Rebel News Podcast - What's going on with the civil war inside the Republican Party？

00:00:00.040 Hello, my friends. I am boggled by what's going on with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens,

00:00:04.780 both of whom I really used to look up to, especially Tucker. I really regarded him

00:00:08.540 as a role model. Now he spends all his time bashing America, bashing Israel, of course,

00:00:14.200 and bashing Trump. What is happening? Well, we'll ask Joel Pollack, who is deep

00:00:19.100 inside Republican circles. He has been with Breitbart for years, and now he's with a new

00:00:23.460 adventure. We'll get all the details from him. I hope he can help us explain it.

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00:00:58.320 What is going on in this battle between Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and the Republican 0.98

00:01:05.900 Party? It's November 28th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:10.320 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:15.520 Well, something bizarre has happened this year. There's a lot of theories to explain

00:01:27.860 what is behind it, but some very high-profile pundits, commentators, YouTubers, I would say

00:01:36.460 they've gone mad, but there's a method to their madness. I think there's a strategy behind

00:01:40.880 it. Tucker Carlson, to whom I used to look up, he was a bit of a hero to me. I appeared

00:01:46.760 on his show on Fox News several times. It was really highlight moments for me in my career.

00:01:51.840 I really looked up to the guy, but in the last six months or so, he's, in my mind, turned against

00:01:59.000 everything he stood for, and now he's on an anti-Israel, and I think anti-Trump and even

00:02:04.920 anti-American terror. I just don't get it. I regard him as an intellectual of sorts.

00:02:11.720 Candace Owens is no intellectual, but she's a very articulate and compelling speaker. She also came

00:02:18.740 from, at least recently, a place on the right. She was a left-wing Democrat activist who then saw the

00:02:24.860 light, became a conservative Republican darling on Daily Wire, and she's gone, I hate to say it,

00:02:31.520 I think it's a kind of madness. But again, I don't think it's accidental. I think there's a strategy

00:02:36.180 behind it. She's one of the most watched podcasts in the world. I think it got a little bit out there

00:02:42.900 when she talked about her theory that Emmanuel Macron married a man, but now I think it's gone

00:02:49.440 even crazier where she's talking about assassins. She's being tipped off that French and Israeli 0.94

00:02:54.840 assassins are out to get her. Normally, I don't think I would report on the madness of these folks,

00:03:01.020 but I think that there's such a pendulum shift towards this kind of confused, demoralized

00:03:07.900 punditry. I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's because I'm in Canada and I haven't really been

00:03:13.360 at the heart of these things. I don't work for Daily Wire. I don't know Fox News. But someone who I

00:03:19.480 think is at least on the margins of these folks and probably knows them better than I do is our friend

00:03:24.560 Joel Pollack. He used to be the senior editor at large of Breitbart.com. I'm delighted to report to

00:03:30.900 you that he will be the incoming opinion editor at a new newspaper to be launched in the new year in

00:03:37.440 California called the California Post, which will be modeled after its sister publication in New York,

00:03:43.380 the New York Post, one of the most popular newspapers in America. Joining us now via Zoom

00:03:48.240 is Joel Pollack. First of all, Joel, congratulations on the California Post.

00:03:53.320 Thank you very much. And I hope you'll excuse the California informality of my attire here,

00:03:58.320 but I'm juggling several things today, including Thanksgiving cooking and a sick toddler. So

00:04:03.780 before we jump into Candace and Tucker, give me one minute on the California Post. I love the New

00:04:11.460 York Post. It's got that scrappy tabloid style. Give me just one minute on what the California Post is

00:04:17.300 going to be. Well, it will bring that style to California and it's going to fill a gap right now

00:04:23.600 because there is no right of center publication in California and there's no publication that

00:04:27.900 covers the state as a whole. You do have large newspapers like the San Francisco Chronicle and

00:04:33.480 the LA Times having something of a reach into Sacramento politics in the state capital, but you

