Rebel News Podcast - Trudeau's Elections Commissioner is investigating me for writing The Libranos, so I taped the entire interrogation

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Very special show today. It's footage, but you'll obviously have the audio,

00:00:06.720 of when I was interrogated by two federal investigators about my book, The Libranos.

00:00:13.360 Just shocking. I really want to encourage you to see the video version of this, because I brought a

00:00:18.920 secret camera in with me as I was interrogated. So you can hear it, of course, but it's a little

00:00:25.740 muffled. We have subtitles on the video version. To get the video version of all my shows, become a

00:00:32.360 premium subscriber. It's eight bucks a month. That's not bad. Go to premium.rebelnews.com.

00:00:38.840 Premium.rebelnews.com. Okay, here's the podcast version.

00:00:55.740 Tonight, I was interrogated by two federal investigators for my book about Justin Trudeau.

00:01:03.460 Little did they know, I videoed the whole thing. It's January 29th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:12.260 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:16.040 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the

00:01:21.620 government, but why I publish it? It's because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:30.880 Hello, and I'm sorry that tonight's show was posted a little bit late. We've been working

00:01:35.600 feverishly on it all day. It's, in the main, a hidden camera video of when two federal investigators

00:01:45.640 grilled me at their Ottawa headquarters about my book,

00:01:50.260 The Libranos, and the promotion of that book. We have a special video presentation for you based

00:01:56.180 on that hidden camera video of my own interrogation. And then I sit down with one of my favorite

00:02:02.800 lawyers, our free speech lawyers that fought against Trudeau's debates commission in October,

00:02:08.640 and he'll give me advice on how to fight back against this intrusion by Justin Trudeau. So sit

00:02:16.820 back and enjoy, if that's the word, an extended video from the interrogation, and then my conversation

00:02:26.380 with Aaron Rosenberg. Here are those.

00:02:29.640 I wrote a book called The Libranos, What the Media Won't Tell You About Justin Trudeau's Corruption.

00:02:34.480 During the election, it hit number two on the Amazon bestseller list with rave reviews.

00:02:39.660 Justin Trudeau did not like that. So over Christmas, I received this letter from the

00:02:44.700 government by registered mail, accusing me of breaking the law and demanding that I meet

00:02:49.640 with investigators. And if I didn't, I'd get in deeper trouble. You can read that letter for

00:02:54.780 yourself at SaveRebelNews.com. So last week, I went to Ottawa to be interrogated at the high

00:03:01.400 security headquarters of Elections Canada. I was curious, were they really serious? Were

00:03:06.280 they really going to investigate me and prosecute me and fine me, maybe even jail me for writing

00:03:12.080 a book that criticized their boss during an election? Yes. The senior investigator actually

00:03:19.580 told me that by choosing to publish my book during the election, that made it an illegal campaign

00:03:25.040 activity. Here, take a look. You did a blurb online that I watched, and you speak about,

00:03:32.160 of course, that it was released in time for the election. Which, if that's your position today,

00:03:39.280 that wouldn't allow you to have the exemption for advertising for a book.

00:03:44.080 Yeah, I think I know why they told me I wasn't allowed to videotape my interrogation.

00:03:50.400 And just to be clear, because of the security features in this area here,

00:03:54.600 I know a video recording will be allowed. Thanks for the suggestion, but one thing I've learned

00:03:59.640 from kangaroo courts is that no one will believe how bad they are unless they see it with their own

00:04:04.840 eyes. So instead of telling you how it went, let me show you. I recorded almost an hour of footage,

00:04:11.420 so I'll put it online in a series of videos. This is the first. I'll put the rest up at

00:04:16.780 saverebelnews.com. And while you're there, please consider helping me cover my legal bills,

00:04:22.760 because these guys are deadly serious. They have at least five federal investigators on the case.

00:04:28.400 How many investigators are on this file? So far, it's four people that have been in touch with me

00:04:33.540 from your office, plus an anonymous email. How many people do you have on this project?

00:04:40.680 Do you have some flows? It all depends.

00:04:42.140 So it might even grow larger than four people?

00:04:45.880 I'm not sure. I'm not sure how many there actually are on the file. We've been asked today

00:04:50.640 to meet with you and to collect the facts that we'll give back to the main investigator,

00:04:54.760 which is Louise Panton, who will write up her report based on the knowledge that we have,

00:05:00.620 so that she can inform the commissioner, so he can make an informed decision as to

00:05:04.240 if there was, in fact, a breach of the law.

00:05:08.760 Four cops plus the boss. And I really mean cops, former senior RCMP officers. My interrogation was

00:05:16.800 conducted by Tim Mackin, a 30-year veteran of the RCMP, where he worked on terrorism cases.

00:05:23.740 And Paul Couture, also a 30-year veteran of the RCMP, who also worked on terrorism cases.

00:05:30.820 That's who was interrogating me. They wouldn't give me their business cards, but I managed to

00:05:35.680 take a photo of their ID. So yeah, I have to lawyer up. If you can help me, please do at

00:05:41.440 SaveRebelNews.com. Anyways, when we sat down, I actually asked the first question to the cops.

00:05:47.880 What exactly was the complaint against me? I'd come all the way to Ottawa to defend myself

00:05:52.980 against some complaint, but they hadn't shown it to me yet, so I didn't know what I had supposedly

00:05:58.300 done wrong. Take a look at this.

00:05:59.980 Can I see the complaint against me?

00:06:03.880 The letter that you received?

00:06:05.560 No. I presume that you're investigating me based on a complaint.

00:06:09.760 Oh, this is still part of the investigation, so we'll have to, once the investigation's been

00:06:14.460 completed, the commissioner will have to make a decision. At that point, he'll have to decide

00:06:20.740 if that is releasable or not. It's not something that usually is released, no.

00:06:24.880 So it's a secret complaint?

00:06:26.660 It's not a secret complaint. It's just a complaint that's part of the investigation.

00:06:30.340 And to keep the integrity of the investigation right now, you'll understand that we can't

00:06:36.400 share everything that we have.

00:06:37.960 Oh, I don't want everything that you have. I just, if I'm here to meet a complaint, but

00:06:43.580 you won't show me the complaint, how can I possibly meet the complaint? How can I possibly

00:06:48.920 respond to something that you won't show me?

00:06:53.840 Well, I think the letter was quite clear on what we're, what the infraction is, is alleged,

00:06:59.040 and this is what we want to clarify with you.

00:07:02.260 Well, did you generate the complaint, or was it from an outside party?

00:07:06.580 No, we didn't generate the complaint.

00:07:08.120 Okay, so someone, so someone external to your office generated the complaint?

00:07:14.020 That is usually the case.

00:07:15.520 Is that the case in this case?

00:07:16.720 Yes, yeah. Yeah, we did not generate the complaint.

00:07:19.120 Okay, was it the Liberal Party that generated the complaint?

00:07:21.480 We can't go into that, sir.

00:07:22.900 So you won't tell me who the complaint is?

00:07:27.060 The complainant is, is that the secret?

00:07:28.640 Yeah, no, not at this point.

00:07:30.580 So at what point do you tell me who the secret complaint is?

00:07:32.600 The commissioner is the ultimate responsible person for the investigation and how this is

00:07:40.520 decided.

00:07:40.960 So how do I know what I've, what conduct has been complained about if you won't tell me?

00:07:46.820 Now this went on for some time.

00:07:48.520 They kept referring to their Christmastime letter to me about the complaint, but not the

00:07:54.300 complaint itself, if it even exists.

00:07:56.440 So I got a little bit lippy, I admit.

00:07:58.460 They were conducting a secret interrogation of me based on a secret complaint.

00:08:02.820 So I told them two could play at that game.

00:08:05.780 I have my secrets too.

00:08:08.080 Like my name.

00:08:09.140 My name is Paul Couture, spelled C-O-U-T-U-R-E.

00:08:13.700 I will ask my colleague to please identify himself for the recording.

00:08:16.440 My name is Tim Macken.

00:08:19.000 And sir, could you, just for recording, advice who you are?

00:08:22.560 Well, it's a secret.

00:08:24.960 I'm, I don't know if I can tell you that secret.

00:08:31.600 Just for the recording, we have with us Mr. Levant, who registered at the front office.

00:08:35.980 I saw when he registered, so.

00:08:37.920 I suppose I should have left the meeting right there.

