Rebel News Podcast - May 10, 2019


Trudeau tried to destroy Vice Admiral Mark Norman’s career — and it blew up in his face. What happens next？


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

173.59512

Word Count

7,589

Sentence Count

368

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

Justin Trudeau wanted an innocent man to go to prison. Instead, the prosecution dropped the case against Mark Norman, leaving the former vice-admiral completely exonerated of all charges against him. What happens next? Ezra Levenant explains.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. Well, yesterday, I went up to Ottawa for what was supposed to be the trial of Mark Norman.
00:00:05.920 Instead, it became the vindication of Mark Norman as the prosecution hastily dropped the charges against him.
00:00:13.600 What was so crazy about that is that they had been denied facts that exculpated him, that exonerated him.
00:00:21.740 Justin Trudeau's government withheld facts that once the defense lawyers gave them to the prosecutors,
00:00:28.240 the prosecutors immediately dropped the case saying, we don't have a case here.
00:00:32.260 Justin Trudeau wanted an innocent man to go to prison.
00:00:35.380 I tell you about my visit to Ottawa and the legal stakes at hand.
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00:01:07.700 All right, without further to do, here's today's podcast.
00:01:11.740 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.
00:01:14.800 Tonight, Justin Trudeau tried to destroy Mark Norman's career, but it blew up in Trudeau's face.
00:01:20.780 What happens next?
00:01:21.960 It's May 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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00:01:40.020 Yesterday, I went to Ottawa for what was supposed to be the latest in the two-year prosecution of Vice Admiral Mark Norman, the second in command of the Canadian forces.
00:01:56.100 Things were heating up in court, and Norman's hotshot lawyer, Marie Hennane, was effectively turning the tables on the Trudeau government.
00:02:04.960 Her client was accused of one count of breach of trust, which is a terrible charge to level against a top military officer.
00:02:12.860 Breach of trust?
00:02:14.340 It's almost tantamount to treason.
00:02:16.760 It's typical for someone who, say, would steer a shipbuilding contract to a political friend in return for a secret cash payment.
00:02:26.280 That would be a breach of trust.
00:02:28.000 That's actually what Brian Mulroney was accused of doing during the Airbus scandal.
00:02:32.300 When Air Canada was a crown corporation, Mulroney's cabinet chose Airbus instead of Boeing.
00:02:37.140 And, funny thing, an Airbus lobbyist named Karl Heinz Schreiber paid Brian Mulroney at least $225,000 in cash after Mulroney stepped down as prime minister.
00:02:48.660 Yeah, that's the kind of thing that breach of trust was made for.
00:02:51.860 But Mark Norman, he sort of did the opposite.
00:02:56.280 See, the Canadian Navy really needed a supply ship, basically a floating gas station for other ships, and it was needed in a hurry.
00:03:03.280 So he championed a plan to refurbish an existing ship to get it done faster.
00:03:09.300 Now, that was approved by the Harper government.
00:03:12.060 The contract was given to a Quebec shipyard to do it.
00:03:15.560 But after Trudeau won the 2015 election, wouldn't you know it, Scott Bryson, the Liberal cabinet minister,
00:03:21.700 came to cabinet with a letter from the Liberal-connected shipbuilding firm in the Atlantic,
00:03:26.280 owned by the Liberal Irving family, saying,
00:03:28.400 Hey, why don't you do the right thing for your Liberal friends and give us that contract instead?
00:03:35.200 Not only did the Irvings not win the competition in the first place,
00:03:38.940 but cancelling the Quebec shipyard would incur $89 million in cancellation penalties.
00:03:44.720 So Mark Norman mentioned this to the Quebec shipyard,
00:03:47.200 and he apparently leaked this proposed interference by Bryson to the media.
00:03:51.540 The resulting embarrassment called Bryson and Trudeau to back off.
00:03:55.620 The contract with the Quebec firm indeed went ahead.
00:03:58.940 And incredibly, the ship was built on time and on budget.
00:04:01.800 How rare is that?
00:04:03.220 But oh my God, don't you dare cross Trudeau or Scott Bryson.
00:04:06.800 Haven't you learned that yet?
00:04:08.800 Jody Wilson-Raybould crossed Trudeau by not dropping criminal charges against his corrupt friends at SNC-Lavalin.
00:04:15.400 So she was fired from cabinet and smeared by the Liberals?
00:04:19.020 Well, same thing with Mark Norman.
00:04:20.160 The government launched an internal investigation to find out who leaked the news of their secret plans
00:04:26.540 to give this shipbuilding contract to their Liberal buddies.
00:04:30.260 Boy, were they furious and curious.
00:04:33.100 And they found that it was Mark Norman.
00:04:35.700 Now, he was not on the take.
00:04:37.540 No $225,000 cash payment to him.
00:04:40.800 Nothing for him, in fact.
00:04:41.960 He just wanted that ship for the Navy.
00:04:44.100 He wanted to stop Trudeau and Bryson and the Irvings from wrecking those plans all just to steer a big contract to Trudeau's friends.
00:04:52.880 He was a whistleblower in his own way, like Jody Wilson-Raybould was.
00:04:56.380 And you know, his crime of leaking the news about Scott Bryson's scheme?
00:05:00.620 Well, it turns out that the investigation into the leaker found not one leaker,
00:05:04.680 not two, not three, not four, not five, but six.
00:05:08.940 Six people leaked this super-secret news to a total of 73 people.
00:05:15.040 Funny, though, Mark Norman was the only one suspended from his command and prosecuted for the crime of breach of trust.
00:05:21.060 Oh, and the government, which normally pays for the legal defense of civil servants and military personnel
00:05:25.360 who are sued for what they do on the job.
00:05:27.460 The Trudeau government, funny, refused to pay for Mark Norman's legal defense funds.
00:05:32.700 So the second-in-command of the Canadian military was forced to put up a crowdfunding page.
00:05:38.860 He had the smarts to hire Marie Hanein, well-known as one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.
00:05:43.180 She's the one who got Gian Gomeschi off.
00:05:46.540 I suppose I should rephrase that.
00:05:47.860 She's the one who got Gian Gomeschi acquitted.
00:05:51.440 So she was the right choice for Mark Norman.
00:05:54.040 Now the government had so many lawyers prosecuting Norman,
00:05:57.680 so many that they filled up the tables and chairs in the courtroom normally reserved for lawyers.
00:06:01.460 There were so many lawyers against Mark Norman on behalf of the Trudeau government,
00:06:05.200 they spilled into the cheap seats, meant for public observers in court.
00:06:08.300 That's how much of a hate on Justin Trudeau had for Mark Norman.
00:06:11.160 I mean, you don't cross Justin Trudeau, especially not when it comes to a liberal donor like the Irvings.
00:06:17.520 And you know, it was this guy, the crooked former clerk of the Privy Council,
00:06:23.520 who resigned in disgrace over his handling the SNC-Lavalin file.
00:06:27.960 It was this guy who called the cops on Mark Norman.
00:06:30.100 Did you know that?
00:06:31.780 Anyways, that's the back story.
00:06:33.140 The case has been before the courts for two years,
00:06:35.000 but Hanein wasn't getting what a criminal lawyer is entitled under law to get.
00:06:39.040 It's called disclosure.
00:06:40.460 As in, if you're accused of a crime and the police are coming for you,
00:06:44.000 and they have all the resources of the government and all the powers,
00:06:46.760 the power to subpoena documents, to interview people,
00:06:49.180 maybe even the power to wiretap or execute search warrants,
00:06:52.920 you have the right to know the case against you.
00:06:55.160 So the police, in any criminal case, the prosecutors, the police,
00:06:59.220 have to give the accused what's called disclosure.
00:07:01.980 As in, give them copies of everything that the police know.
00:07:05.220 Copies of any damning evidence against you, any recordings, any notes, anything.
00:07:09.600 It's called disclosure.
00:07:10.440 But they also have to give you anything that would exculpate you, exonerate you,
00:07:16.980 help prove you innocent.
00:07:17.940 They have to give you that too, of course.
00:07:19.360 Otherwise, police could hide things.
00:07:21.300 I mean, theoretically, without the obligation to disclose exculpating evidence,
00:07:26.520 they could theoretically have someone else actually on tape confessing to the crime you're accused of,
00:07:31.960 but they could keep that a secret from you.
00:07:33.500 I'm just giving you an example of why disclosure has to include stuff that gets the accused off.
00:07:38.740 But funny enough, the Trudeau government, including the crooked clerk of the Privy Council,
00:07:44.580 just wouldn't hand over their records, including a 60-page memo written by Wernick.
00:07:51.500 Why not?
00:07:52.000 I mean, what was in there?
00:07:53.660 Hanein applied for orders for motor disclosure.
00:07:57.060 The court agreed, but Trudeau and his thugs refused.
00:07:59.880 I'm calling them thugs because they wanted a man to go to prison.