00:04:38.920 don't really have any publication that reflects the state's identity as a whole. And so this publication

00:04:44.340 is moving into that vacuum and the California Post is going to finally hold up a mirror

00:04:48.720 to California and give people an opportunity to understand what is being done to the most beautiful

00:04:56.180 state in the union and to one of the most beautiful places in the world. It's really a tragedy how poorly

00:05:00.800 California is run and what's happening to it culturally. It's got so much going for it, but

00:05:05.840 you know, Dennis Prager used to ask me, why do you still live in California? And I used to say,

00:05:09.700 well, we've got the mountains, we've got the ocean, and now they've ruined both of those things. The

00:05:14.240 California Los Angeles fires of January 7th, which you covered, you came to visit me in my hometown,

00:05:19.600 you came to my house, you saw what happened. And this is very much about that. I was very happy at

00:05:24.020 Breitbart News, great colleagues, very comfortable in my situation, very influential in terms of its

00:05:30.180 reach into DC politics. But when the California Post became a thing, it was almost irresistible to

00:05:36.820 become involved and really try to make an impact there. And we're not talking about necessarily a

00:05:41.600 political impact in terms of Republicans and Democrats, but really a shift in mindset.

00:05:46.300 Well, I look forward to it very much. And the LA Times is radically left wing on certain issues.

00:05:52.940 They have sort of a quirky owner who maybe can't be pinned down on all things, but I think it'll be

00:05:58.100 much needed out there. And hopefully it'll move the dial. All right, I want to switch back to what's

00:06:02.680 going on. I don't know if I'd call it the online right, because I don't think Tucker Carlson and

00:06:08.860 Candace Owens and repeaters of them can genuinely be called right wing. You know, they all say they're 0.99

00:06:17.080 against Trump. They despise Trump. They think Trump is a sellout. I think they demoralize Americans. And

00:06:23.700 I'm not an American, but I feel demoralized by it. You see Tucker challenging basic narratives like

00:06:28.840 that the West were the good guys in World War II. He's saying Churchill was the enemy. The nuclear 0.93

00:06:33.740 bomb was immoral. And maybe Hitler wasn't as lucky. He has guests on who say these things on 0.86

00:06:39.680 challenge. He had Nick Fuentes on, a rabid anti-Semite who endorsed Stalin. And Tucker just

00:06:45.240 sort of nodded along. Candace Owens feels a little bit like Jussie Smollett. Her latest emissions sound 1.00

00:06:52.140 crazy. But what can I say? These people appear, I say appear because it might be some fake bots there,

00:06:59.380 but they appear to have a massive audience. What on earth is going on with the troll right? 0.89

00:07:06.700 Well, they do have a massive audience and there are fake bots. We learned over the last few days

00:07:11.660 since Elon Musk rolled out a new feature on X that allows you to see where some of these accounts are

00:07:17.380 based, that some of the most vociferously anti-Israel and sometimes anti-Trump accounts on

00:07:23.040 the so-called right are run by people in Bangladesh and in Poland and in Egypt and in East Asia and all

00:07:30.160 kinds of places that have nothing to do with the United States. So there have been a lot of people

00:07:33.960 masquerading as Trump supporters who have turned against him because of Israel or whatever, which

00:07:39.340 turned out not to be the case. But look, Trump and Candace do have large audiences. Let me take a step

00:07:45.160 back and just talk about the environment. There are two big factors. One is the cancel culture

00:07:50.640 of the Biden administration, which really destroyed faith among conservative viewers and listeners and

00:07:59.340 readers in mainstream media and created an audience for people whose views are suppressed. And when you

00:08:06.100 talk about marginalized people, you're talking about people with legitimate views, such as critics of

00:08:11.040 COVID policies. And you're also talking about some people with some rather difficult views, such as

00:08:17.300 neo-Nazis or Stalinists on the left and so forth. So you're getting a mixed bag. And then the other side of

