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Trans Mountain pipeline builder says he’ll take action as protesters block construction. Is that true？


Summary

In this episode, Ezra takes you through an interview with Ian Anderson, the President of the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project, about the future of the project and what it means for Canada's future in the oil and gas industry.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I take you through a couple of interesting comments from the boss of
00:00:03.980 the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project. You know, they are actually building parts of
00:00:09.140 that pipeline, the easy parts, in Alberta mainly. But what's going to happen when they get into
00:00:14.540 British Columbia? Well, I'll show you an interview from Ian Anderson, the president of the company,
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00:00:56.220 Tonight, the Trans Mountain Pipeline Builders says he's prepared to take action if protesters
00:01:06.180 block construction. But is that true? It's September 16th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:13.060 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:16.740 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:20.380 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's
00:01:25.200 my bloody right to do so.
00:01:31.240 I saw an interview on TV with the president of the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project.
00:01:37.360 Ian Anderson is his name, lifelong pipeline builder. But his pipeline was blocked by the liberals.
00:01:44.060 It's actually supposed to be done by now, really. Of all the pipeline proposals, it should have
00:01:48.060 been the easiest to get done. There's another pipeline called the Northern Gateway Pipeline
00:01:54.240 Project. It was going to be wonderful. It was partially owned by local Indian bands along the
00:01:59.900 route. How awesome is that? As the name suggests, it was a northern route. So many of the jobs would
00:02:05.500 go to Indian bands that have very little economic activity. But alas, Gerald Butts didn't like it.
00:02:11.760 Because the real alternative is not an alternative route. It's an alternative economy.
00:02:17.940 What a destroyer. Energy East was another wonderful proposal, truly a national unity project like the
00:02:26.040 Trans-Canada Highway. It would have taken oil from Alberta and sent it to the largest refinery in Canada,
00:02:32.320 which you may not know is in New Brunswick. Right now, that giant refinery buys oil from OPEC countries
00:02:39.420 like Saudi Arabia, as well as some American imports. Imagine buying Canadian oil instead.
00:02:44.680 Talk about national unity. And don't think the Irving family would be doing it for that reason alone.
00:02:49.740 Of course, Alberta oil sells for a discount to world oil prices. So the refinery would say billions
00:02:55.480 over time. So it would be a win for Alberta to get a second market, higher prices than now. A win for
00:03:00.960 the refinery to get secure supply, lower prices than now. A win for everyone who would think it's
00:03:07.880 better to have Canadian ethical oil than Saudi conflict oil in their cars. And wow, a $15 billion
00:03:15.560 construction project for Atlantic Canada and Quebec. Alas, Trudeau killed that too. So Trans Mountain
00:03:22.040 was the last big one. In a way, it was the easiest one. It already exists. See, it was built,
00:03:31.160 I don't know, almost a century ago, if you can believe it, through the Rocky Mountains in the 1950s.
00:03:38.160 Seriously, the pipeline is almost 80. It's a marvel of engineering. But my point is, the path is
00:03:44.140 already there. They were just doubling the pipeline on the path. So they do have to dig it up and
00:03:49.320 refurbish it and make it bigger and more modern, more high tech. But the route is already there.
00:03:53.740 No one can say it's invasive. Check this out. This is what the pipeline looks like for the vast majority
00:04:00.100 of its route. You can't see it because it is buried underground. This is from a liberal on Twitter,
00:04:05.680 by the way, who says, for anyone wondering, this is what the current Trans Mountain pipeline looks
00:04:09.880 like outside of beautiful Jasper, Alberta. Note, the pipeline is buried underground. Well,
00:04:14.620 pleased to see a liberal saying that. It's underground. You wouldn't even know it's there.
00:04:18.940 So it's not ugly like massive wind turbine farms. There's no chance of it derailing like massive oil
00:04:25.720 tanker trains. No one even notices the pipelines there. But Trudeau campaigned against oil and gas,
00:04:31.820 so he had to delay this pipeline also to get through his last election. He promised
00:04:37.060 his leftist environmentalist base. He promised Gerald Butts. The National Energy Board had
00:04:42.500 already approved the pipeline in terms of being environmentally progressive and friendly
00:04:46.620 to indigenous people. So the pipeline got the green light. So there really wasn't any legal excuse
00:04:51.460 for Trudeau to block it. So what could he do? Cancel it and basically confirm that no large projects
00:04:58.000 could never be done in Canada again and also risk being sued for billions by Kinder Morgan,
00:05:02.860 the company that took Canada's loss at face value and actually thought if you follow the rules,
00:05:06.520 you can build something. So he could do that. But he panicked and did what Trudeau does. He throws money
00:05:15.120 at a problem, billions. He overpaid. He bought the thing, the existing pipeline for more than a billion
00:05:20.560 over market value. He bought the pipeline built in the 50s. It really wasn't for sale.
00:05:24.380 When he was happily pumping away, Trudeau bought that for a billion over market value
00:05:29.300 just to shut up Kinder Morgan to buy Trudeau time to get through the last election without either
00:05:34.560 environmentalists or Kinder Morgan squawking too much. But now some people are actually expecting
00:05:40.780 the thing to be built. The pipeline company, Jason Kenney of Alberta, other people are expecting it to be
00:05:46.600 killed. The environmental extremists, the Gerald Butts people, the Sapporo Berman people.
00:05:51.280 So what's going to happen? Well, here's an interesting interview with the boss of the pipeline,
00:05:57.280 Ian Anderson, who was on Bluebird TV, being interviewed by Tara Weber, who I thought asked
00:06:01.180 some pretty good questions. Here's the first one. What do you think of this?
00:06:04.040 Another challenge that you're likely going to face would be protesters as we head towards those areas.
00:06:08.920 How do you anticipate dealing with that?
