Rebel News Podcast - Trudeau's plan to censor Internet “hate speech” just started a trade war

00:00:00.000 Hi Rebels, today I take you through a mandate letter that's a to-do list given from Justin

00:00:05.400 Trudeau to his heritage minister, Stephen Gilbeau. And high up on that to-do list is a call for more

00:00:12.120 censorship of the internet. Now that's a bad idea, but it's actually illegal to under the USMCA.

00:00:21.620 That's the NAFTA deal. I'll take you through the law. Hey, before I do, let me invite you to become

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00:00:46.280 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.

00:00:56.860 Tonight, Justin Trudeau announces his plans to censor the internet. And he probably doesn't

00:01:02.320 know it, but he's just started a trade war. It's December 16th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:10.020 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:13.840 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:17.480 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:26.860 Last week, Justin Trudeau published the mandate letters for his cabinet ministers. Those are

00:01:34.780 basically their to-do lists. It's giving them their marching orders. Now, most of these documents,

00:01:41.380 since they're released publicly, read like liberal campaign pamphlets. Vague, self-congratulatory

00:01:48.460 talking points that are obviously just propaganda. But there are some actual real things in there,

00:01:55.000 and today I want to focus on the mandate letter for one cabinet minister, the heritage minister.

00:02:01.060 His name is Stephen Gilbeau, and he's an environmental extremist. He used to run a far-left

00:02:06.300 anti-oil sands lobby group called Equiterre. He sort of styled himself as the David Suzuki of Quebec.

00:02:15.500 I think Trudeau showed a little bit of restraint by not appointing him as environment minister,

00:02:20.120 and judging by the literally hundreds of anti-Trump tweets that Gilbeau has written over the past few

00:02:28.380 years, there are hundreds. Let's hope Trudeau keeps Gilbeau far away from the United States

00:02:34.260 and their diplomats. I mean, there's so many of them calling Trump racist, calling Trump sexist,

00:02:40.620 calling Trump a criminal, lusting for Trump to be impeached. This is being said by a Canadian cabinet 0.61

00:02:47.520 minister. Had a conservative candidate said anything like that about, I don't know, Barack Obama when

00:02:53.400 he was president, the media would have made it a national and international scandal. But the media

00:02:58.440 party agrees with Gilbeau on Trump, so they didn't cover it. And if they did, they'd probably say it

00:03:03.520 was a sign of his good judgment. Anyways, here's my news today. If you look at Gilbeau's mandate letter

00:03:09.160 as heritage minister, it's absolutely 100% guaranteed to put this anti-American, anti-Trump extremist

00:03:18.200 on a collision course with the United States, because it absolutely 100% guaranteed violates the

00:03:26.120 new USMCA, the renegotiated version of NAFTA that looks like it'll soon be ratified. Here, take a look.

00:03:33.640 Here's what most of it is, the unreadable grade school level baffle gab that was probably written

00:03:39.260 by Trudeau himself. It starts this way. Dear Mr. Gilbeau, thank you for agreeing to serve Canadians

00:03:45.800 as Minister of Canadian Heritage. On election day, Canadians chose to continue moving forward

00:03:51.440 from coast to coast to coast. People chose to invest in their families and communities,

00:03:56.920 create good middle-class jobs, and fight climate change while keeping our economy strong and growing.

00:04:02.020 Believe me, it goes on like that. But let me skip past the boilerplate. Do you see these little

00:04:09.800 bullet points, these point form items? Those are the official government priorities for the

00:04:16.720 heritage minister. Stephen Gilbeau, the Trump hater, that's his to-do list. There are 23 of those to-do

00:04:23.740 list items. The top one is this. Work with all cultural and creative sectors on the successful

00:04:30.540 delivery of initiatives and new funding announced in previous budgets. Now, that's not really a thing.

00:04:36.220 It just means, hey, we've promised to give away corporate welfare, including, by the way,

00:04:41.020 $1.5 billion to the CBC and $600 million to the newspaper bailout. So the actual number one top

00:04:48.700 priority that Trudeau wants Gilbeau to do is to pay off the media and the celebrities. That's number one.

00:04:54.660 I'm not even sure if that needed to be said. It's so obvious for a liberal. And believe me,

00:04:59.720 every can-con charity case, every loser at the CBC who can't cut it in the private sector,

00:05:05.480 every failing newspaper boss who wants a bailout, oh, they would remind Gilbeau to deliver the funding.

00:05:11.500 Pretty sure Gilbeau didn't need Trudeau to remind him. But look at the second point out of the 23.

00:05:17.360 This is the second priority. Create new regulations for social media platforms,

00:05:25.440 starting with a requirement that all platforms remove illegal content, including hate speech,

00:05:31.980 within 24 hours or face significant penalties. This should include other online harms such as

00:05:39.160 radicalization, incitement to violence, exploitation of children, or creation or distribution of terrorist

00:05:46.080 propaganda. Now, we already have criminal code provisions against distributing terrorist propaganda.

00:05:52.460 For example, after 9-11, Canada's criminal code was beefed up with lots of new anti-terrorism laws.

00:05:58.560 Anyone who promotes a terrorist group, who assists a terrorist group, even who plans to go overseas to

00:06:03.620 join terrorist groups, that's all a crime now. Has been for almost 20 years. You don't actually have

00:06:08.260 to prove that a terrorist killed someone in Iraq or anything like that. They just have to

00:06:13.960 try to go there or give some sort of help. That's how easy it is to prosecute an ISIS terrorist,

00:06:20.760 certainly those who have come back to Canada. And yet Trudeau hasn't prosecuted a single one.

00:06:26.040 The opposite, actually. He says we have to listen to their wisdom.

00:06:30.400 I think it's now that in Syria and Iraq, they've been declared defeated. There is a question of them 0.99

00:06:36.140 coming back to this country. And you can't possibly monitor all of them, can you? 0.99

00:06:42.620 Yes, we have security agencies that are engaged on this file very much. But there's also a lot of

00:06:48.860 community outreach going on. We know that actually someone who has engaged and turned away from that

00:06:58.200 hateful ideology can be an extraordinarily powerful voice.

00:07:04.360 Got it. So we have all of these criminal code provisions against terrorists that have never been used.

00:07:09.800 And dozens of terrorists have actually come back to Canada, including an al-Qaeda terrorist named

00:07:14.480 Omar Khadr that Trudeau gave 10.5 million of our dollars to and a public apology. So he won't use the criminal code,

00:07:22.360 but he now thinks Facebook and YouTube and Twitter have to deal with the problem he won't.

00:07:30.860 You know, it was actually Trudeau's own CBC state broadcaster that had a propaganda moment for

00:07:36.300 Cotter. Look at them giving a champagne and disco festive welcome, a standing ovation to the terrorists.

00:07:44.680 Look at that. That was on the CBC. So gross. But YouTube and social media is apparently the problem for

00:07:51.220 Trudeau. My point on the real crimes, the terrorism, the child pornography, the incitement of violence,

00:07:56.440 that's already covered by the criminal code. Trudeau and his prosecutors just choose not to enforce

00:08:02.920 those criminal code provisions. But what about the first part there? Create new regulations for

00:08:09.700 social media platforms, starting with a requirement that all platforms remove illegal content,

00:08:14.820 including hate speech, within 24 hours or face significant penalties.

00:08:18.640 So that's not for crimes. I mean, hate speech is not a crime. There is a provision in our criminal code

00:08:28.440 called public incitement of hatred. But that has to lead to a breach of the peace. It has to actually

00:08:37.160 incite something or likely to cause a breach of the peace. There's another provision for willful

00:08:43.860 promotion of hatred. But it's a very specific crime with a very specific meaning and with specific

00:08:49.180 defenses. Look at the defenses. For example, you're not guilty of what you say is true or if it's part

00:08:55.360 of a bona fide religious debate or a debate about a public issue. And finally, it's such a rare and

00:09:01.380 careful prosecution, this hate propaganda, that the attorney general himself has to personally sign off

00:09:07.100 on any prosecutions because the law recognizes how dangerous it is to put a man's opinions on trial.

00:09:12.820 So I say again, all of the crimes that Trudeau wants to tackle, they're in the criminal code now.

00:09:21.560 If the government really wants to prosecute someone for hate speech, they have to prove a lot of things

00:09:27.320 beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant has all sorts of legal offenses, and none of that happens

00:09:31.860 without the decision of the attorney general, it's so rare and it ought to be. But now Trudeau wants

00:09:38.520 hate speech, which he's not defining, but it's obviously different than what's in the criminal code.

00:09:46.520 Trudeau wants hate speech to be adjudicated within 24 hours by companies? What? Yeah, let me read this a

00:09:57.520 third time. Create new regulations for social media platforms, starting with a requirement that all

00:10:02.640 platforms remove illegal content, including hate speech, within 24 hours or face significant penalties.