00:08:03.620 They said, get this, Trudeau's PMO said this,
00:08:06.360 they said, we don't keep notes in our meetings.
00:08:10.500 Really?
00:08:11.980 A government with no paperwork.
00:08:14.700 That's a new one.
00:08:15.980 As one commentator put it,
00:08:17.420 the only organization that doesn't keep notes about their meetings is organized crime.
00:08:23.700 Oh, and it came out that, in fact, there were plenty of discussions and emails and records about this,
00:08:29.080 but Trudeau's government specifically decided not to use Mark Norman's name.
00:08:33.900 They would use pseudonyms or code words for him.
00:08:38.300 So they could later claim they didn't have any records about Mark Norman when they were asked by the court.
00:08:42.740 They actively deceived the world, not just the media, not just the public,
00:08:49.120 but Mark Norman himself and his lawyers and the judge.
00:08:52.780 Justin Trudeau's government actively deceived the judge.
00:08:57.120 Because, of course, because this was about punishing Mark Norman.
00:09:01.660 Not for breach of trust.
00:09:02.780 He was actually the only trustworthy guy around, wasn't he?
00:09:05.400 But this was about punishing someone in the system who didn't bend the knee to Justin Trudeau.
00:09:12.260 You know, back in the year 2000, it was Rose Knight, the young female reporter in Creston, B.C.,
00:09:16.980 who didn't get with the program when Trudeau sexually assaulted her.
00:09:20.020 She didn't understand.
00:09:21.400 You have to do what Trudeau wants you to do.
00:09:24.460 Jody Wilson-Raybould didn't get with the program, so she was fired.
00:09:27.560 Same with Mark Norman.
00:09:28.980 What are you going to do, complain?
00:09:30.260 Who are you going to complain to?
00:09:31.340 I should mention in passing that Jody Wilson-Raybould has been asked about the Mark Norman case.
00:09:36.540 After all, she was the attorney general when the prosecution was started.
00:09:39.700 I think she wants to talk about it.
00:09:41.680 But she has not been relieved of her cabinet and other confidentiality obligations by Trudeau.
00:09:47.520 He won't let her talk about it.
00:09:49.260 They don't want her to talk about it.
00:09:50.580 I wonder why.
00:09:52.720 Well, Hanein kept pushing.
00:09:55.140 I thought it was getting really interesting,
00:09:56.480 so I decided last week to go to Ottawa yesterday to live tweet from the trial.
00:10:01.340 But the night before yesterday's hearing,
00:10:04.680 the prosecutor herself put out a letter to the public saying there would be an important announcement yesterday.
00:10:12.400 And indeed there was.
00:10:14.420 Let me quote from the statement from the prosecution.
00:10:17.020 After reviewing further evidence provided to the prosecution,
00:10:21.800 some from applications for records that were not part of the investigation,
00:10:25.120 third-party records,
00:10:26.220 and some volunteered by the defense,
00:10:28.020 the Public Prosecution Service of Canada,
00:10:30.000 is no longer of the view that a reasonable prospect of conviction exists.
00:10:34.180 In particular, the Crown has concluded that will not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt
00:10:37.780 that Mr. Norman's conduct in this case amounted to a serious and marked departure
00:10:42.440 from the standards expected of a person in his position of trust.
00:10:47.920 So that's what the prosecutor told the judge yesterday morning,
00:10:50.960 and the charges were dropped.
00:10:53.700 After two years of him being wrung out.
00:10:56.760 So let me translate that statement from the prosecutor into English.
00:10:59.280 The Trudeau government refused to give over information to Mark Norman or his lawyer, Marie Hinnain.
00:11:05.920 They just refused.
00:11:07.300 Not just that.
00:11:08.520 They were actively deceiving the court by claiming they had no records
00:11:12.600 or by deliberately using coded words so as not to use Norman's name.
00:11:17.040 Like I say, only organized crime behaves that way.
00:11:20.620 So Marie Hinnain herself was able to find records
00:11:23.560 that apparently exonerated Mark Norman.
00:11:26.540 She found them herself somehow
00:11:28.820 and gave them to the prosecutor.
00:11:33.560 And the prosecutor looked at it and said,
00:11:36.520 Oh my God, you're right.
00:11:41.560 The last two years of this prosecution has been a fraud.
00:11:45.300 Okay, I don't know exactly what she thought.
00:11:46.840 How would I know what she thought?
00:11:47.820 But that's the effect of it because the prosecutor dropped the charges.
00:11:53.180 They would have prosecuted and perhaps convicted an innocent man
00:11:56.400 had Trudeau had his way.
00:11:58.840 Let that sink in.
00:12:01.000 Now the prosecutor came out of the court and said this,
00:12:03.660 and I was right there,
00:12:04.900 and believe me, I was steaming mad about this injustice.
00:12:07.460 How on earth could the Crown Prosecutor not have had the facts?
00:12:12.040 The Justice Department, it's like the largest law firm in the country.
00:12:14.960 Thousands of lawyers.
00:12:16.560 They have endless resources, unlimited resources.
00:12:19.220 They have all the facts, all the information.
00:12:20.920 It's the government.
00:12:23.740 Norman was crowdfunding his defense in $5 and $10 increments,
00:12:27.120 and the prosecution didn't have this important information,
00:12:31.220 but Marie Hanein did.
00:12:32.700 That's an outrage.
00:12:33.740 And a good man was smeared for two years because of it.
00:12:36.760 Here, listen to me get really mad at this prosecutor.
00:12:39.120 Did the government not give you exculpatory evidence before you prosecuted?
00:12:43.940 Who withheld that information from you?
00:12:47.680 There's no such thing as just one piece of exculpatory evidence in a case like this.
00:12:51.820 How did you not have it?
00:12:52.580 It's a complex breach of facts.
00:12:53.760 How did you not have it?
00:12:55.200 You did have it eventually.
00:12:56.740 Did you not have the resources to find it in the first place?
00:12:59.000 Can you speak French, ma'am?
00:13:00.360 Can you say a few words?
00:13:01.720 Sufficiently.
00:13:03.160 Where are the documents coming from?
00:13:04.580 Is it over?
00:13:06.140 I mean, is this piece over just to clarify?
00:13:08.360 Yes, it is.
00:13:08.660 Can you explain?
00:13:15.220 Why did you not explain what the exculpatory evidence was since you smeared him publicly?
00:13:20.940 I mean, his name has been blackened in public.
00:13:23.900 Why will you not tell us what information has caused you to drop this?
00:13:29.520 You were happy to throw mud.
00:13:30.980 Why don't you tell us what the detergent was?
00:13:32.600 Sir, the Defence Council has provided the information on certain conditions, and I can't discuss it.
00:13:39.960 Right, but you're the one who smeared him in public with this two-year ordeal.
00:13:43.360 Why will you not tell us why he's free to go?
00:13:47.900 Don't you feel an obligation to his reputation?
00:13:51.320 I tried to explain that in court as well as I could.
00:13:54.460 Has your office had any contact whatsoever with the PMO?
00:13:58.500 Well, really, don't you think you owe a little bit more to Mr. Norman?
00:14:04.740 Do you feel any personal feelings about this case?
00:14:07.340 Do you feel like maybe you were used a bit?
00:14:09.680 No, don't you think you were used a bit?
00:14:11.200 No, we did our job, sir.
00:14:12.800 All right, I was mad.
00:14:14.440 But don't you think my point is right?
00:14:16.940 Why can't we know how and why Mark Norman was exonerated?
00:14:20.800 Would it embarrass some politician somewhere?
00:14:23.280 Who cares?
00:14:25.420 How can this prosecutor who eventually did the right thing, after doing the wrong thing for two years, how does she feel?
00:14:32.020 She was part of a false accusation against him.
00:14:35.340 She was part of a false prosecution against him, of an innocent man.
00:14:39.760 Could you imagine if she had succeeded?
00:14:41.260 For two years, she led the fight against Mark Norman.
00:14:44.660 Is it really enough for her to say, as she told me at the end there,
00:14:47.180 I was just doing my job.
00:14:49.140 I was just doing my job.
00:14:50.860 Well, maybe.
00:14:52.300 And maybe she truly didn't know about this until just recently,
00:14:55.280 about the exculpatory information, whatever that information was.
00:14:58.580 But surely she knew for months, maybe years,
00:15:01.760 that her client, the Trudeau government, was withholding information,
00:15:04.640 was hiding, was lying.
00:15:05.580 We all knew that.
00:15:06.160 She knew that.
00:15:06.860 And she went along with it.
00:15:08.300 And she has nothing to say now other than,
00:15:10.240 I was just doing my job.
00:15:12.260 And what about Justin Trudeau?
00:15:14.780 Well, that coward skipped question period on Wednesday.
00:15:17.860 And again today, here's his official schedule.
00:15:20.140 He's busy.
00:15:21.040 You see, he's getting ready for a Ramadan celebration tonight.
00:15:23.900 I'm not kidding.
