Rebel News Podcast - November 19, 2019


UK colleges urged to let anyone “identify” as black — and that's a good thing


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A university in the UK says you can be black if you identify as black. I think this is a great idea and I'll tell you why. Plus, a new branch of Black Lives Matter in Toronto and why it's not Canadian.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Do you remember Ali G? That was one of the characters of Sacha Baron Cohen.
00:00:06.920 He pretended he was a black, sort of hip gang member in London. I thought it was funny. 0.99
00:00:14.280 I think the humor was more built for British audiences. But one of his lines whenever he
00:00:18.900 would get into trouble was to say, is it because I is black? And back then, I guess you could make
00:00:24.220 jokes like that. I think he would probably be prosecuted for hate speech today. But here's
00:00:29.080 the good news. The Universities Council in the UK has announced that they think you should be able to
00:00:37.000 be whatever race you choose just by self-identifying. So I guess Ali G isn't that crazy after all.
00:00:44.900 Anyways, I take you through that today and why I think it's a great idea.
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00:01:13.000 Tonight, a university says that you can be black if you identify as black. I think this is a great 1.00
00:01:34.420 idea and I'll tell you why. It's November 18th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:41.100 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:44.800 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:48.880 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
00:01:53.480 bloody right to do so. Hey, I have a question for you. Was Barack Obama the first black president? 0.99
00:02:06.540 Well, of course he was. That's him with his dad. But actually, he's half black. His mom,
00:02:13.840 pictured here, was white. So was he black? Well, sure he was. But it's not what some black Americans, 0.53
00:02:23.220 like Tariq Nasheed, would call a true black American because Obama was not a descendant
00:02:29.400 of slaves. His dad was an exchange student from Kenya who met his white mom and then he had to
00:02:35.360 go back to Kenya because he was found to have had a second wife back home and that's illegal in
00:02:40.520 America. To some purists, though, that means Barack Obama doesn't understand the true black experience.
00:02:47.300 Slavery, emancipation, Ben Jim Crow laws and desegregation. These are all complicated subjects
00:02:53.040 that I don't have a natural expertise in. Luckily, here in Canada, we avoided most of these prickly
00:02:59.040 problems because the British Empire banned slavery centuries ago. It's just not our story.
00:03:06.920 But some of the remedies proposed in the United States splash across our border too. We simply don't
00:03:13.580 have the legacy of slavery. We just don't. But an American lobby group called Black Lives Matter
00:03:19.540 has set up a branch plant here in Toronto. It's weird. It's so fake. It's so manufactured.
00:03:26.740 It's not Canadian at all. It's got nothing to do with Canada. It reminds me of Occupy Toronto. Do you
00:03:32.280 remember that? A few years back, a Canadian knockoff of Occupy Wall Street and they set up this really
00:03:38.800 dirty, gross tent city in downtown Toronto. But it made no sense. I mean, Occupy Wall Street
00:03:45.240 was another Marxist project like Black Lives Matter that was in reaction to a particular
00:03:50.800 American story. In the United States, there, big banks failed. They had to have a massive
00:03:57.300 government bailout of the financial sector. That just didn't happen in Canada. In the 2008 recession,
00:04:05.180 we didn't have any banks fail and we didn't have a bank bailout. So it made no sense,
00:04:11.460 this Occupy Toronto thing, other than the traditional Canadian affliction of our inferiority
00:04:18.560 complex. We're wanting to compete with the U.S. in every way, even weird ways that don't
00:04:22.860 fit. Now, I'm sorry for that tangent. I'm just glad we don't have those issues up here.
00:04:29.800 But unfortunately, we have some of the solutions to their problems being applied to us here in
00:04:35.340 Canada, even though we don't have the same problems. On the banking side, that probably means
00:04:40.480 more regulation that we don't need. And on the race side, it has meant affirmative action. 0.57
00:04:46.760 And racial quote is another reverse racism, which of course is just plain old racism. It's unjust to
00:04:54.080 favor people of any race under law. If you want to have a private group, a private club, a private
00:04:59.100 religion, a private association, that's your right. But not for the government itself. We should be equal
00:05:04.540 before the law, regardless of our race. The universal symbol of Western justice is a woman 0.73
00:05:11.460 holding the scales of justice while wearing a blindfold. That's the key point. She's blind to
00:05:18.240 irrelevant criteria like race when making a judgment on the facts. So how's racism a good idea,
00:05:24.740 especially when the victims in the past, you know, the victims of affirmative action today,
00:05:32.860 rather, don't have anything to do with any grievances long ago. And the beneficiaries being
00:05:39.260 benefited today didn't suffer any harm years ago. Why are you rewarding people today that nothing was
00:05:44.820 wrong, done wrong to them? Why are you punishing people today who did no wrong? Again, there might be
00:05:50.700 some specific claim for actual descendants of American slaves. I don't know. That's an American 0.79
00:05:55.660 question, not a Canadian one. But I think we can all agree that, to use my earlier example,
00:06:02.120 Barack Obama did not suffer harm from American slavery because his dad only came to America as a
00:06:08.400 student 60 years ago. So why should his son theoretically get any benefits or compensation? But to my point
00:06:16.220 today, here's a new story from the Daily Mail. Anyone should be allowed to identify as black,
00:06:25.640 regardless of the color of their skin or background, say, university leaders.
