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Trudeau tried to destroy Vice Admiral Mark Norman’s career — and it blew up in his face. What happens next？


Summary

Justin Trudeau wanted an innocent man to go to prison. Instead, the prosecution dropped the case against Mark Norman, leaving the former vice-admiral completely exonerated of all charges against him. What happens next? Ezra Levenant explains.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. Well, yesterday, I went up to Ottawa for what was supposed to be the trial of Mark Norman.
00:00:05.920 Instead, it became the vindication of Mark Norman as the prosecution hastily dropped the charges against him.
00:00:13.600 What was so crazy about that is that they had been denied facts that exculpated him, that exonerated him.
00:00:21.740 Justin Trudeau's government withheld facts that once the defense lawyers gave them to the prosecutors,
00:00:28.240 the prosecutors immediately dropped the case saying, we don't have a case here.
00:00:32.260 Justin Trudeau wanted an innocent man to go to prison.
00:00:35.380 I tell you about my visit to Ottawa and the legal stakes at hand.
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00:01:14.800 Tonight, Justin Trudeau tried to destroy Mark Norman's career, but it blew up in Trudeau's face.
00:01:20.780 What happens next?
00:01:21.960 It's May 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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00:01:40.020 Yesterday, I went to Ottawa for what was supposed to be the latest in the two-year prosecution of Vice Admiral Mark Norman, the second in command of the Canadian forces.
00:01:56.100 Things were heating up in court, and Norman's hotshot lawyer, Marie Hennane, was effectively turning the tables on the Trudeau government.
00:02:04.960 Her client was accused of one count of breach of trust, which is a terrible charge to level against a top military officer.
00:02:12.860 Breach of trust?
00:02:14.340 It's almost tantamount to treason.
00:02:16.760 It's typical for someone who, say, would steer a shipbuilding contract to a political friend in return for a secret cash payment.
00:02:26.280 That would be a breach of trust.
00:02:28.000 That's actually what Brian Mulroney was accused of doing during the Airbus scandal.
00:02:32.300 When Air Canada was a crown corporation, Mulroney's cabinet chose Airbus instead of Boeing.
00:02:37.140 And, funny thing, an Airbus lobbyist named Karl Heinz Schreiber paid Brian Mulroney at least $225,000 in cash after Mulroney stepped down as prime minister.
00:02:48.660 Yeah, that's the kind of thing that breach of trust was made for.
00:02:51.860 But Mark Norman, he sort of did the opposite.
00:02:56.280 See, the Canadian Navy really needed a supply ship, basically a floating gas station for other ships, and it was needed in a hurry.
00:03:03.280 So he championed a plan to refurbish an existing ship to get it done faster.
00:03:09.300 Now, that was approved by the Harper government.
00:03:12.060 The contract was given to a Quebec shipyard to do it.
00:03:15.560 But after Trudeau won the 2015 election, wouldn't you know it, Scott Bryson, the Liberal cabinet minister,
00:03:21.700 came to cabinet with a letter from the Liberal-connected shipbuilding firm in the Atlantic,
00:03:26.280 owned by the Liberal Irving family, saying,
00:03:28.400 Hey, why don't you do the right thing for your Liberal friends and give us that contract instead?
00:03:35.200 Not only did the Irvings not win the competition in the first place,
00:03:38.940 but cancelling the Quebec shipyard would incur $89 million in cancellation penalties.
00:03:44.720 So Mark Norman mentioned this to the Quebec shipyard,
00:03:47.200 and he apparently leaked this proposed interference by Bryson to the media.
00:03:51.540 The resulting embarrassment called Bryson and Trudeau to back off.
00:03:55.620 The contract with the Quebec firm indeed went ahead.
00:03:58.940 And incredibly, the ship was built on time and on budget.
00:04:01.800 How rare is that?
00:04:03.220 But oh my God, don't you dare cross Trudeau or Scott Bryson.
00:04:06.800 Haven't you learned that yet?
00:04:08.800 Jody Wilson-Raybould crossed Trudeau by not dropping criminal charges against his corrupt friends at SNC-Lavalin.
00:04:15.400 So she was fired from cabinet and smeared by the Liberals?
00:04:19.020 Well, same thing with Mark Norman.
00:04:20.160 The government launched an internal investigation to find out who leaked the news of their secret plans
00:04:26.540 to give this shipbuilding contract to their Liberal buddies.
00:04:30.260 Boy, were they furious and curious.
00:04:33.100 And they found that it was Mark Norman.
00:04:35.700 Now, he was not on the take.
00:04:37.540 No $225,000 cash payment to him.
00:04:40.800 Nothing for him, in fact.
00:04:41.960 He just wanted that ship for the Navy.
00:04:44.100 He wanted to stop Trudeau and Bryson and the Irvings from wrecking those plans all just to steer a big contract to Trudeau's friends.
00:04:52.880 He was a whistleblower in his own way, like Jody Wilson-Raybould was.
00:04:56.380 And you know, his crime of leaking the news about Scott Bryson's scheme?
00:05:00.620 Well, it turns out that the investigation into the leaker found not one leaker,
00:05:04.680 not two, not three, not four, not five, but six.
00:05:08.940 Six people leaked this super-secret news to a total of 73 people.
00:05:15.040 Funny, though, Mark Norman was the only one suspended from his command and prosecuted for the crime of breach of trust.
00:05:21.060 Oh, and the government, which normally pays for the legal defense of civil servants and military personnel
00:05:25.360 who are sued for what they do on the job.
00:05:27.460 The Trudeau government, funny, refused to pay for Mark Norman's legal defense funds.
00:05:32.700 So the second-in-command of the Canadian military was forced to put up a crowdfunding page.
00:05:38.860 He had the smarts to hire Marie Hanein, well-known as one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.
00:05:43.180 She's the one who got Gian Gomeschi off.
00:05:46.540 I suppose I should rephrase that.
00:05:47.860 She's the one who got Gian Gomeschi acquitted.
00:05:51.440 So she was the right choice for Mark Norman.
00:05:54.040 Now the government had so many lawyers prosecuting Norman,
00:05:57.680 so many that they filled up the tables and chairs in the courtroom normally reserved for lawyers.
00:06:01.460 There were so many lawyers against Mark Norman on behalf of the Trudeau government,
00:06:05.200 they spilled into the cheap seats, meant for public observers in court.
00:06:08.300 That's how much of a hate on Justin Trudeau had for Mark Norman.
00:06:11.160 I mean, you don't cross Justin Trudeau, especially not when it comes to a liberal donor like the Irvings.
00:06:17.520 And you know, it was this guy, the crooked former clerk of the Privy Council,
00:06:23.520 who resigned in disgrace over his handling the SNC-Lavalin file.
00:06:27.960 It was this guy who called the cops on Mark Norman.
00:06:30.100 Did you know that?
00:06:31.780 Anyways, that's the back story.
00:06:33.140 The case has been before the courts for two years,
00:06:35.000 but Hanein wasn't getting what a criminal lawyer is entitled under law to get.
00:06:39.040 It's called disclosure.
00:06:40.460 As in, if you're accused of a crime and the police are coming for you,
00:06:44.000 and they have all the resources of the government and all the powers,
00:06:46.760 the power to subpoena documents, to interview people,
00:06:49.180 maybe even the power to wiretap or execute search warrants,
00:06:52.920 you have the right to know the case against you.
00:06:55.160 So the police, in any criminal case, the prosecutors, the police,
00:06:59.220 have to give the accused what's called disclosure.
00:07:01.980 As in, give them copies of everything that the police know.
00:07:05.220 Copies of any damning evidence against you, any recordings, any notes, anything.
00:07:09.600 It's called disclosure.
00:07:10.440 But they also have to give you anything that would exculpate you, exonerate you,
00:07:16.980 help prove you innocent.
00:07:17.940 They have to give you that too, of course.
00:07:19.360 Otherwise, police could hide things.
00:07:21.300 I mean, theoretically, without the obligation to disclose exculpating evidence,
00:07:26.520 they could theoretically have someone else actually on tape confessing to the crime you're accused of,
00:07:31.960 but they could keep that a secret from you.
00:07:33.500 I'm just giving you an example of why disclosure has to include stuff that gets the accused off.
00:07:38.740 But funny enough, the Trudeau government, including the crooked clerk of the Privy Council,
00:07:44.580 just wouldn't hand over their records, including a 60-page memo written by Wernick.
00:07:51.500 Why not?
00:07:52.000 I mean, what was in there?
00:07:53.660 Hanein applied for orders for motor disclosure.
00:07:57.060 The court agreed, but Trudeau and his thugs refused.
00:07:59.880 I'm calling them thugs because they wanted a man to go to prison.
00:08:03.620 They said, get this, Trudeau's PMO said this,
00:08:06.360 they said, we don't keep notes in our meetings.
00:08:10.500 Really?
00:08:11.980 A government with no paperwork.