00:08:23.800 it is that the online podcasting world, social media world, has its own business environment that is heavily

00:08:32.000 dependent on money coming in through advertising and sponsors. And many of these podcasts are getting a lot of

00:08:39.780 clicks and views, but not a lot of sponsors. So they are persuadable in one direction or another if they get a

00:08:46.460 lot of funding from one or two sources. So what I think is happening is, on the one hand, you've got people who are

00:08:53.540 becoming more extreme in their views because they feel canceled. And there's an audience for them because people are

00:08:59.920 more willing to listen to marginalized voices than they were in the past. Sometimes, for example, the Anti-Defamation League,

00:09:05.480 which was founded as a Jewish civil rights organization, has been too vociferous in accusing

00:09:10.840 people of anti-Semitism in many cases before they've actually done anything anti-Semitic. And this has been a

00:09:15.480 criticism I've made for many years as a Jewish person myself. And so I think they've pushed people 0.98

00:09:19.600 into a column that is, shall we say, at least hostile to Israel, if not always hostile to the Jewish

00:09:26.580 community itself. And that, I think, is where Tucker and Candace really began their drift. But then you've

00:09:34.620 also got this business environment where you have to say outrageous things to draw eyes, to draw ears,

00:09:40.620 to draw clicks, and where there are investors, some of whom are named, some of whom are unknown,

00:09:46.000 who are able to push the coverage in a particular direction. I've been hearing stories, for example,

00:09:51.400 of a lot of Qatari money floating around the influencer world. Of course, the accusation comes

00:09:56.420 back the other way. They say, well, there's a lot of pro-Israel money floating around out there. That's

00:10:00.240 a relatively new thing. I know the Israeli government now is trying to hire influencers to push the case

00:10:04.400 for Israel. But there has been so much more money spent on the anti-Israel side. And you see it. You see

00:10:09.760 it in the podcast. You see it in some of the online influencers who don't have to disclose their sources

00:10:13.860 of funding, at least to the public. So I think those two things are combining. I do think that

00:10:18.240 the American public remains very solidly pro-Israel. I think the Republican Party remains very solidly

00:10:24.140 pro-Trump and pro-American, pro-Israel. But you are seeing this as a social media phenomenon.

00:10:29.940 You know, one thing that I saw suggested down there in the States, which is different from here in

00:10:36.000 Canada or the UK, is Canada, we were set to elect a conservative government. And then that went off the

00:10:43.840 reels in the last few months, particularly as Trump talked about annexing Canada. The UK has an

00:10:50.900 atrocious labor government that's trying to handle the emergence of Islamic independent candidates on 1.00

00:10:57.940 the left. So in Canada and the UK, there are enormous battles for commentators to fight for freedom,

00:11:05.900 for low taxes against censorship. Like we have our plates full with things to fight over.

00:11:11.800 In America, you're a rambunctious right wing MAGA type. You've got the dream president who not only

00:11:20.200 is doing pretty much everything he promised, but he's coming up with new things that you never thought

00:11:24.580 of. And like he's so productive and so energetic that every week there's another win. Trump said,

00:11:32.980 you're going to get tired of winning. I remember when he said that. And I think some pundits,

00:11:37.860 what do they do? Like literally, what could you ask for Trump to do in terms of his agenda

00:11:44.080 that he hasn't done? I mean, you can criticize him outside that, but he's stopped mass immigration.

00:11:49.040 He's deporting people. He's doing trade deals. He's strengthening the military. He's getting

00:11:54.000 peace without war. I mean, I guess you could be a bored podcaster who goes really nuts on

00:12:01.760 Emmanuel Macron's wife, maybe. I mean, maybe just boredom and wanting conflict is part of it too.

00:12:09.440 I think Qatar is a bigger part of it. And the business model is a bigger part of it.

00:12:14.160 I don't know. What do you think of that theory?