00:15:24.720 That's actually what his schedule says he's doing tonight.
00:15:27.780 The coward, not just a coward, a corrupter of justice.
00:15:31.540 You know Justin Trudeau loves making apologies all the time.
00:15:35.780 But he only apologizes for what other people have done,
00:15:39.020 never for what he does.
00:15:40.560 He loves apologizing, especially for things done many years,
00:15:43.940 sometimes decades ago,
00:15:45.500 because that allows him to play the great moral hero.
00:15:48.720 When he apologizes for something that he never did,
00:15:50.880 but someone else did,
00:15:51.640 it's Trudeau's way of complimenting himself,
00:15:53.500 of saying,
00:15:54.060 I'm so much better than these people I'm apologizing for,
00:15:57.080 aren't I?
00:15:57.480 Great.
00:15:58.200 Sometimes I think he just loves to shower praise and money
00:16:01.140 on terrible people,
00:16:02.440 like Omar Khadar,
00:16:04.440 to whom he gave $10.5 million
00:16:05.960 and a public apology to a convicted murderer.
00:16:08.600 But none for his mistreatment of Mark Norman.
00:16:12.480 Not even the word sorry.
00:16:14.720 No way.
00:16:15.200 Are you kidding?
00:16:16.020 In fact, until yesterday,
00:16:17.200 the government wouldn't even pay his legal defense,
00:16:19.140 which is standard operating procedure.
00:16:22.340 Trudeau hates Mark Norman.
00:16:23.600 I think he would have hated the trial much more, frankly.
00:16:26.720 I think yesterday's dropping the charges
00:16:28.460 was actually the best outcome for Trudeau
00:16:30.260 this deep into things.
00:16:32.300 A trial would have shown
00:16:33.280 the deep corruption of Trudeau in a way nothing else has yet.
00:16:36.740 But Trudeau can't say sorry
00:16:38.620 because he's not sorry.
00:16:40.840 Because his entire life
00:16:42.360 is one of entitlement.
00:16:44.680 And of course he should have the right
00:16:46.000 to give shipbuilding contracts
00:16:47.500 to his friends who were liberal.
00:16:48.760 I mean, to him, that's what's most important.
00:16:51.400 Ask the people dying of mercury poisoning
00:16:53.940 in the Grassy Narrows Reserve.
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00:17:52.180 Yeah, I mean,
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00:17:55.680 So after I scrummed the prosecutor
00:17:57.380 outside the Ottawa Courthouse,
00:17:58.640 I went to the press conference
00:17:59.660 with Marie Hinnane and Mark Norman.
00:18:01.320 I'd like to play for you
00:18:02.280 a fair chunk of it.
00:18:03.360 Is that okay?
00:18:03.940 Now, I know I put this up
00:18:04.820 on YouTube yesterday,
00:18:05.700 but I just want to put this
00:18:06.820 in my commentary today.
00:18:07.840 I think it's self-explanatory.
00:18:09.300 I want you to see as much of this
00:18:10.580 as you have patience for.
00:18:11.960 Can you please watch
00:18:12.640 a few minutes of this?
00:18:14.060 I know you won't see this
00:18:15.640 anywhere else,
00:18:16.240 so please watch and come back
00:18:17.900 because I want to tell you
00:18:18.800 how it felt to be in that room
00:18:21.420 with Mark Norman and Marie Hinnane
00:18:23.400 to be surrounded by the media party.
00:18:25.220 I was sitting right next
00:18:25.960 to CBC, CTV, Global.
00:18:27.460 They were all there.
00:18:28.400 The Globe and Mail
00:18:28.880 and the Toronto Star.
00:18:29.740 I want to tell you how I think
00:18:31.940 they felt about the whole thing.
00:18:34.880 So watch for a bit
00:18:35.580 and then come right back, okay?
00:18:37.520 Ultimately, I look forward
00:18:39.120 to my immediate reinstatement
00:18:40.880 and a return to serve in Canada.
00:18:43.920 Something that I have done
00:18:45.100 unfailingly for the last 38 years.
00:18:48.220 Something that Canadians
00:18:49.360 should expect and demand.
00:18:53.500 In closing, I want to speak directly
00:18:56.460 to the thousands of Canadians
00:18:58.760 who stood by me,
00:19:00.840 who supported me and my family,
00:19:03.560 both spiritually and financially.
00:19:06.200 We would simply have never made it here
00:19:08.620 without your generosity and help.
00:19:10.880 Thank you.
00:19:15.260 And just before we begin,
00:19:17.180 I do want to introduce again
00:19:18.320 the all-female team
00:19:20.040 that represented Vice Admiral Mark Norman.
00:19:23.200 Woo!
00:19:24.660 Sydney Hopkins.
00:19:26.420 At the end, Maya Baroa
00:19:27.860 and my co-counsel, Christine Manville.
00:19:31.140 Fortunately, Vice Admiral Norman
00:19:32.700 didn't fire the females that he hired.
00:19:34.720 So we're ready to take questions from you.
00:19:38.680 Yeah.
00:19:39.940 For two years or more,
00:19:41.680 you've had this stigma
00:19:42.760 of these criminal charges against you,
00:19:44.920 but the exculpatory information
00:19:47.240 is not known.
00:19:49.620 why should it be known?
00:19:52.840 How can we find out what it was
00:19:55.420 that set you free?
00:19:56.280 Well, that's in the hands of the prosecution.
00:19:59.880 And as you know,
00:20:00.500 there is another prosecution
00:20:01.580 that is outstanding.
00:20:03.740 So the Crown has all sorts of obligations
00:20:05.840 in respect of that.
00:20:07.640 It is sitting with them.
00:20:09.280 As you know,
00:20:09.940 we were in the midst
00:20:10.580 of a third party viewing them.
00:20:11.800 We've been on month five
00:20:12.900 or six of that exercise.
00:20:15.300 And as this matter ends today,
00:20:17.640 that means our involvement
00:20:18.960 in the process
00:20:20.840 as well as our ability
00:20:22.260 to compel production
00:20:24.040 ends with it as well.
00:20:25.980 So it is now in the hands
00:20:27.240 of the people
00:20:28.840 who are the holder
00:20:29.640 of those records.
00:20:31.060 Ms. Hedden,
00:20:31.560 do you believe that,
00:20:32.900 have any evidence
00:20:33.960 that this prosecution initially
00:20:35.640 or at least the decision
00:20:36.700 to stay at
00:20:37.660 was politically motivated
00:20:39.080 in any way?
00:20:39.760 Well, there are a number
00:20:40.320 of questions there,
00:20:41.020 so let me break it up
00:20:42.080 for a moment.
00:20:42.900 The decision
00:20:43.780 to stay this prosecution
00:20:46.060 was discretion exercised
00:20:48.400 by the prosecutors
00:20:49.660 and the DPP,
00:20:51.820 unimpacted
00:20:53.220 by any political considerations,
00:20:57.500 as it should be.
00:20:58.840 That is, in fact,
00:21:00.080 how things are supposed to work.
00:21:02.160 Politics are supposed
00:21:03.280 to stay out
00:21:03.960 of the prosecutorial process.
00:21:06.160 But I would remind you
00:21:07.920 that in this case,
00:21:09.720 the government
00:21:10.360 has been
00:21:12.480 been at the table
00:21:13.320 and they've been
00:21:13.980 at the table,
00:21:14.680 they've been represented
00:21:15.480 by seven or eight lawyers
00:21:16.960 in court
00:21:17.660 at the Department of Justice.
00:21:19.440 So these charges
00:21:20.520 were referred
00:21:21.240 by the PCO,
00:21:22.660 the Privy Council Office.
00:21:24.480 The PCO has been
00:21:26.260 the holder
00:21:26.780 of the records
00:21:27.480 that we've now spent
00:21:28.240 six months
00:21:28.960 trying to get
00:21:30.320 and to this day,
00:21:31.520 and to this day,
00:21:32.020 Vice Admiral Norman,
00:21:33.480 because of the position
00:21:34.380 taken by the PMO
00:21:35.700 and PCO's office,
00:21:37.120 has not had access
00:21:38.100 to his own records.
00:21:39.740 And we were continuing
00:21:40.820 in this fight.
00:21:41.840 So they have had a seat
00:21:43.280 at the table,
00:21:44.580 they have been participants
00:21:45.660 in the process,
00:21:46.980 they have been represented.
00:21:48.540 So much so,
00:21:49.600 that they are not only
00:21:50.820 the people who decided
00:21:51.900 whether or not
00:21:52.560 to assert cabinet confidence
00:21:53.840 and then a last-minute switch
00:21:55.720 to public interest privilege,
00:21:56.920 and are not only
00:21:58.080 the holders of the documents,
00:21:59.500 but were also
00:22:00.180 counsel and witnesses
00:22:01.500 as to what they could
00:22:02.660 and could not say.
