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We need “sanctuary cities” that ignore lockdown laws

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In this episode of the Ezra LeVant Show, Ezra talks about a new kind of sanctuary city: a town that has declared itself a get-out-of-your-house sanctuary city, and why you should be mad at them.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Have you heard of a sanctuary city? Of course you have. It's usually used by
00:00:04.820 the left to say they're just not going to obey immigration laws. Well, how about a sanctuary
00:00:09.620 city for the right? A place where conservatives said, you know, I'm just not going to stay home
00:00:14.580 anymore. I'm not going to follow your house arrest anymore. I've got a story of a town that has
00:00:19.120 declared itself a get-out-of-your-house sanctuary city. You'll be interested to hear about that.
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00:00:56.440 Tonight, you've heard of sanctuary cities where they don't apply immigration laws.
00:01:11.640 How about a sanctuary city that ignored lockdown laws? It's May 19th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:17.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:23.820 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:27.880 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:33.760 Sanctuary cities, what a crafty, cunning name. Sanctuary comes from the Latin word for holy,
00:01:45.900 as if there's anything holy or moral about allowing criminals to break the law with impunity.
00:01:51.360 You know, I've done some reading about the biblical concept of a city of refuge.
00:01:57.840 Those were the original sanctuary cities 2,000-plus years ago. And they were not for murderers. They
00:02:05.640 were for people who accidentally committed manslaughter. Accidentally. They had to confess
00:02:11.680 what they did. They had to go through a trial of sorts to make sure they weren't truly immoral
00:02:15.940 murderers. And they had to atone. It wasn't a get-out-of-jail-free card. And it wasn't for morally
00:02:21.360 guilty people. It was for mercy and repentance. How different from today's sanctuary cities.
00:02:27.420 I hate even saying that word to describe them. Sanctuary cities. Here's a typical case.
00:02:32.620 A beautiful, young, law-abiding, innocent citizen, Kate Steinle, murdered with an illegal gun
00:02:38.840 by an illegal immigrant to California, a serial criminal who had been deported five times before.
00:02:45.140 He was literally playing some weird game of Russian roulette, firing his gun randomly, 0.74
00:02:50.040 seeing who he'd kill. But because it was a sanctuary city, an official policy,
00:02:54.220 they didn't warn the public about his release. They didn't hand him over to immigration officials
00:02:59.240 to deport him. And incredibly, he was acquitted of the murder of Kate Steinle, even though he
00:03:04.380 committed the ultimate liberal sin of using an unregistered gun. But he was an illegal immigrant. 0.95
00:03:09.380 So it's fine, you see. Sanctuary city. Sorry, that is not holy. That's not what the Bible said to do.
00:03:14.360 Look at this buffoon, the mayor of Philadelphia. 0.98
00:03:17.020 We are a sanctuary city. 0.98
00:03:20.940 I'm so angry with that, but it's not only an American phenomenon, it's in Canada too. Really,
00:03:26.160 the chief proponent is Justin Trudeau. It was his homemade tweet sent to the world back in 2017
00:03:32.640 that invited the world to illegally walk across the border at Roxham Road between New York State
00:03:37.700 and Quebec and just stay. There's a great big sign that says illegal at the border, but hey,
00:03:44.300 no fence and the police won't arrest you. In fact, they'll carry your luggage for you,
00:03:48.620 even during the time of the coronavirus. Remember what Kian Bexty found when he went there last month?
00:04:07.700 Do you guys realize you're jeopardizing the health and safety of every Canadian
00:04:19.820 by not screening these illegal immigrants for coronavirus? Do you even care? 1.00
00:04:28.300 The police have become bellhops, I kid you not. So yeah, when the prime minister of a country tells
00:04:32.820 you you don't have to follow the law of the country, it's not honorable. It's not what the Bible said a
00:04:37.180 sanctuary city was. It's lawlessness. It's a form of immorality. Either the law is valid or it's not. 1.00
00:04:43.180 Either the law is moral if it's not. Either it ought to be enforced or it should be changed.