00:06:31.440 Universities and Colleges Union has set out its stance in an ongoing gender row. As well as gender,
00:06:37.860 UCU says it also insisted people can choose their own race. British comedian Sacha Baron Cohen came out of
00:06:44.560 fire in U.S. over character Ali G. You know, I really like the Daily Mail. They have those great
00:06:49.300 headlines. And then they sum up the story in a few bullet points right away. I mean, you pretty much
00:06:53.420 got it all there. But you can understand the logic here, right? If this guy, Jonathan Yaniv,
00:07:02.220 can simply say, no, no, no, my name's Jessica or Jennifer or whatever it is, and I'm a woman.
00:07:08.380 And if he can demand that female estheticians must wax his genitals, his male genitals, if he can just 0.81
00:07:16.000 say that he's a woman and go into women's bathrooms, if male athletes who can't beat other men, but who
00:07:25.180 then just say, oh, you know what, today I'm a girl, and then go on to crush actual girls in sports.
00:07:29.800 If we have to go along with that, these are all trans athletes I'm showing you.
00:07:35.540 If we have to suspend our disbelief and actually use their pronouns, if we're going to do that,
00:07:42.840 why not say you're a different race and make everyone else abide it? I mean, it's actually less 1.00
00:07:48.300 crazy. I just mentioned that Barack Obama is as much black and white. It's just true. He's 50% white. 0.68
00:07:58.420 But you can't be 50% female. You either have an XY chromosome and are male, or you have an XX 0.97
00:08:06.080 chromosome and you're female. There's no halfway about it. But there is a halfway with race that
00:08:13.660 Barack Obama, there's a quarter way. There's an eighth, like if one of your grandparents is a 0.53
00:08:20.260 certain race. That's why racist regimes like US slavery in the South and Nazi Germany, they had to 0.99
00:08:28.120 have complicated math. In the U.S. South, they had phrases that we hate to even hear these days.
00:08:34.360 Have you ever heard the words quadroon and octoroon? Those are words that describe a certain percentage
00:08:41.380 of blood quantum. One-eighth, one-quarter, whatever. In some racist measurements, they use the concept of
00:08:48.280 one drop of blood from a certain race. In the Nazi Germany, they have the same thing. Have you ever seen 0.65
00:08:54.500 this chart before? They're called mixlings. You see that? Look at the chart. The one on the right is a 1.00
00:09:02.200 full-blooded Jew. Four out of four grandparents. Three out of four is a Jew. Mixling first degree, 0.99
00:09:09.780 and then mixling second degree. I think that's the same as an octoroon. I don't know my racial math.
00:09:16.200 If you were one-eighth or one-sixteenth Jewish, you were too Jewish to be allowed to join the SS, 0.90
00:09:26.500 but not Jewish enough to be killed. I know that sounds like crazy talk, but they had to have math.
00:09:32.800 South African apartheid relied on similar laws. Who is black? Who is colored? Who is white? In each of 0.65
00:09:39.900 these jurisdictions, there were also rules against intermarriage, by the way. But you see my point?
00:09:45.040 Sorry to show you all those gross things, but that's the point. If you're going to start
00:09:49.600 measuring, because you can be both black and white, and there's lots of different combinations.
00:09:55.440 You can be many races, actually. You know, there's a booming industry right now with companies like,
00:10:00.340 there's one called 23andMe. They let you spit into like a test tube and send them your saliva,
00:10:08.000 and they tell you what your genetic background is, what mix you are. It's not perfectly accurate,
00:10:16.140 but it's interesting enough. Which proved, by the way, in case you needed any proof that Elizabeth
00:10:21.460 Warren was lying when she said she was American Indian. She said she was Cherokee. In fact, she's at
00:10:29.500 most, at most, one 1,024th-est Native American. But even then, it's not actual Cherokee blood,
00:10:39.780 as she had lied, but rather a Central American gene they're measuring. Elizabeth Warren is a liar, 1.00
00:10:46.140 but she's the one who made a fuss about her race in the first place. And that's my point today. I know
00:10:51.380 it's taking me some time to get to it. That's why I like this idea of anyone and everyone just being
00:10:55.940 able to say what race they are by simply declaring it, like Jonathan Yaniv declares he's a woman.
00:11:02.400 Because Elizabeth Warren didn't make up the story about her race just to be more interesting. 0.99
00:11:11.240 She did it to get benefits, real financial benefits, to steal those benefits, really, 1.00
00:11:17.340 from actual Aboriginal people. She did it because it got her a job as a professor at Harvard. 0.91
00:11:26.760 They were under pressure to hire minority professors. She lied and said she was Cherokee.