00:06:11.080 We keep a close eye on activity. We obviously, you know, don't discourage, you know,
00:06:16.980 law-abiding, peaceful protest activity as everybody's right in our society. And we don't discourage
00:06:23.620 that. But to the extent that it impedes our work at our work sites or threatens or causes unsafe
00:06:29.740 conditions, then we'll take immediate action. We're, you know, prepared for whatever might come
00:06:37.760 our way. But at the same time, we're really hopeful that it's going to be peaceful and law-abiding and
00:06:42.740 that the men and women working on this project can continue to.
00:06:46.580 I like that answer. He's fine with peaceful protests. That's excellent.
00:06:49.500 He's all for safety. That's excellent. But if someone blocks things, he'll take immediate action.
00:06:55.640 Really? What does that mean? That means he'll go to court. Okay, that's what law-abiding people do.
00:07:03.380 He might even get a court injunction. I'm sure he's got a half a dozen already. He's a collector.
00:07:08.220 All oil and gas and forestry and coal and mining companies are connoisseurs of court injunctions.
00:07:14.480 They have very many of them. Very expensive. But as Stalin once said about the Pope, how many
00:07:19.640 divisions has he got? As in, thanks for the sentiments. How can you enforce it?
00:07:25.780 Thanks for the injunction. Let me show you what the injunction looks like in northern BC.
00:07:31.520 Here's Kian Bextie visiting people who were the subject of several injunctions in a northern BC pipeline.
00:07:40.180 This one's for natural gas.
00:07:42.020 Yeah, what I would suggest is you guys just go and then maybe come back later.
00:07:51.360 Could I just pop out and grab some footage?
00:07:54.180 No footage. Yeah, just talk to the hereditaries down there before you come up.
00:07:59.960 Maybe you can have a...
00:08:02.020 There was no hereditary... Would they meet us up there?
00:08:07.640 Could I ask one question before we go? You guys are using tires and gasoline.
00:08:17.920 Is that hypocritical at all given that you want to stop a pipeline?
00:08:20.760 No, we're going... We're directing you to the hereditary chiefs now so you can go...
00:08:26.760 All right.
00:08:28.920 Kian went back up there again to a town where illegal blockaders have been there so long
00:08:33.220 they've actually set up little houses. They're there permanently.
00:08:36.680 This blockade has been going on, from my understanding, for months, if not years,
00:08:42.360 along with these tiny houses that have been built here.
00:08:47.040 That is where they get their name, the Tiny House Warriors.
00:08:51.100 Obviously, it is all part of a narrative, right?
00:08:53.520 It's like building a medical centre that has to be torn down,
00:08:56.260 that they know is going to have to be torn down.
00:08:58.020 It's all about the narrative here.
00:08:59.800 And right now, it's completely empty, which is great.
00:09:03.720 That's, frankly, the only reason our security, which is they're standing with us,
00:09:07.000 is allowing us to be here right now, because the rest of them have all sort of marched through town
00:09:11.400 and are having a bit of a session.
00:09:14.020 So, yeah, Ian Anderson is going to take immediate action, is he?
00:09:17.100 To pay lots of money to lawyers to run to court to come by
00:09:20.240 to put another injunction on the pile of injunctions.
00:09:25.660 It doesn't work, injunctions court stuff.
00:09:29.580 It doesn't work if the police don't enforce it.
00:09:31.940 The RCMP, do you think the RCMP is going to enforce it?
00:09:35.280 Here's Trudeau's hand-picked shill, who runs the RCMP now.
00:09:40.000 Brenda Luckey is her name.
00:09:41.140 I've literally not heard a single police officer anywhere ever say a good word about her.
00:09:46.220 She's Trudeau's man down to her bones.
00:09:48.320 You can tell by her letting him slide on SNC-Lavalin,
00:09:52.940 by her letting him slide on We Charity Corruption.
00:09:55.980 If Trudeau's hand-picked puppet doesn't take immediate action,
00:09:59.860 what exactly is Ian Anderson going to do with all those injunctions?
00:10:04.800 Injunctions? We've got to sail on injunctions.
00:10:07.920 Buy four, get your fifth free.
00:10:10.260 Here's some more from Tara Weber's interview with Ian Anderson on Bloomberg.
00:10:13.420 She basically asked him that same question.
00:10:15.100 When you say immediate action, what happens if these protests turn violent,
00:10:19.580 as we've seen with some of the other protests around pipelines?
00:10:22.560 Yeah, the authorities have their jobs to do,
00:10:24.960 and we're in regular contact with authorities,
00:10:28.020 and we are inclined to take immediate and swift action,
00:10:32.280 and we've got an injunction in British Columbia
00:10:34.180 that prevents anybody from impeding the work or creating unsafe conditions.
00:10:38.640 We're patient.
00:10:39.620 We will take the necessary steps, but we'll ensure that the work is safe and can proceed.
00:10:47.780 Immediate and swift action, but we're patient, and we will take the necessary steps.
00:10:52.760 Look, it's easy to build the pipeline in Alberta,
00:10:55.520 and at the end of the pipeline in Burnaby, Kinder Morgan has a fenced-off facility.
00:10:59.360 Those are the easy parts in, it's BC, but it's not easy.
00:11:05.880 That part hasn't started in earnest yet.
00:11:09.180 I think we might be heading into an election sooner rather than later.
00:11:12.760 It's not a question of if, but a question of when.
00:11:15.640 When Sipporah Berman and Gerald Butz and the rest of the foreign-funded eco-extremists
00:11:20.680 send their cannon fodder to stop this pipeline,
00:11:23.740 when they're supplemented by Antifa rioters and all sorts of imported extremists from the U.S.,
00:11:30.000 when they come in military-style, Antifa-style, riot-style,
00:11:34.300 when they threaten all sorts of violence like we've seen in the United States,
00:11:38.420 I'm sure Ian Anderson will rush to court and get the finest injunction money can buy
00:11:44.880 with a fine leather binding.