00:12:16.980 I think you're right. I think some people are tired of winning. And look, opposition is good for

00:12:22.300 the media business model. When you are the party in opposition, you draw more eyeballs. Your media

00:12:28.340 company can gin up subscriptions. I mean, look what happened to the New York Times and the Washington

00:12:33.120 Post during the first Trump term. The Washington Post changed their slogan to democracy dies in

00:12:39.640 darkness. Okay. This really sanctimonious idea, but they drew so many more subscribers. The New York

00:12:46.740 Times had been failing. It was falling apart, laying people off. They drew so many subscribers by being

00:12:52.360 anti-Trump. Opposition is also good on the conservative side. So you've got Trump in there and he's doing

00:12:58.220 everything you wanted him to do. And yes, you would think logically, if you really care about

00:13:02.940 the issues that you're purporting to support as a pundit, as a commentator, you should say,

00:13:08.340 great, let's take this further. How can we apply the lessons of winning in this context to other

00:13:12.700 contexts? I mean, that's been my approach, for example, on Israel. Donald Trump intervened in the

00:13:18.280 12-day war, took out Iran's nuclear sites, and restored America's military deterrent, was part of a

00:13:24.120 massive military success, diplomatic success that led to the Gaza ceasefire. Why wouldn't you want

00:13:29.420 to expand that, learn from it, export it, celebrate it? No. The pundits on the right who are in this

00:13:36.120 online space, many of them decided that this wasn't good enough or that it somehow wasn't America first.

00:13:42.840 They linked it to Jeffrey Epstein, saying that the only reason we could support Israel is if Jeffrey

00:13:46.620 Epstein was controlling our politics. There was some disappointment with the way the Trump

00:13:50.480 administration handled the so-called Epstein files. But, you know, I don't know that there's much

00:13:55.380 more to that story. Anyway, this became a conspiracy theory on which to hang the ginned-up opposition

00:14:03.360 to Trump's very successful foreign policy. I think the shorthand is conspiracy theories are a form of

00:14:10.400 opposition that is particularly potent in the social media world and the podcasting world. And look,

00:14:16.320 there's no older or deeper conspiracy theory than conspiracy theories about Jews and about Israel.

00:14:22.140 And so they're all now going to that mine and mining it for all it's worth. Not very much,

00:14:26.640 but there's a very long way to go on a lot of material. And that's what they're doing. And it's

00:14:31.980 become a business model. And again, I don't think it's swaying opinion, but it is very disturbing.

00:14:38.220 And I don't think it's helping Trump at all. I do think the only effect it's really going to have

00:14:43.140 is it is going to split the MAGA movement. And I'll give you the example that everyone's talking

00:14:47.920 about here in Washington, D.C., where I happen to be when I'm not in Los Angeles, which is the

00:14:53.540 Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation is the conservative think tank. It's been there for

00:14:57.840 decades. It's highly regarded, well-respected, incredible researchers, academic-level work,

00:15:03.640 but on the conservative side. Their policy papers are so respected that even Democrats read them,

00:15:08.700 okay? The Heritage Foundation is now at odds with itself and in a state of constant revolt

00:15:15.180 because the chair or the president of the Heritage Foundation, this guy Kevin Roberts from Texas,

00:15:20.580 he came out and defended Tucker Carlson after Tucker Carlson hosted neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes on his show.

00:15:26.780 Of course, Tucker has the right to host Nick Fuentes, but why would you host that guy? I mean,

00:15:31.440 I wrote an article debunking some of his ridiculous conspiracy theories a few years ago,

00:15:36.220 and the people at Breitbart said, you're giving him too much attention even by debunking him. Just

00:15:40.480 leave him alone. So why would you platform him and give him an opportunity to express his views,

00:15:44.780 and as you point out, to support Stalin and so forth? And then Heritage didn't have to say anything

00:15:50.220 because apparently they had already stopped advertising with him months before, but Kevin

00:15:54.440 Roberts came out and said this was a big cancel culture issue and it was about free speech and so

00:15:58.640 forth. So he now attached the Heritage brand, not just to Tucker Carlson, but to Nick Fuentes.