00:11:33.040 And that was good enough to tick a few boxes, and boom, both sides won. Harvard could say they hired
00:11:38.920 a minority, and an otherwise insufficiently qualified woman could get a job at a top school. 1.00
00:11:44.760 Both were stealing, in a way. Harvard was stealing a reputation of being diverse,
00:11:50.160 and Elizabeth Warren was stealing a Harvard professorship and all sorts of other politically correct bounty 1.00
00:11:55.660 away from actual Indians. Of course she knew it was wrong, which is why she's been so defensive
00:12:01.740 about it since she was called out on it. And she has had so many versions of the story, so many alibis.
00:12:08.780 Warren says her great-great-great-grandmother is Cherokee, but genealogists have yet to confirm
00:12:15.560 that. Warren referenced a photo of her grandfather on her mantle as part of the family lore.
00:12:21.380 My Aunt Bea has walked by that picture at least a thousand times, remarked that her father,
00:12:30.260 my papa, had high cheekbones, like all of the Indians do, because that's how she saw it. And she said,
00:12:37.860 and your mother got those same great cheekbones, and I didn't. She thought this was the bad deal
00:12:44.900 she had gotten in life.
00:12:49.800 Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's a liar. And I actually think she's going to lose because of that 1.00
00:12:58.820 lie, and I'm glad she will. Because we all see what she's doing, what she tried to do. It's not just
00:13:06.620 Indians who were mad at her for stealing a position that was supposed to be for them. It's every white 1.00
00:13:12.980 person, woman or male, usually a white guy, I'd say, who realizes that she used that lie to jump ahead
00:13:20.420 of them. Anyone equally or more qualified than her, she leaped over them by lying about her race. And of 0.77
00:13:28.360 course, real minorities who realize she's a trickster stealing their loot. That job was for a minority. 0.97
00:13:35.300 She stole it from them. I truly believe that if she loses, and I think she's going to lose,
00:13:40.480 that's going to be why. Good. But that's why I welcome this news from the United Kingdom. Here,
00:13:47.920 let me read a bit more. Anyone should be allowed to identify as black, regardless of the color of
00:13:54.060 their skin or background, according to left-wing university leaders. The universities and colleges
00:13:58.940 union has set out its stance in a report on the ongoing row about whether men should be able to
00:14:04.600 self-identify as women and be treated as female, regardless of their anatomy. The UCU's position
00:14:10.940 statement did not just stand by its support for self-identification of gender, but also insisted
00:14:15.460 people can choose their own race, saying, our rules commit us to ending all forms of discrimination,
00:14:21.100 bigotry, and stereotyping. UCU has a long history of enabling members to self-identify,
00:14:25.340 whether that is being black, disabled, LGBT+, or women.
00:14:31.680 Huh. So you can self-identify as being disabled, too. Well, I'm disabled. I'm obviously fat.
00:14:43.660 I have a receiving hairline. I've come to terms with that. But that's a medical condition, right?
00:14:49.960 What's the fancy word? That's alopecia. I think that's a medical word for slowly going bald.
00:14:58.000 There are people out there who have too much flatulence. Look, I'm being scientific here.
00:15:04.240 I'm using medical words. I didn't say fart. But really, I don't need to be so factual. You can
00:15:10.480 just throw for down the floor. I mean, Jonathan Yaniv does it. He's not just a beautiful woman
00:15:16.080 because he says so. But you see him here? Look at him. He claims to be disabled. Look at him riding 0.97
00:15:20.740 that mobility scooter and getting a free ride in the government-subsidized handicap bus. But look at
00:15:29.700 this video. You see him there? And look, he ran like a bull. Strong like bull. He ran like a bull
00:15:36.260 when he wanted to. And look at him here. This is slightly less funny. Him coming after our David
00:15:44.440 Menzies with a cane. Yeah. He don't need no mobility scooter there, do we? Look at that. 0.72
00:15:51.040 What a wacko. He's about as disabled as I am, but he's self-identifying as disabled to get free 1.00
00:16:01.680 transportation and probably some sort of income. What are you? What are you, some sort of bigot?
00:16:06.320 You're denying that he's disabled? You know, a few years ago, this would have been the stuff of comedy. 0.99
00:16:12.620 There's a British comedian. He's Jewish and white, actually. His name is Sasha Baron Cohn. I think
00:16:18.780 he's pretty funny. Here he is playing a character in the great, great, great movie, Talladega Nights.
00:16:26.500 I give you one option, Mr. Bobby. As a sign of humility, if you kiss me on the lips now,
00:16:32.780 I will return to Paris and you will never see me again in NASCAR.
00:16:36.780 The answer is never. Do you hear me? Never ever. Well, yes or no? That's sick.
00:16:43.640 You guys have seen that movie if you haven't seen it. The Legend of Ricky Bobby, Talladega Nights.