00:10:09.980 So it's not a new rule that targets a thought criminal himself. It's a new rule that targets

00:10:16.960 social media companies. So this would not throw a hater in jail or anything. It just roughs up companies,

00:10:26.400 and it requires those companies to remove illegal content within 24 hours. But how would they

00:10:31.600 possibly know if something is illegal within 24 hours? I showed you a few of the elements required

00:10:37.180 to prove that something is illegal under our criminal code hate speech provisions. You can't have a trial

00:10:43.760 in 24 hours. That's not a trial. Even in places with sham trials, with show trials like China or North

00:10:50.180 Korea, they at least take a few days. Imagine some complaint is made, I don't know, at midnight on a

00:10:56.000 Saturday night. And then maybe some intern at Twitter reads that complaint on Sunday morning,

00:11:03.040 and now they have to take it down, I guess by that night, or they'll face significant penalties.

00:11:11.280 But who would say, who would determine that any content was illegal? No court would. Judges

00:11:18.000 don't usually work on Saturday nights, nor do most lawyers. So it wouldn't be illegal in any judicial

00:11:23.860 sense. It would just be an accusation, an allegation. This mandate letter from Trudeau to Gilboa requires

00:11:30.320 that justice be meted out within hours. But that's not a thing. Not in a free country anyway. So

00:11:37.580 that imaginary Twitter intern on Sunday morning, well, he'd probably take down everything and

00:11:45.060 anything, wouldn't he? Because if he kept something up that Trudeau or Gilboa didn't like,

00:11:49.780 his company could be on the hook for millions of dollars. Why risk it? Because who would be the

00:11:55.320 judge? Well, there wouldn't be a judge. There would just be an accusation. See, in a real court

00:12:01.780 under that section 319 of our criminal code, if you're charged, you would know the case against

00:12:06.580 you. You'd know all the facts. You would know who your accusers were. You could mount a defense. You

00:12:12.240 could hire a lawyer. You could make the case. You could have an appeal if you lost. I don't like

00:12:17.020 censorship laws, but section 319 at least has some procedure there. But a 24-hour window for

00:12:23.520 justice? That's not justice. And massive fines for the companies? Not even for the alleged thought

00:12:30.460 criminal himself, but for the platforms they're on. It shows that this isn't actually about justice.

00:12:36.520 It's just about bossing around the companies to turn them into censors for Trudeau. I really

00:12:42.000 think Trudeau has been listening to Angela Merkel too much.

00:12:47.500 case.

00:12:50.200 The proteins that have been encouraging and all of the who pitifulth TagLet p Taperts 1.00

00:12:52.000 they don't want to mention is just about the ب

00:13:00.620 There is noinnering and embarrassing

00:13:09.720 But the sentiment can see here

00:13:12.500 We start from where you can't do who Ivory 1.00

00:13:16.060 As you get there

00:13:17.000 We start again

00:13:19.400 and that we We're going to take the time

00:13:26.000 In this case

00:13:27.040 If It's not now

00:13:31.440 I want to tell you that I've been to Germany several times.

00:13:34.700 I actually really love the country.

00:13:36.960 I like the language.

00:13:38.280 I like the people.

00:13:40.120 But I get the willies when a German chancellor starts pounding the table 0.64

00:13:44.940 and shouting about punishing people for having the wrong opinions.

00:13:48.960 I don't know.

00:13:49.400 It just drives me the wrong way.

00:13:54.180 Now, Trudeau's mandate letters only came out last week.

00:13:56.600 I haven't heard the Conservative Party's response to it yet.

00:14:00.320 I'm hopeful.

00:14:01.740 They have a good egg as heritage critic, Stephen Blaney.

00:14:04.780 So hopefully they'll speak up.

00:14:06.820 Now, in the last parliament, Stephanie Cousy just nodded along happily

00:14:11.300 with all the censorship ideas put forward by the liberals.

00:14:15.560 But I'm not too hopeful.

00:14:17.640 And it hasn't been a peep from the so-called free speech groups in Canada

00:14:21.760 like the Canadian Civil Liberties Association or Canadian Journalists for Free Expression

00:14:26.040 or Pen Canada or Amnesty International or Canadian Association of Journalists

00:14:30.520 because they all agree with Trudeau.

00:14:32.760 Because they all know it's not going to be leftists who are censored under this mandate letter.

00:14:37.360 And leftists being censored is the only censorship they really oppose.

00:14:41.160 So I'm pretty sure this would proceed if its only opponents were the Canadian media

00:14:49.340 and the Canadian Conservative Party and Canadian Civil Liberties groups.

00:14:53.260 I'm pretty sure this would be a done deal, even though Trudeau only has a minority government.

00:14:57.880 Really, no one's going to push back against this.

00:15:01.560 Except, who owns these social media platforms that Trudeau is targeting?

00:15:09.040 Well, you know.

00:15:09.980 They're called Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and Snapchat.

00:15:14.420 They're almost all American companies.

00:15:19.000 And Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau and the Mexican president just spent a year

00:15:22.660 renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement.

00:15:26.900 It used to be called NAFTA.

00:15:28.260 Now it's called the USMCA.

00:15:31.000 And it looks like it's finally moving towards ratification.

00:15:35.620 Now, we know that Trudeau doesn't really read briefing notes.

00:15:39.420 He prefers comic books, especially if they're about him.

00:15:43.840 That's actually what he told the ethics commissioner.

00:15:46.500 It was part of his excuse for taking an illegal free vacation from the Aga Khan, 0.90

00:15:50.980 who had a lot of business dealings with Canada.

00:15:52.940 Trudeau argued that he couldn't have been corrupted because he never gets into any details on any file.

00:15:58.400 He leaves that to others.

00:15:59.620 So he couldn't have been bribed because he didn't even know what the Aga Khan would be talking about.

00:16:05.280 But maybe someone in the prime minister's office,

00:16:08.000 maybe Christia Freeland, who has been given the role of super minister 0.76

00:16:11.800 and is still in charge of the USMCA deal,

00:16:15.620 maybe she has read the treaty.

00:16:17.800 Maybe someone has read the treaty.

00:16:22.600 Because here's what section 19.17 of the USMCA trade treaty says.

00:16:29.500 And it's simple enough that even Trudeau could understand it with a little bit of help.

00:16:33.920 Here, I'll read it slowly for Trudeau's benefit.

00:16:35.700 That's what they call countries.

00:16:41.020 No party shall adopt or maintain measures that treat a supplier or user of an interactive computer service

00:16:48.820 as an information content provider in determining liability for harms

00:16:54.900 related to information stored, processed, transmitted, distributed, or made available by the service,

00:17:00.900 except to the extent the supplier or user has, in whole or in part, created or developed the information.

00:17:07.460 Okay, maybe I can understand why Trudeau didn't get it.

00:17:10.640 But let me take you through it.

00:17:12.100 When it says no party shall adopt a measure, they mean no country can pass a rule.

00:17:17.800 Okay?

00:17:18.660 So Canada cannot treat an interactive computer service,

00:17:23.380 that's what they call Facebook or Twitter,

00:17:26.020 they can't treat a service like that as an information content provider.

00:17:31.360 They're just a platform for users.

00:17:33.220 It's like a community bandstand that anyone can play on.

00:17:37.480 It's neutral.

00:17:39.480 It's like a bulletin board on a street.

00:17:42.240 Anyone can post something on it.

00:17:43.520 You can't sue the billboard itself.

00:17:46.000 So under the treaty, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat,

00:17:51.700 they're not the creators of the words on the platform.

00:17:56.580 So they can't be held liable for harms related to anything that's published on their platforms

00:18:02.780 unless they actually wrote the words themselves, the companies.

00:18:07.980 So, for example, this treaty gives immunity to Google for anything Google links to.

00:18:16.420 I think that makes sense.

00:18:17.860 Google didn't write everything on the Internet.

00:18:19.860 It just organizes what's on the Internet.

00:18:22.940 I mean, every day, over a billion hours of video are watched on YouTube.

00:18:29.560 Making that company liable for content they didn't actually create

00:18:34.100 would be like making, I don't know, phone companies responsible for what strangers say

00:18:39.360 when they talk in a phone booth or on a cell phone.

00:18:42.660 Now, I think in some cases, YouTube and Facebook and Twitter

00:18:45.140 and other social media companies do get involved in determining what content is published.

00:18:50.500 In particular, they throttle conservative sites and they boost liberal sites and they say so.

00:18:55.680 But putting that exception aside and getting back to Trudeau's mandate letter to Guilbaume,

00:19:01.020 the government of Canada is stripping American Internet companies of all of their immunity.

00:19:08.100 All of it.

00:19:08.580 Let me read Trudeau's mandate letter one last time.

00:19:12.440 Create new regulations for social media platforms,

00:19:15.640 starting with a requirement that all platforms remove illegal content,

00:19:19.980 including hate speech, within 24 hours or face significant penalties.

00:19:25.680 Yeah, no.

