Rebel News Podcast - June 05, 2019


Trudeau calls the murders of Aboriginal women “genocide” — but is that true？


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Justin Trudeau says Canada has committed a genocide against Indigenous people. What does that even mean? And who is responsible for all the missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls in Canada? And why is this even a thing?

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00:00:00.000 Well, my rebels, I talked about something difficult to talk about today, and that is genocide.
00:00:05.420 What does it mean?
00:00:06.100 And did Canada really commit a genocide against missing and murdered Aboriginal women?
00:00:10.880 Trudeau said so.
00:00:12.560 A government commission said so.
00:00:14.660 Is it true?
00:00:16.400 Well, I show you some statistics, and I show you a very, very troubling factor, namely who did it, who did the killing.
00:00:23.760 It's not happy.
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00:00:45.200 All right, here's the podcast on missing and murdered Aboriginal women.
00:00:49.420 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.
00:00:52.100 Tonight, Trudeau says it, so it's official.
00:00:55.500 Canada has committed a genocide against Aboriginal people.
00:01:00.200 It's June 4th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:04.620 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:08.280 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:11.900 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:22.100 Do you know what genocide means?
00:01:25.680 You can see it in the word.
00:01:26.840 Homicide means killing a man.
00:01:29.560 Regicide means killing a king.
00:01:31.400 Genocide, same root.
00:01:33.700 It means to kill an entire ethnicity, an entire race, actually. 0.99
00:01:37.180 That's what it means, to kill a gene.
00:01:39.220 Hitler's Holocaust against the Jews had that as its express goal, total annihilation of the Jews, and he killed 6 million Jews.
00:01:47.780 The Muslim Turks had an express goal of killing every single Armenian Christian, 1.5 million killed.
00:01:58.300 Stalin's enforced starvation of Ukrainian farmers, the Holodomor, untold millions.
00:02:04.460 That's what genocide looked like.
00:02:07.700 You've surely heard at least of some of those.
00:02:10.820 But have you ever heard that Canada has committed a genocide?
00:02:13.580 Us, Canada.
00:02:14.440 You know, the good guys.
00:02:16.360 No?
00:02:16.980 Well, you're wrong.
00:02:19.440 Here's Professor Scholar Dr. Justin Trudeau making it official.
00:02:24.980 I'm going to play a clip with a few parts to it.
00:02:27.340 I'll explain why I've had the before and after.
00:02:29.520 But here he is, basically saying that we are morally equivalent to Stalin and Hitler.
00:02:35.800 We are genociders.
00:02:37.680 Just over a month after forming government, we announced the creation of a national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls following the recommendation of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
00:02:54.980 An inquiry that we launched based on the steadfast advocacy of families and survivors.
00:03:06.680 We promised Canadians that we would start this process, a process that would ultimately chart a path for the future.
00:03:14.560 Earlier this morning, the National Inquiry formally presented their final report in which they found that the tragic violence that indigenous women and girls have experienced amounts to genocide.
00:03:28.960 The strength of the families and survivors who bravely shared their truths has shown us the way forward.
00:03:46.460 We will do a thorough review of this report and develop and implement a national action plan to address violence against indigenous women, girls, and LGBTQ and two-spirit people.
00:03:59.620 So you heard him say genocide, a genocide against Aboriginal people.
00:04:07.480 What, like centuries ago when European explorers and settlers first set foot in North America and had wars against the local Indian tribes they encountered?
00:04:16.940 No, that's not what he means.
00:04:18.460 He means Aboriginal women who have been killed in individual criminal acts in the past few decades.
00:04:25.220 He calls that a genocide because some partisan committee that he handpicked with lawyers and activists feasting for four years on a $100 million gravy train because they said so.
00:04:38.440 And did you listen to the various parts of his statement there?
00:04:41.020 I included them for a reason.
00:04:42.060 He started by referring to another shockingly expensive study called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
00:04:49.800 That made a recommendation to have this Missing and Murdered Women's Commission. 1.00
00:04:56.220 And did you hear Trudeau's plan to do more consultations and to come up with an implementation plan?
00:05:02.940 And that plan will surely lead another plan.
00:05:07.820 Gee, it's almost like the only people being helped here are lawyers and lobbyists and partisan appointees, many of whom are white, by the way.
00:05:14.160 Most of whom are fancy city dwellers, never set foot on an Indian reserve if they can help it. 1.00
00:05:20.080 Did you see our reporter, Kian Bextie, the other day try to ask Carolyn Bennett, the super white downtown Toronto Indian Affairs Minister?
00:05:28.120 I mean, how bizarre is that choice for Cabinet in the first place?
00:05:31.840 Kian asked her why she was paying consultants on this commission as much as $300 an hour.
00:05:38.600 Did you see that?
00:05:39.120 Minister Bennett, Minister Bennett, would you be able to tell me what you spent $300 an hour on in consultants for the Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women's Commission?
00:05:48.360 You're way too close.
00:05:49.560 You don't have an answer?
00:05:54.800 Yeah, Kian, it's called the Indian industry.
00:05:57.940 Helping the Indian industry is completely different from helping Indians or other aboriginals. 0.99
00:06:02.660 There are 600 First Nations in this country, if you went to any given reserve, and asked them what the best use for $100 million is that this commission spent, or that the last commission spent, or the one before that, or the next one that Trudeau proposes.
00:06:16.280 If he asked them if hiring more white lawyers to have meetings in hotels is the best use of that money, they'd laugh at you, but that's what Trudeau calls action. 0.50
00:06:26.000 There's still no clean water up there at Grassy Narrows, First Nation.
00:06:29.200 And that's still poisonous.
00:06:31.460 There's still boiling water advisories in many reserves, still sky-high unemployment, still drug use and alcoholism and other dysfunction.
00:06:38.320 But by God, the lawyers are getting paid.
