Trudeau all but calls Jody Wilson-Raybould a liar. How is this fight going to end？
Summary
Justin Trudeau is slowly turning more aggressive and hostile towards Jody Wilson-Raybould, the former attorney general who was fired for opposing Trudeau s desire to go lenient on a criminal company called SNC-Lavalin that was caught paying $48 million in bribes to the Gaddafi regime.
Transcript
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Hello, my rebels. You're listening to a free audio-only recording of my show, The Ezra LeVant Show.
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Today we look at how Justin Trudeau is slowly turning more aggressive and hostile towards Jody Wilson-Raybould,
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the former attorney general who was fired for opposing Trudeau's desire to go lenient on a criminal company called SNC-Lavalin
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that was caught paying $48 million worth of bribes to the Gaddafi regime. What a story that is.
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I'll show you how the worm is turning, how Trudeau is marshalling his side and starting to demonize Wilson-Raybould.
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You've been the judge of that. And you got to see the interview with Kian Bextie today.
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We talked about a pretty big scandal in Alberta that he's uncovered, so that's all ahead.
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Tonight, Justin Trudeau all but calls Jody Wilson-Raybould a liar.
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It's February 13th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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I know we've talked a lot about it, but I think we have to.
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That explosive Globe and Mail story about Jody Wilson-Raybould being fired as justice minister
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because she wouldn't drop the criminal charges against a well-connected Quebec engineering firm that was caught paying bribes.
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The corruption was in Libya, land of desert mystery.
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The personalities are absurd and larger than life.
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I mean, Muammar Gaddafi was as kooky as they got.
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The engineering firm SNC-Lavalin for a Canadian company sure knew how to play in the big leagues.
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I mean, you could make a Hollywood thriller out of this.
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And imagine casting an aboriginal woman, first in her family ever to go to law school.
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Imagine casting her as the only ethical one in the whole story,
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potentially bringing down not only the corrupt company,
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but also the little clique of elitist college frat boys orbiting around the prime minister, Justin Trudeau.
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I mean, Julia Roberts starred in that old movie, The Pelican Brief.
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It was an exciting story, but it's not as exciting as this.
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Exciting if it were a work of fiction, but it's real.
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So it's depressing because we are the ones living in a real country that is really being corrupted
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by connected liberal insiders and their ethically malleable buddies in Ottawa.
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So what's so interesting is that the media really, I think,
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probably because she's a heartwarming success story,
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an aboriginal woman who becomes a lawyer and then becomes a justice minister.
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But I hear she's actually a nice person in person.
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She seems to have made friends, at least in political liberal circles.
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And Trudeau certainly promoted her personality.
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When she was in his good books, he said she was a symbol of him and what he believed.
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So it's not very easy for him to throw her under the bus now.
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And she's an aboriginal woman, first aboriginal justice minister in history.
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He's not, I mean, she's not some pampered rich white guy like Scott Bryson,
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the disgraced cabinet minister who was unpersoned a few weeks ago without much fuss.
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But mainly Jody Wilson-Raybould isn't cooperating anymore.
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As we told you yesterday, she's lawyered up with no one less than a former Supreme Court judge as a lawyer.
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Well, yesterday, Justin Trudeau started fighting back for real.
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He started, well, let's be honest, he started calling her a liar.
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Last night, I accepted Jody Wilson-Raybould's resignation from cabinet.
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Frankly, I am both surprised and disappointed by her decision to step down.
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He can't believe he's saying these things, that she's saying these things about him, or her allies are at least, to reporters.
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You know, Trudeau is often disappointed in other people, isn't he?
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What a disappointment Jody Wilson-Raybould is to him.
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I mean, first woman Aboriginal justice minister in history, compared to him inheriting everything, being a spoiled trust fund rich kid,
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until he finally decided it was time to grow up and rule over us at age 40.
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Yeah, that spoiled brat on the million-dollar Mercedes Roadster there, he's disappointed in Jody Wilson-Raybould.
