Rebel News Podcast - Untitled Episode

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a special full-length interview with the new leader of UKIP, the UK Independence Party.

00:00:05.860 It's May 31st, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:00:35.580 If the 2016 U.S. presidential election were an earthquake, well, the 2016 Brexit referendum in the United Kingdom was a warning tremor.

00:00:45.340 In both cases, the forgotten people, the little people, didn't do what they were told by the political, media, and business elites.

00:00:53.020 In the U.S., Trump voters were called the deplorables by Hillary Clinton.

00:00:57.640 In the U.K., they're just called the working class.

00:01:00.880 Well, victory went to them.

00:01:02.940 That was the result in the U.K. of a decades-long campaign by skeptics of the globalist scheme to integrate Great Britain with the European continent.

00:01:13.780 I'm sure there were noble reasons for that integration, to avoid a repeat of the horrific wars of the first half of the 20th century.

00:01:20.600 For economic prosperity and trade, those are good things, but with it came bad things.

00:01:26.180 You can give the EU the benefit of the doubt and call them unintended consequences, but look, it was inevitable.

00:01:31.920 The empire building by bureaucrats in Brussels, the corruption, the erosion of British sovereignty and democracy and the British rule of law,

00:01:39.200 all of that was predicted by Eurosceptics, and it all came true.

00:01:44.060 The European Union and its impenetrable bureaucracy took on a life of its own, and Britons were no longer masters of their own house.

00:01:52.880 Add in the terror of radical Islam and Angela Merkel's open borders experiment, and you had a perfect storm. 0.51

00:01:58.660 And the man of the hour was Nigel Farage, the charismatic, constantly smiling champion, the ultimate Brit, the happy warrior,

00:02:07.020 always posing for a photo with a 100-watt smile and a pint of beer at a pub, impossible to dislike, smart as a whip, and a brilliant orator.

00:02:15.460 Videos like this from his seat in the European Parliament inspired countless Brits to learn why the EU was a bad deal

00:02:21.700 and to find the courage to vote to break free of it.

00:02:24.420 Here's a speech from nearly 10 years ago, just great stuff even today, let's run a few minutes of it.

00:02:29.580 Good morning, Mr. Van Rompuy. You've been in office for one year, and in that time, the whole edifice is beginning to crumble.

00:02:36.340 There's chaos, the money's running out. I should thank you. You should perhaps be the pin-up boy of the Eurosceptic movement.

00:02:43.960 But just look around this chamber this morning. Just look at these faces. Look at the fear. Look at the anger.

00:02:50.380 Poor old Barroso here. Looks like he's seen a ghost. You know, they're beginning to understand that the game is up.

00:02:56.700 And yet, in their desperation to preserve their dream, they want to remove any remaining traces of democracy from the system.

00:03:05.600 And it's pretty clear that none of you have learned anything.

00:03:08.800 You know, when you yourself, Mr. Van Rompuy, say that the Euro has brought us stability,

00:03:14.040 I suppose I could applaud you for having a sense of humour, but isn't this really just the bunker mentality?

00:03:21.840 You know, your fanaticism is out in the open.

00:03:25.440 You talked about the fact that it was a lie to believe that the nation-state could exist in a 21st century globalised world.

00:03:32.620 Well, that may be true in the case of Belgium, who haven't had a government for six months.

00:03:38.140 But for the rest of us, right across every member state in this union,

00:03:42.220 and perhaps this is why we see the fear in the faces,

00:03:44.840 increasingly people are saying, we don't want that flag.

00:03:48.200 We don't want the anthem.

00:03:49.760 We don't want this political class.

00:03:51.520 We want the whole thing consigned to the dustbin of history.

00:03:55.220 So, yeah, years of work by Nigel Farage, UKIP,

00:03:58.920 started rising in the polls, the UK Independence Party.

00:04:01.900 The ruling Conservatives thought they'd take the winds out of UKIP's sails

00:04:05.840 by preemptively calling a referendum on the matter.

00:04:08.640 And to their shock, and that of the rest of the fancy people, Brits voted for Brexit, the British exit.

00:04:14.380 Glorious.

00:04:14.980 Farage left the party.

00:04:16.140 His chief goal now accomplished, left the leadership of the party.

00:04:19.520 He remains as a member of the European Parliament for UKIP.

00:04:22.560 And he now has other endeavours, including a popular radio show in the UK,

00:04:25.680 regular TV appearances, and regular visits to America,

00:04:29.320 including to visit his pal Donald Trump, who visited the UK on the eve of Brexit to support him.

00:04:36.480 Farage is no longer leader, and the UKIP party has had a series of leaders,

00:04:39.840 none of whom have endured or found success.

00:04:42.480 The party has fallen in the polls and had financial difficulties,

00:04:45.320 but maybe it has found its feet again with the leadership of Gerard Batten,

00:04:50.580 a colleague of Farage, who has been in the UKIP trenches for more than 20 years

00:04:54.540 and serves with Farage in the European Parliament as a UKIP MEP.

00:04:59.560 He's been in this leadership position since February.

00:05:03.300 And I didn't pay attention at first until I saw him consorting with our former reporter,

00:05:08.360 Tommy Robinson, in the UK, and publicly standing up for Tommy after his arrest.

00:05:13.240 That's more courage than you normally see in a politician, I thought.

00:05:16.340 So today we bring you a special show, a feature interview with Gerard Batten,

00:05:21.900 the new leader of the UKIP party.

00:05:24.540 Here's how our conversation went earlier today.

00:05:26.720 Welcome back.

00:05:44.420 Well, we have a very special guest now, someone who's of great interest to Brits,

00:05:48.560 but I think that Canadians and Americans should pay attention too.

00:05:51.980 His name is Gerard Batten, and he's the new leader of the UKIP party, the UK Independence Party.

00:05:58.200 He joins me now via Skype from his office in London.

00:06:01.580 Nice to meet you, Mr. Batten.

00:06:02.940 Thanks for taking the time with us today.

00:06:04.820 You too, Ezra.

00:06:05.460 Thanks for having me on.

00:06:06.620 Well, it's a pleasure.

00:06:07.980 We follow Brexit. 0.98

00:06:09.160 We started to follow Brexit before it even got momentum.

00:06:12.100 And the idea that the UK could untangle itself from the EU was so unthinkable back then.

00:06:20.060 And in my mind, it was like the idea of Canada removing itself from the United Nations.

00:06:24.660 It was an impossibility.