00:08:40.400 It was obviously a trap.

00:08:42.200 These two cops kept saying the door was unlocked and I could just walk out.

00:08:47.040 I'm here under protest.

00:08:49.060 I believe that this is contrary to the statute.

00:08:55.840 And I think it may actually be contrary to the Constitution.

00:09:02.840 Can I just interject for a second here?

00:09:04.720 I just want to put it on the record that I'm here under protest.

00:09:08.920 You understand that you can leave at any time, sir?

00:09:11.020 Yes, but I've also...

00:09:11.540 You're free to answer or not the questions that we may have.

00:09:14.500 We're here to have a discussion to clarify the issues that were mentioned in the letter to your attention.

00:09:20.660 Do you have a copy of the letter in front of you?

00:09:22.080 I actually do, sir.

00:09:23.200 Thank you.

00:09:23.620 Okay, that'll save me from digging it up.

00:09:25.240 So, understand that the door is unlocked.

00:09:28.340 You can leave at any time.

00:09:29.340 You're certainly free to stay or to leave.

00:09:31.860 We have no issues with that.

00:09:33.520 But I wanted to find out more from them.

00:09:36.740 I mean, whoever heard of an author being interrogated by police?

00:09:40.580 That's how they do it in China or Iran, not Canada.

00:09:43.700 So, they wouldn't show me the complaint.

00:09:46.240 Okay, well, what documents did they expect from me?

00:09:50.360 Were they going to go through my editorial notes?

00:09:53.380 What did they want from me?

00:09:54.700 Okay.

00:09:55.180 What documents, if any, do you want from me?

00:10:00.820 At this point, I'm not sure.

00:10:02.480 We need to have a conversation to understand what your point of view was on the actual signs

00:10:08.260 and determine when they were actually produced and to what means.

00:10:17.000 And from there, we'll see later if you have any documentation that you want to provide us,

00:10:20.700 we'll be more than happy to accept whatever you want to provide.

00:10:24.160 Well, I don't want to provide you anything because I think this is an unlawful investigation.

00:10:30.520 I think it's political in nature.

00:10:33.180 I think it's probably unconstitutional.

00:10:36.080 So, I don't want to provide you with anything.

00:10:39.440 I'm here under protest.

00:10:41.480 I didn't want to come here.

00:10:43.400 But your letter made it clear that coming here would reduce any penalties.

00:10:49.320 So, it makes sense for me to come here.

00:10:52.020 But I come here under some duress.

00:10:54.660 So, I'm asking you if you want any documents.

00:10:57.140 And you're dancing around.

00:10:59.260 Do you want my documents?

00:11:00.200 I don't want to give you anything.

00:11:02.500 But I'm asking you if you want my documents.

00:11:06.840 And you won't say so.

00:11:08.220 Why are you being so strange about this?

00:11:11.260 Do you want any documents or not?

00:11:12.640 And we don't know if we need documents or not right now at this point.

00:11:18.300 Okay.

00:11:18.760 So, you don't want any documents at this point.

00:11:21.000 Not today.

00:11:24.000 Do you know now if you will want documents at a later day?

00:11:27.400 I am not the lead investigator in this file, sir.

00:11:29.280 I'm here to gather some facts for today and report back to the lead investigator.

00:11:33.180 And if she determines that she would want an offering.

00:11:35.900 So, you don't know anything.

00:11:37.440 You don't know anything.

00:11:38.700 It felt like a Kafkaesque nightmare.

00:11:41.460 Why did they call me there?

00:11:43.280 It felt like they were playing games.

00:11:45.060 What do you think?

00:11:46.360 Who was pulling the strings?

00:11:47.520 These 30-year RCMP veterans.

00:11:50.780 Well, they sounded like errand boys for someone else.

00:11:54.840 I was getting a bit frustrated.

00:11:56.720 Will you subpoena my documents if I don't give them to you?

00:12:01.100 I can't speak on that, sir.

00:12:02.640 I'm not the lead investigator here.

00:12:04.060 So, you might subpoena my documents.

00:12:06.240 You won't rule it out.

00:12:08.080 Like I said, I'm not the lead investigator in this file.

00:12:11.520 It sounds like they sent the sandwich boy down.

00:12:13.880 It sounds like they sent the intern down.

00:12:15.300 Are you his boss?

00:12:16.100 Can you answer any of these things?

00:12:19.680 Like, do you want documents or not?

00:12:21.380 Why can't you just say that?

00:12:24.260 So, Mr. Levant, why don't we just cross the first portion,

00:12:29.840 which is if you are representing Rebel News Network.

00:12:33.800 That's a secret.

00:12:34.780 Because you said it was a secret.

00:12:36.940 Yeah, I'll tell you my secret if you tell me your secret.

00:12:40.640 And the thing is, you actually have an obligation to tell me your secret.

00:12:43.540 Your secret is, what's the complaint here?

00:12:45.740 How can I push back against a complaint you won't show me?

00:12:49.920 How do you think that's going to look in court

00:12:51.200 when we take this to a judicial review?

00:12:54.480 You invited me down here.

00:12:56.420 You won't tell me what documents you want,

00:12:58.480 or if you even want them.

00:12:59.940 You won't tell me who complained.

00:13:01.680 You won't show me the complaint.

00:13:04.100 And you're saying it's a secret.

00:13:08.360 Do you know what that looks like?

00:13:10.000 I'm here to answer a secret complaint.

00:13:12.160 How can I answer it if I don't see it?

00:13:13.560 Do you want to take a break and get some permission from your mom or whoever

00:13:19.280 to show me the document?

00:13:20.500 Do you need to meet with the boss?

00:13:25.240 No?

00:13:27.540 So you've been instructed not to show me the complaint.

00:13:31.480 I said the complaint is part of the investigation,

00:13:34.220 and it's not something that we release while the investigation is ongoing.

00:13:38.580 So how can I possibly respond to a secret complaint?

00:13:45.800 We have indicated what is part of the complaint.

00:13:48.800 There's not a word in here from the complaint.

00:13:50.920 This is your words.

00:13:52.360 Yes.

00:13:52.740 So frustrating, but here's the weirdest part.

00:13:55.320 We all know that writing books during elections is not illegal.

00:13:58.780 In fact, that's when many political books are published.

00:14:02.160 There were plenty of pro-Trudeau books published at the same time as mine.

00:14:06.420 The Election Act specifically exempts books and the promotion of books from the law.

00:14:11.380 And in their threat letter to me,

00:14:13.020 they actually quote the section that proves I'm exempt.

00:14:16.100 Look at this.

00:14:17.860 I have never seen a letter of accusation,

00:14:21.660 a threat letter before from any public authority

00:14:25.620 that contains within it a defense against the accusation.

00:14:32.580 I'm talking about the paragraph on the second page by Milain Gijoux

00:14:37.120 that says,

00:14:39.520 as you may know,

00:14:42.020 the definition of election advertising in the Act

00:14:43.760 contains examples of some communications

00:14:45.460 that could promote or oppose a registered party or candidate,

00:14:48.860 but that do not constitute election advertising

00:14:51.520 among those examples.

00:14:53.340 These examples is one that applies to the promotion of the sale of a book

00:14:56.080 if the book was planned to be made available to the public

00:14:58.600 regardless of whether there is to be election.

00:15:00.600 So right in your letter,

00:15:02.600 you show me

00:15:05.060 the books and the promotion of books

00:15:07.000 are exempt.

00:15:08.620 I've never seen a cop pull me over

00:15:11.400 and say,

00:15:12.020 you were speeding,

00:15:13.320 but I've got to tell you my radar gun's broken,

00:15:15.160 so you probably weren't speeding.

00:15:16.580 You say,

00:15:17.840 you accused me of breaking the law,

00:15:19.740 but right in your own letter,

00:15:21.600 you show that I'm not.

00:15:22.680 So why am I here?

00:15:24.120 We are not investigating the book

00:15:25.800 nor the contents of the book.

00:15:27.300 You have the,

00:15:28.280 and it says right here,

00:15:29.300 or the promotion of a book.

00:15:30.720 The promotion of the sale of a book

00:15:33.280 is exempt.

00:15:34.360 We need to determine if the signage

00:15:36.000 was actually promotion of the book

00:15:37.600 or was it political advertising?

00:15:40.360 There,

00:15:40.680 there's three words on the sign.

00:15:43.060 There's three words on the sign.

