Rebel News Podcast - What would a police state in Canada look like？ Watch these videos from the UK to find out

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. I got an interesting show for you today.

00:00:03.160 It really is video dependent, though. You've got to see these videos.

00:00:08.160 I show you a video of a Brit who was arrested for not allowing his face to be scanned

00:00:15.680 as he walked down the street as a pedestrian. Just unbelievable.

00:00:21.240 And then videos of how police in the United Kingdom are outrageously interfering with election campaigning.

00:00:29.460 I really want you to see the videos. I know most of you are listening to this podcast

00:00:33.320 because you have to. You're driving, you're commuting, something like that.

00:00:36.340 But you've got to see the video version of this. I tell you, you can't unsee the things I've just mentioned.

00:00:44.860 That video version is available in what we call premium content.

00:00:48.720 It's $8 a month or $80 for the whole year. You go to the rebel.media slash shows to sign up.

00:00:55.220 You can use it on your app. You can use it on your laptop, whatever.

00:00:57.680 You get access to the video version of this podcast, plus Sheila Gunn-Reed and David Menzies.

00:01:04.680 Obviously, the money helps us, so thank you for that.

00:01:06.540 But I just, especially this show today, it is so video dependent.

00:01:10.380 I know you're listening to this on a podcast, but you've really got to watch the video, too.

00:01:13.660 Okay, enough of a pitch from me. Here is the story about our dystopian future.

00:01:19.740 You are listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.

00:01:22.280 Tonight, what might it look like to have a police state in a democracy like Canada?

00:01:27.540 I have two videos that will cause the hairs on your arm to stand up.

00:01:31.560 It's May 20th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:34.100 I saw an incredible video on Twitter from the BBC, of all places, the state broadcaster of the United Kingdom.

00:02:02.500 I'll show it to you in a moment, but I want to tell you the irony.

00:02:05.500 You see, in the United Kingdom, you're forced to pay a BBC tax.

00:02:09.900 They call it a levy.

00:02:11.360 Unlike here in Canada, it's not just included in your regular tax bill.

00:02:15.240 It's a special tax, which I think is a good idea,

00:02:19.180 because people then know just how much they are being gouged to bail out a group of smarmy journalists

00:02:25.760 who sneer at the people all day.

00:02:28.080 I like it, because it's honest that way, this TV tax over there.

00:02:33.840 But it's brutal, too.

00:02:35.140 See, they harass you endlessly for your money.

00:02:39.460 You have to pay it.

00:02:40.040 I mean, you think the CBC in Canada is hated now?

00:02:44.400 Imagine if you were phoned, texted, mailed, demanding your CBC tax.

00:02:51.320 And if you didn't pay it, your TV would be cut off.

00:02:55.640 But this isn't by the cable company.

00:02:58.080 It's by the BBC's collection agency.

00:03:01.300 They have all these irritating public service ads about collections.

00:03:05.660 Here's a snippet.

00:03:07.460 Most of us need a television license.

00:03:09.900 And now there's even more help for those who are struggling to pay.

00:03:12.840 The annual cost of a standard license can be spread by monthly or quarterly direct debits,

00:03:18.980 or even by weekly cash payments.

00:03:21.580 We help direct debit customers by allowing them to pay any missed payments in smaller amounts.

00:03:27.480 For payment cardholders, we send text reminders, and they can even pay by text.

00:03:32.820 We call customers whose schemes are at risk and customers who miss payments,

00:03:37.280 offering to help before they become unlicensed.

00:03:39.800 That goes on and on.

00:03:42.740 I'm serious.

00:03:43.080 That is real.

00:03:44.180 You hate dealing with cell phone companies.

00:03:46.680 You hate dealing with cable companies being unholded.

00:03:48.700 Imagine that.

00:03:50.040 Imagine that.

00:03:50.980 Now, I read all about these BBC detector vans.

00:03:55.600 These detector vans that somehow claim to detect if you're watching the BBC but didn't pay for your license, mate.

00:04:03.600 Now, I thought it was an urban legend.

00:04:04.960 I mean, how could they know, right?

00:04:07.060 And by what right could they spy on you and what you were doing?

00:04:11.240 Well, read this.

00:04:12.420 This is from their official website.

00:04:14.880 How do the detector vans work?

