Rebel News Podcast - November 29, 2025


What's going on with the civil war inside the Republican Party？


Episode Stats

Length

29 minutes

Words per Minute

187.18477

Word Count

5,567

Sentence Count

352

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary

Joel Pollack joins us to explain why Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens have gone mad, and why the Republican Party is mad at them. Plus, a new venture from Ezra Levenkamp, the California Post.


Transcript

00:00:00.040 Hello, my friends. I am boggled by what's going on with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens,
00:00:04.780 both of whom I really used to look up to, especially Tucker. I really regarded him
00:00:08.540 as a role model. Now he spends all his time bashing America, bashing Israel, of course,
00:00:14.200 and bashing Trump. What is happening? Well, we'll ask Joel Pollack, who is deep
00:00:19.100 inside Republican circles. He has been with Breitbart for years, and now he's with a new
00:00:23.460 adventure. We'll get all the details from him. I hope he can help us explain it.
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00:00:58.320 What is going on in this battle between Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and the Republican
00:01:05.900 Party? It's November 28th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:10.320 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:15.520 Well, something bizarre has happened this year. There's a lot of theories to explain
00:01:27.860 what is behind it, but some very high-profile pundits, commentators, YouTubers, I would say
00:01:36.460 they've gone mad, but there's a method to their madness. I think there's a strategy behind
00:01:40.880 it. Tucker Carlson, to whom I used to look up, he was a bit of a hero to me. I appeared
00:01:46.760 on his show on Fox News several times. It was really highlight moments for me in my career.
00:01:51.840 I really looked up to the guy, but in the last six months or so, he's, in my mind, turned against
00:01:59.000 everything he stood for, and now he's on an anti-Israel, and I think anti-Trump and even
00:02:04.920 anti-American terror. I just don't get it. I regard him as an intellectual of sorts.
00:02:11.720 Candace Owens is no intellectual, but she's a very articulate and compelling speaker. She also came
00:02:18.740 from, at least recently, a place on the right. She was a left-wing Democrat activist who then saw the
00:02:24.860 light, became a conservative Republican darling on Daily Wire, and she's gone, I hate to say it,
00:02:31.520 I think it's a kind of madness. But again, I don't think it's accidental. I think there's a strategy
00:02:36.180 behind it. She's one of the most watched podcasts in the world. I think it got a little bit out there
00:02:42.900 when she talked about her theory that Emmanuel Macron married a man, but now I think it's gone
00:02:49.440 even crazier where she's talking about assassins. She's being tipped off that French and Israeli
00:02:54.840 assassins are out to get her. Normally, I don't think I would report on the madness of these folks,
00:03:01.020 but I think that there's such a pendulum shift towards this kind of confused, demoralized
00:03:07.900 punditry. I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's because I'm in Canada and I haven't really been
00:03:13.360 at the heart of these things. I don't work for Daily Wire. I don't know Fox News. But someone who I
00:03:19.480 think is at least on the margins of these folks and probably knows them better than I do is our friend
00:03:24.560 Joel Pollack. He used to be the senior editor at large of Breitbart.com. I'm delighted to report to
00:03:30.900 you that he will be the incoming opinion editor at a new newspaper to be launched in the new year in
00:03:37.440 California called the California Post, which will be modeled after its sister publication in New York,
00:03:43.380 the New York Post, one of the most popular newspapers in America. Joining us now via Zoom
00:03:48.240 is Joel Pollack. First of all, Joel, congratulations on the California Post.