00:11:47.480 Frame the thing. Hang it on your wall.
00:11:49.540 It's going to be such a beautiful injunction.
00:11:52.980 But do you think for a second that Justin Trudeau will enforce that injunction,
00:11:57.020 either with the RCMP or even, I don't know, with the military?
00:12:02.260 Yesterday, Sheila Gunn-Reed and I both showed you how Trudeau's military right now
00:12:06.440 is putting together a plan for how to handle Canadians who don't agree with Trudeau on the pandemic.
00:12:11.960 The military made a nine-page PSYOPs, psychological operations battle plan for that.
00:12:18.380 But for actual threats of violence and terrorism against critical infrastructure in Canada?
00:12:23.920 Are you kidding? No way.
00:12:26.680 When Jim Carr, the former Trudeau energy minister,
00:12:29.640 mused for one moment that the military might have to respond to violent eco-terrorism
00:12:35.280 while Trudeau frog-marched him back out in public and told him to retract
00:12:39.420 and to apologize for even suggesting that the rioters would be stopped.
00:12:44.220 He was ordered to apologize for even speaking theoretically,
00:12:47.940 hypothetically, about sending in the army to stop eco-terrorists.
00:12:52.760 That was four years ago when Trudeau had a majority government,
00:12:55.600 when he was still high in the polls,
00:12:57.020 before the blackface fiasco and the SNC-Lavalin fiasco
00:13:00.900 and they'll meet a wee fiasco and all his fiascos.
00:13:04.660 Do you really think Trudeau would, even for a second,
00:13:08.560 actually take steps against the violent left now?
00:13:11.760 When he has a minority government and he's promised to phase out energy?
00:13:15.600 You really think so, eh?
00:13:17.220 I don't know.
00:13:18.040 Well, maybe the new pro-Western deputy prime minister
00:13:20.560 has something to say about that.
00:13:22.320 To Lena's question about decarbonization
00:13:26.580 as part of our economic plan going forward,
00:13:31.520 of course, it has to be part of it.
00:13:34.280 I think all Canadians understand
00:13:36.160 that the restart of our economy needs to be green.
00:13:41.680 Oh, right.
00:13:42.820 Yeah, look, I like Ian Anderson a lot.
00:13:45.440 Maybe he can ring a few billion more out of Trudeau
00:13:48.380 because he's really not going to get any help stopping the rioters, isn't he?
00:13:52.900 Stay with us for more.
00:14:05.900 I remember when I first heard of the Imperial College in London
00:14:10.400 and their epidemiological models
00:14:13.320 that said, if I can translate into plain English,
00:14:17.320 we're all going to die from COVID-19.
00:14:21.020 If anything, it's called the Imperial College.
00:14:23.220 It's got to be, well, authoritative.
00:14:25.900 That's what the word imperial and college both mean.
00:14:29.500 That Imperial College model was later found to be junk,
00:14:34.560 junk science cobbled together.
00:14:37.700 And the man who put it together himself admits it was flawed.
00:14:40.720 And yet that was replicated around the world,
00:14:45.580 including here in Canada.
00:14:47.020 Justin Trudeau and Teresa Tam predicted
00:14:48.840 between 50,000 and 350,000 dead under those same models.
00:14:54.820 Of course, the real number is about 9,000,
00:14:57.540 and most of those are in Quebec with their pro-euthanasia,
00:15:01.420 do not resuscitate laws in seniors' homes.
00:15:04.180 But how about Saskatchewan?
00:15:07.660 Not a lot of international travel to Saskatchewan,
00:15:11.200 so perhaps it wouldn't have as many communicable patients
00:15:15.140 bringing the virus in,
00:15:16.240 no direct flights from China, for example,
00:15:18.660 or Italy, two places that had the disease, or Iran.
00:15:22.540 Well, those same models predicted that Saskatchewan,
00:15:26.020 a province of slightly more than a million people,
00:15:27.920 would still have between 3,000 and 8,300 deaths,
00:15:34.900 even with lockdowns, 10,000 without lockdowns.
00:15:38.440 Well, what's the actual statistic?
00:15:41.540 24 deaths in Saskatchewan.
00:15:44.260 A single death is something to lament,
00:15:46.880 but we're all going to die one day.
00:15:49.380 The average age of the deceased from this virus in Canada
00:15:53.180 is in the mid-80s, higher, in fact, than life expectancy.
00:15:57.440 And I come to my point this way.
00:16:00.460 If Saskatchewan, one of the safest places in the country,
00:16:03.760 by any measure, especially by this virus measure,
00:16:07.800 is bringing in lockdown laws that persist to this day
00:16:12.140 based on flawed methodology, flawed models, and junk science,
00:16:18.200 can it be legally justified?
00:16:21.380 Especially if it's taking away your basic rights,
00:16:24.660 your freedom to associate,
00:16:26.900 your freedom to assemble, as they say.
00:16:30.560 Well, our friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom
00:16:33.540 have done a legal analysis on this question
00:16:36.360 for the friendly province of Saskatchewan.
00:16:39.580 And one of their crack lawyers who attended school
00:16:42.200 at the University of Saskatchewan College of Law,
00:16:45.240 Marty Moore, joins us now via Skype.
00:16:47.640 Marty, great to see you again.
00:16:48.720 I've got a question for you.
00:16:54.620 Saskatchewan's been one of the provinces in Canada
00:16:57.340 touched most lightly by this virus.
00:17:00.360 And look, of course, even a single death is a tragedy.
00:17:03.580 But the pandemic that was supposed to kill
00:17:06.780 up to 10,000 Saskatchewan people,
00:17:11.420 it's killed 24.