00:06:26.960 How did it go from impossible to having had happened?

00:06:31.720 How did that happen?

00:06:34.220 Well, I think it would be much easier to leave the United Nations than it is to leave the EU.

00:06:39.080 It's a lot more difficult.

00:06:42.040 How did it start?

00:06:43.000 Well, it started with people like me a long time ago.

00:06:47.060 You know, this whole thing has a very long history.

00:06:49.320 We joined the European Union, or the European Economic Community, as it was then back in 1972, 73.

00:06:57.460 And a lot of people weren't happy with that.

00:06:59.460 We had a referendum in 1975 on continued membership.

00:07:03.000 I voted against staying in.

00:07:05.540 And, of course, nothing happened for a long time.

00:07:07.900 And then I joined a small political party in 93 called the Anti-Federalist League.

00:07:13.020 18 months later, we changed our name to the UK Independence Party.

00:07:15.880 And it took us 23 years to get to the point where we had the referendum and achieved the referendum.

00:07:22.100 And it was a very, very hard slog.

00:07:25.300 And it was done through taking votes at the ballot box.

00:07:27.860 We have fought hundreds of elections, you know, by-elections, parliamentary elections, local council elections, all kinds of elections, in order to become an electoral threat.

00:07:37.400 And it was becoming that electoral threat which forced David Cameron to promise the referendum.

00:07:43.680 And I think he seriously miscalculated because he thought they were going to win, that the Remain side would win.

00:07:49.780 And, of course, we all know they lost.

00:07:51.240 And now, for the last two years, our political establishment has done everything it possibly can not to fulfill the obligation of the referendum, which is to take us out of the European Union.

00:08:01.520 So we're still in the middle of a big battle.

00:08:03.620 Yeah.

00:08:03.840 It's incredible, the attempts to thwart democracy.

00:08:07.940 It's reminiscent of the excuses thrown up against Donald Trump to try to delegitimize his vote.

00:08:15.260 Except for in the UK, it actually seems to be working.

00:08:19.140 What is the status of things?

00:08:20.960 Does Theresa May believe in Brexit?

00:08:24.200 Do the decision makers in her cabinet on this file, do they believe in Brexit?

00:08:30.220 No.

00:08:30.660 The problem that we have, Ezra, is that our political establishment, our big majority, doesn't want to leave the European Union.

00:08:39.080 Theresa May was a Remainer in the referendum campaign, as were most of her cabinet.

00:08:43.660 You have a few genuine leavers, like David Davis, that she put into the job of negotiating our withdrawal agreement, who has suffered endless frustration and has threatened to walk away, I believe, at some point.

00:08:56.560 And you've got a House of Lords, which are completely unelected, but appointed by the political parties, who are doing everything they can to actually delay the process.

00:09:05.920 So it is, I think, if this doesn't go through, if we don't leave the European Union, I think this will be the end of any real belief in democratic politics in the UK.

00:09:17.300 Because, you know, 17.4 million people voted to leave.

00:09:22.040 I think that it would have been a bigger majority if we'd have had a fair referendum campaign.

00:09:26.740 It was a very slanted campaign, but we still won.

00:09:29.320 And if this isn't carried through, I think you will see complete, permanent cynicism about politics and the political system.

00:09:38.380 So I think it's vital that it succeeds for a number of reasons.

00:09:42.260 First of all, to return democratic sovereignty to the UK, but also to restore any kind of faith in politics going forward.

00:09:50.260 Yeah. Well, in the United States, the analogy I gave, and it's not perfect to discredit Donald Trump's win, but at least Donald Trump is the decider now.

00:10:00.720 He is the executive.

00:10:02.900 The slow walking of the Brexit is an inside job.

00:10:07.000 The government that held the referendum clearly didn't want it, as you say, they miscalculated.

00:10:11.920 Let me put a question to you.

00:10:14.220 In the United States, and I know we're getting into the realms of hypothetical here, but if there was some way that the will of the last U.S. presidential election were thwarted,

00:10:25.720 nominally in a democratic way, but let's say if Donald Trump were impeached in a proceeding that seemed quite unfair,

00:10:32.980 I think Americans wouldn't be docile or passive.

00:10:36.100 There's still a revolutionary spirit in America, and not to be too dramatic, but at the end of the day, they have their Second Amendment and their firearms.

00:10:45.820 And I'm not saying anything like that would be on the horizon, but I'm saying it's the reason the framers of the U.S. Constitution put it there at the end of the day,

00:10:55.320 against the tyrannical government that ignored them.

00:10:57.440 My fear, and I'm hoping you can disabuse me of this, my fear is that the United Kingdom in 2018 has some courageous, brave people,

00:11:09.880 and from what I know about you, I would put you in that category, but it also has people who are passive, who don't know what they can do,

00:11:17.520 who are disarmed, not just in terms of firearms, but disarmed in terms of the media, disarmed in terms of the police,

00:11:25.240 the press, the politicians, the professors, they don't have anything left, and all they have left is cynicism.

00:11:35.300 They're submissive. Am I wrong about the character of the U.K. today?

00:11:39.680 I think that what we've had, well, you must remember, you may have experienced something similar in the U.S. and Canada.

00:11:44.860 We've had 40 to 50 years of people being told that they shouldn't be proud of their history,

00:11:50.480 they shouldn't be proud of their institutions, they should be ashamed.

00:11:53.260 We have to be part of this supranational political organization called the EU,

00:11:58.960 and we are governed by an elite across not just politics, but our police, our education system,

00:12:05.520 who are basically being infiltrated and taken over by left-wing, culturally Marxist, politically correct views.

00:12:13.840 You know, it's through every institution.

00:12:16.760 The ordinary people at the bottom quite often don't agree and rebel,

00:12:19.480 but they're very limited in how they can rebel against that because now if you say the wrong thing

00:12:24.400 or if you tweet the wrong thing, you can find yourself out of a job or you won't be offered a job

00:12:29.460 if people look at your history, because don't forget, everything now is, you know, on the Internet.

00:12:33.120 Very easy to see what people say, what their opinions are.

00:12:35.740 And we have people arrested now for ludicrous, ludicrous reasons.

00:12:41.400 We have had a man arrested on the street for reading the words of Winston Churchill out of a book published in 1898,

00:12:49.100 I think it was, on Winston Churchill's views on Islam.

