00:09:29.980But it's already written in the criminal code.
00:09:33.560So basically you're saying, if I don't deactivate or return at a loss,
00:09:40.920yeah i'm going to be in your case what are your losses you're telling me out personally
00:09:48.480i met gary and andis angry for the first time a few weeks ago when a toronto synagogue not far
00:09:56.020from my own house was shot up and gary had nothing to offer whatsoever see he's not so interested in
00:10:03.760gun crimes by criminals. He's much more interested in pressing law-abiding gun owners like sports
00:10:11.640shooters, farmers, or ranchers. Those are the guns that interest Gary and Anna Sangary. Joining us
00:10:17.540now to talk about Gary and his, and I'm calling him Gary because it's a little bit simpler to say
00:10:22.760that, and his failed firearms buyback project is Tom Maven. He's the Ontario Director and
00:10:29.760registered lobbyist for the nfa the national firearms association tom great to have you on
00:10:35.440the show thanks for joining us thank you very much for having me on you know i just can't believe
00:10:42.100the contrast with how lackadaisical gary ananda sangry is when it comes to actual places of worship
00:10:48.960being shot with what are surely illegal firearms like he has almost nothing to say about that
00:10:55.340He's reluctant to talk about that. But boy, he's enthusiastic when it comes to arresting law-abiding people if they don't give up their firearms, isn't he?
00:11:04.840That's for sure. We know he doesn't have any sort of firearm background because when he first took the stage as a public safety minister, he didn't even know what an RPAL was.
00:11:18.540An RPAL being a restricted possession and acquisition license.
00:11:22.700yeah i mean the liberals put in people who don't know uh i mean just if you ask them a simple
00:11:30.200question what is an assault rifle because they use that term a lot they have no idea what it is
00:11:34.560they they say it's something that looks scary um again it's not about actually solving problems
00:11:40.600it's about sending out a message track to their easily scared urban voters um distracting them
00:12:30.280However, compliance under the Act will not be voluntary as of October 31st when the current Ordering Council is set to expire.
00:12:41.620So with that, I want to just thank everyone who has already taken their civic duty seriously and enrolled in the program, and we look forward to others doing the same.
00:12:54.840This is a critical part of the work that our government is doing, in addition to the number of legislation that's before the House to ensure the safety and security of Canadians.
00:13:04.960And we believe that removing these prohibited firearms is one additional step in that measure.
00:13:11.100There are millions of firearms in Canada. The government thought they could buy back 136,000 of them. That was their plan. In the end, they had 51,000 guns by 26,000 people. In other words, a small fraction of Canadians decided to sell their guns to the government.
00:13:30.280I think that Canadians who have firearms simply don't trust the government.
00:13:36.120And I think the government is not trustworthy on firearms.
00:13:39.880And there was a bit of a menace there that he was suggesting it's voluntary for now, but will not be later.
00:14:06.160I wasn't entirely sure the purpose of their announcement there yesterday.
00:14:11.720Were they desperately looking for people to sign up or were they touting some great success?
00:14:20.620We certainly don't see what they've accomplished as a great success.
00:14:25.30026,000 people and 51,000 firearms, they know from their own records that there's 110 to 136,000 previously registered firearms that are now banned.
00:14:41.240So when they say that they're seeking 136,000, they're not including the potentially million to two million other firearms that are recently banned within the last six years by the federal government.
00:14:56.560And those are the firearms they're trying to take in.
00:15:00.480You know, I've noticed that police forces around the country, including in jurisdictions where liberals do well politically, police force after police force has said they're simply not going to put their resources into this project.
00:15:53.340I spent my last 20 years in police forensics.
00:15:57.120I was a CSI, and I'm a bloodstain pattern analyst, a shooting incident reconstructionist, and a forensic expert on firearms.
00:16:08.880But I was with the Waterloo Regional Police for those 30 years, and that police service is actually one of the ones that is participating now in the buyback scheme.
00:16:24.800And they're, I think, one of only three in Canada.
00:16:28.760So I personally find it a little disconcerting that Waterloo is actually taking part in that.
00:16:36.660Interesting. I didn't know that only three police forces are cooperating.
00:16:40.580I find that very interesting. And actually, I find it a little bit hopeful.
00:16:45.500I notice that the liberals keep talking about 2,500 different types of firearms that are banned.
00:16:52.360And I didn't know there were even 2,500 types.
00:16:54.760I think that they're just trying to find tiny little distinctions so they can have big numbers like that that impress and scare urban liberal voters.
00:17:04.960I don't think that the liberals know anything about firearms.
00:17:08.860I don't even think they have the vocabulary.