00:15:45.200 You need help figuring out what they mean?

00:15:50.520 You,

00:15:51.040 you can't understand what that sign means.

00:15:56.640 Look,

00:15:57.200 we promoted the book in a dozen ways.

00:16:00.480 Posters,

00:16:01.320 coffee mugs,

00:16:02.260 t-shirts,

00:16:03.280 videos,

00:16:04.300 fun lawn signs,

00:16:05.560 a giant billboard.

00:16:07.600 And the law exempts it all.

00:16:09.880 Books and the promotion of books.

00:16:12.460 Now,

00:16:12.680 several times these cops said

00:16:14.000 that they weren't actually interested

00:16:15.560 in investigating my book.

00:16:17.860 It's just my promotion of the book

00:16:19.560 that said,

00:16:20.160 buy the book.

00:16:21.400 But after initially denying it,

00:16:23.340 these guys really did grill me

00:16:24.940 about my book itself

00:16:26.440 and even about our staff at Rebel News

00:16:29.500 and how we hire them.

00:16:31.480 For example,

00:16:32.340 they asked me about my planning for the book,

00:16:35.560 not for the advertising,

00:16:36.500 but for the book.

00:16:38.240 And that's something that you,

00:16:39.420 you may want to discuss with us or not

00:16:41.100 to see if the book had been planned ahead of time

00:16:42.900 or for the purpose of the election.

00:16:45.960 That's something that,

00:16:47.000 uh,

00:16:47.400 planned ahead of time.

00:16:48.600 What,

00:16:48.960 what's the basis for that question

00:16:50.920 in,

00:16:51.500 in the law?

00:16:52.600 Well,

00:16:52.780 the law says

00:16:53.440 that if the book

00:16:54.640 is exempted

00:16:56.180 regardless of whether

00:16:58.080 there was to be an election

00:16:59.240 or available to the public.

00:17:01.680 Yeah,

00:17:02.080 so what's,

00:17:02.400 what's,

00:17:02.940 what's planned,

00:17:03.700 what's this planned ahead of time business?

00:17:05.720 You just made that up.

00:17:07.440 It's right here,

00:17:08.240 sir.

00:17:08.600 Well,

00:17:08.880 how can,

00:17:09.460 how can you publish a book

00:17:10.760 without planning it ahead of time?

00:17:12.000 Do you think it just happened spontaneously?

00:17:13.120 With the timing,

00:17:13.660 with the timing of the elections,

00:17:15.020 for the purpose of the elections.

00:17:16.280 You know we have fixed election dates,

00:17:19.280 more or less.

00:17:19.720 I certainly do.

00:17:29.920 So he's asking why I wrote my book

00:17:32.640 when I did.

00:17:35.060 Justin Trudeau's police

00:17:36.680 are asking me

00:17:37.920 why I wrote a book about Justin Trudeau

00:17:40.580 when Justin Trudeau

00:17:42.020 was in an election campaign.

00:17:43.760 They asked me all sorts of questions

00:17:45.000 about the book.

00:17:46.000 Can we speak about

00:17:46.800 your communications plan for the book,

00:17:48.200 your marketing for the book?

00:17:49.040 Well,

00:17:49.480 I'll listen to your questions.

00:17:53.500 To see clarity?

00:17:54.260 I'll listen to your questions.

00:17:57.100 We just wondered

00:17:57.880 if you had a communication plan

00:17:59.540 or a marketing plan.

00:18:01.160 What was your marketing plan, sir?

00:18:02.720 Did you do it all yourself?

00:18:03.840 Did you have a team?

00:18:04.720 Remember,

00:18:05.140 these guys weren't asking

00:18:06.400 out of curiosity.

00:18:08.220 They were building

00:18:08.900 a legal case against me.

00:18:10.720 But why only against me?

00:18:13.440 I got,

00:18:13.820 I got a question for you.

00:18:14.740 I've answered a few

00:18:15.300 your questions now.

00:18:16.620 Have you investigated

00:18:17.740 any of the other authors

00:18:19.540 who published books

00:18:20.980 about Trudeau

00:18:21.680 at the exact same time as me?

00:18:23.560 Have you invested John,

00:18:24.520 I've investigated

00:18:25.420 John Iverson's book

00:18:26.340 or Aaron Wary's book?

00:18:28.020 There's over 24 books

00:18:29.300 that were published

00:18:29.800 around that period.

00:18:30.780 You haven't answered my question.

00:18:31.760 Have you investigated

00:18:32.500 John Iverson

00:18:33.220 or Aaron Wary's books?

00:18:34.560 I haven't.

00:18:35.800 Have you?

00:18:36.480 I haven't.

00:18:37.120 Yeah.

00:18:37.340 Is anyone in your office

00:18:38.140 investigating any other books

00:18:39.360 about Justin Trudeau

00:18:40.280 or just the book

00:18:41.040 that's critical of them?

00:18:42.460 Today we're here about

00:18:43.760 Rebel News Network Limited.

00:18:46.220 Oh, I know that.

00:18:47.440 And I'm just asking you

00:18:49.380 to confirm

00:18:49.960 that not a single other

00:18:53.320 loving book of Trudeau

00:18:55.020 is being investigated.

00:18:55.740 But once we're done,

00:18:56.660 if you believe

00:18:57.220 that there should be

00:18:57.840 complaints that are...

00:18:58.720 No, because I'm not

00:18:59.420 a censor like you. 0.84

00:19:00.700 I'm not a bully

00:19:01.960 and a censor.

00:19:03.140 I'm not a bureaucrat

00:19:04.120 looking to justify

00:19:05.320 my budget like you.

00:19:06.600 I go out and earn

00:19:07.340 my living every day, fella.

00:19:12.020 You call in authors

00:19:13.400 to grill them

00:19:14.880 about a book

00:19:15.340 criticizing your boss.

00:19:16.900 Think about who you are.

00:19:18.400 We call the director

00:19:19.260 of Rebel News Network Limited.

00:19:22.160 Yeah, who happens

00:19:22.600 to be the author

00:19:23.160 of the book.

00:19:24.460 I think there's going

00:19:25.360 to be a chapter

00:19:25.940 about you two fellas

00:19:27.220 in the next edition.

00:19:28.720 Do you have any

00:19:34.800 more questions there?

00:19:36.540 Certainly do.

00:19:37.860 Oh, he wasn't lying.

00:19:39.520 They weren't even

00:19:40.580 half done.

00:19:41.940 They started asking me

00:19:42.980 questions like,

00:19:44.460 why at Rebel News

00:19:46.000 do we hire people

00:19:47.500 who criticize

00:19:48.340 Justin Trudeau?

00:19:49.340 I'm serious.

00:19:50.060 All right, so moving forward.

00:19:53.200 So for the book,

00:19:55.500 you seek volunteers

00:19:57.400 that,

00:20:00.700 and without going back

00:20:01.620 to the tape

00:20:02.020 to get the exact quote,

00:20:04.180 that

00:20:04.580 wanted to have

00:20:08.720 had a certain

00:20:09.460 view on Trudeau

00:20:11.180 and Gerald Butts

00:20:11.980 and believed

00:20:13.980 in free speech

00:20:14.780 and that were

00:20:16.100 embarrassed

00:20:16.540 by the Prime Minister

00:20:17.740 Trudeau

00:20:18.780 in blackface

00:20:19.640 and you saw

00:20:20.440 that specific

00:20:21.340 type of person.

00:20:22.260 Is that correct?

00:20:23.380 Why are policemen

00:20:24.160 asking an author

00:20:25.140 and journalist

00:20:25.720 and broadcaster

00:20:26.520 about the political

00:20:27.860 leanings

00:20:28.440 of our staff?

00:20:29.380 I want to go back

00:20:31.660 when you were doing

00:20:32.540 your recruiting

00:20:33.140 for people

00:20:35.320 and how you

00:20:36.400 described it.

00:20:37.820 Can you go over that

00:20:38.420 again for me?

00:20:38.900 Who you were

00:20:39.260 the type of people

00:20:40.040 you were looking for?

00:20:40.840 So in that,

00:20:42.680 were they,

00:20:44.060 you were seeking

00:20:44.620 these people

00:20:45.260 for what purpose?

00:20:48.320 Could you explain

00:20:49.020 to us the type

00:20:49.720 of people

00:20:50.140 you were seeking?