00:08:14.700 That's a new one.
00:08:15.980 As one commentator put it,
00:08:17.420 the only organization that doesn't keep notes about their meetings is organized crime.
00:08:23.700 Oh, and it came out that, in fact, there were plenty of discussions and emails and records about this,
00:08:29.080 but Trudeau's government specifically decided not to use Mark Norman's name.
00:08:33.900 They would use pseudonyms or code words for him.
00:08:38.300 So they could later claim they didn't have any records about Mark Norman when they were asked by the court.
00:08:42.740 They actively deceived the world, not just the media, not just the public,
00:08:49.120 but Mark Norman himself and his lawyers and the judge.
00:08:52.780 Justin Trudeau's government actively deceived the judge.
00:08:57.120 Because, of course, because this was about punishing Mark Norman.
00:09:01.660 Not for breach of trust.
00:09:02.780 He was actually the only trustworthy guy around, wasn't he?
00:09:05.400 But this was about punishing someone in the system who didn't bend the knee to Justin Trudeau.
00:09:12.260 You know, back in the year 2000, it was Rose Knight, the young female reporter in Creston, B.C.,
00:09:16.980 who didn't get with the program when Trudeau sexually assaulted her.
00:09:20.020 She didn't understand.
00:09:21.400 You have to do what Trudeau wants you to do.
00:09:24.460 Jody Wilson-Raybould didn't get with the program, so she was fired.
00:09:27.560 Same with Mark Norman.
00:09:28.980 What are you going to do, complain?
00:09:30.260 Who are you going to complain to?
00:09:31.340 I should mention in passing that Jody Wilson-Raybould has been asked about the Mark Norman case.
00:09:36.540 After all, she was the attorney general when the prosecution was started.
00:09:39.700 I think she wants to talk about it.
00:09:41.680 But she has not been relieved of her cabinet and other confidentiality obligations by Trudeau.
00:09:47.520 He won't let her talk about it.
00:09:49.260 They don't want her to talk about it.
00:09:50.580 I wonder why.
00:09:52.720 Well, Hanein kept pushing.
00:09:55.140 I thought it was getting really interesting,
00:09:56.480 so I decided last week to go to Ottawa yesterday to live tweet from the trial.
00:10:01.340 But the night before yesterday's hearing,
00:10:04.680 the prosecutor herself put out a letter to the public saying there would be an important announcement yesterday.
00:10:12.400 And indeed there was.
00:10:14.420 Let me quote from the statement from the prosecution.
00:10:17.020 After reviewing further evidence provided to the prosecution,
00:10:21.800 some from applications for records that were not part of the investigation,
00:10:25.120 third-party records,
00:10:26.220 and some volunteered by the defense,
00:10:28.020 the Public Prosecution Service of Canada,
00:10:30.000 is no longer of the view that a reasonable prospect of conviction exists.
00:10:34.180 In particular, the Crown has concluded that will not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt
00:10:37.780 that Mr. Norman's conduct in this case amounted to a serious and marked departure
00:10:42.440 from the standards expected of a person in his position of trust.
00:10:47.920 So that's what the prosecutor told the judge yesterday morning,
00:10:50.960 and the charges were dropped.
00:10:53.700 After two years of him being wrung out.
00:10:56.760 So let me translate that statement from the prosecutor into English.
00:10:59.280 The Trudeau government refused to give over information to Mark Norman or his lawyer, Marie Hinnain.
00:11:05.920 They just refused.
00:11:07.300 Not just that.
00:11:08.520 They were actively deceiving the court by claiming they had no records
00:11:12.600 or by deliberately using coded words so as not to use Norman's name.
00:11:17.040 Like I say, only organized crime behaves that way.
00:11:20.620 So Marie Hinnain herself was able to find records
00:11:23.560 that apparently exonerated Mark Norman.
00:11:26.540 She found them herself somehow
00:11:28.820 and gave them to the prosecutor.
00:11:33.560 And the prosecutor looked at it and said,
00:11:36.520 Oh my God, you're right.
00:11:41.560 The last two years of this prosecution has been a fraud.
00:11:45.300 Okay, I don't know exactly what she thought.
00:11:46.840 How would I know what she thought?
00:11:47.820 But that's the effect of it because the prosecutor dropped the charges.
00:11:53.180 They would have prosecuted and perhaps convicted an innocent man
00:11:56.400 had Trudeau had his way.
00:11:58.840 Let that sink in.
00:12:01.000 Now the prosecutor came out of the court and said this,
00:12:03.660 and I was right there,
00:12:04.900 and believe me, I was steaming mad about this injustice.
00:12:07.460 How on earth could the Crown Prosecutor not have had the facts?
00:12:12.040 The Justice Department, it's like the largest law firm in the country.
00:12:14.960 Thousands of lawyers.
00:12:16.560 They have endless resources, unlimited resources.
00:12:19.220 They have all the facts, all the information.
00:12:20.920 It's the government.
00:12:23.740 Norman was crowdfunding his defense in $5 and $10 increments,
00:12:27.120 and the prosecution didn't have this important information,
00:12:31.220 but Marie Hanein did.
00:12:32.700 That's an outrage.
00:12:33.740 And a good man was smeared for two years because of it.
00:12:36.760 Here, listen to me get really mad at this prosecutor.
00:12:39.120 Did the government not give you exculpatory evidence before you prosecuted?
00:12:43.940 Who withheld that information from you?
00:12:47.680 There's no such thing as just one piece of exculpatory evidence in a case like this.
00:12:51.820 How did you not have it?
00:12:52.580 It's a complex breach of facts.
00:12:53.760 How did you not have it?
00:12:55.200 You did have it eventually.
00:12:56.740 Did you not have the resources to find it in the first place?
00:12:59.000 Can you speak French, ma'am?
00:13:00.360 Can you say a few words?
00:13:01.720 Sufficiently.
00:13:03.160 Where are the documents coming from?
00:13:04.580 Is it over?
00:13:06.140 I mean, is this piece over just to clarify?
00:13:08.360 Yes, it is.
00:13:08.660 Can you explain?
00:13:15.220 Why did you not explain what the exculpatory evidence was since you smeared him publicly?
00:13:20.940 I mean, his name has been blackened in public.
00:13:23.900 Why will you not tell us what information has caused you to drop this?
00:13:29.520 You were happy to throw mud.
00:13:30.980 Why don't you tell us what the detergent was?
00:13:32.600 Sir, the Defence Council has provided the information on certain conditions, and I can't discuss it.
00:13:39.960 Right, but you're the one who smeared him in public with this two-year ordeal.
00:13:43.360 Why will you not tell us why he's free to go?
00:13:47.900 Don't you feel an obligation to his reputation?
00:13:51.320 I tried to explain that in court as well as I could.
00:13:54.460 Has your office had any contact whatsoever with the PMO?
00:13:58.500 Well, really, don't you think you owe a little bit more to Mr. Norman?
00:14:04.740 Do you feel any personal feelings about this case?
00:14:07.340 Do you feel like maybe you were used a bit?
00:14:09.680 No, don't you think you were used a bit?
00:14:11.200 No, we did our job, sir.
00:14:12.800 All right, I was mad.
00:14:14.440 But don't you think my point is right?
00:14:16.940 Why can't we know how and why Mark Norman was exonerated?
00:14:20.800 Would it embarrass some politician somewhere?
00:14:23.280 Who cares?
00:14:25.420 How can this prosecutor who eventually did the right thing, after doing the wrong thing for two years, how does she feel?
00:14:32.020 She was part of a false accusation against him.
00:14:35.340 She was part of a false prosecution against him, of an innocent man.
00:14:39.760 Could you imagine if she had succeeded?
00:14:41.260 For two years, she led the fight against Mark Norman.
00:14:44.660 Is it really enough for her to say, as she told me at the end there,
00:14:47.180 I was just doing my job.
00:14:49.140 I was just doing my job.
00:14:50.860 Well, maybe.
00:14:52.300 And maybe she truly didn't know about this until just recently,
00:14:55.280 about the exculpatory information, whatever that information was.
00:14:58.580 But surely she knew for months, maybe years,
00:15:01.760 that her client, the Trudeau government, was withholding information,
00:15:04.640 was hiding, was lying.
00:15:05.580 We all knew that.
00:15:06.160 She knew that.
00:15:06.860 And she went along with it.
00:15:08.300 And she has nothing to say now other than,
00:15:10.240 I was just doing my job.
00:15:12.260 And what about Justin Trudeau?
00:15:14.780 Well, that coward skipped question period on Wednesday.
00:15:17.860 And again today, here's his official schedule.
00:15:20.140 He's busy.
00:15:21.040 You see, he's getting ready for a Ramadan celebration tonight.
00:15:23.900 I'm not kidding.
00:15:24.720 That's actually what his schedule says he's doing tonight.
00:15:27.780 The coward, not just a coward, a corrupter of justice.
00:15:31.540 You know Justin Trudeau loves making apologies all the time.