00:04:49.400 That's the greatest problem with any sanctuary city, not the particular harm it overlooks,
00:04:53.880 but the general harm. That it sends the message that laws are only for certain people to follow,
00:04:58.600 not others. That it depends on who you are, depends on who you know, depends on the politicians of the
00:05:03.000 day. So for example, when the RCMP just stood by and let environmental extremists try to derail trains
00:05:08.920 just a few months ago, that's immoral. It's dangerous. It's a war on business and jobs,
00:05:14.420 but it shows that the law doesn't mean anything if you're the right political stripe in Trudeau's eyes.
00:05:19.740 We see a lot of that typically in left-wing big cities when they set up hard drug zones.
00:05:25.720 No enforcing of drug laws, actually supplying criminals with hard drugs. So yeah,
00:05:29.560 sanctuary cities, they're awful. They're dangerous. They are in no way the cities of repentance 1.00
00:05:35.500 contemplated in the cities of refuge in biblical times, but they exist. How about now? Normally it's
00:05:43.640 left-wing cities that want to scoff at laws, especially enforcing immigration, but how about
00:05:47.760 now in the pandemic, I mean? What about places now that want to, you know, go back to work? So sort of
00:05:54.760 the opposite from left-wing cities, I'm talking about probably more conservative people that
00:06:00.240 realized the pandemic panic was overblown and it's okay and safe to go back to work, even though all
00:06:05.600 the professional scolds and worriers had just got comfortable in their positions of power. 1.00
00:06:12.220 This is the official curve, as they say. This is not a model. This is actually what has happened
00:06:17.820 over the last few months. So it's done. It was a wave. It came and it went. Lucky for us, it didn't
00:06:24.940 capsize any Canadian hospitals. I think everyone was worried. We were told to stay at home for two
00:06:30.260 weeks while the wave crested. Well, it's been two months and it's pretty much over. I saw this just
00:06:39.020 last night, Saskatchewan. You know how bad the virus is there? Well, it's not bad. Not at all. There are
00:06:45.660 literally five people in the entire province who were sick enough to go to the hospital. Five!
00:06:52.880 Now, it's a province of nearly 1.2 million people, but a grand total of six people, total, total,
00:06:58.940 have died over the past two months. I'm sorry to hear about those six people who have passed away.
00:07:03.260 I'm sure they were loved and are missed. Six people passed away, five in hospital.
00:07:09.520 You know, by contrast, on any given year, you might have 100 people in Saskatchewan dying on the roads
00:07:16.760 and highways from accidents. It's not a perfect comparison. An accident in a car isn't viral or
00:07:22.700 infectious. But then again, the Wuhan virus hasn't been particularly infectious in Saskatchewan either.
00:07:29.320 And of course, a bad driver can kill you. So why are they on lockdown? Five people in the hospital?
00:07:37.760 Five people in the whole province. That means literally 99.9995% of Saskatchewanians are fine.
00:07:50.160 So why are they locked up? As it so happens, a number of industries are being allowed to open
00:07:55.700 today in Saskatchewan. Some retail stores, some shopping malls, some barbers. Boy, I'd like a barber.
00:08:01.720 They're open today, so that's good. But other things remain closed, and there are no dates for opening them.
00:08:07.840 Gyms, for example. Not that I would ever darken a doorstep. Now, I'm not picking on Saskatchewan.
00:08:12.940 The opposite. It's actually one of the fastest reopeners. I can just tell that Ontario is going to be the
00:08:17.920 slowest just today. They announced that they're not opening schools for the rest of the year.
00:08:21.480 Oh, thanks, for the rest of the school year. But back to the sanctuary city idea.
00:08:25.100 Let's say you have an out-of-control public health elite, unelected, just loves the fact that
00:08:31.100 they're famous now. They're on TV now. They're calling the shots now, even though they didn't
00:08:35.520 have to win an election. And of course, they're all getting paid. Show me someone who supports
00:08:41.400 the lockdown today in mid-May, and I'll show you someone who is getting paid no matter what.
