Rebel News Podcast - Trump talks tough to NATO — while Trudeau takes selfies & cuts military spending (again)

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Donald Trump talks tough to NATO allies who refuse to pay their fair share

00:00:04.740 while Justin Trudeau takes selfies and cuts our military spending again.

00:00:09.700 It's July 11th and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:00:39.160 Donald Trump says that NATO allies are not pulling their fair share.

00:00:43.240 Is he right?

00:00:44.380 Well, yes he is.

00:00:45.440 The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, all the countries agree to spend 2% of their GDP on the militaries.

00:00:51.980 The U.S. spends almost 4% of their GDP.

00:00:54.140 In other words, the average American works about one day a month to pay for the U.S. military.

00:01:00.160 In Canada, by contrast, we spend about 1.3% of our GDP on the military.

00:01:05.680 U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, in terms of raw amounts, we're number 6th.

00:01:10.560 In terms of a percentage of our GDP, we're not even in the top 10, though.

00:01:14.380 That's about to fall even lower.

00:01:15.660 We'll be number 16 next year.

00:01:17.260 But, hey, we'll still beat Luxembourg.

00:01:20.840 A NATO report said Canada is expected to spend an estimated 1.23% of our GDP on defense in 2018,

00:01:28.460 down from 1.36% last year, says the annual report, which looks at military investments for all member states.

00:01:35.180 That's from Global News.

00:01:37.200 Look, even the Toronto Star admits it.

00:01:38.740 Here's their headline.

00:01:39.440 I hate to say it, but Trump is right about Canada's military spending.

00:01:43.340 When the star says it, you know, it's true if they admit it.

00:01:47.420 Check out this tweet from Justin Trudeau, though.

00:01:50.200 Today, I'm proud to announce that continuing in Canada's long tradition of contributions and leadership at NATO,

00:01:57.020 we will be stepping up and taking command for the first year of NATO's new mission in Iraq,

00:02:03.780 a mission focused on capacity building and training, centered in Baghdad,

00:02:09.500 focused on the fact that now that we have degraded and even defeated Daesh on the ground,

00:02:14.340 we have to win the peace.

00:02:15.980 We have to build capacity.

00:02:17.540 We have to help governance.

00:02:19.140 We have to create strong institutions around Iraqi security

00:02:22.860 that are going to be able to support this fledgling democracy in the years to come.

00:02:27.160 Once again, Canada is stepping up and proud to do so.

00:02:30.620 Trudeau says we help build a more peaceful world.

00:02:32.620 So after the U.S. and U.K. military defeated ISIS,

00:02:37.280 Trudeau says that Canada will be there to build capacity.

00:02:40.180 I don't really know what building capacity means either,

00:02:43.000 other than Trudeau's endless capacity for BS.

00:02:46.080 He does the head bob thing again, which he does whenever he's BSing you.

00:02:50.860 He does that a lot when he's talking about groping girls.

00:02:54.180 Remember, Trudeau was the guy who, right after he was elected and Barack Obama first called him after his election in 2015,

00:02:59.620 Trudeau blurted out in the phone call that he was withdrawing our six CF-18 fighter jets from Iraq.

00:03:05.140 Obama pleaded with him not to do so, but Trudeau did anyways.

00:03:09.040 And now Trudeau's promising to do some capacity building, and he's so proud of that, isn't he?

00:03:14.180 I usually, let me show you one more tweet from Harjit Sajjan.

00:03:17.860 He says, I usually finish off the day with a run.

00:03:20.860 Nice to keep that up in Latvia with some of our women and men in uniform.

00:03:24.240 And if you scroll down, it's him jogging in the forested field.

00:03:31.720 That's obviously a photo op.

00:03:34.300 Just stop and think about that for a second.

00:03:36.980 When you go jogging, if you go jogging,

00:03:40.140 I mean, you can tell people about it,

00:03:41.220 but Harjit Sajjan and Trudeau and Freeland,

00:03:44.120 they had a photographer stand in place and then ready, set, go.

00:03:48.800 They ran to him in a posed photo op.

00:03:52.360 It was posed, and to state the obvious,

00:03:53.940 they flew that staff photographer in from Canada to Latvia.

00:04:00.280 So they spent thousands of dollars on that little photo op there.

00:04:03.980 I guess we should be grateful that Trudeau even had his shirt on,

00:04:07.120 unlike this photo stunt last week,

00:04:09.520 because who amongst us, when accused of sexual assault,

00:04:12.460 doesn't pose for a topless jogging picture? 0.89

00:04:14.940 Anyways, Harjit Sajjan and Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland

00:04:18.300 are really good at photo ops and selfies

00:04:20.400 because they have to be,

00:04:22.040 because they have to distract from the fact that Canada

00:04:23.900 is not living up to our promises to move towards 2% of our GDP for NATO.

00:04:28.020 We're going in the opposite direction.

00:04:29.920 Okay, enough of the photo ops.

00:04:30.860 Let's look at some stubs since here.

00:04:32.040 Here's Donald Trump doing what he does best,

00:04:34.960 saying the obvious truth so bluntly, so plainly,

00:04:38.040 that you can't dispute it.

00:04:39.180 You can haggle, you can quibble,

00:04:41.300 you can say you're outraged by how rude he is,

00:04:43.160 but please watch the next 60 seconds

00:04:45.180 and tell me a single factual error here.

00:04:47.960 Mr. President, which countries do you want to spend more on data in particular?

00:04:51.900 Just look at the chart.

00:04:53.180 Take a look at the chart.

00:04:55.000 It's public, and many countries are not paying what they should,

00:04:59.000 and frankly, many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money

00:05:02.640 for many years back where they're delinquent, as far as I'm concerned,

00:05:07.060 because the United States has had to pay for them.

00:05:09.640 So if you go back 10 or 20 years, you'll just add it all up.

00:05:12.520 It's massive amounts of money is owed.

00:05:14.880 The United States has paid and stepped up like nobody.

00:05:20.540 This has gone on for decades, by the way.

00:05:22.280 This has gone on for many Presidents,

00:05:23.720 but no other President brought it up like I bring it up.

00:05:27.660 So something has to be done,

00:05:29.140 and the Secretary General has been working on it very hard.

00:05:31.480 This year, since our last meeting,

00:05:34.600 commitments have been made for over $40 billion more money

00:05:37.840 spent by other countries.

00:05:39.680 So that's a step, but it's a very small step.

00:05:41.660 It sounds like a lot of money, and it is,

00:05:43.880 but it's a very small amount of money

00:05:45.480 relative to what they owe and to what they should be paying.

00:05:48.500 Yeah, it's true, and although Germany 0.86

00:05:51.860 is where so many U.S. military bases are,

00:05:54.360 and the whole point of NATO,

00:05:56.720 according to its first Secretary General,

00:05:58.760 Lord Ismay, was to keep the Soviet Union out, 1.00

00:06:02.280 the Americans in, and the Germans down. 0.97

00:06:04.980 That's right, and Donald Trump is in,

00:06:07.380 and American taxpayers are in,

00:06:09.220 but where's everyone else?

00:06:11.300 We Canadians free ride off the U.S. military.

00:06:13.320 We all know it.

00:06:14.680 We boast about our free health care,

00:06:16.020 or actually we don't really boast about it a lot anymore,

00:06:18.360 because by now we all know about the massive waiting lines

00:06:21.080 and sullen government workers

00:06:22.400 and old obsolete technology,

00:06:24.760 but we wouldn't have free health care at all

00:06:27.200 without the Americans paying for our security

00:06:28.820 for the past 50 years.

00:06:30.920 And all of our moral primping and preening

00:06:32.680 is because America foots our bill.

00:06:37.080 Sorry, it's true.

00:06:37.740 You can like that, you can dislike it,

00:06:39.060 but you cannot deny it.

00:06:40.880 And we're lucky that Trump doesn't focus on Canada

00:06:42.980 unless we keep provoking him,

00:06:44.380 which Trudeau bizarrely seems to want to do,

00:06:46.380 but here's Trump talking with the NATO Secretary General,

00:06:50.160 a Norwegian chap named Jens Stoltenberg.

00:06:53.220 And what's his job?

00:06:54.300 Well, it's to make NATO strong.

00:06:55.740 So he didn't take Trump's message as a scolding.

00:06:58.980 I think he loved it.

00:07:00.000 I think he was grateful for it.

00:07:01.660 Here, take a look.

00:07:02.860 And it's an unfair burden on the United States,

00:07:05.780 so we're here to talk about that,

00:07:07.700 and I'm sure it will be resolved.

00:07:09.440 I have great confidence in the Secretary General.

00:07:12.280 He's worked very, very hard on this,

00:07:14.740 and he knows it's a fact.

00:07:16.340 But I have great confidence in him and his representatives.

00:07:21.220 Would you like to say something?

00:07:23.560 First of all, it's great to see you again, Mr. President,

00:07:26.220 and good to have you here for the summit.

00:07:28.600 And we are going to discuss many important issues at the summit.

00:07:32.120 Among them is defense spending.

00:07:34.420 And we all agree that we have to do more.