00:15:35.780 But he only apologizes for what other people have done,
00:15:39.020 never for what he does.
00:15:40.560 He loves apologizing, especially for things done many years,
00:15:43.940 sometimes decades ago,
00:15:45.500 because that allows him to play the great moral hero.
00:15:48.720 When he apologizes for something that he never did,
00:15:50.880 but someone else did,
00:15:51.640 it's Trudeau's way of complimenting himself,
00:15:53.500 of saying,
00:15:54.060 I'm so much better than these people I'm apologizing for,
00:15:57.080 aren't I?
00:15:57.480 Great.
00:15:58.200 Sometimes I think he just loves to shower praise and money
00:16:01.140 on terrible people,
00:16:02.440 like Omar Khadar,
00:16:04.440 to whom he gave $10.5 million
00:16:05.960 and a public apology to a convicted murderer.
00:16:08.600 But none for his mistreatment of Mark Norman.
00:16:12.480 Not even the word sorry.
00:16:14.720 No way.
00:16:15.200 Are you kidding?
00:16:16.020 In fact, until yesterday,
00:16:17.200 the government wouldn't even pay his legal defense,
00:16:19.140 which is standard operating procedure.
00:16:22.340 Trudeau hates Mark Norman.
00:16:23.600 I think he would have hated the trial much more, frankly.
00:16:26.720 I think yesterday's dropping the charges
00:16:28.460 was actually the best outcome for Trudeau
00:16:30.260 this deep into things.
00:16:32.300 A trial would have shown
00:16:33.280 the deep corruption of Trudeau in a way nothing else has yet.
00:16:36.740 But Trudeau can't say sorry
00:16:38.620 because he's not sorry.
00:16:40.840 Because his entire life
00:16:42.360 is one of entitlement.
00:16:44.680 And of course he should have the right
00:16:46.000 to give shipbuilding contracts
00:16:47.500 to his friends who were liberal.
00:16:48.760 I mean, to him, that's what's most important.
00:16:51.400 Ask the people dying of mercury poisoning
00:16:53.940 in the Grassy Narrows Reserve.
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00:17:52.180 Yeah, I mean,
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00:17:55.680 So after I scrummed the prosecutor
00:17:57.380 outside the Ottawa Courthouse,
00:17:58.640 I went to the press conference
00:17:59.660 with Marie Hinnane and Mark Norman.
00:18:01.320 I'd like to play for you
00:18:02.280 a fair chunk of it.
00:18:03.360 Is that okay?
00:18:03.940 Now, I know I put this up
00:18:04.820 on YouTube yesterday,
00:18:05.700 but I just want to put this
00:18:06.820 in my commentary today.
00:18:07.840 I think it's self-explanatory.
00:18:09.300 I want you to see as much of this
00:18:10.580 as you have patience for.
00:18:11.960 Can you please watch
00:18:12.640 a few minutes of this?
00:18:14.060 I know you won't see this
00:18:15.640 anywhere else,
00:18:16.240 so please watch and come back
00:18:17.900 because I want to tell you
00:18:18.800 how it felt to be in that room
00:18:21.420 with Mark Norman and Marie Hinnane
00:18:23.400 to be surrounded by the media party.
00:18:25.220 I was sitting right next
00:18:25.960 to CBC, CTV, Global.
00:18:27.460 They were all there.
00:18:28.400 The Globe and Mail
00:18:28.880 and the Toronto Star.
00:18:29.740 I want to tell you how I think
00:18:31.940 they felt about the whole thing.
00:18:34.880 So watch for a bit
00:18:35.580 and then come right back, okay?
00:18:37.520 Ultimately, I look forward
00:18:39.120 to my immediate reinstatement
00:18:40.880 and a return to serve in Canada.
00:18:43.920 Something that I have done
00:18:45.100 unfailingly for the last 38 years.
00:18:48.220 Something that Canadians
00:18:49.360 should expect and demand.
00:18:53.500 In closing, I want to speak directly
00:18:56.460 to the thousands of Canadians
00:18:58.760 who stood by me,
00:19:00.840 who supported me and my family,
00:19:03.560 both spiritually and financially.
00:19:06.200 We would simply have never made it here
00:19:08.620 without your generosity and help.
00:19:10.880 Thank you.
00:19:15.260 And just before we begin,
00:19:17.180 I do want to introduce again
00:19:18.320 the all-female team
00:19:20.040 that represented Vice Admiral Mark Norman.
00:19:23.200 Woo!
00:19:24.660 Sydney Hopkins.
00:19:26.420 At the end, Maya Baroa
00:19:27.860 and my co-counsel, Christine Manville.
00:19:31.140 Fortunately, Vice Admiral Norman
00:19:32.700 didn't fire the females that he hired.
00:19:34.720 So we're ready to take questions from you.
00:19:38.680 Yeah.
00:19:39.940 For two years or more,
00:19:41.680 you've had this stigma
00:19:42.760 of these criminal charges against you,
00:19:44.920 but the exculpatory information
00:19:47.240 is not known.
00:19:49.620 why should it be known?
00:19:52.840 How can we find out what it was
00:19:55.420 that set you free?
00:19:56.280 Well, that's in the hands of the prosecution.
00:19:59.880 And as you know,
00:20:00.500 there is another prosecution
00:20:01.580 that is outstanding.
00:20:03.740 So the Crown has all sorts of obligations
00:20:05.840 in respect of that.
00:20:07.640 It is sitting with them.
00:20:09.280 As you know,
00:20:09.940 we were in the midst
00:20:10.580 of a third party viewing them.
00:20:11.800 We've been on month five
00:20:12.900 or six of that exercise.
00:20:15.300 And as this matter ends today,
00:20:17.640 that means our involvement
00:20:18.960 in the process
00:20:20.840 as well as our ability
00:20:22.260 to compel production
00:20:24.040 ends with it as well.
00:20:25.980 So it is now in the hands
00:20:27.240 of the people
00:20:28.840 who are the holder
00:20:29.640 of those records.
00:20:31.060 Ms. Hedden,
00:20:31.560 do you believe that,
00:20:32.900 have any evidence
00:20:33.960 that this prosecution initially
00:20:35.640 or at least the decision
00:20:36.700 to stay at
00:20:37.660 was politically motivated
00:20:39.080 in any way?
00:20:39.760 Well, there are a number
00:20:40.320 of questions there,
00:20:41.020 so let me break it up
00:20:42.080 for a moment.
00:20:42.900 The decision
00:20:43.780 to stay this prosecution
00:20:46.060 was discretion exercised
00:20:48.400 by the prosecutors
00:20:49.660 and the DPP,
00:20:51.820 unimpacted
00:20:53.220 by any political considerations,
00:20:57.500 as it should be.
00:20:58.840 That is, in fact,
00:21:00.080 how things are supposed to work.
00:21:02.160 Politics are supposed
00:21:03.280 to stay out
00:21:03.960 of the prosecutorial process.
00:21:06.160 But I would remind you
00:21:07.920 that in this case,
00:21:09.720 the government
00:21:10.360 has been
00:21:12.480 been at the table
00:21:13.320 and they've been
00:21:13.980 at the table,
00:21:14.680 they've been represented
00:21:15.480 by seven or eight lawyers
00:21:16.960 in court
00:21:17.660 at the Department of Justice.
00:21:19.440 So these charges
00:21:20.520 were referred
00:21:21.240 by the PCO,
00:21:22.660 the Privy Council Office.
00:21:24.480 The PCO has been
00:21:26.260 the holder
00:21:26.780 of the records
00:21:27.480 that we've now spent
00:21:28.240 six months
00:21:28.960 trying to get
00:21:30.320 and to this day,
00:21:31.520 and to this day,
00:21:32.020 Vice Admiral Norman,
00:21:33.480 because of the position
00:21:34.380 taken by the PMO
00:21:35.700 and PCO's office,
00:21:37.120 has not had access
00:21:38.100 to his own records.
00:21:39.740 And we were continuing
00:21:40.820 in this fight.
00:21:41.840 So they have had a seat
00:21:43.280 at the table,
00:21:44.580 they have been participants
00:21:45.660 in the process,
00:21:46.980 they have been represented.
00:21:48.540 So much so,
00:21:49.600 that they are not only
00:21:50.820 the people who decided
00:21:51.900 whether or not
00:21:52.560 to assert cabinet confidence
00:21:53.840 and then a last-minute switch
00:21:55.720 to public interest privilege,
00:21:56.920 and are not only
00:21:58.080 the holders of the documents,
00:21:59.500 but were also
00:22:00.180 counsel and witnesses
00:22:01.500 as to what they could
00:22:02.660 and could not say.
00:22:03.780 And I want to make it
00:22:04.460 very clear that we,
00:22:05.980 the defense,
00:22:06.620 had to bring this motion
00:22:07.740 at great expense
00:22:08.720 to Vice Admiral Norman
00:22:10.160 to get at those records.