00:20:51.280 What was the purpose?

00:20:52.160 At one point,

00:20:53.060 one of the cops

00:20:53.620 told me,

00:20:54.560 he has me dead

00:20:55.400 to rights.

00:20:56.020 He said I'm guilty.

00:20:57.480 In fact,

00:20:57.800 he told me exactly

00:20:58.740 what I said

00:20:59.680 that he thinks

00:21:00.580 convicts me.

00:21:01.600 And he even offered

00:21:02.600 me a chance

00:21:03.220 to unsay it.

00:21:05.080 So when you,

00:21:05.860 when you came

00:21:06.320 to your decision,

00:21:07.540 you're going to

00:21:07.960 author a book,

00:21:09.520 release a book,

00:21:11.020 in time for the election

00:21:12.120 and I don't have

00:21:12.800 your own words

00:21:13.460 but online you,

00:21:15.420 when you received

00:21:16.100 a letter from

00:21:16.920 Madame Gigou,

00:21:18.540 you did a,

00:21:19.920 a blurb online

00:21:21.160 that I watched

00:21:21.720 and you speak about

00:21:23.440 of course

00:21:23.960 that it was released

00:21:25.240 in time for the election.

00:21:27.500 Which if,

00:21:28.080 if that's your position

00:21:29.460 today,

00:21:30.600 that wouldn't allow

00:21:31.520 you to have

00:21:32.040 the exemption

00:21:32.640 for,

00:21:33.920 for advertising

00:21:34.800 for a book.

00:21:35.720 So that's why

00:21:36.340 we wanted to clarify

00:21:37.160 that with you.

00:21:38.540 Perhaps you were

00:21:39.180 misspoken

00:21:39.700 when you spoke online

00:21:40.560 or,

00:21:41.360 so we're here

00:21:42.400 to try to clarify.

00:21:43.460 So it's not about

00:21:44.440 the signs anymore.

00:21:46.040 That was a misdirection

00:21:47.260 and interrogation trick.

00:21:49.040 It's about the book.

00:21:50.500 That I dared to publish

00:21:51.480 a book during the election

00:21:52.660 so this cop says

00:21:54.240 I broke the law.

00:21:55.480 You heard him.

00:21:56.120 About 40 minutes

00:21:56.900 into the interrogation,

00:21:58.340 the one cop asked me

00:21:59.560 why I didn't

00:22:00.920 register my book

00:22:02.500 with the government.

00:22:03.420 He said that.

00:22:04.280 I'll let you hear

00:22:04.940 his exact words

00:22:05.920 and my answer to him.

00:22:07.580 The knowledge

00:22:08.260 that you would have

00:22:09.000 or not have

00:22:09.560 of the,

00:22:09.920 of the election act,

00:22:11.280 the Canada Elections Act,

00:22:12.940 when you

00:22:13.780 are planning the book

00:22:15.640 and you,

00:22:18.180 the,

00:22:18.420 the,

00:22:18.760 the new third party rules,

00:22:20.620 because I believe

00:22:21.020 there's some comments

00:22:21.700 on your set

00:22:22.220 as well

00:22:23.080 about that.

00:22:24.200 Did you give

00:22:24.680 any consideration

00:22:25.520 of saying

00:22:26.160 maybe I should

00:22:27.500 register as a third party

00:22:29.500 for this circumstance

00:22:30.500 or maybe I shouldn't

00:22:32.900 because of my interpretation

00:22:34.960 of what I'm going to do

00:22:35.780 or did you

00:22:36.940 not make that

00:22:38.840 determination?

00:22:40.740 Tim,

00:22:40.960 I appreciate the question.

00:22:42.300 Yeah,

00:22:42.480 I absolutely did think

00:22:43.560 about that

00:22:44.000 at great length.

00:22:47.900 Do you want to share

00:22:48.960 any of those thoughts?

00:22:51.340 Well,

00:22:51.500 sure,

00:22:51.660 some of them.

00:22:52.140 I mean,

00:22:52.740 I thought

00:22:53.200 the day

00:22:54.560 I register

00:22:55.920 with the government

00:22:58.200 to write a book

00:23:00.240 is the day

00:23:02.000 we no longer

00:23:03.140 are the true north

00:23:04.560 strong and free.

00:23:06.600 And if

00:23:07.260 Elections Canada's

00:23:09.280 commissioners

00:23:09.980 are stupid enough

00:23:11.580 to prosecute me

00:23:13.320 for writing,

00:23:14.900 publishing,

00:23:15.280 and promoting a book

00:23:16.140 about an election

00:23:17.040 during an election,

00:23:18.720 then that's an important

00:23:19.820 fight to have

00:23:20.820 because we need

00:23:22.360 to roll back

00:23:23.020 these pencil-neck

00:23:24.100 bureaucrats

00:23:24.780 and their blackface boss 0.74

00:23:26.180 and we need

00:23:27.800 to remind them

00:23:28.600 that we're still

00:23:29.320 a free country.

00:23:30.500 So I thought about it

00:23:31.480 long and hard,

00:23:32.280 Tim.

00:23:32.560 This cop asked me

00:23:33.640 if I had any message

00:23:34.660 to take back

00:23:35.680 to his boss,

00:23:36.860 the commissioner.

00:23:38.440 What would you

00:23:39.100 have said?

00:23:40.500 Here's what I said.

00:23:41.560 I don't even understand

00:23:42.780 what I've been

00:23:43.520 accused of doing.

00:23:44.900 I don't understand

00:23:45.720 who accused me.

00:23:46.920 I don't understand

00:23:47.720 when.

00:23:48.160 So this is a,

00:23:51.300 frankly,

00:23:52.040 this is a star chamber

00:23:53.320 that is illegal.

00:23:55.680 I'm here because,

00:23:56.880 really,

00:23:57.160 I wanted to ask

00:23:57.700 a few questions

00:23:58.340 about what you're

00:23:59.180 going to do

00:23:59.440 if I don't give you

00:24:00.000 documents.

00:24:00.780 You wouldn't answer.

00:24:02.180 I wanted to ask

00:24:02.960 who complained.

00:24:03.620 You wouldn't answer.

00:24:04.380 I wanted to see

00:24:04.840 the complaint.

00:24:05.300 You wouldn't answer.

00:24:07.820 I wanted to check

00:24:08.740 you guys out,

00:24:09.380 learn a little bit

00:24:09.860 of how many folks

00:24:10.440 are on the file.

00:24:11.440 You didn't really

00:24:11.920 answer,

00:24:12.280 but I can count.

00:24:13.620 I guess my message

00:24:16.040 to the commissioner

00:24:16.720 is,

00:24:17.960 I don't even know

00:24:20.500 who it is,

00:24:21.340 to be honest,

00:24:23.400 but that'll change.

00:24:27.760 And,

00:24:28.200 I guess my message

00:24:31.860 is every ounce

00:24:33.920 of energy I have,

00:24:35.020 every dollar I have

00:24:36.420 and can raise,

00:24:37.960 every trick of the

00:24:39.640 trade I can deploy,

00:24:40.600 I will deploy

00:24:42.240 to smashing

00:24:43.420 this law.

00:24:45.460 And I think

00:24:46.060 you know that's true.

00:24:47.080 I think we'll have

00:24:47.880 books and billboards

00:24:49.920 and TV videos

00:24:51.620 and lawn signs

00:24:53.840 and we'll do

00:24:55.760 all sorts of

00:24:56.660 crazy things

00:24:57.800 in defense

00:24:59.100 of free speech

00:25:00.320 and freedom of the press.

00:25:01.900 And we'll do it all.

00:25:04.240 And it's not

00:25:05.460 what I really want to do.

00:25:06.220 I want to live my life

00:25:07.580 and do my journalism.

00:25:09.020 But if you guys

00:25:10.300 are going to put me

00:25:11.340 through a trial

00:25:12.900 because I wrote

00:25:14.020 and published

00:25:14.580 and promoted

00:25:15.100 an election book

00:25:15.960 during an election,

00:25:17.140 I'm going to do

00:25:18.580 everything I can

00:25:19.400 to show you

00:25:21.480 and the country

00:25:22.180 that's not Canadian.

00:25:24.460 You're being

00:25:24.900 un-Canadian 0.66

00:25:25.760 by summoning an author

00:25:27.000 to your offices.

00:25:28.600 You're being un-Canadian 1.00

00:25:29.500 and you need a reminder.

