Rebel News Podcast - Trans Mountain pipeline builder says he’ll take action as protesters block construction. Is that true？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I take you through a couple of interesting comments from the boss of

00:00:03.980 the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project. You know, they are actually building parts of

00:00:09.140 that pipeline, the easy parts, in Alberta mainly. But what's going to happen when they get into

00:00:14.540 British Columbia? Well, I'll show you an interview from Ian Anderson, the president of the company,

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00:00:56.220 Tonight, the Trans Mountain Pipeline Builders says he's prepared to take action if protesters

00:01:06.180 block construction. But is that true? It's September 16th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:13.060 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:16.740 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:20.380 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's

00:01:25.200 my bloody right to do so.

00:01:31.240 I saw an interview on TV with the president of the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project.

00:01:37.360 Ian Anderson is his name, lifelong pipeline builder. But his pipeline was blocked by the liberals.

00:01:44.060 It's actually supposed to be done by now, really. Of all the pipeline proposals, it should have

00:01:48.060 been the easiest to get done. There's another pipeline called the Northern Gateway Pipeline

00:01:54.240 Project. It was going to be wonderful. It was partially owned by local Indian bands along the

00:01:59.900 route. How awesome is that? As the name suggests, it was a northern route. So many of the jobs would

00:02:05.500 go to Indian bands that have very little economic activity. But alas, Gerald Butts didn't like it.

00:02:11.760 Because the real alternative is not an alternative route. It's an alternative economy.

00:02:17.940 What a destroyer. Energy East was another wonderful proposal, truly a national unity project like the

00:02:26.040 Trans-Canada Highway. It would have taken oil from Alberta and sent it to the largest refinery in Canada,

00:02:32.320 which you may not know is in New Brunswick. Right now, that giant refinery buys oil from OPEC countries

00:02:39.420 like Saudi Arabia, as well as some American imports. Imagine buying Canadian oil instead.

00:02:44.680 Talk about national unity. And don't think the Irving family would be doing it for that reason alone.

00:02:49.740 Of course, Alberta oil sells for a discount to world oil prices. So the refinery would say billions

00:02:55.480 over time. So it would be a win for Alberta to get a second market, higher prices than now. A win for

00:03:00.960 the refinery to get secure supply, lower prices than now. A win for everyone who would think it's

00:03:07.880 better to have Canadian ethical oil than Saudi conflict oil in their cars. And wow, a $15 billion

00:03:15.560 construction project for Atlantic Canada and Quebec. Alas, Trudeau killed that too. So Trans Mountain

00:03:22.040 was the last big one. In a way, it was the easiest one. It already exists. See, it was built,

00:03:31.160 I don't know, almost a century ago, if you can believe it, through the Rocky Mountains in the 1950s.

00:03:38.160 Seriously, the pipeline is almost 80. It's a marvel of engineering. But my point is, the path is

00:03:44.140 already there. They were just doubling the pipeline on the path. So they do have to dig it up and

00:03:49.320 refurbish it and make it bigger and more modern, more high tech. But the route is already there.

00:03:53.740 No one can say it's invasive. Check this out. This is what the pipeline looks like for the vast majority

00:04:00.100 of its route. You can't see it because it is buried underground. This is from a liberal on Twitter,

00:04:05.680 by the way, who says, for anyone wondering, this is what the current Trans Mountain pipeline looks

00:04:09.880 like outside of beautiful Jasper, Alberta. Note, the pipeline is buried underground. Well,

00:04:14.620 pleased to see a liberal saying that. It's underground. You wouldn't even know it's there.

00:04:18.940 So it's not ugly like massive wind turbine farms. There's no chance of it derailing like massive oil

00:04:25.720 tanker trains. No one even notices the pipelines there. But Trudeau campaigned against oil and gas,

00:04:31.820 so he had to delay this pipeline also to get through his last election. He promised

00:04:37.060 his leftist environmentalist base. He promised Gerald Butts. The National Energy Board had

00:04:42.500 already approved the pipeline in terms of being environmentally progressive and friendly

00:04:46.620 to indigenous people. So the pipeline got the green light. So there really wasn't any legal excuse

00:04:51.460 for Trudeau to block it. So what could he do? Cancel it and basically confirm that no large projects

00:04:58.000 could never be done in Canada again and also risk being sued for billions by Kinder Morgan,

00:05:02.860 the company that took Canada's loss at face value and actually thought if you follow the rules,

00:05:06.520 you can build something. So he could do that. But he panicked and did what Trudeau does. He throws money

00:05:15.120 at a problem, billions. He overpaid. He bought the thing, the existing pipeline for more than a billion

00:05:20.560 over market value. He bought the pipeline built in the 50s. It really wasn't for sale.

00:05:24.380 When he was happily pumping away, Trudeau bought that for a billion over market value

00:05:29.300 just to shut up Kinder Morgan to buy Trudeau time to get through the last election without either

00:05:34.560 environmentalists or Kinder Morgan squawking too much. But now some people are actually expecting

00:05:40.780 the thing to be built. The pipeline company, Jason Kenney of Alberta, other people are expecting it to be

00:05:46.600 killed. The environmental extremists, the Gerald Butts people, the Sapporo Berman people.

00:05:51.280 So what's going to happen? Well, here's an interesting interview with the boss of the pipeline,

00:05:57.280 Ian Anderson, who was on Bluebird TV, being interviewed by Tara Weber, who I thought asked

00:06:01.180 some pretty good questions. Here's the first one. What do you think of this?

00:06:04.040 Another challenge that you're likely going to face would be protesters as we head towards those areas.

00:06:08.920 How do you anticipate dealing with that?