00:22:11.620 Neither we,
00:22:12.460 and here's the important part,
00:22:13.600 nor the prosecution,
00:22:15.220 were given access
00:22:16.080 to those documents.
00:22:17.900 And the people
00:22:18.760 that were standing
00:22:19.660 in the way
00:22:20.240 of that full disclosure
00:22:21.480 is obviously
00:22:22.760 the government
00:22:23.320 who had access to them,
00:22:24.580 had those third-party records,
00:22:25.920 and was taking the positions
00:22:27.340 that you all heard
00:22:28.020 they were taking in court.
00:22:29.180 I want to tell you
00:22:30.020 how it felt to be in that room.
00:22:32.740 The people in that room
00:22:33.820 in the last election
00:22:34.560 would have voted
00:22:35.060 about 80% for Justin Trudeau
00:22:36.780 and probably 20%
00:22:38.380 for Thomas Mulcair.
00:22:39.620 Except the cameramen,
00:22:40.840 who probably voted
00:22:41.560 50% for Harper.
00:22:42.500 I'm serious.
00:22:43.080 I had a camera guy
00:22:44.120 for Arrival Network,
00:22:45.300 I won't say who,
00:22:46.220 who asked me
00:22:46.720 if I could lean in
00:22:47.440 and he could get
00:22:47.940 a selfie with me.
00:22:49.340 They're normal people,
00:22:50.620 the cameramen.
00:22:51.240 It's the on-air talent
00:22:52.480 who are the hardcore lefties.
00:22:55.080 Everyone was there.
00:22:56.140 I mean,
00:22:56.320 Glenn McGregor of CTV
00:22:57.340 was there.
00:22:57.900 Tonda McCharles of the Star
00:22:59.360 was there.
00:22:59.760 Christy Blatchford,
00:23:00.820 who's pretty good,
00:23:01.860 from Post Media was there.
00:23:03.140 Everyone was there
00:23:03.820 from Parliament Hill's
00:23:05.180 elite media.
00:23:06.540 This is just a small sample.
00:23:07.900 Later on in the press conference,
00:23:08.980 it was packed.
00:23:10.140 Packed.
00:23:10.640 There were three times
00:23:11.500 as many people as I have.
00:23:12.500 I should tell you
00:23:13.300 that every single person
00:23:14.380 in that room
00:23:15.020 in the Naval Mess Hall,
00:23:17.280 including the 80%
00:23:18.180 who voted for Trudeau
00:23:19.260 in 2015,
00:23:20.220 I can tell you
00:23:23.040 that every single one
00:23:25.380 of them
00:23:25.740 was on the side
00:23:26.740 of Mark Norman
00:23:27.360 and just as much
00:23:28.460 on the side
00:23:28.980 of his lawyer.
00:23:29.780 They revere that lawyer,
00:23:31.100 Marie Hennane.
00:23:31.640 She's smart and tough
00:23:32.800 and sort of cool
00:23:33.480 and she actually started
00:23:34.940 with the joke
00:23:35.420 that her team
00:23:35.980 was all female,
00:23:37.040 which Justin Trudeau
00:23:38.000 would have fired.
00:23:39.200 Ouch.
00:23:40.900 And no one in the room
00:23:41.720 blinked at that
00:23:42.160 because they know
00:23:42.660 it's true
00:23:43.080 because they all know
00:23:44.720 that Trudeau
00:23:45.280 is an imposter
00:23:46.900 on everything.
00:23:48.340 He's an imposter
00:23:49.160 on feminism
00:23:49.800 and aboriginal affairs,
00:23:50.920 of course,
00:23:51.420 but on his whole
00:23:52.320 Sunny Ways shtick,
00:23:54.680 he's so deeply corrupt
00:23:55.780 he's worse than anyone
00:23:57.100 they can recall.
00:23:57.920 Stephen Harper
00:23:58.400 never did anything
00:23:59.180 like this.
00:23:59.800 The opposite.
00:24:00.620 He's the one
00:24:01.040 who set up
00:24:01.720 this independent
00:24:02.660 prosecution service
00:24:03.860 that has twice
00:24:04.900 refused Trudeau
00:24:06.420 what he wants.
00:24:07.420 What I saw
00:24:08.100 in that room
00:24:08.760 at the Naval Mess
00:24:09.560 watching Mark Norman
00:24:10.960 and Marie Hennane
00:24:11.640 was disillusionment
00:24:14.420 in Trudeau.
00:24:15.360 No one
00:24:16.340 loves him anymore
00:24:18.140 or at least
00:24:18.780 is in love
00:24:19.740 with him.
00:24:20.040 No one
00:24:20.300 is inspired
00:24:20.940 by him.
00:24:21.640 No one
00:24:21.880 would say
00:24:22.160 he's cool.
00:24:23.880 I think
00:24:24.380 when Trudeau
00:24:24.940 went to India
00:24:25.660 and acted
00:24:26.260 like a jackass
00:24:27.460 he was starting
00:24:28.980 to make
00:24:29.260 his allies
00:24:29.860 cringe
00:24:30.760 but they were
00:24:32.040 still
00:24:32.280 look at that
00:24:32.600 oh my god
00:24:33.340 but they were
00:24:34.100 still his allies.
00:24:35.420 Now
00:24:35.780 I don't think so.
00:24:37.740 I think
00:24:38.000 most of them
00:24:39.460 will probably
00:24:39.920 still vote liberal
00:24:40.680 just because
00:24:41.800 they don't like
00:24:42.680 conservatives
00:24:43.160 like Andrew Scheer
00:24:43.880 but I think
00:24:44.480 the days
00:24:45.060 of the media party
00:24:45.960 slavishly parroting
00:24:47.640 the narrative
00:24:48.140 that Trudeau
00:24:48.860 is fresh
00:24:49.420 and new
00:24:50.160 and clean
00:24:50.880 and cool
00:24:51.640 and sunny
00:24:52.420 that felt
00:24:53.380 totally detonated
00:24:54.720 in that room
00:24:55.680 yesterday.
00:24:57.120 And not just
00:24:57.780 that room
00:24:58.140 look in the
00:24:58.780 by-election
00:24:59.260 in Nanaimo
00:24:59.900 BC
00:25:00.280 11%
00:25:01.380 for the liberals.
00:25:02.840 I think
00:25:03.660 people hate
00:25:04.800 Trudeau
00:25:06.200 actually.
00:25:07.360 I can guarantee
00:25:07.920 you there's not
00:25:08.620 a single
00:25:09.040 prosecutor
00:25:09.880 in Canada
00:25:10.920 who is a
00:25:11.620 Trudeau lover.
00:25:12.540 This is twice
00:25:13.200 he has come
00:25:14.020 to destroy
00:25:14.520 the honor
00:25:14.960 of their profession.
00:25:15.880 That prosecutor
00:25:16.760 I scrummed
00:25:17.340 on the street
00:25:17.720 she knows
00:25:18.280 who her enemy
00:25:18.780 is
00:25:19.120 and it's not
00:25:19.840 Stephen Harper
00:25:20.400 or Andrew Scheer.
00:25:22.400 Mark Norman
00:25:23.100 has a few more
00:25:23.980 moves left in him.
00:25:25.220 I think he's going
00:25:25.860 to tell his story.
00:25:26.680 He said as much.
00:25:27.780 I think he must
00:25:28.600 tell his story.
00:25:29.180 I think he has
00:25:29.800 also got to sue
00:25:31.460 for abuse of process
00:25:32.520 and abuse of office.
00:25:33.900 Smoke out all those
00:25:34.840 internal documents
00:25:35.700 that way.
00:25:36.400 The documents
00:25:36.860 that would have
00:25:37.240 come out at trial.
00:25:38.080 Put Michael Wernick
00:25:39.200 and Scott Bryson
00:25:40.180 and Gerald Butts
00:25:41.260 on the stand.
00:25:41.900 You bet.
00:25:42.440 Yeah, you bet.
00:25:43.500 Sue for,
00:25:44.240 oh, I don't know.
00:25:45.880 $10.5 million?
00:25:47.860 That's what
00:25:48.540 Omar Khadar
00:25:49.060 got from Trudeau.
00:25:50.520 Trudeau was willing
00:25:51.180 to put Mark Norman
00:25:52.260 in prison
00:25:53.180 for a crime
00:25:54.120 he did not commit.
00:25:57.360 That's got to be
00:25:58.200 worth $10.5 million.
00:26:00.180 The story isn't over.
00:26:02.120 In fact,
00:26:02.500 maybe it's just beginning.
00:26:04.560 Stay with us for more.
00:26:05.380 Today's decision
00:26:20.720 is a win for Canadians
00:26:22.320 and for future generations.
00:26:24.320 It cannot be free
00:26:26.920 to pollute in Canada.
