Rebel News Podcast - Trump gave a magnificent speech at the UN. How did Justin Trudeau do？

00:00:00.000 Tonight, the world's leaders gathered at the United Nations and Donald Trump gave a magnificent speech.

00:00:05.540 So how did Justin Trudeau do?

00:00:08.040 It's September 27th and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:16.560 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:20.380 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:24.080 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.

00:00:27.080 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.760 Donald Trump doesn't much like the United Nations. He never has.

00:00:41.000 It's globalist. He's an American nationalist. It's bureaucratic and wasteful. He's a man of action.

00:00:46.640 The only thing he likes about them is their real estate.

00:00:49.580 The UN is at a prime location in the heart of New York City.

00:00:52.300 Almost 20 years ago, Trump built a massive condominium complex, I think it's 70 stories tall, right across from the United Nations.

00:01:00.160 It's called Trump World Tower.

00:01:03.260 All the fancy diplomats stay there. It's right across the street, luxury building.

00:01:06.560 The UN building itself is a bit weird and it's a bit ugly and it sure does need a lot of renovations.

00:01:13.780 Of course, the UN being run by the UN, foreign diplomats from corrupt countries.

00:01:19.080 They say it'll cost $1.6 billion to renovate it.

00:01:24.380 Here's what Trump said to that.

00:01:25.960 Now, this is a statement he made to the media before he became president.

00:01:28.520 He said, I could do it for $500 million, what they're going to spend $1.6 billion for.

00:01:35.120 The only difference is my job would be better, says Trump.

00:01:38.400 I did the 90-story building opposite the United Nations for $360 million and it's brand new.

00:01:44.680 So how does it cost $1.6 billion to fix the building, he asked.

00:01:49.720 I think that sums up just about everything you need to know about Donald Trump and the UN.

00:01:52.840 But now that he's president, not just a developer, he talks about other things in the UN besides their real estate.

00:01:58.680 Here's a clip from his speech a couple days ago.

00:02:01.660 The United States is stronger, safer, and a richer country than it was when I assumed office less than two years ago.

00:02:12.240 We are standing up for America and for the American people.

00:02:18.120 And we are also standing up for the world.

00:02:22.840 This is great news for our citizens and for peace-loving people everywhere.

00:02:30.860 We believe that when nations respect the rights of their neighbors and defend the interests of their people,

00:02:38.180 they can better work together to secure the blessings of safety, prosperity, and peace.

00:02:43.800 One of the things about Trump is that he doesn't believe in global government.

00:02:47.460 He believes in international relations and international treaties,

00:02:50.640 but he believes they should be between individual countries or even groups of countries,

00:02:54.320 but not through some massive, opaque middleman like the UN or like the European Union has become.

00:03:01.060 And he's always thinking about Americans.

00:03:02.900 That's his center of gravity.

00:03:04.260 I keep thinking about this one line when he quit the UN global warming scheme.

00:03:08.080 Remember this?

00:03:08.580 I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris.

00:03:17.600 I love that line.

00:03:18.800 It's unthinkable that Justin Trudeau would ever say something so basic and patriotic as that.

00:03:24.260 Trump did a lot of business at the UN this week,

00:03:26.640 but it was mainly taking the opportunity to meet 101 with other world leaders who happened to be in town.

00:03:32.100 As in, Trump had specific deals to do, specific projects, and he did them because everyone was in New York.

00:03:38.240 Here's a little video clip the White House released, very short,

00:03:41.320 showing some of these bilateral meetings, as they're called.

00:04:02.100 Did you recognize those people?

00:04:14.840 There was the leader of South Korea.

00:04:16.580 Perhaps Donald Trump's greatest foreign policy success so far

00:04:19.480 is in reining North Korea in and putting pressure on China.

00:04:23.940 It's not completed yet, for sure,

00:04:25.840 but there are lots of little promising steps made so far,

00:04:28.520 including the fact that the North Korean propaganda no longer shows nuclear missiles.

00:04:33.420 I know that sounds small and irrelevant, but let me put it to you this way.

00:04:36.640 Decades after signing a supposed peace deal,

00:04:39.840 the Palestinian Liberation Organization still has terrorism and riot

00:04:43.520 in their primary propaganda documents in their schools.

00:04:47.600 So, anyways, that's America doing a big deal in the Korean Peninsula.

00:04:52.040 Imagine if that actually works out fully.

00:04:53.800 Imagine if peace comes there,

00:04:54.980 and then imagine those two countries strengthening normal ties to trade visits,

00:04:58.240 and one day of civil rights and democracy eventually come to the North.

00:05:01.400 That's historic stuff.

00:05:02.780 That's almost on the order of the fall of the Berlin Wall.

00:05:05.260 And look who else Trump had in that little highlight reel.

00:05:07.700 I don't know if you recognized him.

00:05:09.000 The president of Egypt.

00:05:11.000 It's an important country that's trying to fight against Islamism. 1.00

00:05:14.140 Barack Obama threw that country to the Muslim Brotherhood,

00:05:16.700 but they came back from the brink.

00:05:18.260 Trump likes their president, al-Sisi.

00:05:20.380 And then there was Emmanuel Macron, the president of France.

00:05:22.780 He's a real lefty.

00:05:23.620 I think he's really irritating.

00:05:25.380 But he's doing his best to keep a rapport with Trump.

00:05:28.240 Despite their many, many, many differences,

00:05:30.060 he shows Trump respect.

00:05:31.580 Trump shows him respect in return.