00:16:53.500 It's funny. That's Sasha Baron Cohn. So he's a white guy. But one of his characters that he plays,
00:17:00.680 he's a Jewish white guy. He pretends to be a black gangster in the UK. And I've seen a ton of guys like this. 0.90
00:17:07.920 Keep it real. Keep it real. The member for Staines will be banned from the house. Is it because I is black?
00:17:16.360 Is it because I is black? He, you know, I don't even know if he's allowed to make that joke anymore.
00:17:22.580 But that's like his punchline. Whenever he gets in trouble, he says, is it because I is black?
00:17:28.420 Now, he's not black. But he actually presents himself as black. He came through America.
00:17:37.320 He met with a dozen celebrities, pretending to interview them. And I think he convinced people
00:17:43.040 he was black just by how he dressed and how he spoke. He was doing it as a joke. 1.00
00:17:49.320 Back then, he was self-identifying as black as a joke. And that was about a decade ago.
00:17:55.600 Well, it's not even a joke now. It's not funny now. You can self-identify as black. 1.00
00:18:03.560 The university council in the UK just said so. So did Rachel Dolezal. You know who, remember
00:18:08.500 who I'm talking about? Pretty white girl who just sort of said, no, I'm black. She actually 1.00
00:18:13.400 ran a local chapter of the NAACP until she was found out. You know, NAACP stands for the 0.89
00:18:20.480 National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. And they fired her. But why?
00:18:27.280 Why can't she be black? She probably has one 1,024th blackness in her. 1.00
00:18:33.740 I like this self-description thing. Because if everyone can be any race of their choosing,
00:18:41.280 it ceases to have any legal power, any legal meaning. Once upon a time, I bet that black 1.00
00:18:47.560 slaves in America, or Jews in Nazi Germany, or blacks and coloreds in South Africa, if they 0.97
00:18:53.880 could have simply identified as white or Aryan, you know, to avoid the laws against them.
00:18:59.720 Imagine if a black man in Louisiana in the year 1800 could simply say, no, I declare that 0.90
00:19:06.860 I'm white. I say so. So give me my full rights as a man. It's a strange hypothetical fantasy
00:19:15.000 to even express it. But if merely identifying as something were substantial or meaningful
00:19:21.220 in law, it would render racist laws inoperative, wouldn't it? I mean, this is crazy talk, but
00:19:27.460 we're in the realm of crazy here. Back then, in the past, in this hypothetical scenario, people
00:19:34.020 would have identified as white to get away from racist punishments against blacks or Jews.
00:19:39.380 Today, people could identify as black to get away from racist punishments like quotas, affirmative
00:19:45.960 action, and other set-asides. I like the idea. I think it could destroy racism today, at least
00:19:53.820 in some quarters. Now, I'm not for taking this fantasy all the way. There are some sorts
00:20:00.540 of discrimination that ought to be allowed. Like I said before, private groups should be
00:20:04.460 able to associate as they like. I think you should be able to have a women's sports tournament 1.00
00:20:09.700 that discriminates against men. You should be able to have a black student society, a Christian
00:20:16.380 club, whatever, based on your freedom of association. I believe in that. But I'm talking
00:20:23.360 about terms of government rules about race. I think we should get rid of them. And maybe
00:20:30.000 this insane idea from these insane professors in the UK of simply saying you are whatever race
00:20:36.800 you like to be, maybe that's the best way to do it. Stay with us for more.
00:20:54.300 Welcome back. Well, tomorrow and the next day, I'm going to be in my home province of Alberta. Now,
00:21:00.500 I know I've been here in Toronto for pretty much a decade now. That makes me a Torontonian. So,
00:21:03.740 I guess it would be the province of my birth. We're going to have two panel discussions on
00:21:09.300 Wexit, the Western exit idea. The first is tomorrow night, Tuesday night, November 19th in Edmonton
00:21:17.900 from 6 till 8 p.m. And the next one is Wednesday night in Calgary, 6 to 8 p.m. You can find out
00:21:25.640 details about each at WexitDebate.com. We're going to have Professor Barry Cooper with us tomorrow
00:21:35.320 night in Edmonton. We're having Lauren Gunter with us in both cities. Of course, Kian Bextie,
00:21:40.340 myself, and my good friend Sheila Gunn-Reed, who joins us now via Skype. Hey, Sheila.
00:21:45.760 Hey, Ezra. Thanks for having me on the show.
00:21:47.520 Well, come on. Thanks for being on the show. And I'll see you tomorrow in Edmonton.
00:21:51.320 I got to say, we only started advertising these tickets less than a week ago. We were a little
00:21:55.740 late in getting, I was late in getting the announcement out. But last I checked, between
00:22:00.300 the two cities, we have about 600 people signed up. And it's just literally every minute another
00:22:05.880 person is signing up. I think a lot of people are really interested in the subject.
00:22:10.640 Yeah, I do too. I think people want something more, something a little bit deeper, like a deeper
00:22:17.500 analysis of the issues. It's great to have rallies and it's great to have events, but people are really
00:22:24.820 hungry for the information about what WEXIT means, what that means going forward. If Alberta does have
00:22:34.620 to make some tough decisions, and I think they do, how do we go about making those decisions?