00:08:47.060 Whereas gym owners, estheticians, tattoo parlors, these are the kind of thing that are still
00:08:52.100 banned in Saskatchewan. And of course, restaurants are severely limited, too. Well, they're not deemed
00:08:57.620 essential, you see, unlike politicians and bureaucrats. Except, of course, to the people
00:09:02.180 who want to go there or the people who work there for a living, pretty essential to them. I would
00:09:06.860 take a barber right now over any given bureaucrat. Look at this. Look at this, though. Isn't this
00:09:11.740 interesting? Atwater declares itself sanctuary city for business, allows owners to open. Non-profit
00:09:19.160 organizations such as churches are also allowed to reopen under the new resolution. Let me read a
00:09:24.260 bit. Atwater, California. The city of Atwater has declared itself a sanctuary city for all businesses,
00:09:29.900 allowing owners to open despite the state of California's stay-at-home order amid the coronavirus
00:09:34.160 pandemic. The Atwater City Council voted on the resolution on Friday afternoon, saying it,
00:09:39.060 quote, affirms the city's commitment to fundamental constitutional rights. This is America. You have
00:09:43.860 the choice. It's time for the government to stop dictating another month, another three months, six
00:09:47.400 months. Said Atwater Mayor Paul Creighton, when is it going to end? When everyone is bankrupt?
00:09:55.280 Non-profit organizations such as churches are also allowed to reopen under the new resolution.
00:10:00.180 That's how you do it. Remember we were all told, just flatten the curve and we're good.
00:10:04.520 Just two weeks. The curve is flat. Don't change the rules on us. So that's California, one town
00:10:12.240 rebelling against a power-mad governor. Across the country in New Jersey, a local gym just decided
00:10:19.280 they're done. They're done waiting. They're done watching their business die and done watching their
00:10:24.060 customers go unserved. So they just declared they're going to open up no matter what the governor
00:10:29.500 says. And look at what happened. Big crowd and the police showed up and then look.
00:10:35.120 We are and we're only here for everybody's safety today. We plan for the worst, hope for
00:10:47.560 the best, and it seems like that's what we have out here today.
00:10:51.720 So boys, you are all in violation of the executive order. On that note, on that note, have a good
00:10:59.880 day. Everybody be safe.
00:11:00.880 Thank you.
00:11:01.880 Thank you.
00:11:02.880 Thank you.
00:11:04.880 Isn't that interesting? It'll be interesting to see what happens in
00:11:34.840 Canada. Are we passive or will we stand up too? You got to love those Americans chanting,
00:11:39.780 USA, USA. Would anyone here chant, Canada, Canada, if we had a moment of freedom resisting
00:11:46.060 a politician like that? I regret to say that's just not us. We're much more submissive. And if
00:11:52.120 we did something free or freeing, I don't think that the word Canada would be the natural cry since
00:11:58.540 we're not as closely allied with freedom as our American friends. I say that with great sorrow.
00:12:03.600 But I know this. There are traffic jams in Toronto again. Not big ones, but irritating
00:12:08.980 ones nonetheless. People are going out and about again. I see some people with masks, but
00:12:13.440 plenty without them. Kids are having playdates again. People are getting tired of being prisoners
00:12:18.060 in their own home. Not that politicians ever followed those rules themselves. They're not
00:12:23.100 even hiding it anymore. They're going out. I like the idea of a sanctuary city for people
00:12:28.480 who want to work, who realize that there is very modest danger and that we know where the danger
00:12:33.180 is. And it isn't if you're under 40. You just aren't in danger if you're under 40. Full stop.
00:12:40.820 If you're over 70, you have some risk. If you're over 80, you have more risk. But it's not even your
00:12:46.300 age that puts you at risk. It's whether or not you're trapped in an institutional senior's home. 0.83
00:12:50.620 That's where 82% of Canadian deaths have happened, whether it's super spreaders who work there or bad 1.00
00:12:56.940 hygiene or a nursing home policy favoring euthanasia and non-resuscitation. Quebec is
00:13:02.700 especially, they're the worst about assisted suicide. They're very pro-euthanasia. I wouldn't
00:13:08.560 be surprised if we one day found out. That's why their numbers are so disproportionately large,
00:13:12.780 larger even than Ontario's.