00:05:34.320 So, where are we Canadians?

00:05:36.780 Well, the U.S. trade representative,

00:05:39.080 that's their professional full-time trade negotiator,

00:05:41.600 he said it looks like Canada just won't be coming along to NAFTA.

00:05:45.060 Let me quote him.

00:05:45.620 He said,

00:05:45.840 The fact is,

00:05:47.180 Canada is not making concessions in areas where we think they're essential.

00:05:51.160 Lighthizer told the Concordia Summit in New York,

00:05:53.820 we're going to go ahead with Mexico.

00:05:55.020 He added,

00:05:55.660 If Canada comes along now,

00:05:56.900 that would be the best.

00:05:58.000 If Canada comes along later,

00:05:59.440 then that's what will happen.

00:06:01.880 I think that sounds accurate.

00:06:03.180 I mean,

00:06:03.440 he's got his deal with Mexico.

00:06:04.900 They worked tirelessly on it for six months.

00:06:07.180 I've told you before,

00:06:08.040 there were 55 meetings between the Mexican foreign minister and the Americans.

00:06:12.180 55 meetings.

00:06:13.120 I keep thinking about that many meetings.

00:06:15.620 You usually,

00:06:16.840 in life,

00:06:17.220 get married to someone after fewer meetings.

00:06:19.440 I just can't believe it.

00:06:20.600 55 meetings.

00:06:21.360 Meanwhile,

00:06:22.100 we were the jealous ex-boyfriend or something in that analogy.

00:06:26.160 I don't know what the analogy is.

00:06:27.600 But besides doing weird things like our foreign minister,

00:06:30.640 Chrystia Freeland, 0.88

00:06:31.260 wearing t-shirts about the negotiations

00:06:34.260 and going to anti-Trump rallies in Toronto that called Trump a tyrant,

00:06:37.840 we were busy sucking up to China of all places. 0.88

00:06:41.460 Jim Carr, 0.96

00:06:42.360 Trudeau's useless former energy minister, 0.94

00:06:44.560 is now our useless foreign trade minister. 0.93

00:06:47.120 He was asked if China is competing unfairly in trade in the World Trade Organization,

00:06:51.700 and he didn't dare say a bad word about China.

00:06:55.480 I don't know,

00:06:55.960 for fear of hurting their feelings or something.

00:06:57.860 So no weird anti-China rallies or anti-China t-shirts like we did for Trump.

00:07:03.880 We save that for our key ally,

00:07:05.960 don't we?

00:07:06.540 So besides playing footsie with China, 0.99

00:07:08.900 what have we been doing?

00:07:11.220 While the Mexicans and Americans were getting their deal, 0.99

00:07:13.960 getting married,

00:07:15.740 well, we've been working on this.

00:07:18.760 There's a tweet.

00:07:19.700 Let me read the text.

00:07:21.120 And go ahead and play the little video while I read the text.

00:07:24.720 This is the logo for Canada's campaign

00:07:26.960 to win a seat on the UN Security Council in 2021-22.

00:07:30.700 It was inspired by the colors of the 2030 agenda

00:07:33.720 and the UN's 17 Sustainable Development Goals.

00:07:37.240 These goals and values are at the heart of Canada's priorities.

00:07:41.160 Together.

00:07:41.580 Together.

00:07:43.680 So we were busy making a multicolored maple,

00:07:47.940 I believe.

00:07:49.440 So we were just sort of coloring and stuff.

00:07:53.100 I don't know.

00:07:53.540 We were coloring while the other kids were learning math.

00:07:56.340 We were coloring about sustainable development goals.

00:07:59.840 Why didn't we do an interpretive dance if that's what we're doing?

00:08:04.620 I mean, Mexico can get trade deals. 0.99

00:08:06.280 We'll work on the fun stuff.

00:08:08.840 That's real.

00:08:09.780 That is not a satirical parody site.

00:08:13.040 Now, we already have a flag.

00:08:14.620 It's already in liberal colors.

00:08:16.160 It's a pretty simple flag, pretty recognizable.

00:08:18.040 Everyone knows what our flag means.

00:08:19.960 Could you imagine another country that is spending time doodling and coloring its flag

00:08:24.600 instead of, you know, doing trade negotiations in a trade negotiation?

00:08:30.340 And there was much mockery of this new maple leaf on Twitter.

00:08:33.700 And so the liberal government doubled down.

00:08:35.040 Now, let me read to you from Louise Blay, whose biographer describes her as

00:08:39.560 Ambassador and Deputy Permanent Representative of Canada to the United Nations.

00:08:44.360 Let me just read from what she said.

00:08:46.060 She said,

00:08:47.900 Our race for the UN Security Council is one of the most competitive in recent history.

00:08:52.400 We gave this logo a great deal of thought.

00:08:54.540 It took over six months of creative discussion.

00:08:56.940 We wanted it to reflect our aspiration and be forward-looking.

00:09:00.520 And Blanchard Canada kept challenging us to get it right.

00:09:05.040 Okay, so nothing about NAFTA, nothing about anything substantive.

00:09:10.320 I mean, fair enough, I guess.

00:09:11.680 This is at the UN, not the NAFTA negotiations.

00:09:14.480 The UN Security Council, as you may know, has five permanent members.

00:09:19.460 The United States, Russia, the UK, France, and China.

00:09:22.840 And other countries just rotate through and are voted in for two-year terms.

00:09:26.560 It really doesn't mean much.