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This resignation is not consistent with conversations I had with Jody a few weeks ago,
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when I asked her to serve as Canada's Minister for Veterans Affairs and Associate Minister of National Defense,
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nor is it consistent with the conversations we've had lately.
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And he was going to throw her under a bus, as they say.
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In regards to the matter of SNC-Lavalin, let me be direct.
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The government of Canada did its job, and to the clear public standards expected of it.
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If anyone felt differently, they had an obligation to raise that with me.
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Everyone else at that press conference was called by their title, Mayor Bowman.
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But not the first Aboriginal Attorney General in the history.
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She's just some silly girl who got in over her head, probably promoted too fast, couldn't keep up,
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What a shame that Jody couldn't fit in with the boys.
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Jody's what you call a girl, not a woman, not the first Justice Minister who's Aboriginal.
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And by the way, just in case you didn't know, Justin Trudeau has checked, and Justin Trudeau
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Just in case you want to know, Justin Trudeau has always looked into things, and the government
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Literally dozens, more than half a hundred meetings between SNC-Lavalin and everyone that
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A dozen meetings in the Prime Minister's office itself, and hey guys, no one complained.
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I mean, sure, they're all Montreal liberals, they're all in on the take, they all know
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So absolutely, I mean, Justin Trudeau says it, so you know it's true.
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The government made decisions and had things to say about criminal cases, but no one complained.
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Governments don't decide what crimes are prosecuted and what are not in Canada.
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That's for prosecutors to decide independently.
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We don't prosecute or don't prosecute people based on political lobbying.
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This morning, I convened a cabinet meeting to inform my colleagues of Jody's departure.
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Minister Sajjan has immediately taken over Jody's responsibilities as Acting Minister of Veterans Affairs.
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We are as committed as ever to ensuring that Canada's veterans receive the care and support
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I know that Minister Sajjan will serve our women and men in uniform and our veterans with dedication.
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Silly little Jody, a grown-up will take over, and his name is Minister Sajjan.
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He's got a pretty bad case of what they call stolen valor.
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He took credit for battle plans that he had no role in or a minuscule role, but look, that
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I mean, look, Sajjan, excuse me, Minister Sajjan, he knows who's boss.
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First of all, why are we still fighting against certain veterans groups in court?
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Because they're asking for more than we are able to give right now.
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Here's some more from our great leader yesterday.
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Would you like to get a full airing of this before it goes any further?
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I've heard those calls and take them very seriously, and that's why I've asked our current
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Minister of Justice and Attorney General to make recommendations to me on the question
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I will highlight, however, that there's a real danger, and it's been flagged for me, of unintended
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consequences, particularly because there are two court cases ongoing directly related to
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this matter that could be impacted by such a decision we might make.
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I will highlight once again that I am surprised and disappointed and, to be honest, don't entirely
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understand why Jody Wilson-Raybould made the decision she did.
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He's not going to do it, in case you don't know.
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He's not going to waive solicitor-client privilege.
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He's not going to let her answer his challenges because he doesn't want to let her speak.
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So little Jody, you know, we can't trust her to say the right things anymore.
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Now, Stephen Harper, by contrast, waived his legal privilege when there were legal matters
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Not only did Harper waive privilege, but he sent his various chiefs of staff, as you can
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see here, to testify before parliamentary committee openly when they were asked to.
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You can see his chiefs here, Ian Brody, Nigel Wright, Guy Giorno.
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Do you think he'd let Gerald Butts go and answer questions about his 12 meetings with SNC
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By this point in the Mike Duffy affair, by the way, Chief of Staff Nigel Wright had
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Just to remind you, Mike Duffy, the senator, was being scrutinized for about 90 grand worth
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The question was, did he really live in Prince Edward, Rhode Island, or did he live in Ottawa?
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Because that affected how much of his travel and housing in each city would be paid for
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Nigel Wright, the Chief of Staff, was frustrated with his quarrel.
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He thought it was a waste of time over nothing.
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So he literally reached into his own pocket as an independently wealthy man and cut a check
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from his own account to the government just to repay the expenses, just to end the ethical
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That was the big scandal of Harper's nine and a half years as prime minister.
