Rebel News Podcast - Trudeau appoints convicted criminal to censor Internet freedom

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I got two things I'm covering in today's podcast.

00:00:03.280 One is a crazy video of lockdown extremism in Spain.

00:00:09.360 And also, the UK goes really far backwards.

00:00:12.620 Oh, my God, I've got a story for you there.

00:00:14.400 And then I pivot somehow to topic number two,

00:00:17.800 which is Justin Trudeau and Stephen Gilbeau coming to censor the Internet.

00:00:21.240 Again, we'll show you the tape.

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00:00:53.800 All right, here's today's show.

00:00:59.060 You're listening to a Rebel News Podcast.

00:01:09.740 Tonight, Justin Trudeau appoints a convicted criminal to censor your Internet freedom.

00:01:15.740 I wish I were kidding.

00:01:17.000 It's September 10th, and this is the As for the Vance Show.

00:01:19.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:24.820 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:28.880 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:34.760 I'm going to tell you in a moment about how Justin Trudeau is finally making a move

00:01:44.620 to regulate and perhaps snuff out voices he doesn't like on the Internet,

00:01:50.140 totally control the Internet.

00:01:52.540 It was only a matter of time.

00:01:53.620 He controls TV and radio stations in Canada through the CRTC regulator.

00:01:58.160 He controls newspapers through the massive bailout that basically rents every journalist in the country.

00:02:05.160 And the journalist he can't control, he tries to ban,

00:02:08.120 like banning Rebel News and True North from the election debates in his morning scrums.

00:02:14.220 Trudeau's a control freak.

00:02:15.380 He already controls 99% of the news media,

00:02:17.760 but that last 1% is what keeps him up at night.

00:02:20.720 He rages against the last 1%.

00:02:22.900 And of course, as people abandon the unwatchable vanilla news that he regulates

00:02:29.000 and flee to online content of their own choice,

00:02:33.120 whether it's CNN or Fox News or just any website in the world that's interesting,

00:02:38.720 well, now, no surprise, Trudeau's making a move to censor them.

00:02:42.120 Why wouldn't he?

00:02:43.100 Who's going to stop him?

00:02:44.220 The media?

00:02:45.380 The opposition?

00:02:46.020 We'll see if Aaron O'Toole says a peep about it.

00:02:48.620 If he's opposed to Trudeau's regulations of social media,

00:02:51.400 he forgot to mention it when Trudeau introduced a raft of new measures last year

00:02:55.580 that were warmly supported by the Conservative Party under Andrew Scheer.

00:02:59.080 But hopefully that doesn't reflect Aaron O'Toole's view.

00:03:01.820 We'll see.

00:03:03.380 I'll tell you about that today.

00:03:05.480 And I'll interview my dear friend Andrew Lawton,

00:03:08.000 who's been studying Stephen Gilboa, the Heritage Minister,

00:03:11.360 and other attempts to regulate the Internet for years.

00:03:14.920 But first, I simply have to switch gears, switch subjects.

00:03:17.440 I'm going to show you a shocking video out of Spain,

00:03:19.380 completely unrelated to the topic today.

00:03:21.080 I just got to show this to you.

00:03:23.460 Apparently, it's a 14-year-old boy arrested, indeed attacked, by a policeman.

00:03:29.340 Was he a criminal?

00:03:30.900 No, no, no.

00:03:32.520 He was just wearing his mask wrong.

00:03:35.700 He was wearing a mask, but not properly, you see.

00:03:39.400 Now, there really is no proper way to wear a mask.

00:03:41.380 We're not talking about airtight N95 masks,

00:03:44.760 you know the sort that a painter, or a sandblaster, or people in a sawmill wear,

00:03:50.440 real people who were deadly serious about filtering out tiny particles of dust that would hurt their lungs.

00:03:56.280 A miner.

00:03:57.660 Those people are pretty serious about their masks,

00:03:59.700 but the vast majority of masks that people around the world are being told to wear now

00:04:03.420 are flimsy little masks that absolutely don't seal to your face.

00:04:08.240 The air comes from the sides and the top and the bottom,

00:04:10.560 and you know this because your glasses steam up when you wear them.

00:04:14.200 I don't know what these flimsy masks are supposed to do.

00:04:17.660 I think they're just a political statement.

00:04:19.460 They're not stopping viruses that are microscopic and pass through the mask.

00:04:24.100 Teresa Tam, who's still doing endless press conferences, can you believe it? 0.79

00:04:28.160 She has to fill time saying something.

00:04:30.680 So one day she came up with this doozy on what to do with masks.

00:04:34.300 She thinks she's got it figured out. 0.92

00:04:39.000 Wear them when you're having sex? 1.00

00:04:41.600 Yeah, don't foist your bizarre fetish on me, you junk science quack perv. 1.00

00:04:48.360 That's not science. 0.99

00:04:49.920 That's not public policy.

00:04:51.060 That's just someone who enjoys the sound of their own voice

00:04:54.240 and the fawning coverage of the media that's bought and paid for

00:04:57.940 and wants just to talk sexy or something.

00:05:01.140 Oh my God, yeah.

00:05:03.160 Anyways, imagine a policeman actually attacking a child for wearing such a joke mask.

00:05:07.780 Just not wearing it properly, according to the doctor policeman.

00:05:10.840 Take a look.

00:05:11.880 Grabalo.

00:05:12.920 Grabalo.

00:05:15.060 De Sarah Taylor.

00:05:18.320 Hey.

00:05:20.680 Hey, no la apretes tanto. 0.65

00:05:22.900 Hey.