00:09:27.720 It's just symbolic.

00:09:28.540 It's a vanity project for diplomats.

00:09:30.640 Those five permanent members of the Security Council, they each have a veto, by the way.

00:09:35.080 Any of them can simply stop anything they don't like.

00:09:38.460 And, of course, even if they didn't have a veto, this is just a talk shop.

00:09:42.680 I mean, these are the countries in the world with the serious militaries, the serious foreign policy.

00:09:46.820 They would do what they want anyways.

00:09:49.200 Now, here's a list of the junior members elected for two-year terms.

00:09:53.460 As you can see, Kazakhstan, Equatorial Guinea, Côte d'Ivoire.

00:10:02.520 Without cheating, without Googling, could you find Equatorial Guinea on a map?

00:10:08.940 Don't lie.

00:10:10.300 Could you find Equatorial Guinea on a map?

00:10:12.000 But Canada's diplomats really, really, really, really, really, really want to be on the Security Council.

00:10:19.080 And you need other countries to vote for you, like Equatorial Guinea managed to get.

00:10:24.100 But other countries aren't thrilled with Justin Trudeau right now.

00:10:26.020 So from Saudi Arabia to India to China to Australia to the United States, a lot of countries sort of think Trudeau is a lightweight or a bungler.

00:10:34.360 I wonder what would possibly give them that impression.

00:10:37.420 But this is the most important thing to our ambassadors right now.

00:10:39.620 They literally spent six months, that's what they said, tinkering with that logo, and they kept coloring it and coloring it.

00:10:46.500 And then at night, putting it in their little hope chest under their bed and daydreaming about it and then doodling the letters J.T. Hart's UN in the scrapbook.

00:10:55.440 And you read her tweet.

00:10:57.740 Their head ambassador, Marc-Andre Blanchard, just told them to keep it that little maple leaf until they got it right.

00:11:04.440 Go work on it some more.

00:11:06.120 Or, I tell you, I wish they kept it that NAFTA deal, just work on it some more until they got it right.

00:11:11.920 But then again, I'm not good at coloring.

00:11:15.280 Now, the ridicule continued.

00:11:16.880 So Ambassador Blay did some damage control about her comment about six months of work on the coloring project.

00:11:24.400 So she said,

00:11:25.160 To those who rightfully inquired about cost, I am pleased to report that it was designed in-house.

00:11:32.540 And the six months spent deciding were reflective conversations, not full-time staff hours.

00:11:41.220 Hey guys, big meeting today at the boardroom.

00:11:43.920 We're going to have a reflective conversation.

00:11:46.320 This is meeting number 22.

00:11:48.120 We've got to get this done in six months, people.

00:11:50.080 We're going to have another reflective conversation about this leaf.

00:11:53.660 Come prepared with your speaking notes.

00:11:55.480 We're going to keep the meeting just to 90 minutes this time.

00:11:57.920 I think she thinks her tweet made it better.

00:12:03.300 Hey guys, we didn't hire outside consultants.

00:12:05.940 It was just all our staff who worked on it internally.

00:12:08.080 All these Government of Canada employees, all of them overpaid.

00:12:10.700 Many of them in government unions.

00:12:12.080 We just met and met and met until we got it right.

00:12:14.660 We spent six months meeting about this coloring project.

00:12:17.020 But don't worry, it was reflective conversations, not full-time staff hours.

00:12:21.760 Do you know even what that means?

00:12:22.960 It doesn't mean anything sensical other than you paid for it.

00:12:26.260 And they're so proud of it.

00:12:27.780 And they're shocked that you're not proud of it too.

00:12:30.260 Because they don't really care about substantive things in the liberals of Justin Trudeau.

00:12:35.960 They care about photos and logos and selfies and Vanity Magazine photo spreads.

00:12:41.620 I knew that Justin Trudeau had a full-time photographer who traveled with him wherever he goes.

00:12:46.760 But I didn't until today know that he has a full-time videographer too.

00:12:51.600 Jet setting, going everywhere.

00:12:52.900 Here's a tweet from that videographer as he and Justin Trudeau's photographer pose together like their boss likes to pose.

00:13:00.180 So I suppose a third photographer shot those two posing as the videographer wrote.

00:13:08.060 At the United Nations today, Adam Scotty and I had an important bilateral video and photo.

00:13:14.060 Much unites us.

00:13:15.040 And there is much we can work on together to make the lives of both our peoples more prosperous.

00:13:18.800 For one thing, photographers could get videographers' lunch once in a while.

00:13:22.560 Ha ha ha ha!

00:13:24.960 You paid for that, people.

00:13:26.420 You paid for that.

00:13:28.180 They're actually making fun of how vacuous their boss is.

00:13:31.260 You've got to admit.

00:13:33.060 It's just funny banter.

00:13:34.240 They're living the high life.

00:13:35.580 They're loving New York City.

00:13:36.480 Listen, who doesn't love New York City?

00:13:37.720 It's the most amazing city in the world, I think.

00:13:39.860 For all of his anti-Americanism, Justin Trudeau flies down to New York City every few months.

00:13:44.920 He goes to the show.

00:13:45.960 He goes to some fancy restaurants.

00:13:48.040 All VIP style.

00:13:49.200 All private jet style.

00:13:50.280 You pay for it all.

00:13:51.340 Maybe he gives a male feminist speech here or there. 0.98

00:13:53.320 Maybe he unveils a colorful logo.

00:13:55.600 Job done.