00:06:11.080 We keep a close eye on activity. We obviously, you know, don't discourage, you know,

00:06:16.980 law-abiding, peaceful protest activity as everybody's right in our society. And we don't discourage

00:06:23.620 that. But to the extent that it impedes our work at our work sites or threatens or causes unsafe

00:06:29.740 conditions, then we'll take immediate action. We're, you know, prepared for whatever might come

00:06:37.760 our way. But at the same time, we're really hopeful that it's going to be peaceful and law-abiding and

00:06:42.740 that the men and women working on this project can continue to.

00:06:46.580 I like that answer. He's fine with peaceful protests. That's excellent.

00:06:49.500 He's all for safety. That's excellent. But if someone blocks things, he'll take immediate action.

00:06:55.640 Really? What does that mean? That means he'll go to court. Okay, that's what law-abiding people do.

00:07:03.380 He might even get a court injunction. I'm sure he's got a half a dozen already. He's a collector.

00:07:08.220 All oil and gas and forestry and coal and mining companies are connoisseurs of court injunctions.

00:07:14.480 They have very many of them. Very expensive. But as Stalin once said about the Pope, how many

00:07:19.640 divisions has he got? As in, thanks for the sentiments. How can you enforce it?

00:07:25.780 Thanks for the injunction. Let me show you what the injunction looks like in northern BC.

00:07:31.520 Here's Kian Bextie visiting people who were the subject of several injunctions in a northern BC pipeline.

00:07:40.180 This one's for natural gas.

00:07:42.020 Yeah, what I would suggest is you guys just go and then maybe come back later.

00:07:51.360 Could I just pop out and grab some footage?

00:07:54.180 No footage. Yeah, just talk to the hereditaries down there before you come up.

00:07:59.960 Maybe you can have a...

00:08:02.020 There was no hereditary... Would they meet us up there?

00:08:07.640 Could I ask one question before we go? You guys are using tires and gasoline.

00:08:17.920 Is that hypocritical at all given that you want to stop a pipeline?

00:08:20.760 No, we're going... We're directing you to the hereditary chiefs now so you can go...

00:08:26.760 All right.

00:08:28.920 Kian went back up there again to a town where illegal blockaders have been there so long

00:08:33.220 they've actually set up little houses. They're there permanently.

00:08:36.680 This blockade has been going on, from my understanding, for months, if not years,

00:08:42.360 along with these tiny houses that have been built here.

00:08:47.040 That is where they get their name, the Tiny House Warriors.

00:08:51.100 Obviously, it is all part of a narrative, right?

00:08:53.520 It's like building a medical centre that has to be torn down,

00:08:56.260 that they know is going to have to be torn down.

00:08:58.020 It's all about the narrative here.

00:08:59.800 And right now, it's completely empty, which is great.

00:09:03.720 That's, frankly, the only reason our security, which is they're standing with us,

00:09:07.000 is allowing us to be here right now, because the rest of them have all sort of marched through town

00:09:11.400 and are having a bit of a session.

00:09:14.020 So, yeah, Ian Anderson is going to take immediate action, is he?

00:09:17.100 To pay lots of money to lawyers to run to court to come by

00:09:20.240 to put another injunction on the pile of injunctions.

00:09:25.660 It doesn't work, injunctions court stuff.

00:09:29.580 It doesn't work if the police don't enforce it.

00:09:31.940 The RCMP, do you think the RCMP is going to enforce it?

00:09:35.280 Here's Trudeau's hand-picked shill, who runs the RCMP now.

00:09:40.000 Brenda Luckey is her name.

00:09:41.140 I've literally not heard a single police officer anywhere ever say a good word about her.

00:09:46.220 She's Trudeau's man down to her bones.

00:09:48.320 You can tell by her letting him slide on SNC-Lavalin,

00:09:52.940 by her letting him slide on We Charity Corruption.

00:09:55.980 If Trudeau's hand-picked puppet doesn't take immediate action,

00:09:59.860 what exactly is Ian Anderson going to do with all those injunctions?

00:10:04.800 Injunctions? We've got to sail on injunctions. 0.76

00:10:07.920 Buy four, get your fifth free.

00:10:10.260 Here's some more from Tara Weber's interview with Ian Anderson on Bloomberg.

00:10:13.420 She basically asked him that same question.

00:10:15.100 When you say immediate action, what happens if these protests turn violent,

00:10:19.580 as we've seen with some of the other protests around pipelines?

00:10:22.560 Yeah, the authorities have their jobs to do,

00:10:24.960 and we're in regular contact with authorities,

00:10:28.020 and we are inclined to take immediate and swift action,

00:10:32.280 and we've got an injunction in British Columbia

00:10:34.180 that prevents anybody from impeding the work or creating unsafe conditions.

00:10:38.640 We're patient.

00:10:39.620 We will take the necessary steps, but we'll ensure that the work is safe and can proceed.

00:10:47.780 Immediate and swift action, but we're patient, and we will take the necessary steps.

00:10:52.760 Look, it's easy to build the pipeline in Alberta,

00:10:55.520 and at the end of the pipeline in Burnaby, Kinder Morgan has a fenced-off facility.

00:10:59.360 Those are the easy parts in, it's BC, but it's not easy.

00:11:05.880 That part hasn't started in earnest yet.

00:11:09.180 I think we might be heading into an election sooner rather than later.

00:11:12.760 It's not a question of if, but a question of when.

00:11:15.640 When Sipporah Berman and Gerald Butz and the rest of the foreign-funded eco-extremists

00:11:20.680 send their cannon fodder to stop this pipeline,

00:11:23.740 when they're supplemented by Antifa rioters and all sorts of imported extremists from the U.S.,

00:11:30.000 when they come in military-style, Antifa-style, riot-style,

00:11:34.300 when they threaten all sorts of violence like we've seen in the United States,

00:11:38.420 I'm sure Ian Anderson will rush to court and get the finest injunction money can buy

00:11:44.880 with a fine leather binding.