00:04:17.780 We have a range of detection tools at our disposal in our vans.

00:04:22.380 Some aspects of the equipment have been developed in such secrecy that engineers working on specific detection methods work in isolation.

00:04:30.160 So, not even they know how the other detection methods work.

00:04:33.920 This gives us the best chance of catching license evaders.

00:04:39.740 I'm serious.

00:04:40.520 That's a real thing.

00:04:41.260 Oh, believe me.

00:04:41.940 I thought that was a satire.

00:04:44.200 I thought that was someone mocking it.

00:04:46.660 No.

00:04:47.040 They snoop on you.

00:04:50.040 The BBC snoops on you.

00:04:51.840 I don't know, through your Wi-Fi or something.

00:04:53.920 I don't know.

00:04:55.000 Or maybe that's just a psyops, a way to make you think you're being spied on so you pay out of paranoia.

00:05:01.700 Of course, if you don't pay the £154.50p, which is more than $200, they'll prosecute you and they'll fine you £1,000 plus legal fees.

00:05:18.980 That's the BBC.

00:05:20.320 They are odious.

00:05:22.580 Okay.

00:05:23.500 I just wanted to tell you who we're dealing with here because it makes the fact that they made this next video surprising.

00:05:29.080 Okay?

00:05:30.220 Back to the video I want to show you.

00:05:31.380 And you will agree, it is a bit rich that this is coming from the BBC, them and their spying bands.

00:05:57.340 Don't cover my face.

00:05:59.000 Don't cover me face.

00:05:59.840 Don't push me over where I want you.

00:06:01.040 Don't cover me, Bruce.

00:06:10.920 How would you like it if you walked down the street with someone like to hold yourself down?

00:06:14.740 You go and hang up.

00:06:15.500 It's up to you.

00:06:16.640 You want to break it for trouble?

00:06:17.720 You want to join that people?

00:06:18.920 What's your suspicion?

00:06:20.900 The fact that he walked past a clearly marked place of recognition thing and covered his face.

00:06:25.160 I would do the same.

00:06:25.940 I would do the same.

00:06:25.960 It gives us grounds to stop him.

00:06:27.700 No, it doesn't.

00:06:28.380 The chap told me down the road, he said he's got facial recognition.

00:06:37.000 So I walked past like that.

00:06:38.760 It's a cold day as well.

00:06:40.840 As I've done that, the police officers asked me to come to him.

00:06:44.000 So I've got me back up. 0.99

00:06:45.820 I said to him, **** off, basically. 0.96

00:06:48.320 I said, I don't want me face shown on anything. 0.98

00:06:51.600 If I don't want to cover me face, I cover me face.

00:06:53.160 It's not for them to tell me not to cover me face.

00:06:55.000 I've got a now 90 pound fine.

00:06:57.000 There you go.

00:06:57.640 Look at that.

00:06:58.460 Thanks, lads.

00:06:59.380 90 pound.

00:07:00.280 Well done.

00:07:00.940 We ought to explore all technology to see how it can keep people safer, how it can make policing more effective.

00:07:11.700 However, we are completely aware of some of the concerns that are raised.

00:07:15.560 And what we're doing with these trials is actually trying to understand those better so we can actually protect human rights but also keep people safe at the same time.

00:07:30.940 That's incredible to me.

00:07:32.620 It seemed too perfect, too on the nose.

00:07:35.480 Again, I thought that was fake.

00:07:38.240 But there is nothing too absurd in the United Kingdom these days.

00:07:40.960 I mean, they had a vote to leave the European Union, right?

00:07:44.640 It was called Brexit, right?

00:07:45.920 The vote was held way back in 2016, right?

00:07:49.900 They were supposed to leave on March 29th of this year, right?

00:07:52.580 And they just didn't.

00:07:55.320 Their government just refused to follow the will of the people. 0.98

00:07:58.400 So, yeah, it's clown world. 0.95

00:08:00.520 Up is down. 0.86

00:08:01.200 Down is up.

00:08:03.140 So a man sees the police are spying on the streets, spying on everyone indiscriminately, without any probable cause, without any reasonable suspicion of anything.

00:08:11.620 They're literally searching, in a way, everyone who goes out of their own private house, probably searching them in their house, too, if the BBC vans are any guide.