00:12:53.060 We had a lady arrested the other day for wishing somebody a gay day. 1.00

00:12:57.440 Well, she was an old lady, probably using it in the old-fashioned means of, you know,

00:13:03.780 have a happy, carefree day.

00:13:06.160 But the police came around and knocked her door down and arrested her.

00:13:09.760 We have all kinds of crazy things going on now because everything has now been infiltrated

00:13:14.760 by these politically correct cultural Marxist views.

00:13:18.420 Now, I don't believe in a, you know, I would never advocate any kind of violent reaction to what's going on.

00:13:24.320 And I've offered people over the last 25 years that I've been in politics the option of putting a cross on a piece of paper.

00:13:30.360 Because if you elect representatives and you elect enough of them, they can change the law

00:13:34.600 and they can change the direction of a country.

00:13:36.900 And that's all we ask people to do.

00:13:38.660 And, of course, the problem with our political system is that we have what's called a first-past-the-post system.

00:13:43.620 I think certainly they have the same thing in America.

00:13:46.060 Maybe you do in the States.

00:13:47.640 Sorry, in Canada.

00:13:49.040 So, a representative can get elected on as little as 30, 35% of the vote.

00:13:55.340 65% of the votes are wasted.

00:13:57.740 On the continent, they have proportional representation systems,

00:14:00.740 which means that if you're a party like mine, you can actually win seats.

00:14:04.620 You can actually start to change things, as we're seeing in Italy,

00:14:07.320 where these so-called populist parties have been elected.

00:14:11.680 Well, UKIP was very popular going back a little while.

00:14:15.000 In 2015, when we got 13% vote, we got more votes than the Scottish National Party,

00:14:22.100 the Liberal Democratic Party, put together.

00:14:24.340 And yet we got one seat, and I think they got about 62, 64 seats in Parliament

00:14:28.700 because of the way that the first-past-the-post system works.

00:14:32.120 So, it's very difficult to change things in our country, but we're not giving up.

00:14:35.580 I think people realise that they're being betrayed over the withdrawal of the European Union.

00:14:40.740 And my job, I have a very difficult, I've probably got the most difficult job in British politics,

00:14:45.260 which is to rebuild UKIP's effectiveness and credibility as a fighting force and an electoral threat.

00:14:51.760 And that's what I'm going to be trying to do over the next 12 months.

00:14:55.000 Excellent. I want to talk to you a little bit more about UKIP,

00:14:57.200 and then I want to talk to you about Tommy Robinson, because that's on the mind of our viewers.

00:15:01.220 I just want to say I agree with everything you've just said.

00:15:03.440 My point about the American Second Amendment is that there's a spirit that the centre of power

00:15:09.520 resides with the people, not with the rulers.

00:15:12.640 And I suppose that's what I was alluding to.

00:15:14.560 By no way, by no means would I ever suggest a violent uprising,

00:15:19.700 but there's a spirit of independence.

00:15:21.500 They call it Independence Day on their July 4th.

00:15:23.440 They, and I think there's also something, getting to know Tommy Robinson over the last year when I would visit him,

00:15:33.000 I also became aware of the class strata in the UK.

00:15:36.780 In Canada and the United States, we just don't have that.

00:15:40.560 And let me ask you a question about that, and then I want to talk a bit about UKIP and a bit about Tommy.

00:15:45.900 And I respect, you're a very busy man, so thank you for this time.

00:15:50.300 No, no problem.

00:15:52.000 It seems to me that there's a lot of, I would call them forgotten people,

00:15:58.760 who are ignored by the elites you referred to.

00:16:02.100 And I think a lot of them, and this is just my one year's study, so you correct me if I'm wrong,

00:16:08.760 a lot of them historically have voted labor, and might be laborites on economic matters,

00:16:14.780 but when it comes to British sovereignty, borders, Islam, and the political correctness, 0.75

00:16:23.420 especially surrounding these rape gangs,

00:16:26.520 these traditionally working class labor supporters are looking for someone to stand up for them,

00:16:32.540 and the middle and upper class elites aren't.

00:16:36.880 And that's what's so interesting to me about Tommy Robinson.

00:16:38.880 We'll talk about him in a minute. 0.98

00:16:39.600 He's a working class football type, but I think people say shut up, shut up, shut up for 20 years. 0.98

00:16:50.100 And so Brits have nowhere else to go.

00:16:52.460 They wanted to go to UKIP, they go to Tommy, they're desperate for someone to listen to them,

00:16:57.340 and the elites are shutting them out.

00:16:58.840 Give me your reaction to that.

00:17:00.700 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:17:01.500 I mean, I come from a similar background to Tommy Robinson, I'm quite a bit older than him, I'm 64, he's 35.

00:17:07.520 But I grew up in a working class area, I come from that background.

00:17:11.620 I had a long career earning a living before I got elected to anything at the age of 50.

00:17:16.500 And I identify with those people, they're at the bottom of the, very often the bottom of the economic scale.

00:17:21.380 They're very often the people who work the hardest, pay the most tax,

00:17:23.880 and get very few benefits out of the system.

00:17:28.440 But they are the people who bear the brunt of the policies that our political elite visit on them.

00:17:34.680 Now, you can't vote for Tommy Robinson because he doesn't have a political party.

00:17:38.200 And when you do vote for something different, it's very difficult for that to make a difference,

00:17:42.980 as I've just explained.

00:17:44.040 But UKIP did make a fantastic difference in bringing about the referendum.

00:17:47.320 That was an enormous political, sorry, you know, a historic achievement to do that

00:17:52.360 and change the course of politics.

00:17:54.380 And the difficult job now we have is following it through and making sure that it happens.

00:17:59.360 Those people are forgotten by the elite.

00:18:02.480 You have elites now, not just in politics, but in education and law and all the professions.

00:18:07.680 But it isn't even true to say that all of those are in favour of the European Union

00:18:13.040 or the direction that we're heading in with political correctness

00:18:16.080 and the failure to address the threat from literalist Islam.

00:18:20.260 I did a TV programme.

00:18:22.340 I was on, there's a series of three-hour programmes I'm in last week, this week and next week.

00:18:27.220 And when I came out, I was in the street the other day after one of these programmes

00:18:31.460 had been broadcast and the lady came up to me and congratulated me on it

00:18:35.120 and said, you know, we've got to show everybody how awful the European Union is

00:18:39.280 and we have to leave as quickly as possible.

00:18:41.360 There's enormous undercurrent there that actually does cut across these political classes as well.