00:13:56.740 I really think he believes that's his job.

00:13:58.920 To be a mascot.

00:14:03.040 Look, nobody cares.

00:14:04.840 Nobody cares about Trudeau.

00:14:06.140 In fact, most people just weren't even there in the room when he gave his speech to the U.N.

00:14:11.180 Why would they listen to him?

00:14:13.820 You're a busy ambassador for a foreign country.

00:14:16.100 You're going to sit there and listen to Justin Trudeau to give a speech?

00:14:17.940 Why?

00:14:18.760 Going to learn something that was actually of interest to you as an ambassador for your country?

00:14:23.600 And you're in it?

00:14:24.200 Of course not.

00:14:26.220 Now, there was a lunch for all the country's leaders.

00:14:30.440 That's a pretty high-powered lunch.

00:14:31.860 You've got all these leaders in town for the U.N.

00:14:34.900 Again, Trump was eating lunch and he was talking with some other leaders.

00:14:39.840 He was shaking hands.

00:14:41.080 He was sitting at the table, but he would stand up for some quick hellos.

00:14:43.700 I mean, you can imagine, what, 200 world leaders, not all of them in New York, obviously,

00:14:48.060 but every single country, their leader or their ambassador, they want a moment with Donald Trump.

00:14:53.180 Some of these world leaders have never met him yet.

00:14:55.920 Others have some really pressing business.

00:14:57.720 Donald Trump, you've got to look at this.

00:14:59.520 Now, Trump is polite enough, but he's the big dog and he has his own priorities.

00:15:03.620 As you saw, those priorities included South Korea, Egypt, and France.

00:15:06.900 There was no time for Trudeau.

00:15:08.120 Now, look at this.

00:15:09.260 I'm going to show you some photos, some video from different angles.

00:15:13.580 I want to make sure you see this right.

00:15:14.920 Look at this.

00:15:15.960 Trudeau sees Donald Trump sitting down at lunch.

00:15:18.720 Like so many other leaders, he comes over, but he doesn't want to look, you know, too desperate.

00:15:22.980 He comes over.

00:15:24.040 Now, he talks first to the man sitting next to Trump.

00:15:26.700 I'm not sure who that other man is yet.

00:15:28.260 I'm sorry.

00:15:28.600 And then he taps Trump on the shoulder.

00:15:31.860 Trump looks up, sees who it is, and he doesn't get up.

00:15:37.400 And he doesn't talk.

00:15:40.100 Trudeau shakes Trump's hand for literally one second.

00:15:45.120 And then he walks away.

00:15:47.580 Because why would Trump get up for him?

00:15:50.740 Why would Trump talk with him?

00:15:52.040 Remember, Donald Trump phoned Justin Trudeau the other day.

00:15:54.220 On the very day he was set to announce his Mexico trade deal, he called Trudeau.

00:15:59.080 Trump did.

00:16:00.080 I don't know what he was going to tell him, but Trudeau refused to take the phone call.

00:16:05.160 Because, you know, he's so busy with more important things like coloring.

00:16:11.640 Look, Trump's got Trudeau's number.

00:16:12.840 He's not going to stand up to talk about male feminism or global warming or coloring books with Trudeau, is he?

00:16:18.060 Here's Trump standing up, though, to greet the president of Mexico, though.

00:16:24.220 Face to face, though.

00:16:25.780 Have a little conversation, though, because they have a deal.

00:16:28.820 They have grown-up stuff to talk about, like factories and trade.

00:16:33.420 Justin Trudeau is standing apart from him in that photo, thinking about his, I don't know, coloring book, Maple Leaf or something.

00:16:38.500 Maybe he should try the socks thing again.

00:16:41.600 Yeah.

00:16:42.000 Here's a picture of Trudeau showing off his fancy socks to Angela Merkel a year ago.

00:16:46.500 This was a loving article in a newspaper in India.

00:16:49.680 Those socks are world famous.

00:16:51.480 They're not as impressed with Trudeau or his socks in India anymore.

00:16:55.940 The fiasco trip to that and the coloring book thing, it doesn't seem to be clicking.

00:17:01.060 Here's a story in the Daily Mail.

00:17:02.340 It's a UK newspaper pointing out that Donald Trump refused to have a bilateral with Trudeau.

00:17:06.220 Refused.

00:17:07.300 Even though, according to the Daily Mail, Trump had five hours of spare time to do so.

00:17:11.900 He just didn't feel the need to be scolded about carbon dioxide or male privilege or whatever Trudeau wanted to talk about.

00:17:20.640 Trump had grown-up stuff to do.

00:17:22.100 North Korea, China, Russia, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Egypt, whatever.

00:17:26.400 Whatever.

00:17:27.760 But hey, we don't need that Donald Trump guy.

00:17:30.100 No.

00:17:30.700 You know, Trudeau had a one-on-one bilateral with the leader of Nepal.

00:17:36.740 That's a country in Asia.

00:17:38.220 That's where Mount Everest is.

00:17:40.460 Top that, Trump.

00:17:42.040 By the way, in Nepal, their per capita GDP, I checked, it's about $2,500 a year.

00:17:48.040 I don't know.

00:17:48.520 Maybe Trudeau thinks he can put a new N in NAFTA.

00:17:52.540 He'll get the Nepal free trade deal.

00:17:54.640 We don't need those Americans. 1.00

00:17:56.960 Because we've got big plans, people.

00:17:58.940 We've got big plans.