00:06:41.360 But really, a genocide.
00:06:42.600 Really, a genocide?
00:06:44.920 Well, there's an old liberal hack named Romeo Dallaire.
00:06:48.800 He's a former general, you know.
00:06:51.480 I think he's in the Senate now.
00:06:52.620 He served in Rwanda, where there really was a genocide 25 years ago.
00:06:58.620 In the course of just a few months, nearly 1 million people from an ethnicity called Tutsis were murdered by the Hutus.
00:07:11.380 Half a million rapes, too. 0.89
00:07:13.000 Shocking, horrific.
00:07:14.300 Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness stuff.
00:07:16.620 Child soldiers, amputations, horrors.
00:07:19.920 And a man who was there was Canada's Romeo Dallaire.
00:07:26.320 I'm not going to get into his own role there in the midst of the genocide.
00:07:30.380 That's not my point here today.
00:07:31.420 My point today is that man actually knows what a genocide looks like because he was standing in the middle of one.
00:07:39.420 In Canada, we don't have one.
00:07:43.420 Dallaire positively denounced the use of the term.
00:07:46.080 You can see it here in La Presse today.
00:07:48.360 He denounces the use of the term genocide.
00:07:52.140 He says it's miserable.
00:07:53.860 It's unacceptable to call it a genocide.
00:07:56.580 He's not anti-Aboriginal, I can tell you.
00:07:58.820 He's not racist.
00:07:59.960 Of all his flaws, I think he proved his anti-racism bona fides.
00:08:04.300 He's saying it's not a genocide because the missing and murdered Aboriginal women, it's a crime wave, but it's not actually a racist crime wave because, and I've told you this before a few years back, when I first looked at the numbers, I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put it.
00:08:23.740 So the people who are killing Aboriginal women are Aboriginal men. 0.87
00:08:29.260 In fact, in the plurality of cases, it's their husbands or boyfriends who are Aboriginal too.
00:08:37.420 The RCMP has done exhaustive research into missing and murdered Aboriginal women.
00:08:42.040 They do exhaustive research into anyone who is missing or murdered.
00:08:47.040 So let me tell you the facts.
00:08:48.240 These are all RCMP images, I should tell you.
00:08:51.220 The RCMP looked at the data going back nearly 40 years.
00:08:54.620 I'm going to go through some of the stats at a particular moment in time as per the RCMP snapshot.
00:08:59.860 I've shared these stats before, back when the latest commission was proposed, because frankly, the police already asked all the questions and they came up with some pretty clear answers.
00:09:08.660 The $100 million was just a gift to Trudeau's lawyer friends.
00:09:12.360 According to the RCMP, out of 6,420 missing persons in Canada, you can see the stats five years old, but, you know, the numbers are similar to what they were back then.
00:09:22.320 They don't have up-to-date numbers for 2019, I should point out.
00:09:28.340 And the RCMP doesn't have clear graphics like this anymore under the Liberal regime.
00:09:32.700 So out of the 6,420 missing persons, 1,455 are women at all, and 164 are Aboriginal women,
00:09:43.620 and 105 of them are missing in unknown or suspicious circumstances as opposed to non-suspicious circumstances.
00:09:50.320 And that's still a lot, 100 women. 1.00
00:09:54.540 But if police can't find these 100 women lost over the last 35 years, how can Justin Trudeau and his rich lawyers?
00:10:03.080 Police don't ignore missing or murdered Aboriginal women.
00:10:06.320 This isn't Chicago, where most crimes go unsolved forever.
00:10:09.360 In Canada, police solve fully 88% of Aboriginal murders, which is almost identical to the 89% solve rate for non-Aboriginal women murdered.
00:10:22.980 It's the same.
00:10:24.040 Police aren't ignoring it.
00:10:25.020 They're solving it almost identically at the same rate.
00:10:26.980 In the past generation, out of 23,313 total murders in Canada, 1,017 of them were Aboriginal women.
00:10:38.640 You could say 6,551 were women altogether. 1.00
00:10:42.720 Just over 1,000 were Aboriginal women.
00:10:44.280 That's a lot.
00:10:45.100 Over 35 years, it's still a lot.
00:10:47.140 But I am sorry.
00:10:47.840 That is not a genocide.
00:10:51.500 That is not the Holocaust.
00:10:52.680 That is not the Armenian Holocaust.
00:10:54.600 That is not the Holodomor.
00:10:56.080 That is not Hutus and Tutsis. 0.99
00:10:58.420 That is not a race or ethnic cleansing.
00:11:00.640 It is not a government plot like the Holocaust or the Holodomor and the others I've mentioned.
00:11:04.680 It is a slow motion crime wave.
00:11:08.640 And 88% of those crimes have been solved.
00:11:11.300 Say, did this $100 million commission solve any of those outstanding crimes?
00:11:18.200 Maybe that $100 million might have better been spent on police.
00:11:21.180 Just an idea.
00:11:23.460 So who killed these women?
00:11:26.320 Well, we know the answer in 88% of the cases.
00:11:30.020 And it's tragic and it's sad.
00:11:31.580 It's a crime.
00:11:32.540 But it's sad, too.
00:11:35.120 I'm sorry, but their husbands did it.
00:11:37.360 Their boyfriends did it.
00:11:38.160 Other family members did it.
00:11:39.580 Their friends did it.
00:11:40.360 People who they know did it.
00:11:42.220 These are the stats based on the 88% of murders that the police have solved.
00:11:46.420 You can see there the red lines are for non-Aboriginal women. 0.93
00:11:50.420 The blue lines are for Aboriginal women. 1.00
00:11:55.140 In almost every case, they knew their killer.
00:11:58.840 In 90% of the cases, they knew their killer.
00:12:03.060 They were usually married to them. 0.95
00:12:05.540 There are other factors involved in these crimes that we should not ignore.
00:12:08.820 44% of the murderers of Aboriginal women are drunk when they commit their crime.