00:07:36.720 I agree with you that we have to make sure

00:07:39.180 that allies are investing more.

00:07:40.680 The good news is that the allies have started

00:07:43.720 to invest more in defense.

00:07:46.460 After years of cutting defense budgets,

00:07:49.860 they have started to add billions to their defense budgets.

00:07:53.840 And last year was the biggest increase

00:07:56.640 in defense spending across Europe and Canada in a generation.

00:08:00.420 Why was that last year?

00:08:01.900 It's also because of your leadership,

00:08:03.480 because of your clear message.

00:08:06.340 They won't write that, but they won't.

00:08:07.740 No, I have said it before,

00:08:09.400 but the thing is that it really has,

00:08:13.060 your message is having an impact.

00:08:17.520 Of course it's true.

00:08:18.600 Do you doubt that Stoltenberg was grateful

00:08:20.240 that the U.S. president was speaking out loud

00:08:22.220 instead of whispering,

00:08:23.440 as Obama and Bush and Clinton did before him?

00:08:25.960 And that point by Trump that the media wouldn't report

00:08:28.020 that NATO was happy to hear it,

00:08:29.620 and Trump was having a positive effect.

00:08:31.000 Trump was 100% right, wasn't he?

00:08:33.340 So Trump was getting encouraged,

00:08:34.860 and so he just let it rip.

00:08:35.900 Here, listen to this gloriousness.

00:08:37.740 I'm going to let the tape run for three full minutes

00:08:40.640 because it's awesome.

00:08:43.500 And again, like it or dislike it,

00:08:45.340 can you quarrel with it?

00:08:46.720 Take a listen.

00:08:47.240 Now, I could cut this off after one minute

00:08:48.760 or after two minutes

00:08:50.040 because he makes his point that quickly.

00:08:52.420 Then he makes it again,

00:08:53.480 and then he makes it again and again.

00:08:54.940 And you can even see his chief of staff

00:08:57.240 squirm a little bit in his seat.

00:09:00.200 See his secretary of state

00:09:01.340 squirm a little bit in his seat

00:09:02.980 because Trump is just smashing the point again and again

00:09:05.780 because, frankly, it's so undiplomatic to speak that way,

00:09:09.600 which is exactly why Trump did it.

00:09:11.400 And if John Kelly and Mike Pompeo are uncomfortable,

00:09:16.560 well, imagine how Angela Merkel feels about this. 0.99

00:09:21.860 Well, I have to say,

00:09:22.780 I think it's very sad

00:09:25.720 when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia

00:09:29.500 where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia,

00:09:32.860 and Germany goes out 0.63

00:09:33.980 and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

00:09:37.840 So we're protecting Germany, 0.87

00:09:39.480 we're protecting France,

00:09:40.840 we're protecting all of these countries.

00:09:43.200 And then numerous of the countries go out

00:09:45.440 and make a pipeline deal with Russia

00:09:47.360 where they're paying billions of dollars

00:09:50.200 into the coffers of Russia.

00:09:52.440 So we're supposed to protect you against Russia, 0.99

00:09:55.040 but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia,

00:09:57.460 and I think that's very inappropriate.

00:09:59.020 And the former chancellor of Germany

00:10:01.080 is the head of the pipeline company

00:10:03.160 that's supplying the gas.

00:10:05.680 Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country 0.99

00:10:10.140 controlled by Russia with natural gas.

00:10:14.340 So you tell me, is that appropriate?

00:10:16.560 I mean, I've been complaining about this

00:10:18.420 from the time I got in.

00:10:20.100 It should have never been allowed to have happened.

00:10:22.380 But Germany is totally controlled by Russia

00:10:24.660 because they will be getting from 60 to 70% of their energy

00:10:28.660 from Russia and a new pipeline.

00:10:31.520 And you tell me if that's appropriate,

00:10:33.420 because I think it's not.

00:10:34.580 And I think it's a very bad thing for NATO,

00:10:36.800 and I don't think it should have happened.

00:10:38.880 And I think we have to talk to Germany about it.

00:10:41.000 On top of that,

00:10:42.320 Germany is just paying a little bit over 1%,

00:10:44.740 whereas the United States, in actual numbers,

00:10:47.460 is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP.

00:10:52.200 So I think that's inappropriate also.

00:10:54.280 You know, we're protecting Germany,

00:10:55.660 we're protecting France,

00:10:56.600 we're protecting everybody,

00:10:58.660 and yet we're paying a lot of money to protect.

00:11:00.960 Now, this has been going on for decades.

00:11:03.400 This has been brought up by other presidents,

00:11:05.540 but other presidents never did anything about it

00:11:07.640 because I don't think they understood it

00:11:09.660 or they just didn't want to get involved.

00:11:12.000 But I have to bring it up

00:11:13.180 because I think it's very unfair to our country,

00:11:15.140 it's very unfair to our taxpayers.

00:11:17.520 And I think that these countries have to step it up,

00:11:19.940 not over a 10-year period,

00:11:21.100 they have to step it up immediately.

00:11:22.740 Germany is a rich country.

00:11:24.000 They talk about they're going to increase it

00:11:26.080 a tiny bit by 2030.

00:11:29.580 Well, they could increase it immediately tomorrow

00:11:32.500 and have no problem.

00:11:34.520 I don't think it's fair to the United States.

00:11:36.340 So we're going to have to do something

00:11:38.560 because we're not going to put up with it.

00:11:40.100 We can't put up with it,

00:11:41.100 and it's inappropriate.

00:11:43.560 So we have to talk about the billions and billions

00:11:46.980 of dollars that's being paid to the country

00:11:49.820 that we're supposed to be protecting you against.

00:11:52.140 You know, everybody's talking about it all over the world.

00:11:56.060 They'll say, well, wait a minute,

00:11:56.900 we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia, 1.00

00:11:59.740 but why are you paying billions of dollars

00:12:01.800 to Russia for energy?

00:12:03.740 Why are countries in NATO, namely Germany,

00:12:07.780 having a large percentage of the energy needs

00:12:10.340 paid, you know, to Russia and taken care of by Russia?

00:12:14.800 Now, if you look at it,

00:12:16.740 Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply it. 1.00

00:12:19.740 They got rid of their coal plants.

00:12:21.040 They got rid of their nuclear.

00:12:22.800 They're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.

00:12:26.760 I think it's something that NATO has to look at.

00:12:29.100 I think it's very inappropriate.

00:12:30.620 You and I agree that it's inappropriate.

00:12:32.660 I don't know what you can do about it now,

00:12:34.320 but it certainly doesn't seem to make sense

00:12:36.340 that they pay billions of dollars to Russia,

00:12:39.240 and now we have to defend them against Russia.

00:12:43.080 Let's cut that off just out of mercy.

00:12:44.840 Stoltenberg was pretty friendly, by the way.

00:12:46.840 Trump went for one more round.

00:12:47.940 I won't make you watch it.

00:12:49.820 But let me show you who Trump was talking about.

00:12:51.600 The former German chancellor, Gerhard Schrader,

00:12:55.260 he works for Putin now.

00:12:57.180 That's him in, what, 10 different poses with Putin?

00:13:00.360 He and Putin are pretty close.

00:13:03.020 They've met, what, 100 times?

00:13:06.180 They go to social events together,

00:13:07.680 birthday parties, that sort of thing.

00:13:08.960 I think it's pretty unseemly for the former German chancellor

00:13:13.860 to go to work for Germany's longtime enemy, Russia.

00:13:17.180 Don't you think?

00:13:17.760 It would be like if a former U.S. president

00:13:19.920 rent right to work for Russia, or to, let's say, Iran,

00:13:23.400 to sell out his own country.

00:13:25.020 That's the thing.

00:13:25.560 That's Schrader.

00:13:26.360 And he's still considered polite company in Germany,

00:13:28.700 and the whole world was supposed to pretend

00:13:30.920 it wasn't happening,

00:13:32.400 that Germany wasn't becoming beholden to Russia

00:13:34.920 and for its energy,

00:13:35.660 that Germany was paying its money to Russia for energy,

00:13:39.980 and that same Germany was banning fracking

00:13:42.660 for its own energy instead,

00:13:44.860 that Germany was shortchanging NATO.

00:13:47.380 We were all supposed to ignore that.

00:13:48.840 You weren't supposed to mention that.

00:13:49.920 Well, Donald Trump mentioned it big time,

00:13:51.560 and not just in passing, and not just once,

00:13:53.660 and not just in private.

00:13:55.680 That's amazing.

00:13:56.420 And again, if you think it is unfair,

00:13:57.700 then take it up with NATO.

00:13:59.420 Then maybe NATO shouldn't be around,

00:14:00.880 because that wasn't a U.S. demand.

00:14:03.080 It was a NATO promise.

00:14:04.160 The U.S. is more than meeting,

00:14:06.040 but no one else is meeting it other than the Brits.

00:14:08.540 Canada isn't.

00:14:09.380 We're shirking.

00:14:09.920 We're actually backsliding.

00:14:12.220 Donald Trump's probably going to whack us Canadians

00:14:14.500 with an auto tariff,

00:14:16.380 and Trudeau shrinking our military spending

00:14:18.720 will only make Trump more aggressive.