00:18:46.840 It wouldn't be fair to say that, you know, that there is a, it's a completely two different stratas.

00:18:51.900 There's a lot of crossover.

00:18:53.040 But then a lot of people are afraid to voice their opinions in modern Britain

00:18:58.080 because it can have consequences.

00:19:00.040 For example, I had an example, if I can quick tell you a very quick story.

00:19:06.400 We had a freedom demonstration and rally outside of Downing Street in Whitehall about a month ago,

00:19:13.300 which Tommy Robinson spoke, I spoke, a number of other people spoke on the subject of free speech.

00:19:18.560 A few days after that, I got a call from somebody.

00:19:21.280 A man had taken his children to this rally and then they'd gone to school on the Monday morning.

00:19:30.920 A five-year-old child had told the teacher that they'd been to this rally where, you know,

00:19:35.560 Tommy Robinson had been speaking.

00:19:37.760 And then the teacher said that she had informed the police because the child was in danger of radicalisation

00:19:44.920 and the father was called to the school to meet a police officer to discuss this.

00:19:49.820 Oh, my God.

00:19:50.560 Well, they rang me to ask me if I could help.

00:19:54.220 They, you know, the advice was don't go to, don't turn up, get legal advice

00:19:58.600 and demand this in writing before you do anything.

00:20:02.540 And I wanted to put that in the newspapers.

00:20:05.320 But the problem is the family are reluctant to have their names in the newspapers

00:20:08.300 because there could be other consequences.

00:20:10.800 So I think they're probably just glad that the thing has gone away

00:20:13.340 because the school and the police officer didn't want to put these things into writing

00:20:17.280 and demand that they turn up to a meeting.

00:20:19.160 But this is where you are.

00:20:20.560 I mean, this is not, you know, you'll hear anecdotal stories from people all the time

00:20:24.940 about things that go on, but they're very reluctant to have their names published

00:20:28.380 because this could have consequences for them, you know, later on.

00:20:32.280 You know, that reminds me of a story of a dinner lady, what we would call a lunch lady, 0.60

00:20:37.160 at a school in Northern England who was suspended because she went to a rally.

00:20:42.380 Tommy Robinson engaged there.

00:20:44.120 You know, case after case after case, this kind of, and I hate to say the word police state

00:20:51.000 because I don't want people to think I'm crazy calling the United Kingdom the mother of parliaments,

00:20:56.220 the source of the Magna Carta and our ordered liberty.

00:21:00.540 To call the UK a police state makes you sound crazy.

00:21:03.420 But that little anecdote you just described has the hallmarks of a police state,

00:21:08.640 and we have to talk about it.

00:21:12.200 You've been, we're going longer than we thought, but I want, but I'm just hanging on your every word.

00:21:17.420 This is so interesting to me.

00:21:19.620 Let me ask you a little bit about Brexit, because here in North America,

00:21:23.480 I think it snuck up on us as an issue, and we learned about it.

00:21:26.600 And we learned about it through the charismatic personality of Nigel Farage,

00:21:31.120 the former leader of UKIP, who I think his personal style and his energy,

00:21:40.020 at least it looked that way from here, was quite a decisive factor.

00:21:46.200 I think he's been on a well-deserved, I'm not going to call it a retirement tour,

00:21:50.420 but he's certainly hanging out in North America a lot, hanging out with Donald Trump,

00:21:53.760 and well-deserved is what I would say.

00:21:55.720 Has he disengaged from UKIP?

00:21:59.220 Do you work with him closely at all, or is he sort of in a different circuit now?

00:22:03.660 Is he semi-retired and just sort of taking a well-deserved victory lap, or what's he up to?

00:22:08.340 I think his focus is different now, Ezra.

00:22:10.680 I mean, I've known Nigel since 1992.

00:22:12.720 He's had an awful long time.

00:22:13.660 We've worked together all of these years in the same party,

00:22:16.140 along with thousands of other people.

00:22:17.540 Nigel was the front man, and excellent he was at being the front man,

00:22:21.460 but there were thousands of people behind him doing the donkey work.

00:22:24.520 None of us would be where we are if it wasn't for those ordinary members

00:22:27.900 who just give up their own time, effort, and money freely.

00:22:32.400 I think what Nigel's concentrating on now,

00:22:34.000 Nigel is actually the leader of a group in the European Parliament,

00:22:37.400 which puts him in the front row of the Parliament,

00:22:39.940 so that when there is a big debate, he is in the front row,

00:22:43.200 opposite the commissioner, Mr Juncker, et cetera, whoever's speaking.

00:22:46.320 So that's very important, that he has that voice,

00:22:49.660 because nobody knew what the European Parliament was in this country

00:22:53.300 before they started seeing the YouTubes of Nigel making his speeches,

00:22:57.220 and we even got broadcast on the mainstream news,

00:22:59.820 which is something that I don't think had ever happened before.

00:23:01.920 It's such a boring, dull place, you know, to start with.

00:23:05.660 So I think Nigel is now concentrating on that aspect of his work,

00:23:09.940 leading the group in the Parliament, but also in his media work.

00:23:13.020 He does, he has now built that media career,

00:23:16.640 which is very important as well, because that gives him a public voice.

00:23:19.240 He's on the radio in the UK.

00:23:21.380 He's got his own show on LBC Radio, his phone-in show,

00:23:24.720 and I know that he does a lot of work in the US.

00:23:27.260 So I've got the unglamorous job as the not very charismatic leader of UKIP

00:23:32.860 to actually, you know, try and pull things around on the domestic political front,

00:23:36.960 but it's all important, you know, whatever we do.

00:23:39.500 I hope I'm not being personal or troublemaking.

00:23:42.580 Do you have a good rapport with Nigel?

00:23:45.240 Is he supportive of your efforts in the UK itself?

00:23:50.800 I think that, you know, we have been colleagues for a long time.

00:23:55.060 I wouldn't say that we are great personal friends, that wouldn't be true.

00:23:58.360 But, you know, you don't have to be friends with people in politics

00:24:00.700 in order to work with them.

00:24:02.180 I have an enormous respect for what he's done,

00:24:05.260 and I think that he's appreciated of the fact that I've managed to make UKIP survive,

00:24:10.260 because we were on the edge of collapse when I took over in the middle of February.

00:24:15.460 Nigel had gone off a year or so before that.

00:24:18.280 Right.

00:24:18.500 Well, he went off after the – he decided to hand over the leadership after the referendum.