00:17:12.960 So why is the place still under lockdown?
00:17:17.120 That's an excellent question, Ezra.
00:17:18.960 And that's the question that the Justice Center
00:17:20.360 is asking as well.
00:17:21.800 And you touched on it rightly when you said,
00:17:25.260 can the government justify these lockdown measures,
00:17:28.020 not only the initially imposed lockdown measures,
00:17:30.980 but the continually imposed lockdown measures
00:17:34.580 that are going on to this day,
00:17:36.300 including in areas of Saskatchewan
00:17:37.760 where they haven't seen a single case.
00:17:40.060 And there's no current cases, not deaths,
00:17:42.860 no current cases whatsoever.
00:17:45.000 They're still under lockdown restrictions.
00:17:47.400 And as you know, governments in Canada
00:17:49.440 are required to justify these actions
00:17:51.760 when they restrict Canadians' charter freedoms.
00:17:54.320 And it's quite shocking to think
00:17:56.600 that a government in Saskatchewan
00:17:58.020 is continuing to maintain,
00:17:59.880 in many cases, very invasive measures
00:18:02.340 restricting people's freedoms
00:18:04.120 under a perceived and asserted,
00:18:07.460 you know, risk to health and safety,
00:18:10.020 which quite frankly, can't be justified
00:18:12.540 in the circumstances that Saskatchewan is looking at.
00:18:15.760 Yeah.
00:18:16.140 You know, early in this pandemic,
00:18:17.480 we went through some of Canada's
00:18:19.080 emergency powers laws
00:18:21.020 with Sam Goldstein,
00:18:22.480 a bencher here in the Law Society of Ontario.
00:18:25.560 We went through the federal laws.
00:18:27.680 And what was interesting to me
00:18:28.740 is they were all time limited.
00:18:30.700 You know, an emergency by nature
00:18:32.980 is not a permanent situation.
00:18:37.220 The idea of a permanent revolution,
00:18:39.180 a permanent emergency,
00:18:40.440 that's the kind of language
00:18:41.600 that communist revolutionaries use
00:18:44.340 to excuse their heavy-handedness.
00:18:46.700 All of our emergency laws have a time limit,
00:18:49.780 have fail-safes in them.
00:18:51.960 And you can understand,
00:18:53.280 a pandemic comes in,
00:18:54.720 the death toll starts rising,
00:18:56.180 people don't understand it,
00:18:57.180 people freak out.
00:18:57.820 They say, okay, for a short period of time,
00:19:00.600 15 days to flatten the curve,
00:19:02.580 two weeks to flatten the curve, they said.
00:19:05.360 We're past six months to flatten the curve now.
00:19:08.880 And we've learned a lot more.
00:19:10.380 We've learned that the models were wrong.
00:19:11.840 We've learned that young people
00:19:12.860 just don't get sick,
00:19:15.480 or if they get sick, it's very gentle.
00:19:17.000 We've learned a lot more.
00:19:18.720 But the underlying models
00:19:20.740 have not been updated, have they?
00:19:23.860 No.
00:19:24.380 In fact, in Saskatchewan,
00:19:25.680 as you pointed out,
00:19:26.600 you know, the lowest projected death total
00:19:29.200 in Saskatchewan was going to be 3,075.
00:19:33.740 And, you know, Saskatchewan government,
00:19:35.180 after a month or so,
00:19:36.620 recognized that that was wildly off.
00:19:38.720 So they revised that projection.
00:19:41.140 They said, with lockdown measures,
00:19:42.520 our new estimation is 3,050.
00:19:46.580 And to date, there's been 24 deaths.
00:19:49.420 But, you know, the tragedy here, Ezra,
00:19:51.160 is that when the government's gone
00:19:52.940 on this lockdown,
00:19:54.700 you know, imposition
00:19:57.900 on many Saskatchewan residents,
00:19:59.420 in line with, you know,
00:20:00.380 almost every other jurisdiction in the world,
00:20:02.580 there have been harm to the residents,
00:20:06.760 not from COVID in most cases,
00:20:09.380 but from the lockdown measures themselves.
00:20:11.060 And as we note in our report,
00:20:12.520 the tragic case of Aaron Ogden,
00:20:14.340 who, you know, in a knee-jerk reaction,
00:20:16.360 Saskatchewan government canceled surgeries
00:20:18.440 and medical diagnostic exams.
00:20:22.100 Aaron Ogden's life could have been saved.
00:20:24.220 He had a diagnostic exam scheduled for June.
00:20:27.120 It was canceled.
00:20:28.140 On August 15th, he died due to a blood clot
00:20:32.240 that would have been detected
00:20:33.640 in that medical exam that was canceled.
00:20:36.060 This is a measurable life that was lost
00:20:38.580 due to a government decision
00:20:40.760 based out of fear of overwhelming
00:20:43.520 the healthcare system
00:20:44.760 instead of actual scientific evidence
00:20:47.200 as what was actually happening
00:20:48.740 on the ground.
00:20:49.900 And these are the tragedies
00:20:51.360 that unfortunately,
00:20:52.700 these stories are going to continue to come out.
00:20:55.040 And this is why in Canada,
00:20:57.220 governments must be held to account
00:20:59.500 to justify measures that violate
00:21:02.380 Saskatchewan residents'
00:21:05.060 charter rights and freedoms.
00:21:06.080 And that includes
00:21:07.080 their charter rights to associate.
00:21:08.980 That includes their right
00:21:10.440 to go and receive the services
00:21:11.940 that are necessary for their health
00:21:13.960 and security of the person.
00:21:15.900 And, you know,
00:21:16.860 to see these measures continuing
00:21:18.480 in this environment
00:21:20.260 with what we know now,
00:21:22.040 as you pointed out,
00:21:23.780 you know,
00:21:24.300 Saskatchewan residents deserve an answer.