00:25:30.980 All right,

00:25:31.380 this video is too long already.

00:25:32.840 I'll do a second video

00:25:33.680 with more excerpts

00:25:34.480 from the interrogation.

00:25:35.780 But let me give you

00:25:36.420 a quick glimpse

00:25:37.480 of what's to come.

00:25:40.300 You don't undertake

00:25:44.320 not to raid

00:25:45.580 the offices

00:25:46.120 of Rebel News.

00:25:51.860 Do you know

00:25:52.600 the country you're in, Paul?

00:25:53.840 Yeah, it got worse.

00:25:56.120 I'll have another video

00:25:57.040 for you soon.

00:25:57.760 But look,

00:25:58.520 I need help.

00:25:59.360 I thought this was

00:25:59.960 going to be a joke.

00:26:01.400 No, I don't think so anymore.

00:26:02.540 You heard that one cop.

00:26:04.000 He told me twice

00:26:05.100 that I'm guilty.

00:26:06.300 Once for choosing

00:26:07.680 to write a book

00:26:08.560 during an election

00:26:09.380 and once

00:26:10.320 for not registering

00:26:11.780 my book

00:26:12.280 with the government.

00:26:14.060 He's going to prosecute me.

00:26:16.120 I need to hire lawyers. 0.99

00:26:18.200 And I have.

00:26:19.980 The same legal eagles 0.76

00:26:21.520 who beat Trudeau

00:26:22.500 last time

00:26:23.160 when the debates

00:26:24.080 commissions tried

00:26:24.880 to censor us.

00:26:25.600 Remember that?

00:26:26.080 Trudeau banned

00:26:26.740 our Rebel News journalists

00:26:28.220 from the leaders' debate.

00:26:30.280 A federal court judge

00:26:31.280 told Trudeau

00:26:31.900 that's illegal.

00:26:33.780 But it still cost us

00:26:34.960 $18,000 to win.

00:26:37.380 Now this fight

00:26:38.100 is going to be

00:26:38.560 bigger than that.

00:26:39.680 I think they mean

00:26:40.720 to break me

00:26:41.400 and to break Rebel News,

00:26:42.680 one of the few

00:26:43.500 independent voices

00:26:44.300 left in the Canadian media.

00:26:46.700 Well, we'll see about that.

00:26:47.980 If you can help,

00:26:49.740 please go to

00:26:50.260 SaveRebelNews.com

00:26:51.520 and chip in

00:26:52.000 whatever you can.

00:26:52.740 We will need it

00:26:53.500 for the legal fight.

00:26:55.640 And stay tuned.

00:26:57.220 We'll have part two

00:26:58.000 of my interrogation video

00:26:59.480 up soon.

00:27:00.700 Thank you.

00:27:12.780 I don't know.

00:27:14.040 Should I be mad?

00:27:14.840 Should I be scared?

00:27:15.960 Should I be,

00:27:16.860 I don't know,

00:27:17.300 happy that I'm

00:27:18.060 in my element

00:27:18.560 fighting censorship

00:27:20.080 and Justin Trudeau?

00:27:21.140 I don't really know,

00:27:22.320 but one thing I do know

00:27:23.420 is that I need some help.

00:27:25.560 I went into this

00:27:26.700 interrogation by myself

00:27:28.280 on purpose

00:27:29.380 because I wanted to see

00:27:30.440 what admissions

00:27:31.440 I could get from them

00:27:32.680 when they weren't

00:27:33.740 on their guard,

00:27:35.060 which I know

00:27:35.820 they would have been

00:27:36.760 had I attended

00:27:38.360 with a lawyer.

00:27:40.020 Well, it's lawyer in time,

00:27:41.640 and we brought in the team

00:27:43.680 and we brought in the team

00:27:43.700 that helped us

00:27:45.000 beat Trudeau's lawyers

00:27:46.500 in October.

00:27:47.660 You'll recall

00:27:48.460 Justin Trudeau's

00:27:49.840 hand-picked

00:27:50.480 debates commission

00:27:51.620 kept out

00:27:52.940 David Manzies

00:27:53.620 and Kian Bexte

00:27:54.340 of Rebel News

00:27:55.000 as well as our friend

00:27:56.000 Andrew Lawton

00:27:56.540 from True North

00:27:57.140 banned us

00:27:58.860 from covering

00:27:59.820 the campaign debate.

00:28:00.760 Well, we didn't stand

00:28:01.500 for that.

00:28:01.820 We went to federal court

00:28:03.140 on a rush basis

00:28:04.460 and we beat

00:28:06.860 Justin Trudeau

00:28:07.940 like a drum.

00:28:09.220 In fact,

00:28:09.640 Trudeau had five lawyers

00:28:11.060 and look at this news

00:28:11.920 literally out this morning.

00:28:13.880 Trudeau spent

00:28:14.560 $131,000

00:28:18.260 of your taxpayers' money

00:28:20.800 fighting us in court.

00:28:23.540 I'll tell you,

00:28:24.980 we spent $18,000

00:28:27.140 and we won.

00:28:29.440 And one of those lawyers

00:28:31.180 who won it for us

00:28:32.400 joins me now today,

00:28:33.600 Aaron Rosenberg

00:28:34.480 from Real Law.

00:28:35.440 Great to see you again.

00:28:36.580 Always nice to see you, Ezra.

00:28:37.460 Thank you.

00:28:37.960 Well, thank you

00:28:38.800 and, you know,

00:28:40.160 I'm fine with

00:28:41.380 your level of billing.

00:28:42.260 Don't feel any need

00:28:43.140 to double your bills.

00:28:45.200 I think it's insane

00:28:47.060 that the government

00:28:48.520 spent $131,000

00:28:50.100 fighting us last time.

00:28:51.380 It was a 48-hour battle

00:28:52.800 so I literally

00:28:54.080 don't know

00:28:54.720 how they even managed

00:28:55.780 to rack up

00:28:56.440 $131,000 in bills.

00:28:58.300 I was pleased

00:28:59.360 to pay you $18,000.

00:29:00.720 You guys worked

00:29:01.280 non-stop all weekend

00:29:02.360 and you won.

00:29:03.660 Which is the most

00:29:04.240 important thing.

00:29:05.300 $18,000 money well paid.

00:29:07.420 I don't even know

00:29:08.340 how they spent $131,000

00:29:09.660 but we beat them.

00:29:10.760 Yeah, it's really

00:29:11.680 unbelievable

00:29:12.440 and of course

00:29:13.100 in hindsight now

00:29:13.860 it seems like

00:29:14.420 it was money well wasted.

00:29:15.920 But, you know,

00:29:17.160 it was a hard-fought battle.

00:29:19.100 No question about it.

00:29:20.200 And it was a pretty close call

00:29:21.320 if you recall.

00:29:21.980 You were in the courtroom

00:29:22.540 with us.

00:29:23.440 So, but you know,

00:29:25.120 of course we're thrilled

00:29:26.280 that it was a victory

00:29:27.280 for the rebel

00:29:28.480 and for free speech.

00:29:30.260 Freedom of the press.

00:29:31.040 But there's no question

00:29:32.900 that there is a disparity

00:29:34.080 between the government resources

00:29:35.620 and the little guy,

00:29:36.920 the rebel.

00:29:37.600 And that's why

00:29:38.560 we're just so thrilled

00:29:39.160 to be working

00:29:39.560 on these types of files.

00:29:40.900 Well, thank you.

00:29:41.680 And it's just coincidence

00:29:42.700 that we saw that news

00:29:44.040 today

00:29:44.920 because today

00:29:45.940 is the day

00:29:46.720 we fight back

00:29:47.980 on this crazy

00:29:49.460 book investigation.

00:29:51.200 You have reviewed

00:29:53.220 the video

00:29:54.180 that we just released

00:29:55.380 where I have

00:29:57.320 clips from my

00:29:59.060 interrogation there.

00:30:01.160 And

00:30:01.420 there's just one thing

00:30:03.700 I want to show you

00:30:04.880 where one of the cops

00:30:06.380 almost

00:30:07.540 it was like

00:30:08.440 he was saying

00:30:08.980 do you want to

00:30:09.580 unsay that

00:30:10.560 because I got you.

00:30:11.640 It was where I said

00:30:12.780 no, we chose

00:30:13.460 to publish my election book

00:30:15.000 during the election

00:30:15.800 because that's when

00:30:16.880 people want to hear.