00:22:03.780 And I want to make it
00:22:04.460 very clear that we,
00:22:05.980 the defense,
00:22:06.620 had to bring this motion
00:22:07.740 at great expense
00:22:08.720 to Vice Admiral Norman
00:22:10.160 to get at those records.
00:22:11.620 Neither we,
00:22:12.460 and here's the important part,
00:22:13.600 nor the prosecution,
00:22:15.220 were given access
00:22:16.080 to those documents.
00:22:17.900 And the people
00:22:18.760 that were standing
00:22:19.660 in the way
00:22:20.240 of that full disclosure
00:22:21.480 is obviously
00:22:22.760 the government
00:22:23.320 who had access to them,
00:22:24.580 had those third-party records,
00:22:25.920 and was taking the positions
00:22:27.340 that you all heard
00:22:28.020 they were taking in court.
00:22:29.180 I want to tell you
00:22:30.020 how it felt to be in that room.
00:22:32.740 The people in that room
00:22:33.820 in the last election
00:22:34.560 would have voted
00:22:35.060 about 80% for Justin Trudeau
00:22:36.780 and probably 20%
00:22:38.380 for Thomas Mulcair.
00:22:39.620 Except the cameramen,
00:22:40.840 who probably voted
00:22:41.560 50% for Harper.
00:22:42.500 I'm serious.
00:22:43.080 I had a camera guy
00:22:44.120 for Arrival Network,
00:22:45.300 I won't say who,
00:22:46.220 who asked me
00:22:46.720 if I could lean in
00:22:47.440 and he could get
00:22:47.940 a selfie with me.
00:22:49.340 They're normal people,
00:22:50.620 the cameramen.
00:22:51.240 It's the on-air talent
00:22:52.480 who are the hardcore lefties.
00:22:55.080 Everyone was there.
00:22:56.140 I mean,
00:22:56.320 Glenn McGregor of CTV
00:22:57.340 was there.
00:22:57.900 Tonda McCharles of the Star
00:22:59.360 was there.
00:22:59.760 Christy Blatchford,
00:23:00.820 who's pretty good,
00:23:01.860 from Post Media was there.
00:23:03.140 Everyone was there
00:23:03.820 from Parliament Hill's
00:23:05.180 elite media.
00:23:06.540 This is just a small sample.
00:23:07.900 Later on in the press conference,
00:23:08.980 it was packed.
00:23:10.140 Packed.
00:23:10.640 There were three times
00:23:11.500 as many people as I have.
00:23:12.500 I should tell you
00:23:13.300 that every single person
00:23:14.380 in that room
00:23:15.020 in the Naval Mess Hall,
00:23:17.280 including the 80%
00:23:18.180 who voted for Trudeau
00:23:19.260 in 2015,
00:23:20.220 I can tell you
00:23:23.040 that every single one
00:23:25.380 of them
00:23:25.740 was on the side
00:23:26.740 of Mark Norman
00:23:27.360 and just as much
00:23:28.460 on the side
00:23:28.980 of his lawyer.
00:23:29.780 They revere that lawyer,
00:23:31.100 Marie Hennane.
00:23:31.640 She's smart and tough
00:23:32.800 and sort of cool
00:23:33.480 and she actually started
00:23:34.940 with the joke
00:23:35.420 that her team
00:23:35.980 was all female,
00:23:37.040 which Justin Trudeau
00:23:38.000 would have fired.
00:23:39.200 Ouch.
00:23:40.900 And no one in the room
00:23:41.720 blinked at that
00:23:42.160 because they know
00:23:42.660 it's true
00:23:43.080 because they all know
00:23:44.720 that Trudeau
00:23:45.280 is an imposter
00:23:46.900 on everything.
00:23:48.340 He's an imposter
00:23:49.160 on feminism
00:23:49.800 and aboriginal affairs,
00:23:50.920 of course,
00:23:51.420 but on his whole
00:23:52.320 Sunny Ways shtick,
00:23:54.680 he's so deeply corrupt
00:23:55.780 he's worse than anyone
00:23:57.100 they can recall.
00:23:57.920 Stephen Harper
00:23:58.400 never did anything
00:23:59.180 like this.
00:23:59.800 The opposite.
00:24:00.620 He's the one
00:24:01.040 who set up
00:24:01.720 this independent
00:24:02.660 prosecution service
00:24:03.860 that has twice
00:24:04.900 refused Trudeau
00:24:06.420 what he wants.
00:24:07.420 What I saw
00:24:08.100 in that room
00:24:08.760 at the Naval Mess
00:24:09.560 watching Mark Norman
00:24:10.960 and Marie Hennane
00:24:11.640 was disillusionment
00:24:14.420 in Trudeau.
00:24:15.360 No one
00:24:16.340 loves him anymore
00:24:18.140 or at least
00:24:18.780 is in love
00:24:19.740 with him.
00:24:20.040 No one
00:24:20.300 is inspired
00:24:20.940 by him.
00:24:21.640 No one
00:24:21.880 would say
00:24:22.160 he's cool.
00:24:23.880 I think
00:24:24.380 when Trudeau
00:24:24.940 went to India
00:24:25.660 and acted
00:24:26.260 like a jackass
00:24:27.460 he was starting
00:24:28.980 to make
00:24:29.260 his allies
00:24:29.860 cringe
00:24:30.760 but they were
00:24:32.040 still
00:24:32.280 look at that
00:24:32.600 oh my god
00:24:33.340 but they were
00:24:34.100 still his allies.
00:24:35.420 Now
00:24:35.780 I don't think so.
00:24:37.740 I think
00:24:38.000 most of them
00:24:39.460 will probably
00:24:39.920 still vote liberal
00:24:40.680 just because
00:24:41.800 they don't like
00:24:42.680 conservatives
00:24:43.160 like Andrew Scheer
00:24:43.880 but I think
00:24:44.480 the days
00:24:45.060 of the media party
00:24:45.960 slavishly parroting
00:24:47.640 the narrative
00:24:48.140 that Trudeau
00:24:48.860 is fresh
00:24:49.420 and new
00:24:50.160 and clean
00:24:50.880 and cool
00:24:51.640 and sunny
00:24:52.420 that felt
00:24:53.380 totally detonated
00:24:54.720 in that room
00:24:55.680 yesterday.
00:24:57.120 And not just
00:24:57.780 that room
00:24:58.140 look in the
00:24:58.780 by-election
00:24:59.260 in Nanaimo
00:24:59.900 BC
00:25:00.280 11%
00:25:01.380 for the liberals.
00:25:02.840 I think
00:25:03.660 people hate
00:25:04.800 Trudeau
00:25:06.200 actually.
00:25:07.360 I can guarantee
00:25:07.920 you there's not
00:25:08.620 a single
00:25:09.040 prosecutor
00:25:09.880 in Canada
00:25:10.920 who is a
00:25:11.620 Trudeau lover.
00:25:12.540 This is twice
00:25:13.200 he has come
00:25:14.020 to destroy
00:25:14.520 the honor
00:25:14.960 of their profession.
00:25:15.880 That prosecutor
00:25:16.760 I scrummed
00:25:17.340 on the street
00:25:17.720 she knows
00:25:18.280 who her enemy
00:25:18.780 is
00:25:19.120 and it's not
00:25:19.840 Stephen Harper
00:25:20.400 or Andrew Scheer.
00:25:22.400 Mark Norman
00:25:23.100 has a few more
00:25:23.980 moves left in him.
00:25:25.220 I think he's going
00:25:25.860 to tell his story.
00:25:26.680 He said as much.
00:25:27.780 I think he must
00:25:28.600 tell his story.
00:25:29.180 I think he has
00:25:29.800 also got to sue
00:25:31.460 for abuse of process
00:25:32.520 and abuse of office.
00:25:33.900 Smoke out all those
00:25:34.840 internal documents
00:25:35.700 that way.
00:25:36.400 The documents
00:25:36.860 that would have
00:25:37.240 come out at trial.
00:25:38.080 Put Michael Wernick
00:25:39.200 and Scott Bryson
00:25:40.180 and Gerald Butts
00:25:41.260 on the stand.
00:25:41.900 You bet.
00:25:42.440 Yeah, you bet.
00:25:43.500 Sue for,
00:25:44.240 oh, I don't know.
00:25:45.880 $10.5 million?
00:25:47.860 That's what
00:25:48.540 Omar Khadar
00:25:49.060 got from Trudeau.
00:25:50.520 Trudeau was willing
00:25:51.180 to put Mark Norman
00:25:52.260 in prison
00:25:53.180 for a crime
00:25:54.120 he did not commit.
00:25:57.360 That's got to be
00:25:58.200 worth $10.5 million.
00:26:00.180 The story isn't over.
00:26:02.120 In fact,
00:26:02.500 maybe it's just beginning.
00:26:04.560 Stay with us for more.
00:26:05.380 Today's decision
00:26:20.720 is a win for Canadians
00:26:22.320 and for future generations.
00:26:24.320 It cannot be free
00:26:26.920 to pollute in Canada.