00:14:20.380 Trump sent letters to NATO

00:14:21.840 complaining about particular shirkers. 0.94

00:14:24.700 I tried to find the letter.

00:14:25.860 The best I could find was

00:14:26.880 the Wall Street Journal's report of it.

00:14:29.460 Let me quote,

00:14:30.620 Mr. Trump singled out Canada

00:14:32.260 in his letters to NATO leaders,

00:14:34.600 expressing, quote,

00:14:35.380 growing frustration

00:14:36.160 that key allies like Canada

00:14:37.720 have not stepped up

00:14:38.540 defense spending as promised.

00:14:40.740 Yeah, no doubt.

00:14:41.600 It's a Trudeau.

00:14:43.480 And I think Trudeau wants that fight.

00:14:45.820 Or at least Trudeau's boss,

00:14:47.140 Gerald Butts does.

00:14:48.040 Butts constantly tweets

00:14:49.340 passive-aggressive anti-Trump tweets.

00:14:51.460 It's constant.

00:14:52.120 You can only imagine

00:14:53.300 what he says to Trudeau in private.

00:14:54.620 Let me just give you one tiny example.

00:14:56.620 Here, he tweets a far-left,

00:14:58.240 socialist, radical,

00:14:59.420 open-borders Democrat candidate

00:15:00.920 in New York,

00:15:01.940 and he's cheering for her.

00:15:03.500 Her name is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:15:06.780 And she's really like Bernie Sanders,

00:15:09.260 if Bernie Sanders were

00:15:10.240 a 20-something Hispanic woman. 0.99

00:15:12.020 She's that far left. 0.94

00:15:13.080 She's that much of a Trump hater. 0.99

00:15:14.700 So, of course,

00:15:15.480 Gerald Butts supports her

00:15:16.460 because he's a Marxist, too.

00:15:17.480 But his open support

00:15:19.120 for Trump's enemies,

00:15:21.200 his open support

00:15:22.120 for U.S. Democratic partisans,

00:15:24.660 it's shocking and terrifying

00:15:26.580 coming from a man

00:15:28.120 who is at the center

00:15:28.820 of our government

00:15:29.460 and who is supposed

00:15:30.220 to be negotiating

00:15:31.040 NAFTA and NATO

00:15:32.200 and other things with America.

00:15:33.120 Of course,

00:15:33.900 we are going to have a trade war.

00:15:35.480 And as far as a war-war goes,

00:15:38.680 Trudeau will continue

00:15:39.700 to disarm

00:15:40.420 and only use our troops

00:15:42.060 for PR purposes,

00:15:43.180 like Molly Butts. 1.00

00:15:44.100 thinks he can turn that

00:15:45.760 into a winning campaign

00:15:46.680 in 2019,

00:15:47.800 running against Trump,

00:15:49.120 blaming Trump

00:15:49.620 for the recession

00:15:50.240 that will come

00:15:50.880 if we have a trade war,

00:15:52.180 claiming that all of

00:15:53.620 Trudeau's opponents

00:15:55.020 are just Trump lovers.

00:15:56.960 Angela Merkel

00:15:57.440 didn't insult Trump

00:15:58.520 today in Germany,

00:15:59.740 even after that tirade.

00:16:02.540 Neither did France 0.97

00:16:03.140 as Emmanuel Macron

00:16:04.020 because they don't want

00:16:05.120 trade wars.

00:16:06.400 They don't want

00:16:06.800 the whole place

00:16:07.280 to burn down. 0.93

00:16:07.880 They don't want America 0.99

00:16:09.020 to withdraw from Europe.

00:16:11.880 Our guy Trudeau does.

00:16:13.420 But hey,

00:16:14.100 have you seen him

00:16:15.020 jogging without a shirt lady? 1.00

00:16:16.480 He's so hot.

00:16:19.600 Stay with us for more

00:16:20.580 on this subject

00:16:21.100 with Lee Humphreys.

00:16:38.500 Welcome back.

00:16:39.300 Well, Donald Trump,

00:16:40.060 once again,

00:16:40.580 being very undiplomatic

00:16:41.880 in a diplomatic setting,

00:16:43.140 sort of like a child

00:16:44.820 saying the emperor

00:16:45.660 has no clothes,

00:16:46.560 undiplomatic,

00:16:47.320 but finally cuts

00:16:48.460 to the truth.

00:16:49.260 Well, joining us now

00:16:50.300 via Skype is our,

00:16:52.160 I don't want to

00:16:53.000 quite lay claim to him

00:16:54.420 as an official

00:16:55.200 rebel contributor,

00:16:56.280 but I feel like he is

00:16:57.260 because he brings

00:16:58.340 so much smarts

00:16:59.260 every time he's on

00:16:59.980 our show.

00:17:01.360 Lee Humphrey,

00:17:02.140 president of James

00:17:02.820 International Security

00:17:03.640 Consulting,

00:17:04.580 and now the Conservative

00:17:06.320 Party of Canada

00:17:07.340 nomination candidate

00:17:08.960 for Calgary Centre.

00:17:09.900 I'm very excited

00:17:10.400 to hear that.

00:17:11.300 Lee Humphrey,

00:17:11.860 great to see you again.

00:17:12.800 I want to sort of

00:17:13.560 lay claim to you,

00:17:14.400 but I know you

00:17:15.480 are,

00:17:16.600 you give your expertise

00:17:18.300 to any journalist

00:17:19.240 who asks,

00:17:20.020 and we're delighted

00:17:20.680 to ask you,

00:17:21.660 would you give me

00:17:22.660 your thoughts

00:17:23.420 on Donald Trump

00:17:24.720 talking about

00:17:26.680 different countries'

00:17:27.680 NATO commitments?

00:17:29.360 Well,

00:17:29.920 I think you summed it

00:17:30.980 up well,

00:17:31.760 Ezra,

00:17:32.200 in the sense that

00:17:33.000 Donald Trump

00:17:33.960 uses language

00:17:34.720 that isn't

00:17:36.440 very diplomatic,

00:17:37.160 but he's echoing

00:17:38.940 the language

00:17:39.820 of Presidents Bush

00:17:41.160 and Obama

00:17:42.000 in demanding

00:17:43.680 that NATO countries,

00:17:45.660 all NATO countries,

00:17:47.420 live up to the

00:17:48.300 agreements that

00:17:49.080 they signed on to

00:17:50.560 as part of their

00:17:51.840 commitment to NATO.

00:17:53.520 And it's a really

00:17:55.080 simple metric,

00:17:57.440 which is,

00:17:58.360 2% of your gross

00:18:00.140 domestic product

00:18:01.320 directly spent

00:18:02.700 on military.

00:18:06.020 Now,

00:18:06.680 NATO,

00:18:07.640 you know,

00:18:08.100 generously in 2014

00:18:09.480 when this commitment

00:18:10.280 was made,

00:18:11.420 changed the formula

00:18:12.380 significantly

00:18:13.300 to allow things

00:18:14.500 like veterans' 0.59

00:18:15.520 pensions

00:18:16.220 to be included

00:18:17.800 in that spending cap

00:18:19.420 so that all countries

00:18:20.480 could look just

00:18:21.220 a little bit better.

00:18:23.640 But,

00:18:24.060 you know,

00:18:24.800 Trump is making

00:18:26.380 a really important

00:18:27.640 point here.

00:18:28.420 If we are a collective

00:18:29.720 allied nation

00:18:31.860 group

00:18:32.600 of defense,

00:18:34.660 for defense,

00:18:35.800 then we must

00:18:36.900 all pony up

00:18:38.400 and share

00:18:39.640 that responsibility

00:18:40.640 fiscally as well

00:18:41.820 as in things

00:18:42.960 like manpower

00:18:43.740 and resources.

00:18:44.920 Yeah,

00:18:45.380 you know,

00:18:45.780 that's the point.

00:18:46.620 I mean,

00:18:46.840 if NATO is just

00:18:48.340 a code word

00:18:49.360 for America

00:18:50.600 is the world's

00:18:51.640 policeman

00:18:52.260 and guardian

00:18:53.000 and everyone else

00:18:53.840 just sort of

00:18:54.820 latches on,

00:18:55.760 then say so.

00:18:56.760 But NATO,

00:18:57.900 the countries

00:18:58.960 are equal.

00:18:59.540 They all,

00:19:00.420 all for one

00:19:01.000 and one for all.

00:19:01.620 It's sort of like

00:19:01.960 the three musketeers,

00:19:02.900 but it's what,

00:19:03.280 29 musketeers

00:19:04.280 or something.

00:19:05.080 If a country

00:19:06.020 is attacked,

00:19:06.620 all come to its aid.

00:19:08.280 We're all equal

00:19:09.260 within NATO.

00:19:10.680 So,

00:19:11.560 we should act like it

00:19:12.660 and go to that

00:19:14.340 2% rule.

00:19:15.180 Or,

00:19:15.720 just don't call it NATO.

00:19:17.040 Call it America

00:19:17.780 protecting everyone

00:19:18.840 out of the goodness

00:19:19.920 of their heart.