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A chief of staff paying money into the government to repay questionable expenses.
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The second biggest scandal, of course, was a $16 bottle of orange juice.
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And here we're talking about 50-plus lobbying meetings to let criminals off the hook for
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$48 million worth of bribes in a third world country.
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If anyone, particularly the Attorney General, felt that we were not doing our job fully responsibly
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and according to all the rules as a government, it was her responsibility to come forward to
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me this past fall and highlight that directly to me.
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And that's why I continue to be puzzled and obviously disappointed by her decision to step
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Because she didn't say he was doing things wrong, so he didn't.
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Here's the CBC making the case that, really, I think Trudeau is the victim here, isn't he?
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And even though Bob Fyfe and Steve Chase and Sean Fine, the three Globe and Mail reporters
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who broke the story, while they're still interested in the story, you know, other members of the
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Globe and Mail think it's, you know, they're probably overdoing it a bit.
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There's nothing sinister in wanting to spare SNC-Lavalin.
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I mean, can't the Globe and Mail itself go back to the good old days, like way back in
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December when they ran this as the cover story in the report on Business Magazine?
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That's the president of SNC-Lavalin looking there.
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Here, listen to some of these liberal MPs in Parliament today.
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There was a committee meeting to look into this.
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They hate Jody Wilson-Raybould because she wasn't willing to be bought off with little
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I think it is clear, Mr. Chair, that there was concern among Canadians in terms of how we
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And I also think it's clear that the prime minister has been very clear in his interactions.
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And I think the Justice responsibility, the Justice Committee, has a responsibility to
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Really, I hope that my colleagues across the way will support this motion, which is really
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a non-partisan version of the motion that the Conservatives have proposed.
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It is really the bare bones and substance of what everybody around the table and all of
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Canada really wants is that clarification as to the role between how government functions
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I think today's testimony or comments from particularly the Conservative opposition demonstrate
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that at best, committees of the House of Commons are political theatre that can occasionally
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achieve good studies and that we don't have the tools, we don't have the budget, we don't
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have the mechanisms to go through the fishing expedition and the kind of witch hunt that
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I don't think that we should be changing the way in which we conduct ourselves just because
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I think that we need to have that impartial discussion.
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And my fear is that if the cameras are on, my colleagues across the way will not be able
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And that's why I don't support the amendments as proposed by Mr. Cullen.
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But to vote against what I think most Canadians would see as a pretty reasonable amendment.
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If you're open to hearing from Ms. Wilson-Raybould, then vote for it.
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If you're open to hearing from Mr. Butts, then vote for it as well as Mr. Bouchard.
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And those actions will speak louder than your words.
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Mr. Clerk will proceed with the vote on the amendments.
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So, the question is on the amendment of Mr. Cullen.
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I don't know if you understood what was going on there.
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Other than Nathan Cullen, the bald gentleman from B.C. who's a New Democrat, those were all
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liberals explaining why they cannot have a public inquiry, even the toothless inquiry
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I showed you pictures of Ian Brody, Guy Giorno, Nigel Wright appearing before committee.
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I'm not even talking about a police investigation.
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I'm not even talking about subpoenas, let alone search warrants or wiretaps, as you normally
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The liberals voted unanimously today to block a public inquiry by the weakest of all inquirers,
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The same way he's gagging little Jody by keeping her under solicitor-client privilege.
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I see a couple of genuine friends and allies are sticking with Ms. Wilson-Raybould.
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Here's another cabinet minister retweeting an old photo of herself and Wilson-Raybould.
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I don't think that went over well in the PMO today, but they have enough fires to fight.
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The CBC and the Globe and Mail itself are already falling into line.
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I predict this will be forgotten long before the next election.
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The only thing that might change things is if the RCMP decides to file charges.
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But the police achieved their real goal, getting rid of Stephen Harper.
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The RCMP today is now run by Trudeau's hand-picked commissioner, that woman there on the left.
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I wonder, is she loyal to the politician who just made her career?