00:05:23.380 Hey, cabrón.

00:05:24.740 Has ceidio, cabrón?

00:05:26.020 Carlos.

00:05:26.260 Eso beamen Só screen.

00:05:29.140 Hey.

00:05:29.660 Autoridades.

00:05:30.120 Vamos likeasi da Regasador.

00:05:31.560 Hey.

00:05:32.500 Ahí está sech prename. 0.50

00:05:32.760 Qué bonuses.

00:05:33.100 Ay.

00:05:34.400 Qué precis poll.

00:05:35.440 Hey.

00:05:35.620 Eh.

00:05:37.740 Iagon.

00:05:38.400 Ay.

00:05:39.160 O 83.

00:05:40.020 Correct.

00:05:40.160 Yeah, a knee on the neck. 0.98

00:05:52.040 I heard something about knees on necks in the George Floyd case and the riots have followed.

00:05:57.200 I was told it's very bad for a policeman to put a knee on the neck, at least for serial

00:06:01.120 criminals like George Floyd.

00:06:02.340 But for 14-year-old boys who are wearing a mask, just not the right mask, a knee on

00:06:06.460 the neck is just what the doctor ordered, all in the name of public health, you see.

00:06:10.800 All right, just one more vid.

00:06:13.000 Here's the daily chart of deaths from the virus in the United Kingdom.

00:06:16.620 Population there coming up on 70 million.

00:06:18.700 So it's almost double our population in Canada. 0.96

00:06:22.780 Here's the foolish health minister of the United Kingdom. 0.93

00:06:25.100 I'm very embarrassed to report that in the... 0.99

00:06:28.260 He's a conservative.

00:06:29.680 You're not going to believe he's a conservative, what I was going to say.

00:06:31.740 In the entire United Kingdom, a total of six people passed away from the virus yesterday.

00:06:36.460 No one died in all of Scotland from it.

00:06:39.200 No one in all of Wales.

00:06:41.120 No one in Northern Ireland.

00:06:42.860 Six people in England.

00:06:43.820 Grand total of the whole UK, six people.

00:06:45.540 Now, I'm not happy about that, but that's not a pandemic.

00:06:49.340 Six people.

00:06:50.800 Six also happens to be the new number of the maximum people who are allowed to meet together

00:06:55.720 in the United Kingdom, even if your family is larger than that.

00:06:59.460 Say, if you have five people in your family, so two parents and three kids, if the kids'

00:07:03.340 grandparents come over, well, watch this.

00:07:06.380 Because that makes a total of seven people, it's not allowed.

00:07:09.500 One grandparent has to wait outside in the car, or it's an illegal gathering.

00:07:14.500 I am not even kidding.

00:07:15.940 It doesn't make any medical sense.

00:07:17.320 It makes no health sense. 1.00

00:07:19.080 Imagine the depression and loneliness foisted on both, let alone the stupidity of the fact 0.99

00:07:24.100 that the grandma's now going to go back to the car where grandpa's sitting. 0.99

00:07:26.980 But listen to this health minister who calls himself a conservative, saying, yeah, that's

00:07:31.260 how it is.

00:07:32.140 I'm afraid that a family of, for a family of, say, five or six, this will bring in some

00:07:39.120 significant restrictions.

00:07:41.380 I get that.

00:07:42.060 And we don't do this lightly.

00:07:43.740 So there's no exception, for example, so you were back to where we were with, you can

00:07:47.720 only see one grandparent in that case, for example.

00:07:50.100 In those circumstances, it will be, absolutely, it will bring in more restrictions.

00:07:55.900 You know, I have three children.

00:07:57.120 We have a family of five.

00:07:59.260 And so we'll be able to see one other person at a time as a whole family.

00:08:04.100 Because six people in the UK died.

00:08:07.040 No children can see their grandparents if the family's too large.

00:08:11.300 Entire industries are being closed again because of the foolishness.

00:08:13.840 How would Jeremy Corbyn, the socialist, have been any worse than this?

00:08:16.720 He probably would have been more ashamed of himself and wouldn't have tried to do this.

00:08:20.360 Okay, I've told you pandemic panic.

00:08:22.380 I got a pandemic panic update.

00:08:24.060 But now let me tell you what Trudeau is doing, taking advantage of the pandemic panic to get

00:08:29.280 things sneaked through into law.

00:08:31.920 He's already diminished parliament.

00:08:33.480 He's already prorogued parliament to shut down the ethics inquiries into his scandals.

00:08:39.140 He's been self-hiding at home for six months and the media don't care.

00:08:43.500 They're self-hiding too.

00:08:44.560 They love it.

00:08:45.040 Permanent vacation.

00:08:46.940 Government spending.

00:08:48.560 Borrowing.

00:08:49.220 Sky high.

00:08:50.400 Taxes will follow too.

00:08:51.940 But those are for the little people to pay.

00:08:53.840 There are some people who want to go back to work.

00:08:55.960 I'm just picking an industry of random almost here.

00:08:58.580 You know, there are no movies being made in Canada.

00:09:01.080 Nowhere in the Western world, really.

00:09:03.780 I mean, who would spend $100,000, let alone $10 million, making a movie when one case of

00:09:10.020 the virus on a set, even if it's a false positive using a faulty made-in-China test,

00:09:16.820 one person has the virus.

00:09:18.040 Shut the whole production down.

00:09:19.100 Who would invest millions of dollars in making movies in that kind of a world?

00:09:23.540 So the industry, which is a big industry, stopped and they asked for some insurance framework

00:09:30.380 to be set up by the government to let them go back to work.