00:19:20.540 But Trump,

00:19:21.040 Trump's sort of

00:19:21.800 fed up with that

00:19:22.800 altruism,

00:19:23.880 I think,

00:19:24.400 isn't he?

00:19:25.720 Yeah,

00:19:26.180 absolutely.

00:19:26.840 I mean,

00:19:27.220 each NATO country,

00:19:28.600 unlike the UN,

00:19:30.080 each NATO country

00:19:31.160 has an actual vote

00:19:32.680 that matters.

00:19:34.020 So,

00:19:34.260 if NATO

00:19:34.700 is going to do

00:19:35.820 something collectively,

00:19:37.080 whether it is

00:19:37.740 a combat operation

00:19:39.200 or a combat support

00:19:40.300 operation,

00:19:41.360 all NATO members

00:19:42.580 must vote

00:19:43.600 and it must be

00:19:45.440 in agreement.

00:19:46.200 It's not a majority vote.

00:19:47.820 It must be

00:19:48.740 100% agreement,

00:19:50.400 all 29 nations.

00:19:51.500 So,

00:19:52.320 you can't have

00:19:53.180 a nation like Canada

00:19:54.520 with a tiny contribution

00:19:57.300 having an equal vote

00:19:59.540 for,

00:20:00.660 against,

00:20:01.220 you know,

00:20:01.520 something perhaps

00:20:02.340 America or the United 0.51

00:20:03.460 Kingdom

00:20:03.960 wants to do

00:20:05.760 or wants to be

00:20:07.120 involved with.

00:20:08.200 So,

00:20:08.700 unless we're going

00:20:09.460 to go to,

00:20:10.540 say,

00:20:11.620 a UN-type

00:20:12.780 circumstance

00:20:13.680 at the Security Council

00:20:14.860 where those countries

00:20:16.700 that are contributing

00:20:17.680 2% or more

00:20:18.920 of their GDP

00:20:19.680 get a veto power

00:20:21.700 or have some

00:20:22.920 extraordinary

00:20:23.760 power,

00:20:25.960 we want to stay

00:20:27.020 as an equal alliance,

00:20:28.260 then we all have

00:20:29.260 to contribute equally.

00:20:30.880 Well,

00:20:31.060 and that's the thing,

00:20:31.940 is,

00:20:32.580 this isn't Donald Trump

00:20:33.580 coming up here

00:20:34.880 to impose

00:20:35.840 his new

00:20:36.920 idea on us.

00:20:38.360 He's saying,

00:20:39.000 I want to hold you

00:20:39.920 to your promise

00:20:41.020 and I'm just going

00:20:42.220 to be a little bit

00:20:42.920 more blunt

00:20:43.420 than Obama

00:20:44.080 or George W. Bush

00:20:45.580 was.

00:20:46.000 It's, 0.97

00:20:46.500 Trump is the irritant, 0.99

00:20:47.900 he's the prickly guy 0.99

00:20:49.440 who says it

00:20:50.220 but he is not saying

00:20:52.000 I want you to

00:20:53.020 change your promise,

00:20:54.480 he's saying

00:20:54.760 I want you to keep

00:20:55.420 your promise

00:20:55.880 and I think

00:20:58.000 we could use

00:20:58.640 a bit of a kick

00:20:59.180 in the pants

00:20:59.800 because we,

00:21:00.820 you know,

00:21:01.100 and again,

00:21:01.460 we've been free riders

00:21:02.280 by our own definition.

00:21:04.700 Now,

00:21:05.360 Trump has said

00:21:06.300 he wants Canada

00:21:07.240 really boosted,

00:21:08.400 he's suggesting

00:21:09.120 doubling our

00:21:10.080 military budget,

00:21:11.300 I don't think

00:21:12.000 that's a starter

00:21:13.120 for a number

00:21:14.140 of reasons

00:21:14.640 but a NATO report

00:21:18.020 suggests Canada's

00:21:18.900 numbers actually

00:21:19.480 backsliding.

00:21:20.940 Can I show you

00:21:21.500 a clip from

00:21:22.080 Justin Trudeau

00:21:22.860 in,

00:21:24.040 at the NATO meeting

00:21:24.940 when he was asked

00:21:25.920 by reporters

00:21:26.660 about the doubling

00:21:28.460 of our budget?

00:21:29.340 Here's what he had

00:21:29.880 to say.

00:21:30.700 It's an important

00:21:31.420 metric amongst

00:21:32.300 many others

00:21:33.240 to gauge how

00:21:34.460 countries are doing

00:21:35.860 in terms of

00:21:36.540 contributors to NATO

00:21:37.580 but ultimately

00:21:38.840 the more important

00:21:41.340 metrics are always

00:21:42.500 you know,

00:21:43.120 are countries

00:21:43.840 stepping up

00:21:44.620 consistently

00:21:45.360 with the capacities

00:21:47.300 that NATO needs?

00:21:48.400 Are we leading

00:21:49.780 in different opportunities?

00:21:51.140 Are we contributing

00:21:51.900 the kinds of resources

00:21:54.160 and demonstrating

00:21:55.060 the commitment

00:21:55.580 to the alliance

00:21:56.380 that always needs

00:21:57.860 to be there?

00:21:58.520 And that's a metric

00:21:59.860 by which Canada

00:22:00.760 can be extraordinarily proud.

00:22:02.440 But no,

00:22:02.940 there are no plans

00:22:03.600 to double

00:22:04.320 our defence budget.

00:22:06.520 Now,

00:22:07.180 Lee,

00:22:07.600 to double

00:22:08.340 the defence budget

00:22:09.020 would be fiscally

00:22:10.460 probably impossible

00:22:11.460 to do unless

00:22:12.140 you did it

00:22:12.620 over a course

00:22:13.700 of five or ten years.

00:22:14.860 It's just such

00:22:15.280 a large amount.

00:22:16.540 But even over

00:22:17.560 five or ten years,

00:22:18.520 I don't think

00:22:19.120 Trump is demanding

00:22:20.680 double,

00:22:21.120 I don't think

00:22:21.760 he's that unrealistic.

00:22:23.020 I don't think

00:22:23.320 anyone is.

00:22:24.240 But if you listen

00:22:25.120 to Trudeau

00:22:25.600 and I'd love

00:22:25.960 your comment on this,

00:22:26.860 he says

00:22:27.300 there are more

00:22:28.560 important measurements.

00:22:30.180 He used the word

00:22:30.840 not equally

00:22:31.420 or other,

00:22:32.340 more important,

00:22:33.880 stepping up

00:22:35.120 and demonstrating

00:22:36.400 a commitment.

00:22:37.240 Those are not

00:22:38.000 quantifiable.

00:22:39.320 Hey guys,

00:22:39.900 we're stepping up.

00:22:40.760 That's a more

00:22:41.240 important commitment.

00:22:42.480 We're demonstrating

00:22:43.640 commitment.

00:22:44.520 Those are fuzzy words,

00:22:46.760 capacities.

00:22:47.980 I don't even know

00:22:48.740 what it means.

00:22:49.380 I know what

00:22:50.180 the takeaway is.

00:22:52.960 He'll give words

00:22:53.840 instead of dollars.

00:22:55.080 And it's not just

00:22:55.740 to Trump.

00:22:56.160 What about our own

00:22:57.060 troops who need

00:22:58.080 the equipment

00:22:58.600 and need the support?

00:23:01.220 All right,

00:23:01.500 enough of a rant

00:23:02.160 from me.

00:23:02.540 What do you make

00:23:02.980 of what he said,

00:23:03.600 Lee?

00:23:04.520 Well,

00:23:04.880 he utilizes

00:23:06.440 symbolism

00:23:07.240 over

00:23:08.540 fulfilling

00:23:10.720 our responsibility.

00:23:12.580 In the fall

00:23:13.280 of 1992,

00:23:14.140 we had three

00:23:16.100 infantry-based

00:23:17.760 battle groups

00:23:18.560 deployed,

00:23:19.660 one in Croatia,

00:23:21.280 one in Bosnia,

00:23:23.100 and one in Somalia.

00:23:25.020 We had a battalion

00:23:26.400 group in Cyprus.

00:23:28.480 We had two

00:23:29.620 infantry battalions

00:23:31.000 and all its

00:23:32.540 supporting elements,

00:23:33.520 which made up

00:23:34.940 a supersized

00:23:36.100 brigade,

00:23:37.080 in Germany.

00:23:39.060 Those were

00:23:40.120 well more,

00:23:42.320 those were

00:23:42.820 stepping up.

00:23:43.560 That's when

00:23:43.920 we were stepping

00:23:44.520 up.