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Or is she loyal to the law and to another woman who was chewed up and spat out by Trudeau
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Well, bombshell report out of Alberta by our Calgary reporter, Kian Bexty.
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As you may recall, a few months back, Rachel Notley said she had investigated two of her
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own NDP MLAs for sexual misconduct that she found after an internal investigation, that
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there was room for these two MLAs to have education and direction or training.
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But she refused to identify who those two people were.
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All we learned is that it involved things not at the workplace.
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Well, that was very curious, even more curious, that Rachel Notley would not tell voters who
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Don't you think that's something that's in the public interest?
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Isn't that something that a voter ought to know about before a vote?
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Well, our Kian Bexty got a tip about who one of these MLAs was, and he started to do research,
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And joining us now via Skype from Calgary is Kian Bexty.
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Kian, great to see you, and congratulations on a blockbuster.
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The MLAs in question will not answer your direct question about it.
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But tell us who you suspect these two MLAs are and what the basis is for your report today.
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Well, I'll start with the basis of what the report is.
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And we ended up going through Darren Billis' divorce proceedings, which normally isn't something
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But through information that was available to reporters sanctioned by the Court of the
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Queen's Bench in Alberta, which includes me, we were able to gain access to these documents.
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And it uncovered a whole swath of things that I think Rachel Notley wanted to keep quiet.
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And that might have contributed to her wanting to keep everyone anonymous.
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Because keep in mind, Darren Billis is one of her chief lieutenants.
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He's the Minister of Economic Diversification and Trade, and this is extremely embarrassing
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In these court documents, not only did we find he cheated on his wife, we're not sure exactly
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who he cheated on his wife with after marriage, but prior to getting married to his longtime
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girlfriend, he ended up having a relationship with MLA-to-be Heather Sweet, who ended up becoming
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chair of the government caucus in charge of a whole lot of human resource issues, which
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There's a lot of questions that this raised, but also Darren Billis' own wife accuses him
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So there certainly is some concerning things here, and definitely it's in the public interest.
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Normally, I wouldn't want to comment on someone's private divorce.
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But when things come up, like drug addiction and an abuse of taxpayer resources, if you
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watch my former video, he had Minister Sandra Janssen's chief of staff come cover for him
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in divorce court one day, which is just bizarre.
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So there's a lot of things that were brought up with me going through these divorce files,
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and I think it goes to show exactly why Rachel Notley wanted to keep these NDP MLAs anonymous.
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Yeah, I reviewed some of the documents that you got from the court, and there were a lot
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of things in there that were strictly of a personal or private nature that you and I decided we
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They just are not relevant to voters, their personal matters.
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And everyone, including Rachel Notley, including Justin Trudeau, has some sphere of their life
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If Darren Billis' wife swears an affidavit, that means she's saying on pain of perjury,
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And I think we have an excerpt from that affidavit here where she says that Darren Billis spent
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copious amounts of money on these addictions, saying that he has a lifestyle engulfed in a
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And again, we don't know if this is a true statement, if this is an exaggeration, if this
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You telephoned Mrs. Billis, and you sent her an email, and she didn't deny the question.
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But you put these questions to everyone involved here.
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Did anyone deny the facts that you put to them?
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Actually, I just got back from a press conference.
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Coincidentally, Rachel Notley had Minister Billis in Calgary today.
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I went and joined that press conference and asked her a blunt question to either confirm
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or deny if Darren Billis has a drug problem, and if Darren Billis is, in fact, one of the
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MLAs in question that she kept anonymous back in November.
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And all she did was insult the news organization that I work for, say that my question was
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irresponsible, and that she wasn't going to answer it.
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You know, for those viewers who might be saying, oh, I don't like you talking about someone's
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Well, the media's standard, I think, was set with Rob Ford, the late mayor of Toronto.
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And I think it's legitimate if a mayor is doing drugs.
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I think that's, especially illegal drugs, especially consorting with, like, where do
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I mean, I guess marijuana's legal now, but these allegations predate the legalization
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And Darren Billis or Rachel Notley could say, no, he's not a drug addict.