00:19:27.340 No, you can't hold Facebook, Twitter, Google, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat liable

00:19:33.400 for what's on them.

00:19:35.020 The treaty says so.

00:19:36.440 You can't blame the phone company for words someone else says on the phone to you.

00:19:43.320 That's against the treaty.

00:19:45.880 Now, Mexico negotiated a three-year exemption from that part of the treaty.

00:19:52.560 I guess there's still censors down there, a little bit heavy-handed, like Angela Merkel, I guess.

00:19:59.320 A lot of third-world countries still have that authoritarian instinct.

00:20:02.400 So Trump is giving Mexico three years to fix that.

00:20:06.760 But even then, it's clear that what Mexico is most concerned about is keeping their laws that,

00:20:12.340 and I quote,

00:20:12.840 protect against online sex trafficking, sexual exploitation of children, and prostitution.

00:20:20.820 So Mexico has a three-year exemption, which they wanted to fight pedophiles.

00:20:28.200 Okay.

00:20:29.500 Trudeau wants an exemption to fight conservative critics,

00:20:33.580 except that he forgot to negotiate for it, like the Mexicans negotiated for their exemption.

00:20:40.920 And Chrystia Freeland's crack team of negotiators apparently forgot, too.

00:20:46.080 Now, in some ways, I bet these American tech companies would love to censor anyone that Trudeau

00:20:53.360 wants to censor, too.

00:20:55.060 And indeed, they do already sometimes.

00:20:57.900 But that's their own censorship choice.

00:21:00.580 They're not obeying direct orders from Trudeau or Catherine McKenna or Gerald Butts,

00:21:05.660 who obviously spend their time searching for mean things that people say about them on Twitter.

00:21:10.720 I mean, we've seen what Catherine McKenna says and does after a few drinks at the bar.

00:21:17.180 So imagine she's out drinking one night and gets upset about some tweet,

00:21:21.600 gets really mad about some comment someone makes online,

00:21:24.660 and she phones in a bunch of angry requests to Twitter on a Saturday night complaining against hate speech. 1.00

00:21:33.120 I'm sure she has done that many times before.

00:21:36.240 But now, if the companies don't jump and censor within 24 hours,

00:21:42.020 they'll have to pay millions of dollars in fines.

00:21:44.520 They can't just ignore Catherine McKenna.

00:21:47.360 They better jump within 24 hours.

00:21:49.220 Yeah.

00:21:50.020 I don't know if they're going to do that.

00:21:51.800 I mean, Canada's media party is fine with this.

00:21:56.680 Canada's conservative opposition is probably fine with this.

00:22:00.800 Canada's civil liberties groups are absolutely fine with this.

00:22:04.480 But Donald Trump and his trade negotiators,

00:22:07.820 I'm going to guess they're not fine with some second-rate Canadian politicians

00:22:13.260 giving huge fines to U.S. companies

00:22:16.680 because they got their feelings hurt online.

00:22:22.200 So get ready for a trade war

00:22:24.040 before the USMCA is even officially ratified,

00:22:28.260 and all because Trudeau and his team have such a thin skin,

00:22:32.940 and they couldn't even be bothered to actually read their own free trade treaty.

00:22:39.660 Stay with us for more.

00:22:40.740 Welcome back.

00:22:53.320 Well, the other day we told you that a national survey

00:22:57.300 commissioned by the gay rights group called GLAAD

00:23:00.580 found that the number of millennials in America

00:23:04.080 who call themselves allies of LGBT

00:23:07.380 has fallen almost in half

00:23:10.520 from about two-thirds of American millennials

00:23:13.280 to barely one-third.

00:23:15.920 And my thesis is that it is the extreme trans agenda 0.97

00:23:20.960 which has turned off so many young people,

00:23:24.580 anyone who has, for example, competed in women's sports, 0.79

00:23:28.780 anyone who thinks it's a little bit creepy

00:23:31.440 for men to change in women's locker rooms. 1.00

00:23:34.700 I believe that is why

00:23:36.280 the generation of growing support for gay rights

00:23:41.040 has stopped,

00:23:42.120 because it's not so much gay rights

00:23:43.720 that's being challenged or resisted,

00:23:45.900 but the T in the LGBT. 0.78

00:23:49.920 And joining us now to talk about

00:23:51.840 one case of trans-extremism

00:23:54.840 is our friend Barbara Kay,

00:23:56.640 who joins us via Skype.

00:23:57.700 Nice to see you again, Barbara.

00:23:59.160 Were you aware of that GLAAD survey

00:24:01.680 that showed for three years in a row

00:24:04.060 the number of millennials

00:24:05.500 that call themselves allies of LGBT

00:24:08.340 has plummeted?

00:24:11.140 No, I was not aware,

00:24:13.020 but when I heard it,

00:24:14.860 I agreed with your assessment.

00:24:16.340 I do think, I've been saying for years,

00:24:18.920 get the T out of that acronym,

00:24:23.000 because you've got colliding interests.

00:24:27.700 The interests of the trans activists

00:24:29.920 are sometimes actually in collision

00:24:33.840 with what gays and lesbians,

00:24:38.520 the rights they want to have.

00:24:40.260 So I think that the trans activists

00:24:42.940 have really gone off the deep end

00:24:44.900 and so that the rational people

00:24:47.300 in the rest of the movement

00:24:48.600 are being harmed by their presence.

00:24:51.540 And I agree with your assessment.

00:24:53.640 If I was an L or a G or a B,

00:24:56.620 I would be furious with one Jonathan Yaniv,

00:24:59.680 who calls himself Jessica Yaniv.

00:25:01.380 He's the British Columbian

00:25:02.840 who foisted himself

00:25:04.020 upon so many women estheticians 0.98

00:25:07.140 who's now saying

00:25:08.140 he's going to go after a gynecologist 0.99

00:25:09.900 for not examining him, 0.80

00:25:11.700 even though he has no lady parts.

00:25:13.060 I think that no one person

00:25:15.760 has done more damage to that cause

00:25:18.380 than Jonathan Yaniv.

00:25:19.740 And I don't even go along

00:25:20.680 with calling him Jessica

00:25:21.620 because even his own mum

00:25:23.360 calls him he and him.

00:25:26.500 The whole thing's a scam in my view.

00:25:29.280 That is the setting.

00:25:31.820 But let's talk about another case

00:25:33.940 that you've been following.

00:25:35.180 It's the case of a young girl 0.99

00:25:38.140 in Ontario

00:25:39.380 who was taught in her classroom,

00:25:43.660 quote,

00:25:44.120 girls are not real 1.00

00:25:45.740 and boys are not real. 0.99

00:25:48.900 It's junk science to begin with. 0.99

00:25:50.560 It's false. 0.99

00:25:51.660 It's fake news.

00:25:52.880 It's just untrue science-wise.

00:25:56.640 But it really screws up young people 0.98

00:26:00.100 who are conditioned to trust teachers

00:26:02.820 and other people in authority.

00:26:04.160 Tell me a little bit more about the case

00:26:05.660 of Pamela and Jason Buffoni

00:26:08.060 and their daughter.

00:26:09.620 Yes, this case came to my attention

00:26:11.460 a few months ago

00:26:12.300 and I did write about it once before.

00:26:14.640 But I'm writing about it again

00:26:16.100 because the principal in this case,

00:26:18.400 Pamela Buffoni,

00:26:19.500 has taken her own experience

00:26:20.740 to a much more positive level.

00:26:23.020 But just to recap her case,

00:26:25.060 her daughter, N,

00:26:27.980 as she's referred to,

00:26:29.500 came home from grade one class

00:26:31.660 very upset,

00:26:32.900 very distraught

00:26:33.620 because the teacher

00:26:34.720 had told the kids,

00:26:36.260 she put up a big diagram,

00:26:38.280 where are you on the gender spectrum

00:26:40.420 and do you feel like a girl

00:26:42.640 or a boy

00:26:43.180 or somewhere in between,

00:26:44.740 encouraging the kids

00:26:45.800 to take a position

00:26:47.840 that was not entirely

00:26:50.000 one side or the other.

00:26:52.520 So she said,

00:26:54.360 I'm a girl.

00:26:55.620 And then the teacher said,

00:26:57.220 oh, well, girls aren't real 1.00

00:26:58.360 and boys aren't real,

00:26:59.420 meaning this was for her shorthand

00:27:01.440 for gender fluidity, 0.59

00:27:03.280 but how she expected

00:27:04.380 the six-year-olds

00:27:05.160 to understand this,

00:27:06.160 I don't know.

00:27:07.140 So this child was very upset by it

00:27:09.400 and in subsequent lessons,

00:27:10.960 the same type of thing

00:27:12.160 was being said again and again

00:27:13.640 and producing great anxiety

00:27:16.180 in this child.

00:27:17.360 The upshot was eventually

00:27:18.700 they did take her out of the school,

00:27:20.260 but the parents tried to reason.