00:17:11.580I think if they were serious about gun crime, they would have a totally different focus.
00:17:16.700They would focus on illegal guns coming across from the United States.
00:17:20.740They would focus on the guns of choice.
00:17:22.360used by criminals. I mean, they're focused mainly on long arms, which is exactly what it sounds,
00:17:28.300a big, long rifle that you have to pull the trigger every time. That is typically not what's
00:17:34.580used in gang crimes or smash and grabs, is it? I mean, the kind of home invasions are not typically
00:17:40.200long arms. You correct me if I'm wrong. Well, I can correct you from personal experience. I haven't
00:17:46.620been a police officer. The firearms that they have banned, they started with the Armalite
00:17:54.040Rifle 15 or AR-15 and then banned many variants of that same firearm. So basically most of
00:18:04.380the firearms that they're banning have the physical appearance of an AR-15. And that's
00:18:11.040why they use the word assault style firearm rather than assault rifle which is incorrect of course
00:18:19.960because assault rifles have been banned in Canada since about 1978. You know I find this whole thing
00:18:27.700to be theater extremely expensive theater. I remember when Alan Rock set up the gun registry
00:18:32.940about 30 odd years ago and he spent billions on it. It's always been ineffective for its real
00:18:39.740purpose but i think its collateral purpose which is to demonize farmers and rural people has been
00:18:47.140a great success here here's another clip here's a liberal mp natalie provost who is saying anyone
00:18:52.960who is a skeptic of this is engaging in disinformation here let's let's take a listen
00:18:58.720the gun lobby and the conservatives want you to believe that no one supports the assault style
00:19:06.560firearm compensation program. Pierre Poilievre claims that we are, and I quote,
00:19:14.240confiscating hunting rifles and pop can guns that are used on farm, that we are banning farmers
00:19:21.660from dealing with gophers. In that compensation program, there is the Ruger Mini-14, which was
00:19:30.260used against me in Polytechnique. There's the firearm that was used at the mosque. There were
00:19:36.420some firearms that were used at Port Tappic. I don't feel I am a duck or a gopher or a pop can.
00:19:42.400So please, please help us stop that disinformation. Canadians deserve to register and to get their
00:19:52.040money back. They are honest, assault style. They bought their firearms honestly, with goodwill.
00:20:01.600And we recognize that. And so that's why there is that compensation program. But if they are not
00:20:08.560registered by March the 21st, they won't be able to recuperate that money. So please, please help us
00:20:16.460penned that information. It doesn't take long. It's just a few minutes. And by March 31, they'll
00:20:22.780be able to recover their money. There's still 19,000 models that are accessible for hunting,
00:20:30.240for sport shootings, so they can practice their activities. So please help us tell to Canadian
00:20:37.400that we're not grabbing guns that are made for dog guns or gopher guns. We are fighting
00:20:45.460against assault style weapon and it's important that the real message is heard please you know
00:20:52.380there's a bit of emotional blackmail in there but what i take away from that little rant was
00:20:57.840she acknowledged that the people she's targeting are law-abiding happy patriotic people like that
00:21:06.020that was the one thing of substance there other than her moral blackmail is her emotional blackmail
00:21:11.480is that she was saying, these people bought their firearms in good faith, legally licensed.
00:21:17.020We got to get the guns back from them. That's what she said. They are not the problem.
00:21:24.460They're, you know, people who target practice, farmers, that's exactly not the, I don't think
00:21:30.280there's a single farmer in Canada who has used an assault style weapon in a crime. I've never
00:21:38.180even heard of one. I was going to say ever. I'm sure there has been one in the course
00:21:41.680of time. But I think there's firearms used every single day in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver
00:21:48.220and other cities that are not like she literally said these happy law abiding farmers are good
00:21:54.640people. Well, then why are you taking the guns from them? I think she gave it away there
00:21:59.340maybe by accident. Well, first off, as a representative of the fire
00:22:06.980arms lobby in Canada, I'm quite pleased with the efforts we've made in correcting the disinformation
00:22:14.500from people such as MP Provo that you just saw in the video there. The information that she was
00:22:24.360providing that they were not going after hunting guns, duck guns, pop can guns, gopher guns,
00:22:31.440is incorrect, because they have been going after those types of firearms in their legislation.
00:22:38.240Simple .22 plinking rifles are on the banned firearms list.
00:22:43.700Duck hunting guns are on the firearms banned list.
00:22:47.380And for her to come out and say that publicly, that she is the one that is promoting disinformation.
00:22:54.320Yeah, well, that's sort of standard fare with the liberals on firearms.
00:22:57.540Tom Maven of the National Firearms Association.