00:16:03.000 And so Heritage has been losing some of its best scholars. There are still some good people there

00:16:07.780 trying to make it work, turn the ship around, but essentially Heritage has been losing people left

00:16:12.140 and right, mostly right. This is one of the most conservative, well-respected, renowned think

00:16:17.480 tanks, and they are destroying their brand because they will not associate themselves. And look,

00:16:23.220 there's a difference between the freedom to express a view and a freedom to associate with people,

00:16:27.040 and the idea that this is outside of what we want to associate ourselves with as a conservative

00:16:31.980 movement, as a Republican Party or as a brand. And you're seeing this split and it's going to

00:16:37.640 become much worse. You know, the BBC had me on several weeks in a row in the spring to talk about

00:16:42.440 Jeffrey Epstein and how he was so important. He wasn't that important. The BBC was convinced that

00:16:46.800 the Epstein files were going to split the conservative movement. They really didn't. They were sort of a

00:16:50.960 fringe phenomenon and Democrats seized on it to drive their own messaging in the absence of another

00:16:55.000 message. But this issue of anti-Semitism really could split the MAGA movement because

00:16:59.980 in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, there's a vacuum and we don't have a spokesman anymore who

00:17:06.800 can say to young Christian activists that being Christian does not mean also excluding all this

00:17:14.240 other stuff. It doesn't mean excluding Jews, doesn't mean excluding love of Israel. In fact, it means

00:17:19.260 embracing those things. It has historically meant that in the United States. So all these other people are

00:17:23.240 rushing in to reclaim his legacy as a conservative Christian young leader and they're trying to

00:17:28.060 shift it into their own particular direction, which happens to be on the extreme right. And it is going

00:17:33.020 to split the movement unless it is resolved somehow or unless people simply move on to another issue,

00:17:38.620 which I don't think is likely. So it is a very serious problem and we're all struggling with how to

00:17:43.660 deal with it. Yeah, I mean, I don't have an aversion to someone interviewing anyone. I interviewed a terrorist

00:17:50.700 in the UK who was actually later sent to prison. It's it. I tried to ask good questions, interesting

00:17:59.080 questions, tough questions. I wouldn't gloss things over. Nick Fuentes is not a terrorist, but he said

00:18:04.500 insanely racist, bigoted things. And you can have them on. But the comparison between how Tucker was kid

00:18:13.340 gloves with Nick Fuentes versus how he grilled Ted Cruz, a very conservative senator, I think that's

00:18:21.580 the issue. And I and I feel like Tucker's engaging in what Yuri Bezmenov, the KGB defector to the West

00:18:30.220 called demoralization, just to, you know, not a military attack on America, but making people confused,

00:18:36.820 undermining them, making them feel tired, making them not understand who's friends and foes anymore.

00:18:44.360 I feel like Tucker, who's very bright. The thing about him and Candace is they're so articulate

00:18:49.140 and Tucker, especially decades of practice talking to his large audience that when he wants to undermine

00:18:56.060 morale in America, my God, he can do it. I mean, he is undermining all the pinnings like he's even

00:19:03.340 undermining the narrative of World War Two. Think about that. I, you know, he's the JFK assassination.

00:19:10.800 He's a 9-11 truther now. I feel like that's an operation of source, an information operation. 0.84

00:19:17.060 That's the only way it makes sense for this guy to change his views 180 degrees. What do you think?