00:11:47.480 Frame the thing. Hang it on your wall.

00:11:49.540 It's going to be such a beautiful injunction.

00:11:52.980 But do you think for a second that Justin Trudeau will enforce that injunction,

00:11:57.020 either with the RCMP or even, I don't know, with the military?

00:12:02.260 Yesterday, Sheila Gunn-Reed and I both showed you how Trudeau's military right now

00:12:06.440 is putting together a plan for how to handle Canadians who don't agree with Trudeau on the pandemic.

00:12:11.960 The military made a nine-page PSYOPs, psychological operations battle plan for that.

00:12:18.380 But for actual threats of violence and terrorism against critical infrastructure in Canada?

00:12:23.920 Are you kidding? No way.

00:12:26.680 When Jim Carr, the former Trudeau energy minister,

00:12:29.640 mused for one moment that the military might have to respond to violent eco-terrorism

00:12:35.280 while Trudeau frog-marched him back out in public and told him to retract

00:12:39.420 and to apologize for even suggesting that the rioters would be stopped.

00:12:44.220 He was ordered to apologize for even speaking theoretically,

00:12:47.940 hypothetically, about sending in the army to stop eco-terrorists.

00:12:52.760 That was four years ago when Trudeau had a majority government,

00:12:55.600 when he was still high in the polls,

00:12:57.020 before the blackface fiasco and the SNC-Lavalin fiasco

00:13:00.900 and they'll meet a wee fiasco and all his fiascos.

00:13:04.660 Do you really think Trudeau would, even for a second,

00:13:08.560 actually take steps against the violent left now?

00:13:11.760 When he has a minority government and he's promised to phase out energy?

00:13:15.600 You really think so, eh?

00:13:17.220 I don't know.

00:13:18.040 Well, maybe the new pro-Western deputy prime minister

00:13:20.560 has something to say about that.

00:13:22.320 To Lena's question about decarbonization

00:13:26.580 as part of our economic plan going forward,

00:13:31.520 of course, it has to be part of it.

00:13:34.280 I think all Canadians understand

00:13:36.160 that the restart of our economy needs to be green.

00:13:41.680 Oh, right.

00:13:42.820 Yeah, look, I like Ian Anderson a lot.

00:13:45.440 Maybe he can ring a few billion more out of Trudeau

00:13:48.380 because he's really not going to get any help stopping the rioters, isn't he?

00:13:52.900 Stay with us for more.

00:14:05.900 I remember when I first heard of the Imperial College in London

00:14:10.400 and their epidemiological models

00:14:13.320 that said, if I can translate into plain English,

00:14:17.320 we're all going to die from COVID-19.

00:14:21.020 If anything, it's called the Imperial College.

00:14:23.220 It's got to be, well, authoritative.

00:14:25.900 That's what the word imperial and college both mean. 0.84

00:14:29.500 That Imperial College model was later found to be junk, 0.99

00:14:34.560 junk science cobbled together. 0.97

00:14:37.700 And the man who put it together himself admits it was flawed.

00:14:40.720 And yet that was replicated around the world,

00:14:45.580 including here in Canada.

00:14:47.020 Justin Trudeau and Teresa Tam predicted

00:14:48.840 between 50,000 and 350,000 dead under those same models.

00:14:54.820 Of course, the real number is about 9,000,

00:14:57.540 and most of those are in Quebec with their pro-euthanasia,

00:15:01.420 do not resuscitate laws in seniors' homes.

00:15:04.180 But how about Saskatchewan?

00:15:07.660 Not a lot of international travel to Saskatchewan,

00:15:11.200 so perhaps it wouldn't have as many communicable patients

00:15:15.140 bringing the virus in,

00:15:16.240 no direct flights from China, for example,

00:15:18.660 or Italy, two places that had the disease, or Iran.

00:15:22.540 Well, those same models predicted that Saskatchewan,

00:15:26.020 a province of slightly more than a million people,

00:15:27.920 would still have between 3,000 and 8,300 deaths,

00:15:34.900 even with lockdowns, 10,000 without lockdowns.

00:15:38.440 Well, what's the actual statistic?

00:15:41.540 24 deaths in Saskatchewan.

00:15:44.260 A single death is something to lament,

00:15:46.880 but we're all going to die one day.

00:15:49.380 The average age of the deceased from this virus in Canada

00:15:53.180 is in the mid-80s, higher, in fact, than life expectancy.

00:15:57.440 And I come to my point this way.

00:16:00.460 If Saskatchewan, one of the safest places in the country,

00:16:03.760 by any measure, especially by this virus measure,

00:16:07.800 is bringing in lockdown laws that persist to this day

00:16:12.140 based on flawed methodology, flawed models, and junk science,

00:16:18.200 can it be legally justified?

00:16:21.380 Especially if it's taking away your basic rights,

00:16:24.660 your freedom to associate,

00:16:26.900 your freedom to assemble, as they say.

00:16:30.560 Well, our friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom

00:16:33.540 have done a legal analysis on this question

00:16:36.360 for the friendly province of Saskatchewan.

00:16:39.580 And one of their crack lawyers who attended school

00:16:42.200 at the University of Saskatchewan College of Law,

00:16:45.240 Marty Moore, joins us now via Skype.

00:16:47.640 Marty, great to see you again.

00:16:48.720 I've got a question for you.

00:16:54.620 Saskatchewan's been one of the provinces in Canada

00:16:57.340 touched most lightly by this virus.

00:17:00.360 And look, of course, even a single death is a tragedy.

00:17:03.580 But the pandemic that was supposed to kill

00:17:06.780 up to 10,000 Saskatchewan people,

00:17:11.420 it's killed 24.

00:17:12.960 So why is the place still under lockdown?

00:17:17.120 That's an excellent question, Ezra.