00:23:45.380 What he's doing

00:23:46.200 now is sending

00:23:47.480 under-resourced,

00:23:49.400 under-equipped

00:23:50.220 troops in

00:23:51.720 symbolic ways

00:23:52.920 on a couple

00:23:54.040 of missions,

00:23:54.780 whether it's

00:23:55.260 to Latvia

00:23:55.840 to lead a

00:23:56.440 battle group,

00:23:57.340 not be a

00:23:58.700 battle group,

00:23:59.340 but lead a

00:24:00.060 battle group,

00:24:01.140 whether it's

00:24:01.980 moving the

00:24:02.580 contingent

00:24:03.200 from the

00:24:04.460 Erbil area

00:24:05.340 in Kurdistan

00:24:06.160 down to

00:24:06.900 Baghdad

00:24:07.680 after they

00:24:08.540 sat on their

00:24:09.140 hands,

00:24:09.520 some of our

00:24:09.940 best soldiers

00:24:10.580 sat on their

00:24:11.180 hands for a

00:24:11.840 year,

00:24:12.220 or whether

00:24:13.000 it's putting

00:24:13.680 an under-resourced

00:24:15.440 UN support

00:24:17.120 team into

00:24:18.320 Mali.

00:24:19.760 This is not

00:24:20.780 the Canadian

00:24:21.340 military stepping

00:24:22.420 up in meaningful

00:24:23.320 ways to support

00:24:24.360 NATO.

00:24:25.000 This is rhetoric.

00:24:26.600 So we're not

00:24:27.200 funding it

00:24:27.860 properly,

00:24:28.320 and we're not

00:24:29.320 stepping up on

00:24:30.320 the world stage

00:24:31.140 to support

00:24:31.700 NATO.

00:24:32.040 You can

00:24:34.040 understand why

00:24:34.940 some of the

00:24:35.360 other NATO

00:24:35.960 members may

00:24:37.540 be too polite

00:24:38.220 to say Canada

00:24:39.400 isn't stepping

00:24:40.220 up, and

00:24:41.320 Donald Trump's

00:24:42.280 not one of

00:24:42.780 them.

00:24:42.980 He is less

00:24:44.320 polite when it

00:24:44.940 comes to these

00:24:45.600 things, but

00:24:46.280 you're right.

00:24:47.580 We need a 0.81

00:24:48.100 kick in the 0.63

00:24:48.520 pants. 0.98

00:24:49.000 The Canadian

00:24:49.660 public needs

00:24:50.620 to understand

00:24:51.520 that no longer

00:24:53.000 are we punching

00:24:53.800 above our

00:24:54.400 weight, nor

00:24:55.360 are we

00:24:55.740 contributing

00:24:56.260 financially as

00:24:58.160 we've signed

00:24:59.860 on to do.

00:25:01.100 Yeah, and I

00:25:01.900 don't want

00:25:02.340 Canada to

00:25:02.960 do it for

00:25:04.380 Donald Trump.

00:25:05.040 I want

00:25:05.340 Canada to

00:25:06.040 do it for

00:25:06.780 ourselves, for

00:25:08.260 our publicly

00:25:09.620 expressed goals,

00:25:10.640 and frankly to

00:25:11.300 support our

00:25:11.780 troops.

00:25:12.060 I just can't

00:25:12.900 get over the

00:25:13.940 bizarre request

00:25:14.720 a few weeks

00:25:15.240 ago for

00:25:15.740 Canadian forces

00:25:16.820 to return

00:25:18.000 their sleeping

00:25:19.300 bags because

00:25:20.040 there's a

00:25:20.540 shortage in

00:25:21.120 the army.

00:25:22.200 And I was

00:25:23.680 looking at a

00:25:24.260 story that

00:25:24.900 Germany, in

00:25:26.280 some war

00:25:27.460 games, they

00:25:27.920 were painting

00:25:28.540 broomsticks

00:25:29.320 black and

00:25:30.020 attaching them

00:25:30.920 to vehicles

00:25:31.360 pretending they

00:25:31.880 were machine

00:25:32.260 guns.

00:25:33.280 They're rusted

00:25:34.360 out in their

00:25:34.900 military too.

00:25:36.140 Don't do it

00:25:36.820 for Trump.

00:25:37.360 Do it for

00:25:37.920 our own

00:25:38.840 self-respect.

00:25:39.620 Do it for

00:25:39.980 our own

00:25:40.280 capabilities.

00:25:41.340 Do it to

00:25:41.760 show respect

00:25:42.340 to our own

00:25:42.920 troops.

00:25:43.440 Don't pay

00:25:44.060 our troops

00:25:44.640 and equip

00:25:45.060 our troops

00:25:45.520 to please

00:25:46.340 Trump.

00:25:47.200 Do it

00:25:47.720 because that's

00:25:48.300 what we ought

00:25:49.480 to do and

00:25:50.000 we said we

00:25:50.560 would do.

00:25:51.180 He's just

00:25:51.880 shaming us

00:25:53.140 frankly because

00:25:53.780 we're not doing

00:25:54.500 what we said

00:25:55.080 we would do

00:25:55.540 and the media

00:25:56.760 hasn't held

00:25:57.620 NATO to

00:25:58.620 account.

00:25:59.060 Trump is

00:25:59.480 doing it.

00:26:01.380 I don't know

00:26:02.440 what objection

00:26:03.100 one could make

00:26:03.780 to Trump

00:26:04.160 because he's

00:26:05.220 asking us to

00:26:05.960 live up to

00:26:06.360 our own

00:26:06.800 promises, not

00:26:07.500 to his

00:26:07.820 promises.

00:26:08.440 Last word to

00:26:09.060 you, Lee.

00:26:09.480 I guess my

00:26:10.340 point is I'm

00:26:11.020 not doing this

00:26:11.620 out of my

00:26:12.020 affection for

00:26:12.760 Trump.

00:26:13.540 I'm doing

00:26:13.920 this for my

00:26:14.340 affection for

00:26:15.060 what our

00:26:15.740 Canadian

00:26:16.060 armed forces

00:26:16.640 should be.

00:26:18.340 I think as

00:26:20.160 a last word

00:26:20.880 let's stop

00:26:22.780 making this a

00:26:23.460 partisan issue.

00:26:24.740 For over 50

00:26:25.520 years governments

00:26:26.320 of both sides

00:26:27.220 have used

00:26:28.040 the opportunity

00:26:29.020 whether we

00:26:30.380 were cutting

00:26:31.340 spending or

00:26:32.540 we were in

00:26:33.540 a period of

00:26:34.000 growth to

00:26:34.520 either increase

00:26:35.160 or decrease

00:26:35.780 our commitment

00:26:36.340 to the military

00:26:36.960 but for over

00:26:37.560 50 years

00:26:38.200 we haven't

00:26:39.240 met that

00:26:39.800 2% of

00:26:40.900 GDP.

00:26:42.380 In the past

00:26:43.620 what some

00:26:44.160 governments have

00:26:44.800 done is

00:26:45.740 they've deployed

00:26:46.480 a whole lot

00:26:47.560 of Canadians 0.95

00:26:48.120 to punch above

00:26:48.940 our weight

00:26:49.400 to make up

00:26:49.980 for that

00:26:50.380 and NATO

00:26:51.060 was extremely

00:26:51.780 happy to have

00:26:52.560 that level

00:26:53.040 of professionalism

00:26:54.020 that Canada

00:26:54.580 can bring

00:26:55.080 to the

00:26:55.360 battlefield

00:26:55.740 even if

00:26:56.840 it is in

00:26:57.300 smaller numbers.

00:26:58.580 What we're

00:26:59.040 seeing now

00:26:59.640 is the worst

00:27:00.240 of both

00:27:00.720 worlds

00:27:01.140 and I'm

00:27:01.740 hoping where

00:27:02.340 this leads

00:27:03.260 is that

00:27:04.740 the Conservative

00:27:05.880 Party this

00:27:06.620 summer as

00:27:07.160 part of its

00:27:07.680 policy plank

00:27:08.460 will put

00:27:09.260 forward a

00:27:09.760 plan and I

00:27:10.300 believe they

00:27:10.780 will to

00:27:11.800 outline a

00:27:12.440 way we can

00:27:12.960 get to that

00:27:13.460 2% over the

00:27:14.540 next 5 to

00:27:15.280 7 years

00:27:16.160 as well as

00:27:17.880 taking into

00:27:18.860 account inflation

00:27:19.760 and that

00:27:20.700 we will

00:27:20.980 stop using

00:27:21.820 things like

00:27:22.400 procurement

00:27:23.120 or military

00:27:24.380 deployments

00:27:25.360 as political

00:27:28.340 opportunism

00:27:29.380 to make

00:27:30.280 a government

00:27:30.960 look good

00:27:31.580 and then 0.99

00:27:32.060 cut them

00:27:32.680 the minute

00:27:33.080 that they're

00:27:33.560 no longer

00:27:34.080 needed.

00:27:35.160 So we

00:27:35.880 have an

00:27:36.320 opportunity

00:27:36.800 here at

00:27:37.660 least as

00:27:38.340 the Conservative

00:27:38.900 Party because

00:27:39.660 the Liberals

00:27:40.140 just failed

00:27:40.700 to take

00:27:41.080 that opportunity

00:27:41.920 to stop

00:27:42.900 playing games

00:27:43.620 with our

00:27:43.940 military and

00:27:45.180 to start

00:27:45.560 living up to

00:27:46.220 our international

00:27:46.920 obligations of

00:27:47.900 being the

00:27:48.360 country that

00:27:49.040 you know

00:27:49.500 the Canada

00:27:50.620 that we're

00:27:51.100 all so proud

00:27:51.920 of on the

00:27:53.260 international

00:27:53.740 stage.