00:13:14.200 But for the rest of us who don't live in old folks' homes who are under 70, we choose life.
00:13:22.160 We want to live. Maybe we could have some sanctuary for that. Stay with us for more.
00:13:28.360 Welcome back. Well, last night, a stunning, scorching four-page letter from U.S. President
00:13:46.460 Donald Trump to the World Health Organization laying out in meticulous detail the case against
00:13:54.320 the WHO, especially how it seems to have covered up and run errands for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:14:03.060 Just a devastating blow and so contrary to Canada's obedient submissiveness to the WHO.
00:14:09.560 Well, while diplomats and bureaucrats across the West discuss that document,
00:14:14.700 China has taken the opportunity to do what looks a little bit like an old-fashioned banana republic coup. 0.58
00:14:22.420 Take a look at this footage the other day from Hong Kong's Legislative Council. This is
00:14:28.660 where the roots of democracy in Hong Kong are. Looks like a coup to me. Take a look.
00:14:52.420 Well, that looks like something you would see in a South American banana republic coup by some generalissimo,
00:15:19.820 if I understand it correctly. The pro-Beijing legislators demanded to chair the committee,
00:15:26.060 and they had a ring of guards around them, banana republic-style, hauling out democracy candidates.
00:15:33.580 Just incredible to behold. But there's one man who can help us make sense of this,
00:15:38.440 a man who has been tweeted about directly by Donald Trump. I'm talking about our friend Gordon G. Chang.
00:15:44.820 You can follow him on Twitter at Gordon G. Chang. Gordon, great to see you again.
00:15:49.380 What do you make of what we saw from the Legislative Council in Hong Kong?
00:15:53.700 Am I accurate to describe it as a coup, or is it something more or less than that?
00:15:58.740 Well, it certainly looks like a coup. This was the House Committee meeting.
00:16:02.940 House Committee is important because it sets the rules for the Legislative Council,
00:16:07.860 which is the legislature for Hong Kong. And essentially what Beijing authorities were doing
00:16:13.100 was ejecting pro-democracy legislators. This has been part of a two-month or so effort on the
00:16:19.660 part of Beijing to take direct control of Hong Kong. So, for instance, Chinese authorities have
00:16:24.880 attacked the legal justification for the One Country, Two Systems formula, which provides autonomy.
00:16:30.640 They've tried to reduce the power of the district councils, which are firmly in the hands of
00:16:35.940 pro-democracy leaders. They've arrested 15 senior pro-democracy figures. The police have been engaging
00:16:43.480 in more thuggish tactics. And it appears that they actually may try to enact Article 23, or security
00:16:50.660 legislation, in Beijing at the National People's Congress meeting, which is upcoming in the next few
00:16:56.300 days. So this is a real broad-based attack on Hong Kong autonomy. And the world needs to stand with
00:17:02.460 the people of Hong Kong at this moment. Yeah. Well, it's very interesting, the war of words
00:17:07.880 between Washington and Beijing. Of course, what we saw there from the Legislative Council itself was
00:17:13.100 much more than words. I see, for example, Secretary Pompeo in the last 24 hours has sent greetings
00:17:19.840 to the president of Taiwan on her inauguration, using the word Taiwan, not Chinese Taipei, as the Chinese
00:17:29.320 like to do. And I saw Secretary Pompeo also referred to Tibet in the form of the Tibetan Panshan Lama,
00:17:38.000 a religious figure who was kidnapped, really, by the Chinese government 25 years ago. These are
00:17:43.360 sensitive subjects to Beijing. Help us understand what Secretary Pompeo is doing by speaking so strongly
00:17:52.060 about these symbolic human rights issues. Well, the Secretary of State knows that China is
00:17:58.880 extraordinarily sensitive about human rights violations. And they're especially sensitive
00:18:04.440 when American officials speak directly to the Chinese people, which is, you know, we heard last week,
00:18:11.860 Deputy National Security Advisor Matt Pottinger talk in Mandarin about the May 4th movement.