00:24:24.460 They came back briefly and then went away again.

00:24:27.260 And we were on the verge of financial collapse that we had about two to four weeks

00:24:33.200 and we would have become insolvent and the party would have disappeared.

00:24:36.180 So I was able to pull that round, mainly by an appeal to our ordinary members

00:24:41.820 who produced enough money for us to keep going to defunction.

00:24:46.020 I've now got it on an even keel.

00:24:47.820 And the challenge now is to find big money for fighting elections and to build the membership.

00:24:53.760 One of the problems in building the membership, Ezra,

00:24:56.160 goes back to what we were talking about before,

00:24:57.900 is people's kind of apathy now,

00:25:01.140 because they don't feel that what they do can make a difference

00:25:04.540 and they're culled and they are submissive.

00:25:07.360 And the challenge is to rebuild that fighting spirit,

00:25:12.700 which is something actually that Tommy Robinson is quite good at.

00:25:15.840 Yeah.

00:25:16.340 Well, it's interesting you mention that.

00:25:17.760 And I saw Majid Nawaz, who's a progressive Muslim,

00:25:22.080 who has a radio show on the same station as Nigel Farage.

00:25:27.060 For our Canadian viewers, he's similar in his approach to Islam

00:25:31.420 to our Canadian Raheel Raza, but he has a different background, of course.

00:25:36.660 And he said on LBC, that's the radio station in the UK,

00:25:40.160 he said, whatever else you think of Tommy Robinson, 0.99

00:25:44.100 it's because the establishment ignored these largely Muslim rape gangs 1.00

00:25:49.840 that Tommy filled the void. 0.98

00:25:53.060 And whatever else you think of what happened in Leeds on Friday,

00:25:57.560 it was the fact that the establishment did not solve a problem,

00:26:02.600 that Tommy was the solution.

00:26:04.020 I think he was very correct on that.

00:26:06.840 UKIP itself, Gerard, kept its distance from Tommy,

00:26:11.500 and I understand why.

00:26:12.520 Tommy has some criminal convictions and he can be rough in his style.

00:26:17.680 But you have changed that.

00:26:19.680 I saw an interview that Tommy did with you.

00:26:21.960 I thought it was very interesting.

00:26:23.540 And as you just mentioned, you spoke at Tommy's Day for Freedom a few weeks ago.

00:26:28.880 Tell me what decision you made to change the longstanding UKIP policy

00:26:34.240 to have arm's length from Tommy.

00:26:35.700 What are your thoughts on Tommy and why are you doing what you're doing?

00:26:39.820 I haven't really changed that much because I think I started talking about this subject back in 2006

00:26:45.240 when we had the bombings in London, you know, the tube bombings and the bus bombings

00:26:50.300 when lots of people were killed, 50-odd people were killed.

00:26:53.860 And I was then the spokesman on security and defence.

00:26:58.440 And I thought, well, I'd better find out more about the motivations of people that allow them to do these things.

00:27:03.160 So I started researching Islam a lot more than I've done in the past.

00:27:07.260 And the more I learn about it, the more appalled I am by it over these years.

00:27:12.240 And I have written about it.

00:27:13.580 I have spoken about it.

00:27:14.580 It didn't get a lot of high profile.

00:27:17.440 And regarding Tommy Robinson, of course, Tommy was set up the thing called the EDL,

00:27:22.540 the English Defence League, which wasn't really a political party.

00:27:26.480 It didn't run for elections.

00:27:27.460 It was kind of movement.

00:27:29.020 And the BBC immediately announced that this was a far-right organisation.

00:27:33.020 And I thought, well, I'll have a look at it and see, is it really?

00:27:35.220 Because I don't trust the BBC.

00:27:37.000 And, of course, it wasn't a far-right organisation. 0.99

00:27:39.540 It had been created as a reaction to these Muslim rape gangs, 1.00

00:27:43.960 which are prolific throughout our country. 0.99

00:27:46.040 But you would never know that through the mainstream media.

00:27:49.620 They've only recently started, you know, reporting on this.

00:27:53.100 Although, of course, they report the convictions of these gangs when the trials are finished.

00:27:57.720 And then we forget about it until the next one.

00:28:00.300 But I looked into this, and they were not extreme-right.

00:28:03.900 They were not hard-right.

00:28:05.220 Everything in our media, you know, our mainstream media,

00:28:08.340 paints people as fascists or hard-right or Nazis if they are not left-wing.

00:28:13.040 What I say now is if you're not left-wing, then you must –

00:28:16.200 if you're not – sorry, if you're not extreme-left-wing,

00:28:18.300 then they regard you as extreme-right-wing.

00:28:20.460 I mean, they've described me as hard-right.

00:28:22.320 And I've spent 25 years of my life in politics trying to restore our sovereignty

00:28:27.900 as an independent democratic nation, trying to make sure that our laws –

00:28:32.320 we're governed on their own laws, statute law and common law –

00:28:35.480 that we have a democratic government that we elect

00:28:37.480 and we can sack after the end of four or five years if we don't like them.

00:28:40.780 And that makes me hard-right in the eyes of some people.

00:28:44.100 Well, I regard myself as pretty kind of soft democrat, really.

00:28:46.980 But I think I'm astute enough to see when something is dangerous

00:28:51.180 and to want to address it. 0.79

00:28:52.620 And I think Islam is very dangerous for my society 1.00

00:28:57.300 and, in fact, societies across Western Europe.

00:28:59.920 And, in fact, I didn't meet Tommy Robinson fairly recently.

00:29:03.140 I think it was in – maybe it was about March, I think,

00:29:06.820 I first met Tommy Robinson.

00:29:07.860 I met him about three times.

00:29:09.620 And I saw him on the telly some years ago, the television, being interviewed.

00:29:13.980 And I thought, well, actually, he doesn't sound like a far-right, you know, thug, 0.87

00:29:18.880 which is what they'd like to make me up to believe that he is.

00:29:21.400 He sounds quite intelligent, quite articulate.

00:29:23.560 And when I've met him, he's actually quite – he's very charming.

00:29:26.500 He's very intelligent.

00:29:27.940 He's self-educated, like I am.

00:29:30.140 And he's not in the least bit racist.

00:29:32.400 But, of course, that isn't the image that the mainstream media wants to go along with.

00:29:36.980 It doesn't want to talk about the underlying issues.

00:29:39.720 And what I've done throughout the years I've been talking about Islam

00:29:42.700 is to say I'm talking about the ideology.