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You've put it to them in writing, both Billis and the Premier's office.
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You also raised something, you just alluded to it there.
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This should be a private matter between Darren Billis and his estranged wife.
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But Sandra Jansen's chief of staff, Heather Mack, was sent by the NDP government, that's
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Heather Mack there, was sent by the NDP government to the divorce court.
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Why would government staff on government time go to someone's divorce?
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I mean, maybe to help, to intimidate, to report back, to do damage control.
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And the fact that the NDP is covering it up adds to the weirdness.
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Yeah, I like to think that the work we do is important.
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And I certainly hope that the mainstream media and even the United Conservative Party picks
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Because when you have a minister of the crown, especially someone as high up as Darren Billis,
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abusing drugs and alcohol, if that is in fact the case, it really calls into question
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For example, they just invested millions of dollars in artificial intelligence technology
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They're using taxpayer resources to run their campaign, really.
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But if we have a minister of the crown who we don't know what kind of drugs he's taking,
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it's really concerning and is of crucial public interest to figure out what that is and how
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long that has been happening and to what degree his involvement with drugs is.
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Yeah, and by the way, having problems in life is not necessarily a disqualifier for having
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Seamus O'Regan, the former Veterans Affairs Minister, admitted to being an alcoholic and
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But I mean, John McCallum, who was recently sacked as ambassador to China, he wasn't sacked
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So you can overcome a drug and alcohol addiction.
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You should probably take a break from public life while you're doing it.
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That certainly was the lesson we all heard when Rob Ford was there.
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These allegations weren't by some nobody on the street.
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They were sworn affidavits, filed on pain of perjury by his wife to the court.
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And I suppose we have to take everything with a grain of salt in a family law setting that
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But for the media party to ignore this, and for Darren Billis and Rachel Notley to ignore
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You mentioned this press conference that you were at today.
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I'd like to show a quick clip of you putting the question to Notley and Billis.
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Premier Rachel Notley, documents filed by Minister Billis' wife, sworn affidavits, suggest that
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he has a problem with drug addiction, as well as suggest, the details in that sworn affidavit
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suggest that he might be one of the MLAs who the NDP caucus covered up in terms of sexual
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What I can say is that that question is essentially irresponsible, rumour-mongering, and with the
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greatest of respect to you, you work for an organisation that probably ought to be registered
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as a third party under the elections legislation.
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It is a shocking allegation, but it was made under oath by his wife.
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I mean, I suppose his wife could be saying the rumour.
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If it wasn't true, I suppose they could say it.
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I don't think their answer was sufficient, and I don't think that their response to me
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in saying that my question is irresponsible reflects on the question at all.
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I think it is a question that is what journalists should ask.
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They should ask the tough questions, the questions that the NDP might make the NDP and Premier Rachel
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But Albertans deserve answers to these questions, and we're just not getting them.
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Yeah, I think that it reminded me, and I told you this earlier today, it reminded me of
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when you went to Omar Khadr's press conference.
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You used the word terrorist, and I saw the face of his lawyer, who was literally shocked.
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He had never had a journalist in Canada ever say the word terrorist about Omar Khadr, because
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they're all too polite, and they don't want Omar Khadr's feelings hurt.
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And it was just like a splash of cold water that someone actually asked him a tough question.
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And here you've got the media party that's used just to being stenographers for Rachel Notley.
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We saw that a few weeks ago with their unskeptical, incurious reportage of her bogus upgrader announcement.
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I think that your report, which is well-documented, and you can find it on our website, I recommend
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I think that not a single media party journalist will follow your story, even though it's meticulously researched.
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I don't think a single journalist is going to follow it, because number one, they don't want to follow the rebel.
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And number two, they don't want to be mean to Rachel Notley or Darren Billis.
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And the fact that there's a spurned wife who didn't have spousal support paid, who was treated poorly,
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who was cheated on by an alleged drug-using minister, well, that's less important than supporting the NDP.
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And keep asking the questions that the mainstream media won't.