00:09:33.140 They want to start spending money again.

00:09:34.640 These are businesses.

00:09:35.660 Trudeau and Gilboa keep nodding their heads.

00:09:39.060 Yeah.

00:09:39.500 Yeah.

00:09:39.800 Thanks, movie guys.

00:09:40.820 Yeah.

00:09:40.940 We've got to get a COVID insurance framework going.

00:09:43.840 But they haven't.

00:09:44.640 They haven't done anything because they don't actually understand how anything real works.

00:09:49.560 They've never run businesses.

00:09:50.820 They only understand giving away free money.

00:09:53.540 They're both very good at that.

00:09:54.580 Trudeau's never run a business in his life.

00:09:56.960 And Gilboa was a professional protester who actually was convicted of crime for his extremist

00:10:02.420 conduct.

00:10:02.760 These guys don't know how to build.

00:10:04.220 They know how to spend other people's money, but not how to earn it.

00:10:06.500 Here's a tweet from Michael Geist.

00:10:07.980 I enjoy following him.

00:10:09.580 He writes about culture and the creative industry and copyright and things like that.

00:10:14.200 He's an independent thinker.

00:10:15.760 He writes that music industry asks for one meter social distancing rules for concerts.

00:10:22.140 Stephen Gilboa said no.

00:10:24.180 Film industry wants COVID insurance.

00:10:26.860 No government response.

00:10:28.740 Instead, he offers digital taxes, CRTC government regulation, mandated Canadian content payments,

00:10:34.660 and link licensing.

00:10:36.320 Seriously.

00:10:37.800 I mean, you fly on an airplane these days.

00:10:41.580 You're seated next to the person.

00:10:43.100 There's no spacing.

00:10:44.320 They don't skip seats.

00:10:45.600 You're elbow to elbow with the next person.

00:10:47.740 You have to wear a mask until the coffee and pretzels comes around.

00:10:51.100 Then you can take your mask off.

00:10:52.820 Literally elbow to elbow with a stranger in a small metal tube for four hours.

00:10:57.320 Take your mask off if you're having coffee.

00:10:58.620 But a concert can't have one meter spacing, even if it's an outdoors concert.

00:11:06.280 Why not?

00:11:07.620 Why not?

00:11:09.300 Do you know how many small businesses and independent people depend on the music industry?

00:11:14.040 I'm not even a big concert goer.

00:11:15.880 But do you know how many jobs?

00:11:17.120 And blue collar jobs, not just the fancy entertainer.

00:11:21.000 Trudeau's ruling class doesn't care. 1.00

00:11:23.400 He cares about big government and bureaucrats and unions.

00:11:27.420 Government unions.

00:11:28.180 But not private sector unions, not the theatrical or musical acts that have to hustle and work

00:11:33.640 hard, not promoters and producers, people who set up the stage and tear it down.

00:11:40.180 Why would Trudeau care about them?

00:11:41.580 They're the little people.

00:11:42.420 I mean, Trudeau will pose with cool musicians to get some of their cool, but he doesn't actually

00:11:47.140 like the work part of the entertainment industry.

00:11:50.040 But look at what Michael Geist said in his next tweet.

00:11:53.060 Heritage Minister Stephen Gilbeau just told culture groups his upcoming bill will give

00:11:57.600 the CRTC the power to intervene in payments by Netflix, Amazon, Prime, Spotify, Regulate

00:12:04.920 Online, CanCon, massive internet regulation structure led by CRTC coming.

00:12:09.600 Really?

00:12:12.320 So actual creators would like some real relief from the government regulations.

00:12:16.500 They want to be able to have a concert again.

00:12:18.800 And they're willing just to have one meter spacing, which is still sort of crazy, but they'll

00:12:22.460 accept that.

00:12:23.080 No word from the government.

00:12:25.280 Can we have some guidance on resuming the work?

00:12:28.260 Trudeau and Gilbeau don't know anything about that, but they know regulation and taxes.

00:12:32.160 This is weird.

00:12:32.800 Look at this.

00:12:33.240 More from Michael Geist.

00:12:34.320 Canadian Heritage Minister Stephen Gilbeau says social media sites linking to news content

00:12:39.420 without payment is immoral.

00:12:42.000 I'll play the video clip of him saying that a bit later.

00:12:44.240 Imagine a convicted criminal and liberal cabinet minister lecturing other people about morality

00:12:50.080 and what is or isn't ethical.

00:12:51.340 Can you imagine that?

00:12:53.040 It's just, they fired the only ethical people in their cabinet, Jody Wilson-Raybould and

00:12:57.200 Jamie Philpott.

00:12:58.140 But it's really weird.

00:12:59.140 He's saying that Facebook linking to news sites is immoral.

00:13:02.220 So when you post something on Facebook to your friends, when you post something on your

00:13:07.940 friend's page, a news story, how is that immoral?

00:13:12.200 How does that even work?

00:13:14.120 That weird thinking.

00:13:15.560 The kooky government of Australia is pitching that same weird thing.

00:13:20.280 Facebook says if Australia bans its ability to share news links, and by that they mean

00:13:27.100 their users' ability to share links, they'll leave the country.

00:13:32.840 Because just like they're not in China, they'll leave Australia. 0.98

00:13:36.320 That shows you how radical Australia's solution is.

00:13:38.580 And that's where Trudeau and Gilbeau want to go.

00:13:41.740 Oh, that's their role model.

00:13:42.680 By the way, that's just going to kill the Australian news industry, which depends on

00:13:46.820 Facebook links for traffic.