00:26:29.520 This decision confirms
00:26:31.080 that putting a price
00:26:32.200 on carbon pollution
00:26:33.200 and returning the revenues
00:26:35.020 to Canadians
00:26:35.920 through the Climate Action
00:26:37.540 Incentive Rebate
00:26:38.540 is not only constitutional,
00:26:41.680 it is an effective
00:26:42.740 and essential part
00:26:45.040 of any serious response
00:26:47.300 to the global challenge
00:26:49.240 of climate change.
00:26:51.320 The Court also recognized,
00:26:53.700 as to most Canadians,
00:26:56.000 that climate change
00:26:56.820 is man-made
00:26:57.700 and one of the great
00:26:59.880 existential issues
00:27:01.260 of our time.
00:27:04.020 But is that true?
00:27:06.120 That's Catherine McKenna
00:27:07.440 talking about
00:27:08.580 a 3-2 decision
00:27:10.220 at the Saskatchewan Court
00:27:12.140 about the constitutionality
00:27:14.040 of her proposed
00:27:15.040 national carbon tax.
00:27:16.980 Well, joining us now
00:27:17.600 via Skype
00:27:18.100 is a man
00:27:18.560 who follows this file
00:27:20.040 closer than most
00:27:20.880 and in fact
00:27:21.620 was in Ontario
00:27:22.620 as the matter
00:27:23.620 was duked out
00:27:24.580 in that courtroom too.
00:27:26.280 And I'm talking about
00:27:27.000 our friend,
00:27:27.900 Andrew Lawton.
00:27:28.580 Andrew, great to see you again.
00:27:30.380 Hey, great to be with you, Ezra.
00:27:31.520 Thank you.
00:27:32.140 Well, I mean,
00:27:33.100 I have not read
00:27:34.100 the dense details
00:27:35.660 of the legal decision
00:27:37.400 in Saskatchewan,
00:27:38.580 but the summary I read
00:27:40.200 said it wasn't really
00:27:41.380 the great victory
00:27:42.440 Catherine McKenna
00:27:43.700 makes it out to be.
00:27:44.980 And in fact,
00:27:45.620 there were certain arguments
00:27:47.040 by the federal government
00:27:47.940 that were rejected
00:27:48.740 by all five
00:27:50.200 out of five judges.
00:27:51.240 I know you've been paying
00:27:52.700 very close attention to this.
00:27:53.960 What's your takeaway
00:27:55.200 from A,
00:27:56.460 the Saskatchewan court ruling
00:27:57.940 and B,
00:27:58.600 Catherine McKenna's
00:27:59.720 response to it?
00:28:01.140 Yeah, so I actually
00:28:02.320 did read the Saskatchewan
00:28:03.720 court ruling
00:28:04.360 and I also listened
00:28:05.220 to Catherine McKenna
00:28:06.680 and both are pretty dense
00:28:08.640 as a matter of fact.
00:28:09.800 And when Catherine McKenna
00:28:11.320 speaks out
00:28:12.100 and says that
00:28:13.240 the court ruled
00:28:14.220 that a carbon tax
00:28:16.540 is an effective means
00:28:17.900 to combat climate change,
00:28:19.320 that proves that she
00:28:20.600 didn't even read
00:28:21.900 to page two
00:28:22.920 of the decision.
00:28:24.140 And if I may,
00:28:24.980 I'd like to read
00:28:25.900 paragraph six
00:28:27.140 from page two
00:28:28.480 of the decision,
00:28:29.200 which says
00:28:29.960 the issue is not
00:28:31.780 whether greenhouse gas pricing
00:28:33.620 should or should not
00:28:35.120 be adopted
00:28:35.880 or whether the act
00:28:37.100 is effective or fair.
00:28:39.180 So she says
00:28:40.000 that the effectiveness
00:28:41.200 of this carbon tax
00:28:43.260 has been vindicated
00:28:44.200 by the court
00:28:44.880 when the court said
00:28:46.040 that's not even our problem.
00:28:47.840 We aren't even looking
00:28:48.900 at whether it's effective.
00:28:50.520 And this proves
00:28:51.620 that the government
00:28:52.200 is trying to find
00:28:53.780 some political support
00:28:55.100 from the court
00:28:55.800 instead of dealing
00:28:57.040 with the actual matters
00:28:58.440 at hand in these cases,
00:28:59.620 which was strictly
00:29:00.880 the constitutionality.
00:29:02.360 Now, look,
00:29:03.100 the federal government
00:29:03.860 did win
00:29:04.540 on the constitutionality side,
00:29:06.640 but it was not given
00:29:07.780 the green light
00:29:09.040 to proceed
00:29:10.000 as a matter of policy
00:29:11.900 like Catherine McKenna
00:29:12.860 is trying to pretend.
00:29:14.020 Yeah.
00:29:14.400 I mean,
00:29:15.320 I just knew
00:29:16.760 when she said
00:29:17.320 the court says
00:29:18.200 this is an existential challenge
00:29:19.520 to Canada,
00:29:20.820 I thought
00:29:21.280 that can't be right.
00:29:23.180 That's not right.
00:29:24.120 And she's counting
00:29:24.920 on the fact
00:29:25.380 that 99.999%
00:29:27.160 of Canadians
00:29:27.640 will not read
00:29:28.660 an incredibly dense
00:29:29.800 judicial ruling
00:29:30.960 with a very lengthy dissent.
00:29:33.180 In fact,
00:29:33.500 I think the dissent
00:29:34.260 is actually longer
00:29:35.160 in terms of page count
00:29:36.780 than the main ruling.
00:29:38.700 Well,
00:29:39.280 this is obviously
00:29:40.600 going to go
00:29:41.060 all the way up
00:29:41.580 to the Supreme Court
00:29:42.380 of Canada.
00:29:44.160 The Supreme Court
00:29:45.160 of Canada
00:29:45.700 has a troubling tradition
00:29:47.880 in my view
00:29:48.620 of being legislators
00:29:50.640 from the bench.
00:29:52.820 And the biggest policy changes
00:29:55.800 in recent Canadian history
00:29:57.480 I think have come
00:29:58.680 from that court.
00:29:59.560 And I'm nervous
00:30:00.480 that that court
00:30:01.140 will be activist
00:30:02.060 and will just go along
00:30:03.860 with this
00:30:04.240 because it's politically
00:30:05.060 fashionable.
00:30:06.340 That's just speculation
00:30:07.580 on my part.
00:30:09.900 But who knows?
00:30:10.880 Maybe the pendulum
00:30:11.480 is swinging back.
00:30:12.780 If you had to look ahead
00:30:13.960 at the Supreme Court
00:30:15.100 of Canada
00:30:15.540 in the case on this,
00:30:16.320 what do you think
00:30:17.900 they would,
00:30:18.440 how do you think
00:30:18.880 they would approach it?
00:30:20.880 I have concerns
00:30:22.140 about that,
00:30:22.840 quite frankly.
00:30:23.660 You know,
00:30:23.880 I look at a comment
00:30:25.580 made by former
00:30:26.780 Chief Justice
00:30:27.500 Beverly McLaughlin
00:30:28.600 who's no longer
00:30:29.240 on the court
00:30:29.980 but I fear
00:30:31.040 the sentiment
00:30:31.640 is still there.
00:30:32.720 And she had said
00:30:33.420 in an interview
00:30:34.000 when describing her job
00:30:35.440 that my job
00:30:36.960 is to take a step back
00:30:38.500 and look at the facts
00:30:39.660 and decide
00:30:40.340 what's best
00:30:41.140 for Canadian society
00:30:42.820 and then make
00:30:44.620 a decision about that.
00:30:46.060 So the Supreme Court
00:30:46.960 of Canada
00:30:47.560 has taken it
00:30:48.900 as somewhat
00:30:49.300 of a point of pride
00:30:50.300 that its job
00:30:51.080 is to make
00:30:51.720 societal determinations
00:30:53.480 rather than
00:30:54.600 strict constitutional
00:30:56.120 legal analyses.
00:30:57.880 And that's an issue
00:30:58.540 that Canadians
00:30:59.100 have to be very wary of.
00:31:00.960 And it's not about
00:31:01.660 partisanship
00:31:02.340 because six of the nine
00:31:03.780 justices on the Supreme Court
00:31:05.240 were appointed
00:31:06.160 by Stephen Harper
00:31:07.120 yet key conservative
00:31:09.140 policies have still
00:31:10.200 been overturned
00:31:11.040 and liberal policies
00:31:12.020 have been upheld
00:31:13.640 routinely over
00:31:14.720 the past several years.
00:31:16.400 So I'm not optimistic
00:31:17.620 about the Supreme Court
00:31:18.900 on the best of times
00:31:19.940 which is why
00:31:21.020 the lower court rulings
00:31:22.440 I do think
00:31:23.480 are good in the way
00:31:24.480 they set the stage.
00:31:25.680 And the Ontario case
00:31:27.200 does not yet
00:31:28.080 have a decision.