00:19:22.980 That could be. It also could be this is always how he's felt. In 2020, when he still had a show on Fox

00:19:27.940 News, he would appear every night during the Black Lives Matter riots and tell Americans that nobody

00:19:33.300 cared. Nobody was helping. Nobody was trying to stop this, which wasn't really true. I mean,

00:19:37.500 it was true of Democrats in city and state government in the places where these riots were

00:19:41.940 happening. But it wasn't true of the Trump administration. Trump was doing everything

00:19:45.380 he could to try to stop the riots, to try to punish people who destroyed statues on federal

00:19:50.000 property, to stand in front of the church that had just been burned by rioters and hold up the

00:19:54.140 Bible, even though he was ridiculed by the press. Trump was taking a stand. And I remember watching

00:19:58.200 Tucker Carlson at the time and thinking, what is he doing? He's telling his audience that nobody cares,

00:20:02.540 but you've got a president running for reelection who does care. And I'm not trying to be a special

00:20:07.340 pleader for Trump here. I'm just saying he was doing everything he could. And he had complete

00:20:12.680 revolt by Mayor Garcetti in L.A. and Mayor Bowser in D.C. and all these people. And of course,

00:20:20.180 all the chickens are coming home to roost now. And now they're all running away from their old tweets.

00:20:24.060 You know, all these Democrats and, you know, Mamdani now, he's the mayor of New York City and he's got

00:20:28.140 to keep the police commissioner on because otherwise people will really panic. But, you know, he's put

00:20:32.300 people on his transition team who believe in defunding the police. So now, you know, there's a

00:20:36.000 legacy. These statements have come back to haunt the Democrats. But Tucker was telling people Trump

00:20:41.200 didn't care and Trump did care. And so I feel like there could be some element of selfishness involved.

00:20:46.660 I don't want to try to read his mind. I do think that the door needs to be open for him to return.

00:20:51.940 I mean, I said this after the hostage deal. I said to Tucker and Candace, now is the time to come

00:20:57.480 back. This is a massive victory for Trump. It's an end to war. You guys say you're anti-war.

00:21:02.860 Come back. Come back and be part of the conservative movement. But I haven't seen any movement back.

00:21:07.680 Yeah. You know, it's very strange. It's starting to seep into Canada. Not much yet. But I see sort of

00:21:13.360 copycat young pundits thinking, I'm not particularly interesting. I want to fast track. I'm going to mimic

00:21:20.820 some of the anti-Semitic language. It's sort of startling to see in Canada. I don't think Canada

00:21:25.220 is a big target for a number of reasons. Like America is the biggest prize in the world. And

00:21:30.600 I don't know how much Qatari money is being sloshing around Canada. But I see a little bit

00:21:35.560 of it coming up here. I'm worried because, well, what is demoralization? It means people losing

00:21:42.560 enthusiasm. And the left is going to hold up the Nick Fuenteses of the world and show his anti-Semitism

00:21:48.080 and his anti-Black and anti-immigrant comments and sort of try and hang that around the neck

00:21:52.700 of the Republicans. And I'm worried because polls show that young people are buying into it,

00:22:00.220 that young people are conflating a disagreement with Israel with anti-Semitism. And I'm a little

00:22:06.480 bit worried about that. It's a very infectious worldview, anti-Semitism, because it's so...

00:22:12.280 Well, it has cultural antecedents. I mean, you know, both in Islam and Christianity,

00:22:19.240 there are negative views of Jews in fundamental texts, all right? It doesn't mean that the Quran

00:22:23.040 is bad necessarily or the New Testament needs to be not read, you know? I mean, but the fact is that

00:22:27.860 both of those religions came about in reaction or some opposition to Judaism. And so there are some

00:22:32.880 things said about Jews, you know, in the Gospel of Matthew, for example, that are not particularly

00:22:37.500 flattering. And so this is part of our cultural background. And it's something that Christians and 0.99

00:22:41.780 Jews have had dialogue about for a long time, and people are tolerant toward one another. But

00:22:46.680 there are these resonances in Western literature and in Judeo-Christian dialogues that are unflattering

00:22:54.320 to Jews. I mean, Shakespeare and The Merchant of Venice, you know, you don't have to look at 0.99