00:12:15.660 That's triple the rate of murderers of non-Aboriginal women. 1.00
00:12:18.560 74% of them are unemployed.
00:12:25.920 71% already had a criminal record.
00:12:27.220 53% had already been convicted of a violent offense.
00:12:32.160 62% had a history of violence with the particular victim.
00:12:36.780 62% of the people who murdered Aboriginal women already had a police violent incident with their victim.
00:12:47.020 They came back later and killed them again.
00:12:50.600 Killed them.
00:12:50.980 They had another violent incident in which they killed them.
00:12:53.520 So they had a violent incident.
00:12:55.080 Police knew about that.
00:12:56.420 And yet they were put back in the situation where they killed that woman later.
00:13:00.540 You want an inquiry into the facts about these murders?
00:13:03.260 You're in luck.
00:13:04.180 The police already made the inquiries with police officers and detectives.
00:13:07.840 And I just showed you the facts.
00:13:09.820 Alcohol abuse, social abuse, a lack of jobs, high welfare rates.
00:13:12.460 That's part of it.
00:13:13.480 That's part of it.
00:13:14.220 Now, I'm sorry to say it, but why should I be sorry to say it?
00:13:17.940 I'm sorry about the facts themselves.
00:13:19.960 I'm not sorry to say the facts, especially when the alternative narrative is that this is some sort of political racist genocide
00:13:26.400 that has been committed against Aboriginal women as some sort of racist plot.
00:13:32.680 90% of Aboriginal women murder victims knew their attacker.
00:13:37.880 In many cases, they were married to their attacker.
00:13:40.980 That is not racism, because the attackers were Aboriginal men.
00:13:45.400 I'm sorry to say it, but let's solve the problem, not lie about it, and not slander other people who had nothing to do with it.
00:13:54.580 Solve alcoholism.
00:13:55.800 Solve the drug abuse.
00:13:56.720 Easier said than done.
00:13:57.680 I know.
00:13:58.440 I grew up not far away from an Indian band called the Blood Reserve that was a dry reserve, as in alcohol was banned.
00:14:04.840 It's prohibition.
00:14:06.640 Now, I know that's not cool.
00:14:08.280 I know Trudeau himself, he loves to drink.
00:14:10.540 He loves to smoke marijuana.
00:14:11.880 It was the only policy he really cared about.
00:14:14.180 Okay, thanks very much.
00:14:15.400 He's legalized marijuana.
00:14:17.180 Okay, he's so cool.
00:14:18.320 But maybe, maybe in the case of an Indian reserve in the rural parts where there's nothing to do and the kids get bored,
00:14:25.300 maybe it's not a bad idea to ban alcohol and ban marijuana.
00:14:28.660 I don't know.
00:14:29.880 That band thought so.
00:14:30.980 My point is that there are real solutions to tackling real problems.
00:14:36.240 Calling it genocide is fake news.
00:14:39.940 Blaming white people, yeah, that's not going to solve the problem on a reserve, is it? 0.95
00:14:45.680 Unemployment, that's what the left would call a root cause. 0.87
00:14:48.180 That's surely part of the real problem here.
00:14:50.900 Look at the profile of the murderers.
00:14:52.040 Three times as likely to be drunk.
00:14:54.180 Half as likely to have employment.
00:14:55.980 But there's another point, and it's hard to say, but we have to say it, as I mentioned.
00:15:01.840 According to the RCMP inquiries, most of the killers of Aboriginal women have been convicted of violent crimes before,
00:15:08.820 and many of them against that same woman they went on to kill.
00:15:12.960 And yet, they were dumped back into the community by the justice system,
00:15:17.200 just dumped back earlier in the community than a white criminal would have been.
00:15:22.120 As a result of Canada's affirmative action criminal justice system,
00:15:26.420 ever since a precedent-setting court case called Glad You became law,
00:15:31.500 Aboriginal criminals have had a form of affirmative action for sentences for serving time for their crimes. 0.99
00:15:38.000 For violent crimes, because of their race, and only because of their race, 0.74
00:15:42.220 Aboriginal criminals get more leniency. 1.00
00:15:45.360 They get shorter sentences.
00:15:46.540 They often get non-custodial sentences, and they don't have to go to jail at all.
00:15:50.260 You know, healing lodges instead of prison.
00:15:54.200 Again, there might be some thoughtful way to handle Aboriginal incarceration.
00:15:57.860 There might be a thoughtful way to have a different cultural track for Aboriginal criminals.
00:16:02.260 You know, I'm open-minded to the idea, by the way.
00:16:05.860 But when violent criminals are sent right back into the community,
00:16:08.740 where then they go on to kill Aboriginal women,
00:16:10.960 women in particular that they had violence against before, 0.72
00:16:13.960 I'm sorry, don't call that genocide.
00:16:15.520 Unless you're specifically blaming the liberal white judges and liberal white politicians
00:16:20.980 who thought they were so noble, thought they were helping people by releasing dangerous men
00:16:25.940 back to be predators on women, and the men and women both happen to be aboriginal.
00:16:31.680 So why is Trudeau doing this?
00:16:32.820 Why is he calling it a genocide?
00:16:34.740 I mean, he's a liar, but why is he doing it?
00:16:37.200 It's not a genocide.
00:16:38.080 These women are not being targeted because of their race. 1.00
00:16:42.500 The murderers are of the same race. 0.97
00:16:44.300 They're murdered because they're in the same house as the murderer.
00:16:46.300 Race isn't the factor.
00:16:47.320 Violence, alcohol, domestic disputes, that's the problem.
00:16:50.020 It's horrible, but I'm sorry that it's not a genocide, or I'm glad it's not a genocide.
00:16:54.380 Calling it a genocide allows Trudeau to keep the grievance industry going.
00:16:59.040 It's easier to rail against genocide than to tackle real crime and real alcoholism and real unemployment.