00:31:29.160 The Alberta case
00:31:30.120 that Jason Kenney
00:31:30.960 has promised to file
00:31:32.000 has not yet been filed.
00:31:34.140 And the Saskatchewan case
00:31:35.760 we see in the decision
00:31:37.280 a little bit
00:31:37.900 about how the court
00:31:38.720 tends to view
00:31:39.760 these things.
00:31:40.320 And despite the fact
00:31:41.540 that the anti-carbon tax
00:31:43.320 side lost
00:31:44.200 in a technical sense
00:31:45.380 what was noteworthy
00:31:46.800 is how strong
00:31:47.680 the dissent was.
00:31:49.540 The judges who dissented
00:31:50.920 the two of the five
00:31:51.920 didn't just find
00:31:53.280 that the
00:31:53.780 Greenhouse Gas Pollution
00:31:55.420 Pricing Act
00:31:56.160 was unconstitutional
00:31:57.480 they found it was
00:31:58.720 wholly unconstitutional.
00:32:01.000 And that is a
00:32:01.820 very significant
00:32:03.280 determination
00:32:03.980 when they laid out
00:32:05.140 their rationale
00:32:05.740 because a lot of
00:32:06.880 the arguments
00:32:07.280 that they cited
00:32:07.960 were arguments
00:32:08.840 that were very
00:32:09.560 fervently fought
00:32:10.500 for by the
00:32:11.460 Ontario government
00:32:12.280 in that province's
00:32:13.420 case just a few
00:32:14.140 weeks ago.
00:32:15.600 Yeah you know
00:32:16.100 it's incredible
00:32:18.080 I've filled up
00:32:18.640 my car with gas
00:32:19.300 twice in the last
00:32:19.940 two days
00:32:20.280 because I was
00:32:20.580 driving to
00:32:21.120 Ottawa
00:32:22.860 and back
00:32:23.320 and a hundred
00:32:24.660 dollars won't
00:32:25.560 even fill up
00:32:26.240 my tank.
00:32:27.120 I've got to put
00:32:27.540 in more than
00:32:27.860 a hundred bucks
00:32:28.760 and that is
00:32:29.740 so much money
00:32:30.740 it's staggering
00:32:31.440 but
00:32:31.720 and I'm not
00:32:34.820 poor
00:32:35.320 and I'm not rich
00:32:36.420 but I'm not poor
00:32:37.280 if you are
00:32:38.520 a working person
00:32:39.700 who needs to
00:32:41.160 drive for your
00:32:41.740 work or if you
00:32:42.500 are low income
00:32:43.580 you can't drive
00:32:45.060 anymore and that's
00:32:45.700 by design.
00:32:46.580 Justin Trudeau
00:32:47.260 and Catherine
00:32:47.660 McKenna said
00:32:48.140 make better
00:32:48.960 choices.
00:32:51.140 But the other
00:32:52.060 side of that
00:32:52.640 is Ian
00:32:53.540 Haneman Singh
00:32:54.320 a CBC
00:32:55.020 commentator
00:32:57.240 tweeted the
00:32:58.260 other day
00:32:58.860 that oh it's
00:32:59.840 no big deal
00:33:00.500 and he likes
00:33:01.060 to fill up
00:33:01.540 with premium
00:33:02.060 gas and I
00:33:02.720 thought and
00:33:03.300 here's why I
00:33:03.960 mention this
00:33:04.460 because the
00:33:06.120 Supreme Court
00:33:06.720 justices are
00:33:08.340 not just one
00:33:09.760 percenters
00:33:10.260 they're one
00:33:10.780 tenth of one
00:33:11.380 percenters
00:33:11.800 they're so
00:33:12.580 wealthy
00:33:13.120 they have so
00:33:14.260 many perks
00:33:14.820 they make as
00:33:15.780 much money as
00:33:16.280 the Prime
00:33:16.640 Minister
00:33:16.960 they're so
00:33:18.340 elite
00:33:18.880 that I'm
00:33:20.040 sure they
00:33:20.660 think
00:33:21.260 paying a
00:33:22.760 buck 75
00:33:23.620 a buck 90
00:33:24.620 for premium
00:33:25.160 gas is fine
00:33:26.480 and that's
00:33:26.880 they're doing
00:33:27.420 their part
00:33:27.840 for the world
00:33:28.260 and like you
00:33:28.660 say
00:33:28.980 Beverly
00:33:29.580 McLaughlin
00:33:30.460 sitting back
00:33:31.400 like she's
00:33:31.880 some high
00:33:32.400 priest saying
00:33:32.960 what's best
00:33:33.580 for society
00:33:34.760 and I'm
00:33:35.560 worried
00:33:36.020 that they
00:33:37.940 are so
00:33:38.420 out of touch
00:33:39.020 with real
00:33:39.540 life in this
00:33:40.120 country
00:33:40.500 that they'll
00:33:41.200 be swayed
00:33:41.920 by this
00:33:42.480 green BS
00:33:43.980 that we hear
00:33:44.380 from Catherine
00:33:44.880 McKenna
00:33:45.220 but if they
00:33:47.020 uphold the
00:33:47.840 constitutionality
00:33:48.860 of this tax
00:33:49.640 here's my
00:33:51.000 hope Andrew
00:33:51.840 and I wouldn't
00:33:52.240 mind your
00:33:52.540 thoughts on
00:33:52.920 this
00:33:53.220 is that
00:33:53.980 perhaps it
00:33:54.680 sparks
00:33:55.420 the end
00:33:57.060 of the
00:33:58.020 unfortunate
00:33:59.120 Canadian
00:34:00.000 deference
00:34:00.720 to our
00:34:01.180 courts
00:34:01.420 there's
00:34:01.700 something
00:34:01.980 about
00:34:02.300 Canadians
00:34:02.860 that when
00:34:03.600 a court
00:34:03.940 says
00:34:04.220 something
00:34:04.480 we say
00:34:04.760 oh wow
00:34:05.740 that's the
00:34:07.240 end of
00:34:07.540 that
00:34:07.840 we can't
00:34:08.600 question
00:34:08.980 it
00:34:09.100 whereas in
00:34:09.380 the
00:34:09.460 United
00:34:09.700 States
00:34:10.160 they hate
00:34:11.120 their judges
00:34:11.660 just as much
00:34:12.260 as they hate
00:34:12.660 the other branches
00:34:13.360 of government
00:34:13.860 and they admit
00:34:14.840 it's partisan
00:34:15.340 you should see
00:34:15.900 the confirmation
00:34:16.340 hearings down
00:34:17.020 there
00:34:17.220 half the people
00:34:18.500 hate half
00:34:19.060 the judges
00:34:19.520 and the other
00:34:19.940 half hate
00:34:20.260 the other half
00:34:20.860 and I think
00:34:22.480 if this
00:34:23.400 elitist
00:34:24.700 court
00:34:25.260 upholds an
00:34:26.040 elitist
00:34:26.440 carbon tax
00:34:27.260 maybe that'll
00:34:28.200 break Canadians
00:34:28.960 out of our
00:34:29.400 trance that we're
00:34:29.980 so submissive
00:34:30.720 to the courts
00:34:31.340 well I think
00:34:33.020 submissive is a
00:34:33.900 part of it
00:34:34.420 but also
00:34:34.960 indifferent
00:34:35.560 I'm guessing
00:34:36.500 that most
00:34:37.120 Canadians
00:34:37.680 could tell you
00:34:38.800 all about
00:34:39.540 Ruth Bader
00:34:40.240 Ginsburg
00:34:40.640 and Brett
00:34:41.360 Kavanaugh
00:34:42.020 and all of
00:34:42.500 these other
00:34:42.900 American justices
00:34:43.920 but I would
00:34:44.780 actually challenge
00:34:46.380 people not
00:34:47.200 to their face
00:34:48.080 in a way that
00:34:48.600 embarrasses them
00:34:49.320 but to name
00:34:50.200 one or two
00:34:50.800 supreme court
00:34:51.420 justices
00:34:51.980 especially now
00:34:52.540 that Beverly
00:34:52.900 McLaughlin's
00:34:53.580 retired
00:34:53.940 I mean how
00:34:54.660 many people
00:34:55.040 can name the
00:34:55.560 chief justice
00:34:56.200 or any one
00:34:56.800 of the
00:34:57.140 queen a judges
00:34:58.020 or how many
00:34:58.820 people can say
00:34:59.440 what a queen
00:34:59.920 a judge is
00:35:00.680 or spell
00:35:01.220 spell queen
00:35:01.920 a for that
00:35:02.440 matter
00:35:02.760 Canadians do
00:35:04.140 not give this
00:35:04.960 body the
00:35:05.560 attention it
00:35:06.160 deserves
00:35:06.580 which is why
00:35:07.320 after 10
00:35:07.920 years of a
00:35:08.400 conservative
00:35:08.740 government
00:35:09.240 conservatives
00:35:10.620 are still
00:35:11.140 losing
00:35:11.640 because we
00:35:12.280 have not
00:35:12.600 paid attention
00:35:13.320 to this
00:35:14.100 institution
00:35:14.620 that does
00:35:15.220 as you
00:35:15.560 know
00:35:15.760 tend to
00:35:16.220 legislate
00:35:17.060 and you
00:35:17.540 know
00:35:17.620 the Ontario
00:35:18.180 case
00:35:19.160 back in
00:35:19.980 April
00:35:20.300 was very
00:35:20.900 illuminating
00:35:21.580 because
00:35:21.920 one of the
00:35:22.800 justices
00:35:23.280 took a very
00:35:24.000 strictly
00:35:24.440 constitutional
00:35:25.040 view of
00:35:25.700 these things
00:35:26.240 and was very
00:35:27.200 I'd say
00:35:27.560 aggressive
00:35:28.020 in a good
00:35:28.620 way at
00:35:29.000 putting it
00:35:29.400 to the
00:35:29.640 federal
00:35:29.880 government's
00:35:30.480 lawyer
00:35:30.700 and saying