00:22:39.160 It's time to start having those discussions. And I'm really proud to say that we are, you know, a place of
00:22:45.900 discussion, a place of conversation, and a place of debate, where people can ask questions, try to get some
00:22:51.800 answers, and they won't be scolded or tutted by the mainstream media or our self-appointed moral and
00:22:59.360 intellectual superiors in the East.
00:23:01.100 Yeah. I have two things that are on my mind. The first is I interviewed the fellow who had the WEXIT
00:23:06.380 Facebook page. I think Peter Downing is his name, if I'm remembering right.
00:23:09.540 Yes.
00:23:10.180 And I got, I don't have a word to say against him. He's a good guy, but he's clearly, you know,
00:23:15.440 he had this cool word, WEXIT. He had the Facebook page and it's sort of, I'm not going to say it caught
00:23:21.640 him by surprise, but wow, it sort of caught him by surprise how many people signed up in the day after
00:23:29.040 the election. And he's got some bumper stickers and some hats and stuff like that. But I don't know if he
00:23:33.660 had a plan or a theory figured out, and I didn't want to grill him too hard when he was on. I just
00:23:40.560 sort of realized that he, he's for it in his gut. But my sense is, okay, that's this great starting
00:23:47.740 point. You got to have a fire in your belly and he definitely has that. But okay, is it a federal
00:23:52.520 party? Is it a provincial party? Is it Alberta leaving on its own? Is it Alberta with the other
00:23:58.300 Western provinces? Are you independent or are you having some sort of affiliation with the United
00:24:03.800 States? Like those are all real questions and I don't even know the answer to them,
00:24:08.160 but you got to start thinking about those things if it's going to be more than just a feeling in
00:24:11.900 your tummy, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I was actually at
00:24:16.500 our friend Danny Hozak's event over the weekend. And that was a lot of the sentiment that I got just
00:24:24.340 from talking to the crowd, talking to, you know, it's a, it's a gathering of conservatives. So you
00:24:28.120 feel right at home and, and, you know, it, people want to talk about separation or a re-examination
00:24:37.260 of what it means for Alberta to be in confederation. But there are a whole host of other issues involved
00:24:46.000 in that, that I'm afraid that, uh, Mr. Downing, like you say, I appreciate his capitalist nature
00:24:53.700 of being the guy with the website at the right time selling t-shirts. Look, I love that, but there's
00:24:58.700 other things at play here. There's constitutional issues, there's Aboriginal issues. Um, there's a
00:25:04.580 whole, our, and like you say, what is our relationship look like with, uh, the people around us,
00:25:11.540 whether it's BC, Saskatchewan, um, the North, uh, the Americans to the South. Um, and I don't think
00:25:18.520 there's really been that much in-depth examination of those issues. So I'm excited to hear what our
00:25:24.660 speakers have to say. You know, um, Jason Kenney has outlined his approach and it's clear he's doing
00:25:31.840 the Alberta agenda, the Alberta firewall. He's looking at getting out of the Canadian pension plan,
00:25:37.120 the RCMP. He's looking at doing a lot of things within the constitution, nothing really that Quebec
00:25:42.460 itself hasn't done. They have their own pension plan. They have their own police force. Um,
00:25:48.580 so he's clearly got a plan. It's clearly a federalist plan and he's the guy doing it and he's off to a
00:25:55.800 start. Um, you know, there's a couple of things that come to mind. Morton Blackwell's laws or the
00:26:02.200 public policy process. One is you can't beat a plan with no plan. Yeah. And the other is you can't beat
00:26:10.260 someone with no one. And what I mean by both of those applying here is, okay, Jason Kenney has a
00:26:17.880 clear roadmap. If there's someone else who has a different view, well, what's the plan? What's the
00:26:23.400 roadmap? And it has to be articulated. And again, is that Alberta only Alberta in the West? Is it stay in
00:26:28.920 the country? Is it someone talked about having a version of the Bloc Quebecois, like a new party?