00:21:26.440 The charter requires
00:21:27.300 that the government have a pressing
00:21:29.020 and substantial objective
00:21:30.900 that would justify
00:21:32.720 any limitation on charter rights.
00:21:35.020 And at this point,
00:21:36.080 one might ask,
00:21:36.940 what is the government's objective
00:21:38.600 in continuing these lockdown measures?
00:21:40.400 Yeah.
00:21:41.060 You know,
00:21:41.600 you were using that language,
00:21:42.720 pressing and substantial.
00:21:44.220 I haven't practiced law
00:21:45.220 in more than a decade,
00:21:46.420 but I know that's the language
00:21:47.920 when the government
00:21:51.400 violates your rights.
00:21:54.080 The first step of challenging that
00:21:55.840 is to say to the court,
00:21:57.000 my rights have been violated
00:21:58.160 in these particular ways.
00:21:59.960 That's usually pretty easy to prove.
00:22:02.040 The heart of the debate
00:22:03.180 then happens in the next step,
00:22:04.720 which is,
00:22:05.140 can the government justify them
00:22:08.160 in a free and democratic society,
00:22:10.680 demonstrably justify them?
00:22:13.080 Can they prove,
00:22:14.320 hey, everybody,
00:22:15.260 we know we're violating your rights.
00:22:17.920 We know that.
00:22:18.860 We know that's not normal,
00:22:20.300 but here's how.
00:22:21.180 And then,
00:22:21.780 if I'm not mistaken,
00:22:22.680 the name of the legal test
00:22:24.020 that set this up
00:22:25.320 more than decades ago
00:22:27.020 was called the Oaks Test.
00:22:28.540 And it has to,
00:22:29.720 you know,
00:22:30.000 is the infringement
00:22:33.260 rationally connected
00:22:35.780 to the overarching goal?
00:22:37.740 Is it the least infringement possible?
00:22:40.980 Is it proportional?
00:22:42.340 There's all these,
00:22:43.220 the government can't just say,
00:22:45.060 oh,
00:22:45.720 24 people age 85 got sick.
00:22:49.360 We're shutting down schools.
00:22:51.540 Like,
00:22:51.680 is it rationally connected?
00:22:52.960 Is it proportionate?
00:22:54.600 I don't think this passes the legal test,
00:22:57.940 but I'm surprised
00:22:58.760 not a single person
00:22:59.860 has filed a lawsuit
00:23:00.800 in Saskatchewan yet
00:23:01.860 that I know of.
00:23:02.980 Are you aware of any lawsuit
00:23:04.680 in Saskatchewan
00:23:05.960 to push back against any of this?
00:23:08.500 To date,
00:23:09.300 I am not aware
00:23:10.240 of a lawsuit
00:23:11.820 that has been filed
00:23:12.660 in Saskatchewan.
00:23:13.760 Yeah, that's correct.
00:23:14.640 Well, you know,
00:23:15.060 it's the same across
00:23:16.100 the rest of the country.
00:23:16.920 Other than Rocco Galati's lawsuit
00:23:18.540 in Ontario,
00:23:20.120 I mean,
00:23:20.560 I don't know of a lawsuit
00:23:21.380 in most jurisdictions.
00:23:23.980 Around the world,
00:23:24.820 I don't know why people
00:23:25.600 are being so passive
00:23:26.500 and submissive here.
00:23:28.760 Yeah, and you're right to note
00:23:31.340 that, you know,
00:23:32.140 the government is required
00:23:33.340 to justify these lockdowns.
00:23:34.880 I mean,
00:23:35.040 there are lawsuits
00:23:35.720 that are ongoing.
00:23:36.600 We have a few pending in Ontario.
00:23:38.160 We have a number in Alberta
00:23:39.720 and others in the works.
00:23:42.200 The reality is,
00:23:43.300 is that,
00:23:44.420 you know,
00:23:45.140 in Saskatchewan,
00:23:45.960 for example,
00:23:46.380 right now,
00:23:46.980 there is,
00:23:47.600 you know,
00:23:47.800 both the democratic process
00:23:49.060 and the legal process.
00:23:50.180 Saskatchewan has an election
00:23:51.180 going on right now.
00:23:52.080 It's appropriate for people
00:23:53.800 to ask their elected representatives
00:23:56.440 to spell out,
00:23:58.140 can you justify this lockdown?
00:23:59.680 What is the goal?
00:24:00.820 Is it to keep the healthcare system
00:24:02.920 from being overwhelmed?
00:24:04.000 Because we're not seeing that.
00:24:06.040 And if you tell me a goal
00:24:07.540 and tell me why that is
00:24:08.640 minimally impairing,
00:24:10.200 no one is trying to say
00:24:11.620 we shouldn't protect the vulnerable.
00:24:13.360 But when your government lockdown measures
00:24:15.300 go beyond protecting the vulnerable
00:24:16.980 and start interfering
00:24:18.520 with no attempt
00:24:20.720 at being minimally impairing
00:24:22.100 or proportionate,
00:24:24.160 you know,
00:24:24.520 people deserve answers.
00:24:25.860 And if the government
00:24:27.040 does not provide those answers,
00:24:28.560 it can expect in due course.
00:24:30.340 And hopefully,
00:24:31.740 things can be ramped up
00:24:32.840 in that regard
00:24:33.380 to find itself answering
00:24:34.440 those questions in court
00:24:35.520 where potentially
00:24:37.700 that's where this should be headed.
00:24:39.300 Yeah.
00:24:39.880 Well,
00:24:40.340 we have an event
00:24:41.240 that was supposed to proceed
00:24:42.580 in May in Regina.
00:24:44.420 We sold over 1,600 tickets
00:24:45.780 to a speech by Dr. Patrick Moore.