00:13:48.440 Let me read some more here.

00:13:49.320 The impact of a mandated link license and blocking of news sharing would do more than

00:13:54.080 hurt news organizations.

00:13:55.900 69% of those surveyed said they were very or quite likely to still use Facebook and Google

00:14:00.280 and read less news.

00:14:01.660 Yeah.

00:14:02.280 If normal people have to choose between Justin Trudeau and that criminal Gilbeau telling them

00:14:07.500 what they can or can't see versus what they like to do,

00:14:11.740 they're just going to do what they like to do.

00:14:13.300 If somehow that means Facebook isn't allowed to share Globe and Mail or CBC stories anymore,

00:14:18.380 consumers don't care.

00:14:19.420 They already don't read much Globe and Mail or watch much CBC already.

00:14:23.800 Of course, Trudeau and Gilbeau would never ban the Globe or the CBC.

00:14:26.780 Those are their mouthpieces.

00:14:29.020 They would try to ban groups like us.

00:14:32.620 People that Trudeau says are fake news.

00:14:34.520 People that Trudeau says are mean.

00:14:37.040 Those aren't real legal concepts.

00:14:38.980 We're already compliant with all laws.

00:14:41.000 That's politics, not law that he's talking about.

00:14:43.720 Trudeau hates us because we criticize him.

00:14:45.940 If Trudeau and Gilbeau are coming to fight the internet, sure, they're after Facebook's

00:14:50.140 money, of course.

00:14:51.720 But at the end of the gunfight, hmm, expect that the handful of independent conservative

00:14:56.460 media sites like ours wind up being banned and regulated out of existence.

00:15:01.500 Stay with us for more on this with Andrew Lawton.

00:15:04.220 We all are so seeing that these platforms can't regulate themselves.

00:15:20.900 We've tried that, and it's simply not working.

00:15:24.240 Now, there's a big difference between saying that we're going to regulate these hateful things

00:15:29.420 and these appalling things, and we're going to put an end to free speech on the internet.

00:15:33.320 That's really not what this is about.

00:15:35.220 Just like we have free speech in our society, but people can't say everything.

00:15:40.200 You can't verbally abuse someone.

00:15:43.000 We have courts that have put measures around free speech.

00:15:48.480 Well, we're doing it in the real world.

00:15:50.980 We can do it on the virtual world as well.

00:15:54.440 And then this is something that myself, my colleague, Minister Baines, obviously, Justice

00:15:59.500 Minister Lamedi are working on, and we will be coming up with legislation in the very near

00:16:06.860 future.

00:16:07.720 That is Stephen Gilbeau, the only member of Trudeau's cabinet who's actually a convicted

00:16:13.440 criminal, saying he thinks it's about time that the internet was regulated and subjected to

00:16:19.340 laws against abuse or crimes.

00:16:22.120 I guess no one told him that it already is.

00:16:27.200 The same laws that apply to a printing press and a TV station and a radio wave also apply

00:16:33.240 to the internet when it comes to anything like uttering a death threat or defamation.

00:16:39.160 In fact, these days, most litigation about the content of news isn't against a TV station

00:16:46.240 or a newspaper.

00:16:47.560 It's online. 0.98

00:16:48.360 I think that Stephen Gilbeau is one of the dumber members of the cabinet, and that's 0.99

00:16:54.060 fine. 0.97

00:16:54.480 I mean, you can't all be as bright as Justin Trudeau and Catherine McKenna.

00:16:59.220 They explain the hard parts to Stephen Gilbeau.

00:17:02.300 But what troubles me is that I think most of the media are letting Gilbeau get away with

00:17:06.680 this.

00:17:07.440 He's claiming that the internet is not now regulated.

00:17:11.120 Oh, don't worry about free speech, he says.

00:17:13.600 You'll still have it when I'm done.

00:17:15.240 Well, joining us now to talk about this latest emanation from Stephen Gilbeau is our friend

00:17:21.060 Andrew Lawton, a grand poobah over there at True North, along with our friend Candice 0.99

00:17:26.440 Malcolm, Anthony Fury, and other great guys.

00:17:28.500 Hey, good to see you, Andrew.

00:17:30.240 Hey, I don't know if I'm the grand poobah, but I'll say I am a poobah.

00:17:32.920 You know what, as soon as I said grand poobah, I better throw in Candice, because she's the 1.00

00:17:36.440 super grand poobah, but you're one of the poobahs. 0.93

00:17:38.160 There we go, yeah.

00:17:38.780 Well, if she's super grand, I can just be grand.

00:17:40.420 She's the best.

00:17:41.200 We're her number one fans, and we sure like you too, Andrew.

00:17:44.940 Anyhow, let me put that admiration society where everyone knows I'm a fan of the True

00:17:50.960 North.

00:17:51.420 But let's get down to today's crazy subject, which is Stephen Gilbeau.

00:17:55.420 And I was poking fun at how dopey he is, but that's not actually the first time he's sort

00:17:59.340 of muddled into a half-baked plan to censor the internet, has it?

00:18:05.420 No, not at all.

00:18:06.620 And in fact, this comes just less than half a year, I think, after he walked back a comment

00:18:12.400 he had made in an interview where he was talking about how he would seek to force social media

00:18:17.640 companies to have a license or digital publishers to be a license.

00:18:21.800 And this got a lot of people in the media to be quite critical, because it sounded like

00:18:26.260 from how he worded it, like he could be going after the media.