00:29:45.780 I have nothing against individuals and Muslims.

00:29:48.140 I think a lot of Muslims probably think it's a load of old claptrap as well.

00:29:51.540 But it's a cult that they live under and they're not allowed to speak out about it.

00:29:55.520 Or they personally will be in trouble with their own co-religionists. 0.98

00:29:59.260 But they probably think most of it's rubbish as well. 0.96

00:30:02.240 And, you know, but the people who hold sway are the extremists and the literalists. 0.82

00:30:08.920 In fact, I've met – I know I was at a conference a few weeks ago in London,

00:30:12.200 a small conference, about 50 people, who were ex-Muslims,

00:30:15.960 who decided that they were going to either convert to another religion

00:30:18.800 or were atheists, couldn't live under that religion anymore.

00:30:22.400 And these people have terrible lives.

00:30:24.600 They lose their families.

00:30:26.480 They're ostracized.

00:30:27.920 They're very often bullied and attacked in their own communities.

00:30:31.080 They have to move away.

00:30:32.720 And this is never reported on in the British mainstream media.

00:30:36.260 They just don't want to talk about these issues.

00:30:38.240 But they're very important issues.

00:30:40.600 My view is that a literalist interpretation of Islam has no place in Western liberal society.

00:30:46.880 Look at every country in the world where you have Islam in control of the politics 1.00

00:30:52.300 and they are not places that a normal Western person, used to freedoms, freedom of speech,

00:30:58.720 freedom of all the other freedoms we enjoy, would actually want to go and live,

00:31:01.440 unless they're working there on a high salary, of course, for a limited period of time.

00:31:05.120 How big of a place in UKIP's policies and battles is Islam, rape gangs, creeping Sharia law, open borders? 0.98

00:31:20.680 I mean, UKIP, the traditional symbol of the party, is the pound symbol,

00:31:25.900 which was very interesting and it smacks of patriotism and sovereignty.

00:31:32.260 It didn't touch on Islam at all and open borders was, wasn't,

00:31:38.120 I don't even think it was a big issue in the era you mentioned, 1992, etc.

00:31:45.020 Let me just put a question in.

00:31:48.500 Is Islam one of ten things UKIP talks about?

00:31:52.740 Is it half the things UKIP talks about?

00:31:54.700 Because no one else is talking about it.

00:31:56.280 Is it a dominant thing for you or is it secondary?

00:31:58.600 It has to be one of the things we talk about because most people, as they are in every country,

00:32:05.100 are concerned about their prospects, their children's prospects, the economy,

00:32:09.580 what kind of life are they going to have, what kind of life have their children got to look forward to.

00:32:13.420 One of the big problems in the UK is the difficulty in finding somewhere to live.

00:32:17.500 House prices are astronomically high in many places.

00:32:20.520 It's very difficult to rent property at a reasonable price.

00:32:22.740 And this is due to the mass immigration.

00:32:25.260 One of the reasons, one of the main reasons, is mass immigration into our country 0.55

00:32:29.140 and the effect that that's had on the supply of housing.

00:32:32.780 And I think it was the immigration issue that actually made people understand what the EU was about,

00:32:38.700 that we no longer govern ourselves because we can't control our immigration policy.

00:32:43.180 We have open borders to the EU.

00:32:44.800 And this is a very large element of the problem.

00:32:49.260 Now, keep going, please.

00:32:51.340 Sorry.

00:32:51.720 Well, in terms of how big Islam is, it's not going to be the main primary policy.

00:32:55.800 It has to be one of the policies because I have to appeal and my party has to appeal across the board

00:33:00.700 to as many people as possible.

00:33:02.680 And the things on most people's minds are the things I've just discussed.

00:33:05.580 What's the economy like?

00:33:07.320 What are their job prospects like?

00:33:08.720 What are their children's prospects like?

00:33:11.180 And they're the things I've got to address.

00:33:13.200 But Islam is one of those things. 1.00

00:33:16.040 It doesn't affect a lot of people because they live in nice places where they don't have the problems of rape gangs 1.00

00:33:20.940 or they don't notice them because it's not happening to them.

00:33:24.300 And therefore, it has to be one of a range of issues I talk about.

00:33:27.900 But, of course, the funny thing is, since I got this job and I go on the TV,

00:33:31.480 I've had various TV interviews where I've gone on there to talk about UKIP and its policies and what it wants to do.

00:33:38.260 And they constantly attack me on Islam because they think I can't defend myself.

00:33:42.700 So I've ended up spending more time talking about this than any other subject, not terribly,

00:33:48.120 but because they insist on raising the subject.

00:33:51.100 I have one last question, and it's been on my mind since Friday.

00:33:56.500 Tommy Robinson used to work for the rebel.

00:33:58.540 I feel some paternity for turning him into a citizen journalist, whatever credit or blame come to the rebel.

00:34:06.500 But he went independent from us earlier this spring, but we left on good terms and we support him morally.

00:34:12.660 We helped him out last year when he got into a spot of bother in Canterbury Court.

00:34:20.720 He had a suspended sentence from there for contempt of court.

00:34:24.420 We were not in a position to make the legal decisions for him this time because he doesn't work for us.

00:34:30.320 But we support him morally and we're concerned about things.

00:34:33.520 I'm concerned about a 13-month prison sentence because in a prison, if he's in an open wing of the prison,

00:34:41.520 he's likely to be attacked.

00:34:43.000 He's been attacked before.

00:34:44.560 And no one can do 13 months in solitary confinement.

00:34:47.700 I'm concerned about how quickly it was from arrest to hearing, to conviction, to sentencing.

00:34:54.580 He didn't have access to his own lawyer.

00:34:57.520 He didn't have access to a lawyer who's expert in contempt of court matters.

00:35:01.240 My own layman's view, I don't have all the facts in front of me, but what I can read is,

00:35:07.420 what I can see is he didn't actually violate the integrity of the trial.

00:35:13.400 He did not stand on the precincts of the court.

00:35:16.860 He did not call them rapists.

00:35:21.440 He called them accused rapists, so he didn't prejudge things.

00:35:24.860 He didn't give any details from within the trial.

00:35:27.780 He was just giving a general commentary.

00:35:29.320 So there's about three or four things that make me think what happened to him procedurally was wrong.

00:35:35.580 The substantive outcome of the 13-month sentence was wrong.

00:35:39.480 The four-day press gag order on top of it was wrong.