00:35:31.120 look
00:35:31.340 you're
00:35:32.060 saying
00:35:32.360 this
00:35:32.560 this
00:35:32.760 this
00:35:32.980 this
00:35:33.000 how
00:35:33.260 are you
00:35:33.580 not
00:35:33.820 asking
00:35:34.240 the
00:35:34.840 court
00:35:35.200 to let
00:35:35.640 the
00:35:35.800 federal
00:35:36.060 government
00:35:36.500 open the
00:35:37.040 floodgates
00:35:37.660 to trample
00:35:38.260 on provincial
00:35:38.760 jurisdiction
00:35:39.340 and her
00:35:40.180 answer
00:35:40.600 was well
00:35:41.700 the federal
00:35:42.140 government
00:35:42.560 will put
00:35:43.000 legislation
00:35:43.540 forward
00:35:43.960 that limits
00:35:44.500 its own
00:35:44.860 power
00:35:45.220 in the
00:35:45.500 future
00:35:45.840 and there
00:35:47.320 was a
00:35:47.720 disbelief
00:35:48.460 in the
00:35:48.740 courtroom
00:35:49.040 and from
00:35:49.700 the judge
00:35:50.360 Justice
00:35:50.880 Huscroft
00:35:51.760 at that
00:35:52.080 point
00:35:52.380 to that
00:35:53.000 answer
00:35:53.400 that the
00:35:53.880 federal
00:35:54.120 government
00:35:54.500 wants to
00:35:54.960 basically
00:35:55.380 be able
00:35:55.820 to do
00:35:56.060 what Nancy
00:35:56.480 Pelosi
00:35:56.900 had talked
00:35:57.380 about
00:35:57.720 a few
00:35:58.340 years
00:35:58.560 back
00:35:58.900 if you
00:35:59.140 have to
00:35:59.440 pass the
00:35:59.900 bill to
00:36:00.220 find out
00:36:00.600 what's in
00:36:00.960 it
00:36:01.060 they want
00:36:01.380 to just
00:36:01.680 you know
00:36:02.120 give the
00:36:02.500 government
00:36:02.760 the right
00:36:03.160 to do
00:36:03.440 what it
00:36:03.640 wants
00:36:03.920 and then
00:36:04.220 it will
00:36:04.620 figure out
00:36:05.320 a way
00:36:05.540 to make
00:36:05.860 it
00:36:06.060 constitutional
00:36:06.720 moving
00:36:07.320 forward
00:36:07.700 which is
00:36:08.300 not how
00:36:08.660 the law
00:36:09.020 is supposed
00:36:09.420 to work
00:36:09.860 yeah
00:36:10.280 you know
00:36:11.180 it's funny
00:36:11.940 the other
00:36:12.960 day I saw
00:36:13.480 a startling
00:36:14.020 piece of
00:36:14.580 news
00:36:14.880 that a
00:36:15.760 Canadian
00:36:16.320 Supreme Court
00:36:17.060 judge
00:36:17.500 had literally
00:36:19.000 gone missing
00:36:20.140 and no one
00:36:22.040 knew where
00:36:22.980 he was
00:36:23.380 he was later
00:36:23.940 found
00:36:24.500 like days
00:36:25.720 later
00:36:26.080 found in
00:36:26.960 the hospital
00:36:27.560 now that's
00:36:28.340 a personal
00:36:28.940 challenge
00:36:29.780 and I'm not
00:36:30.520 making light
00:36:31.100 of it
00:36:31.280 and I hope
00:36:31.660 everything is
00:36:32.440 fine
00:36:32.740 but the idea
00:36:34.040 that a Supreme
00:36:34.820 Court judge
00:36:35.320 could go
00:36:35.700 missing
00:36:36.060 and that's
00:36:36.760 not for
00:36:37.080 in the
00:36:37.540 states
00:36:37.780 that would
00:36:38.040 be insane
00:36:39.040 front page
00:36:39.680 news
00:36:40.000 that goes
00:36:41.000 to your
00:36:41.280 point
00:36:41.540 about how
00:36:41.980 we
00:36:42.260 the judiciary
00:36:44.520 is like a
00:36:44.960 black box
00:36:45.540 and we don't
00:36:45.920 look into it
00:36:46.460 I just think
00:36:47.100 we need to
00:36:48.600 bring some
00:36:49.060 political
00:36:49.420 accountability
00:36:50.080 to it
00:36:50.660 now you
00:36:51.260 you just
00:36:52.060 ended with
00:36:52.400 an anecdote
00:36:52.840 that there
00:36:53.720 was a judge
00:36:54.280 asking good
00:36:54.800 questions in
00:36:55.400 Ontario
00:36:55.720 and that's
00:36:56.040 good
00:36:56.200 and I'm
00:36:56.440 not saying
00:36:56.820 throw out
00:36:57.580 all the
00:36:57.880 judges
00:36:58.160 but I
00:36:58.540 think
00:36:58.860 that more
00:36:59.820 and more
00:37:00.220 as there's
00:37:00.840 a disconnect
00:37:01.560 between the
00:37:02.040 elites
00:37:02.320 and the
00:37:02.980 people
00:37:03.320 we have
00:37:04.040 to scrutinize
00:37:04.780 that last
00:37:05.300 branch of
00:37:05.680 government
00:37:05.940 that is the
00:37:06.400 most elite
00:37:06.940 and the
00:37:07.620 least accountable
00:37:08.300 any
00:37:08.800 fascinating
00:37:09.660 stuff and
00:37:10.120 I really
00:37:10.400 appreciate you
00:37:10.980 covering it
00:37:11.580 and I
00:37:12.160 appreciate you
00:37:12.860 slogging through
00:37:13.920 the legal
00:37:14.460 minutiae of
00:37:16.480 it but let me
00:37:16.940 switch gears a bit
00:37:17.880 to something
00:37:18.360 completely different
00:37:19.180 next week
00:37:21.140 you are one
00:37:22.560 of the real
00:37:24.120 reporters that
00:37:25.140 is going to
00:37:26.120 London to
00:37:27.240 cover Tommy
00:37:28.280 Robinson's
00:37:29.560 retrial for
00:37:30.740 contempt of
00:37:31.340 court
00:37:31.580 give me one
00:37:32.500 minute on
00:37:32.960 that I'm
00:37:33.600 glad you're
00:37:34.020 coming back
00:37:34.440 thank you
00:37:35.160 give me some
00:37:36.260 reflections on
00:37:36.940 what you did
00:37:38.000 last time and
00:37:38.700 what you hope to
00:37:39.260 do this time and
00:37:39.900 why you think
00:37:40.380 it's important to
00:37:41.400 fly halfway across
00:37:42.200 the world
00:37:42.580 well look when I
00:37:44.440 went last time
00:37:45.240 and I'm very
00:37:45.660 grateful to your
00:37:47.020 viewers and
00:37:47.720 donors for
00:37:48.280 helping make
00:37:48.760 that happen
00:37:49.320 it was really
00:37:50.520 because of the
00:37:51.300 judicial accountability
00:37:52.240 that we were
00:37:52.920 talking about
00:37:53.580 I mean the
00:37:53.940 freedom of
00:37:54.940 Tommy Robinson
00:37:55.720 who may be a
00:37:56.460 raconteur but
00:37:57.180 he still was
00:37:57.760 approaching this
00:37:58.480 case of the
00:37:59.840 sex grooming
00:38:00.820 gangs from a
00:38:01.800 place of
00:38:02.680 journalistic
00:38:03.240 inquiry and
00:38:04.560 his ability to
00:38:05.600 do that without
00:38:06.320 the court slamming
00:38:07.460 the brakes on it
00:38:08.100 and saying you
00:38:09.100 can't do that
00:38:09.740 and I think that
00:38:10.500 story is still
00:38:11.420 alive and well
00:38:12.140 this will be the
00:38:12.740 third time that
00:38:14.060 he's facing a
00:38:15.080 court date to
00:38:16.040 deal with this
00:38:17.120 allegation of
00:38:18.080 contempt of
00:38:18.680 court there was
00:38:19.240 the time they
00:38:19.700 threw him in
00:38:20.120 jail the time
00:38:20.760 in October where
00:38:21.600 they avoided
00:38:23.380 actually having
00:38:24.180 the hearing and
00:38:24.840 then this one
00:38:25.520 now where they'll
00:38:26.780 redo the thing
00:38:27.640 but the other
00:38:28.640 aspect of it is
00:38:29.980 the media's biased
00:38:31.640 reporting of it
00:38:32.880 because my
00:38:33.600 position on this
00:38:34.320 has always been
00:38:34.900 that I'm not a
00:38:35.680 cheerleader of
00:38:36.380 Tommy I'm a
00:38:36.960 cheerleader of
00:38:37.540 due process and
00:38:38.900 I think that
00:38:39.400 there's a lot of
00:38:40.040 good and I think
00:38:40.580 there's a lot of
00:38:41.280 stuff that I've
00:38:42.120 asked questions
00:38:42.700 about when it
00:38:43.680 comes to Tommy
00:38:44.280 Robinson and you
00:38:45.320 can only get those
00:38:46.460 answers when you're
00:38:47.700 prepared to do the
00:38:48.700 story and do it
00:38:49.720 honestly and when I
00:38:50.560 was in London in
00:38:51.260 October I found
00:38:52.600 that the media in
00:38:53.820 Britain was not
00:38:55.180 only unwilling to
00:38:56.300 cover it honestly
00:38:57.080 but willing to
00:38:58.420 deceptively lie
00:39:00.520 about Tommy and
00:39:02.180 about the case and
00:39:03.060 I think that it's
00:39:04.600 unfortunate for the
00:39:05.720 people in the UK
00:39:06.500 that you have to
00:39:07.360 import someone from
00:39:08.200 Canada to cover the
00:39:09.420 facts but if that's
00:39:10.460 the way things are I'm
00:39:11.200 happy to go there.