00:17:18.960 And that's the question that the Justice Center

00:17:20.360 is asking as well.

00:17:21.800 And you touched on it rightly when you said,

00:17:25.260 can the government justify these lockdown measures,

00:17:28.020 not only the initially imposed lockdown measures,

00:17:30.980 but the continually imposed lockdown measures

00:17:34.580 that are going on to this day,

00:17:36.300 including in areas of Saskatchewan

00:17:37.760 where they haven't seen a single case.

00:17:40.060 And there's no current cases, not deaths,

00:17:42.860 no current cases whatsoever.

00:17:45.000 They're still under lockdown restrictions.

00:17:47.400 And as you know, governments in Canada

00:17:49.440 are required to justify these actions

00:17:51.760 when they restrict Canadians' charter freedoms.

00:17:54.320 And it's quite shocking to think

00:17:56.600 that a government in Saskatchewan

00:17:58.020 is continuing to maintain,

00:17:59.880 in many cases, very invasive measures

00:18:02.340 restricting people's freedoms

00:18:04.120 under a perceived and asserted,

00:18:07.460 you know, risk to health and safety,

00:18:10.020 which quite frankly, can't be justified

00:18:12.540 in the circumstances that Saskatchewan is looking at.

00:18:15.760 Yeah.

00:18:16.140 You know, early in this pandemic,

00:18:17.480 we went through some of Canada's

00:18:19.080 emergency powers laws

00:18:21.020 with Sam Goldstein,

00:18:22.480 a bencher here in the Law Society of Ontario.

00:18:25.560 We went through the federal laws.

00:18:27.680 And what was interesting to me

00:18:28.740 is they were all time limited.

00:18:30.700 You know, an emergency by nature

00:18:32.980 is not a permanent situation.

00:18:37.220 The idea of a permanent revolution,

00:18:39.180 a permanent emergency,

00:18:40.440 that's the kind of language

00:18:41.600 that communist revolutionaries use

00:18:44.340 to excuse their heavy-handedness.

00:18:46.700 All of our emergency laws have a time limit,

00:18:49.780 have fail-safes in them.

00:18:51.960 And you can understand,

00:18:53.280 a pandemic comes in,

00:18:54.720 the death toll starts rising,

00:18:56.180 people don't understand it,

00:18:57.180 people freak out.

00:18:57.820 They say, okay, for a short period of time,

00:19:00.600 15 days to flatten the curve,

00:19:02.580 two weeks to flatten the curve, they said.

00:19:05.360 We're past six months to flatten the curve now.

00:19:08.880 And we've learned a lot more.

00:19:10.380 We've learned that the models were wrong.

00:19:11.840 We've learned that young people 1.00

00:19:12.860 just don't get sick,

00:19:15.480 or if they get sick, it's very gentle.

00:19:17.000 We've learned a lot more.

00:19:18.720 But the underlying models

00:19:20.740 have not been updated, have they?

00:19:23.860 No.

00:19:24.380 In fact, in Saskatchewan,

00:19:25.680 as you pointed out,

00:19:26.600 you know, the lowest projected death total

00:19:29.200 in Saskatchewan was going to be 3,075.

00:19:33.740 And, you know, Saskatchewan government,

00:19:35.180 after a month or so,

00:19:36.620 recognized that that was wildly off.

00:19:38.720 So they revised that projection.

00:19:41.140 They said, with lockdown measures,

00:19:42.520 our new estimation is 3,050.

00:19:46.580 And to date, there's been 24 deaths.

00:19:49.420 But, you know, the tragedy here, Ezra,

00:19:51.160 is that when the government's gone

00:19:52.940 on this lockdown,

00:19:54.700 you know, imposition

00:19:57.900 on many Saskatchewan residents,

00:19:59.420 in line with, you know,

00:20:00.380 almost every other jurisdiction in the world,

00:20:02.580 there have been harm to the residents,

00:20:06.760 not from COVID in most cases,

00:20:09.380 but from the lockdown measures themselves.

00:20:11.060 And as we note in our report,

00:20:12.520 the tragic case of Aaron Ogden,

00:20:14.340 who, you know, in a knee-jerk reaction,

00:20:16.360 Saskatchewan government canceled surgeries

00:20:18.440 and medical diagnostic exams.

00:20:22.100 Aaron Ogden's life could have been saved.

00:20:24.220 He had a diagnostic exam scheduled for June.

00:20:27.120 It was canceled.

00:20:28.140 On August 15th, he died due to a blood clot

00:20:32.240 that would have been detected

00:20:33.640 in that medical exam that was canceled.

00:20:36.060 This is a measurable life that was lost

00:20:38.580 due to a government decision

00:20:40.760 based out of fear of overwhelming

00:20:43.520 the healthcare system

00:20:44.760 instead of actual scientific evidence

00:20:47.200 as what was actually happening

00:20:48.740 on the ground.

00:20:49.900 And these are the tragedies

00:20:51.360 that unfortunately,

00:20:52.700 these stories are going to continue to come out.

00:20:55.040 And this is why in Canada,

00:20:57.220 governments must be held to account

00:20:59.500 to justify measures that violate

00:21:02.380 Saskatchewan residents'

00:21:05.060 charter rights and freedoms.

00:21:06.080 And that includes

00:21:07.080 their charter rights to associate.

00:21:08.980 That includes their right

00:21:10.440 to go and receive the services

00:21:11.940 that are necessary for their health

00:21:13.960 and security of the person.

00:21:15.900 And, you know,

00:21:16.860 to see these measures continuing

00:21:18.480 in this environment

00:21:20.260 with what we know now,

00:21:22.040 as you pointed out,

00:21:23.780 you know,

00:21:24.300 Saskatchewan residents deserve an answer.