00:35:44.000 And I'm deeply concerned about Tommy as a person, about the rule of law in the United Kingdom,

00:35:49.540 and about the warning, the chill this sends to anyone else, should they wish to follow in Tommy's footsteps.

00:35:57.160 Those are my views, and I made them clear to all our supporters.

00:35:59.940 Would you like to give me your views on the subject, and what, if anything, you think ought to be done now?

00:36:06.380 Right.

00:36:06.620 Let me try and be scripturally fair on this.

00:36:09.120 I think Tommy sailed too close to the wind on this issue of the contempt of court thing.

00:36:13.120 He did have a suspended sentence.

00:36:15.260 He did go outside the court.

00:36:17.160 He was accused of potentially causing a breach of the peace.

00:36:20.780 He was arrested for that.

00:36:21.940 And the judge made the decision that there could have been a potential breach of the peace

00:36:26.560 because of what he was doing outside, and therefore has revoked his suspended sentence.

00:36:30.680 And he's now serving the sentence.

00:36:32.140 It was a three-month suspended sentence, and he's been given another ten months on top of that.

00:36:38.080 I think that is out of proportion to the offence.

00:36:41.420 He was outside the court.

00:36:43.220 He was filming, and I believe he only read out names of people that had already been published

00:36:47.560 on the BBC website, for example.

00:36:49.700 The judge made that decision, and in strict legal terms, he probably was within his rights

00:36:55.820 to do that.

00:36:56.320 In fact, he was within his rights to do that, to actually then rescind Tommy's suspended sentence

00:37:01.580 and enforce it.

00:37:03.340 But having said that, I think that Tommy Robinson has been sent to prison more for who he is

00:37:08.480 and what he says than his actual offence.

00:37:10.980 And you're quite right. 0.93

00:37:12.860 From what I'm told now, the prisons are very much under the sway of Muslim gangs, and we 0.99

00:37:18.740 have a phenomenon now in prisons called taking the mat, where non-Muslim prisoners convert

00:37:26.080 to Islam in order to protect themselves.

00:37:28.960 Tommy has been attacked in prison.

00:37:31.260 One of the things that my colleague did, Malcolm Lord Pearson, who's a member of the House of

00:37:35.980 Lords and a UKIP peer, is immediately said that if anything happens to Tommy, if he's murdered,

00:37:41.800 or if he is injured in any way, then he would take out a private prosecution against the

00:37:47.500 Home Secretary as an accessory after the act, and possibly for negligence in doing his duty

00:37:54.500 to protect prisoners.

00:37:56.360 Now, that was the kind of threat that Pearson made, to know that we're on alert, that if

00:38:00.260 anything happens, there will be a reaction.

00:38:01.900 And I think that that will protect Tommy because of the amount, not just that, but the amount

00:38:06.480 of public awareness of him, they will now be prepared to protect him in prison, certainly

00:38:12.240 hope so.

00:38:13.100 If people want to support him, I believe that there is a legal fund being set up.

00:38:16.980 I don't have, I can't tell you where to go on that.

00:38:20.120 If you Google it in, you'll probably find it.

00:38:21.760 But there is, even you may have started my answer, didn't you, for Tommy?

00:38:25.900 We had one to take on the publication ban, but that ended within one day.

00:38:32.400 So we are not currently fundraising.

00:38:34.760 Just for your own information, Gerard, I spoke with Tommy's wife, Jenna, and other family

00:38:40.600 members, and they asked us to hold off on any fundraising until they had proper instructions

00:38:45.920 from Tommy.

00:38:46.540 So we have actually not done any fundraising for Tommy, other than that publication ban matter,

00:38:51.760 which was only for one day.

00:38:54.600 And I understand that any other crowdfunding websites are not authorized by Tommy.

00:39:01.880 So that's just a little bit of information for you.

00:39:03.620 But please continue what you were saying.

00:39:05.960 Well, I'm waiting to hear to somebody who's been in contact with him, because as you may

00:39:09.740 be aware, he's only allowed two one-hour visits a month anyway.

00:39:13.240 So he's probably going to keep those for his lawyer and his family at the moment.

00:39:17.300 But I'm hoping to speak to somebody who's had a bit close contact with somebody who's

00:39:21.340 met him, so we can find out a bit more what it is that he actually wants to do and what

00:39:25.340 his wishes are.

00:39:26.700 On the reporting restriction, just say a word on that, because it is appropriate sometimes

00:39:34.280 for a judge to impose reporting restrictions, because not having them might prejudice the

00:39:40.100 outcome of the case.

00:39:42.280 But what's happened with these rape gangs is they are interconnected.

00:39:45.840 So you'll have a trial of a group of men in one place, and they'll be convicted.

00:39:52.380 And you might find that one of those people convicted pops up in another trial in another

00:39:58.200 place, because these things are a network that work together.

00:40:02.060 Therefore, the judge will impose reporting restriction, because they're not allowed to

00:40:05.960 say that somebody already has a conviction.

00:40:08.060 It might prejudice the jury, for example, and they don't want it reported on, at least.

00:40:13.060 But the danger here, of course, is this whole thing is being subdued and not talked about.

00:40:18.580 And the danger is that reporting restrictions may be imposed in order not to talk about it.

00:40:24.000 So I think this is something to be very wary of in case it's used as a tool by the establishment

00:40:30.640 to mean that we're not properly discussing.

00:40:32.400 Quite often now, you know, at the end of a news bulletin, you'll have, oh, another rape

00:40:36.520 trial in such and such a place.

00:40:38.400 You know, pictures of 10 or 20 men will be published.

00:40:42.020 That will be that.

00:40:42.760 It'll be in the paper the next day, and we'll forget all about it.

00:40:45.480 But this is a phenomenon that's been going on now for 30, 40 years.

00:40:49.400 It's been growing, and it's getting worse.

00:40:51.760 And if you read the accounts of what's happened to some of these girls, and they are little 0.74

00:40:55.280 girls.

00:40:55.740 I mean, you know, they're 9-year-olds, 10-year-olds, 11-year-olds that have been subjected to this.

00:41:00.160 And it is horrific, some of the things that have gone on.

00:41:03.460 It isn't even run-of-the-mill paedophilia.

00:41:07.360 It's sadism.

00:41:08.720 Yeah.

00:41:09.020 It's absolute sadism of what's happening to these little girls.

00:41:12.360 And our establishment is terrified of actually confronting the problem, because very often

00:41:18.260 the police have been negligent in doing their duty.