00:27:55.360 Well I

00:27:56.060 certainly hope

00:27:56.780 that we

00:27:57.980 come back to

00:27:58.520 that path

00:27:58.900 and you're

00:27:59.220 right it

00:28:00.000 ought not

00:28:00.420 to be a

00:28:01.040 partisan

00:28:01.400 thing.

00:28:04.000 And I

00:28:05.160 hope that

00:28:05.440 the Conservative

00:28:05.920 Party really

00:28:06.460 embraces this.

00:28:08.240 It's the right

00:28:08.640 thing to do

00:28:09.360 just for our

00:28:11.020 own national

00:28:11.760 interests and

00:28:12.280 our national

00:28:12.700 pride.

00:28:13.080 It's always

00:28:13.460 great to

00:28:14.200 have your

00:28:14.560 point of

00:28:14.900 view and

00:28:15.180 as always

00:28:15.760 you bring

00:28:16.140 a lot of

00:28:16.460 historical

00:28:17.120 knowledge too

00:28:18.340 about what

00:28:18.900 Canada was 0.81

00:28:19.400 like and

00:28:19.840 1992 was

00:28:20.800 not that

00:28:21.240 long ago

00:28:21.820 and we

00:28:22.580 were in

00:28:23.620 different

00:28:24.080 theaters and

00:28:24.780 that was the

00:28:26.260 golden age of

00:28:27.140 Canada in

00:28:28.180 these multilateral

00:28:29.520 actions what

00:28:32.400 Trudeau talks

00:28:33.160 about but what

00:28:33.800 he doesn't do.

00:28:34.560 Anyways I tell

00:28:35.240 you I could go

00:28:35.680 on this topic

00:28:36.360 all day.

00:28:36.740 It's great to

00:28:37.060 have you on

00:28:37.400 the show Lee.

00:28:38.940 Thanks very

00:28:39.580 much Ezra.

00:28:40.140 I appreciate it.

00:28:40.840 Alright well

00:28:41.260 it's our

00:28:41.540 pleasure.

00:28:42.340 There you have

00:28:42.680 it.

00:28:42.880 Lee Humphrey

00:28:43.480 he's the

00:28:43.820 president of

00:28:44.320 James

00:28:44.520 International

00:28:44.980 Security

00:28:45.440 Consulting and

00:28:46.380 I'm very

00:28:46.720 excited to

00:28:47.260 learn that

00:28:47.980 he's throwing

00:28:48.440 his hat into

00:28:49.040 the ring for

00:28:49.820 a nomination for

00:28:51.320 the conservative

00:28:51.940 party.

00:28:52.540 Boy I hope he

00:28:53.640 gets that.

00:28:54.320 They could use

00:28:54.860 his experience and

00:28:56.640 wisdom in that

00:28:57.620 party.

00:28:58.380 Stay with us.

00:28:59.680 More ahead on

00:29:00.240 the rebel.

00:29:12.120 Welcome back.

00:29:13.180 Well I pine for

00:29:14.140 the days when

00:29:15.760 Canada's media

00:29:16.840 party would go to

00:29:18.420 the mat, would go

00:29:19.440 to the wall over

00:29:20.800 a $16 orange juice

00:29:23.640 that a federal

00:29:25.580 cabinet minister

00:29:26.180 named Bev Oda

00:29:27.260 expensed.

00:29:28.560 I think she did

00:29:29.280 it from a hotel

00:29:30.180 minibar.

00:29:30.860 Those are

00:29:31.100 notoriously

00:29:31.900 overpriced.

00:29:33.320 $16.

00:29:35.280 There must be

00:29:35.800 a thousand stories

00:29:36.900 on that $16

00:29:37.680 orange juice and

00:29:38.560 she was eventually

00:29:39.320 drummed out of

00:29:40.700 cabinet.

00:29:41.380 Well those were

00:29:42.820 the days eh?

00:29:43.780 Because the

00:29:44.280 Canadian Taxpayers

00:29:45.180 Federation has 0.68

00:29:45.940 news on some of

00:29:47.080 the spending under

00:29:47.720 the Trudeau regime.

00:29:50.080 How I long for

00:29:51.000 those $16 orange

00:29:52.140 juices.

00:29:53.520 If you have a

00:29:54.200 $16 orange juice

00:29:55.400 what kind of cup

00:29:56.600 would you drink it

00:29:57.760 out of?

00:29:58.120 Well here's the

00:29:59.320 good news.

00:29:59.900 Justin Trudeau's

00:30:00.980 liberals are

00:30:01.620 buying glasses

00:30:02.900 little champagne

00:30:04.700 flutes and

00:30:05.300 cocktail glasses.

00:30:06.500 The actual

00:30:07.140 glasses themselves

00:30:08.320 cost on average

00:30:09.500 are you ready for

00:30:10.080 this?

00:30:12.420 $117.

00:30:13.760 And joining us

00:30:14.280 now via Skype

00:30:14.980 is our friend

00:30:15.860 Aaron Woodrick

00:30:16.600 the federal

00:30:18.260 director of the

00:30:18.940 Canadian Taxpayers

00:30:19.760 Federation.

00:30:20.380 I just scratched the

00:30:21.340 surface there Aaron

00:30:22.100 but $127,000 spent

00:30:26.920 on crystal glassware

00:30:28.200 an average of

00:30:29.280 $117 a glass

00:30:31.400 that's insane.

00:30:34.940 Those are pretty

00:30:35.740 pricey glasses.

00:30:36.660 So they bought

00:30:37.040 a thousand of them

00:30:38.020 as or over the

00:30:38.740 last couple of

00:30:39.760 years.

00:30:40.820 They're customized

00:30:41.700 as well.

00:30:43.040 And you know the

00:30:43.620 funny thing is we

00:30:44.340 didn't really know

00:30:45.120 how much those

00:30:45.800 glasses would cost.

00:30:46.820 We thought what's

00:30:47.440 a really high end

00:30:48.580 comparison.

00:30:49.040 So we went to

00:30:49.680 the Tiffany

00:30:50.140 website, Tiffany

00:30:51.100 & Co, their

00:30:52.320 Canadian website.

00:30:53.400 You can buy a

00:30:53.940 wine glass from

00:30:54.760 Tiffany Ezra for

00:30:56.140 55 bucks.

00:30:57.680 So these glasses

00:30:58.580 that Global

00:30:59.140 Affairs has bought

00:30:59.760 are actually twice

00:31:00.600 as expensive as

00:31:02.180 Tiffany Crystal.

00:31:03.540 Yeah and that's

00:31:04.340 if you're a retail

00:31:05.320 customer buying

00:31:06.160 from Tiffany's.

00:31:06.740 I can imagine

00:31:07.220 if you said to

00:31:07.820 Tiffany I want

00:31:08.860 to buy a thousand

00:31:09.960 glasses they'd

00:31:10.860 probably give you

00:31:11.400 a bit of a bulk

00:31:12.140 discount.

00:31:14.140 The chutzpah

00:31:15.240 of this, Canada's

00:31:18.080 running a massive

00:31:18.600 deficit.

00:31:19.160 I remember

00:31:19.400 Justin Trudeau

00:31:20.020 telling a wounded

00:31:20.720 veteran in Edmonton

00:31:21.720 that veterans are

00:31:22.900 just asking for

00:31:23.560 more than we can

00:31:24.180 give.

00:31:24.960 But when it comes

00:31:25.660 to the lips

00:31:26.900 of our diplomats

00:31:27.840 nothing is good

00:31:28.880 enough for them.

00:31:32.140 Unbelievable.

00:31:33.080 And I just

00:31:33.580 I tell you

00:31:33.940 why don't we

00:31:35.040 let me I mean

00:31:35.560 great story

00:31:36.480 and I saw some

00:31:37.220 coverage of it

00:31:37.740 today in the

00:31:38.080 media.

00:31:38.440 Congratulations

00:31:38.800 to you.

00:31:40.180 But it's

00:31:41.020 nowhere near

00:31:42.060 the mania

00:31:43.020 that was around

00:31:44.480 Bev Ota's

00:31:45.180 $16 orange juice.

00:31:46.640 I mean this is

00:31:47.820 $117 a glass

00:31:50.580 and the media

00:31:53.060 party just

00:31:53.600 doesn't seem

00:31:54.140 to be revved

00:31:54.740 up about it.

00:31:56.500 Yeah it is

00:31:57.240 really strange.

00:31:58.220 You know this

00:31:58.520 is more money.

00:31:59.960 It's not one

00:32:00.640 glass of orange

00:32:01.280 juice.

00:32:01.540 It's a thousand

00:32:02.380 crystal glasses

00:32:04.000 here.

00:32:04.900 And you know

00:32:05.720 it's frustrating.

00:32:06.800 This is certainly

00:32:07.600 not going to be

00:32:08.000 the last one

00:32:08.780 from Global

00:32:09.460 Affairs.