00:18:00.140 And we don't need NAFTA liberals to create new ambassador position for women, peace, and security. 1.00

00:18:06.360 Let me read some more.

00:18:07.040 The new ambassador would help champion feminist-based aid programs and advocate for more female participation in peacekeeping and conflict resolution.

00:18:16.280 Yeah, that's a good idea.

00:18:17.060 Send more women into terrorist military zones. 1.00

00:18:19.840 Hey, how many logos would that let us color, though?

00:18:23.880 That's the exciting part.

00:18:26.040 Think about it.

00:18:26.840 So many exciting trips for those photo and video boys.

00:18:31.120 So many opportunities to show fancy socks to new people who haven't seen them yet.

00:18:37.060 Oh, my God.

00:18:38.280 We're in the best of hands, people.

00:18:40.160 Don't you worry.

00:18:42.020 Stay with us for more.

00:18:43.040 The minister was asked by Global News if he was tracking the whereabouts of 33,000 illegal border crossers.

00:19:04.700 He claimed, quote, that the overwhelming majority of illegal border crossers had left the country.

00:19:10.480 Yet today, the Globe and Mail reports that only six illegal border crossers have actually been removed by Canada and by his government.

00:19:18.860 So a very precise question.

00:19:21.880 If the government has moved six illegal border crossers, how many illegal border crossers remain in Canada?

00:19:27.240 Mr. Speaker, I know that the member opposite, because of her vast experience on the immigration file,

00:19:38.760 knows that individuals who come to our country, cross into Canada, and seek the protection of Canada and asylum as they flee from persecution,

00:19:48.500 are not illegal crossers and are done with according to law. 0.79

00:19:52.320 They are entitled by international convention and Canadian law to due process and humanitarian support.

00:19:59.960 Well, there you have it, an exchange between Michelle Rampold, the immigration critic of the Conservative Party,

00:20:04.580 and Bill Blair, who is in this strange position.

00:20:07.360 He's not the immigration minister.

00:20:09.020 He's not the public safety minister.

00:20:10.480 He's sort of the pundit minister on these matters.

00:20:14.620 I thought it was interesting that he claimed that these illegals, which have come in illegally,

00:20:19.780 they have not come in through a proper border crossing, are, quote, fleeing from persecution,

00:20:24.700 even though they're all walking across from New York State.

00:20:27.980 So what's going on here?

00:20:29.340 How many people have been deported?

00:20:31.820 Where are the rest?

00:20:33.280 Does the government even track people once they've crossed the border?

00:20:37.520 Joining us now to answer these and other prickly questions is our friend Giddy Mammon,

00:20:41.820 with the law firm of Mammon Sandalook Kingwell, LLP.

00:20:45.600 Giddy, great to see you again.

00:20:46.820 Thanks for taking the time to be with us.

00:20:48.480 Thank you for having me again, Ezra.

00:20:50.700 Well, Giddy, there's different categories here.

00:20:54.300 I see that there are, according to the Globe and Mail, and I'm relying on their stats here,

00:21:01.400 that 900 of these border crossers who just marched across,

00:21:08.900 they were subject to what's called removal orders by U.S. authorities.

00:21:14.300 So these are folks who had already had their day in court, so to speak.

00:21:18.160 They were ordered out.

00:21:19.820 And of those 900, only six were deported.

00:21:23.920 That's what the Globe and Mail reports.

00:21:25.480 Can you speak a little bit to those stats?

00:21:27.200 Well, we're mixing apples and oranges here, which is what's dangerous.

00:21:32.720 And I think Bill Blair got himself into a lot of trouble by not really understanding what's going on.

00:21:38.420 First of all, we're not really necessarily concerned at all with the number of arrivals here who have U.S. removal orders.

00:21:45.860 Makes no difference.

00:21:46.780 They look the same as everybody else who's coming here. 0.96

00:21:50.340 So the fact that they've been ordered removed from the United States only tells us that they may have gone through the entire refugee process.

00:21:59.440 But that is of no consequence to us.

00:22:02.700 Whoever is coming to our border from the United States at a place other than a proper port of entry 1.00

00:22:09.180 is entitled to make a refugee claim, whether they have a U.S. removal order

00:22:13.620 or whether they've already made a U.S. refugee claim.

00:22:17.420 And so what's striking about the comment from Bill Blair, who is supposed to be our border security minister,

00:22:23.720 is the fact that he believed, even for a moment, that most of the people who've arrived are gone,

00:22:29.780 which means he doesn't really understand that this process is a two- or three-year process now

00:22:35.620 because of the backlogs that have been created by the open border.

00:22:39.620 So for him to even utter that, even momentarily, it clearly tells me that he's not familiar with what's happening once people get into Canada.

00:22:49.380 He's confused one statistic that is irrelevant to what we are doing here in Canada.

00:22:55.580 Well, let me speak to that other statistic because I take your point, and thank you for the education.

00:23:00.980 What I've just learned from you is even if someone's ordered out of America, that doesn't necessarily bind Canada's decision.

00:23:07.980 But let me, if I understand you correctly, Giddy, but let me refer to another stat in the Globe.

00:23:12.240 And again, I'm relying on them because that was the subject of the quarrel in Parliament there.

00:23:17.580 Let me, I'm just going to quote a little bit from the Globe.

00:23:20.400 And, Giddy, first of all, you tell me if the Globe is accurate.

00:23:22.640 And then second, I'd like your thoughts on this.