00:03:53.320 Thank you very much. And I hope you'll excuse the California informality of my attire here,
00:03:58.320 but I'm juggling several things today, including Thanksgiving cooking and a sick toddler. So
00:04:03.780 before we jump into Candace and Tucker, give me one minute on the California Post. I love the New
00:04:11.460 York Post. It's got that scrappy tabloid style. Give me just one minute on what the California Post is
00:04:17.300 going to be. Well, it will bring that style to California and it's going to fill a gap right now
00:04:23.600 because there is no right of center publication in California and there's no publication that
00:04:27.900 covers the state as a whole. You do have large newspapers like the San Francisco Chronicle and
00:04:33.480 the LA Times having something of a reach into Sacramento politics in the state capital, but you
00:04:38.920 don't really have any publication that reflects the state's identity as a whole. And so this publication
00:04:44.340 is moving into that vacuum and the California Post is going to finally hold up a mirror
00:04:48.720 to California and give people an opportunity to understand what is being done to the most beautiful
00:04:56.180 state in the union and to one of the most beautiful places in the world. It's really a tragedy how poorly
00:05:00.800 California is run and what's happening to it culturally. It's got so much going for it, but
00:05:05.840 you know, Dennis Prager used to ask me, why do you still live in California? And I used to say,
00:05:09.700 well, we've got the mountains, we've got the ocean, and now they've ruined both of those things. The
00:05:14.240 California Los Angeles fires of January 7th, which you covered, you came to visit me in my hometown,
00:05:19.600 you came to my house, you saw what happened. And this is very much about that. I was very happy at
00:05:24.020 Breitbart News, great colleagues, very comfortable in my situation, very influential in terms of its
00:05:30.180 reach into DC politics. But when the California Post became a thing, it was almost irresistible to
00:05:36.820 become involved and really try to make an impact there. And we're not talking about necessarily a
00:05:41.600 political impact in terms of Republicans and Democrats, but really a shift in mindset.
00:05:46.300 Well, I look forward to it very much. And the LA Times is radically left wing on certain issues.
00:05:52.940 They have sort of a quirky owner who maybe can't be pinned down on all things, but I think it'll be
00:05:58.100 much needed out there. And hopefully it'll move the dial. All right, I want to switch back to what's
00:06:02.680 going on. I don't know if I'd call it the online right, because I don't think Tucker Carlson and
00:06:08.860 Candace Owens and repeaters of them can genuinely be called right wing. You know, they all say they're
00:06:17.080 against Trump. They despise Trump. They think Trump is a sellout. I think they demoralize Americans. And
00:06:23.700 I'm not an American, but I feel demoralized by it. You see Tucker challenging basic narratives like
00:06:28.840 that the West were the good guys in World War II. He's saying Churchill was the enemy. The nuclear
00:06:33.740 bomb was immoral. And maybe Hitler wasn't as lucky. He has guests on who say these things on
00:06:39.680 challenge. He had Nick Fuentes on, a rabid anti-Semite who endorsed Stalin. And Tucker just
00:06:45.240 sort of nodded along. Candace Owens feels a little bit like Jussie Smollett. Her latest emissions sound
00:06:52.140 crazy. But what can I say? These people appear, I say appear because it might be some fake bots there,
00:06:59.380 but they appear to have a massive audience. What on earth is going on with the troll right?