00:27:22.820 First they went to see the teacher,

00:27:25.420 then they went to see the principal.

00:27:27.000 Nobody saw anything wrong

00:27:29.160 with these lessons being taught.

00:27:30.760 They thought,

00:27:31.360 well, perhaps she phrased it badly,

00:27:33.980 and we're very sorry

00:27:35.300 that your daughter is upset.

00:27:37.420 But no, we have to teach these things

00:27:39.780 because this is how it is.

00:27:42.640 And we have to be inclusive

00:27:44.260 and we have to make sure

00:27:45.480 everybody feels accepted,

00:27:47.280 the usual stuff.

00:27:48.580 Anyways, they got no satisfaction at all

00:27:50.860 going right up to the superintendent of schools

00:27:53.240 who just said,

00:27:54.820 too bad about your daughter.

00:27:56.420 So basically, in other words,

00:27:58.140 have to suck it up. 0.99

00:27:59.000 So they have taken a human rights claim.

00:28:02.940 They are challenging the district school board

00:28:07.900 in a human rights claim.

00:28:09.500 They're represented by the Justice Center

00:28:11.520 for Constitutional Freedoms

00:28:12.740 on whose board I sit

00:28:14.200 with a very able lawyer,

00:28:16.400 and I hope that they can make headway there.

00:28:18.360 I'm not at all sure they will

00:28:20.120 because probably, you know,

00:28:22.420 the human rights tribunals

00:28:23.600 usually are going to represent,

00:28:27.640 you know, an entire school board.

00:28:29.160 If they win their case,

00:28:31.140 it means the school board

00:28:32.060 is going to have to revise

00:28:33.260 their curriculum in the end.

00:28:35.920 Can you remind me,

00:28:36.360 is this a public school

00:28:37.920 or a Catholic school?

00:28:39.120 Yeah, public.

00:28:39.920 It's very public.

00:28:40.880 So it's a government school.

00:28:42.180 And now we hear a lot about science

00:28:45.360 and science-based policy

00:28:47.360 and evidence-based policy.

00:28:49.120 And, you know,

00:28:51.660 we see in the sex ed curriculum

00:28:55.900 the six genders.

00:28:58.440 Facebook says there's 53 genders.

00:29:01.100 I forget how many

00:29:01.820 the city of New York says.

00:29:04.060 71, I guess.

00:29:05.380 71.

00:29:05.960 71.

00:29:06.620 There you go.

00:29:07.320 So hyperinflation in genders. 0.98

00:29:10.460 Look, they can't all be true.

00:29:14.060 And I would put it to you,

00:29:15.320 none of those things are true.

00:29:16.960 But these are,

00:29:17.480 these are,

00:29:18.320 this is not,

00:29:20.260 I mean, this is opinion.

00:29:21.660 But it's been taught

00:29:22.540 to children of tender years

00:29:24.380 as fact.

00:29:25.960 Is there anyone,

00:29:27.560 I mean, yes,

00:29:28.120 we could take on

00:29:28.800 the school bureaucrats.

00:29:30.220 But surely this goes much higher

00:29:32.200 up the chain of command.

00:29:34.480 Surely this goes right

00:29:35.440 into the education minister's office,

00:29:38.260 the premier's office even.

00:29:39.720 One of the things

00:29:40.880 that Doug Ford,

00:29:43.040 the premier of Ontario,

00:29:44.000 campaigned on

00:29:44.780 was reviewing these excesses.

00:29:47.780 So I'm glad that this student

00:29:50.720 and her parents

00:29:51.280 are taking the school

00:29:52.640 to the human rights tribunal.

00:29:54.200 I think they're going to lose.

00:29:55.360 I think it's a kangaroo court.

00:29:56.780 I think it's an activist group.

00:30:00.120 But I don't think

00:30:01.040 they should even have to go there.

00:30:02.300 I think they should be

00:30:03.020 pulled out by the route

00:30:05.360 by the premier

00:30:06.600 and the education minister.

00:30:07.580 Where are they on

00:30:08.120 all this whole thing?

00:30:10.060 Oh, they're,

00:30:11.040 as far as I know,

00:30:12.280 they have not really

00:30:14.200 done much on this file

00:30:16.080 to change things yet.

00:30:17.440 I don't know

00:30:17.860 if it's still under review.

00:30:19.060 I'm not really getting

00:30:21.020 any information

00:30:22.080 about if and when

00:30:24.520 and how much

00:30:25.100 is going to be changed.

00:30:26.240 Or maybe,

00:30:27.220 I don't think

00:30:27.980 they're going to stop

00:30:28.860 teaching trans ideology.

00:30:31.540 I think maybe the goal

00:30:33.180 is to put it off

00:30:34.380 for a few years.

00:30:36.060 But, you know,

00:30:37.060 it's very hard to,

00:30:39.340 as you say,

00:30:39.980 pull it out,

00:30:40.820 root and branch.

00:30:41.540 You've got the teachers unions.

00:30:42.860 You've got, you know,

00:30:43.500 the educational establishment

00:30:44.800 is all on side for this.

00:30:46.600 And, of course,

00:30:47.580 the people teaching

00:30:48.500 the educators

00:30:49.200 in places like OISE,

00:30:51.620 they're the first ones

00:30:52.580 to be on side

00:30:53.300 because this is considered

00:30:54.800 very progressive,

00:30:57.280 you know,

00:30:58.380 and very science-based.

00:30:59.560 I mean, it's not based

00:31:00.800 in the kind of science

00:31:01.620 you and I respect,

00:31:02.580 but it is based

00:31:04.660 in pseudoscience,

00:31:05.860 which is good enough

00:31:06.640 for them, you know.

00:31:08.820 It's maybe,

00:31:10.500 it's a very uphill battle,

00:31:11.800 but I would like to add

00:31:13.140 that Pamela Buffoni

00:31:14.760 and some of her allies,

00:31:16.600 she's done remarkable work

00:31:18.120 in starting a new publication,

00:31:19.840 an online publication

00:31:20.900 called the Canadian Gender Report.

00:31:23.860 And they are,

00:31:25.000 this is all fact-based stuff

00:31:27.280 with resources for parents.

00:31:29.560 for parents to understand

00:31:31.620 what their children

00:31:32.540 are being taught

00:31:33.260 and how to push back

00:31:35.100 against it

00:31:35.720 in an intelligent way

00:31:36.960 and with evidence,

00:31:38.100 not just, you know,

00:31:39.540 frustration and anger.

00:31:40.940 So I really applaud.

00:31:42.780 She's kind of a hero to me

00:31:44.240 because she's doing

00:31:45.460 what has to be done

00:31:46.400 in a very rational way.

00:31:47.940 Yeah.

00:31:48.240 For folks who want

00:31:49.040 to check that out,

00:31:49.680 they can go to

00:31:50.220 genderreport.ca.

00:31:52.460 I just want to clarify

00:31:53.920 one thing.

00:31:54.440 You mentioned OISE

00:31:55.220 and some of our viewers

00:31:56.580 who aren't from Ontario

00:31:57.400 might say,

00:31:57.840 what's OISE?

00:31:58.620 That's the education school

00:32:01.340 affiliated with

00:32:02.460 the University of Toronto.

00:32:03.580 I think it stands

00:32:04.140 for the Ontario Institute

00:32:05.200 of Studies and Education.

00:32:06.480 Am I right on that?

00:32:07.920 Yes.

00:32:08.200 So it's basically

00:32:08.900 where the most radical

00:32:10.100 educational theories

00:32:11.480 are cooked up

00:32:12.720 and then sent

00:32:14.380 into the schools.

00:32:15.760 You know,

00:32:15.960 the other day,

00:32:16.720 I thought that

00:32:18.300 something's going to snap

00:32:19.860 when soccer moms 0.73

00:32:22.620 say,

00:32:23.880 hey,

00:32:24.120 who's that boy

00:32:25.000 on the field

00:32:25.780 shoving our girls around?

00:32:27.900 And then they're told,

00:32:29.060 no,

00:32:29.200 that's not a boy,

00:32:30.060 that's a trans girl. 1.00

00:32:31.020 And they say, 0.99

00:32:31.800 the hell he is. 0.69

00:32:33.460 And when this gets

00:32:34.420 very real,

00:32:35.700 when there's a high school

00:32:37.380 where a boy

00:32:38.280 says he's trans

00:32:40.060 and goes into

00:32:40.720 the changing room

00:32:41.660 and gropes a girl

00:32:43.080 or God forbid 0.98

00:32:43.780 even rapes a girl, 0.95

00:32:44.660 I think this is going 0.56

00:32:45.360 to get extremely real,

00:32:47.320 extremely quickly

00:32:48.320 when it moves

00:32:49.640 out of the realm

00:32:50.320 of the OISEs

00:32:51.500 and the,

00:32:52.740 you know,

00:32:53.620 the classroom

00:32:54.460 and into

00:32:55.100 the real world

00:32:56.780 manifestation

00:32:59.160 of this ideology.