00:18:18.240 So, you know, these are important moves on the part of the U.S. to tell China, look,
00:18:23.120 we're just no longer buying it. And, you know, the Panshan Lama is a particularly disgusting event 0.95
00:18:28.360 where China kidnapped a six-year-old who was, of course, then called the youngest political prisoner
00:18:34.280 in the world for good reason. So what we're seeing is a brand new attitude on the part of the United States,
00:18:41.060 and it's come none too soon.
00:18:44.260 Now, I follow a lot of Chinese propaganda channels, not because I'm persuaded by it,
00:18:50.360 but because I want to know what China is saying. And I think you can sort of work backwards to get to
00:18:55.800 what they're thinking. And one of the English language propaganda arms I follow is called Global
00:19:02.220 Times, which has a real foreign policy flair to it, as you can imagine. In recent days,
00:19:08.480 they've been talking about China beefing up its nuclear arsenal. They've been talking about invading
00:19:16.240 the island of Taiwan. Like, it's such extreme language, so bellicose. I never, I mean, I was just
00:19:24.840 young during the Cold War, but I never recalled anything so belligerent from Pravda or Izvestia.
00:19:30.840 Is this just local propagandists trying to impress Beijing or blowing off steam? Or is this trying to
00:19:37.920 send a real message to the West that China will go to war if it wants to?
00:19:43.760 I think this is message sending to the outside world, because Global Times, especially when it
00:19:50.320 writes in English, is trying to propagate narratives around the world. You know, Global Times is used to
00:19:58.560 signal what Chinese leaders are thinking. And, you know, what you've talked about, Ezra,
00:20:03.760 this is just symptoms of what, in Beijing, they call wolf warrior diplomacy. China,
00:20:10.280 especially since the middle of February, has gone on a bender. We've seen boat bumping and other
00:20:15.500 incidents in the East China Sea and South China Sea against Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam,
00:20:21.760 Indonesia, Malaysia. We have seen China's ambassador to Kazakhstan saying that Kazakhstan should be a part
00:20:28.180 of China. The China's ambassador to Paris talked inappropriately about domestic French matters.
00:20:36.640 This is really a new phase of aggression, belligerence, provocation. And we've got to be
00:20:43.320 really concerned that something is really wrong inside of Beijing, because they could trigger
00:20:48.200 history's next war. Wow. You know, it's been some years since I visited Taiwan. And it was so evident to me
00:20:55.640 that the risk to Taiwan, and I'm speaking as a layman and an amateur, Gordon, so you correct me if I'm wrong.
00:21:01.000 The risk was not the stick. It was the carrot. It was saying, hey, Taiwan, you're 23 million people.
00:21:07.320 Here's 1.4 billion customers. You speak the language. Get rich off China. And like the NBA and like Hollywood
00:21:16.320 are doing, just stop talking about human rights and democracy and get rich. So that was the carrot.
00:21:21.700 And it seemed that the carrot was really working. This stick approach, part of me thinks it's going
00:21:28.760 to backfire that China can get more with influence and cash and markets than through this kind of
00:21:35.700 gnarly, you know, growling and teeth bearing. What do you think? Do you think that China's new wolf 1.00
00:21:43.820 warrior diplomacy is winning converts abroad? Or is it just, I mean, I can't, I can't imagine people are
00:21:51.020 saying, oh, I like this new bellicose China, or maybe people are. No, you know, you're absolutely 0.65
00:21:57.020 right. China's losing friends around the world, and it's losing them fast. And a lot of people inside
00:22:03.240 of Beijing know that. But I think this is being directed from the very top, from Xi Jinping.