00:07:06.700 Well, they do have a massive audience and there are fake bots. We learned over the last few days
00:07:11.660 since Elon Musk rolled out a new feature on X that allows you to see where some of these accounts are
00:07:17.380 based, that some of the most vociferously anti-Israel and sometimes anti-Trump accounts on
00:07:23.040 the so-called right are run by people in Bangladesh and in Poland and in Egypt and in East Asia and all
00:07:30.160 kinds of places that have nothing to do with the United States. So there have been a lot of people
00:07:33.960 masquerading as Trump supporters who have turned against him because of Israel or whatever, which
00:07:39.340 turned out not to be the case. But look, Trump and Candace do have large audiences. Let me take a step
00:07:45.160 back and just talk about the environment. There are two big factors. One is the cancel culture
00:07:50.640 of the Biden administration, which really destroyed faith among conservative viewers and listeners and
00:07:59.340 readers in mainstream media and created an audience for people whose views are suppressed. And when you
00:08:06.100 talk about marginalized people, you're talking about people with legitimate views, such as critics of
00:08:11.040 COVID policies. And you're also talking about some people with some rather difficult views, such as
00:08:17.300 neo-Nazis or Stalinists on the left and so forth. So you're getting a mixed bag. And then the other side of
00:08:23.800 it is that the online podcasting world, social media world, has its own business environment that is heavily
00:08:32.000 dependent on money coming in through advertising and sponsors. And many of these podcasts are getting a lot of
00:08:39.780 clicks and views, but not a lot of sponsors. So they are persuadable in one direction or another if they get a
00:08:46.460 lot of funding from one or two sources. So what I think is happening is, on the one hand, you've got people who are
00:08:53.540 becoming more extreme in their views because they feel canceled. And there's an audience for them because people are
00:08:59.920 more willing to listen to marginalized voices than they were in the past. Sometimes, for example, the Anti-Defamation League,
00:09:05.480 which was founded as a Jewish civil rights organization, has been too vociferous in accusing
00:09:10.840 people of anti-Semitism in many cases before they've actually done anything anti-Semitic. And this has been a
00:09:15.480 criticism I've made for many years as a Jewish person myself. And so I think they've pushed people
00:09:19.600 into a column that is, shall we say, at least hostile to Israel, if not always hostile to the Jewish
00:09:26.580 community itself. And that, I think, is where Tucker and Candace really began their drift. But then you've
00:09:34.620 also got this business environment where you have to say outrageous things to draw eyes, to draw ears,
00:09:40.620 to draw clicks, and where there are investors, some of whom are named, some of whom are unknown,
00:09:46.000 who are able to push the coverage in a particular direction. I've been hearing stories, for example,
00:09:51.400 of a lot of Qatari money floating around the influencer world. Of course, the accusation comes
00:09:56.420 back the other way. They say, well, there's a lot of pro-Israel money floating around out there. That's
00:10:00.240 a relatively new thing. I know the Israeli government now is trying to hire influencers to push the case
00:10:04.400 for Israel. But there has been so much more money spent on the anti-Israel side. And you see it. You see
00:10:09.760 it in the podcast. You see it in some of the online influencers who don't have to disclose their sources
00:10:13.860 of funding, at least to the public. So I think those two things are combining. I do think that
00:10:18.240 the American public remains very solidly pro-Israel. I think the Republican Party remains very solidly
00:10:24.140 pro-Trump and pro-American, pro-Israel. But you are seeing this as a social media phenomenon.
00:10:29.940 You know, one thing that I saw suggested down there in the States, which is different from here in
00:10:36.000 Canada or the UK, is Canada, we were set to elect a conservative government. And then that went off the
00:10:43.840 reels in the last few months, particularly as Trump talked about annexing Canada. The UK has an
00:10:50.900 atrocious labor government that's trying to handle the emergence of Islamic independent candidates on
00:10:57.940 the left. So in Canada and the UK, there are enormous battles for commentators to fight for freedom,
00:11:05.900 for low taxes against censorship. Like we have our plates full with things to fight over.
00:11:11.800 In America, you're a rambunctious right wing MAGA type. You've got the dream president who not only
00:11:20.200 is doing pretty much everything he promised, but he's coming up with new things that you never thought
00:11:24.580 of. And like he's so productive and so energetic that every week there's another win. Trump said,
00:11:32.980 you're going to get tired of winning. I remember when he said that. And I think some pundits,
00:11:37.860 what do they do? Like literally, what could you ask for Trump to do in terms of his agenda
00:11:44.080 that he hasn't done? I mean, you can criticize him outside that, but he's stopped mass immigration.
00:11:49.040 He's deporting people. He's doing trade deals. He's strengthening the military. He's getting
00:11:54.000 peace without war. I mean, I guess you could be a bored podcaster who goes really nuts on
00:12:01.760 Emmanuel Macron's wife, maybe. I mean, maybe just boredom and wanting conflict is part of it too.