00:33:01.780 And I think

00:33:02.760 that any politician,

00:33:04.340 they don't even

00:33:04.680 have to be conservative.

00:33:06.160 They just have to be

00:33:06.980 listening to their

00:33:07.800 constituents.

00:33:08.940 I think this is

00:33:09.860 the sleeper issue.

00:33:11.100 Anyone who has courage

00:33:12.120 to take this on,

00:33:12.980 not in a mean way,

00:33:14.600 not in a bullying

00:33:15.800 the trans people way,

00:33:17.600 but just in the

00:33:18.500 you have gone too far,

00:33:20.260 now you're the bully 0.52

00:33:21.180 kind of way. 0.64

00:33:21.780 Whoever speaks

00:33:22.780 to this clearly

00:33:23.680 and fairly

00:33:24.580 and with some compassion,

00:33:26.040 by the way,

00:33:27.120 whoever takes this on,

00:33:28.360 I think will have

00:33:29.120 tremendous political success.

00:33:31.160 I hope you're right.

00:33:32.340 I have to say

00:33:33.340 that,

00:33:33.920 you know,

00:33:34.940 I said a year or two ago,

00:33:36.360 well,

00:33:36.960 sports is going to be

00:33:37.840 where the rubber

00:33:38.340 hits the road

00:33:38.980 and where this is going

00:33:39.980 to come to a grinding halt.

00:33:41.540 But in fact,

00:33:42.280 it has happened

00:33:43.660 in sport

00:33:44.280 and so far

00:33:45.440 nobody is stopping it

00:33:47.540 because,

00:33:48.200 again,

00:33:48.540 like the educators,

00:33:49.880 the sports establishment

00:33:51.040 people,

00:33:52.000 the theorists

00:33:53.120 in the sports world

00:33:54.460 are also on side

00:33:56.040 and the rules

00:33:56.800 have gotten looser,

00:33:58.020 not tighter.

00:33:58.560 In high school

00:34:00.220 and university,

00:34:01.880 the rules are

00:34:02.900 you don't even have

00:34:03.820 to be on testosterone

00:34:04.980 reduction.

00:34:05.980 You can be a male

00:34:07.060 and walk in

00:34:08.440 and say,

00:34:09.120 I feel like

00:34:10.000 I'm a female

00:34:10.700 and do not even

00:34:12.100 be socially transitioning

00:34:13.380 and you're allowed

00:34:14.480 to play on the

00:34:15.220 women's sports teams.

00:34:16.700 So,

00:34:17.580 you know,

00:34:17.980 I can't quite figure out

00:34:20.080 why it's gone on

00:34:21.280 so long.

00:34:21.880 You have girls

00:34:23.400 with dreams

00:34:25.000 of,

00:34:25.300 you know,

00:34:25.560 track and field

00:34:26.360 making it

00:34:27.440 in amateur sports

00:34:29.220 and they're not

00:34:30.400 because there are guys

00:34:32.380 in male bodies

00:34:33.640 in that sport

00:34:34.520 running and jumping

00:34:36.420 and,

00:34:37.060 you know,

00:34:37.300 anything that requires

00:34:38.240 power and speed.

00:34:39.740 They are winning

00:34:40.320 and I don't know,

00:34:42.340 the parents,

00:34:42.980 they all seem

00:34:43.560 too intimidated.

00:34:45.460 When is the revolution

00:34:46.540 coming?

00:34:47.100 I'd love to see it

00:34:48.160 on the athletic field.

00:34:49.300 I really would.

00:34:50.020 Yeah,

00:34:50.180 well,

00:34:50.380 I think it will come.

00:34:51.440 I mean,

00:34:51.860 I think it's like

00:34:52.820 when the sky is humid

00:34:55.020 and it's hot

00:34:56.120 and it just needs something

00:34:57.520 and the downpour

00:34:58.820 is going to come.

00:34:59.520 The air is pregnant 0.99

00:35:00.480 with it.

00:35:00.940 That's what I think.

00:35:02.040 But,

00:35:02.240 you know,

00:35:02.620 I want to tell you,

00:35:04.120 I mean,

00:35:04.320 we publish a lot

00:35:05.620 of political commentary

00:35:08.440 that's politically incorrect

00:35:09.580 and some of it

00:35:10.300 is on the edge

00:35:10.960 of these controversies.

00:35:12.520 We talk about

00:35:13.420 radical Islam,

00:35:14.900 we talk about

00:35:15.700 feminism,

00:35:16.540 we talk about

00:35:17.020 a number of things

00:35:17.700 that gets us

00:35:18.280 in a little bit

00:35:19.080 of trouble

00:35:19.480 with social media

00:35:20.540 censors

00:35:21.300 on YouTube,

00:35:22.300 Facebook,

00:35:23.480 Twitter.

00:35:24.140 But I have to tell you,

00:35:25.180 Barbara,

00:35:25.500 there is nothing

00:35:26.440 as ferocious

00:35:28.440 as censorship

00:35:29.880 around the trans issue.

00:35:31.260 When we sent

00:35:33.080 our reporter

00:35:33.600 Kian Bexte

00:35:34.400 to cover

00:35:35.140 Jonathan Yaniv's

00:35:36.940 criminal trial

00:35:38.040 in BC

00:35:38.780 the other day,

00:35:39.360 he had an illegal weapon.

00:35:41.520 Anytime Kian would say 1.00

00:35:43.360 he or him

00:35:44.680 or Jonathan,

00:35:46.260 his account

00:35:46.820 was immediately

00:35:47.520 frozen

00:35:48.320 and suspended.

00:35:49.260 it's like

00:35:50.740 they had someone

00:35:51.380 assigned to watch

00:35:52.940 him in real time.

00:35:54.360 His account

00:35:54.820 was suspended

00:35:55.380 five times

00:35:56.820 in one day.

00:35:59.000 And then another

00:35:59.480 reporter who was

00:36:00.340 reporting on his

00:36:01.240 being suspended,

00:36:02.620 she was suspended,

00:36:03.680 your colleague

00:36:04.140 at the Postmillennial,

00:36:05.140 Anna Slats.

00:36:06.040 In my entire life

00:36:07.800 of provocative speech,

00:36:09.800 shall we say,

00:36:10.720 going back even

00:36:11.480 to the Danish cartoons

00:36:12.540 a decade ago,

00:36:13.280 I have to tell you,

00:36:14.060 Barbara,

00:36:14.280 I have never

00:36:15.480 seen censorship

00:36:16.460 as fast

00:36:17.720 and furious

00:36:18.500 as I have

00:36:19.560 on the trans issue.

00:36:20.420 I would tell you

00:36:20.880 if I had.

00:36:22.120 Whether,

00:36:22.440 not even...

00:36:23.640 No,

00:36:24.160 I think somebody

00:36:25.060 is actually

00:36:25.960 on it,

00:36:27.140 like,

00:36:27.580 on a full-time basis

00:36:29.100 looking for this stuff.

00:36:30.800 And I agree with you.

00:36:32.000 I was suspended

00:36:32.900 for 24 hours

00:36:33.920 on a trans tweet.

00:36:35.940 And I thought,

00:36:38.100 wow,

00:36:39.420 you know,

00:36:39.740 they really are

00:36:40.420 on everybody.

00:36:41.380 so it's a kind

00:36:45.240 of mania.

00:36:46.460 And I think you're

00:36:47.080 right.

00:36:47.580 It has to be...

00:36:48.500 It's going to burn

00:36:49.220 out suddenly

00:36:50.360 because there's

00:36:52.900 too much craziness

00:36:53.820 in this movement.

00:36:54.980 And by the way,

00:36:55.900 what I'm starting

00:36:56.640 to see now

00:36:57.340 are articles

00:36:58.900 by trans people

00:37:00.700 who say,

00:37:02.860 I feel threatened

00:37:05.820 by the activists,

00:37:07.100 the trans activists,

00:37:07.980 because I feel

00:37:09.040 that people are

00:37:09.660 looking at me.

00:37:10.540 I just want

00:37:11.760 to get along.

00:37:12.600 I can compromise.

00:37:13.940 I don't have

00:37:14.500 a problem

00:37:15.020 with male bodies

00:37:17.120 not being on female sports

00:37:18.420 or in rape crisis centers

00:37:20.000 or in locker rooms.

00:37:21.760 I understand.

00:37:23.400 But these activists

00:37:24.400 are making me look bad.

00:37:26.360 And I wish

00:37:27.040 they'd stop.

00:37:27.840 So maybe

00:37:28.860 within the trans community,

00:37:30.540 they're going to be able

00:37:31.280 to shut these people up

00:37:32.340 because they've gotten

00:37:33.200 so out of bounds.

00:37:35.040 Yeah,

00:37:35.260 I mean,

00:37:35.460 we've talked to some

00:37:36.180 people like that.