00:26:29.520 This decision confirms
00:26:31.080 that putting a price
00:26:32.200 on carbon pollution
00:26:33.200 and returning the revenues
00:26:35.020 to Canadians
00:26:35.920 through the Climate Action
00:26:37.540 Incentive Rebate
00:26:38.540 is not only constitutional,
00:26:41.680 it is an effective
00:26:42.740 and essential part
00:26:45.040 of any serious response
00:26:47.300 to the global challenge
00:26:49.240 of climate change.
00:26:51.320 The Court also recognized,
00:26:53.700 as to most Canadians,
00:26:56.000 that climate change
00:26:56.820 is man-made
00:26:57.700 and one of the great
00:26:59.880 existential issues
00:27:01.260 of our time.
00:27:04.020 But is that true?
00:27:06.120 That's Catherine McKenna
00:27:07.440 talking about
00:27:08.580 a 3-2 decision
00:27:10.220 at the Saskatchewan Court
00:27:12.140 about the constitutionality
00:27:14.040 of her proposed
00:27:15.040 national carbon tax.
00:27:16.980 Well, joining us now
00:27:17.600 via Skype
00:27:18.100 is a man
00:27:18.560 who follows this file
00:27:20.040 closer than most
00:27:20.880 and in fact
00:27:21.620 was in Ontario
00:27:22.620 as the matter
00:27:23.620 was duked out
00:27:24.580 in that courtroom too.
00:27:26.280 And I'm talking about
00:27:27.000 our friend,
00:27:27.900 Andrew Lawton.
00:27:28.580 Andrew, great to see you again.
00:27:30.380 Hey, great to be with you, Ezra.
00:27:31.520 Thank you.
00:27:32.140 Well, I mean,
00:27:33.100 I have not read
00:27:34.100 the dense details
00:27:35.660 of the legal decision
00:27:37.400 in Saskatchewan,
00:27:38.580 but the summary I read
00:27:40.200 said it wasn't really
00:27:41.380 the great victory
00:27:42.440 Catherine McKenna
00:27:43.700 makes it out to be.
00:27:44.980 And in fact,
00:27:45.620 there were certain arguments
00:27:47.040 by the federal government
00:27:47.940 that were rejected
00:27:48.740 by all five
00:27:50.200 out of five judges.
00:27:51.240 I know you've been paying
00:27:52.700 very close attention to this.
00:27:53.960 What's your takeaway
00:27:55.200 from A,
00:27:56.460 the Saskatchewan court ruling
00:27:57.940 and B,
00:27:58.600 Catherine McKenna's
00:27:59.720 response to it?
00:28:01.140 Yeah, so I actually
00:28:02.320 did read the Saskatchewan
00:28:03.720 court ruling
00:28:04.360 and I also listened
00:28:05.220 to Catherine McKenna
00:28:06.680 and both are pretty dense
00:28:08.640 as a matter of fact.
00:28:09.800 And when Catherine McKenna
00:28:11.320 speaks out
00:28:12.100 and says that
00:28:13.240 the court ruled
00:28:14.220 that a carbon tax
00:28:16.540 is an effective means
00:28:17.900 to combat climate change,
00:28:19.320 that proves that she
00:28:20.600 didn't even read
00:28:21.900 to page two
00:28:22.920 of the decision.
00:28:24.140 And if I may,
00:28:24.980 I'd like to read
00:28:25.900 paragraph six
00:28:27.140 from page two
00:28:28.480 of the decision,
00:28:29.200 which says
00:28:29.960 the issue is not
00:28:31.780 whether greenhouse gas pricing
00:28:33.620 should or should not
00:28:35.120 be adopted
00:28:35.880 or whether the act
00:28:37.100 is effective or fair.
00:28:39.180 So she says
00:28:40.000 that the effectiveness
00:28:41.200 of this carbon tax
00:28:43.260 has been vindicated
00:28:44.200 by the court
00:28:44.880 when the court said
00:28:46.040 that's not even our problem.
00:28:47.840 We aren't even looking
00:28:48.900 at whether it's effective.
00:28:50.520 And this proves
00:28:51.620 that the government
00:28:52.200 is trying to find
00:28:53.780 some political support
00:28:55.100 from the court
00:28:55.800 instead of dealing
00:28:57.040 with the actual matters
00:28:58.440 at hand in these cases,
00:28:59.620 which was strictly
00:29:00.880 the constitutionality.
00:29:02.360 Now, look,
00:29:03.100 the federal government
00:29:03.860 did win
00:29:04.540 on the constitutionality side,
00:29:06.640 but it was not given
00:29:07.780 the green light
00:29:09.040 to proceed
00:29:10.000 as a matter of policy
00:29:11.900 like Catherine McKenna
00:29:12.860 is trying to pretend.
00:29:14.020 Yeah.
00:29:14.400 I mean,
00:29:15.320 I just knew
00:29:16.760 when she said
00:29:17.320 the court says
00:29:18.200 this is an existential challenge
00:29:19.520 to Canada,
00:29:20.820 I thought
00:29:21.280 that can't be right.
00:29:23.180 That's not right.
00:29:24.120 And she's counting
00:29:24.920 on the fact
00:29:25.380 that 99.999%
00:29:27.160 of Canadians
00:29:27.640 will not read
00:29:28.660 an incredibly dense
00:29:29.800 judicial ruling
00:29:30.960 with a very lengthy dissent.
00:29:33.180 In fact,
00:29:33.500 I think the dissent
00:29:34.260 is actually longer
00:29:35.160 in terms of page count
00:29:36.780 than the main ruling.
00:29:38.700 Well,
00:29:39.280 this is obviously
00:29:40.600 going to go
00:29:41.060 all the way up
00:29:41.580 to the Supreme Court
00:29:42.380 of Canada.
00:29:44.160 The Supreme Court
00:29:45.160 of Canada
00:29:45.700 has a troubling tradition
00:29:47.880 in my view
00:29:48.620 of being legislators
00:29:50.640 from the bench.
00:29:52.820 And the biggest policy changes
00:29:55.800 in recent Canadian history
00:29:57.480 I think have come
00:29:58.680 from that court.
00:29:59.560 And I'm nervous
00:30:00.480 that that court
00:30:01.140 will be activist
00:30:02.060 and will just go along
00:30:03.860 with this
00:30:04.240 because it's politically
00:30:05.060 fashionable.
00:30:06.340 That's just speculation
00:30:07.580 on my part.
00:30:09.900 But who knows?
00:30:10.880 Maybe the pendulum
00:30:11.480 is swinging back.
00:30:12.780 If you had to look ahead
00:30:13.960 at the Supreme Court
00:30:15.100 of Canada
00:30:15.540 in the case on this,
00:30:16.320 what do you think
00:30:17.900 they would,
00:30:18.440 how do you think
00:30:18.880 they would approach it?
00:30:20.880 I have concerns
00:30:22.140 about that,
00:30:22.840 quite frankly.
00:30:23.660 You know,
00:30:23.880 I look at a comment
00:30:25.580 made by former
00:30:26.780 Chief Justice
00:30:27.500 Beverly McLaughlin
00:30:28.600 who's no longer
00:30:29.240 on the court
00:30:29.980 but I fear
00:30:31.040 the sentiment
00:30:31.640 is still there.
00:30:32.720 And she had said
00:30:33.420 in an interview
00:30:34.000 when describing her job
00:30:35.440 that my job
00:30:36.960 is to take a step back
00:30:38.500 and look at the facts
00:30:39.660 and decide
00:30:40.340 what's best
00:30:41.140 for Canadian society
00:30:42.820 and then make
00:30:44.620 a decision about that.
00:30:46.060 So the Supreme Court
00:30:46.960 of Canada
00:30:47.560 has taken it
00:30:48.900 as somewhat
00:30:49.300 of a point of pride
00:30:50.300 that its job
00:30:51.080 is to make
00:30:51.720 societal determinations
00:30:53.480 rather than
00:30:54.600 strict constitutional
00:30:56.120 legal analyses.
00:30:57.880 And that's an issue
00:30:58.540 that Canadians
00:30:59.100 have to be very wary of.
00:31:00.960 And it's not about
00:31:01.660 partisanship
00:31:02.340 because six of the nine
00:31:03.780 justices on the Supreme Court
00:31:05.240 were appointed
00:31:06.160 by Stephen Harper
00:31:07.120 yet key conservative
00:31:09.140 policies have still
00:31:10.200 been overturned
00:31:11.040 and liberal policies
00:31:12.020 have been upheld
00:31:13.640 routinely over
00:31:14.720 the past several years.
00:31:16.400 So I'm not optimistic
00:31:17.620 about the Supreme Court
00:31:18.900 on the best of times
00:31:19.940 which is why
00:31:21.020 the lower court rulings
00:31:22.440 I do think
00:31:23.480 are good in the way
00:31:24.480 they set the stage.
00:31:25.680 And the Ontario case
00:31:27.200 does not yet
00:31:28.080 have a decision.