00:08:20.840 And a man thinks, well, I've done nothing wrong.

00:08:23.200 So saw it off, as the Brits would say.

00:08:25.360 Sorry to swear.

00:08:26.060 I think that's a British swear. 0.95

00:08:27.100 He chose another swear, it sounds like.

00:08:29.860 And the police arrested him for not showing his face, but he did nothing wrong.

00:08:35.240 They admitted he did nothing wrong, but to say or act like he did nothing wrong was wrong.

00:08:41.460 So it's a catch-22.

00:08:43.000 If you submit to the warrantless search of your face to be matched against a government database of faces, if you submit to it, oh, you're fine.

00:08:51.920 Maybe.

00:08:53.040 They didn't say what the three people arrested were arrested for, did they?

00:08:55.920 So if you comply with their illegal warrantless search of you, you're not in trouble.

00:09:00.880 But if you don't comply with their illegal search, then you're in trouble.

00:09:04.580 And they will search you anyways and fine you 90 pounds, more than 150 bucks.

00:09:09.700 And they'll touch you and push you and psychologically assault you.

00:09:12.940 No privacy anymore.

00:09:14.460 And the cherry on top was that cop at the end.

00:09:17.620 He's very sensitive to the community, you see.

00:09:19.880 It's for your own safety, you see.

00:09:22.060 And he really, he deeply cares about your human rights.

00:09:25.240 And that's why he has to violate your human rights to protect your human rights, you see.

00:09:29.480 It's like the gallows humor about Mai Lai in Vietnam.

00:09:33.300 To save the village became necessary to destroy the village.

00:09:37.320 Hey, I got a question for you.

00:09:38.760 What if it wasn't an indigenous Brit of middle age who seems to have an instinctive understanding about his ancient rights?

00:09:46.540 He doesn't sound like a lawyer to me.

00:09:48.080 He sounds very middle class, as they would say in the UK.

00:09:50.380 Normal guy, maybe even working class. 0.69

00:09:52.040 But he knows he can walk on the streets without being molested by a police officer.

00:09:56.000 It's not like the stereotypical scene in movies made about Nazi Germany, where any cop or any agent can call you over and command,

00:10:03.080 I am Papierenbieter, show me your papers, please.

00:10:06.480 Yeah, no, no, no, no.

00:10:08.020 That's what they all fought against in the Second World War.

00:10:11.060 Not in a free country like the UK.

00:10:13.080 The Magna Carta took care of that in 1215.

00:10:15.100 You should read it.

00:10:17.800 But hey, do you think that cop would pull over, let alone touch, let alone find,

00:10:22.040 and prosecute, ooh, a Muslim woman wearing a face obscuring niqab? 0.99

00:10:26.600 Facial recognition don't work on that, now do it. 0.89

00:10:29.040 Are you kidding me?

00:10:29.940 We know the answer to that.

00:10:30.840 Of course not.

00:10:32.220 He'd be drummed out of the police if he tried.

00:10:34.200 Now, I am very sympathetic to laws against covering your face.

00:10:37.560 In certain times and places, I'm against burkas obscuring the face in court, for example. 1.00

00:10:42.980 I think you shouldn't go into a bank or a jewelry store with your face covered.

00:10:46.660 You could be a thief.

00:10:47.900 It's a disguise.

00:10:48.540 I think our customs and our politeness and our social cohesion depend on seeing each

00:10:53.560 other in the eye.

00:10:54.360 It's the essence of trust.

00:10:56.080 We call someone shifty-eyed.

00:10:57.960 We say someone can't hold our gaze.

00:11:00.020 We say someone is dishonest merely by how their eyes move, where their eyes move.

00:11:04.940 It's an amazing thing.

00:11:06.280 We don't even think about it.

00:11:07.540 It's second nature, rolling your eyes.

00:11:09.380 I like seeing people's eyes.

00:11:10.680 But it's different when showing your eyes lets a policeman inspect you and log you and

00:11:17.600 your movements in a database with who knows what else it's being matched against.

00:11:21.200 And it's a bit different, isn't it?

00:11:23.260 It's like if police could pick up your fingerprints from afar, electronically in some way, with like

00:11:28.180 some super high-res camera.

00:11:29.960 I bet they actually can.

00:11:31.180 You bet we'd all wear gloves if we thought that could happen.