00:12:09.440 I think Qatar is a bigger part of it. And the business model is a bigger part of it.
00:12:14.160 I don't know. What do you think of that theory?
00:12:16.980 I think you're right. I think some people are tired of winning. And look, opposition is good for
00:12:22.300 the media business model. When you are the party in opposition, you draw more eyeballs. Your media
00:12:28.340 company can gin up subscriptions. I mean, look what happened to the New York Times and the Washington
00:12:33.120 Post during the first Trump term. The Washington Post changed their slogan to democracy dies in
00:12:39.640 darkness. Okay. This really sanctimonious idea, but they drew so many more subscribers. The New York
00:12:46.740 Times had been failing. It was falling apart, laying people off. They drew so many subscribers by being
00:12:52.360 anti-Trump. Opposition is also good on the conservative side. So you've got Trump in there and he's doing
00:12:58.220 everything you wanted him to do. And yes, you would think logically, if you really care about
00:13:02.940 the issues that you're purporting to support as a pundit, as a commentator, you should say,
00:13:08.340 great, let's take this further. How can we apply the lessons of winning in this context to other
00:13:12.700 contexts? I mean, that's been my approach, for example, on Israel. Donald Trump intervened in the
00:13:18.280 12-day war, took out Iran's nuclear sites, and restored America's military deterrent, was part of a
00:13:24.120 massive military success, diplomatic success that led to the Gaza ceasefire. Why wouldn't you want
00:13:29.420 to expand that, learn from it, export it, celebrate it? No. The pundits on the right who are in this
00:13:36.120 online space, many of them decided that this wasn't good enough or that it somehow wasn't America first.
00:13:42.840 They linked it to Jeffrey Epstein, saying that the only reason we could support Israel is if Jeffrey
00:13:46.620 Epstein was controlling our politics. There was some disappointment with the way the Trump
00:13:50.480 administration handled the so-called Epstein files. But, you know, I don't know that there's much
00:13:55.380 more to that story. Anyway, this became a conspiracy theory on which to hang the ginned-up opposition
00:14:03.360 to Trump's very successful foreign policy. I think the shorthand is conspiracy theories are a form of
00:14:10.400 opposition that is particularly potent in the social media world and the podcasting world. And look,
00:14:16.320 there's no older or deeper conspiracy theory than conspiracy theories about Jews and about Israel.
00:14:22.140 And so they're all now going to that mine and mining it for all it's worth. Not very much,
00:14:26.640 but there's a very long way to go on a lot of material. And that's what they're doing. And it's
00:14:31.980 become a business model. And again, I don't think it's swaying opinion, but it is very disturbing.
00:14:38.220 And I don't think it's helping Trump at all. I do think the only effect it's really going to have
00:14:43.140 is it is going to split the MAGA movement. And I'll give you the example that everyone's talking
00:14:47.920 about here in Washington, D.C., where I happen to be when I'm not in Los Angeles, which is the
00:14:53.540 Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation is the conservative think tank. It's been there for
00:14:57.840 decades. It's highly regarded, well-respected, incredible researchers, academic-level work,
00:15:03.640 but on the conservative side. Their policy papers are so respected that even Democrats read them,
00:15:08.700 okay? The Heritage Foundation is now at odds with itself and in a state of constant revolt
00:15:15.180 because the chair or the president of the Heritage Foundation, this guy Kevin Roberts from Texas,
00:15:20.580 he came out and defended Tucker Carlson after Tucker Carlson hosted neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes on his show.