00:31:29.160 The Alberta case
00:31:30.120 that Jason Kenney
00:31:30.960 has promised to file
00:31:32.000 has not yet been filed.
00:31:34.140 And the Saskatchewan case
00:31:35.760 we see in the decision
00:31:37.280 a little bit
00:31:37.900 about how the court
00:31:38.720 tends to view
00:31:39.760 these things.
00:31:40.320 And despite the fact
00:31:41.540 that the anti-carbon tax
00:31:43.320 side lost
00:31:44.200 in a technical sense
00:31:45.380 what was noteworthy
00:31:46.800 is how strong
00:31:47.680 the dissent was.
00:31:49.540 The judges who dissented
00:31:50.920 the two of the five
00:31:51.920 didn't just find
00:31:53.280 that the
00:31:53.780 Greenhouse Gas Pollution
00:31:55.420 Pricing Act
00:31:56.160 was unconstitutional
00:31:57.480 they found it was
00:31:58.720 wholly unconstitutional.
00:32:01.000 And that is a
00:32:01.820 very significant
00:32:03.280 determination
00:32:03.980 when they laid out
00:32:05.140 their rationale
00:32:05.740 because a lot of
00:32:06.880 the arguments
00:32:07.280 that they cited
00:32:07.960 were arguments
00:32:08.840 that were very
00:32:09.560 fervently fought
00:32:10.500 for by the
00:32:11.460 Ontario government
00:32:12.280 in that province's
00:32:13.420 case just a few
00:32:14.140 weeks ago.
00:32:15.600 Yeah you know
00:32:16.100 it's incredible
00:32:18.080 I've filled up
00:32:18.640 my car with gas
00:32:19.300 twice in the last
00:32:19.940 two days
00:32:20.280 because I was
00:32:20.580 driving to
00:32:21.120 Ottawa
00:32:22.860 and back
00:32:23.320 and a hundred
00:32:24.660 dollars won't
00:32:25.560 even fill up
00:32:26.240 my tank.
00:32:27.120 I've got to put
00:32:27.540 in more than
00:32:27.860 a hundred bucks
00:32:28.760 and that is
00:32:29.740 so much money
00:32:30.740 it's staggering
00:32:31.440 but
00:32:31.720 and I'm not
00:32:34.820 poor
00:32:35.320 and I'm not rich
00:32:36.420 but I'm not poor
00:32:37.280 if you are
00:32:38.520 a working person
00:32:39.700 who needs to
00:32:41.160 drive for your
00:32:41.740 work or if you
00:32:42.500 are low income
00:32:43.580 you can't drive
00:32:45.060 anymore and that's
00:32:45.700 by design.
00:32:46.580 Justin Trudeau
00:32:47.260 and Catherine
00:32:47.660 McKenna said
00:32:48.140 make better
00:32:48.960 choices.
00:32:51.140 But the other
00:32:52.060 side of that
00:32:52.640 is Ian
00:32:53.540 Haneman Singh
00:32:54.320 a CBC
00:32:55.020 commentator
00:32:57.240 tweeted the
00:32:58.260 other day
00:32:58.860 that oh it's
00:32:59.840 no big deal
00:33:00.500 and he likes
00:33:01.060 to fill up
00:33:01.540 with premium
00:33:02.060 gas and I
00:33:02.720 thought and
00:33:03.300 here's why I
00:33:03.960 mention this
00:33:04.460 because the
00:33:06.120 Supreme Court
00:33:06.720 justices are
00:33:08.340 not just one
00:33:09.760 percenters
00:33:10.260 they're one
00:33:10.780 tenth of one
00:33:11.380 percenters
00:33:11.800 they're so
00:33:12.580 wealthy
00:33:13.120 they have so
00:33:14.260 many perks
00:33:14.820 they make as
00:33:15.780 much money as
00:33:16.280 the Prime
00:33:16.640 Minister
00:33:16.960 they're so
00:33:18.340 elite
00:33:18.880 that I'm
00:33:20.040 sure they
00:33:20.660 think
00:33:21.260 paying a
00:33:22.760 buck 75
00:33:23.620 a buck 90
00:33:24.620 for premium
00:33:25.160 gas is fine
00:33:26.480 and that's
00:33:26.880 they're doing
00:33:27.420 their part
00:33:27.840 for the world
00:33:28.260 and like you
00:33:28.660 say
00:33:28.980 Beverly
00:33:29.580 McLaughlin
00:33:30.460 sitting back
00:33:31.400 like she's
00:33:31.880 some high
00:33:32.400 priest saying
00:33:32.960 what's best
00:33:33.580 for society
00:33:34.760 and I'm
00:33:35.560 worried
00:33:36.020 that they
00:33:37.940 are so
00:33:38.420 out of touch
00:33:39.020 with real
00:33:39.540 life in this
00:33:40.120 country
00:33:40.500 that they'll
00:33:41.200 be swayed
00:33:41.920 by this
00:33:42.480 green BS
00:33:43.980 that we hear
00:33:44.380 from Catherine
00:33:44.880 McKenna
00:33:45.220 but if they
00:33:47.020 uphold the
00:33:47.840 constitutionality
00:33:48.860 of this tax
00:33:49.640 here's my
00:33:51.000 hope Andrew
00:33:51.840 and I wouldn't
00:33:52.240 mind your
00:33:52.540 thoughts on
00:33:52.920 this
00:33:53.220 is that
00:33:53.980 perhaps it
00:33:54.680 sparks
00:33:55.420 the end
00:33:57.060 of the
00:33:58.020 unfortunate
00:33:59.120 Canadian
00:34:00.000 deference
00:34:00.720 to our
00:34:01.180 courts
00:34:01.420 there's
00:34:01.700 something
00:34:01.980 about
00:34:02.300 Canadians
00:34:02.860 that when
00:34:03.600 a court
00:34:03.940 says
00:34:04.220 something
00:34:04.480 we say
00:34:04.760 oh wow
00:34:05.740 that's the
00:34:07.240 end of
00:34:07.540 that
00:34:07.840 we can't
00:34:08.600 question
00:34:08.980 it
00:34:09.100 whereas in
00:34:09.380 the
00:34:09.460 United
00:34:09.700 States
00:34:10.160 they hate
00:34:11.120 their judges
00:34:11.660 just as much
00:34:12.260 as they hate
00:34:12.660 the other branches
00:34:13.360 of government
00:34:13.860 and they admit
00:34:14.840 it's partisan
00:34:15.340 you should see
00:34:15.900 the confirmation
00:34:16.340 hearings down
00:34:17.020 there
00:34:17.220 half the people
00:34:18.500 hate half
00:34:19.060 the judges
00:34:19.520 and the other
00:34:19.940 half hate
00:34:20.260 the other half
00:34:20.860 and I think
00:34:22.480 if this
00:34:23.400 elitist
00:34:24.700 court
00:34:25.260 upholds an
00:34:26.040 elitist
00:34:26.440 carbon tax
00:34:27.260 maybe that'll
00:34:28.200 break Canadians
00:34:28.960 out of our
00:34:29.400 trance that we're
00:34:29.980 so submissive
00:34:30.720 to the courts
00:34:31.340 well I think
00:34:33.020 submissive is a
00:34:33.900 part of it
00:34:34.420 but also
00:34:34.960 indifferent
00:34:35.560 I'm guessing
00:34:36.500 that most
00:34:37.120 Canadians
00:34:37.680 could tell you
00:34:38.800 all about
00:34:39.540 Ruth Bader
00:34:40.240 Ginsburg
00:34:40.640 and Brett
00:34:41.360 Kavanaugh
00:34:42.020 and all of
00:34:42.500 these other
00:34:42.900 American justices
00:34:43.920 but I would
00:34:44.780 actually challenge
00:34:46.380 people not
00:34:47.200 to their face
00:34:48.080 in a way that
00:34:48.600 embarrasses them
00:34:49.320 but to name
00:34:50.200 one or two
00:34:50.800 supreme court
00:34:51.420 justices
00:34:51.980 especially now
00:34:52.540 that Beverly
00:34:52.900 McLaughlin's
00:34:53.580 retired
00:34:53.940 I mean how
00:34:54.660 many people
00:34:55.040 can name the
00:34:55.560 chief justice
00:34:56.200 or any one
00:34:56.800 of the
00:34:57.140 queen a judges
00:34:58.020 or how many
00:34:58.820 people can say
00:34:59.440 what a queen
00:34:59.920 a judge is
00:35:00.680 or spell
00:35:01.220 spell queen
00:35:01.920 a for that
00:35:02.440 matter
00:35:02.760 Canadians do
00:35:04.140 not give this
00:35:04.960 body the
00:35:05.560 attention it
00:35:06.160 deserves
00:35:06.580 which is why
00:35:07.320 after 10
00:35:07.920 years of a
00:35:08.400 conservative
00:35:08.740 government
00:35:09.240 conservatives
00:35:10.620 are still
00:35:11.140 losing
00:35:11.640 because we
00:35:12.280 have not
00:35:12.600 paid attention
00:35:13.320 to this
00:35:14.100 institution
00:35:14.620 that does
00:35:15.220 as you
00:35:15.560 know
00:35:15.760 tend to
00:35:16.220 legislate
00:35:17.060 and you
00:35:17.540 know
00:35:17.620 the Ontario
00:35:18.180 case
00:35:19.160 back in
00:35:19.980 April
00:35:20.300 was very
00:35:20.900 illuminating
00:35:21.580 because
00:35:21.920 one of the
00:35:22.800 justices
00:35:23.280 took a very
00:35:24.000 strictly
00:35:24.440 constitutional
00:35:25.040 view of
00:35:25.700 these things
00:35:26.240 and was very
00:35:27.200 I'd say
00:35:27.560 aggressive
00:35:28.020 in a good
00:35:28.620 way at
00:35:29.000 putting it
00:35:29.400 to the
00:35:29.640 federal
00:35:29.880 government's
00:35:30.480 lawyer
00:35:30.700 and saying