00:23:25.300 The Globe says, the overall number of asylum seekers who have been deported or removed from Canada also remains low since early 2017.

00:23:34.460 That's really when the flood started.

00:23:36.900 More than 34,000 asylum seekers have crossed into Canada through unofficial points.

00:23:42.800 To date, only 398, or about 1%, have been removed.

00:23:47.000 So that's not subject to U.S. deportation orders, removal orders.

00:23:51.100 That's just everyone, 34,000 in, and only 398 booted out.

00:23:56.140 Is that accurate?

00:23:57.420 That's 100% accurate.

00:23:59.840 In terms of anecdotally what I can tell you, that should be about right.

00:24:04.880 And the minister should have known that.

00:24:07.980 He should have known that it's a minuscule percentage that have actually been removed.

00:24:12.920 Now, what actually happens in Canada is when they come from the States and they arrive in Canada, they get a Canadian removal order.

00:24:24.040 Okay?

00:24:24.680 We're not talking about the U.S. anymore.

00:24:25.940 We're talking about a Canadian removal order.

00:24:27.580 That removal order really doesn't help us very much because the person has a refugee claim.

00:24:33.440 So that removal order cannot be executed until the refugee claim is finished. 0.51

00:24:39.480 But we know now that that's going to take two or three years.

00:24:42.760 So the minister really should have known that in the last year or two, we've allowed in 30,000, 35,000 people who are sitting around, and virtually no one's had a hearing yet.

00:24:51.680 So it's impossible for them to have been removed at the numbers that he thought we were removing them.

00:24:57.780 So the 300 number sounds right to me for sure.

00:25:01.300 Now, each one of these 34,000 peoples, they really get, I mean, it's called a hearing, but it's really in plain language.

00:25:10.840 They each get a trial.

00:25:11.920 So they each get a court date.

00:25:13.720 They each get a trial.

00:25:14.900 Lawyers pro and con.

00:25:16.240 An independent judge.

00:25:18.000 That would be the immigration judge.

00:25:19.780 So it would be, I mean, if all of a sudden 34,000, I'm going to use a negative example, but 34,000 shoplifting cases were going to be prosecuted.

00:25:30.680 You'd say, well, hang on a second.

00:25:32.760 We don't have enough courts.

00:25:34.240 We don't have enough lawyers.

00:25:35.760 We don't have enough personnel.

00:25:37.660 It's going to take us years to prosecute 34,000 shoplifting cases.

00:25:42.560 And each shoplifting case is pretty simple.

00:25:44.700 Did you take the, you know, pack of gum or not?

00:25:47.040 But in 34,000 hearings, or even if they come in families, 10,000 hearings on immigration, where there's documents from foreign jurisdictions and translators, there is no way in God's green earth you're going to have 10,000 trials in an expeditious manner.

00:26:04.000 And then there's the appeals, right?

00:26:05.200 You have no idea, Ezra, what we're talking about in terms of processing power you need to move these claims.

00:26:14.820 First of all, it's a losing battle.

00:26:17.480 No matter how many you process, there are more coming in.

00:26:21.260 So you're never really making an advance on the number.

00:26:24.880 We have in Toronto the largest office of the Immigration and Refugee Board.

00:26:30.580 And the number of courtrooms we're talking about are in the dozens.

00:26:34.540 Just to give you a visual, in each hearing room, you have a judge, like you said.

00:26:39.640 You have counsel for the government.

00:26:41.820 You have counsel for the individual.

00:26:43.480 You probably have an interpreter.

00:26:45.420 There's probably a case clerk assigned to this thing. 0.95

00:26:48.500 It looks like a hearing room.

00:26:50.180 We don't see the public there because these are in-camera hearings.

00:26:53.860 But these are hearings that are done actually mostly in duplicate because everything that's said in English has to be translated into a foreign language.

00:27:05.380 So these things are very slow.

00:27:07.700 And because the stakes are so high, it's not a shoplifting offense.

00:27:11.780 This is a hearing that could determine a person's life.

00:27:14.700 We have to be very slow and very methodical.

00:27:17.620 So when you're talking about removing 34,000 people after going just through the Immigration and Refugee Board level,

00:27:27.840 some of these people will also have a right to go to the Refugee Appeal Division.

00:27:34.100 Some of these people will also have the right to go to the federal court.

00:27:37.600 All of these people will be given the right to do a pre-removal risk assessment.

00:27:41.500 So all of these things are just going to take years.

00:27:44.400 And I don't think the Canadian public really has an idea of what's accumulating at our doorstep.

00:27:49.900 And most of this stuff is going to have to be dealt with.

00:27:52.580 You know, if Justin Trudeau does not get elected in a couple of years, re-elected,

00:27:58.020 this work is going to fall on the next Canadian government.

00:28:02.460 It's going to be a huge job to do.

00:28:04.520 I think I know the answer to my next question because you and I have discussed it before.

00:28:08.280 But just for folks who missed our last conversation,

00:28:11.120 once these folks come across the border and are processed in minutes or hours

00:28:17.620 and maybe give it, they're not detained.

00:28:21.460 Like we don't have, we don't have 34,000 prison beds.

00:28:25.540 We don't have refugee camps.

00:28:27.560 These 34,000 souls are not tracked.

00:28:30.960 They don't have a GPS anklet.

00:28:33.940 But they can go wherever they want in the country.

00:28:37.260 And they can go wherever they want in the country lawfully, legally, until they're hearing.

00:28:41.420 So they can be anywhere.

00:28:42.940 Is that right?