00:15:26.780 Of course, Tucker has the right to host Nick Fuentes, but why would you host that guy? I mean,
00:15:31.440 I wrote an article debunking some of his ridiculous conspiracy theories a few years ago,
00:15:36.220 and the people at Breitbart said, you're giving him too much attention even by debunking him. Just
00:15:40.480 leave him alone. So why would you platform him and give him an opportunity to express his views,
00:15:44.780 and as you point out, to support Stalin and so forth? And then Heritage didn't have to say anything
00:15:50.220 because apparently they had already stopped advertising with him months before, but Kevin
00:15:54.440 Roberts came out and said this was a big cancel culture issue and it was about free speech and so
00:15:58.640 forth. So he now attached the Heritage brand, not just to Tucker Carlson, but to Nick Fuentes.
00:16:03.000 And so Heritage has been losing some of its best scholars. There are still some good people there
00:16:07.780 trying to make it work, turn the ship around, but essentially Heritage has been losing people left
00:16:12.140 and right, mostly right. This is one of the most conservative, well-respected, renowned think
00:16:17.480 tanks, and they are destroying their brand because they will not associate themselves. And look,
00:16:23.220 there's a difference between the freedom to express a view and a freedom to associate with people,
00:16:27.040 and the idea that this is outside of what we want to associate ourselves with as a conservative
00:16:31.980 movement, as a Republican Party or as a brand. And you're seeing this split and it's going to
00:16:37.640 become much worse. You know, the BBC had me on several weeks in a row in the spring to talk about
00:16:42.440 Jeffrey Epstein and how he was so important. He wasn't that important. The BBC was convinced that
00:16:46.800 the Epstein files were going to split the conservative movement. They really didn't. They were sort of a
00:16:50.960 fringe phenomenon and Democrats seized on it to drive their own messaging in the absence of another
00:16:55.000 message. But this issue of anti-Semitism really could split the MAGA movement because
00:16:59.980 in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, there's a vacuum and we don't have a spokesman anymore who
00:17:06.800 can say to young Christian activists that being Christian does not mean also excluding all this
00:17:14.240 other stuff. It doesn't mean excluding Jews, doesn't mean excluding love of Israel. In fact, it means
00:17:19.260 embracing those things. It has historically meant that in the United States. So all these other people are
00:17:23.240 rushing in to reclaim his legacy as a conservative Christian young leader and they're trying to
00:17:28.060 shift it into their own particular direction, which happens to be on the extreme right. And it is going
00:17:33.020 to split the movement unless it is resolved somehow or unless people simply move on to another issue,
00:17:38.620 which I don't think is likely. So it is a very serious problem and we're all struggling with how to
00:17:43.660 deal with it. Yeah, I mean, I don't have an aversion to someone interviewing anyone. I interviewed a terrorist
00:17:50.700 in the UK who was actually later sent to prison. It's it. I tried to ask good questions, interesting
00:17:59.080 questions, tough questions. I wouldn't gloss things over. Nick Fuentes is not a terrorist, but he said
00:18:04.500 insanely racist, bigoted things. And you can have them on. But the comparison between how Tucker was kid
00:18:13.340 gloves with Nick Fuentes versus how he grilled Ted Cruz, a very conservative senator, I think that's
00:18:21.580 the issue. And I and I feel like Tucker's engaging in what Yuri Bezmenov, the KGB defector to the West
00:18:30.220 called demoralization, just to, you know, not a military attack on America, but making people confused,
00:18:36.820 undermining them, making them feel tired, making them not understand who's friends and foes anymore.
00:18:44.360 I feel like Tucker, who's very bright. The thing about him and Candace is they're so articulate
00:18:49.140 and Tucker, especially decades of practice talking to his large audience that when he wants to undermine
00:18:56.060 morale in America, my God, he can do it. I mean, he is undermining all the pinnings like he's even
00:19:03.340 undermining the narrative of World War Two. Think about that. I, you know, he's the JFK assassination.
00:19:10.800 He's a 9-11 truther now. I feel like that's an operation of source, an information operation.
00:19:17.060 That's the only way it makes sense for this guy to change his views 180 degrees. What do you think?