00:18:29.780 But then once he had said, oh, no, no, no, we're not actually talking about the media,

00:18:33.600 the mainstream media really stopped covering the story, and they stopped asking any further

00:18:37.240 questions about who would be licensed to have the right to free speech in Stephen Gilbeau's

00:18:42.460 ideal world.

00:18:43.280 Yeah.

00:18:43.520 We've got that clip.

00:18:44.460 It seems like a decade ago, because it was before the pandemic, the fact that they're bringing

00:18:49.020 this idea back during the pandemic suggests they'd like to pass it with a little less

00:18:54.140 scrutiny, a little less parliamentary oversight.

00:18:57.100 I find it dangerous.

00:18:58.140 Here's a flashback to that utterance that you referred to from what seems like ages ago,

00:19:03.540 but it's actually measured in months.

00:19:04.860 Take a look.

00:19:05.640 Yeah, but sir, to be fair, you've got an agency that wants to enhance its scope of powers to

00:19:12.020 determine what's a trusted news source.

00:19:14.000 So the first question will be, who's to define that?

00:19:15.860 You've got a lot of these groups.

00:19:18.620 No, this is a recommendation, Evan.

00:19:20.060 It's not, the CRTC hasn't decided anything.

00:19:23.440 Okay, but they're recommending that, they're recommending that content providers have to

00:19:28.360 register and get a license.

00:19:29.940 So how will this work?

00:19:31.720 How are you going to regulate websites?

00:19:33.540 How are you going to register all that?

00:19:34.980 Do you buy these recommendations?

00:19:39.420 Well, I mean, one of the recommendations, so you're talking about a couple of different

00:19:43.940 things here, but as far as the licensing is concerned, is if you're a distributor of content

00:19:49.140 in Canada, and obviously, you know, if you're a very small media organization, the requirement

00:19:55.860 probably wouldn't be the same as if you're Facebook or Google.

00:19:59.900 So there would have to be some proportionality embedded into this.

00:20:07.060 But we would ask that they have a license, yes.

00:20:10.200 Just like right now, but with the old system in Canada, distributors needed to go to the

00:20:17.760 CRTC and to have a license.

00:20:20.620 Andrew, so that's what he said months ago, but it looks like they're coming back, and

00:20:25.500 he still believes the internet is not governed by laws, by civil lawsuits like defamation,

00:20:33.960 by criminal lawsuits like prosecutions over hate crimes or uttering death threats.

00:20:40.460 I think Stephen Gilboa, who's a lifelong environmental extremist, he was actually convicted of crimes

00:20:46.660 for that, I don't think he's much of a scholar, or a lawyer, or a book reader, because I think

00:20:52.820 he actually doesn't know that the internet is governed by the criminal law and the civil

00:20:57.740 law, just like every other part of our lives is.

00:21:01.960 Yeah, this is a profound exercise in gaslighting, convincing Canadians that a problem that doesn't

00:21:08.400 exist does, so that people will go along with whatever proposed remedy we hear about from

00:21:13.380 the government. And may I remind your viewers, if they aren't already aware, back when I used

00:21:18.920 to work in Ottawa, for example, the heritage minister used to be all about arts and culture,

00:21:23.120 and it was, generally speaking, a job that sure had some more contentious areas, but was

00:21:27.860 really about a lot of things that were not what it is now, which is like the chief bastion

00:21:32.740 of censorship in the government. And ultimately, when Stephen Gilboa gets up there and he starts

00:21:38.180 talking about licensing and regulation and all of this, this has been, for the most part,

00:21:42.500 the only portfolio on which he has been focused since assuming the job of heritage minister.

00:21:48.440 So you have to listen very carefully when he starts to talk about all of these things.

00:21:52.520 He had said in that interview, quote, we can do it in the virtual world as well. Again,

00:21:57.380 trying to convince people that the law doesn't apply on the internet. And even if certain aspects

00:22:02.540 of the heritage code don't apply, for example, the CRTC isn't regulating at this point Netflix

00:22:08.160 or crave like they are television and radio stations, that doesn't mean that these extremist

00:22:13.940 rhetoric examples and other forms of hate speech and all of these things that are under the criminal

00:22:19.160 code right now don't extend to the internet. If it's illegal to say something on your front lawn,

00:22:24.040 it's illegal to say it in the parking lot of a Denny's and it's illegal to say it online. So this idea

00:22:28.940 that we have this area of the world in which the law doesn't apply is just plain wrong.

00:22:34.180 But the liberals are trying to deceive Canadians to justify putting in these sweeping things that

00:22:40.100 would curb speech and force big tech to curb speech. Yeah. You know, I've been reading a lot

00:22:45.780 about what Stephen Gilboa says, and he always starts off with something no one could disagree with.

00:22:50.940 We have to crack down on terrorism recruitment. Okay. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And actual

00:22:57.660 crimes. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And then he immediately switches to political mean

00:23:03.960 words. So he always leads with the stuff that even a conservative would say, yeah, let's not let

00:23:09.420 ISIS recruit online. Yeah, let's crack down as if Facebook, YouTube, Google aren't actually right

00:23:15.860 now trying their hardest to stop that. I know for a fact that they are certainly more than Justin

00:23:21.340 Trudeau, who just led them back into Canada. So he starts with the stuff we can all agree in. And then

00:23:26.340 very cleverly, he slips his rhetoric, his vocabulary towards mean tweets, mean comments,

00:23:34.080 untrusted news sources, disinformation. He's not talking about terrorists anymore. He's not talking

00:23:39.440 about death threats anymore. He's talking about True North, Rebel News, or any voice he doesn't agree

00:23:45.440 with. He's a slippery fish, the Stephen Gilboa. Yeah. And the context of this is it's coming at a time