00:28:44.280 You're absolutely correct.

00:28:45.280 Basically what's going to happen is upon arrival,

00:28:49.440 a quick background check is going to be taken.

00:28:52.440 So presumably, you know, a criminal record check,

00:28:57.380 whatever other background checks they can do very, very quickly.

00:29:02.520 What's going to happen then is as long as, you know,

00:29:05.940 they're not all over the Internet or something and they don't have a criminal record,

00:29:11.040 they're going to be asked to sign standard terms and conditions.

00:29:14.920 We call them T's and C's. 0.97

00:29:16.540 And they basically say that when you change your address, please let us know.

00:29:20.180 But, yes, you're right.

00:29:22.680 The second that they leave the border facility, the unofficial border facility,

00:29:27.780 they're free to go anywhere they want.

00:29:29.900 They have to report.

00:29:31.120 They have to show up for their hearings.

00:29:32.780 They have to let immigration know.

00:29:34.720 But, of course, once you are no longer in custody,

00:29:37.400 those are really things that you decide whether or not you're going to conform with or not.

00:29:42.920 Some of them will and some of them will disappear.

00:29:45.780 You'll never hear from them again until you happen to trip over them

00:29:49.020 when they may commit a crime or they're involved in an incident that draws first responders,

00:29:55.820 whether it's police, ambulance, fire, or something like that.

00:29:59.600 You mentioned that this, if Justin Trudeau is not reelected,

00:30:03.340 this will be a matter to be dealt with by a future government.

00:30:08.000 And I don't want to make you say anything.

00:30:10.120 That's a fact.

00:30:10.260 That's a fact.

00:30:11.960 Yeah, well, obviously, I mean, just in terms of, you know, the next election is a year away.

00:30:17.180 Obviously, you can't have 30, tens of thousands of trials.

00:30:22.880 I understand that these numbers are growing.

00:30:25.700 I understand that the last report I've seen month over month, this isn't getting less.

00:30:30.960 It's getting more because word spreads.

00:30:35.020 Here's how you do it.

00:30:36.000 Here's what you say.

00:30:37.280 Here's what you bring.

00:30:38.320 Here's what you don't bring.

00:30:39.660 Here's what you ask.

00:30:40.780 Here's how you get benefits.

00:30:42.180 Like, these are not organic.

00:30:45.180 These people are following tips.

00:30:47.440 And I understand there's actually apps to help you cross the border.

00:30:51.540 These guys have apps on their smartphones.

00:30:53.360 This is organized.

00:30:54.460 Would you say this is a form of human trafficking or people smuggling?

00:30:57.840 I'm not going to say that, because if it's the case, it would be the prime minister himself doing that.

00:31:05.800 He has basically sent out a signal that Canada is a very welcoming country.

00:31:12.520 And when people are rushing to unofficial points of entry, there is no resistance.

00:31:21.880 So what's happening, you don't really need to organize very much.

00:31:25.020 You just have to look at the papers, do a little research on the Internet, and you just, you know, go down Rocksham Road, go to the end, and then cross the ditch.

00:31:33.980 There's nobody.

00:31:34.720 You don't really need anybody's help.

00:31:36.220 You don't need to pay anybody.

00:31:38.240 You don't need to hide anything.

00:31:40.160 You don't need to prepare any documents.

00:31:42.020 You just need to go to the end of Rocksham Road and just cross the ditch.

00:31:45.780 So I can't say that it's a form of human smuggling, because there is no fraud taking place.

00:31:52.340 There's no organization.

00:31:54.140 There is no, you know, secret things you have to do behind the scenes.

00:31:57.940 It's all out in the open.

00:31:59.180 And as far as what you're saying about the growing nature of this, just to give you some statistics, for example, in recent history, if you take a look at the 2014 numbers, we processed 13,000 people, 2015, 16,000 people.

00:32:20.820 We're now, for 2017, a record number of people came in at 50,450, and this year, for 2018, we're on track for 53,000.

00:32:36.120 Now, we have not yet started to deal with the TPS renewals in a year or two, which are not going to be renewed.

00:32:43.380 We know that Donald Trump is saying that he is going to end the temporary protected status of some major countries of people that they have allowed into the United States.

00:32:54.400 So we're going to be dealing with those in 2019 and 2020.

00:32:58.680 So if this hole is not plugged, you're not going to be seeing 50,000 numbers.

00:33:02.740 You're going to be seeing 100,000 numbers.

00:33:04.700 And, you know, we just have to completely rethink how we're processing these claims and the kind of manpower we're going to bring to this job, because the current one is simply not keeping up with the inflow.

00:33:19.220 Yeah, I think you're exactly right.

00:33:20.740 And I know this is becoming an issue in the Quebec provincial election and talking about it candidly and openly.

00:33:27.680 The rest of the country is still politically correct about it.

00:33:30.300 But I can only imagine if 100,000 souls marched up from the United States.

00:33:37.000 I just think I just think that that the public, the patients would snap.

00:33:43.260 Giddy, this story, I remember when we started talking about it a year and a half ago, when those few souls walked across the frozen fields into Manitoba.

00:33:53.120 And and we thought it was unusual.

00:33:54.820 And it I never thought it would have grown.

00:33:56.900 But you predicted it.

00:33:57.860 You thought it would grow and it's continuing to grow.

00:34:00.480 Last word to you, Giddy.

00:34:02.140 The only reason these these numbers have not grown as quickly as, you know, you could anticipate is because the United States extended the TPS protection for a number of countries.