00:17:05.040 It's easier to talk about how we're all guilty of racism, look in your heart,
00:17:09.540 than to figure out what to do with aboriginal offenders.
00:17:12.620 Right now, they're being released early from prison out of mercy to them, it's said,
00:17:16.380 but how does that show mercy on the women that they have gone on to kill?
00:17:20.300 That is harder to talk about than calling people names.
00:17:23.880 Racist, genocide, all Trudeau knows how to do is call names.
00:17:27.820 He doesn't solve problems.
00:17:28.980 He blames others and apologizes for others, but he never fixes a problem himself.
00:17:33.100 Look, don't call everything a genocide, because you devalue what really was a genocide.
00:17:38.780 And if you care about missing and murdered aboriginal women, prove it. 1.00
00:17:42.420 By trying to fix the problem, don't lie about it.
00:17:45.520 Just to make your white liberal lawyer friends rich.
00:17:49.440 Stay with us for more.
00:17:50.380 I am concerned about the potential return of legislation such as Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act,
00:18:10.800 because what that legislation does is punish Canadians who, in exercising their right to peaceful free expression,
00:18:17.920 might offend a member of a protected, marginalized group.
00:18:21.360 If someone with a marginalized identity experiences commentary they find offensive,
00:18:26.060 they can claim the offense is an attack on their identity rather than being legitimate expression.
00:18:32.220 Human rights tribunals become the tools by which those who speak their mind peacefully and non-violently are silenced.
00:18:38.860 Well, we've told you that the liberal government wants to bring back Section 13,
00:18:44.900 the censorship provision of the Canadian Human Rights Act that was repealed by Stephen Harper's government back in 2013.
00:18:51.420 That is no surprise to me, as only one liberal MP at the time, Scott Sims, voted to repeal it.
00:18:57.760 What is surprising is how timid the Conservative Party is being this time around.
00:19:02.960 We just played for you a clip from Lindsay Shepard, the free speech activist and student
00:19:08.480 who got into a terrible trouble at Laurier University for daring to even discuss.
00:19:15.140 Jordan Peterson, who I think most Canadians would say is fairly mild-mannered,
00:19:19.620 she testified before the committee about her experiences on free speech and censorship,
00:19:24.840 but it so agitated the committee of so-called grown-ups that they had a vote
00:19:31.740 and they voted to turn off the TV cameras
00:19:36.780 and the Conservatives voted to turn them off too.
00:19:41.120 Joining us now via Skype from Ottawa,
00:19:44.580 and hopefully no one will turn off her TV camera,
00:19:47.440 here is Lindsay Shepard.
00:19:49.520 Lindsay, thanks for joining us today.
00:19:51.180 Did I accurately represent what happened?
00:19:54.000 Is it true that, I mean, of course the Liberals and the NDP did it,
00:19:57.420 but did the Conservative MPs actually vote to turn off the cameras
00:20:02.780 while you and Mark Stein and Job Robson were testifying for freedom today?
00:20:08.040 I had to re-watch to make sure that that happened, but yes, indeed it did.
00:20:12.480 They literally invited you there,
00:20:15.700 and when they got uncomfortable or got some panicky email,
00:20:20.220 they voted to turn off the camera on you.
00:20:23.780 Did they make eye contact while doing that?
00:20:25.840 Like, that's like inviting someone to a birthday party
00:20:28.700 and then someone saying,
00:20:29.940 well, if she's here, I'm not going to be here.
00:20:32.280 Tell them to leave.
00:20:33.100 Like, that's not just politically outrageous,
00:20:36.100 it's just socially cringey
00:20:38.000 to invite someone to come all the way to Ottawa
00:20:40.500 and then to say, yeah, we're sort of embarrassed by you,
00:20:43.460 we're going to turn off the camera.
00:20:44.640 Like, did they even do that with a straight face and eye contact?
00:20:47.940 You know, I mean, they were pleasant to me,
00:20:51.780 the three Conservative MPs, while I was there.
00:20:55.080 The Liberals and NDP, less so.
00:20:58.860 So, but I think the Conservatives,
00:21:02.100 they were probably feeling the heat from the Michael Cooper situation.
00:21:06.180 All right, well, that's, I mean, that's politics.
00:21:08.000 That's got nothing to do with principle and freedom of speech.
00:21:10.200 Let me ask you, aside from the graceless anti-social conduct
00:21:17.180 of the Conservative MPs,
00:21:19.120 was there any substantive progress today?
00:21:22.820 Do you feel that you, Mark Stein or John Robson,
00:21:26.060 told this committee anything that might illuminate their thinking
00:21:29.760 or guide their thinking?
00:21:31.340 Or was it, or is this a done deal?
00:21:32.880 Is Section 13, the censorship provision, coming back?
00:21:35.700 Well, you know, in my opening statement,
00:21:39.380 I think I gave a lot of food for thought
00:21:42.420 to the members of the committee.
00:21:45.880 And I think out of the total 57 witnesses,
00:21:49.000 including today's, us three, Stein, myself, and Robson,
00:21:53.280 I was the only person who had experience
00:21:56.840 with being censored online,
00:21:59.160 with my being kicked off of Twitter for seven days,
00:22:02.000 which relatively isn't even that bad.
00:22:03.900 But I think I was the only one with that kind of experience.
00:22:07.140 And I feel like I gave them food for thought.
00:22:09.960 And still, when it came to the Q&A,
00:22:13.340 the NDPs and Liberals,
00:22:14.700 they just, they already knew what they wanted to say.
00:22:17.980 And it was based off of a little video clip
00:22:20.620 that went around Twitter.
00:22:21.940 And then, you know, obviously my detractors
00:22:24.400 tagged all of the Liberal and NDP members of the committee.
00:22:29.500 And that's what they decided to question me about.
00:22:31.740 It wasn't about my ideas of what I presented today.