00:26:34.140 I don't know about that myself. And then you can't beat someone with no one. Jason Kenney is a well
00:26:39.080 known and popular political leader who just won six months ago. Who would be the leader of this
00:26:45.100 Wexit movement? It's probably not going to be Peter Downing, the fellow I talked to. It probably
00:26:49.420 can't be just a professor. All those stranger things have happened. So again, you can't just have a
00:26:54.580 movement without a champion. Brexit had a champion named Nigel Farage. Quebec's referendums had a
00:27:01.840 champion, Rene Levesque, Lucien Bouchard. You have to have someone who can articulate the message and
00:27:09.120 get people dreaming about what it could be. Without that, it's just going to be a Facebook page and a
00:27:15.800 and a lot of chatter. Well, and besides having a charismatic leader, a Nigel Farage type,
00:27:24.800 that Nigel Farage type also has to have a lot of really smart people around him, advising him on
00:27:30.000 these big issues that, you know, there's so many issues that require so much expertise. There's no
00:27:35.740 possible way you can be an expert in all of them. And so I'm not seeing that team existing around Peter
00:27:42.160 Downing. Maybe it will. Maybe it'll coalesce. And I think if it is going to, it should happen fast
00:27:48.280 while the momentum is still there. I'm not seeing it. And I think, again, talking to some of the
00:27:56.900 people at Danny Hozak's event over the weekend, a lot of people are very, they're open-minded,
00:28:03.020 very open-minded. They're open to all, any and all suggestions, but they're very suspicious
00:28:08.540 of Jason Kenney. Not in that they don't trust him, but in that a lot of them felt as though
00:28:18.280 Jason Kenney is doing his best to contain Western separatism for the sake of the federal party and
00:28:27.220 the chances of the federal conservative party to ever hold government again. A lot of them are very
00:28:33.520 skeptical that there are a lot of bold ideas and tough decisions that Alberta needs to make. And
00:28:41.920 I don't think a lot of people trust our current political establishment to be willing to do those
00:28:49.120 things to really save Alberta from the rest of the country. Yeah. Well, I mean, as we've talked about
00:28:55.360 before, if you take out the 30-odd seats from Alberta, they're all conservative MPs except for
00:29:03.160 one. So you take those out of the game, and I think my math is correct in saying all of a sudden,
00:29:09.000 Justin Trudeau has a majority government because out of the seats that are left, you just took out the
00:29:14.380 hardest core conservative parts. He'd have a majority. It would be like America without Texas.
00:29:19.480 It's going to go Democrat forever. Yeah. So I think that Jason Kenney is keeping an iron in the
00:29:26.580 fire for a possible federal move himself four or eight years down the road. But there is one thing
00:29:33.600 that I'm going to try and dig it out of my library or my library, my boxes full of books that I haven't
00:29:39.520 unpacked in a while. Almost 20 years ago, maybe it was 20 years ago now that I think about it. It was.
00:29:45.940 When I worked on Parliament Hill way back in the day for Preston Manning, whose motto was the West
00:29:52.100 wants sin. That was 20 years ago. I made a friend, my counterpart, in the Bloc Québécois. And actually,
00:29:59.560 we've kept in touch since then. He's a great guy. And the Bloc and the Parti Québécois, the provincial
00:30:05.540 government, the provincial side, they started doing their homework, getting ready for separatism.
00:30:11.280 And they had scholarly papers. What will we do about currency? What will we do about embassies?
00:30:17.920 What will we do about passports? What will we do about free trade? How will we handle the military?
00:30:23.060 What about the existing military bases? They just started asking probably 50 practical questions.
00:30:31.540 And they had a policy paper or a research report. And it was like a five-volume how-to-separate
00:30:40.180 book. And it was to start figuring out the minutiae in case they actually get there.
00:30:46.700 This would be sort of the default plan. I think that that could actually, a lot of the questions
00:30:53.160 in there could benefit Alberta because the province of Quebec has blazed a trail on this stuff for 40 years.
00:31:01.540 Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things that I think is Alberta's fortunate to have Quebec around for,
00:31:09.240 is that they've done a lot of the legwork on this, right down to the Clarity Act. So we even know the
00:31:14.860 sorts of questions that need to be asked. And Quebec has figured out a lot of the answers already.
00:31:22.200 You know, for Quebec, not being in the country, they sort of have to figure out how to pay for all
00:31:29.280 to run themselves. Alberta won't have to figure those sorts of things out. I remember reading,
00:31:35.300 and I forget who wrote it, but should Alberta leave and join the United States, we would be the
00:31:41.740 richest state in the union. You know, we'd be far better off than North Dakota, than Oklahoma, than
00:31:49.280 Texas. We, so, you know, there's a lot of reasons for Alberta to leave. And on the flip side, I'm hearing just a lot of
00:32:01.420 nostalgia for why we should stay.
00:32:03.620 Yeah, that's very interesting. You know, I did say that I'm born in Alberta, but I've been in exile here in Toronto for a decade.
00:32:09.560 And the rebel itself is bigger than Alberta. We have a lot of supporters in Ontario, and we have supporters around the world.
00:32:16.440 I mean, I was just in the UK last Thursday for a Tommy Robinson event. We've got supporters there.
00:32:21.480 We have supporters in the United States who enjoy our work on issues that are international in scope.
00:32:28.400 Free speech, open borders migration, the threat of radical Islam. 1.00
00:32:33.280 Yeah. I think that the most important thing the rebel can do in the short term here is to be a good
00:32:42.100 faith house of debate. And when I say that, I mean in contraposition to so many absolutely awful things
00:32:50.960 being said in the Toronto Star, by the CBC, the Globe and Mail. Most of them start with,
00:32:58.240 Dear Alberta, we really like you. And as your best friend, we're here to give you some advice.