00:23:51.720 well, Rebel and True North, to name two examples that you just brought up, are fighting in court for

00:23:56.460 the right to cover elections. This case from the previous election campaign is still going on

00:24:01.300 against the Leaders Debates Commission. And that's an area where, again, for all this talk about the

00:24:06.160 need to, in his words, not regulate news and media. Well, his government is doing that effectively by

00:24:13.100 barring certain media from having their constitutionally protected right to freedom of

00:24:18.160 the press and free speech. And the problem we have here with Gilboa is that he is using licensing

00:24:24.920 and regulation as kind of a catch-all for everything. So just last week or two weeks ago,

00:24:29.480 he had said he supported what the Australian government was trying to do, which was actually

00:24:34.120 forcing private social media companies to pay media for the right for people like you or I to post

00:24:42.800 links to those stories online. Something very convoluted, something that, again,

00:24:46.900 impacts the right of people using social media platforms more than it affects social media

00:24:52.380 platforms. And you look further than that, he's talked in the past about licensing digital publishers

00:24:58.100 without really explaining who is supposed to be affected by that. I was in Ottawa back in June of

00:25:04.280 2019 when there were ongoing hearings on the Heritage Committee, or sorry, on the Justice and Human Rights

00:25:09.880 Committee, about whether to bring back a supercharged version of the Section 13 provision of the Human

00:25:16.800 Rights Act that you and countless others fought tooth and nail to defeat. And that committee's report

00:25:22.060 ultimately recommended that there needs to be greater protections against what they call hate speech from

00:25:29.320 social media companies. And this report didn't go anywhere because the 2019 election happened.

00:25:34.820 The reason I bring that up is because this government has actually tried to deputize social media

00:25:40.440 companies to become the arbiters of what is hate speech and what is extremist speech and all of that.

00:25:45.900 And now that we hear it coming back in this context, this is very dangerous because now all of a sudden

00:25:51.560 you have the government threatening social media companies, but getting the social media companies

00:25:55.880 to do the actual censorship.

00:25:57.620 Right. You know, there's more than a dozen priorities in Stephen Gilbeau's mandate letter from Justin Trudeau.

00:26:03.720 That's basically the job description that the Prime Minister gives to the Cabinet Ministers.

00:26:07.700 And the second point, number two, is to bring in strong financial penalties to Facebook and other social media that don't quickly enough,

00:26:18.360 within 24 hours actually, take down speech that Stephen Gilbeau and Catherine McKenna and Justin Trudeau don't like.

00:26:25.000 What I'm worried about is it's bad enough if we censor through Parliament, but at least we'll see it coming.

00:26:31.340 There'll be a process. If you're the target of a censorship attack like I have been and you have been,

00:26:36.700 we'll at least have a day in court. But I'm worried that Gilbeau is doing some log rolling,

00:26:42.280 some horse trading with these companies and saying, well, we'll let you go on the tax side

00:26:46.940 if you agree to do the censorship for us. And because this isn't being debated in Parliament,

00:26:52.360 because this isn't a government law or regulation, it's just a tit for tat, quid for crow.

00:26:57.580 You guys at Facebook, if you censor our enemies, we'll go easy on you. And none of it's on the public record.

00:27:05.140 I'm deeply afraid of censorship that we can't even see. And I don't think this is paranoia.

00:27:13.060 As you may know, Andrew, I interviewed one of Facebook's hundreds and hundreds of censors

00:27:18.320 that works around the clock in Phoenix deleting Canadian posts that they're told to delete.

00:27:22.940 Yeah. And listen, I'm one of these people that believes private companies, even large multinational

00:27:29.200 tech corporations have a right to set their own standards. So I think however insidious I may find

00:27:34.400 it, Facebook and Twitter and Google have a right. And we can debate this at length. I'm sure they have

00:27:40.340 a right to decide what should or shouldn't be allowed. The problem that I have with what the

00:27:44.360 Canadian government has proposed is that let's say these companies want to follow the rules set out

00:27:49.300 by the Canadian government, which may or may not be the case, but let's say they do.

00:27:52.960 They may have a very broad brushed approach, a very broad approach to censorship because they

00:28:00.040 don't want to risk the ire of whatever penalties the government has put forward. So that means that

00:28:05.200 if you've got moderators that are going over content and stuff is on the line, they may to avoid

00:28:10.700 the hassle, just say, all right, well, this is gone. This is gone. This is gone. And you could see a lot

00:28:15.100 of problems. I know you went through this with your book, China Virus, which you and I spoke about on my

00:28:18.960 show when it came out. Imagine if that was not done because a company was being a bit cowardly

00:28:24.320 about it. But imagine if that was done because we feel like this government will go after us if we

00:28:30.620 don't do it, even if it doesn't violate our rules. So let's just get rid of it. And all of a sudden

00:28:35.620 you have mass censorship that you can't actually fight in court to protect against because it's

00:28:42.240 coming from a private company, even though it is actually because of government policy. And this is

00:28:47.420 what I mean when I talk about government deputizing big tech to really be its censors.

00:28:52.600 Yeah. What I learned from talking to the Facebook censor down in Phoenix is that more and more this is

00:28:56.480 just being done by AI, by artificial intelligence. There's not even any human decisions. The first few

00:29:02.880 million censorship actions are done by humans. And then the AI learns, oh, that word, that photo,

00:29:10.000 that combination of phrases, make America great again.

00:29:13.420 Yeah. And that bar will keep getting lower and lower if government is pushing it further and 0.99

00:29:17.340 further down.