00:22:34.520 It was just on what Twitter mobs think, essentially.
00:22:38.180 Well, I think that the MPs themselves
00:22:40.360 have joined the Twitter mob.
00:22:42.260 And that's the thing.
00:22:42.920 I've seen it happen with my own eyes.
00:22:44.960 The Twitter mob approaches someone and says,
00:22:47.060 disavow this person and join us and be safe.
00:22:51.520 Or stand with this person and we'll devour you too. 0.99
00:22:55.020 You've got five seconds to decide.
00:22:57.440 So I think that's how Twitter mobs work.
00:23:00.600 And I would put it to you,
00:23:01.640 that's working on the conservatives right now.
00:23:04.520 They were pressured into turning off the TV cameras on you.
00:23:07.980 You just said, oh, they're under some pressure
00:23:10.000 about Michael Cooper.
00:23:10.820 I don't care what the pressure is.
00:23:12.260 It's the mob.
00:23:13.580 And you say, if I heard you correctly,
00:23:16.160 that out of 57 witnesses on the subject,
00:23:18.700 you're the only one who's actually being censored.
00:23:20.280 I know that the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom
00:23:23.520 also spoke out for free speech.
00:23:26.720 And to their credit,
00:23:27.560 the Canadian Civil Liberties Association did so,
00:23:30.820 if in a tepid way.
00:23:32.920 Are you aware of anyone out of the other 57 names?
00:23:36.880 So we've got the three of you today
00:23:38.400 and the two names I just mentioned.
00:23:40.140 Are you aware of anyone else
00:23:41.780 who spoke out on the free speech side of this?
00:23:43.740 There was one LGBT organization
00:23:50.560 that kind of seemed like they were pro-free speech
00:23:53.960 because they recognized that people of even marginalized,
00:23:56.980 the most marginalized communities
00:23:58.260 need to be able to communicate their ideas openly
00:24:01.580 and in a free manner.
00:24:03.320 But overall, from all of the statements that I looked at,
00:24:08.640 I was the only one who actually gave direct experience
00:24:12.820 with censorship online
00:24:15.780 and being accused of hate speech myself.
00:24:18.520 You know, you might be referring to EGAL,
00:24:20.760 and I remember them from a dozen years ago
00:24:23.320 when their former executive director,
00:24:25.740 Gilles Marchildan,
00:24:26.520 and I remember this because it made such an impact on me,
00:24:29.260 he was a gay rights activist,
00:24:30.660 but he said the reason why he wants hate speech to be legal,
00:24:34.420 and I still remember his reasons.
00:24:35.760 A dozen years later, he said,
00:24:36.860 number one, he wants to know who the haters are.
00:24:40.020 He doesn't want them driven underground.
00:24:41.140 Number two, it's a teachable moment
00:24:43.960 because not everyone knows why this word is bad
00:24:46.600 or this idea is bad,
00:24:47.840 and you have to teach people in every generation.
00:24:49.800 I mean, no one's going to know about, let's say,
00:24:52.500 the Holocaust or slavery for blacks or whatever
00:24:55.380 unless you talk about it.
00:24:57.440 And just because someone has a skeptical question
00:24:59.140 doesn't mean, like, a debate is usually a teaching moment.
00:25:02.620 And the third point, he said,
00:25:04.260 is that if you outsource to the government censorship,
00:25:08.400 you're really outsourcing part of your personal civic duty.
00:25:11.840 If someone says something really wrong or hateful or racist,
00:25:14.400 the answer is not to call 911 and get a bureaucrat sent over,
00:25:17.780 and maybe in two years you'll have some legal resolution.
00:25:21.660 It's to say, hey, we don't talk that way around here.
00:25:24.040 It's like to have a community that takes care of itself.
00:25:26.640 I thought those were three compelling arguments.
00:25:28.760 If it's that same groupie gal that you're referring to,
00:25:31.660 I'm glad they haven't succumbed to this censorship,
00:25:34.580 but pretty much everyone else on the left has.
00:25:38.220 Yes, and I don't know if you were listening to the NDP MP
00:25:44.080 Randall Garrison's statement,
00:25:46.480 but he took up his whole Q&A time
00:25:48.640 to talk about all the online hate he's experienced
00:25:52.560 and told me, Mark Stein, and John Robson
00:25:57.100 that we don't live in the real world
00:25:58.880 because we don't experience online hate,
00:26:01.340 and I just don't know where he gets off on thinking
00:26:04.740 he's so special and unique and he experiences hate
00:26:07.360 and none of the other people here do.
00:26:10.200 Of course I experience online hate.
00:26:12.060 I just don't think I need to wear it as a badge of honor
00:26:14.740 or something and use time in Parliament
00:26:17.540 to talk about that in front of a standing committee.
00:26:20.340 Yeah, he's one of the most powerful men in the country,
00:26:22.320 one of 338 members of Parliament.
00:26:24.200 He's on the Justice Committee.
00:26:25.660 He has private armed security on Parliament Hill
00:26:29.540 that none of us would have in our lives.
00:26:31.800 He is not just the top 1%,
00:26:34.600 he's the top one in 100,000, if you do the math.
00:26:38.160 For him to whine how marginalized he is
00:26:40.160 is a little bit gross to begin with.
00:26:42.440 But hate is a human emotion.
00:26:44.280 The idea that you can outlaw hate,
00:26:47.280 hate is hardwired in our minds,
00:26:50.100 and we don't want to indulge it.
00:26:51.200 We don't want to act on it violently.
00:26:53.860 We can transform it into something positive.
00:26:56.800 But the idea that you can ban this human emotion of hate,
00:26:59.680 I think that that argument has been allowed to take flight.
00:27:03.760 Mark Stein tried to rebut it by saying
00:27:05.280 hate speech is free speech, free speech is hate speech,
00:27:07.940 but I don't think most people even get it.