00:34:17.800 So those people aren't running to the border because they've now got 18 month deferral on potential removal.

00:34:24.600 But if you believe Donald Trump, and I think you'd be foolish not to believe Donald Trump, he said this is not getting extended too bad.

00:34:33.560 And so you can imagine that those people are going to have no alternatives except to follow in the footsteps of other refugee claimants and just simply walk north and cross the border. 1.00

00:34:44.780 And if and if there's no no one to stop them, then they're going to be coming in.

00:34:49.340 Now, all of this is OK.

00:34:50.560 If Canadian citizens are OK with this, they don't mind these numbers.

00:34:54.740 And this is what they want, that that's fine.

00:34:56.840 But that's what's going to happen.

00:34:58.360 You know, I'm not going to oppose anybody's desire to help refugees in the extent that they want to help refugees.

00:35:04.620 But those are the numbers that we're going to be dealing with.

00:35:06.820 And if that's those are the numbers, we need to rebuild the Immigration Refugee Board.

00:35:11.300 And we have to double our resources or triple our resources to deal with these cases properly.

00:35:16.140 Yeah, unbelievable.

00:35:17.520 Well, Giddy Mammon, always a pleasure and an education.

00:35:20.020 We are viewers, I think, really rely on you to give us the facts because, you know, this is your business.

00:35:24.720 You have been a lawyer for immigrants and refugees your whole career.

00:35:29.380 And we thank you for that expertise.

00:35:31.640 Thank you for having me.

00:35:32.640 All right.

00:35:32.980 There you have it.

00:35:33.480 Giddy Mammon.

00:35:34.180 He's a lawyer with Mammon Sandaluk Kingwell, LLP.

00:35:37.240 And as I mentioned, he loves genuine refugees.

00:35:40.400 He has a warm heart, but he also brings a savvy eye to the political shenanigans.

00:35:45.960 I really value his contribution.

00:35:47.940 Stay with us.

00:35:48.980 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:35:54.720 Hey there.

00:36:01.660 Welcome back.

00:36:02.180 Well, you know, I like talking to Giddy Mammon.

00:36:04.640 He is, he knows his stuff, doesn't he?

00:36:07.100 Do you remember when we had a big interview with Giddy?

00:36:09.000 I think it was about nine months ago now.

00:36:10.400 And he told us that one of the most interesting jobs in his life that helped set him on his path

00:36:14.720 was he worked at Pearson Airport for the border control.

00:36:18.480 And his job was to sort of stress test people who were trying to BS their way into Canada.

00:36:24.300 He was hired, if I recall, was it when the Pope was in Canada for a meeting?

00:36:30.140 And so they were really on the lookout for bad actors who would maybe come, God forbid,

00:36:35.780 to commit murder or terror.

00:36:36.900 So Giddy got his training, listening to all the lies and tricks at the border.

00:36:41.320 It's interesting that he went from that negative experience to becoming a lawyer for immigrants

00:36:45.980 and refugees.

00:36:46.720 I find that very fascinating.

00:36:47.660 He's got a warm heart, as I said earlier, but he obviously has a hard head, soft head,

00:36:52.220 soft heart, hard head.

00:36:53.980 That's a good combination, right?

00:36:55.300 You don't want a hard heart and a soft head.

00:36:58.000 You want a hard head, but a soft heart.

00:37:00.100 That's Giddy.

00:37:00.700 And I say both of those parts as compliments.

00:37:03.300 So he does it like it is.

00:37:05.600 And if Donald Trump lifts the temporary permits for all these countries, I think Haiti is one

00:37:12.060 of them, get ready for 100,000 new Haitians to come to Canada.

00:37:15.980 And you think Donald Trump's going to, you think Justin Trudeau's going to stop them?

00:37:19.260 Get ready.

00:37:19.580 I don't even know what the other countries are, but get ready for all of them to come.

00:37:23.700 And as Giddy said, they're never going to be kicked out.

00:37:26.720 They're never going to leave.

00:37:29.220 Justin Trudeau has managed to find a way to turn us into the Germany of North America,

00:37:34.600 where you have countless migrants just walking in.

00:37:37.300 No rule of law, no process, no vetting.

00:37:40.420 Just come on in.

00:37:42.860 You know, I'm afraid Trudeau might win his election again next year, and this will continue

00:37:46.840 for five years, not just one.

00:37:49.000 Hey, folks.

00:37:50.440 I actually pre-recorded this interview and this show today.

00:37:53.900 I pre-recorded it yesterday.

00:37:55.840 Because today, as we're airing this, I am actually in the United Kingdom at Tommy Robinson's

00:38:01.980 Trot, and I wanted to pre-record this so I didn't miss a day.

00:38:05.140 Sheila is going to host my show tomorrow because I'll be flying home.

00:38:08.020 But Tommy Robinson, our former employee, is on trial again today for that same contempt

00:38:14.300 of court charge he had back in May in Leeds.

00:38:16.480 They're having a do-over.

00:38:18.340 So I went over there to be in the court and report on it.

00:38:22.020 If you want to see my video reports, go to TommyTrial.com, and I'll be back doing my proper

00:38:31.320 show on Monday.

00:38:32.860 Sheila will be here tomorrow, but I'll be back on Monday.

00:38:36.160 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, goodbye and keep fighting

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Rebel News Podcast - September 28, 2018

Trump gave a magnificent speech at the UN. How did Justin Trudeau do？

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