00:21:26.440 The charter requires

00:21:27.300 that the government have a pressing

00:21:29.020 and substantial objective

00:21:30.900 that would justify

00:21:32.720 any limitation on charter rights.

00:21:35.020 And at this point,

00:21:36.080 one might ask,

00:21:36.940 what is the government's objective

00:21:38.600 in continuing these lockdown measures?

00:21:40.400 Yeah.

00:21:41.060 You know,

00:21:41.600 you were using that language,

00:21:42.720 pressing and substantial.

00:21:44.220 I haven't practiced law

00:21:45.220 in more than a decade,

00:21:46.420 but I know that's the language

00:21:47.920 when the government

00:21:51.400 violates your rights.

00:21:54.080 The first step of challenging that

00:21:55.840 is to say to the court,

00:21:57.000 my rights have been violated

00:21:58.160 in these particular ways.

00:21:59.960 That's usually pretty easy to prove.

00:22:02.040 The heart of the debate

00:22:03.180 then happens in the next step,

00:22:04.720 which is,

00:22:05.140 can the government justify them

00:22:08.160 in a free and democratic society,

00:22:10.680 demonstrably justify them?

00:22:13.080 Can they prove,

00:22:14.320 hey, everybody,

00:22:15.260 we know we're violating your rights.

00:22:17.920 We know that.

00:22:18.860 We know that's not normal,

00:22:20.300 but here's how.

00:22:21.180 And then,

00:22:21.780 if I'm not mistaken,

00:22:22.680 the name of the legal test

00:22:24.020 that set this up

00:22:25.320 more than decades ago

00:22:27.020 was called the Oaks Test.

00:22:28.540 And it has to,

00:22:29.720 you know,

00:22:30.000 is the infringement

00:22:33.260 rationally connected

00:22:35.780 to the overarching goal?

00:22:37.740 Is it the least infringement possible?

00:22:40.980 Is it proportional?

00:22:42.340 There's all these,

00:22:43.220 the government can't just say,

00:22:45.060 oh,

00:22:45.720 24 people age 85 got sick.

00:22:49.360 We're shutting down schools.

00:22:51.540 Like,

00:22:51.680 is it rationally connected?

00:22:52.960 Is it proportionate?

00:22:54.600 I don't think this passes the legal test,

00:22:57.940 but I'm surprised

00:22:58.760 not a single person

00:22:59.860 has filed a lawsuit

00:23:00.800 in Saskatchewan yet

00:23:01.860 that I know of.

00:23:02.980 Are you aware of any lawsuit

00:23:04.680 in Saskatchewan

00:23:05.960 to push back against any of this?

00:23:08.500 To date,

00:23:09.300 I am not aware

00:23:10.240 of a lawsuit

00:23:11.820 that has been filed

00:23:12.660 in Saskatchewan.

00:23:13.760 Yeah, that's correct.

00:23:14.640 Well, you know,

00:23:15.060 it's the same across

00:23:16.100 the rest of the country.

00:23:16.920 Other than Rocco Galati's lawsuit

00:23:18.540 in Ontario,

00:23:20.120 I mean,

00:23:20.560 I don't know of a lawsuit

00:23:21.380 in most jurisdictions.

00:23:23.980 Around the world,

00:23:24.820 I don't know why people

00:23:25.600 are being so passive

00:23:26.500 and submissive here.

00:23:28.760 Yeah, and you're right to note

00:23:31.340 that, you know,

00:23:32.140 the government is required

00:23:33.340 to justify these lockdowns.

00:23:34.880 I mean,

00:23:35.040 there are lawsuits

00:23:35.720 that are ongoing.

00:23:36.600 We have a few pending in Ontario.

00:23:38.160 We have a number in Alberta

00:23:39.720 and others in the works.

00:23:42.200 The reality is,

00:23:43.300 is that,

00:23:44.420 you know,

00:23:45.140 in Saskatchewan,

00:23:45.960 for example,

00:23:46.380 right now,

00:23:46.980 there is,

00:23:47.600 you know,

00:23:47.800 both the democratic process

00:23:49.060 and the legal process.

00:23:50.180 Saskatchewan has an election

00:23:51.180 going on right now.

00:23:52.080 It's appropriate for people

00:23:53.800 to ask their elected representatives

00:23:56.440 to spell out,

00:23:58.140 can you justify this lockdown?

00:23:59.680 What is the goal?

00:24:00.820 Is it to keep the healthcare system

00:24:02.920 from being overwhelmed?

00:24:04.000 Because we're not seeing that.

00:24:06.040 And if you tell me a goal

00:24:07.540 and tell me why that is

00:24:08.640 minimally impairing,

00:24:10.200 no one is trying to say

00:24:11.620 we shouldn't protect the vulnerable.

00:24:13.360 But when your government lockdown measures

00:24:15.300 go beyond protecting the vulnerable

00:24:16.980 and start interfering

00:24:18.520 with no attempt

00:24:20.720 at being minimally impairing

00:24:22.100 or proportionate,

00:24:24.160 you know,

00:24:24.520 people deserve answers.

00:24:25.860 And if the government

00:24:27.040 does not provide those answers,

00:24:28.560 it can expect in due course.

00:24:30.340 And hopefully,

00:24:31.740 things can be ramped up

00:24:32.840 in that regard

00:24:33.380 to find itself answering

00:24:34.440 those questions in court

00:24:35.520 where potentially

00:24:37.700 that's where this should be headed.

00:24:39.300 Yeah.

00:24:39.880 Well,

00:24:40.340 we have an event

00:24:41.240 that was supposed to proceed

00:24:42.580 in May in Regina.

00:24:44.420 We sold over 1,600 tickets

00:24:45.780 to a speech by Dr. Patrick Moore.

00:24:47.240 It was postponed.

00:24:48.720 And I understand May was really,

00:24:50.960 the height of the pandemic

00:24:52.280 was mid-April.