00:33:05.200 The advice invariably includes, Hey guys, stop denying climate change. And will you just shut down
00:33:10.760 the oil industry already? Okay. I mean, it's, it's, they're all, it's like they're made by a
00:33:17.980 kaleidoscope. The same stupid comments every time they all start with, as a friend, we, I really like you.
00:33:24.600 I've never been to the West and I don't even know anyone there and I don't really like you,
00:33:28.960 but as your friend, can I give you some advice? I know you're angry. I mean, it's, I read them and
00:33:34.980 I think my first reflex is how mad I am. And my second is, are you secretly trying to push Alberta
00:33:40.720 out? Cause that's, what's going to happen. Yeah. You know, there's nothing Albertans appreciate
00:33:46.700 more than scolding from Laurentian elites. Yeah. Those articles, I mean, it's a constant flow of
00:33:53.400 article too. And they all have the same sort of thesis in them. It's like, like you say,
00:33:58.280 dear Alberta, Oh, we really, really like you, but, um, you need to, uh, quit denying climate science.
00:34:07.160 You need to get off the oil sands. You need to diversify your economy, which also means get off
00:34:11.740 the oil sands. And it finishes up with quit whining. And that's, that's all it ever is. It's like one of
00:34:18.140 those backhanded comments. Like when you tell your, I don't know about you, but I have some
00:34:23.060 frenemies and I'll say, Oh, you look really great in those jeans. Have you lost weight? And it means
00:34:27.440 that I used to think you were fat. You know what I mean? Well, you know, um, for all of the,
00:34:36.740 for all these op-ed writers who say, Hey, you should get off oil. I think the obvious answer is
00:34:41.700 you should get off oil. Hey, writer from Toronto. Hey, writer from St. John's. Hey, writer from
00:34:47.820 Montreal. Why are you saying we should get off oil? We just make this stuff. You're the one who's
00:34:52.940 buying the stuff. When you stop importing Saudi and Kazakh or Azer, sorry, Azeri oil. When Quebec 0.55
00:35:02.740 stops importing oil from Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan, I'll be ready to listen to them talking about
00:35:07.900 quitting oil. They don't want to quit oil. They want to quit Canadian oil. Anyway, I'm getting off
00:35:12.960 topic. But for those of our viewers who are in Alberta, please go to WexitDebate.com. There are
00:35:20.360 still some tickets left in both cities, but, um, we're filling up. I'm really pleased with the,
00:35:26.060 with the turnout. Um, tickets are 15 bucks each. Uh, if you're with the CBC, we have a special rate.
00:35:34.640 Tickets are $40. And, um, I think that's fair. And, um, I guess that's it. I'll see you tomorrow
00:35:44.140 in Edmonton. I will have a full show on tomorrow night, but I will physically be out West. Last
00:35:51.220 word to you, Sheila. Well, I'm excited to hear from normal people what they have to say. I don't want
00:35:57.540 to hear what some Eastern elite wants Albertans to think. I'm here to listen to Albertans and I want
00:36:05.060 them to have the opportunity to have their opinions heard and to hear from some really smart people,
00:36:10.260 um, without being told that they're a bunch of bigots and sexists and homophobes, um, and climate
00:36:16.740 deniers. I want that, like you said, we are going to deal fairly with this issue and we're going to
00:36:23.280 make sure that all sides are heard. All righty. We'll see you tomorrow. Okay, right on boss.
00:36:29.580 That's our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed, chief reporter, bureau chief. She's got a lot of
00:36:33.900 things coming up this fall. I don't know. We haven't announced it officially yet. She's going
00:36:37.720 to the global warming conference the UN is hosting in Madrid. So, uh, she's covered every single global
00:36:44.480 warming conference since the, well, I think that's three in a row or four in a row now. I'm losing
00:36:50.520 an account. So Sheila's got a very busy fall before Christmas and I'll see her in Edmonton
00:36:55.720 tomorrow and Calgary the next day. Stay with us. Your letters are next.
00:37:09.540 Hey, welcome back on my monologue Friday about Baffinland iron mines laying off nearly 600
00:37:14.220 people in Nunavut. Colin writes, Nunavut has the world's highest male youth suicide and almost the
00:37:21.860 world's highest incarceration rates. I didn't know that, but it wouldn't surprise me. And when you
00:37:28.580 have such a small population, it only takes a few tragedies, uh, to make that reality. I have never
00:37:36.060 been to Nunavut. I've been to the Northwest territories. I've been to the Yukon. I've visited
00:37:40.520 Tuck and Nunavut, but not for very long and just once. But from what I've learned about the oil
00:37:46.840 sands and especially how they give meaningful jobs to people who live in faraway places who are often
00:37:54.140 Aboriginal, I have to think that this mine, I mean, I said it, I said it on Friday. I said it wasn't just
00:38:01.020 a financial benefit. I said moral and, uh, spiritual. I think I even said, I mean that how could an iron
00:38:08.560 mind be something moral or spiritual? Because you're giving people meaning. Get up and work.