00:11:34.360 What are the police doing over there?

00:11:35.520 When I was in London last week, I saw a bunch of prosecutors try to put Tommy Robinson back

00:11:41.360 in prison for contempt of court.

00:11:42.880 They admitted before the judge that Tommy did not actually disrupt the trial.

00:11:46.640 No one alleges that anymore.

00:11:47.860 Well, one of the convicted rapists did, but that was rejected as nonsense by the high court.

00:11:51.820 So they're prosecuting Tommy, again, on July 4th, for causing stress to several of the rapists

00:11:57.340 on their way into court when they were convicted because Tommy heckled them gently as they went

00:12:02.420 in on their judgment day. 0.99

00:12:04.000 Serial child rapist. 0.99

00:12:05.080 Tommy was mean to them, said the attorney general. 0.99

00:12:07.480 So the police and the prosecutors are going after him yet again.

00:12:12.640 That's what they're doing in the UK.

00:12:14.260 There are 23,000 real jihadists on a watch list in the UK.

00:12:19.000 You know that.

00:12:20.240 And 3,000 of them are apparently being watched around the clock.

00:12:24.740 You know how many police officers it takes to watch one person around the clock?

00:12:28.880 It takes dozens.

00:12:32.060 Now, I'm not sure what it even does.

00:12:33.460 Why are you watching them?

00:12:36.360 What are you watching for?

00:12:38.340 Why are you not arresting them?

00:12:40.780 Prosecuting them, deporting them, so you watch them, but you don't do anything?

00:12:45.020 I mean, not even pulling them over to give them a 90-pound fine and a talking to?

00:12:48.860 Last year, I met one of those jihadists, literally on the street.

00:12:54.080 He was stalking Tommy at his earlier trial.

00:12:56.900 He was just on the street.

00:12:58.560 I don't know.

00:12:58.960 We talked for about 20 minutes.

00:13:00.020 You can find that video on YouTube.

00:13:02.660 He didn't deny anything I put to him.

00:13:04.320 He was sort of obscure, I suppose.

00:13:06.320 That's the United Kingdom.

00:13:07.960 He's just on the street.

00:13:08.900 That's a jihadi. 0.99

00:13:09.580 But be a law-abiding Brit, and the cops will come for you.

00:13:15.520 Here's a tweet by a police force in Regent's Park.

00:13:19.940 This is a real police force.

00:13:21.320 They're so proud of themselves.

00:13:23.160 Let me read the tweet.

00:13:23.940 Yesterday, we conducted weapons sweeps, dealt with a person injured from a van reversing

00:13:29.540 on them, reported a burglary, and collected all these from a charity shop who diligently

00:13:34.960 didn't want them to get into the wrong hands and disposed of correctly and safely.

00:13:40.720 So it was a weapons sweep.

00:13:43.580 So there's some kitchen knives, and do you see there's a spoon there on the left-hand side

00:13:49.580 about the middle?

00:13:51.380 There's a spoon there.

00:13:54.760 So the cops are collecting spoons now. 0.98

00:13:59.620 I could make a stupid pun about going after serial killers, but I'm not feeling that laughy 0.98

00:14:06.360 right now, I'll tell you. 0.98

00:14:08.220 So that's the state of policing in the United Kingdom.

00:14:10.980 But then I saw a video by our own Jessica S., who was with me covering Tommy's trial in

00:14:17.000 London, and she had stayed on to report from the election and covered Tommy's campaign.

00:14:21.040 Same reason we went to the trial, because we simply can't trust the media party to tell

00:14:25.200 us what's going on.

00:14:26.140 So she was at a Tommy campaign event.

00:14:28.560 I gave her standing orders for her reporting.

00:14:30.440 I said, interview people who like Tommy, and interview people who don't like Tommy, and

00:14:36.220 show us both.

00:14:37.360 It's called reporting.

00:14:38.200 So she tried to do that.

00:14:41.980 And guess who stopped her?

00:14:45.040 Well, see for yourself.

00:14:45.940 Can I talk to the protesters?

00:14:55.760 No, from behind the colleagues you can, yeah.

00:14:58.360 But I can't ask them a question?

00:15:00.500 From behind my colleagues, there you can, yeah.

00:15:02.260 We're just keeping the groups separately to prevent any issues.