00:32:09.880 I can tell you

00:32:10.600 we actually had

00:32:11.700 there's a

00:32:12.060 conscientious person

00:32:12.960 inside Global

00:32:13.900 Affairs and an

00:32:14.660 honest person

00:32:15.200 who sent us

00:32:15.660 some tips.

00:32:16.320 So there's at

00:32:16.880 least one good

00:32:17.580 person in there

00:32:18.220 that realized

00:32:18.960 that this was 0.98

00:32:19.400 ridiculous and 0.94

00:32:20.320 sent us this tip 0.99

00:32:21.220 on where to

00:32:22.160 look and this

00:32:23.580 is not going to

00:32:23.980 be the last

00:32:24.540 example.

00:32:25.100 So I certainly

00:32:25.540 hope due

00:32:26.560 attention is paid.

00:32:27.560 You know we

00:32:27.840 gave Bev Ota a

00:32:28.720 hard time for her 0.96

00:32:29.400 orange juice but we

00:32:30.140 think this is on a

00:32:31.420 whole other level

00:32:32.180 in terms of waste.

00:32:33.480 I mean I think

00:32:34.040 that in any

00:32:34.940 corporation the

00:32:35.700 corporate culture

00:32:36.300 is largely set by

00:32:37.360 the leader.

00:32:38.620 And I know you

00:32:39.800 guys are non-partisan

00:32:40.820 and I'm not going

00:32:41.480 to ask you to weigh

00:32:42.880 in on partisan

00:32:43.520 matters but Stephen

00:32:44.420 Harper was a bit

00:32:45.500 of a penny

00:32:45.900 pincher.

00:32:46.360 He lived in

00:32:46.840 24 Sussex Drive.

00:32:48.060 He didn't go for

00:32:48.880 the big renos.

00:32:50.940 A fairly modest

00:32:52.260 lifestyle and I

00:32:53.780 think that trickled

00:32:54.440 down to the

00:32:54.900 government and

00:32:55.600 compared to

00:32:57.040 Justin Trudeau for

00:32:57.960 whom 24 Sussex

00:32:59.020 Drive is not

00:33:00.260 nice enough he

00:33:01.400 has his chef work

00:33:02.480 there but that's

00:33:03.640 it.

00:33:04.200 He has two

00:33:04.920 nannies on the

00:33:05.920 government dime.

00:33:08.480 He jets around

00:33:10.200 luxuriously.

00:33:11.320 So I think that

00:33:12.040 everyone in oh

00:33:13.620 and I remember

00:33:14.520 when Gerald

00:33:15.100 Butts his 0.92

00:33:15.600 principal secretary

00:33:16.340 moved down the

00:33:16.960 highway from

00:33:17.500 Toronto to Ottawa

00:33:18.720 he billed almost

00:33:19.500 200 grand in

00:33:20.200 moving expenses.

00:33:22.100 If the leader's

00:33:23.300 office parties like

00:33:24.460 a rock star it's

00:33:26.360 not surprising that

00:33:27.540 everyone around him

00:33:28.340 says oh that's how

00:33:29.840 we do it under

00:33:30.540 Trudeau we get

00:33:31.560 while the getting's

00:33:32.200 good.

00:33:32.600 It's no surprise to

00:33:33.660 me that these

00:33:34.580 people are ordering

00:33:35.440 a hundred thousand

00:33:36.240 bucks worth of

00:33:36.860 glasses because that's

00:33:38.540 how Trudeau rolls

00:33:39.440 right?

00:33:39.740 Yeah look I

00:33:41.280 think the political

00:33:42.320 leadership sets the

00:33:43.180 tone right?

00:33:43.940 You remember when

00:33:44.420 the Hartford

00:33:44.780 government came in

00:33:45.580 I remember Monty

00:33:47.360 Solberg one of the

00:33:48.200 cabinet ministers he

00:33:49.700 expensed the lunch

00:33:50.520 for his staff they

00:33:51.180 went to Subway they

00:33:52.340 went to Subway and

00:33:53.160 they had a very

00:33:53.660 modest lunch and we

00:33:54.600 thought that was a

00:33:55.280 great example of

00:33:56.420 setting the right

00:33:57.080 tone and you'll

00:33:58.660 recall when Justin

00:33:59.580 Trudeau won the

00:34:00.680 election and he

00:34:01.260 showed up at then

00:34:02.520 foreign affairs

00:34:03.160 building there were

00:34:04.360 cheers and you

00:34:05.280 really got the sense

00:34:06.120 from a lot of folks

00:34:06.760 in there that they

00:34:07.660 thought okay now it's

00:34:08.760 time now we can

00:34:09.660 turn the taps on now

00:34:10.800 it's time to spend so

00:34:11.880 we really hope that

00:34:13.080 this sort of thing

00:34:13.940 you know this

00:34:14.960 government needs to

00:34:15.560 do something about

00:34:16.160 it they've got a

00:34:16.700 17 billion dollar

00:34:17.480 deficit and it looks

00:34:18.460 like a good place to

00:34:19.700 start looking for

00:34:20.320 savings is somewhere

00:34:21.160 like global affairs.