00:19:22.980 That could be. It also could be this is always how he's felt. In 2020, when he still had a show on Fox
00:19:27.940 News, he would appear every night during the Black Lives Matter riots and tell Americans that nobody
00:19:33.300 cared. Nobody was helping. Nobody was trying to stop this, which wasn't really true. I mean,
00:19:37.500 it was true of Democrats in city and state government in the places where these riots were
00:19:41.940 happening. But it wasn't true of the Trump administration. Trump was doing everything
00:19:45.380 he could to try to stop the riots, to try to punish people who destroyed statues on federal
00:19:50.000 property, to stand in front of the church that had just been burned by rioters and hold up the
00:19:54.140 Bible, even though he was ridiculed by the press. Trump was taking a stand. And I remember watching
00:19:58.200 Tucker Carlson at the time and thinking, what is he doing? He's telling his audience that nobody cares,
00:20:02.540 but you've got a president running for reelection who does care. And I'm not trying to be a special
00:20:07.340 pleader for Trump here. I'm just saying he was doing everything he could. And he had complete
00:20:12.680 revolt by Mayor Garcetti in L.A. and Mayor Bowser in D.C. and all these people. And of course,
00:20:20.180 all the chickens are coming home to roost now. And now they're all running away from their old tweets.
00:20:24.060 You know, all these Democrats and, you know, Mamdani now, he's the mayor of New York City and he's got
00:20:28.140 to keep the police commissioner on because otherwise people will really panic. But, you know, he's put
00:20:32.300 people on his transition team who believe in defunding the police. So now, you know, there's a
00:20:36.000 legacy. These statements have come back to haunt the Democrats. But Tucker was telling people Trump
00:20:41.200 didn't care and Trump did care. And so I feel like there could be some element of selfishness involved.
00:20:46.660 I don't want to try to read his mind. I do think that the door needs to be open for him to return.
00:20:51.940 I mean, I said this after the hostage deal. I said to Tucker and Candace, now is the time to come
00:20:57.480 back. This is a massive victory for Trump. It's an end to war. You guys say you're anti-war.
00:21:02.860 Come back. Come back and be part of the conservative movement. But I haven't seen any movement back.
00:21:07.680 Yeah. You know, it's very strange. It's starting to seep into Canada. Not much yet. But I see sort of
00:21:13.360 copycat young pundits thinking, I'm not particularly interesting. I want to fast track. I'm going to mimic
00:21:20.820 some of the anti-Semitic language. It's sort of startling to see in Canada. I don't think Canada
00:21:25.220 is a big target for a number of reasons. Like America is the biggest prize in the world. And
00:21:30.600 I don't know how much Qatari money is being sloshing around Canada. But I see a little bit
00:21:35.560 of it coming up here. I'm worried because, well, what is demoralization? It means people losing
00:21:42.560 enthusiasm. And the left is going to hold up the Nick Fuenteses of the world and show his anti-Semitism
00:21:48.080 and his anti-Black and anti-immigrant comments and sort of try and hang that around the neck
00:21:52.700 of the Republicans. And I'm worried because polls show that young people are buying into it,
00:22:00.220 that young people are conflating a disagreement with Israel with anti-Semitism. And I'm a little
00:22:06.480 bit worried about that. It's a very infectious worldview, anti-Semitism, because it's so...