00:22:57.880 religious texts. You know, so people are willing sometimes to hear things about Jews and believe

00:23:03.480 them. You know, Tucker Carlson goes on about Israel imposing collective punishment on the

00:23:10.460 Palestinians. And of course, it doesn't. But why does that resonate? It resonates because of the 1.00

00:23:14.300 Merchant of Venice, or because of the Pharisees as characters in the New Testament, you know, all of

00:23:19.320 which have a role in those stories, okay? You don't have to be opposed to Shakespeare to be critical of

00:23:25.480 the role of Shylock in The Merchant of Venice. But the fact is, we do have people, I think,

00:23:31.580 responding sometimes, I think, unconsciously to some of the things that are in our culture. And when they hear

00:23:36.760 statements that are inflammatory, sometimes they can ring true, because we've heard them before

00:23:41.420 in other contexts. Likewise with Islam. I mean, you know, I don't think that Islam has to be opposed

00:23:47.100 to Israel. I mean, Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the Quran as the home of the Jewish people. I

00:23:51.360 mean, the Quran itself affirms the Jewish right to Israel and to Jerusalem. But the Jews rejected 0.89

00:23:56.240 Muhammad. And so it says a lot of nasty things about Jews. And so there's a resonance for European 0.92

00:24:02.620 anti-Semitism in the Muslim world. And some of it is being brought back into the West by migration.

00:24:07.000 So, you know, I think the way to deal with it is simply to be cool and stand up and be visible

00:24:12.900 and proud. I think that shows people more than anything that, you know, there's a really positive

00:24:18.560 aspect to all this. I mean, one of the things I remind people, especially if I'm being criticized

00:24:23.180 from, let's say, a religious point of view on the right in the United States, you know, Charlie Kirk was

00:24:28.180 very big about having families and the American birth rate going down. And that is a legitimate 1.00

00:24:33.820 concern on the right, not just the extreme right. And I say, well, okay, well, what's the one Western

00:24:38.460 country that is having a birth rate above replacement right now, where there are more than 2.1

00:24:44.120 children being born per woman, which is the definition of more than replacement? It's Israel. 0.94

00:24:49.520 Israel is the only place where more babies are being born that can replenish the civilization without 1.00

00:24:54.140 having to depend on immigration. So why don't we learn from Israel, rather than just writing them 0.99

00:24:59.280 off as some kind of terrible place, genocide, whatever, you know, maybe it would behoove us to

00:25:03.460 look at what they're doing. What is it about Israeli society that works? And the answer is that it's a 0.99

00:25:08.100 very family-oriented society, that it's a society that values military service. It's a society that

00:25:12.800 values shared sacrifice. It's a society that cares for one another. It's the only society that would

00:25:17.080 embrace a hostage deal as the end of a conflict because they want the Israelis, even the dead ones, 0.98

00:25:23.780 home so badly. I mean, there are bonds in that society that are extremely strong. How do we

00:25:28.060 recreate those in the West? They used to be strong until very recently in the United States. You know,

00:25:32.580 our birth rate fell off a cliff after 2008. What else happened in 2008? Well, you had the iPhone,

00:25:37.540 you had Barack Obama, you had the financial crisis, you had all these different factors,

00:25:41.840 but Israel has iPhones. Israel has up and down economy issues as well. What's different? Well,

00:25:47.560 they didn't have a Barack Obama coming and telling them that their whole civilization was awful and

00:25:51.400 needed to be overthrown and fundamentally transformed. Maybe that hurt the birth rate.

00:25:55.880 Maybe there were other factors, but, you know, we have to look at what makes Israel work. So if

00:25:59.860 you're on the right and you share these values, why not learn from Israel instead of disparaging it?