00:34:22.280 Yeah I want to

00:34:22.680 one more example

00:34:23.980 because you released

00:34:25.440 this as well I'm

00:34:27.640 sitting on a chair

00:34:28.520 here I think we

00:34:29.620 bought it new most

00:34:30.420 of our office

00:34:31.020 furniture is used

00:34:31.940 it's a cushiony

00:34:33.260 chair it's really

00:34:33.740 comfy on the

00:34:34.440 tush maybe the chair 0.89

00:34:36.700 cost 180 bucks from

00:34:38.260 office depot or

00:34:39.560 whatever I don't

00:34:40.140 know I know that

00:34:41.220 it wasn't expensive

00:34:43.120 but it's plenty

00:34:44.000 comfy I sit in it

00:34:44.880 for hours a day

00:34:45.680 you have an access

00:34:47.740 to information

00:34:48.300 request also from

00:34:49.640 global affairs that

00:34:51.340 shows that Ottawa

00:34:52.660 or and this is what's

00:34:54.180 so weird about it

00:34:54.860 they ordered seat

00:34:56.540 cushions for the

00:34:58.320 Canadian embassy

00:34:59.240 down in Mexico

00:35:00.600 they ordered those

00:35:02.740 cushions from

00:35:04.200 Regina they spent

00:35:07.100 24,000 dollars on

00:35:10.020 86 seat cushions

00:35:11.420 that works out to

00:35:12.200 286 bucks per

00:35:14.780 cushion and that

00:35:15.560 doesn't include

00:35:16.160 shipping a cushion

00:35:19.480 286 just for the

00:35:21.460 cushion and then

00:35:22.800 there's the chair and

00:35:24.740 when you're in

00:35:25.240 Mexico City who

00:35:26.220 doesn't think I want

00:35:27.200 to ship those

00:35:27.860 cushions in from

00:35:28.800 Regina like because 0.99

00:35:30.800 I guess there's no

00:35:31.500 place in Mexico or

00:35:32.620 the United States

00:35:33.440 that's clear what on

00:35:35.840 earth are they

00:35:36.380 thinking dropping

00:35:38.100 24 grand on seat

00:35:39.800 cushions I don't

00:35:40.460 even get it you

00:35:42.520 know you couldn't

00:35:43.080 even come up with a

00:35:43.880 better story that

00:35:44.720 just underscores the

00:35:46.280 lack of common sense

00:35:47.520 when it comes to

00:35:48.800 ordering this stuff

00:35:49.660 as you say I'm

00:35:50.740 pretty sure you can

00:35:51.480 find comfortable

00:35:52.320 cushions in Mexico

00:35:53.380 City it doesn't make

00:35:54.160 sense to order them

00:35:55.200 from Regina and

00:35:55.900 ship them down and

00:35:56.940 beyond that frankly

00:35:58.060 as far I don't even

00:35:58.880 know where you'd find

00:35:59.920 a cushion for 286

00:36:01.560 dollars I don't know

00:36:03.220 where I would begin to

00:36:04.020 look for a cushion

00:36:04.760 that expensive but

00:36:05.700 apparently somebody at

00:36:06.880 Global Affairs knows a

00:36:07.880 place where you can

00:36:08.540 spend far more than you

00:36:09.800 have to but why not

00:36:10.920 it's not your money

00:36:11.660 it's just taxpayers

00:36:12.380 money and they don't

00:36:13.580 seem too fussed about

00:36:14.400 it and I don't even

00:36:15.260 get it I mean you have

00:36:16.700 a chair that has a

00:36:18.180 cushion on it to yet

00:36:19.740 did you have chairs that

00:36:20.860 didn't have cushions

00:36:22.020 how much is the chair

00:36:23.720 is this a chair cushion

00:36:24.880 combo I just I've never

00:36:26.900 heard of ordering 86

00:36:28.700 chair cushions and I mean

00:36:31.660 okay you go to Ikea you

00:36:32.860 can buy a little cushion

00:36:33.960 or a pillow 10 bucks 20

00:36:36.200 bucks 50 bucks I don't

00:36:38.840 even what is in a 286

00:36:41.440 dollar is it like stuffed

00:36:43.220 with goose down or like

00:36:45.440 unicorn fur or something

00:36:47.540 must be I mean I know

00:36:49.440 they're leather cushions so

00:36:50.720 they're nice cushions but

00:36:51.840 how you get the price up to

00:36:53.280 286 bucks is it's really

00:36:55.300 beyond me you know you've

00:36:58.000 identified just two tiny

00:36:59.540 examples glasses and

00:37:00.980 cushions but there must be

00:37:02.740 a thousand different line

00:37:04.140 items like this and I'm not

00:37:05.340 saying our our diplomatic

00:37:06.700 staff should not have tools

00:37:08.180 to do their job and

00:37:09.540 sometimes their job involves

00:37:11.100 you know hospitality and and

00:37:13.820 sometimes you have to be

00:37:15.180 fancy in the world of

00:37:16.840 foreign affairs although I

00:37:17.720 don't know why 86 seat

00:37:18.860 cushions come into it but I

00:37:20.760 just think that the culture

00:37:21.800 is get everything while you

00:37:23.280 can money's no object throw

00:37:25.700 another bail of hundred dollar

00:37:26.900 bills on the fire I truly don't

00:37:28.800 think there's a single

00:37:29.820 countervailing force in this

00:37:31.680 entire government that speaks

00:37:33.520 up for taxpayers whether it's

00:37:35.280 in the bureaucracy with the

00:37:37.220 spending or in the cabinet

00:37:38.920 table I don't think there's a

00:37:40.640 single person in this

00:37:41.840 government who's a grown-up who

00:37:43.720 would say whoa whoa whoa whoa

00:37:45.100 whoa shake your head what are

00:37:47.700 you doing you're spending the

00:37:49.480 public's money as if it's your

00:37:50.720 own private money I don't is

00:37:52.460 there a single force within

00:37:53.600 government that's a

00:37:54.360 countervailing pressure on this

00:37:55.640 well we know of the one person

00:37:58.160 inside global affairs but they

00:37:59.700 choose to remain anonymous for

00:38:01.260 obvious reasons yeah but you

00:38:03.000 know that's that's why we're

00:38:04.000 here we do the digging we work

00:38:05.660 hard to expose this sort of

00:38:06.920 thing and you know it's the

00:38:08.080 only way as where it's the

00:38:09.120 only way to create a

00:38:10.420 countervailing force you know

00:38:11.600 sometimes it feels like we're

00:38:12.880 playing whack-a-mole you nail

00:38:14.960 down spending on some area and

00:38:16.600 the government just spends it

00:38:17.460 somewhere else but you've got to

00:38:18.760 keep at it Canadians have to 0.94

00:38:20.180 keep at it it's it's the only way

00:38:21.860 you get change in Ottawa is you

00:38:23.200 shame them and make them pay

00:38:24.820 politically for it and

00:38:26.000 they're they're forced to do it

00:38:27.220 even if they don't want to

00:38:28.000 yeah well I hope you're right I

00:38:29.640 just wonder where the rest of the

00:38:30.740 media party is I it's just so

00:38:33.280 strange to me I mean there have

00:38:34.860 been some pickup of your news and

00:38:36.720 I grant it but this should be a

00:38:38.860 firestorm it's it's a little puff

00:38:40.800 of smoke and it and you're you're

00:38:42.380 doing the right thing I'm just

00:38:43.600 wondering where's where's the

00:38:44.740 CBC leading the national news as

00:38:46.880 they did with Bev Oda Aaron

00:38:48.160 congratulations to you and the

00:38:49.260 taxpayers we're a fan of what you're

00:38:50.420 doing keep it up

00:38:51.480 thanks a lot all right there you

00:38:53.600 have it Aaron Woodrick he is the

00:38:54.780 federal director of the Canadian

00:38:55.760 Taxpayers Federation I wonder what

00:38:57.960 my tush would feel like if I was 0.72

00:38:59.460 sitting on a $286 cushion all day

00:39:02.280 maybe it would just you know maybe I

00:39:04.040 would just I don't know have a

00:39:05.960 spring in my step or something who

00:39:07.700 knows maybe it's a massage cushion I

00:39:09.820 don't know I'll have to I'll have to

00:39:11.140 google that stay with us more ahead

00:39:13.000 on the rebel

00:39:13.440 hey welcome back on my monologue

00:39:25.940 yesterday about Trump's Supreme

00:39:27.060 Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh

00:39:29.280 Paul writes

00:39:29.940 Brett Kavanaugh sounds like a great

00:39:32.140 pick Trump may have two more Supreme

00:39:33.840 Court judges before he's done as long

00:39:36.300 as the picks are dedicated to upholding

00:39:37.820 the Constitution most should be happy

00:39:39.660 with it

00:39:40.140 well no no no most conservatives and

00:39:43.220 Republicans would be happy with it

00:39:44.380 but remember the courts want to

00:39:46.080 undermine the Constitution they want

00:39:48.680 to move to a living tree doctrine

00:39:51.080 where judges can invent new things all

00:39:53.840 the time and find discover new laws

00:39:56.720 within the Constitution that's how we

00:39:57.840 do it in Canada

00:39:58.480 Tammy writes 0.64

00:40:00.560 Ruth Bader Ginsburg is long past her

00:40:03.020 expiration date her public comments

00:40:04.600 about Donald J Trump reveal she is

00:40:06.500 incapable of being impartial and behave

00:40:09.620 in such a way to respect the Supreme

00:40:12.420 Court of the United States

00:40:14.380 yeah it really was unprofessional

00:40:16.200 of her and you know Donald Trump

00:40:18.300 you poke him

00:40:18.940 he pokes you back twice as hard

00:40:20.520 and he fired right back in the campaign

00:40:22.360 she'll hold on as long as

00:40:25.400 she can 0.59

00:40:26.840 we talked to Joel Pollack about this

00:40:28.580 and he says that literally

00:40:29.700 they are there for life

00:40:31.420 even if they are medically

00:40:32.460 infirm

00:40:33.960 on my interview with Erica Kasrayi

00:40:37.200 John writes

00:40:38.600 praying for the end of the insane

00:40:40.640 Islamic revolution in Iran

00:40:41.920 that burdens, persecutes and punishes

00:40:43.660 the great Persian people since 1979

00:40:45.980 I wish Sting, Bono, Trudeau, Madonna

00:40:48.680 all feminists or anyone in Hollywood 1.00

00:40:50.000 of the CBC would speak up for Ma'eddeh

00:40:52.720 I think we will only hear crickets

00:40:54.720 from the left for her

00:40:55.940 thanks for the story Rebel Media

00:40:57.860 yeah I mean it's such an easy story

00:41:00.900 to get behind

00:41:01.460 you don't have to be technical

00:41:03.120 you don't have to know your history

00:41:04.900 or geography or politics

00:41:06.920 here's a young teenage gal

00:41:08.960 who's apolitical

00:41:10.360 she likes to dance in her bedroom

00:41:12.060 occasionally she show her belly button 0.93

00:41:14.280 in a belly dance

00:41:15.340 but nothing more flagrant than that

00:41:18.080 sings and dances

00:41:19.900 but that is a crime in Iran

00:41:22.000 she was arrested 0.68

00:41:23.020 forced to make a jailhouse style apology

00:41:26.700 and I didn't quite get her sentence

00:41:30.340 we know the other lady 0.99

00:41:31.720 was sentenced to 20 years

00:41:33.240 for taking off her hijab

00:41:34.660 but the story of Ma'eddeh

00:41:36.800 the 19 year old girl

00:41:37.980 how can anyone not get behind that

00:41:39.740 you don't have to be an expert

00:41:40.900 in anything

00:41:41.680 to say there's a girl

00:41:43.320 who's just doing some

00:41:44.100 Instagram dancing

00:41:45.000 and she was arrested

00:41:46.360 by cops in Iran

00:41:47.300 that's wrong

00:41:48.060 how easy is that to say

00:41:49.400 you're not right wing

00:41:50.080 you're not left wing

00:41:50.760 you're not Republican

00:41:51.960 you're not Democrat

00:41:52.680 you're not even

00:41:53.380 prescribing any solution

00:41:55.240 you're just saying

00:41:55.860 something wrong is going on

00:41:57.600 over there

00:41:57.940 and yet I haven't heard

00:41:58.680 a peep from Hollywood

00:41:59.480 you'd think

00:41:59.960 I mean she's an attractive girl 0.79

00:42:01.360 singing western songs

00:42:02.620 how easy is that

00:42:04.160 for some Hollywood lovey

00:42:05.840 to get behind

00:42:06.760 not a peep

00:42:07.360 not a peep

00:42:08.140 well that's our show for today

00:42:09.900 until tomorrow

00:42:10.660 on behalf of all of us here

00:42:12.060 at Rebel World Headquarters

00:42:13.000 good night

00:42:13.420 and keep fighting for freedom

00:42:15.140 so

00:42:16.780 we'll see you next time

00:42:17.580 get on

00:42:18.140 STEVE

00:42:18.520 we'll see you next time

00:42:18.640 at Abendoni

00:42:23.680 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - July 12, 2018

Trump talks tough to NATO — while Trudeau takes selfies & cuts military spending (again)

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