00:27:09.840 Was there any sense, did any of the MPs,
00:27:12.660 even the conservatives today,
00:27:14.500 have any understanding that, you know,
00:27:17.360 although hate is not a nice thing,
00:27:18.940 it is a natural human emotion.
00:27:21.120 And if you tell people to stop feeling a certain way,
00:27:24.160 they probably won't just stop feeling that certain way.
00:27:28.220 No, I honestly don't think any of them understood that.
00:27:31.440 And there was quite a powerful exchange right at the end
00:27:34.060 between the Liberal MP, Ali Asasi, and Mark Stein.
00:27:37.880 And I was so thankful for Mark Stein
00:27:39.620 for really sticking up for himself,
00:27:41.040 because I think the MPs saw me as the weakest link.
00:27:46.100 And I completely accept that
00:27:47.280 because John Robson and Mark Stein are established.
00:27:49.960 They're older.
00:27:50.900 They've done this before.
00:27:52.720 I'm pretty new to all this.
00:27:54.800 So I was the one to kind of attack.
00:27:59.260 And so I'm glad that Mark Stein
00:28:01.800 kind of got in a yelling match with one of them at the end.
00:28:04.820 Well, it's a yelling match
00:28:06.080 that will be thrown down the memory hole.
00:28:08.200 Well, I understand that the committee started off
00:28:09.980 by doing something that I would only call a Stalinist.
00:28:13.100 They literally voted
00:28:14.900 to expunge from the official transcript of Parliament
00:28:19.080 comments that Michael Cooper made last week
00:28:22.000 about in a debate with some Muslim censor.
00:28:25.660 And you can agree or disagree with Michael Cooper.
00:28:27.720 I frankly don't understand what he did wrong.
00:28:29.900 He corrected a false allegation
00:28:32.940 against conservatives made by the Muslim censor. 0.59
00:28:35.740 But, you know, he said what he said.
00:28:37.280 It's on the record that he said it.
00:28:39.120 And for those words to be expunged from the record
00:28:43.340 is like Stalin taking a photograph
00:28:46.720 of someone who's been unpersoned,
00:28:49.140 cutting it out like they did before Photoshop.
00:28:52.500 They literally delete people from photographs.
00:28:56.420 The fact that a committee studying censorship
00:28:59.020 censored one of its own
00:29:01.000 to me is the perfect and horrible
00:29:03.740 microcosm of this whole thing.
00:29:06.460 These people will only come to censorship
00:29:09.560 if, and again, the conservative MPs,
00:29:12.940 it sounds like, we're just fine with this.
00:29:16.040 Yeah, well, with the Cooper situation,
00:29:18.560 so the person he supposedly attacked,
00:29:21.700 I think his name is Faisal Khansuri,
00:29:23.960 and that person, Suri, said,
00:29:26.940 like, no Canadian should have their hands 1.00
00:29:29.080 on the Christchurch manifesto.
00:29:30.840 It's banned in New Zealand, etc.
00:29:32.920 But isn't it completely appropriate
00:29:35.120 for an MP studying online hate
00:29:38.980 to be familiar with some,
00:29:41.280 like an online hate document?
00:29:42.860 Isn't that completely appropriate?
00:29:44.360 It's very strange.
00:29:45.500 Well, shouldn't all of us have that power?
00:29:47.240 And just because some guy doesn't like it,
00:29:49.660 we're allowed to study things,
00:29:53.640 and I just, I find it incredible.
00:29:55.280 You know, I should tell you, Lindsay,
00:29:56.220 I'm obviously older than you.
00:29:57.640 You're just out of school yourself.
00:30:02.240 When I first went through this battle myself
00:30:04.060 a dozen years ago
00:30:04.740 with the Danish Cartoons of Mohammed,
00:30:06.460 there was a survey of Canadian journalists
00:30:08.700 done by a reputable pollster called Compass,
00:30:12.380 and they called actual working journalists,
00:30:15.100 so it wasn't even like a poll.
00:30:16.800 It was like they just called journalists.
00:30:18.300 And 70%, 7-0% of working journalists in Canada
00:30:24.600 back a dozen years ago
00:30:26.700 said that not only was I right
00:30:29.240 to have published the Danish Cartoons of Mohammed,
00:30:31.520 but every newspaper should have done so too.
00:30:34.320 Their own newspaper should have done so too.
00:30:36.520 I am certain that if that poll were to be done today
00:30:40.200 about your remarks, the rebel,
00:30:43.500 about anything controversial,
00:30:45.480 that it would be 70% against, if not more.
00:30:50.580 I think we have utterly lost the media party.
00:30:55.800 We've utterly lost the political class.
00:30:58.460 I feel like they're going in for the kill.
00:31:01.700 Five people speaking for freedom out of 57 witnesses,
00:31:05.840 expunging the record.
00:31:06.840 I feel the lights are going out in Canada now.
00:31:09.400 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:31:13.540 And I couldn't believe that these are the people
00:31:18.200 who are running the country,
00:31:20.080 you know, the MPs in that committee.
00:31:21.960 I kind of had that thought to myself.
00:31:23.420 I can't believe these are the people running the country
00:31:25.460 because they don't really have any intellectual depth.
00:31:28.540 They're not able to understand what's really going on here.
00:31:31.240 So that was very disappointing.
00:31:34.820 Or maybe, Lindsay, maybe they absolutely 100%
00:31:36.940 do understand what's going on.
00:31:38.340 Maybe they say, this girl's just an irritant. 1.00
00:31:40.760 She's a roadblock. 1.00
00:31:41.980 Bulldoze through her, bury her, go over her, go around her. 0.98
00:31:44.940 Maybe they know exactly what's going on.
00:31:47.160 And maybe they can look around
00:31:48.200 and see which way the wind is blowing
00:31:50.020 and realize the conservatives...