00:30:17.980 He says that to me.

00:30:20.200 I felt like he was

00:30:21.540 inviting me

00:30:22.740 to

00:30:23.780 get out of trouble

00:30:25.600 but I'm not going to lie

00:30:27.280 of course we published

00:30:27.980 the book

00:30:28.340 during the election.

00:30:29.700 Take a look.

00:30:30.720 So when you came

00:30:31.680 to your decision

00:30:32.360 you're going to

00:30:33.320 author a book

00:30:34.000 release a book

00:30:35.760 in time for the election

00:30:37.500 and I don't have

00:30:38.160 your own words

00:30:38.840 but online

00:30:39.960 when you received

00:30:41.460 a letter from

00:30:42.300 Madame Gigou

00:30:43.260 you did a

00:30:45.800 blurb online

00:30:46.520 that I watched

00:30:47.100 and you speak about

00:30:48.820 of course

00:30:49.340 that it was

00:30:50.260 released in time

00:30:51.020 for the election

00:30:51.560 which if

00:30:53.360 that's your

00:30:54.320 position today

00:30:55.220 that wouldn't

00:30:56.620 allow you to

00:30:57.200 have the exemption

00:30:58.000 for advertising

00:31:00.160 for a book

00:31:00.800 so that's why

00:31:01.700 we wanted to

00:31:02.220 clarify that

00:31:02.820 with you.

00:31:03.900 Perhaps you were

00:31:04.540 misspoken

00:31:05.040 when you spoke

00:31:05.560 online

00:31:05.940 so we're here

00:31:07.760 to try to clarify.

00:31:08.880 So that's a

00:31:09.620 30 year

00:31:10.180 RCMP veteran

00:31:12.280 who's now working

00:31:13.000 for elections

00:31:13.600 commissioner.

00:31:14.720 He also said

00:31:15.840 it felt like

00:31:17.800 he was saying

00:31:18.120 I got you

00:31:18.500 dead to rights

00:31:19.020 on this

00:31:19.380 and he said

00:31:19.920 one more thing

00:31:20.400 and then I'm

00:31:20.700 going to ask you

00:31:21.060 to react to this

00:31:21.900 he asked me

00:31:23.080 did I ever

00:31:24.160 contemplate

00:31:26.360 registering

00:31:27.620 with the

00:31:28.880 government

00:31:29.240 for my book

00:31:30.760 take a look

00:31:31.200 at that.

00:31:31.700 The knowledge

00:31:32.280 that you would

00:31:32.720 have or not

00:31:33.380 have of the

00:31:34.320 election act

00:31:35.060 the Canada

00:31:35.600 election act

00:31:36.180 when you

00:31:37.780 are planning

00:31:39.320 the book

00:31:39.680 and you

00:31:41.660 the new

00:31:43.280 third party

00:31:44.080 rules

00:31:44.580 because I believe

00:31:45.040 there's some

00:31:45.400 comments on

00:31:45.900 your set

00:31:46.260 as well

00:31:47.100 about that

00:31:47.620 did you give

00:31:48.720 any consideration

00:31:49.540 of saying

00:31:50.200 maybe I should

00:31:51.520 register as a

00:31:53.100 third party

00:31:53.540 for this

00:31:53.900 circumstance

00:31:54.520 or maybe I

00:31:55.740 shouldn't

00:31:56.940 because of my

00:31:58.420 interpretation

00:31:58.980 of what I'm

00:31:59.420 going to do

00:31:59.820 or did you

00:32:00.960 not make that

00:32:02.880 determination?

00:32:04.400 Alright I'd like

00:32:04.840 you to react

00:32:05.340 to those two

00:32:05.980 clips because

00:32:06.800 that's their

00:32:07.720 case.

00:32:08.200 I think

00:32:10.440 unless they're

00:32:11.400 trying to

00:32:11.840 misdirect me

00:32:12.600 their case

00:32:13.880 is I broke

00:32:15.520 the law by

00:32:16.140 writing an

00:32:16.640 election book

00:32:17.380 during the

00:32:18.060 election because

00:32:19.360 I didn't like

00:32:20.020 Justin Trudeau

00:32:20.920 and I should

00:32:21.980 have registered

00:32:22.740 my book with

00:32:23.640 the government

00:32:24.180 registry as

00:32:25.960 like a campaign

00:32:26.880 election party

00:32:28.040 or something.

00:32:28.500 I think that's

00:32:29.000 what they're

00:32:29.280 arguing.

00:32:29.960 Yeah I mean

00:32:30.620 it's pretty

00:32:31.280 amazing.

00:32:32.380 The whole thing

00:32:32.820 is incredible

00:32:33.320 the fact that

00:32:33.900 you're in a

00:32:34.620 back room in

00:32:35.660 the election

00:32:36.020 commissioner's

00:32:36.600 office talking

00:32:37.960 about freedom

00:32:39.720 of the

00:32:39.960 it's essential

00:32:41.320 right?

00:32:42.300 You decide

00:32:42.880 you want to

00:32:43.260 write a book

00:32:43.720 you time it

00:32:44.740 to coincide

00:32:45.640 with an

00:32:45.880 election which

00:32:46.560 makes absolute

00:32:47.120 sense not only

00:32:48.500 from a financial

00:32:50.760 sense but from

00:32:51.760 the position of

00:32:52.480 dealing with the

00:32:54.300 politics and

00:32:55.260 what's going on

00:32:56.300 at the time.

00:32:57.160 It's very important

00:32:57.700 for your voice to

00:32:58.300 be heard during

00:32:58.980 an election season.

00:33:00.260 So the fact that

00:33:01.100 they're trying to

00:33:01.760 hold you to account

00:33:02.840 for writing a book

00:33:04.060 and promoting a book

00:33:05.360 during an election

00:33:06.060 in my view

00:33:07.160 is crazy.

00:33:10.240 They're implying

00:33:11.300 I was interfering

00:33:12.740 in the election.

00:33:14.140 I believe I was

00:33:15.240 participating in the

00:33:16.420 election not as a

00:33:17.900 candidate but as a

00:33:18.840 journalist and a

00:33:19.640 citizen.

00:33:20.680 I have those views

00:33:22.120 honestly held about

00:33:23.180 Justin Trudeau.

00:33:23.860 It's no secret

00:33:24.400 I've been

00:33:24.740 criticizing Trudeau

00:33:25.900 even before he was

00:33:26.760 the leader of the

00:33:27.220 liberals.

00:33:27.440 I want my

00:33:30.020 elections Canada

00:33:31.280 cops to be going

00:33:33.100 after people who

00:33:34.180 try and vote

00:33:35.160 illegally.

00:33:36.480 People who try

00:33:37.200 and vote twice.

00:33:38.580 People who try

00:33:39.080 and vote

00:33:39.480 deliberately in the

00:33:40.980 wrong place.

00:33:42.900 People who steal

00:33:43.760 money.

00:33:44.060 I want them to go

00:33:44.820 after crimes.

00:33:46.880 I can't believe

00:33:47.580 they're putting

00:33:48.080 five people minimum

00:33:49.920 on the case of a

00:33:51.880 book writer.

00:33:52.280 I started to go

00:33:53.060 through the cases

00:33:54.240 that they've

00:33:54.760 prosecuted.

00:33:55.820 I've never seen

00:33:56.660 anything like this.

00:33:57.840 They actually have

00:33:58.920 been going after

00:33:59.740 bad dudes.

00:34:01.420 People who

00:34:01.900 falsify their ballot.

00:34:04.740 ask for a second

00:34:05.740 ballot.

00:34:06.440 Go after those 0.99

00:34:07.280 bad guys.

00:34:07.660 I've never seen

00:34:08.260 them do this

00:34:08.700 before.

00:34:09.560 Well that's right.

00:34:10.700 I mean clearly

00:34:12.600 that can't be the

00:34:13.860 intention.

00:34:15.480 What you're bringing

00:34:16.460 about, what you're

00:34:17.300 bringing to the

00:34:17.900 public sphere,

00:34:18.920 dealing with the

00:34:20.320 issues of the

00:34:21.140 day of holding

00:34:22.300 our government to

00:34:23.300 account.

00:34:24.120 These are critical

00:34:25.040 issues that need

00:34:25.920 to be aired during

00:34:27.020 an election.