00:22:12.280 Well, it has cultural antecedents. I mean, you know, both in Islam and Christianity,
00:22:19.240 there are negative views of Jews in fundamental texts, all right? It doesn't mean that the Quran
00:22:23.040 is bad necessarily or the New Testament needs to be not read, you know? I mean, but the fact is that
00:22:27.860 both of those religions came about in reaction or some opposition to Judaism. And so there are some
00:22:32.880 things said about Jews, you know, in the Gospel of Matthew, for example, that are not particularly
00:22:37.500 flattering. And so this is part of our cultural background. And it's something that Christians and
00:22:41.780 Jews have had dialogue about for a long time, and people are tolerant toward one another. But
00:22:46.680 there are these resonances in Western literature and in Judeo-Christian dialogues that are unflattering
00:22:54.320 to Jews. I mean, Shakespeare and The Merchant of Venice, you know, you don't have to look at
00:22:57.880 religious texts. You know, so people are willing sometimes to hear things about Jews and believe
00:23:03.480 them. You know, Tucker Carlson goes on about Israel imposing collective punishment on the
00:23:10.460 Palestinians. And of course, it doesn't. But why does that resonate? It resonates because of the
00:23:14.300 Merchant of Venice, or because of the Pharisees as characters in the New Testament, you know, all of
00:23:19.320 which have a role in those stories, okay? You don't have to be opposed to Shakespeare to be critical of
00:23:25.480 the role of Shylock in The Merchant of Venice. But the fact is, we do have people, I think,
00:23:31.580 responding sometimes, I think, unconsciously to some of the things that are in our culture. And when they hear
00:23:36.760 statements that are inflammatory, sometimes they can ring true, because we've heard them before
00:23:41.420 in other contexts. Likewise with Islam. I mean, you know, I don't think that Islam has to be opposed
00:23:47.100 to Israel. I mean, Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the Quran as the home of the Jewish people. I
00:23:51.360 mean, the Quran itself affirms the Jewish right to Israel and to Jerusalem. But the Jews rejected
00:23:56.240 Muhammad. And so it says a lot of nasty things about Jews. And so there's a resonance for European
00:24:02.620 anti-Semitism in the Muslim world. And some of it is being brought back into the West by migration.
00:24:07.000 So, you know, I think the way to deal with it is simply to be cool and stand up and be visible
00:24:12.900 and proud. I think that shows people more than anything that, you know, there's a really positive
00:24:18.560 aspect to all this. I mean, one of the things I remind people, especially if I'm being criticized
00:24:23.180 from, let's say, a religious point of view on the right in the United States, you know, Charlie Kirk was
00:24:28.180 very big about having families and the American birth rate going down. And that is a legitimate
00:24:33.820 concern on the right, not just the extreme right. And I say, well, okay, well, what's the one Western
00:24:38.460 country that is having a birth rate above replacement right now, where there are more than 2.1
00:24:44.120 children being born per woman, which is the definition of more than replacement? It's Israel.
00:24:49.520 Israel is the only place where more babies are being born that can replenish the civilization without
00:24:54.140 having to depend on immigration. So why don't we learn from Israel, rather than just writing them
00:24:59.280 off as some kind of terrible place, genocide, whatever, you know, maybe it would behoove us to
00:25:03.460 look at what they're doing. What is it about Israeli society that works? And the answer is that it's a
00:25:08.100 very family-oriented society, that it's a society that values military service. It's a society that
00:25:12.800 values shared sacrifice. It's a society that cares for one another. It's the only society that would
00:25:17.080 embrace a hostage deal as the end of a conflict because they want the Israelis, even the dead ones,
00:25:23.780 home so badly. I mean, there are bonds in that society that are extremely strong. How do we
00:25:28.060 recreate those in the West? They used to be strong until very recently in the United States. You know,
00:25:32.580 our birth rate fell off a cliff after 2008. What else happened in 2008? Well, you had the iPhone,
00:25:37.540 you had Barack Obama, you had the financial crisis, you had all these different factors,
00:25:41.840 but Israel has iPhones. Israel has up and down economy issues as well. What's different? Well,
00:25:47.560 they didn't have a Barack Obama coming and telling them that their whole civilization was awful and
00:25:51.400 needed to be overthrown and fundamentally transformed. Maybe that hurt the birth rate.
00:25:55.880 Maybe there were other factors, but, you know, we have to look at what makes Israel work. So if
00:25:59.860 you're on the right and you share these values, why not learn from Israel instead of disparaging it?