00:38:14.620 We're depending on you. Uh, be an example, you know, and one of the issues they have in these,
00:38:21.140 in these remote communities, people are bored. They start using drugs or alcohol. No, you've got to show
00:38:26.020 up on time, sober, ready to work. It's a whole, it's a whole way of approaching the world that you don't
00:38:33.840 get when the government is the sole provider through welfare or handouts. I think that just
00:38:40.440 like the oil sands is the best thing that happened to so many communities in Northern Alberta.
00:38:46.240 This Nunavut mine surely is one of the best things, the best thing ever to happen to Nunavut. Now,
00:38:52.060 I, I grant that hundreds of those people laid off are not locals, they're contractors,
00:38:58.200 workers. But at least, you know, I think they said about a hundred of the laid off folks were local
00:39:03.240 Inuit. And there are many more who aren't laid off yet. This mine is the best thing. It's the best 0.99
00:39:09.740 thing up there. And I think you can have all your anti-alcoholism, anti-drug abuse, anti-suicide
00:39:16.020 social workers in the world. But if, but there's nothing like giving someone a job
00:39:21.880 to give them order and meaning and direction and a sense of satisfaction. You know, I learned how to
00:39:30.080 operate heavy equipment. I learned, I did something today that made a difference instead of sitting
00:39:34.740 around waiting for a government check. I love this mine, even though I've never been there.
00:39:39.740 Douglas writes, as one of the many workers laid off, it's great to see a national outlet like the
00:39:44.800 rebel giving it coverage as everyone else is busy licking the liberals' boots. It shows you folks are
00:39:49.700 head and shoulders above the propagandists in the usual pool of ineptitude. Well, thank you very
00:39:54.640 much, Douglas. I don't want to overstate my knowledge of the case. I really just read a few
00:40:00.540 stories in the Nazi Act news. And I also went online and poked around and read some old reports. And
00:40:07.500 of course, I had an amazing video from mine itself. I would like to learn more and maybe even one day
00:40:13.700 visit up there just to see with my own eyes what an astounding thing. It's so incredibly difficult to
00:40:19.340 get up there. In fact, I don't really think you can even get up there in a normal way. I wouldn't
00:40:26.920 even know how to get up there. I don't know how the locals do it. Obviously, the mine itself has its
00:40:32.680 own flights. It's so close to the Arctic. Look at it on a map. Look at it on a map. It's just
00:40:40.560 unbelievable. And that makes it all the more a miraculous achievement. And I say, you know,
00:40:46.920 when I went to Tuktoyaktuk a few years back, about 1,000 people live in Tuk. And they built a road
00:40:55.160 from Inovic to Tuktoyaktuk. There's 1,000 people at the end of the road. Let me tell this story.
00:41:00.060 You know how much money was spent on this road? A quarter of a billion dollars. There's only 1,000
00:41:05.740 people. Let's call that 250 families. So there's 250 families, and they spent $250 million just on a road.
00:41:13.920 That's a million bucks a family just for a road. And everything has to be flown in. Why? Why are we
00:41:22.940 doing it? Why would we spend, like, it's insane? Well, the answer is not an economic one. It's a
00:41:32.300 strategic one. It's a sovereignty one. It's a military one. It's a national pride one. It's a
00:41:37.680 nationalist one. If you want the North to be Canadian, then you must support that. If you want 0.83
00:41:46.340 the Danish and the Americans and the Russians and maybe even other, I don't even know who else is up
00:41:51.740 there, to plant their flag and have their towns and the military bases and their mines. You don't
00:41:58.120 think the Russians want that iron mine? You don't think the Chinese do? So if you want Arctic 1.00
00:42:03.840 sovereignty, it's going to cost you a few bucks because it makes no economic sense to live up
00:42:09.440 there. And thank God the Inuit like to live up there. That's where they're home. So good. Support
00:42:15.180 them. And that's not an affirmative action thing. It's not a pity thing. It's not even a welfare thing.
00:42:22.640 If you want the North to be Canadian, you're going to have to pay for it. And if you don't, 0.84
00:42:27.720 no problem. Why don't you save a few bucks? Don't be surprised if you see the Russian flag or the
00:42:32.660 Chinese flag flying in places like Baffin Island if we choose to retreat. So I love this mine.
00:42:39.800 It's amazing to me that a mine would help us. It's actually helping with our sovereignty. That's my
00:42:45.320 view. On my interview with Gerard Lucician, Liz writes, I finished reading the short paper by Gerard
00:42:54.560 Lucician. It's a good read and would be an eye-opener for a lot of Canadians. It makes me want to look into
00:42:59.620 our history further. We need to reconsider what we are constantly being told we can and cannot do.
00:43:05.700 Yeah, you know what? The different shapes on the map. And it wasn't that long ago. It wasn't that
00:43:12.220 long ago. To think that our map is unchangeable is simply wrong. I mean, it was only 20 years ago
00:43:18.080 that Nunavut itself was carved out of the north. Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow,
00:43:24.520 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:43:27.720 Keep fighting for freedom.