00:34:27.380 So if the

00:34:29.860 intention of the

00:34:31.600 law is to

00:34:32.800 prosecute people

00:34:33.720 like you that

00:34:35.060 are going out

00:34:35.780 and educating

00:34:37.040 people on the

00:34:38.660 situation, on the

00:34:40.380 leading governing

00:34:41.280 party, then

00:34:42.640 that's a real

00:34:43.420 problem.

00:34:44.400 And so if they

00:34:45.260 do choose to

00:34:45.940 prosecute you, 0.67

00:34:47.240 then I do think

00:34:48.500 it would likely be

00:34:49.260 a worthy battle

00:34:49.900 because we can't

00:34:52.480 have laws on the

00:34:53.200 book that stifle

00:34:54.540 freedom of speech,

00:34:56.500 freedom of the

00:34:57.080 press, and your

00:34:58.360 ability to go out

00:34:59.960 there and talk

00:35:00.840 about the issues.

00:35:02.780 Well one of the

00:35:03.260 things that I said

00:35:04.080 to the cops is my

00:35:06.900 plain reading of

00:35:08.280 the law is that I

00:35:10.500 didn't break the

00:35:11.100 law.

00:35:12.200 And this is the

00:35:13.060 weird thing.

00:35:13.620 When they sent me

00:35:14.260 their threat letter

00:35:15.140 over the Christmas

00:35:16.240 break, it included

00:35:18.000 a paragraph that

00:35:20.000 outlines the

00:35:20.940 exemption for books

00:35:22.580 and the promotion

00:35:24.140 of books.

00:35:24.580 So this going

00:35:27.000 after author

00:35:27.760 business was on

00:35:29.200 the minds of

00:35:30.780 Parliament when

00:35:31.460 they wrote this

00:35:32.040 law because they

00:35:33.160 said, oh right,

00:35:34.080 we better have a

00:35:35.000 free speech carve

00:35:36.940 out for books and

00:35:38.220 the promotion

00:35:38.780 of books.

00:35:39.080 So that's the

00:35:39.560 words in there.

00:35:41.140 And Elections

00:35:42.380 Canada put that in

00:35:43.540 their threat letter

00:35:44.320 to me over Christmas

00:35:45.340 so obviously they

00:35:46.220 know, of course

00:35:46.900 they know their

00:35:47.360 own law.

00:35:48.300 What I don't

00:35:49.020 get, Aaron, is

00:35:50.660 why they would

00:35:52.420 proceed against me

00:35:53.640 and my book

00:35:54.320 The Libranos 0.94

00:35:55.140 in the face of

00:35:56.560 that clear

00:35:57.000 exemption but

00:35:59.260 not go after

00:35:59.960 23 pro-Trudeau

00:36:02.160 books that were

00:36:02.740 published at the

00:36:03.380 same period.

00:36:04.340 To me that shows

00:36:05.340 bad faith on the

00:36:06.160 part of the

00:36:07.920 investigators or the

00:36:09.080 prosecutor.

00:36:09.700 Maybe bad faith is

00:36:10.580 the wrong word but

00:36:11.840 it sure is a huge

00:36:12.820 question mark.

00:36:13.820 Why?

00:36:15.040 Well, that's

00:36:15.860 absolutely right.

00:36:17.000 I mean, you

00:36:18.220 know, it's quite

00:36:21.000 telling that one 0.77

00:36:22.880 book out of 25

00:36:24.500 some odd books that

00:36:26.360 deal with, you

00:36:28.240 know, with issues

00:36:29.560 surrounding the

00:36:30.480 election during the

00:36:31.600 election period is

00:36:32.520 the one that's now

00:36:33.160 being investigated by

00:36:35.580 the elections

00:36:36.480 commissioner.

00:36:37.260 So I do sense that

00:36:39.760 there are some

00:36:41.120 problems here and I

00:36:42.560 think that there is

00:36:43.860 some issues that we

00:36:45.360 need to look into.

00:36:46.040 I mean, certainly it

00:36:46.840 raises some concerns

00:36:47.840 on my end but

00:36:50.000 ultimately, whether

00:36:51.720 it's you or anyone

00:36:52.520 else, I don't think

00:36:53.660 we want the

00:36:55.220 government or

00:36:56.020 government bureaucrats

00:36:57.180 reviewing books,

00:36:59.900 reviewing authors,

00:37:00.940 reviewing publishers

00:37:01.960 because they're

00:37:03.460 publishing books

00:37:04.320 during the election.

00:37:05.760 It goes, in my view,

00:37:07.100 against the intention

00:37:07.940 of that exemption and

00:37:10.000 it goes against the

00:37:11.380 basic fundamentals that

00:37:14.320 we operate under.

00:37:15.300 in a democratic

00:37:16.640 country.

00:37:17.980 I am certain,

00:37:19.760 Aaron, that if this

00:37:21.140 were 10 years ago and

00:37:23.100 if it were Stephen

00:37:23.780 Harper, who was the

00:37:24.900 prime minister, and his

00:37:26.600 election office were

00:37:29.100 calling in left-wing

00:37:31.740 authors who had wrote

00:37:32.820 critical books about

00:37:33.860 him, I think this would

00:37:35.860 be front-page news

00:37:37.020 across the country, top

00:37:38.480 of the news on the CBC

00:37:39.560 broadcast.

00:37:41.000 People would be calling

00:37:41.860 for his resignation, the

00:37:43.100 resignation of Elections

00:37:44.200 Canada officials, but

00:37:47.660 because it's Justin Trudeau

00:37:50.300 and I'm a conservative

00:37:51.540 critic and the rebel is

00:37:53.540 not the favorite of the

00:37:54.500 media party, I think it's

00:37:56.300 going to be silence from

00:37:58.540 the CBC, from the media

00:37:59.660 party, and from all the

00:38:00.660 free speech civil liberties

00:38:01.660 groups that would normally

00:38:02.860 be squawking.

00:38:03.820 Canadian Civil Liberties

00:38:04.880 Association, Canadian

00:38:05.980 Journalists for Free

00:38:06.700 Expression, Penn Canada,

00:38:08.580 Canadian Association of

00:38:09.580 Journalists, they're all

00:38:10.920 utterly silent, just like

00:38:12.640 they were silent when you

00:38:13.920 and I and True North went

00:38:15.720 to court over the elections

00:38:17.160 debate.

00:38:17.780 I think the other media

00:38:20.020 don't actually care because

00:38:22.780 they're liberal.

00:38:24.600 Well, you know, what I can

00:38:26.840 say is that it's pretty

00:38:30.000 clear that the effort to

00:38:32.660 investigate this issue is

00:38:34.000 happening in what appears

00:38:35.440 to me a pretty backroom

00:38:38.040 scenario.

00:38:38.920 It was literally a back

00:38:40.180 room.

00:38:40.460 There were no windows in

00:38:41.420 that room.

00:38:41.920 Yeah, I think that, you

00:38:44.320 know, your reporting on this

00:38:45.260 is very important because

00:38:46.400 otherwise I imagine that

00:38:48.620 these types of things do

00:38:49.640 happen behind closed doors.

00:38:51.500 That's what's troubling about

00:38:52.600 it.

00:38:53.060 But as I said before, I mean,

00:38:54.320 I think this raises very

00:38:55.360 serious concerns about the

00:38:58.500 sorts of investigations that

00:39:00.520 are being taken on and in

00:39:02.340 particular the issues that

00:39:04.680 arise when selective complaints

00:39:08.860 are investigated.

00:39:11.560 I think this is a very

00:39:13.240 serious issue that you're

00:39:14.240 bringing forward and we're

00:39:15.100 just thrilled to be part of

00:39:16.040 it.

00:39:16.560 Well, thank you.

00:39:17.980 I like your fighting spirit

00:39:19.240 and I was there in court when

00:39:20.520 you and your colleague David

00:39:22.260 just, it was like watching a

00:39:24.500 beautiful symphony.

00:39:26.040 You two and then the lawyer for

00:39:27.900 True North.

00:39:28.880 I loved it.

00:39:29.760 You guys were outgunned and

00:39:30.820 outspent by the feds and you

00:39:32.140 won.

00:39:32.780 Okay, let me ask you a

00:39:33.660 question and I want to

00:39:34.760 preface it by saying you're

00:39:36.580 our lawyer so you give us some

00:39:38.380 advice sometimes that's private

00:39:39.920 and it's subject to solicitor

00:39:41.480 client privilege which means

00:39:43.080 the government can't know

00:39:44.040 about it.