00:29:18.100 Yeah. I want to have one last clip. And this is Gilbo talking about a, and I don't know if he's

00:29:24.480 for real here, if he really does want to regulate the internet like China does, like Australia is

00:29:29.520 threatening to do, or if this is a financial shakedown, quite likely with the liberals, or if this

00:29:34.720 is the quid pro quo I mentioned earlier, it's the threat that Facebook makes go away by conceding on

00:29:41.280 censorship. Take a look at Gilbo talking about some weird thing, as you mentioned, that Facebook

00:29:47.260 companies would have to pay to link to a news source. Just take a quick look.

00:29:52.380 On the news side of things, very similarly. I mean, some of these companies, Facebook, for example,

00:29:58.220 makes hundreds of millions of dollars based on the media content that you and other companies in

00:30:06.240 Canada, media companies in Canada develop, and you're not being fairly compensated for it. And

00:30:10.800 that's immoral to me, and it's unacceptable. And we want to change that. There are a couple of

00:30:19.660 countries in the world that are moving in that direction, France, Australia, and we're looking

00:30:25.700 closely and in fact talking with them, looking at what model they're doing and how we could go about

00:30:32.300 doing it in Canada as well. You know, again, he lied. He said that multinational media companies

00:30:39.860 working in Canada, quote, have none. When he's talking about Canadian companies have regulatory

00:30:45.920 burdens, multinationals have none. That's simply not true. He's just, maybe he thinks it's true.

00:30:52.160 Maybe he hasn't read any briefing notes. Maybe he hasn't done any homework. But of course,

00:30:56.980 they have to obey the law. And there are some countries where, for example, Twitter,

00:31:05.140 it doesn't operate in China because it refuses to follow the local law. So it just doesn't operate

00:31:10.800 there. Australia is threatening Facebook. So Facebook says, if you do those weird things,

00:31:15.300 we won't operate there. Of course, Facebook follows the law where it operates. I don't want to call

00:31:21.020 Gilbo dumb because that looks like I'm just name calling. But I can't believe he doesn't know that. 0.93

00:31:26.400 And it's quite audacious that he tells reporters things that are flat out lies and they don't call

00:31:32.160 him on it. There was something really subtle in that answer that I picked up on. And I don't know

00:31:37.680 if I'm the only one, but he was talking about it and he said, you're not being fairly compensated.

00:31:43.620 He stopped talking about the media as an it, as a they. And he started talking to the reporter who

00:31:49.680 had asked him the question as a you. And that, I think, is very revealing because that's his

00:31:54.120 audience right now. He's trying to win over the press. The media has already given been given a

00:31:58.840 huge amount of money by the Trudeau government. And now they're trying to give them even more money.

00:32:03.100 But instead of the government having to pay for it, they're trying to get Facebook and Twitter and

00:32:06.760 Google to pay them. But he was speaking to an audience of the mainstream media there. And I think

00:32:11.700 that's very important that that's what this strategy is all about.

00:32:15.280 You've cracked the code. You've done it. That's exactly what's going on.

00:32:18.900 Right. Trudeau will bail out the newspapers as he is. He's going to try and get Facebook and the

00:32:23.900 others to kick cash to the media. You know, he's complaining about links. Maybe I'm doing Rebel

00:32:30.480 News wrong. But if a major website links to Rebel News, we celebrate that because it brings a lot

00:32:37.780 more people to our website. We don't really make a lot of money off ads, but people watch our stuff.

00:32:44.160 They sign up. We love it when we get links. We try to get links. We try to get things to go viral

00:32:51.540 on Facebook. I've just never heard anyone before saying that it's a bad thing that Facebook links

00:32:57.640 to you. When it happens to us, we celebrate because we can pay our bills. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

00:33:05.020 But I think Rebel and True North and a lot of independent media are in a bit of a different

00:33:08.880 boat here because the mainstream media's money traditionally comes from ads and it's not

00:33:13.780 newspaper ads anymore. It has to be digital ads. And the challenge with that is that I would say

00:33:19.200 the mainstream media, which is having an ongoing decline of newspaper subscriptions, for example,

00:33:24.400 is gaining a lot more from people linking to their content on Facebook than it's losing.

00:33:29.000 So this is very much a be careful what you wish for situation, because if all of a sudden people

00:33:33.780 are no longer able to share a link to the National Post or the Toronto Star on Facebook,

00:33:38.280 well, it's going to be not that much longer before these platforms, which have massive,

00:33:43.220 massive shares of their actual clicks, are no longer getting them.

00:33:46.960 You've been very generous with your time. You're one of my favorite guests. You're a real fan favorite.

00:33:52.300 And I think you really won over people with how you managed the debate in the conservative

00:33:57.960 leadership contest. I mean, you already had everyone on your team, but

00:34:01.420 I saw a new side of you that day, I want to let you know,

00:34:05.660 that deeply, deeply impressed me. And you're one of our fan favorites. You're certainly one of my favorites.

00:34:11.300 Well, it's returned. Well, thanks. And I don't know why I just feel like gushing when you're on

00:34:15.840 the show. I'm just sort of excited. Hey, no, bring it on. I'll take it.