00:15:05.380 I wouldn't be able to catch the audio from so far away.

00:15:08.340 Right, well, that's what we're doing.

00:15:09.980 So if you can just go back behind my colleagues for me.

00:15:11.500 So I can't talk to the protesters?

00:15:12.880 You can talk to them from there, yeah.

00:15:14.720 It's not fair to antagonize people from each line.

00:15:17.000 So we're not letting them pass to us, and we're not letting you pass them.

00:15:19.260 I'm not taking any sides.

00:15:20.780 I'm talking to everyone.

00:15:21.900 I'm not suggesting you are.

00:15:22.820 I'm just asking if you go past my colleagues.

00:15:24.740 Okay?

00:15:25.120 Thanks.

00:15:25.660 The protesters, the nation, the nation.

00:15:31.080 What was that?

00:15:32.980 Were the police calling Jessica a protester?

00:15:35.760 Or implying that she was antagonizing people, that she was a troublemaker?

00:15:39.660 She wasn't protesting.

00:15:40.620 She wasn't antagonizing.

00:15:41.960 She was there to ask questions.

00:15:44.100 She had a camera.

00:15:44.860 She had a microphone with her affiliation clearly marked on it.

00:15:47.460 She would simply go up to people.

00:15:48.860 Why are you here?

00:15:50.060 Who are you?

00:15:50.900 What do you have to say?

00:15:53.720 Or is it that the police thought that the leftists would get violence in response?

00:15:57.900 I don't know.

00:15:58.460 Or was it that the police don't like the rebel, and they know the rebel?

00:16:00.880 I don't even suspect that was the case.

00:16:03.760 Or were the police just being their capricious selves, as they more often are?

00:16:10.020 Just doing and saying what they please, because what are you going to do about it?

00:16:13.820 You want a 90-pound fine?

00:16:15.240 Come back here! 0.80

00:16:16.760 Show your face, or you'll get a 90-pound fine!

00:16:18.900 And it's much easier to push around a young woman than to handle a mob of leftists, ain't it? 1.00

00:16:26.460 By the way, I think those protesters would have spoken to her.

00:16:31.980 I mean, they came to the protests with signs.

00:16:34.560 That's an indication that they have something to say, and they want the world to know.

00:16:38.360 The police officer was being a censor.

00:16:42.800 There was no probable cause, again, like the bloke on the street.

00:16:46.440 There was no reasonable grounds.

00:16:48.940 The trouble with Jessica was afoot.

00:16:53.480 Look at this, look at this, look at this.

00:16:55.560 Tommy has a little truck.

00:16:57.500 This was from at the courthouse that day.

00:17:00.340 Tommy has a truck with a billboard on the back and a PA system.

00:17:03.860 It's not that big a truck.

00:17:05.260 It's sort of a retractable screen.

00:17:10.180 And he drives, as you can see, he parks it in a town center.

00:17:13.000 He hops on the flatbed of the truck, and he gives a little speech.

00:17:17.660 It's not that big a truck.

00:17:19.580 It's the size of that sign there and a cab.

00:17:22.720 Yeah, you can see the length of it.

00:17:25.560 It's not like a bus length.

00:17:27.420 Now, it's how all the politicians campaign in the United Kingdom.

00:17:33.500 Here's a double-decker bus of Nigel Farage when he was with UKIP.

00:17:39.740 I can tell those are the purple UKIP colors.

00:17:42.040 Now, he's the leader of the Brexit party.

00:17:44.340 He's got another double-decker bus in Brexit party colors.

00:17:47.940 It's what they do in the UK.

00:17:49.380 It's a small country, unlike Canada, so they don't have to jet around.

00:17:52.600 So Tommy rolls into a town with his little truck, much smaller than the double-decker bus.

00:17:57.000 You saw Nigel Farage there.

00:17:58.560 Tommy is a registered legal candidate, paid his filing fee.

00:18:03.440 He is campaigning.

00:18:04.740 The election is next week, actually.

00:18:08.640 And the police, they just stop him.

00:18:14.600 They stop that bloke on the street because he didn't want to have his eyeballs red or whatever.

00:18:18.560 They stop Jessica on the street because she wanted to ask a question.

00:18:22.280 You can't do that in the UK.

00:18:24.400 Where do you think you are?