00:24:53.400 There was no way

00:24:54.120 it was going to proceed in May.

00:24:55.320 We rescheduled it for September.

00:24:57.220 They haven't updated the rules.

00:24:58.900 There's this massive theater

00:25:00.260 in Regina

00:25:01.180 called the Connexus Arts Center.

00:25:02.960 It's got 2,300 seats.

00:25:04.820 You could frankly

00:25:05.580 social distance

00:25:07.160 in that massive facility

00:25:09.540 and still have more

00:25:10.100 than 1,000 people in the room.

00:25:13.040 That's not allowed.

00:25:14.320 There's a very small group of people

00:25:16.500 who can meet indoors

00:25:17.360 even in a gigantic facility like that

00:25:19.960 whereas airplanes,

00:25:21.520 you're sitting right next to a person

00:25:22.800 in a metal tube for hours.

00:25:24.540 And I'm not saying

00:25:25.100 lock down the planes.

00:25:25.940 I'm just saying

00:25:26.340 there's no rhyme or reason here.

00:25:27.900 There's no rationale here.

00:25:29.360 I think everyone's just afraid

00:25:30.880 of being the first to loosen up

00:25:33.940 because you'll be accused

00:25:35.280 of being a murderer

00:25:36.280 or something

00:25:37.360 when in fact,

00:25:37.940 the opposite is true.

00:25:38.940 by shutting down normal life,

00:25:41.500 you are statistically,

00:25:43.840 undoubtedly,

00:25:45.440 causing many more deaths

00:25:46.900 than whatever you claim

00:25:47.960 to be saving.

00:25:50.240 And you note,

00:25:51.700 you know,

00:25:52.000 the irrationality around

00:25:53.340 the measures.

00:25:54.100 I mean,

00:25:54.340 for example,

00:25:54.860 in the north,

00:25:55.680 they received some of the

00:25:57.740 harshest lockdown conditions

00:25:59.400 actually in the country

00:26:00.560 where they had conditions

00:26:02.460 and imposed lockdowns

00:26:04.080 that would prohibit

00:26:04.760 northern residents

00:26:05.980 from leaving the boundaries

00:26:07.540 of their town

00:26:08.520 except for very explicit

00:26:10.680 and exceptional circumstances.

00:26:12.900 And so if you were living

00:26:14.100 in Beauval, Saskatchewan,

00:26:15.380 for example,

00:26:16.120 you could not go out

00:26:17.600 on the lake

00:26:18.160 or go for a walk

00:26:19.180 in the forest

00:26:19.840 because that was prohibited

00:26:21.020 by an order

00:26:22.440 of their chief medical

00:26:23.740 health officer.

00:26:24.620 And those are the kind

00:26:25.780 of things that,

00:26:26.760 as you know,

00:26:27.660 some of these things

00:26:28.420 haven't been taken down.

00:26:29.580 I mean,

00:26:29.740 the northern health order was,

00:26:31.300 but the irrationality

00:26:32.620 of some of these measures

00:26:33.480 continues.

00:26:34.080 And things need

00:26:35.940 to be narrowly tailored.

00:26:36.900 If you can identify

00:26:37.760 a risk to health,

00:26:39.100 address that risk.

00:26:40.500 But if we're just going

00:26:41.440 to continue to impose

00:26:42.920 lockdown measures

00:26:43.920 without specific

00:26:45.600 and demonstrable goals

00:26:48.340 and results,

00:26:49.800 then they are not justified.

00:26:52.380 And the government

00:26:53.540 should be concerned

00:26:54.440 because it loses legitimacy

00:26:56.040 on everything

00:26:57.620 when it demonstrates

00:26:59.440 such incompetency

00:27:00.960 and irrationality

00:27:02.160 on this very specific

00:27:03.780 and important issue.

00:27:05.040 Yeah.

00:27:05.880 You're so right.

00:27:06.680 You know,

00:27:06.900 you remind me of

00:27:07.780 when Edmonton brought

00:27:08.740 in its mask bylaw.

00:27:10.980 They didn't even pretend

00:27:12.040 it was about science.

00:27:12.820 They said it was public opinion.

00:27:14.600 Well,

00:27:14.780 that's not exactly

00:27:15.760 a strong,

00:27:17.020 demonstrable justification

00:27:19.480 for taking away

00:27:20.480 someone's rights

00:27:21.500 because everyone wants it.

00:27:23.260 That's not a pressing

00:27:24.460 public priority.

00:27:25.880 I think that,

00:27:27.820 you know,

00:27:29.880 I'm personally affected

00:27:31.380 by this.

00:27:32.100 1,660 of my friends

00:27:34.120 were affected by this

00:27:35.380 because we're not

00:27:36.020 allowed to meet.

00:27:37.600 I tell you,

00:27:38.840 maybe this is a province

00:27:40.520 that needs some litigation.

00:27:41.900 I mean,

00:27:42.440 Saskatchewan is generally

00:27:43.540 a common sense place.

00:27:44.820 It's not a radical

00:27:45.800 left-wing place.

00:27:47.420 I think the judges

00:27:48.120 are probably fairly reasonable.

00:27:49.980 The population

00:27:50.720 is probably not easily scared.

00:27:53.020 It's not like Toronto.

00:27:53.900 I think that maybe

00:27:57.320 Saskatchewan ought

00:27:58.440 to be a place

00:27:59.200 where a legal challenge

00:28:01.680 is made.

00:28:02.320 And frankly,

00:28:03.380 maybe the rebel

00:28:04.040 is the organization

00:28:06.620 to do it

00:28:07.320 because we ourselves

00:28:08.420 have been affected there.

00:28:09.260 We have lots of supporters

00:28:10.260 in Saskatchewan.

00:28:11.620 And you know what?