00:24:47.240 It was postponed.
00:24:48.720 And I understand May was really,
00:24:50.960 the height of the pandemic
00:24:52.280 was mid-April.
00:24:53.400 There was no way
00:24:54.120 it was going to proceed in May.
00:24:55.320 We rescheduled it for September.
00:24:57.220 They haven't updated the rules.
00:24:58.900 There's this massive theater
00:25:00.260 in Regina
00:25:01.180 called the Connexus Arts Center.
00:25:02.960 It's got 2,300 seats.
00:25:04.820 You could frankly
00:25:05.580 social distance
00:25:07.160 in that massive facility
00:25:09.540 and still have more
00:25:10.100 than 1,000 people in the room.
00:25:13.040 That's not allowed.
00:25:14.320 There's a very small group of people
00:25:16.500 who can meet indoors
00:25:17.360 even in a gigantic facility like that
00:25:19.960 whereas airplanes,
00:25:21.520 you're sitting right next to a person
00:25:22.800 in a metal tube for hours.
00:25:24.540 And I'm not saying
00:25:25.100 lock down the planes.
00:25:25.940 I'm just saying
00:25:26.340 there's no rhyme or reason here.
00:25:27.900 There's no rationale here.
00:25:29.360 I think everyone's just afraid
00:25:30.880 of being the first to loosen up
00:25:33.940 because you'll be accused
00:25:35.280 of being a murderer
00:25:36.280 or something
00:25:37.360 when in fact,
00:25:37.940 the opposite is true.
00:25:38.940 by shutting down normal life,
00:25:41.500 you are statistically,
00:25:43.840 undoubtedly,
00:25:45.440 causing many more deaths
00:25:46.900 than whatever you claim
00:25:47.960 to be saving.
00:25:50.240 And you note,
00:25:51.700 you know,
00:25:52.000 the irrationality around
00:25:53.340 the measures.
00:25:54.100 I mean,
00:25:54.340 for example,
00:25:54.860 in the north,
00:25:55.680 they received some of the
00:25:57.740 harshest lockdown conditions
00:25:59.400 actually in the country
00:26:00.560 where they had conditions
00:26:02.460 and imposed lockdowns
00:26:04.080 that would prohibit
00:26:04.760 northern residents
00:26:05.980 from leaving the boundaries
00:26:07.540 of their town
00:26:08.520 except for very explicit
00:26:10.680 and exceptional circumstances.
00:26:12.900 And so if you were living
00:26:14.100 in Beauval, Saskatchewan,
00:26:15.380 for example,
00:26:16.120 you could not go out
00:26:17.600 on the lake
00:26:18.160 or go for a walk
00:26:19.180 in the forest
00:26:19.840 because that was prohibited
00:26:21.020 by an order
00:26:22.440 of their chief medical
00:26:23.740 health officer.
00:26:24.620 And those are the kind
00:26:25.780 of things that,
00:26:26.760 as you know,
00:26:27.660 some of these things
00:26:28.420 haven't been taken down.
00:26:29.580 I mean,
00:26:29.740 the northern health order was,
00:26:31.300 but the irrationality
00:26:32.620 of some of these measures
00:26:33.480 continues.
00:26:34.080 And things need
00:26:35.940 to be narrowly tailored.
00:26:36.900 If you can identify
00:26:37.760 a risk to health,
00:26:39.100 address that risk.
00:26:40.500 But if we're just going
00:26:41.440 to continue to impose
00:26:42.920 lockdown measures
00:26:43.920 without specific
00:26:45.600 and demonstrable goals
00:26:48.340 and results,
00:26:49.800 then they are not justified.
00:26:52.380 And the government
00:26:53.540 should be concerned
00:26:54.440 because it loses legitimacy
00:26:56.040 on everything
00:26:57.620 when it demonstrates
00:26:59.440 such incompetency
00:27:00.960 and irrationality
00:27:02.160 on this very specific
00:27:03.780 and important issue.
00:27:05.040 Yeah.
00:27:05.880 You're so right.
00:27:06.680 You know,
00:27:06.900 you remind me of
00:27:07.780 when Edmonton brought
00:27:08.740 in its mask bylaw.
00:27:10.980 They didn't even pretend
00:27:12.040 it was about science.
00:27:12.820 They said it was public opinion.
00:27:14.600 Well,
00:27:14.780 that's not exactly
00:27:15.760 a strong,
00:27:17.020 demonstrable justification
00:27:19.480 for taking away
00:27:20.480 someone's rights
00:27:21.500 because everyone wants it.
00:27:23.260 That's not a pressing
00:27:24.460 public priority.
00:27:25.880 I think that,
00:27:27.820 you know,
00:27:29.880 I'm personally affected
00:27:31.380 by this.
00:27:32.100 1,660 of my friends
00:27:34.120 were affected by this
00:27:35.380 because we're not
00:27:36.020 allowed to meet.
00:27:37.600 I tell you,
00:27:38.840 maybe this is a province
00:27:40.520 that needs some litigation.
00:27:41.900 I mean,
00:27:42.440 Saskatchewan is generally
00:27:43.540 a common sense place.
00:27:44.820 It's not a radical
00:27:45.800 left-wing place.
00:27:47.420 I think the judges
00:27:48.120 are probably fairly reasonable.
00:27:49.980 The population
00:27:50.720 is probably not easily scared.
00:27:53.020 It's not like Toronto.
00:27:53.900 I think that maybe
00:27:57.320 Saskatchewan ought
00:27:58.440 to be a place
00:27:59.200 where a legal challenge
00:28:01.680 is made.
00:28:02.320 And frankly,
00:28:03.380 maybe the rebel
00:28:04.040 is the organization
00:28:06.620 to do it
00:28:07.320 because we ourselves
00:28:08.420 have been affected there.