00:31:52.020 And I'm sorry, I mean, I know so many viewers
00:31:54.340 want to criticize Andrew Scheer and say,
00:31:55.860 hey, we've got to stop Justin Trudeau.
00:31:57.380 And they say, yeah, you're right.
00:31:58.380 But on this key, key, key issue, Andrew Scheer,
00:32:02.560 at best, is passive and silent.
00:32:05.960 And when his MPs...
00:32:07.480 Do you know when the names of the conservative MPs
00:32:09.640 there today, I didn't catch it.
00:32:11.120 Who are the conservative MPs who voted
00:32:12.460 to turn off the camera on you?
00:32:14.960 Michael Barrett was there.
00:32:18.340 I can't remember the other two names.
00:32:20.580 Well, I'll look it up.
00:32:21.360 What a disgrace that is,
00:32:23.360 that actual conservative MPs
00:32:25.360 would vote to turn the camera off on you.
00:32:27.780 And these are the people,
00:32:29.160 these are the people who we pay to oppose
00:32:31.480 Justin Trudeau.
00:32:33.400 They don't really want to oppose.
00:32:34.840 I'm pessimistic.
00:32:37.280 Lindsay, is there anything that gives you hope at all?
00:32:40.480 Is there any reason to be optimistic in this at all?
00:32:44.140 No, not really.
00:32:44.900 I mean, I was actually very disturbed
00:32:46.420 by the liberal and NDP MPs
00:32:49.320 because they would...
00:32:50.580 You know, they were basically insinuating,
00:32:52.540 I'm a Nazi.
00:32:53.300 One of the liberals told me something like...
00:32:56.300 He looked me dead in the eye
00:32:57.320 and he's like,
00:32:57.640 don't forget who the real Nazis are 0.84
00:32:59.360 or something like that.
00:33:00.220 I'll have to review.
00:33:02.080 And then, like these...
00:33:04.420 Not him necessarily,
00:33:05.580 but these same MPs,
00:33:06.660 the liberal, the NDP,
00:33:07.940 then they walk by you
00:33:09.020 at the end of the session
00:33:09.740 and they're like,
00:33:10.460 thank you so much for coming.
00:33:11.580 And they give you a smile.
00:33:12.760 And it's just...
00:33:13.220 I know that's what politicians do, 0.90
00:33:15.360 but it's very disturbing
00:33:16.200 to be at the receiving end like that.
00:33:20.380 You know, you just attacked me
00:33:21.500 and then you say,
00:33:22.240 oh, thanks so much.
00:33:23.460 Yeah, well, I mean,
00:33:24.120 politicians and fakeness,
00:33:25.420 that's no surprise.
00:33:26.540 But what's...
00:33:28.560 And I'm not even worried
00:33:29.900 so much about their politeness
00:33:31.420 or their gross lack of social mores
00:33:34.220 to turn the cameras off on you.
00:33:35.880 What I'm actually worried about
00:33:36.740 is the substance of it.
00:33:39.100 And it sounds like you,
00:33:41.100 John Robson and Mark Stein,
00:33:42.240 were testifying to deaf ears.
00:33:46.960 And maybe if you said something powerful,
00:33:49.000 who knows?
00:33:49.800 Maybe they'll vote to delete that
00:33:51.120 from the parliamentary record too.
00:33:52.400 Lindsay, we're very glad to have you on.
00:33:54.120 Can I take 30 more seconds
00:33:55.180 before we let you go?
00:33:55.960 It's been a while since we've seen you.
00:33:57.420 Are you at liberty to tell us anything
00:33:59.440 about your lawsuit against Laurier University?
00:34:02.320 We love your lawyer, Howard Leavitt.
00:34:03.840 I think he's one of the best in the country.
00:34:05.720 And I thought you suing Laurier
00:34:07.880 was just the cherry on the cake.
00:34:10.020 Can you tell us anything about that?
00:34:11.580 Or even is it still proceeding?
00:34:14.240 Have they...
00:34:14.940 Is it going to court?
00:34:16.060 How is that coming along?
00:34:17.800 Yeah, I mean, it's almost been...
00:34:19.380 One year since it's been filed.
00:34:22.440 But there is still no statement of defense
00:34:24.840 from Laurier.
00:34:26.780 Well, that's very unusual.
00:34:27.960 I'm sure Howard Leavitt knows what he's doing.
00:34:30.560 He's a very sophisticated lawyer.
00:34:31.900 But that does sound odd.
00:34:34.360 And I wonder if the university is delaying.
00:34:37.400 Well, I wish you good luck in that.
00:34:38.600 You are a freedom fighter.
00:34:40.480 And we hope you stay strong.
00:34:42.100 Thanks, Lindsay.
00:34:43.220 Thanks so much.
00:34:43.800 Well, I should tell you that today
00:34:45.580 when Lindsay, John Robson, and Mark Stein
00:34:48.000 were testifying at Parliament,
00:34:50.240 our own David Menzies was down there on the scene.
00:34:53.520 And he did a great interview with Mark Stein
00:34:56.460 outside Parliament.
00:34:57.880 Afterwards, you can find that full interview
00:35:00.000 elsewhere on our website.
00:35:02.440 Stay with us.
00:35:03.260 More ahead.
00:35:03.620 Hey, welcome back.
00:35:15.680 On my monologue yesterday about Trudeau
00:35:17.140 bringing back Section 13
00:35:18.780 of the Canadian Human Rights Act,
00:35:20.120 Michael writes,
00:35:20.780 Just how far we have fallen
00:35:22.840 since Canada was granted independence
00:35:25.000 from Britain in 1867.
00:35:26.900 In 1689, British rights were codified
00:35:29.280 as including the freedom of speech
00:35:30.860 and debates or proceedings in Parliament
00:35:32.300 ought not to be impeached
00:35:33.460 or questioned in any court or place
00:35:34.980 out of Parliament.