00:28:12.340 And I got a question for you.

00:28:14.720 Marty,

00:28:15.280 do you think

00:28:15.760 that the government

00:28:16.500 would actually like

00:28:18.420 someone to put their feet

00:28:21.060 to the fire on this

00:28:21.900 so they have some

00:28:23.960 because every other force

00:28:25.660 in the media says

00:28:26.780 keep in panic mode,

00:28:29.400 stay in panic mode.

00:28:30.620 Oh my God,

00:28:31.100 we got three new cases.

00:28:32.780 It's an outbreak.

00:28:33.880 Do you think

00:28:34.220 having a legal challenge

00:28:36.840 to the law

00:28:37.400 would be something

00:28:37.960 welcomed

00:28:38.600 by the government

00:28:40.480 of Saskatchewan

00:28:41.320 who could finally

00:28:42.420 have some pressure

00:28:43.880 pulling them

00:28:44.400 the other way

00:28:45.040 because the CBC,

00:28:46.880 Post Media,

00:28:48.780 you know,

00:28:49.080 every pundit

00:28:49.760 is saying

00:28:50.140 keep the lockdown,

00:28:51.260 fight the second wave,

00:28:52.320 wear a mask,

00:28:53.340 be paranoid,

00:28:54.160 be afraid.

00:28:54.960 Do you think

00:28:55.340 the government

00:28:55.780 might actually like

00:28:57.000 someone saying

00:28:58.160 no, no, no, 0.99

00:28:58.780 that's junk science. 0.97

00:29:00.980 Don't go 0.98

00:29:02.060 paranoid Toronto

00:29:03.580 on everybody.

00:29:04.620 You're free people.

00:29:05.660 You're Saskatchewan people.

00:29:07.700 You've had almost

00:29:08.600 no deaths

00:29:09.360 and very few illnesses

00:29:10.500 from this.

00:29:12.240 Don't be crazy.

00:29:14.980 When a government

00:29:15.980 decides to,

00:29:17.340 you know,

00:29:18.140 enact measures

00:29:19.420 based on fear

00:29:21.000 rather than

00:29:22.320 the facts

00:29:22.880 of a situation,

00:29:24.540 it may very well

00:29:25.780 be time

00:29:26.380 to see court applications

00:29:29.620 bring the government

00:29:30.920 back to center.

00:29:32.260 And sadly,

00:29:33.860 the fear

00:29:34.560 that is being conjured

00:29:37.460 in many parts

00:29:38.740 of society,

00:29:39.520 unfortunately,

00:29:40.620 is a powerful

00:29:42.000 motivator

00:29:43.160 for many people.

00:29:43.880 but rationality

00:29:46.740 and facts

00:29:48.600 should prevail.

00:29:49.940 And if they're

00:29:50.300 not prevailing

00:29:51.100 in the public

00:29:52.740 decision-making process,

00:29:54.640 they better prevail

00:29:56.380 in a courtroom.

00:29:57.780 And, you know,

00:29:58.740 I can tell,

00:30:00.360 you know,

00:30:00.620 people,

00:30:01.100 not to speak

00:30:02.480 too far ahead

00:30:03.200 of myself,

00:30:03.980 but you can keep

00:30:05.300 posted on these issues

00:30:06.700 because court applications

00:30:08.560 may very well be coming.

00:30:10.160 All right.

00:30:10.920 Well, you get me excited.

00:30:11.960 I want to join in some

00:30:12.900 of that action, Marty.

00:30:16.620 What I would say

00:30:17.320 to people who are scared

00:30:18.320 is govern yourself.

00:30:20.860 You know,

00:30:21.000 you don't want to go outside?

00:30:21.920 Fine.

00:30:22.220 You want to sit in the corner

00:30:23.040 with the lights out?

00:30:23.760 Fine.

00:30:24.300 You want to hide

00:30:24.800 under your bed?

00:30:25.400 Fine.

00:30:25.660 I'm not going to tell you

00:30:26.400 how you live your life.

00:30:27.300 Just don't tell me

00:30:28.300 how to live mine.

00:30:28.880 You don't want to send 0.94

00:30:29.400 your kids to summer camp?

00:30:30.480 That's fine.

00:30:31.020 Don't stop me

00:30:31.540 from doing the same

00:30:32.140 over here.

00:30:32.740 You want to wear a mask?

00:30:33.720 If you're in your car,

00:30:35.640 windows up,

00:30:36.200 rolled up,

00:30:36.780 only person you want

00:30:37.780 to wear a mask,

00:30:38.440 you want to wear

00:30:38.840 some scuba gear.

00:30:40.200 You want to put on some scuba,

00:30:40.980 you want to wear

00:30:41.380 a full wetsuit.

00:30:42.740 You want to dress

00:30:43.440 like an astronaut.

00:30:44.780 Knock yourself out.

00:30:46.160 Just don't make me

00:30:47.420 do the same thing.

00:30:48.620 Marty,

00:30:49.000 I think I'm going to be

00:30:49.780 in touch with you

00:30:50.240 by telephone

00:30:50.800 because if there's

00:30:52.520 any legal action,

00:30:53.280 I think we might

00:30:53.780 want to be part of it.

00:30:55.780 All right.

00:30:56.360 Well,

00:30:56.680 happy to have

00:30:57.520 those conversations.

00:30:58.440 We have them with

00:30:59.000 thousands of Canadians

00:31:00.300 across the country

00:31:01.080 on a monthly basis.

00:31:03.740 There's a lot of people

00:31:05.120 that are starting

00:31:06.140 to realize

00:31:06.920 that these measures

00:31:08.480 are not justified

00:31:09.600 and people need

00:31:11.600 to push back.