00:35:31.120 look
00:35:31.340 you're
00:35:32.060 saying
00:35:32.360 this
00:35:32.560 this
00:35:32.760 this
00:35:32.980 this
00:35:33.000 how
00:35:33.260 are you
00:35:33.580 not
00:35:33.820 asking
00:35:34.240 the
00:35:34.840 court
00:35:35.200 to let
00:35:35.640 the
00:35:35.800 federal
00:35:36.060 government
00:35:36.500 open the
00:35:37.040 floodgates
00:35:37.660 to trample
00:35:38.260 on provincial
00:35:38.760 jurisdiction
00:35:39.340 and her
00:35:40.180 answer
00:35:40.600 was well
00:35:41.700 the federal
00:35:42.140 government
00:35:42.560 will put
00:35:43.000 legislation
00:35:43.540 forward
00:35:43.960 that limits
00:35:44.500 its own
00:35:44.860 power
00:35:45.220 in the
00:35:45.500 future
00:35:45.840 and there
00:35:47.320 was a
00:35:47.720 disbelief
00:35:48.460 in the
00:35:48.740 courtroom
00:35:49.040 and from
00:35:49.700 the judge
00:35:50.360 Justice
00:35:50.880 Huscroft
00:35:51.760 at that
00:35:52.080 point
00:35:52.380 to that
00:35:53.000 answer
00:35:53.400 that the
00:35:53.880 federal
00:35:54.120 government
00:35:54.500 wants to
00:35:54.960 basically
00:35:55.380 be able
00:35:55.820 to do
00:35:56.060 what Nancy
00:35:56.480 Pelosi
00:35:56.900 had talked
00:35:57.380 about
00:35:57.720 a few
00:35:58.340 years
00:35:58.560 back
00:35:58.900 if you
00:35:59.140 have to
00:35:59.440 pass the
00:35:59.900 bill to
00:36:00.220 find out
00:36:00.600 what's in
00:36:00.960 it
00:36:01.060 they want
00:36:01.380 to just
00:36:01.680 you know
00:36:02.120 give the
00:36:02.500 government
00:36:02.760 the right
00:36:03.160 to do
00:36:03.440 what it
00:36:03.640 wants
00:36:03.920 and then
00:36:04.220 it will
00:36:04.620 figure out
00:36:05.320 a way
00:36:05.540 to make
00:36:05.860 it
00:36:06.060 constitutional
00:36:06.720 moving
00:36:07.320 forward
00:36:07.700 which is
00:36:08.300 not how
00:36:08.660 the law
00:36:09.020 is supposed
00:36:09.420 to work
00:36:09.860 yeah
00:36:10.280 you know
00:36:11.180 it's funny
00:36:11.940 the other
00:36:12.960 day I saw
00:36:13.480 a startling
00:36:14.020 piece of
00:36:14.580 news
00:36:14.880 that a
00:36:15.760 Canadian
00:36:16.320 Supreme Court
00:36:17.060 judge
00:36:17.500 had literally
00:36:19.000 gone missing
00:36:20.140 and no one
00:36:22.040 knew where
00:36:22.980 he was
00:36:23.380 he was later
00:36:23.940 found
00:36:24.500 like days
00:36:25.720 later
00:36:26.080 found in
00:36:26.960 the hospital
00:36:27.560 now that's
00:36:28.340 a personal
00:36:28.940 challenge
00:36:29.780 and I'm not
00:36:30.520 making light
00:36:31.100 of it
00:36:31.280 and I hope
00:36:31.660 everything is
00:36:32.440 fine
00:36:32.740 but the idea
00:36:34.040 that a Supreme
00:36:34.820 Court judge
00:36:35.320 could go
00:36:35.700 missing
00:36:36.060 and that's
00:36:36.760 not for
00:36:37.080 in the
00:36:37.540 states
00:36:37.780 that would
00:36:38.040 be insane
00:36:39.040 front page
00:36:39.680 news
00:36:40.000 that goes
00:36:41.000 to your
00:36:41.280 point
00:36:41.540 about how
00:36:41.980 we
00:36:42.260 the judiciary
00:36:44.520 is like a
00:36:44.960 black box
00:36:45.540 and we don't
00:36:45.920 look into it
00:36:46.460 I just think
00:36:47.100 we need to
00:36:48.600 bring some
00:36:49.060 political
00:36:49.420 accountability
00:36:50.080 to it
00:36:50.660 now you
00:36:51.260 you just
00:36:52.060 ended with
00:36:52.400 an anecdote
00:36:52.840 that there
00:36:53.720 was a judge
00:36:54.280 asking good
00:36:54.800 questions in
00:36:55.400 Ontario
00:36:55.720 and that's
00:36:56.040 good
00:36:56.200 and I'm
00:36:56.440 not saying
00:36:56.820 throw out
00:36:57.580 all the
00:36:57.880 judges
00:36:58.160 but I
00:36:58.540 think
00:36:58.860 that more
00:36:59.820 and more
00:37:00.220 as there's
00:37:00.840 a disconnect
00:37:01.560 between the
00:37:02.040 elites
00:37:02.320 and the
00:37:02.980 people
00:37:03.320 we have
00:37:04.040 to scrutinize
00:37:04.780 that last
00:37:05.300 branch of
00:37:05.680 government
00:37:05.940 that is the
00:37:06.400 most elite
00:37:06.940 and the
00:37:07.620 least accountable
00:37:08.300 any
00:37:08.800 fascinating
00:37:09.660 stuff and
00:37:10.120 I really
00:37:10.400 appreciate you
00:37:10.980 covering it
00:37:11.580 and I
00:37:12.160 appreciate you
00:37:12.860 slogging through
00:37:13.920 the legal
00:37:14.460 minutiae of
00:37:16.480 it but let me
00:37:16.940 switch gears a bit
00:37:17.880 to something
00:37:18.360 completely different
00:37:19.180 next week
00:37:21.140 you are one
00:37:22.560 of the real
00:37:24.120 reporters that
00:37:25.140 is going to
00:37:26.120 London to
00:37:27.240 cover Tommy
00:37:28.280 Robinson's
00:37:29.560 retrial for
00:37:30.740 contempt of
00:37:31.340 court
00:37:31.580 give me one
00:37:32.500 minute on
00:37:32.960 that I'm
00:37:33.600 glad you're
00:37:34.020 coming back
00:37:34.440 thank you
00:37:35.160 give me some
00:37:36.260 reflections on
00:37:36.940 what you did
00:37:38.000 last time and
00:37:38.700 what you hope to
00:37:39.260 do this time and
00:37:39.900 why you think
00:37:40.380 it's important to
00:37:41.400 fly halfway across
00:37:42.200 the world
00:37:42.580 well look when I
00:37:44.440 went last time
00:37:45.240 and I'm very
00:37:45.660 grateful to your
00:37:47.020 viewers and
00:37:47.720 donors for
00:37:48.280 helping make
00:37:48.760 that happen
00:37:49.320 it was really
00:37:50.520 because of the
00:37:51.300 judicial accountability
00:37:52.240 that we were
00:37:52.920 talking about
00:37:53.580 I mean the
00:37:53.940 freedom of
00:37:54.940 Tommy Robinson
00:37:55.720 who may be a
00:37:56.460 raconteur but
00:37:57.180 he still was
00:37:57.760 approaching this
00:37:58.480 case of the
00:37:59.840 sex grooming
00:38:00.820 gangs from a
00:38:01.800 place of
00:38:02.680 journalistic
00:38:03.240 inquiry and
00:38:04.560 his ability to
00:38:05.600 do that without
00:38:06.320 the court slamming
00:38:07.460 the brakes on it
00:38:08.100 and saying you
00:38:09.100 can't do that
00:38:09.740 and I think that
00:38:10.500 story is still
00:38:11.420 alive and well
00:38:12.140 this will be the
00:38:12.740 third time that
00:38:14.060 he's facing a
00:38:15.080 court date to
00:38:16.040 deal with this
00:38:17.120 allegation of
00:38:18.080 contempt of
00:38:18.680 court there was
00:38:19.240 the time they
00:38:19.700 threw him in
00:38:20.120 jail the time
00:38:20.760 in October where
00:38:21.600 they avoided
00:38:23.380 actually having
00:38:24.180 the hearing and
00:38:24.840 then this one
00:38:25.520 now where they'll
00:38:26.780 redo the thing
00:38:27.640 but the other
00:38:28.640 aspect of it is
00:38:29.980 the media's biased
00:38:31.640 reporting of it
00:38:32.880 because my
00:38:33.600 position on this
00:38:34.320 has always been
00:38:34.900 that I'm not a
00:38:35.680 cheerleader of
00:38:36.380 Tommy I'm a
00:38:36.960 cheerleader of
00:38:37.540 due process and
00:38:38.900 I think that
00:38:39.400 there's a lot of
00:38:40.040 good and I think
00:38:40.580 there's a lot of
00:38:41.280 stuff that I've
00:38:42.120 asked questions
00:38:42.700 about when it
00:38:43.680 comes to Tommy
00:38:44.280 Robinson and you
00:38:45.320 can only get those
00:38:46.460 answers when you're
00:38:47.700 prepared to do the
00:38:48.700 story and do it
00:38:49.720 honestly and when I
00:38:50.560 was in London in
00:38:51.260 October I found
00:38:52.600 that the media in
00:38:53.820 Britain was not
00:38:55.180 only unwilling to
00:38:56.300 cover it honestly
00:38:57.080 but willing to
00:38:58.420 deceptively lie
00:39:00.520 about Tommy and
00:39:02.180 about the case and
00:39:03.060 I think that it's
00:39:04.600 unfortunate for the
00:39:05.720 people in the UK
00:39:06.500 that you have to
00:39:07.360 import someone from
00:39:08.200 Canada to cover the
00:39:09.420 facts but if that's
00:39:10.460 the way things are I'm
00:39:11.200 happy to go there.