00:41:21.980 The authorities in the local councils who have a duty to look after the children, because

00:41:26.620 a lot of these girls actually were in children's homes, because they already had problem lives 1.00

00:41:31.260 anyway, and they haven't done their duty.

00:41:34.520 And the courts, you know, haven't done their duty either.

00:41:38.200 There should be exemplary sentences for these people.

00:41:41.900 There was a...

00:41:42.520 We have a double standard here.

00:41:44.300 This is the problem with political correctness.

00:41:46.160 You have different rules for different people.

00:41:47.820 You've had Tommy Robinson break an order of the court.

00:41:53.640 He's in contempt of court, and he gets 13 months.

00:41:55.900 We had a case last week of a Muslim imam who had been sexually assaulting girls in his class 0.75

00:42:05.040 when he's supposed to be teaching them the Koran. 0.57

00:42:07.400 And the judge didn't send him to prison because he said he has six children and his wife doesn't

00:42:11.900 speak English, so therefore he can't go to prison because his wife would suffer too much.

00:42:16.180 So I don't know who you would think had committed the worst offence there.

00:42:21.200 I know what I think.

00:42:22.240 And yet someone is spared prison, and someone else gets a very long sentence for a technical

00:42:27.260 breach of order.

00:42:29.720 Well, this is terrifying.

00:42:32.320 Every time I visited the UK with Tommy, I would come back with horror stories like that,

00:42:36.860 stories and things I would observe personally.

00:42:39.140 And I would always come back depressed that the United Kingdom of 2018 was not the ones that

00:42:44.740 we learned about here in Canada, the United Kingdom of Shakespeare and Churchill and freedom

00:42:51.700 and rule of law and a man's home is his castle and all the things that the UK has given to the world.

00:42:59.740 I find it deeply depressing, but I'm glad you're where you are, Gerard.

00:43:03.700 Can I say a quick word on that, if you don't mind?

00:43:06.720 We were a country with a fighting spirit.

00:43:10.020 We've preserved our freedom throughout history.

00:43:12.660 Every time we were attacked by the Spanish, the French, the Germans, we had a fighting spirit to protect ourselves.

00:43:18.160 But we were also a country, as you rightly said, that established parliamentary democracy, the rule of law,

00:43:22.980 and we were a very tolerant country.

00:43:24.480 Many people have come into our country and been absorbed.

00:43:27.540 But what's happened over the last 30, 40, 50 years is that our identity as English and British has been suppressed.

00:43:36.800 It's something we're supposed to be ashamed of.

00:43:38.940 We're supposed to roll over and let anybody come and do whatever they like.

00:43:42.960 And if you say anything about it, you're accused of being far right, Nancy or racist. 0.99

00:43:47.240 That's absolute rubbish. 0.68

00:43:48.300 What I would like to do, at least play a part in doing this going forward, in the same way I played a part in the referendum campaign in achieving that, 0.96

00:43:56.120 is to play a part in a process where British people start to get their self-respect and their pride back

00:44:01.820 and restore those things that we were famous for, our rule of law, our tolerance, but also our fighting spirit.

00:44:08.460 Not literally fighting anybody, but fighting against those things that would destroy us.

00:44:13.320 And we must restore our country, otherwise we're finished.

00:44:16.580 And you can see this across Europe.

00:44:19.200 And just sorry, I know I'm going on a bit.

00:44:21.400 I'd like to say something.

00:44:22.640 The term, have you seen this term populist parties is used as an insult now, a pejorative term across Europe.

00:44:29.320 Anybody that actually says, you know, we should actually look out for our own country and defend our own interest.

00:44:34.080 It's called populist as an insult.

00:44:36.400 Well, hang on a minute.

00:44:37.600 Aren't politicians supposed to be popular?

00:44:40.100 I thought that's how you got elected.

00:44:41.620 You had policies that were popular in the electorate and they voted for you.

00:44:44.500 But under our skewed upside down system now, the people who run our countries across Europe, the political elite, know that what they're doing is grossly unpopular.

00:44:55.100 And therefore, if you want to do something that the people want, you are a populist and there must be something wrong with you.

00:45:01.380 It's an inverted, you know, perverted system that we're now living under.

00:45:05.220 And I hope I can play a small part in changing that.

00:45:08.140 Well, I hope so, too.

00:45:09.660 I very much enjoyed our conversation today.

00:45:12.500 I had suggested only 10 minutes, but I couldn't stop asking questions and listening to your very thoughtful answers.

00:45:19.380 It's been a pleasure to meet you.

00:45:21.120 I feel like the UKIP party is in good hands with you and I look forward to your successes.

00:45:28.280 And frankly, I'm proud of you, Kip, for taking the stand that it has on Tommy.

00:45:34.700 And I think you have a balanced view and I hope we can keep in touch in the months ahead.

00:45:39.580 Thanks a lot, Ezra.

00:45:40.400 Any time.

00:45:41.060 I'm happy to talk to you if you ask me.

00:45:44.420 That's great.

00:45:44.860 I'll take you up on that.

00:45:45.680 And we have some other Brits who are with the Rebel, too.

00:45:49.400 Jack Buckby, Katie Hopkins.

00:45:50.980 We've got more than one troublemaker on our team, but I think that you're a bit of a troublemaker in your own way, too, in a good way.

00:45:58.840 And hopefully we can shed some light on these important issues.

00:46:02.180 Thanks so much for your time today.

00:46:04.040 You're welcome.

00:46:04.580 Thank you.

00:46:04.960 All right.

00:46:05.260 What a pleasure.

00:46:05.800 Bye.

00:46:06.320 That's Gerard Batten.

00:46:08.140 He is the member of the European Parliament for London.

00:46:11.940 He's the leader of the UK Independence Party, also called UKIP.

00:46:16.580 Stay with us.

00:46:17.860 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:46:20.980 Well, that's our show for today.

00:46:31.320 Normally, we keep these shows behind a paywall, but I think this one was special, and I want to put it on YouTube so everyone can see it, not just subscribers to The Ezra Levant Show.

00:46:41.140 And I think we've got to send it around to our viewers in the United Kingdom, not just to show who Gerard Batten is, but to show that there is some political support for Tommy Robinson, even though most politicians are hiding under their desks.

00:46:54.240 Well, that's it for today.

00:46:55.560 From Rebel World headquarters here in Canada to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:47:01.800 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - May 31, 2018

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