00:22:09.320 And so nobody, at least at this moment, is really complaining about this in public. And this is a real
00:22:15.420 indication that China has gone really on a counterproductive bender. So we've got to be
00:22:22.060 concerned, because when countries act against their own interests, it means something is wrong inside the
00:22:27.580 political system. And that's exactly what's occurring right now from all we can tell.
00:22:32.920 You know, here in Canada, a major pollster named Angus Reid did a very deep study on Canadian opinions
00:22:40.480 about China. And it is the lowest ever. I mean, depending on what question is asked, like
00:22:45.600 Huawei and 5G networks, or should we increase trade with China, the numbers are as low as 11%,
00:22:53.800 depending on how the question is phrased. And that's despite our Canadian government in the form
00:22:59.260 of Trudeau and his cabinet being very obsequious to China. Are you aware of any opinion data in America
00:23:07.420 or around the world that shows grassroots citizens turning against China, especially places like
00:23:14.480 Africa, where China has tried to sort of dominate in the great game? Do you know how the, do you have
00:23:20.520 any data? I mean, in Canada, it was a real eye-opener. I haven't seen other polls like that. Have you?
00:23:26.120 Well, the Pew Research does this polling yearly. And their most recent results, which came out,
00:23:32.780 oh, I'd like to say about three weeks ago, showed significant drop in support for China in the
00:23:39.120 United States. And that was mirrored around the world. And that's largely because of coronavirus,
00:23:45.680 but also because of this new, very hostile diplomacy on the part of Beijing. And in Africa,
00:23:50.960 I think that what's happening is there's a feeling that corrupt elites there took on debt that these
00:23:57.400 countries couldn't pay. And over the next 12 months, we're going to see China have to renegotiate
00:24:03.620 many of these built-in road loans. So this debt trap diplomacy is not working out for Beijing in a
00:24:13.240 number of these countries. So, you know, China is really suffering setbacks around the world in its
00:24:18.560 image and its standing. Let me ask you one last question. I'm so grateful for your time.
00:24:23.480 And I don't want to keep you. And by the way, folks, if you're not following Gordon on Twitter,
00:24:27.620 you really must. I mean, look at this tweet from President Trump, who was watching Gordon on TV
00:24:33.720 during the height of the crisis. So obviously, we're not the only people who take advice from
00:24:39.900 Gordon Chang. Even the president does. Follow him at Gordon G. Chang on Twitter. He's one of the people
00:24:46.160 I absolutely don't miss because I know I got to know what's going on. Let me ask you a question,
00:24:50.800 Gordon, and then we'll let you go because I know you got other things. During the 1980s,
00:24:56.380 Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II not only spoke out against the Soviet Union,
00:25:02.640 but they actually quietly helped reform movements on the ground like Poland's Solidarnosc Trade Union.
00:25:09.920 They gave verbal support, but they gave some technical support too. Is there anything the West could or
00:25:18.560 should or even is doing to support alternative voices, especially amongst Chinese people, not
00:25:25.840 white folks, not foreign folks? But is there anyone like Alekh Walens'a that the West could help to have a
00:25:34.280 better future for China, more democratic, less belligerent? Do you have any ideas on that?
00:25:42.200 Well, right now, the world has much less of visibility into China than it once did,
00:25:47.500 and certainly less than Reagan and Thatcher had into Eastern Europe. The one thing the U.S. has been
00:25:54.900 doing, hasn't been putting that much in the way of resources, but is trying to puncture through the
00:26:00.680 Great Firewall, which is the most sophisticated and strictest set of internet controls. The U.S.