00:28:09.260 We have lots of supporters
00:28:10.260 in Saskatchewan.
00:28:11.620 And you know what?
00:28:12.340 And I got a question for you.
00:28:14.720 Marty,
00:28:15.280 do you think
00:28:15.760 that the government
00:28:16.500 would actually like
00:28:18.420 someone to put their feet
00:28:21.060 to the fire on this
00:28:21.900 so they have some
00:28:23.960 because every other force
00:28:25.660 in the media says
00:28:26.780 keep in panic mode,
00:28:29.400 stay in panic mode.
00:28:30.620 Oh my God,
00:28:31.100 we got three new cases.
00:28:32.780 It's an outbreak.
00:28:33.880 Do you think
00:28:34.220 having a legal challenge
00:28:36.840 to the law
00:28:37.400 would be something
00:28:37.960 welcomed
00:28:38.600 by the government
00:28:40.480 of Saskatchewan
00:28:41.320 who could finally
00:28:42.420 have some pressure
00:28:43.880 pulling them
00:28:44.400 the other way
00:28:45.040 because the CBC,
00:28:46.880 Post Media,
00:28:48.780 you know,
00:28:49.080 every pundit
00:28:49.760 is saying
00:28:50.140 keep the lockdown,
00:28:51.260 fight the second wave,
00:28:52.320 wear a mask,
00:28:53.340 be paranoid,
00:28:54.160 be afraid.
00:28:54.960 Do you think
00:28:55.340 the government
00:28:55.780 might actually like
00:28:57.000 someone saying
00:28:58.160 no, no, no,
00:28:58.780 that's junk science.
00:29:00.980 Don't go
00:29:02.060 paranoid Toronto
00:29:03.580 on everybody.
00:29:04.620 You're free people.
00:29:05.660 You're Saskatchewan people.
00:29:07.700 You've had almost
00:29:08.600 no deaths
00:29:09.360 and very few illnesses
00:29:10.500 from this.
00:29:12.240 Don't be crazy.
00:29:14.980 When a government
00:29:15.980 decides to,
00:29:17.340 you know,
00:29:18.140 enact measures
00:29:19.420 based on fear
00:29:21.000 rather than
00:29:22.320 the facts
00:29:22.880 of a situation,
00:29:24.540 it may very well
00:29:25.780 be time
00:29:26.380 to see court applications
00:29:29.620 bring the government
00:29:30.920 back to center.
00:29:32.260 And sadly,
00:29:33.860 the fear
00:29:34.560 that is being conjured
00:29:37.460 in many parts
00:29:38.740 of society,
00:29:39.520 unfortunately,
00:29:40.620 is a powerful
00:29:42.000 motivator
00:29:43.160 for many people.
00:29:43.880 but rationality
00:29:46.740 and facts
00:29:48.600 should prevail.
00:29:49.940 And if they're
00:29:50.300 not prevailing
00:29:51.100 in the public
00:29:52.740 decision-making process,
00:29:54.640 they better prevail
00:29:56.380 in a courtroom.
00:29:57.780 And, you know,
00:29:58.740 I can tell,
00:30:00.360 you know,
00:30:00.620 people,
00:30:01.100 not to speak
00:30:02.480 too far ahead
00:30:03.200 of myself,
00:30:03.980 but you can keep
00:30:05.300 posted on these issues
00:30:06.700 because court applications
00:30:08.560 may very well be coming.
00:30:10.160 All right.
00:30:10.920 Well, you get me excited.
00:30:11.960 I want to join in some
00:30:12.900 of that action, Marty.
00:30:16.620 What I would say
00:30:17.320 to people who are scared
00:30:18.320 is govern yourself.
00:30:20.860 You know,
00:30:21.000 you don't want to go outside?
00:30:21.920 Fine.
00:30:22.220 You want to sit in the corner
00:30:23.040 with the lights out?
00:30:23.760 Fine.
00:30:24.300 You want to hide
00:30:24.800 under your bed?
00:30:25.400 Fine.
00:30:25.660 I'm not going to tell you
00:30:26.400 how you live your life.
00:30:27.300 Just don't tell me
00:30:28.300 how to live mine.
00:30:28.880 You don't want to send
00:30:29.400 your kids to summer camp?
00:30:30.480 That's fine.
00:30:31.020 Don't stop me
00:30:31.540 from doing the same
00:30:32.140 over here.
00:30:32.740 You want to wear a mask?
00:30:33.720 If you're in your car,
00:30:35.640 windows up,
00:30:36.200 rolled up,
00:30:36.780 only person you want
00:30:37.780 to wear a mask,
00:30:38.440 you want to wear
00:30:38.840 some scuba gear.
00:30:40.200 You want to put on some scuba,
00:30:40.980 you want to wear
00:30:41.380 a full wetsuit.
00:30:42.740 You want to dress
00:30:43.440 like an astronaut.
00:30:44.780 Knock yourself out.
00:30:46.160 Just don't make me
00:30:47.420 do the same thing.
00:30:48.620 Marty,
00:30:49.000 I think I'm going to be
00:30:49.780 in touch with you
00:30:50.240 by telephone
00:30:50.800 because if there's
00:30:52.520 any legal action,
00:30:53.280 I think we might
00:30:53.780 want to be part of it.
00:30:55.780 All right.
00:30:56.360 Well,
00:30:56.680 happy to have
00:30:57.520 those conversations.
00:30:58.440 We have them with
00:30:59.000 thousands of Canadians
00:31:00.300 across the country
00:31:01.080 on a monthly basis.
00:31:03.740 There's a lot of people
00:31:05.120 that are starting
00:31:06.140 to realize
00:31:06.920 that these measures
00:31:08.480 are not justified
00:31:09.600 and people need
00:31:11.600 to push back.