00:35:36.560 Through the Act of Settlement 1701
00:35:38.200 as British subjects,
00:35:39.280 all those rights were acknowledged
00:35:40.420 as inherited by British citizens.
00:35:43.180 Well, Michael, I'll take your word for it
00:35:44.660 that those laws are as you described them.
00:35:47.000 They ring true to me.
00:35:48.480 Look, a law is only as good
00:35:51.820 as the people who are custodians of the law.
00:35:54.840 I should tell you that on paper,
00:35:56.720 there were elements of the Soviet Constitution
00:36:00.520 that were impressive on paper.
00:36:03.720 And in some other ways,
00:36:05.960 you could say the UK didn't have
00:36:07.660 a formal single document constitution,
00:36:10.900 but which was the truly free place.
00:36:13.460 You need a constitution
00:36:14.820 to have life breathed into it
00:36:16.880 in every generation
00:36:17.780 by people who keep the spirit
00:36:20.220 of the document alive.
00:36:23.440 Yeah, I mean,
00:36:24.400 it would be nice
00:36:25.220 if we had stronger laws,
00:36:26.960 but when the laws are ruled over
00:36:28.560 by a partisan judiciary
00:36:30.980 and when Parliament does
00:36:32.520 what it's been doing,
00:36:33.420 including today
00:36:34.080 with Mark Stein and Lindsay Shepard,
00:36:36.520 it doesn't matter
00:36:37.360 what's written on a piece of paper.
00:36:38.480 You're lost.
00:36:40.420 Hal writes,
00:36:40.980 I hope we learn in politics
00:36:42.980 as conservatives
00:36:43.780 that bending one's knee
00:36:45.060 only gets us closer
00:36:45.940 to the Liberal Party.
00:36:47.020 What scares me in the nightmares
00:36:47.980 is Scheer becoming our Prime Minister
00:36:49.360 and being a globalist.
00:36:51.860 Well, globalist is just the opposite
00:36:53.440 of a nationalist,
00:36:54.440 but globalist implies
00:36:55.360 an anti-democratic streak also,
00:36:57.540 and that you're in league
00:36:59.080 with people who have certain views
00:37:00.220 on everything from global warming
00:37:01.380 to censorship.
00:37:02.320 It's not his globalism
00:37:05.300 that worries me that much.
00:37:06.780 That wouldn't be my chief accusation
00:37:08.540 against Scheer.
00:37:09.620 It's that he doesn't have
00:37:10.600 the fight in him,
00:37:11.920 how he caved in for Michael Cooper,
00:37:13.940 how today the conservatives
00:37:15.800 on the Justice Committee
00:37:16.740 actually voted
00:37:17.540 to turn off the TV cameras
00:37:19.400 for their own witnesses,
00:37:20.840 Lindsay Shepard, Mark Stein,
00:37:21.820 and John Robson.
00:37:23.180 If you didn't want them
00:37:24.960 to speak to the public,
00:37:25.960 why did you invite them
00:37:26.800 to Parliament?
00:37:27.620 If you don't believe
00:37:28.860 in free speech,
00:37:29.660 why are you pretending?
00:37:30.680 This scares me very much,
00:37:32.500 and the campaign
00:37:32.960 hasn't even started in a new list.
00:37:35.920 Robert writes,
00:37:37.580 maybe Smiling Andy
00:37:38.680 might stiffen his resolve
00:37:41.120 if he gets elected,
00:37:42.120 as Jason Kenney seems to have.
00:37:45.020 Really?
00:37:46.420 On what basis would you say that?
00:37:49.560 If anything,
00:37:50.600 we've seen Andrew Scheer
00:37:51.880 weaken himself since,
00:37:54.220 if you recall his leadership campaign,
00:37:56.640 he talked about free speech
00:37:57.760 and traditional conservative ideas.
00:38:00.680 He abandoned them pretty quick
00:38:02.120 upon being a leader.
00:38:03.120 Now he's talking about
00:38:04.080 he wants the CBC, for example,
00:38:05.980 to have more Canadian content.
00:38:07.660 Yeah, that wasn't in your policy, buddy.
00:38:09.820 And free speech
00:38:10.640 has just been totally deleted.
00:38:11.940 I'm worried.
00:38:12.660 I'm sorry, I'm worried.
00:38:13.720 I'm worried.
00:38:15.360 On my interview with Mark Morano,
00:38:16.920 Jerry writes,
00:38:18.140 how about a cage match 0.99
00:38:18.960 between Ole Yeller
00:38:19.720 and Mark Morano
00:38:20.880 over climate change?
00:38:22.740 Well, I'll give Ole Yeller this.
00:38:25.200 She is fit.
00:38:26.400 She's always running around,
00:38:27.520 or at least it sure seems that way,
00:38:28.940 because she's one of those people
00:38:30.380 who never does anything
00:38:32.240 without having her social media team there.
00:38:34.640 We learned that extends
00:38:36.780 even to her drunken rants
00:38:38.040 in St. John's bars.
00:38:39.740 So, I don't know.
00:38:41.240 I mean, Mark's looking pretty fit these days.
00:38:43.260 He's lost some weight.
00:38:44.260 He's looking and fighting for him.
00:38:45.660 But I wouldn't rule out Catherine McKenna.
00:38:49.360 And, yeah,
00:38:50.660 I think that would be a fair fight.
00:38:52.560 I'd be curious to see that.
00:38:54.220 Maybe we can have that
00:38:55.980 as part of the welcome festivities
00:38:57.840 when the garbage ship
00:38:59.140 finally arrives from the Philippines.
00:39:01.440 Well, folks,
00:39:02.020 that's the show for today.
00:39:03.080 On behalf of all of us here
00:39:04.120 at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:39:05.800 keep fighting for freedom
00:39:06.940 while you still have it.
00:39:07.800 We'll see you next time.
00:39:17.480 We'll see you next time.