00:26:07.560 can do a lot more about that. And especially once it gets through the Great Firewall, it can then talk
00:26:14.040 to the Chinese people in a much more robust way than we do now. But right now, you know, there's a lot
00:26:20.880 on our list of things to do. And talking to the Chinese people should be much higher than it is. 1.00
00:26:27.040 Yeah. You know, I know some people who came to the West from Poland, and they talked about how those
00:26:33.780 broadcasts of freedom that they would sometimes get in Warsaw when they could find the right frequency
00:26:40.160 gave them tremendous hope. Even prisoners in Siberia, like Anatoly Sharansky, when he read Ronald Reagan
00:26:48.160 in Pravda denouncing the Soviet Union as the evil empire, even though it was surrounded by all sorts of
00:26:54.720 communist denunciations, he said that gave him great hope, even in prison, because he saw, ah, someone in the
00:27:01.280 West understands the nature of the Soviet Union. I hope that Donald Trump and America and other pro-democracy
00:27:08.460 allies around the world take your advice, Gordon. And we need to find allies in Chinese culture, in the
00:27:16.300 Chinese language, in China itself. That's my view, at least. It's great to see you, my friend. I hate to let you go
00:27:21.680 because I have so many other questions for you, but I know you're in high demand. Thanks for spending
00:27:25.780 some time with us, my friend. Oh, thank you so much, Ezra. And just by the way, this evil empire
00:27:31.480 comment, people in the Soviet Union said, yeah, of course we knew that the Soviet system was evil.
00:27:37.600 It just was a revelation that other people thought so as well. So when Ronald Reagan said evil empire,
00:27:43.180 it really shook the Soviet Union. Yeah, yeah, you're so right. Just simply speaking truth to power,
00:27:49.800 I think you're right. All right, take care. And there you have it, Gordon G. Chang. Great to see
00:27:53.100 you as always. Thanks, Ezra. All right, stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.
00:28:06.780 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about the state of rebel news during the coronavirus
00:28:10.560 pandemic. Paul writes, great to see things are going well. We need rebel news. We absolutely do
00:28:15.500 not want a Chinese-style government here. I wonder how long the U.S. will sit back while the Chinese 1.00
00:28:19.300 colony is being set up on their border. Well, as Gordon Chang said today, a public opinion around
00:28:24.920 the world is tanking for China. I have shown you Pew research numbers on China in the past. I didn't
00:28:32.240 know they had new numbers out. That's news to me from Gordon G. Chang, so I'll check that out,
00:28:36.060 and I'll probably do a show on that. Barry writes, raise your subscription rate. I would pay $12 a month.
00:28:43.380 Well, thank you very much. I don't know what the optimal rate is because, of course, I want a lot
00:28:51.720 of people to see it, and maybe $4 a month difference is not a big deal to you. It might be for someone
00:28:57.660 else. We have to think of what competitors are. I mean, how much does it cost to get Netflix or
00:29:02.360 Disney Plus or any of the streaming services a month? $8 a month I feel okay with. I mean,
00:29:08.080 I don't really want to increase the rate. I'd rather increase the number of viewers. You know
00:29:13.900 what I mean? On my interview with Manny Montenegrino, Lou writes, it's worth considering that Trudeau's
00:29:20.960 liberal government is uncritical of the Chinese Communist Party because they have bought influence
00:29:24.520 by funding the Trudeau Foundation. Well, I mean, that's not even in dispute. We know that a lot of
00:29:31.640 liberal-affiliated organizations, Canada 2020, the Trudeau Foundation take big bucks from Chinese 0.76
00:29:38.180 billionaires, Chinese politicians, Huawei. Huawei even sponsors Hockey Night in Canada. So Don
00:29:44.320 Cherry is not acceptable, but Huawei is apparently. Yeah, I mean, it goes really deep. I mean, I was
00:29:50.960 just looking at some math today. The University of British Columbia alone, one institution, gets about
00:29:56.280 a quarter billion dollars a year from China in various ways, including through Chinese nationals
00:30:03.140 as foreign students. A quarter billion dollars a year for UBC. Of course they're going to be in the
00:30:09.880 tank for Beijing. That's not an ethnic comment. That's a political comment. If you had, during the
00:30:15.160 height of the Cold War, you know, 6,000 Soviet students at U of T, you wouldn't be surprised if 0.99
00:30:22.060 U of T was a hotbed for communism. Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all
00:30:27.960 of us here at Rebel World headquarters, to you at home, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.