00:37:37.220 Our former reporter,

00:37:38.060 Jessica Svjetunovsky,

00:37:39.140 did an in-depth biography

00:37:41.140 on Jonathan Yaniv

00:37:42.380 and Jessica interviewed

00:37:44.440 a trans person

00:37:46.640 who just,

00:37:49.180 that's how they want to live.

00:37:50.600 And okay,

00:37:51.200 fine,

00:37:51.520 don't pick on them.

00:37:52.820 But he or she,

00:37:54.660 I'm so confused,

00:37:56.420 was so different

00:37:59.200 than Yaniv,

00:38:00.560 who's clearly an activist

00:38:02.100 using it as a weapon.

00:38:03.280 The phrase I use,

00:38:04.580 and I use this way

00:38:06.900 of thinking

00:38:07.440 when I was prosecuted

00:38:09.400 for publishing

00:38:10.000 the Danish cartoons

00:38:10.880 a dozen years ago,

00:38:11.960 I said,

00:38:12.560 the Human Rights Act,

00:38:14.060 the Human Rights Commission,

00:38:15.660 if you take it

00:38:16.660 on good faith,

00:38:17.560 which I suppose

00:38:18.040 we have to,

00:38:18.960 it was created

00:38:19.880 to be a shield

00:38:21.280 to protect people,

00:38:23.160 not a sword

00:38:24.400 to attack people.

00:38:25.700 Yeah.

00:38:26.740 And the difference

00:38:27.560 between a shield

00:38:28.180 and a sword,

00:38:29.080 this normal trans person

00:38:30.700 that our Jessica interviewed,

00:38:32.000 don't pick on them.

00:38:34.560 Don't bug them.

00:38:35.400 Don't attack them.

00:38:36.640 Whereas Jonathan Yaniv

00:38:38.380 doesn't want a shield

00:38:40.580 to be protected

00:38:41.700 from bullies, 0.95

00:38:43.240 he is the bully 0.79

00:38:44.360 who's gamed the system 0.96

00:38:46.060 and is using it

00:38:46.840 as a sword.

00:38:47.640 These boys

00:38:48.460 joining the girls

00:38:49.140 sports teams,

00:38:50.000 they're not using it

00:38:50.860 as a shield

00:38:51.400 to protect themselves,

00:38:52.540 they're using it

00:38:53.340 as a sword

00:38:54.020 to push their way in

00:38:55.600 to get some easy wins.

00:38:57.340 I think that's the way

00:38:58.360 to think of it.

00:38:59.300 They've turned

00:39:00.120 human rights

00:39:00.780 into a sword

00:39:02.100 instead of a shield.

00:39:03.340 Well, it's an excellent

00:39:04.260 distinction

00:39:04.700 and I think

00:39:05.240 you're absolutely right

00:39:06.020 and I think

00:39:06.500 the Jonathan Yaniv story,

00:39:08.900 that was a kind

00:39:10.160 of tipping point

00:39:11.300 because that was

00:39:12.280 the moment

00:39:12.840 when,

00:39:13.880 if they were smart,

00:39:15.100 trans activists

00:39:16.100 would have said,

00:39:17.100 you know what,

00:39:17.500 we dissociate ourselves

00:39:18.800 from this person

00:39:20.100 because this is

00:39:22.360 irrationality,

00:39:24.220 this is combativeness,

00:39:26.640 we don't want to have

00:39:27.700 anything to do

00:39:28.300 with this

00:39:28.660 because we want

00:39:30.360 compassion for

00:39:31.380 trans people

00:39:32.400 and we realize

00:39:33.280 that in standing

00:39:34.160 behind him

00:39:34.880 or saying nothing,

00:39:36.200 we're endorsing

00:39:37.640 this kind of behavior

00:39:38.820 and it's really

00:39:40.700 so reprehensible

00:39:42.080 to, 0.99

00:39:43.580 and he is a bully, 0.89

00:39:44.700 you're absolutely right. 0.93

00:39:45.600 Well, let me make

00:39:47.300 a prediction

00:39:47.820 and it's an unhappy,

00:39:49.660 I'm sorry,

00:39:50.020 go ahead.

00:39:51.380 No, is this going

00:39:52.000 to be suspended

00:39:52.740 or something

00:39:53.200 because I said he?

00:39:54.160 I don't know.

00:39:54.920 Well, it could be.

00:39:56.920 I want to make

00:39:59.660 a prediction

00:40:00.120 that's an unhappy

00:40:01.000 prediction

00:40:01.500 but I've been

00:40:02.160 in the free speech

00:40:03.260 business for over

00:40:04.340 a dozen years now

00:40:05.260 as you know.

00:40:06.380 I predict,

00:40:07.340 I have not

00:40:07.940 poked around

00:40:09.100 genderreport.ca

00:40:11.580 that Pamela Buffoni

00:40:13.760 has set up

00:40:14.420 but I will predict

00:40:15.620 that before the end

00:40:16.860 of the year 2020

00:40:17.980 in the next 12 months

00:40:20.100 that site will be

00:40:21.420 blocked

00:40:21.960 on various

00:40:23.480 internet service

00:40:24.340 providers.

00:40:24.880 For example,

00:40:25.280 you might not be

00:40:25.920 able to get it

00:40:26.540 if you're a TELUS

00:40:27.700 or a Shaw

00:40:28.700 internet subscriber.

00:40:30.100 It will be downranked

00:40:32.060 in Google searches.

00:40:33.760 It will be throttled.

00:40:35.440 Its Twitter account

00:40:36.440 if it has one

00:40:37.240 will be shut down

00:40:38.400 and I predict

00:40:39.920 and I say this

00:40:40.700 without even having

00:40:41.400 gone through the material

00:40:42.200 and I say that it

00:40:43.800 may find itself

00:40:45.380 booted off the internet,

00:40:47.240 its domain name

00:40:48.780 taken away

00:40:49.640 and they may

00:40:51.260 actually be hit

00:40:52.480 with either

00:40:53.400 a human rights

00:40:54.400 complaint

00:40:54.940 or even

00:40:55.640 a nuisance

00:40:56.960 lawsuit

00:40:58.080 in civil court.

00:40:59.080 I say all of this,

00:41:00.520 Barbara,

00:41:01.320 without having even

00:41:02.340 gone through it,

00:41:03.080 simply the fact

00:41:04.020 that they dare

00:41:04.960 to speak out

00:41:06.200 and have it

00:41:07.400 in some sort of form

00:41:09.040 on the internet,

00:41:10.200 I predict

00:41:11.040 that Pamela Buffon

00:41:12.660 will be the target

00:41:14.580 again

00:41:15.080 of a sword

00:41:16.160 of someone

00:41:17.920 using trans

00:41:19.220 to get her, 0.98

00:41:20.540 to shut her up. 0.99

00:41:21.400 That is my

00:41:22.120 unhappy prediction

00:41:23.200 that we will see

00:41:24.500 harm,

00:41:26.260 legal harm,

00:41:27.320 financial harm

00:41:28.180 come to

00:41:29.020 Pamela Buffon

00:41:29.920 in the next 12 months

00:41:31.500 and I'm so sorry

00:41:32.100 to say that,

00:41:32.620 that's just my

00:41:33.060 observation

00:41:33.560 and my hunch.

00:41:34.780 Well,

00:41:35.540 I pray

00:41:36.700 that you're going

00:41:37.280 to be proven wrong,

00:41:38.960 obviously,

00:41:39.640 because

00:41:40.080 it's not just

00:41:41.340 Pamela,

00:41:41.920 there's other people

00:41:42.540 out there

00:41:42.980 doing great work

00:41:44.240 on setting the record

00:41:45.360 straight 0.70

00:41:45.760 and on presenting

00:41:47.000 real science

00:41:48.200 but if you are right

00:41:50.360 by that time

00:41:51.820 we'll all be

00:41:54.460 in deep trouble.

00:41:55.440 Yeah.

00:41:55.900 Well,

00:41:56.480 Barbara,

00:41:56.840 you're one of the

00:41:57.340 bravest journalists

00:41:58.220 in the country,

00:41:59.020 you've been on

00:41:59.700 this beat before

00:42:00.920 just about anybody,

00:42:02.500 every time I see you

00:42:04.420 published in the

00:42:05.100 National Post

00:42:05.800 I breathe a sigh

00:42:06.940 of relief

00:42:07.420 because I can only

00:42:08.220 imagine the pressure

00:42:09.740 they're under

00:42:10.540 to jettison you,

00:42:12.500 it's a bit of a miracle

00:42:14.840 they're holding out

00:42:15.520 and I don't want

00:42:16.000 to jinx it

00:42:16.580 by calling attention

00:42:17.500 to it

00:42:17.920 and I'm glad

00:42:19.440 you're also

00:42:19.960 dipping a toe

00:42:21.080 into activism too

00:42:22.240 with the JCCF

00:42:24.880 and our friend

00:42:25.400 John Carpe,

00:42:26.100 we know him well,

00:42:27.100 actually helping

00:42:28.020 the Buffonis,

00:42:28.800 I think that's

00:42:29.240 very good news.