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And the fact that they had nothing to say to you other than they don't like you,
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I think that we know there are two MLAs who were investigated for sexual misconduct.
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And we know that Rachel Notley is keeping them a secret.
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We know that Mrs. Billis has alleged affairs with her husband, between her husband and another MLA.
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I don't think it's an irresponsible question at all.
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I think that Rachel Notley has made it an issue by covering it up when she herself investigated it.
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Hey, welcome back on the show yesterday about the SSC-Lavalin scandal and Jody Wilson-Raybould resigning from cabinet.
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Let's not let Trudeau off the hook, no matter how much the CBC and the Bothoff-MSM run cover for him.
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You must believe the whole Laurentian elite are gearing up to try to desperately discredit her in any way they can.
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I don't even know anyone who knows her closely.
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But I think, I just think she's a pretty straight arrow.
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She seems like an ideologue and a real liberal and even a lefty on some matters.
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Obviously, she has a lot of strong views on aboriginal issues.
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But I don't think she's, I just don't think she's corrupt.
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You know, I don't think she, I mean, the very fact that she actually quit cabinet on a point of principle,
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I think that shows you that she's a little bit different than most creatures in Ottawa.
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I think the demonization will be just to say, well, what Trudeau did today is,
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I don't know what all this, you were fine in cabinet before.
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Why are you acting so high and mighty now, little Jody?
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Doug writes, throughout the scandal, I expected many of the low information Canadian electorate
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to rush to make a hero of Wilson-Raybould for taking what they perceived to be a principal stance
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on the SNC-Lavalin file and defines the prime minister.
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Well, I think it's insane that we have a system that was allowing a company
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that paid 48 million bucks in bribes, that's under criminal prosecution.
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I think it's insane that you can lobby your way out of a crime.
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I don't know why you think it's surprising that I would be for letting prosecutors
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And if they think that it's appropriate to cut a plea bargain,
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I'm not a fan of plea bargains, but if the prosecution, in their own minds,
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says, well, our case is weak or there's a problem, let's cut a deal, fine.
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But to have more than 50 private meetings with politicians to get criminal charges dropped?
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You thought I would be on the side of SNC-Lavalin?
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You thought I would be on the side of the lobbyists?
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I don't know why you think I would be that way.
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I mean, if you think I suddenly agree with everything that Jody Wilson-Raybould stands for,
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ideologically and politically, I can assure you that I do not.
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I think I don't understand all of her points of view on aboriginal title,
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I'm talking about she's the first person in three years to actually resign on principle
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Glenn writes, I hate to say it, but I doubt that this will sway many liberal supporters.
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I mean, and of course, I think you mean voters.
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Of course, Trudeau's support base is the media.
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And we saw the media nonstop go after Harper for a $16 bottle of orange juice from Bev Oda
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We saw the Mike Duffy nothing burger of a trial.
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The fact that this, I mean, this has been a live story for about a week.
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I don't expect it to have the year-long lifespan that Mike Duffy's stuff did.
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So yeah, I think not only is Trudeau's main base and the media going to grow tired of it
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very soon, and some of them are already turning against Wilson-Raybould,
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but I think your average low-info voter out there just thinks Trudeau's still dreamy.
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And yeah, it's too bad that he threw overboard the first aboriginal woman justice minister
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in Canadian history, but you know, got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet.
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I'm going to try and mix it up tomorrow unless, who knows, maybe there's a bombshell
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on this story again tomorrow, but I want to talk about other things.
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There's a lot of other news out there, and I have one story in my mind.
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You know what, I'm nervous when you look into a divorce,
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divorce, files, personal stuff, it's irrelevant, but a credible sworn affidavit by a man's wife
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saying he's a drug addict, and that person is a senior cabinet minister,
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at the very least, he himself should go on the record and say, not true.
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He did not do that when Kian Bexty put the question to him.
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The fact that Rachel Notley had an investigation into sexual misconduct of two MLAs,
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and we put that to them today, Kian did, and they wouldn't affirm or deny it.
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He says, we've got a real story here, folks, so keep watching that one.
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Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,