00:31:12.260 And again,
00:31:12.560 I know that
00:31:13.560 as an individual
00:31:15.500 resident of Saskatchewan,
00:31:16.700 you have a right
00:31:17.320 to contact
00:31:17.960 your elected representatives
00:31:19.100 and if they are not
00:31:20.220 going to behave
00:31:20.860 rationally on this,
00:31:21.940 you can vote them
00:31:22.460 out of office.
00:31:23.820 Tough talk, Marty.
00:31:24.980 Great to see you.
00:31:25.760 All right.
00:31:26.080 Good luck to the JCCF.
00:31:27.780 We're huge fans of yours
00:31:29.600 all the time.
00:31:30.300 We always follow
00:31:30.800 what you do.
00:31:32.040 I'd encourage people
00:31:32.760 to go to JCCF.ca
00:31:34.360 to check out
00:31:35.080 all your activities
00:31:36.020 and to read
00:31:36.740 your legal opinion.
00:31:39.240 Thank you very much, Ezra.
00:31:40.440 Thanks, Marty.
00:31:41.220 All right, folks.
00:31:41.860 Stay with us.
00:31:42.320 Bye right now.
00:31:54.160 Hey, welcome back
00:31:54.880 on my monologue
00:31:55.420 on the Armed Forces
00:31:56.420 Propaganda Plan.
00:31:57.420 John writes,
00:31:59.200 Rosemary Barton
00:31:59.840 is the CBC's
00:32:00.620 Tokyo Rose.
00:32:02.880 Yeah, I mean,
00:32:04.160 I mentioned the other day
00:32:05.400 that CBC senior personnel
00:32:08.280 regard themselves,
00:32:09.460 they think of themselves
00:32:10.280 as bureaucrats
00:32:12.460 in the civil service,
00:32:13.300 like an assistant
00:32:14.760 deputy minister
00:32:15.500 or something.
00:32:16.640 Rosemary Barton
00:32:17.240 absolutely thinks
00:32:18.460 of herself
00:32:18.880 as an attache
00:32:20.180 to the government,
00:32:20.800 maybe even
00:32:21.160 an honorary cabinet minister.
00:32:22.940 She's not
00:32:23.240 an independent journalist.
00:32:24.100 It is completely reasonable
00:32:26.620 based on that
00:32:27.900 PSYOPs document
00:32:28.940 to think that
00:32:29.960 the Canadian military
00:32:30.900 works with the CBC
00:32:31.960 to propagandize
00:32:33.500 on behalf of Trudeau.
00:32:34.540 It was all in writing.
00:32:37.100 Doug writes,
00:32:38.440 please,
00:32:38.840 my fellow Canadians,
00:32:39.700 let us unite
00:32:40.220 to remove this
00:32:40.740 inept and extremely
00:32:41.800 corrupt
00:32:42.340 government ASAP.
00:32:45.020 Well,
00:32:45.640 I think you might
00:32:46.300 get your wish.
00:32:47.060 I am increasingly
00:32:48.180 thinking
00:32:48.680 there will be
00:32:49.720 an election
00:32:50.180 before the end
00:32:50.960 of the year.
00:32:52.720 On my interview
00:32:53.440 with Joel Pollack,
00:32:54.160 Greg writes,
00:32:55.160 God bless and protect
00:32:55.900 President Trump.
00:32:56.600 He made this possible
00:32:57.440 and deserves
00:32:58.080 at least one
00:32:58.740 Nobel Prize
00:32:59.480 of the two nominations
00:33:00.700 he's received
00:33:01.380 so far.
00:33:01.880 Beautiful.
00:33:02.640 Yeah,
00:33:02.840 I just can't believe
00:33:03.960 the warmth
00:33:04.960 of this piece.
00:33:05.820 First of all,
00:33:06.460 it's peace for peace,
00:33:07.660 not peace for money
00:33:08.920 or peace for land.
00:33:10.740 It's peace for peace.
00:33:11.760 That's the only kind
00:33:12.400 of peace that's
00:33:12.900 sustainable.
00:33:14.100 And to see
00:33:14.540 the leaders
00:33:15.040 of these Muslim countries
00:33:16.080 embrace the Jewish
00:33:17.360 Torah scrolls
00:33:18.400 and be so friendly
00:33:20.360 religiously
00:33:21.300 when we've had
00:33:21.960 centuries of hate,
00:33:23.440 that's incredible
00:33:24.300 to behold.
00:33:25.000 I like what Joel
00:33:26.040 emphasized.
00:33:26.960 These are called
00:33:27.380 the Abraham Accords,
00:33:29.060 a reminder
00:33:29.740 that Jews,
00:33:30.600 Christians,
00:33:30.980 and Muslims
00:33:31.420 come from
00:33:32.240 the same patriarch.
00:33:33.460 I think that's
00:33:33.860 a powerful way
00:33:34.440 to have framed it.
00:33:35.100 I find it
00:33:35.620 very encouraging.
00:33:36.720 Maybe I'm too
00:33:37.400 gullible
00:33:38.340 or utopian
00:33:39.180 or idealistic,
00:33:40.360 but it looks
00:33:40.980 realer than anything
00:33:42.220 else we've seen
00:33:42.940 in years.
00:33:44.360 That's the show
00:33:44.980 for today.
00:33:45.400 Until tomorrow,
00:33:46.240 on behalf of all
00:33:46.940 of us here
00:33:47.260 at Rebel World
00:33:47.760 Headquarters
00:33:48.180 to you at home,
00:33:48.760 good night,
00:33:49.500 and keep fighting
00:33:50.080 for freedom.
00:33:50.520 We'll see you next time.
00:33:52.760 Thank you.
00:33:53.080 We'll see you next time.
00:33:54.060 You've been
00:34:02.620 following you.
00:34:03.500 Thank you.