00:26:03.820 And, you know, put it that way and people start to pay attention. I just think, you know,
00:26:07.640 just to close this point, I was at a concert, a classical music concert a few nights ago,
00:26:12.120 and I wore my yarmulke as I, as I tend to do. And a Jewish woman at the intermission took out her
00:26:18.420 Jewish star necklace, Star of David. And she said, I'm surprised you wear a yarmulke in public. I mean,
00:26:22.560 I, you know, I've been afraid to, to wear my necklace out in public. And I said, you know what,
00:26:25.560 the honest, the truth is, as much nastiness as there is online, I have yet to have anything
00:26:29.600 happen to me, any kind of negative reaction from anybody, just being out and proud and whatever.
00:26:35.480 And, you know, speaking of debate, I mean, Nick Fuentes was invited to debate on Tim Poole's show
00:26:41.480 a couple of years ago when he traveled there with Kanye West. And as soon as the very mildest
00:26:45.740 questions were asked, they walked off the set. You know, these people don't want to debate.
00:26:49.420 Tucker Carlson won't debate Ben Shapiro. You know, so I think just be out there and challenge people
00:26:56.260 politely, but forcefully. And I think ultimately, you know, the good guys will win this, but we just
00:27:02.980 have to have the strength of our conviction. So I know you've got to go, so I won't keep you
00:27:07.000 longer, even though I find this very interesting conversation. The only thing I'm going to disagree
00:27:10.700 with you on and your final point is that you're speaking as an American from California. So you
00:27:16.000 are not five, 10, 20 years further down the road of mass immigration from inherently anti-Semitic
00:27:23.740 countries. I have the pleasure of visiting wonderful places like Ireland and the United Kingdom
00:27:29.440 were massive. I was in Birmingham the other day. It's almost 50% Muslim there. And they just decided
00:27:36.940 they're not going to allow the Israeli football team to bring any of its fans. They banned Jewish
00:27:43.200 fans from going to a soccer match. That's what happens in a city that's 45% Muslim. And so what
00:27:50.040 you're talking about, an intellectual way forward, reasoning, Jewish-Christian dialogue, I love all
00:27:56.440 that. I think that moment has passed in the UK. Ireland is, you know, so lopsided, it's becoming
00:28:04.960 Islamified all the time. And in Canada, we're not far behind. So I think that what your prescription
00:28:11.200 hopefully works for America, but I'm afraid it's too late for much of the Anglosphere, including
00:28:17.900 probably Australia. Anyways, on that gloomy note, I'll say last word to you, Joel, and then we'll sign
00:28:24.360 off. Any final thoughts? Well, it is Thanksgiving. So I'm just very grateful for you and for the
00:28:29.980 rebel and for the opportunity to talk to you and to talk about the California Post. And also grateful
00:28:34.920 for President Donald Trump, because I do think he has started to set some boundaries to some of this
00:28:40.620 in terms of migration. I'm grateful to the support that he gave to Israel and the support he gives to
00:28:45.920 our American military, which, as you say, is somehow opposed by people who were on the right until
00:28:51.040 recently. But I'm grateful he's there. And I think that he will continue to succeed.
00:28:55.460 We have a different Thanksgiving date in Canada, but I'm grateful for Donald Trump also. I think
00:28:59.780 he's not just saving America, but he's saving much of the world. And I think although he's got a bombastic
00:29:05.240 style, I think he really does deserve the Nobel Prize for peace. I think what he's done around the
00:29:10.720 world and is trying to do in Ukraine, frankly, will save cumulatively millions. And so I am grateful
00:29:17.120 to him, even though he's being a bit rough on Canada these days. Joel, I'll let you go.
00:29:21.140 Congratulations on the California Post. We'll keep our eyes peeled for when that opens. Thanks
00:29:25.520 for spending some time with us. Thank you. All right. There he is. Joel Pollack, for years,
00:29:30.220 the senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com, now the incoming opinion editor at California Post. Well,
00:29:36.120 that's our show for the day. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
00:29:40.560 Headquarters to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.