00:39:44.740 And I don't want you to divulge

00:39:46.380 any secrets online because I

00:39:48.100 know they're watching me.

00:39:49.220 They told me.

00:39:49.980 They watch my videos in the

00:39:51.320 government.

00:39:52.680 What can you say though that

00:39:55.040 doesn't give away a solicitor

00:39:56.560 client privilege about how we'll

00:39:59.500 fight back?

00:40:00.260 And the reason I'm asking is a

00:40:01.400 lot of our viewers, they want to

00:40:02.880 sort of know the battle plan.

00:40:04.800 My hunch, and we haven't talked

00:40:06.380 about this much, is that right

00:40:08.100 now I really don't have a lot of

00:40:09.600 remedies because they haven't

00:40:10.760 really done anything other than

00:40:12.000 ask me some dumb questions. 0.57

00:40:13.800 But they're implying they might

00:40:15.560 subpoena documents.

00:40:16.720 They're implying that they might

00:40:19.060 charge me.

00:40:20.220 There's a lot of things they're

00:40:21.400 hinting at.

00:40:22.240 They won't even show me the

00:40:23.220 complaint which I think is, it's

00:40:25.860 so Orwellian.

00:40:27.100 Is there anything at this stage

00:40:29.160 to do or do we have to wait

00:40:30.460 until they actually pull the

00:40:31.420 trigger?

00:40:32.120 Well, ultimately I think it

00:40:33.140 depends on how willing of an

00:40:39.060 investigated party you're willing

00:40:41.680 to be.

00:40:42.240 I want to fight tooth and

00:40:43.520 nail. 0.98

00:40:43.760 Yeah.

00:40:44.400 Every, like every inch.

00:40:45.940 I want to do everything I can.

00:40:48.640 I think you know that.

00:40:49.480 Yeah.

00:40:49.760 No, absolutely.

00:40:50.320 I mean, I know how you fight and

00:40:53.000 I love it.

00:40:53.600 I think that, you know, even based

00:40:56.620 on the letter, right, and I think

00:40:58.200 it's clear to see that there's an

00:41:01.140 implication that there's a way out

00:41:02.600 if you play nice.

00:41:03.980 Right.

00:41:04.520 That's why I went down there.

00:41:05.780 They said if you're smart you'll

00:41:06.920 come and talk to us.

00:41:08.200 Yeah.

00:41:08.580 And so I think that by pushing back

00:41:12.460 a little bit you're causing a

00:41:14.340 little bit of a dilemma for them.

00:41:15.560 But ultimately I think the idea is

00:41:19.960 to fully participate in the

00:41:22.360 investigation to the extent that

00:41:24.240 they require you to.

00:41:26.620 It is, you know, it's a serious

00:41:29.500 investigation as you described

00:41:31.640 earlier.

00:41:32.160 They go after serious offenses and

00:41:34.500 they can give out some pretty

00:41:35.360 serious punishments.

00:41:38.700 So it's important to cooperate in

00:41:39.960 the investigation but at the same

00:41:41.520 time it is important to push back,

00:41:44.560 to fight back, and ultimately to

00:41:47.560 prevail upon what in our view

00:41:51.380 appears to be an undemocratic law.

00:41:54.680 All right.

00:41:56.920 I have a few ideas I want to talk

00:41:58.660 to you about privately because they

00:41:59.840 might be dumb ideas, they might be

00:42:01.060 smart ideas.

00:42:01.860 I think you and I should talk

00:42:03.100 privately and if we have a letter

00:42:05.760 or an application that we're going

00:42:07.480 to file we'll show our viewers the

00:42:09.940 finished product because I don't

00:42:12.060 want to give Trudeau's cops early

00:42:15.300 warning of what we're doing.

00:42:16.880 If we're going to slap them with some

00:42:18.600 sort of suit, I want them to get that

00:42:21.800 not one minute earlier than they

00:42:23.360 deserve.

00:42:24.060 So let's see you and I have a private

00:42:25.260 conversation.

00:42:26.620 But I wanted to show our viewers how

00:42:29.300 seriously I'm taking it, that we're

00:42:31.240 dealing with the law firm that beat

00:42:32.720 Trudeau like a drum.

00:42:34.040 But that's also affordable, thank you,

00:42:38.380 and that believes in freedom.

00:42:42.220 So we'll talk more off camera, but I

00:42:45.760 wanted to prove to the viewers that we

00:42:47.380 were lawyering up, that we were doing

00:42:49.480 it smart, that we're not going to roll

00:42:51.940 over.

00:42:53.320 And look, we spent 18 grand with David

00:42:57.680 and Aaron in October.

00:43:00.440 Well worth it.

00:43:01.620 I think, depending on how hard these

00:43:05.040 guys fight, this could be more, like

00:43:07.980 if they go away, obviously there's no

00:43:09.640 cost.

00:43:10.580 But if this goes to a full fight, like

00:43:13.180 your bill, and like I say, it was

00:43:15.700 barely 10% worth of government charge.

00:43:20.580 It could be 50 grand if this thing goes

00:43:22.640 to like a week-long trial.

00:43:24.460 Well that's right, and again, we're

00:43:25.880 dealing with the same power dynamic, the

00:43:28.120 power imbalance.

00:43:28.820 They'll have six, seven, eight lawyers.

00:43:30.220 They had five lawyers against you at the

00:43:31.960 Debates Commission.

00:43:32.980 Yeah, well that's exactly right.

00:43:34.160 And so that's what I think is going to be

00:43:36.100 the big difference.

00:43:37.540 It's always an uphill battle when you're

00:43:39.660 fighting against a bureaucracy, a

00:43:41.940 government with endless resources.

00:43:44.640 That's the challenge, and that's why it's

00:43:47.420 so important, you know, that we keep

00:43:50.100 fighting.

00:43:50.580 Well thank you for that.

00:43:51.640 My friends, if you want to help, go to

00:43:52.860 SaveRebelNews.com.

00:43:54.200 And by the way, if you have an MP or an

00:43:58.360 MPP or an MLA who claims to believe in

00:44:01.080 freedom of speech, maybe ask them about

00:44:03.140 this.

00:44:04.300 Maybe if the Conservative Party or Canadian

00:44:07.840 Civil Liberties Association asks you for a

00:44:10.200 donation, maybe you can say, well, if you go

00:44:13.100 fight for free speech.

00:44:14.040 Otherwise, maybe give it to Aaron and David

00:44:16.840 to help us fight this one.

00:44:17.860 I think that this is the Civil Liberties

00:44:20.100 fight of 2020.

00:44:21.040 This is how Justin Trudeau is going to

00:44:23.340 play.

00:44:23.900 So if you can help us out with even 10

00:44:25.580 bucks, I'll have Aaron and his colleague

00:44:28.280 David, who's not here today.

00:44:29.440 I'll have them on whenever we have news.

00:44:31.820 I'll email you if we have updates.

00:44:34.400 And so help me God, we will push back

00:44:37.960 against this little censor named Justin

00:44:40.280 Trudeau.

00:44:41.240 That's it for today, my friends.

00:44:42.940 Aaron, it's great to see you in studio.

00:44:44.640 Thank you for coming here.

00:44:45.940 I swear we will fight till it's done.

00:44:49.020 And even then we won't stop fighting.

00:44:51.040 All right.

00:44:51.720 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:44:53.580 Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep

00:44:56.640 fighting for freedom.

00:44:57.600 and where me goes.

00:45:00.140 We'll be right back.

00:45:01.500 Especially if we have fun today.

00:45:02.400 We'll be right back.

00:45:03.200 We'll be right back.

00:45:04.200 I'm opponents.

00:45:04.280 We'll be right back.

00:45:04.920 We'll be right back.

00:45:05.880 We'll be right back.

00:45:08.120 We'll be right back.

00:45:08.620 We'll be right back.

00:45:08.760 We'll be right back.

00:45:09.740 We'll be right back.

00:45:10.940 And if we haven't done this weekend,

00:45:11.320 we'll be right back.

00:45:11.680 So we'll be right back.

00:45:11.900 And we'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - January 30, 2020

Trudeau's Elections Commissioner is investigating me for writing The Libranos, so I taped the entire interrogation

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