00:34:19.340 Well, you're a good ally. I tell you that whether it's going to the UK to report on freedom of speech

00:34:23.780 there or fighting Justin Trudeau's ban on us in the federal election debate, you're fighting the

00:34:31.160 trenches. I do have one last question for you. And that is, Stephen Gilbo trotted this out before

00:34:38.560 the pandemic. And he was sort of beaten back by a number of, I'd say the more idealistic media party

00:34:46.380 types, Evan Solomon of CTV, who I generally respect. I think he's one, he actually cares about media

00:34:51.200 freedom a little bit. He's one of my favorite media party guys, if I had to choose. And there was some

00:34:58.080 mockery of Gilbo. I haven't really seen that this time. And I'm worried that what was sort of laughed

00:35:05.700 out of parliament before the pandemic now will just be rushed through without scrutiny, without

00:35:12.280 opposition. I don't even know if Erin O'Toole is going to oppose this. Do you think this is going to

00:35:17.800 sneak through this time where it was stopped last time? I think it will, because where the mainstream

00:35:22.980 media reporters were actually, I think, frustrated in February was when it was going after them

00:35:29.220 potentially, when all of a sudden anyone who publishes a news website was the way he had worded

00:35:34.480 that initial answer going to have to be licensed and regulated. And once he made it clear after that

00:35:40.480 interview, oh, no, no, no, news won't be eligible for this. News won't have to do this. The mainstream

00:35:45.100 media backed off. And I think there was a bit of self-preservation there. So now they're not as

00:35:50.240 invested in this story because they know that they're safe. And if anything, more than safe,

00:35:54.840 as we talked about a little while ago with getting a bit of money out of the social media

00:35:59.080 company. So I don't think there is going to be that scrutiny or, as you'd say, mockery this time

00:36:03.780 around from the mainstream press. Yeah. Let me close with one last thing. I was reading on True

00:36:08.200 North today, a great little story by your cause, the colleague, Cosmin Gerja, who added up the number

00:36:14.200 of times the CBC wrote about Justin Trudeau's hair and socks, which is a very funny project.

00:36:20.240 And compared it to the CBC's coverage of various liberal scandals, like, for example,

00:36:25.720 a liberal MP who was being charged with sexual harassment, or sorry, criminal harassment,

00:36:30.740 and worse. It was a very funny comparison of what the CBC loves to talk about, how cool the liberals

00:36:38.020 are, with what the CBC hates to talk about, liberals in trouble. It's very eye-opening.

00:36:42.520 I'm going to make a prediction. You and I and other independent, non-bailout media will talk more

00:36:51.020 about this censorship gambit by Stephen Gilboa than the media party will. So it's another calculation of

00:36:57.860 where's your value? Where's your emphasis? You and I will fight harder for freedom of the press

00:37:03.880 and deregulation of the media than the media party will. That's my prediction. If you want to count the

00:37:10.220 number of stories that we're going to see in the next six months, that's my prediction.

00:37:15.060 Yeah, we'll add this into the next round of sock and hair comparisons. And I feel like it may be a

00:37:19.960 pretty small number of times that the media has covered this. So all the more reason for us to.

00:37:24.660 Andrew Lawton, great to see you. Thanks for spending so much time with us.

00:37:27.820 Happy to.

00:37:28.300 All right, there you have it. Andrew Lawton is over at True North. A great website. I'm sure you're familiar

00:37:35.420 with it. If not, please go check them out. They're one of the few voices fighting independently

00:37:40.760 to report in this country. Stay with us more ahead.

00:37:44.800 Hey, welcome back to my monologue about WestJet. London writes, everyone should boycott WestJet.

00:38:04.580 Well, I don't know about that. I mean, sometimes you have to travel. It's just really, really weird. I

00:38:09.720 mean, we hear about air rage and road rage. I've seen air rage with my own eyes. Sometimes I feel a

00:38:14.780 little bit of rage at the frustration of flying in this modern era. I've just never seen air rage

00:38:20.180 by the airline that literally punished the entire plane for sort of cheering for the 19-month-old girl

00:38:28.360 who didn't want to wear a mask. The staff punished the entire plane of customers by canceling the flight.

00:38:35.100 I've never seen air rage by the airline before. So, so weird. Frederick writes, call the Victoria

00:38:43.040 police from Australia. They'd happily cuff and frog march out that 19-month-old threat to society. 0.83

00:38:47.960 I believe you're right. I mean, I showed you that 14-year-old boy. Why wouldn't they go after a 19-year-old baby?

00:38:53.820 On my interview with Gordon Chang, Bruce writes, I hope people boycott the show in support of Uyghur 1.00

00:38:58.620 prisoners. Well, that's the thing. I mean, little girls who were the target market of the Mulan movie,

00:39:04.600 they don't know what the word Uyghur means. They don't really know much about China. They've never been there.

00:39:08.920 They don't follow politics. They don't really know what a concentration camp is. The target market 0.77

00:39:13.120 for the Mulan movie, I'd say, are girls between the age of 7 and 14. Not very political. I think

00:39:21.360 any remedy has to come at a higher level, putting sanctions on companies to do business in Xinjiang.

00:39:29.660 Just like you wouldn't allow Hollywood to make a movie in a gulag in North Korea, 0.90

00:39:35.520 or during the Soviet years in the gulag in Siberia, or God forbid, in the Nazi years at a

00:39:41.620 concentration camp, why should the world permit filmmaking in Xinjiang as if it's nothing?

00:39:49.000 And literally thanking the secret police there in their credits. I think that's a way. I think

00:39:54.740 you can't rely on boycotts because I'm guessing if you're watching my show, you're more likely a 50-year-old

00:40:00.500 man than a 15-year-old girl. You weren't going to watch Mulan anyways. I think the grown-ups,

00:40:05.520 you have to take on China, don't you? Well, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow, 0.85

00:40:10.020 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - September 11, 2020

Trudeau appoints convicted criminal to censor Internet freedom

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