00:42:30.080 Last word to you,

00:42:30.840 my friend.

00:42:32.120 No,

00:42:32.400 thanks for having me

00:42:33.140 on about this issue,

00:42:34.660 Ezra,

00:42:34.960 I guess you've made me

00:42:35.760 kind of a little bit

00:42:36.580 depressed

00:42:37.000 and I'll have to

00:42:40.140 deal with that.

00:42:40.900 I really hope

00:42:41.820 you are wrong. 0.79

00:42:42.600 I think we just

00:42:43.480 have to keep writing

00:42:45.200 and you have to

00:42:46.100 keep broadcasting

00:42:46.840 as though we're

00:42:48.580 going to win this

00:42:49.080 battle because who

00:42:50.920 knows,

00:42:51.160 maybe we will.

00:42:51.720 Hey,

00:42:51.980 take heart from the

00:42:52.820 fact that the

00:42:55.880 Conservatives in the

00:42:56.740 UK had such a big

00:42:58.300 victory.

00:42:58.720 I think in part

00:42:59.560 the people were

00:43:00.860 rejecting the kind

00:43:02.960 of small-mindedness

00:43:05.160 and anti-decency,

00:43:09.500 anti-norms

00:43:11.400 and fair play.

00:43:13.620 People want a level

00:43:14.480 playing field,

00:43:16.160 I think,

00:43:16.780 in democracies

00:43:17.640 and they got fed up

00:43:19.280 with what they were

00:43:20.040 being told was,

00:43:21.480 you know,

00:43:21.720 the right way to vote.

00:43:22.620 So I take a little bit

00:43:24.040 of heart from that.

00:43:25.200 Yeah,

00:43:25.440 you know,

00:43:25.800 I mean,

00:43:26.160 I am so glad you

00:43:27.180 mentioned that.

00:43:27.680 Let me show you a

00:43:28.560 super quick clip.

00:43:29.440 This is Jeremy Corbyn

00:43:30.580 announcing his pronouns.

00:43:33.640 I've never seen such a

00:43:34.960 thing.

00:43:35.400 Here,

00:43:35.580 take a look at this.

00:43:36.500 Hi,

00:43:36.740 I'm Jeremy Corbyn,

00:43:37.620 leader of the Labour Party.

00:43:38.640 My pronouns are he,

00:43:39.460 I haven't seen that

00:43:40.880 before,

00:43:41.240 but that's how woke

00:43:42.380 the Labour Party was.

00:43:44.340 Nothing but grievance

00:43:45.280 groups,

00:43:46.380 nothing but trans 1.00

00:43:47.520 extremism,

00:43:48.300 every other form

00:43:48.940 of extremism,

00:43:49.720 and to see them get

00:43:50.560 absolutely shellacked

00:43:52.220 shows that you

00:43:53.940 shouldn't take these

00:43:55.060 woke activists

00:43:56.220 as the majority.

00:43:58.060 They're just a very

00:43:58.820 noisy minority.

00:44:00.240 They are a very

00:44:01.220 noisy minority,

00:44:02.280 but they are a

00:44:03.440 minority.

00:44:04.120 So,

00:44:04.620 you know,

00:44:05.260 parents,

00:44:05.840 everybody who's

00:44:06.680 upset about this

00:44:07.500 stuff,

00:44:07.800 don't feel you

00:44:09.180 have to be quiet.

00:44:10.640 You know,

00:44:10.880 speak up,

00:44:11.820 and you'll find

00:44:13.780 allies,

00:44:14.520 and go for it.

00:44:16.480 I think you're

00:44:16.880 right.

00:44:17.320 All right,

00:44:17.560 well,

00:44:17.720 thank you so much.

00:44:18.480 Once again,

00:44:18.900 the website is

00:44:19.500 called genderreport.ca.

00:44:22.000 It's a part of a

00:44:23.080 fightback project

00:44:24.020 by Pamela Buffoni,

00:44:25.360 whose own daughter

00:44:26.020 was told,

00:44:27.400 girls are not real 1.00

00:44:28.460 and boys are not real

00:44:29.900 at a tender age

00:44:31.280 in public school.

00:44:32.040 We've been talking

00:44:32.480 with our friend

00:44:32.920 Barbara Cate.

00:44:33.700 Take care out there

00:44:34.520 and keep up the fight.

00:44:36.200 Thanks, Ezra.

00:44:36.840 All right,

00:44:37.580 stay with us.

00:44:38.700 More ahead on the

00:44:39.280 Rebel.

00:44:48.020 Hey,

00:44:48.560 welcome back.

00:44:49.000 On my monologue

00:44:49.500 Friday about Boris

00:44:50.360 Johnson's win in

00:44:51.200 the UK election,

00:44:52.480 Anderson writes,

00:44:54.040 he won because

00:44:54.600 Nigel cares more

00:44:55.540 about British

00:44:56.020 independence than

00:44:57.120 having power

00:44:57.680 himself.

00:44:58.540 Nigel is a

00:44:59.140 British patriot.

00:45:01.000 Absolutely.

00:45:02.000 I think Nigel

00:45:03.480 Farage was the

00:45:04.380 essential man for

00:45:06.080 that period of

00:45:06.820 time.

00:45:07.280 I mean,

00:45:07.660 there are some

00:45:08.540 things where

00:45:09.140 people are

00:45:10.500 dispensable.

00:45:12.260 You know,

00:45:12.460 there's a saying

00:45:13.340 graveyards are

00:45:14.260 full of

00:45:14.620 indispensable men.

00:45:15.660 It's a way of

00:45:16.680 saying don't be

00:45:18.540 too proud of

00:45:21.680 yourself.

00:45:22.660 In the end,

00:45:23.240 we're all dust.

00:45:24.940 Or as,

00:45:26.620 I don't know,

00:45:28.180 the concept that

00:45:29.940 we're all here

00:45:31.300 for a limited

00:45:31.800 time,

00:45:32.260 it's true.

00:45:32.780 But every

00:45:33.740 once in a

00:45:34.180 while there is

00:45:34.680 an indispensable

00:45:35.420 man.

00:45:35.920 I think

00:45:36.240 Winston Churchill

00:45:37.020 was clearly an

00:45:38.400 indispensable man.

00:45:40.660 And I think

00:45:41.680 Nigel Farage was

00:45:42.960 in his own way.

00:45:44.660 Would you agree

00:45:45.420 with me that

00:45:46.660 even though

00:45:47.040 millions of

00:45:47.820 Brits wanted 0.95

00:45:48.400 to be free

00:45:49.080 from the

00:45:49.560 European Union,

00:45:51.040 only Nigel

00:45:52.220 made it happen

00:45:53.380 and could have

00:45:53.860 made it happen?

00:45:54.780 First having

00:45:55.940 the Brexit

00:45:56.360 referendum,

00:45:57.080 then winning

00:45:57.680 the Brexit

00:45:58.280 referendum,

00:45:58.800 and then

00:45:59.560 pressuring the

00:46:00.320 Conservatives

00:46:00.960 to make it

00:46:01.560 their core

00:46:02.800 election platform

00:46:04.480 plank.

00:46:05.080 I truly think

00:46:06.840 that this result

00:46:07.920 is 100%

00:46:09.900 dependent on

00:46:11.820 Nigel.

00:46:12.480 I mean,

00:46:12.640 others helped

00:46:13.200 too,

00:46:13.540 obviously,

00:46:14.000 including Boris

00:46:14.500 Johnson himself.

00:46:15.520 But without

00:46:16.160 Nigel,

00:46:16.560 he was essential.

00:46:18.080 Maybe not

00:46:18.580 sufficient on his

00:46:19.600 own,

00:46:19.780 but he was

00:46:20.100 essential to

00:46:20.800 him.

00:46:21.320 And the irony

00:46:22.080 is he didn't

00:46:22.780 win a single

00:46:23.380 seat in this

00:46:24.340 last election.

00:46:25.440 Well,

00:46:25.840 I'm sure he'll

00:46:26.740 get his reward

00:46:27.420 in other ways.

00:46:29.320 Kevin writes,

00:46:30.640 I live in a

00:46:31.060 poor working

00:46:31.480 class town

00:46:32.040 in the north,

00:46:32.740 and even the

00:46:33.300 unemployed and

00:46:33.820 nurses voted

00:46:34.340 Conservative for

00:46:35.240 the first time

00:46:35.700 ever.

00:46:36.280 Well done,

00:46:36.760 Corbyn.

00:46:38.580 Yeah,

00:46:38.980 that's quite

00:46:39.320 something.

00:46:39.660 He was just

00:46:40.080 so radical.