00:39:12.260 Yeah well we're
00:39:12.740 thrilled that you're
00:39:13.260 coming back and you
00:39:14.560 bring that independence
00:39:15.620 inside and that's the
00:39:16.220 thing with you and
00:39:17.640 Cassandra Fairbanks of
00:39:18.640 Gateway Pundit and
00:39:19.560 Pardes Saleh formerly
00:39:20.700 of Mediaite and we've
00:39:22.980 got Jordan James from
00:39:26.840 Politicalite Story we've
00:39:28.800 got Avi Yamini from
00:39:30.120 Australia I'm just trying
00:39:30.900 to list I think and
00:39:32.080 we're bringing two
00:39:32.640 cameramen I think our
00:39:33.620 total crew is nine plus
00:39:37.560 me and I'm thrilled
00:39:39.820 because and we're not
00:39:42.860 reviewing oh and
00:39:43.700 Jessica Sviacinowski
00:39:44.620 from the rebel so
00:39:46.000 we're having a whole
00:39:47.300 cohort of people and
00:39:48.240 other than Jessica who
00:39:49.060 works for the rebel
00:39:49.640 everyone else is
00:39:50.860 independent I don't
00:39:51.740 review what you say
00:39:52.880 before you publish it
00:39:53.780 I don't review what
00:39:54.760 Cassandra Fairbanks or
00:39:55.860 Pardes Saleh do because
00:39:57.120 I just know you're fair
00:39:59.460 enough that you will
00:40:00.920 call it like you see it
00:40:02.000 and that is miles better
00:40:03.500 than any of the British
00:40:04.540 media is doing I don't
00:40:05.740 care what you say as
00:40:06.440 long as you say something
00:40:07.180 because I know you're
00:40:07.800 going to be more honest
00:40:08.560 than these British media
00:40:10.360 party types I'm thrilled
00:40:12.060 you're coming thank you
00:40:12.820 for doing that well
00:40:15.120 thank you I'm looking
00:40:15.840 forward to it all right
00:40:17.260 well folks if you want
00:40:18.620 to learn more about our
00:40:19.800 program to bring nine
00:40:21.120 journalists to London to
00:40:22.480 help cover Tommy's trial
00:40:23.780 and like I say they're
00:40:24.760 independent I have no
00:40:26.140 input in what Andrew
00:40:27.680 Lawton or the other
00:40:28.380 journalists say go to
00:40:29.860 real reporters dot UK and
00:40:32.040 you can help us crowdfund
00:40:33.280 the flights economy class
00:40:35.000 airfare three star or less
00:40:36.920 hotels so it's not a
00:40:38.380 luxury trip I'll tell you
00:40:39.360 that but we're getting
00:40:40.520 these journalists to
00:40:41.320 London for Tommy's trial
00:40:42.380 on May 14th I'll be
00:40:43.880 there too and you can
00:40:44.800 help us at real
00:40:45.380 reporters dot UK all
00:40:46.860 right Andrew we'll we'll
00:40:47.900 see you in London have
00:40:49.140 a safe journey remember
00:40:50.200 your passport and I
00:40:52.100 will do our best to
00:40:52.860 cover freedom of speech
00:40:53.760 over there too absolutely
00:40:55.640 thanks Ezra all right
00:40:56.560 take care my friend well
00:40:58.000 there you have it stay
00:40:58.800 with us more ahead on
00:40:59.940 the rebel
00:41:00.200 hey welcome back on my
00:41:12.520 monologue about Greta
00:41:13.440 Thunberg and brainwashing
00:41:14.840 kids to panic about global
00:41:16.520 warming Bruce writes I
00:41:18.780 totally think that this is
00:41:19.880 child abuse it's just like
00:41:21.340 how Palestinian children
00:41:22.260 are taught to hate Jews
00:41:23.480 you are exactly right and I
00:41:25.420 was thinking of that in my
00:41:26.420 mind I didn't write that
00:41:27.300 because of course teaching
00:41:28.960 kids to blow themselves up
00:41:30.420 as suicide bombers is so
00:41:31.660 many degrees crazier than
00:41:34.380 just to be death cult climate
00:41:36.200 panickers but it is the
00:41:38.520 same thing why don't you
00:41:39.680 let kids be kids how about
00:41:41.860 don't scare the hell out of
00:41:43.820 them a kid believes you when
00:41:45.460 you say we've got 11 years
00:41:46.920 left to live a kid would
00:41:48.260 believe a grown-up how about
00:41:49.660 don't tell them that John
00:41:52.340 writes I wish the best for
00:41:54.220 Greta and hope she can free
00:41:55.420 herself from her parents
00:41:56.740 manipulations yeah wouldn't
00:42:01.000 that be great although I
00:42:02.140 don't see how she possibly
00:42:03.240 could every single force in
00:42:04.980 her life is emphasizing and
00:42:07.100 deepening and encouraging
00:42:08.240 this bad path she's on
00:42:09.580 Stephen writes the point is
00:42:13.360 power train the young to
00:42:15.320 accept the liberal way then
00:42:16.540 you have hundreds of
00:42:17.240 thousands of young adults
00:42:18.300 trained in liberal ideology
00:42:19.860 and they will vote liberal
00:42:20.680 with no need to campaign yeah I
00:42:23.600 think we see this already you
00:42:24.500 know we have a series that we
00:42:26.160 do on our YouTube we call it
00:42:28.000 generation Trudeau and it's
00:42:29.600 just you know for the longest
00:42:30.940 time David Menzies would go
00:42:32.060 downtown and just talk to the
00:42:33.080 kids either on campus or
00:42:34.260 frankly coming out of the bars
00:42:35.420 and you know if you've taught
00:42:37.820 someone since kindergarten about
00:42:39.880 global warming and carbon
00:42:42.000 taxes even if they weren't
00:42:44.100 really paying attention in
00:42:45.060 school even if they're not
00:42:45.760 political at all by the time
00:42:47.600 they graduate they just repeat
00:42:48.960 that stuff and they don't even
00:42:50.460 think it's ideological it's
00:42:51.540 like saying yeah man don't
00:42:52.500 litter don't litter so pay a
00:42:54.840 carbon tax is as normal as of
00:42:56.260 course don't litter it's not
00:42:57.240 nice to litter of course pay
00:42:58.680 the carbon tax of course
00:42:59.360 global warming it's not even
00:43:00.680 political when you teach it
00:43:01.680 from when these kids are
00:43:04.040 children of tender years of
00:43:05.000 course they believe when
00:43:05.700 they're time to vote that's
00:43:07.100 the teachers unions for you
00:43:08.080 well that's our show for
00:43:10.400 today until tomorrow on
00:43:11.840 behalf of all of us here at
00:43:12.860 Rebel World Headquarters
00:43:13.620 good night keep fighting for
00:43:15.540 freedom
00:43:15.840 good night we'll be the