00:26:03.820 And, you know, put it that way and people start to pay attention. I just think, you know,

00:26:07.640 just to close this point, I was at a concert, a classical music concert a few nights ago,

00:26:12.120 and I wore my yarmulke as I, as I tend to do. And a Jewish woman at the intermission took out her 0.98

00:26:18.420 Jewish star necklace, Star of David. And she said, I'm surprised you wear a yarmulke in public. I mean, 0.68

00:26:22.560 I, you know, I've been afraid to, to wear my necklace out in public. And I said, you know what,

00:26:25.560 the honest, the truth is, as much nastiness as there is online, I have yet to have anything

00:26:29.600 happen to me, any kind of negative reaction from anybody, just being out and proud and whatever.

00:26:35.480 And, you know, speaking of debate, I mean, Nick Fuentes was invited to debate on Tim Poole's show

00:26:41.480 a couple of years ago when he traveled there with Kanye West. And as soon as the very mildest

00:26:45.740 questions were asked, they walked off the set. You know, these people don't want to debate.

00:26:49.420 Tucker Carlson won't debate Ben Shapiro. You know, so I think just be out there and challenge people

00:26:56.260 politely, but forcefully. And I think ultimately, you know, the good guys will win this, but we just

00:27:02.980 have to have the strength of our conviction. So I know you've got to go, so I won't keep you

00:27:07.000 longer, even though I find this very interesting conversation. The only thing I'm going to disagree

00:27:10.700 with you on and your final point is that you're speaking as an American from California. So you

00:27:16.000 are not five, 10, 20 years further down the road of mass immigration from inherently anti-Semitic

00:27:23.740 countries. I have the pleasure of visiting wonderful places like Ireland and the United Kingdom

00:27:29.440 were massive. I was in Birmingham the other day. It's almost 50% Muslim there. And they just decided 0.97

00:27:36.940 they're not going to allow the Israeli football team to bring any of its fans. They banned Jewish

00:27:43.200 fans from going to a soccer match. That's what happens in a city that's 45% Muslim. And so what 0.99

00:27:50.040 you're talking about, an intellectual way forward, reasoning, Jewish-Christian dialogue, I love all

00:27:56.440 that. I think that moment has passed in the UK. Ireland is, you know, so lopsided, it's becoming

00:28:04.960 Islamified all the time. And in Canada, we're not far behind. So I think that what your prescription 1.00

00:28:11.200 hopefully works for America, but I'm afraid it's too late for much of the Anglosphere, including 1.00

00:28:17.900 probably Australia. Anyways, on that gloomy note, I'll say last word to you, Joel, and then we'll sign

00:28:24.360 off. Any final thoughts? Well, it is Thanksgiving. So I'm just very grateful for you and for the

00:28:29.980 rebel and for the opportunity to talk to you and to talk about the California Post. And also grateful

00:28:34.920 for President Donald Trump, because I do think he has started to set some boundaries to some of this

00:28:40.620 in terms of migration. I'm grateful to the support that he gave to Israel and the support he gives to

00:28:45.920 our American military, which, as you say, is somehow opposed by people who were on the right until

00:28:51.040 recently. But I'm grateful he's there. And I think that he will continue to succeed.

00:28:55.460 We have a different Thanksgiving date in Canada, but I'm grateful for Donald Trump also. I think

00:28:59.780 he's not just saving America, but he's saving much of the world. And I think although he's got a bombastic

00:29:05.240 style, I think he really does deserve the Nobel Prize for peace. I think what he's done around the

00:29:10.720 world and is trying to do in Ukraine, frankly, will save cumulatively millions. And so I am grateful

00:29:17.120 to him, even though he's being a bit rough on Canada these days. Joel, I'll let you go.

00:29:21.140 Congratulations on the California Post. We'll keep our eyes peeled for when that opens. Thanks

00:29:25.520 for spending some time with us. Thank you. All right. There he is. Joel Pollack, for years,

00:29:30.220 the senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com, now the incoming opinion editor at California Post. Well,

00:29:36.120 that's our show for the day. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:29:40.560 Headquarters to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 29, 2025

What's going on with the civil war inside the Republican Party？

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