00:46:40.980 And of course,

00:46:41.380 I haven't been

00:46:42.140 there.

00:46:42.340 I mean,

00:46:42.440 I haven't been

00:46:43.320 to the UK

00:46:43.660 in a month,

00:46:44.540 and when I'm

00:46:44.840 there,

00:46:45.000 I'm usually

00:46:45.300 focused on

00:46:45.860 Tommy Robbins

00:46:46.440 and not on

00:46:47.320 the politics.

00:46:47.760 But I follow

00:46:48.780 the UK much

00:46:49.640 more closely

00:46:50.120 than I ever

00:46:50.540 did before.

00:46:51.180 And when I'm

00:46:51.620 there,

00:46:51.860 I get a

00:46:52.240 feeling for it.

00:46:53.840 And I really

00:46:55.440 think that

00:46:56.100 Jeremy Corbyn,

00:46:57.040 his center

00:46:58.620 of gravity

00:46:59.180 was either

00:46:59.840 the faculty

00:47:00.920 lounge at

00:47:01.660 some left-wing

00:47:02.260 university

00:47:02.840 or a mosque.

00:47:04.820 Those are

00:47:05.180 sort of his

00:47:05.540 two bases,

00:47:06.760 not a

00:47:07.660 working-class

00:47:08.360 factory

00:47:08.960 or a pub.

00:47:11.400 I just don't

00:47:12.020 think it was,

00:47:12.820 and I think

00:47:13.220 it showed.

00:47:14.260 Labor was

00:47:15.380 no longer

00:47:15.940 about laborers.

00:47:18.420 On the

00:47:18.760 resignation of

00:47:19.320 Andrew Scheer

00:47:19.880 and finding a

00:47:20.420 new Conservative

00:47:20.880 leader,

00:47:21.240 Pat writes,

00:47:21.740 we need a

00:47:23.440 disruptor,

00:47:24.660 like Trump 0.92

00:47:25.340 was a

00:47:25.640 disruptor.

00:47:26.880 Someone who

00:47:27.440 has a big

00:47:27.800 social media

00:47:28.340 following,

00:47:28.800 someone who

00:47:29.060 can think

00:47:29.500 quick on

00:47:29.840 their feet

00:47:30.120 and has

00:47:30.360 no problem

00:47:30.800 putting the

00:47:31.520 media party

00:47:32.000 interviewers in

00:47:32.640 their place.

00:47:33.240 The first

00:47:33.620 person who

00:47:33.940 comes to

00:47:34.240 mind is

00:47:34.520 Jordan

00:47:34.720 Peterson.

00:47:37.120 You're

00:47:37.520 right about

00:47:37.920 a disruptor,

00:47:38.640 and that's

00:47:38.820 a very key

00:47:39.520 point,

00:47:40.160 because so

00:47:40.880 much of

00:47:41.440 the free

00:47:41.920 advice that

00:47:42.500 the media

00:47:42.860 is giving

00:47:43.300 the Conservative

00:47:44.300 Party is,

00:47:45.000 oh, you

00:47:45.280 need to

00:47:45.720 stop objecting

00:47:47.120 to our

00:47:47.820 official narratives.

00:47:49.080 You need

00:47:49.520 to be more

00:47:50.420 urbane and

00:47:51.400 cosmopolitan

00:47:52.160 and be

00:47:52.400 more like

00:47:52.900 us.

00:47:55.080 And the

00:47:55.720 thing is,

00:47:55.960 it's hard to

00:47:56.280 be a

00:47:56.520 disruptor because

00:47:57.380 the establishment

00:47:58.280 takes it so

00:47:58.940 personally.

00:48:00.160 The establishment

00:48:00.640 likes nothing

00:48:01.360 better than

00:48:02.680 a happy 1.00

00:48:03.360 loser who 0.99

00:48:04.780 fights but 1.00

00:48:06.180 not hard

00:48:06.740 enough to

00:48:07.160 win and

00:48:07.720 accepts all

00:48:08.280 the premises

00:48:08.720 in advance.

00:48:09.840 I think

00:48:10.060 Jordan Peterson

00:48:10.680 has the

00:48:11.240 mind to

00:48:12.340 be a

00:48:13.300 disruptor,

00:48:14.220 but he

00:48:14.820 doesn't think

00:48:15.600 like a

00:48:16.280 politician.

00:48:17.440 He doesn't

00:48:17.820 speak in

00:48:18.340 short enough

00:48:19.540 soundbites.

00:48:21.420 I don't

00:48:21.660 know if

00:48:21.940 he's built

00:48:22.300 for the

00:48:22.900 hustings and

00:48:25.140 most importantly

00:48:27.380 I think he's

00:48:27.920 got an amazing

00:48:29.060 career as a

00:48:29.800 public intellectual

00:48:30.500 right now that

00:48:31.780 suits him,

00:48:33.800 his personality,

00:48:35.220 it's very

00:48:35.920 financially

00:48:36.400 rewarding.

00:48:37.020 I can't

00:48:37.500 imagine Jordan

00:48:38.260 Peterson would

00:48:39.400 agree to do

00:48:40.300 that.

00:48:40.460 Maybe I'm

00:48:40.740 wrong.

00:48:41.060 I mean,

00:48:41.240 he once wrote

00:48:42.560 in some

00:48:43.040 school yearbook

00:48:43.700 that he might

00:48:44.420 be a prime

00:48:45.320 minister or

00:48:45.820 something like

00:48:46.240 that.

00:48:46.460 I don't

00:48:46.620 remember the

00:48:46.980 details,

00:48:47.800 but I think

00:48:48.500 he's moved

00:48:48.880 on from

00:48:49.300 that.

00:48:49.880 There's

00:48:50.060 also the

00:48:50.420 question,

00:48:50.900 however unfair

00:48:51.660 it is,

00:48:52.060 of French.

00:48:52.920 And I'm

00:48:53.240 not a

00:48:53.720 pro-bilingualism

00:48:54.760 guy.

00:48:55.040 I just

00:48:55.400 believe,

00:48:56.060 though,

00:48:56.580 if you

00:48:56.900 want to

00:48:57.220 talk to

00:48:57.560 a quarter

00:48:57.900 of the

00:48:58.140 country

00:48:58.380 that speaks

00:48:58.780 French,

00:48:59.100 you've

00:48:59.260 got to

00:48:59.480 speak to

00:48:59.760 them,

00:49:00.060 not because

00:49:00.700 of any

00:49:00.980 rule,

00:49:01.980 but just

00:49:02.300 because that's,

00:49:03.220 I think,

00:49:04.020 a political

00:49:04.520 reality.

00:49:06.400 So I don't

00:49:07.020 think Jordan

00:49:07.440 Peterson's the

00:49:08.060 guy.

00:49:08.860 I hope

00:49:09.460 Pierre Polyev

00:49:09.980 throws his

00:49:10.380 hat in the

00:49:10.680 ring.

00:49:11.260 I see

00:49:11.560 Erin O'Toole

00:49:12.240 is putting

00:49:13.260 up trial

00:49:14.020 balloons.

00:49:15.720 I think

00:49:16.260 Michelle Rempel

00:49:16.840 will probably

00:49:17.320 throw her 1.00

00:49:17.720 hat in

00:49:18.120 the ring.

00:49:19.060 I hope

00:49:19.420 Candace

00:49:19.780 Bergen

00:49:20.120 does,

00:49:21.300 and hopefully

00:49:23.120 some people

00:49:23.700 not currently

00:49:24.840 in the

00:49:25.200 caucus will

00:49:26.220 too.

00:49:26.620 Remember,

00:49:27.000 Trump came

00:49:27.480 out of

00:49:27.760 business and

00:49:29.020 showbiz out

00:49:29.920 of nowhere.

00:49:30.740 I'm not

00:49:31.100 sure what

00:49:31.420 the analogy

00:49:31.900 to that

00:49:32.480 would be

00:49:32.760 in Canada.

00:49:33.680 Most of

00:49:34.060 our top

00:49:35.580 talent like

00:49:36.180 that goes

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00:49:37.820 to make

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00:49:39.860 time.

00:49:40.240 We'll see.

00:49:41.080 But I can

00:49:41.500 tell you one

00:49:41.940 thing.

00:49:42.380 I'm looking

00:49:43.360 forward to

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00:49:46.220 All right,

00:49:46.420 that's the

00:49:46.780 show for

00:49:47.100 today.

00:49:47.500 Until

00:49:47.860 tomorrow,

00:49:48.960 on behalf

00:49:49.200 of all

00:49:49.420 of us

00:49:49.580 here,

00:49:49.780 Rebel

00:49:49.960 World

00:49:50.140 Headquarters,

00:49:51.120 goodnight,

00:49:51.700 and keep

00:49:51.980 fighting for

00:49:52.400 freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - December 17, 2019

Trudeau's plan to censor Internet “hate speech” just started a trade war

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