I, I'm sure there have been wonderful people who have come to Canada through these open

00:34:11.300 borders programs, but you know, in the United States, they have their illegal immigration that

00:34:17.220 sneak across the border and they undercut American workers. I don't think it's much better when you 0.95

00:34:22.340 have, when you give really cheap foreign labor a fancy name like temporary foreign worker and you

00:34:28.700 just undermine Canadians. That's, I mean, I suppose you could make the argument that that's in the 0.99

00:34:33.840 interest of capitalism, but I don't think that's the interest of a country. I don't think, I mean,

00:34:41.580 I know who likes open borders, the big companies because they have cheap labor and higher prices for,

00:34:49.640 you know, real estate. So I guess if you're a tycoon, you like the cheap labor and the high cost

00:34:56.780 of living because you benefit on both sides. But I don't think that's, I don't think that's how it's

00:35:01.280 supposed to work. Karen writes, I have a concern that there's too much content given to far right

00:35:06.200 extremists. The rebel is getting connected to the far right, which is not good for the conservatives

00:35:10.700 being an election year. Canadians hear groups like North 99 criticizing and posting misleading

00:35:16.040 information that gives people the wrong impression. I know you can't control the enemy, but at least

00:35:20.700 cool it with interviews with people who are perceived to be far right. Yeah, Karen, I don't,

00:35:26.840 I don't think that's, that's how it works. And I know your letter went on a little bit more and

00:35:30.240 talked about a right-wing senator. I know you're referring to Senator David Tkachuk, who, who used

00:35:35.600 to turn a phrase, we're going to roll over the liberals. And everyone, oh my God, he means to

00:35:39.360 actually take a truck and roll over liberals. I'm sure he means that. Listen, if you start to censor

00:35:44.920 yourself and tailor what you say based on your hope that you can make your enemies not be your enemies

00:35:53.600 anymore, it ain't going to work. That's the thing. I mean, isn't that the lesson from the United

00:35:58.800 States? Mitt Romney was possibly the nicest human being to run for president in a century.

00:36:05.800 I mean, there's a guy who got an enormous inheritance from his father, who used to be the

00:36:10.020 president of American Motors Corporation. And he just said, no, dad, I don't want my inheritance.

00:36:15.040 What? There's a guy who voluntarily paid more tax than he had coming to him. What? There's a guy who

00:36:21.500 was, I mean, as close to a saint as possible. And they found reasons to demonize him and hate him.

00:36:27.720 He used the phrase, he said, hire women. I got binders full of women. Do you remember he just said

00:36:33.080 that phrase in passing? Uh-oh, he has binders full of women. He puts women in binders. Like, 1.00

00:36:39.880 they'll do anything to destroy a good man. And to try and live your life to make it impossible for

00:36:46.580 your enemies to hate you is not possible. And look, they devoured him. Donald Trump,

00:36:50.680 who was the opposite, won because he pushed back. You know, I don't even know what far right means.

00:36:57.140 I know it's meant as an insult. I think that on many of the issues of the day, we're squarely with

00:37:01.780 the Canadian people. I mean, with a carbon tax, it's sort of a yes or a no choice. I don't know

00:37:05.660 if you can be far right. I mean, I'm super against paying a tax. Does that make me far right or if I'm

00:37:10.580 just sort of against it? Most Canadians don't want to pay the carbon tax. Yeah, we're not far

00:37:15.400 anything. 94% of Canadians don't think we should increase immigration. They either think it's right

00:37:23.780 or should be reduced. Only 6% of Canadians want more immigration numbers. So that doesn't make

00:37:29.860 you far anything. So I think you've got to stop letting the bad guys read, hand you a script in

00:37:36.560 your life to read. We're going to keep providing the other side of the story. And this obscure

00:37:42.000 website you mentioned, North 99, that's some front group for some, the NDP or the liberals or

00:37:47.120 whatever. I just don't even care. We're going to tell the truth. And by the way, it's our honest

00:37:51.020 opinions. I'm not saying we never get it wrong, but we're going to say what we actually mean and

00:37:55.160 believe. And so far, Canadians seem to like it. We're in our fifth year now. That's the show.

00:38:01.260 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.

00:38:04.260 Good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - February 27, 2019

Tommy Robinson was banned by Facebook and Instagram — and “their reasoning should terrify you”

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