00:39:12.260 Yeah well we're
00:39:12.740 thrilled that you're
00:39:13.260 coming back and you
00:39:14.560 bring that independence
00:39:15.620 inside and that's the
00:39:16.220 thing with you and
00:39:17.640 Cassandra Fairbanks of
00:39:18.640 Gateway Pundit and
00:39:19.560 Pardes Saleh formerly
00:39:20.700 of Mediaite and we've
00:39:22.980 got Jordan James from
00:39:26.840 Politicalite Story we've
00:39:28.800 got Avi Yamini from
00:39:30.120 Australia I'm just trying
00:39:30.900 to list I think and
00:39:32.080 we're bringing two
00:39:32.640 cameramen I think our
00:39:33.620 total crew is nine plus
00:39:37.560 me and I'm thrilled
00:39:39.820 because and we're not
00:39:42.860 reviewing oh and
00:39:43.700 Jessica Sviacinowski
00:39:44.620 from the rebel so
00:39:46.000 we're having a whole
00:39:47.300 cohort of people and
00:39:48.240 other than Jessica who
00:39:49.060 works for the rebel
00:39:49.640 everyone else is
00:39:50.860 independent I don't
00:39:51.740 review what you say
00:39:52.880 before you publish it
00:39:53.780 I don't review what
00:39:54.760 Cassandra Fairbanks or
00:39:55.860 Pardes Saleh do because
00:39:57.120 I just know you're fair
00:39:59.460 enough that you will
00:40:00.920 call it like you see it
00:40:02.000 and that is miles better
00:40:03.500 than any of the British
00:40:04.540 media is doing I don't
00:40:05.740 care what you say as
00:40:06.440 long as you say something
00:40:07.180 because I know you're
00:40:07.800 going to be more honest
00:40:08.560 than these British media
00:40:10.360 party types I'm thrilled
00:40:12.060 you're coming thank you
00:40:12.820 for doing that well
00:40:15.120 thank you I'm looking
00:40:15.840 forward to it all right
00:40:17.260 well folks if you want
00:40:18.620 to learn more about our
00:40:19.800 program to bring nine
00:40:21.120 journalists to London to
00:40:22.480 help cover Tommy's trial
00:40:23.780 and like I say they're
00:40:24.760 independent I have no
00:40:26.140 input in what Andrew
00:40:27.680 Lawton or the other
00:40:28.380 journalists say go to
00:40:29.860 real reporters dot UK and
00:40:32.040 you can help us crowdfund
00:40:33.280 the flights economy class
00:40:35.000 airfare three star or less
00:40:36.920 hotels so it's not a
00:40:38.380 luxury trip I'll tell you
00:40:39.360 that but we're getting
00:40:40.520 these journalists to
00:40:41.320 London for Tommy's trial
00:40:42.380 on May 14th I'll be
00:40:43.880 there too and you can
00:40:44.800 help us at real
00:40:45.380 reporters dot UK all
00:40:46.860 right Andrew we'll we'll
00:40:47.900 see you in London have
00:40:49.140 a safe journey remember
00:40:50.200 your passport and I
00:40:52.100 will do our best to
00:40:52.860 cover freedom of speech
00:40:53.760 over there too absolutely
00:40:55.640 thanks Ezra all right
00:40:56.560 take care my friend well
00:40:58.000 there you have it stay
00:40:58.800 with us more ahead on
00:40:59.940 the rebel
00:41:00.200 hey welcome back on my
00:41:12.520 monologue about Greta
00:41:13.440 Thunberg and brainwashing
00:41:14.840 kids to panic about global
00:41:16.520 warming Bruce writes I
00:41:18.780 totally think that this is
00:41:19.880 child abuse it's just like
00:41:21.340 how Palestinian children
00:41:22.260 are taught to hate Jews
00:41:23.480 you are exactly right and I
00:41:25.420 was thinking of that in my
00:41:26.420 mind I didn't write that
00:41:27.300 because of course teaching
00:41:28.960 kids to blow themselves up
00:41:30.420 as suicide bombers is so
00:41:31.660 many degrees crazier than
00:41:34.380 just to be death cult climate
00:41:36.200 panickers but it is the
00:41:38.520 same thing why don't you
00:41:39.680 let kids be kids how about
00:41:41.860 don't scare the hell out of
00:41:43.820 them a kid believes you when
00:41:45.460 you say we've got 11 years
00:41:46.920 left to live a kid would
00:41:48.260 believe a grown-up how about
00:41:49.660 don't tell them that John
00:41:52.340 writes I wish the best for
00:41:54.220 Greta and hope she can free
00:41:55.420 herself from her parents
00:41:56.740 manipulations yeah wouldn't
00:42:01.000 that be great although I
00:42:02.140 don't see how she possibly
00:42:03.240 could every single force in
00:42:04.980 her life is emphasizing and
00:42:07.100 deepening and encouraging
00:42:08.240 this bad path she's on
00:42:09.580 Stephen writes the point is
00:42:13.360 power train the young to
00:42:15.320 accept the liberal way then
00:42:16.540 you have hundreds of
00:42:17.240 thousands of young adults
00:42:18.300 trained in liberal ideology
00:42:19.860 and they will vote liberal
00:42:20.680 with no need to campaign yeah I
00:42:23.600 think we see this already you
00:42:24.500 know we have a series that we
00:42:26.160 do on our YouTube we call it
00:42:28.000 generation Trudeau and it's
00:42:29.600 just you know for the longest
00:42:30.940 time David Menzies would go
00:42:32.060 downtown and just talk to the
00:42:33.080 kids either on campus or
00:42:34.260 frankly coming out of the bars
00:42:35.420 and you know if you've taught
00:42:37.820 someone since kindergarten about
00:42:39.880 global warming and carbon
00:42:42.000 taxes even if they weren't
00:42:44.100 really paying attention in
00:42:45.060 school even if they're not
00:42:45.760 political at all by the time
00:42:47.600 they graduate they just repeat
00:42:48.960 that stuff and they don't even
00:42:50.460 think it's ideological it's
00:42:51.540 like saying yeah man don't
00:42:52.500 litter don't litter so pay a
00:42:54.840 carbon tax is as normal as of
00:42:56.260 course don't litter it's not
00:42:57.240 nice to litter of course pay
00:42:58.680 the carbon tax of course
00:42:59.360 global warming it's not even
00:43:00.680 political when you teach it
00:43:01.680 from when these kids are
00:43:04.040 children of tender years of
00:43:05.000 course they believe when
00:43:05.700 they're time to vote that's
00:43:07.100 the teachers unions for you
00:43:08.080 well that's our show for
00:43:10.400 today until tomorrow on
00:43:11.840 behalf of all of us here at
00:43:12.860 Rebel World Headquarters
00:43:13.620 good night keep fighting for
00:43:15.540 freedom
00:43:15.840 good night we'll be the