00:31:12.260 And again,

00:31:12.560 I know that

00:31:13.560 as an individual

00:31:15.500 resident of Saskatchewan,

00:31:16.700 you have a right

00:31:17.320 to contact

00:31:17.960 your elected representatives

00:31:19.100 and if they are not

00:31:20.220 going to behave

00:31:20.860 rationally on this,

00:31:21.940 you can vote them

00:31:22.460 out of office.

00:31:23.820 Tough talk, Marty.

00:31:24.980 Great to see you.

00:31:25.760 All right.

00:31:26.080 Good luck to the JCCF.

00:31:27.780 We're huge fans of yours

00:31:29.600 all the time.

00:31:30.300 We always follow

00:31:30.800 what you do.

00:31:32.040 I'd encourage people

00:31:32.760 to go to JCCF.ca

00:31:34.360 to check out

00:31:35.080 all your activities

00:31:36.020 and to read

00:31:36.740 your legal opinion.

00:31:39.240 Thank you very much, Ezra.

00:31:40.440 Thanks, Marty.

00:31:41.220 All right, folks.

00:31:41.860 Stay with us.

00:31:42.320 Bye right now.

00:31:54.160 Hey, welcome back

00:31:54.880 on my monologue

00:31:55.420 on the Armed Forces

00:31:56.420 Propaganda Plan.

00:31:57.420 John writes,

00:31:59.200 Rosemary Barton

00:31:59.840 is the CBC's

00:32:00.620 Tokyo Rose.

00:32:02.880 Yeah, I mean,

00:32:04.160 I mentioned the other day

00:32:05.400 that CBC senior personnel

00:32:08.280 regard themselves,

00:32:09.460 they think of themselves

00:32:10.280 as bureaucrats

00:32:12.460 in the civil service,

00:32:13.300 like an assistant

00:32:14.760 deputy minister

00:32:15.500 or something.

00:32:16.640 Rosemary Barton

00:32:17.240 absolutely thinks

00:32:18.460 of herself

00:32:18.880 as an attache

00:32:20.180 to the government,

00:32:20.800 maybe even

00:32:21.160 an honorary cabinet minister.

00:32:22.940 She's not

00:32:23.240 an independent journalist.

00:32:24.100 It is completely reasonable

00:32:26.620 based on that

00:32:27.900 PSYOPs document

00:32:28.940 to think that

00:32:29.960 the Canadian military

00:32:30.900 works with the CBC

00:32:31.960 to propagandize

00:32:33.500 on behalf of Trudeau.

00:32:34.540 It was all in writing.

00:32:37.100 Doug writes,

00:32:38.440 please,

00:32:38.840 my fellow Canadians,

00:32:39.700 let us unite

00:32:40.220 to remove this 0.99

00:32:40.740 inept and extremely 1.00

00:32:41.800 corrupt 0.91

00:32:42.340 government ASAP.

00:32:45.020 Well,

00:32:45.640 I think you might

00:32:46.300 get your wish.

00:32:47.060 I am increasingly

00:32:48.180 thinking

00:32:48.680 there will be

00:32:49.720 an election

00:32:50.180 before the end

00:32:50.960 of the year.

00:32:52.720 On my interview

00:32:53.440 with Joel Pollack,

00:32:54.160 Greg writes,

00:32:55.160 God bless and protect

00:32:55.900 President Trump.

00:32:56.600 He made this possible

00:32:57.440 and deserves

00:32:58.080 at least one

00:32:58.740 Nobel Prize

00:32:59.480 of the two nominations

00:33:00.700 he's received

00:33:01.380 so far.

00:33:01.880 Beautiful.

00:33:02.640 Yeah,

00:33:02.840 I just can't believe

00:33:03.960 the warmth

00:33:04.960 of this piece.

00:33:05.820 First of all,

00:33:06.460 it's peace for peace,

00:33:07.660 not peace for money

00:33:08.920 or peace for land.

00:33:10.740 It's peace for peace.

00:33:11.760 That's the only kind

00:33:12.400 of peace that's

00:33:12.900 sustainable.

00:33:14.100 And to see

00:33:14.540 the leaders

00:33:15.040 of these Muslim countries

00:33:16.080 embrace the Jewish

00:33:17.360 Torah scrolls

00:33:18.400 and be so friendly

00:33:20.360 religiously

00:33:21.300 when we've had

00:33:21.960 centuries of hate,

00:33:23.440 that's incredible

00:33:24.300 to behold.

00:33:25.000 I like what Joel

00:33:26.040 emphasized.

00:33:26.960 These are called

00:33:27.380 the Abraham Accords,

00:33:29.060 a reminder

00:33:29.740 that Jews,

00:33:30.600 Christians,

00:33:30.980 and Muslims

00:33:31.420 come from

00:33:32.240 the same patriarch.

00:33:33.460 I think that's

00:33:33.860 a powerful way

00:33:34.440 to have framed it.

00:33:35.100 I find it

00:33:35.620 very encouraging.

00:33:36.720 Maybe I'm too

00:33:37.400 gullible

00:33:38.340 or utopian

00:33:39.180 or idealistic,

00:33:40.360 but it looks

00:33:40.980 realer than anything

00:33:42.220 else we've seen

00:33:42.940 in years.

00:33:44.360 That's the show

00:33:44.980 for today.

00:33:45.400 Until tomorrow,

00:33:46.240 on behalf of all

00:33:46.940 of us here

00:33:47.260 at Rebel World

00:33:47.760 Headquarters

00:33:48.180 to you at home,

00:33:48.760 good night,

00:33:49.500 and keep fighting

00:33:50.080 for freedom.

00:33:50.520 We'll see you next time.

00:33:52.760 Thank you.

00:33:53.080 We'll see you next time.

00:33:54.060 You've been

00:34:02.620 following you.

00:34:03.500 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - September 17, 2020

Trans Mountain pipeline builder says he’ll take action as protesters block construction. Is that true？

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