00:18:25.820 And they just stopped Tommy's vehicle.

00:18:28.260 It wasn't speeding.

00:18:29.400 It wasn't in any way improper or illegal.

00:18:31.500 They just decided to block the roads, just for him, though, just him.

00:18:38.640 And they deployed 32 police officers to do it.

00:18:41.960 There were no counter-protesters where Tommy was.

00:18:46.180 They just stopped him.

00:18:47.420 He was so revved up by all this, Tommy actually grabbed one of our microphones

00:18:51.740 and interviewed the cops himself as a reporter.

00:18:55.060 I wasn't thrilled about that part.

00:18:57.040 But listen to what Tommy said to the cops.

00:19:00.260 We're just filming yourselves, guys, I saw.

00:19:01.740 Why are you filming us?

00:19:02.400 It's exactly the same reason you're filming us.

00:19:03.900 No, no, I'm filming you now.

00:19:05.600 Yeah, so exactly the same as what you're filming us.

00:19:08.020 So what's the reason for them?

00:19:09.200 Give me the reasons we're on that.

00:19:10.400 So you're filming, why are you filming me?

00:19:12.280 For the prevention of crime.

00:19:13.720 You're filming me for the prevention of crime.

00:19:15.620 Can you explain?

00:19:16.340 You've got 38 officers in this small square.

00:19:18.080 There's a few more things of that list.

00:19:19.540 Do you not get any crime in Carlyle?

00:19:21.420 Is there no crime?

00:19:23.080 Can you, can you, can you explain?

00:19:24.120 Of course there's crime in Carlyle.

00:19:24.800 So why are 38 police officers here for me

00:19:27.060 walking around talking to people?

00:19:29.940 Can we find out why the police do it?

00:19:31.320 Right, so I spoke to our chief inspector, okay,

00:19:34.200 who is our silver commander,

00:19:35.520 and he's told us that we have the power

00:19:37.800 to prevent anyone parking in a restricted area,

00:19:42.340 which that is, as we explained, Tommy, it's disabled only.

00:19:45.560 And that's what we're doing today.

00:19:47.460 And that's why the police officers were there.

00:19:50.400 And that's for everybody.

00:19:51.760 That's for everybody, he said, yes.

00:19:53.420 What about the van that's down there?

00:19:54.260 What about the van that car there?

00:19:55.700 The only other thing I can say to you is

00:19:57.240 when I question things like that,

00:19:58.900 the chief inspector said that if you wanted

00:20:00.940 to make a complaint, make one direct to him

00:20:03.000 through the proper channels.

00:20:04.360 What police law is it that you're using to do that?

00:20:06.940 Do you know?

00:20:07.500 Regulations under the Road Traffic Act, yeah.

00:20:11.020 So how come you're not stopping any other cars coming in?

00:20:13.120 Any other cars?

00:20:14.520 I'm not down there at present, so I can't.

00:20:16.420 Okay, so your police officers are all around the whole town,

00:20:18.520 the whole town centre.

00:20:19.660 They're positioned at every entrance and road

00:20:21.240 into the town centre.

00:20:21.860 And everywhere we try to drive, they stand in the road.

00:20:25.200 They literally stand in the road and say,

00:20:26.680 you're not allowed to drive down there.

00:20:28.540 What police law am I breaking if I drive down there?

00:20:32.060 As I've just said, the regulation of the Road Traffic Act.

00:20:35.980 And what happens then?

00:20:37.680 So if a car drives down there, what happens?

00:20:39.540 They'll get a fine.

00:20:40.340 They'll get a fine, yeah.

00:20:41.060 So what law where the police block the road?

00:20:44.900 Because it's not a police criminal offence, is it?

00:20:48.080 We've got a duty to prevent things from happening.

00:20:51.380 But it's not a crime.

00:20:52.300 It's not a criminal offence.

00:20:53.600 It's not a recordable offence, correct,

00:20:54.920 but it's still an offence under the Road Traffic Act.

00:20:57.520 So it's enforceable by the police to stop a car parking on a WL line?

00:21:01.140 Yeah, that's right, yeah.

00:21:02.120 We can't in good conscience stand and watch something happen

00:21:05.820 that shouldn't happen.

00:21:06.400 It went on for a bit.

00:21:10.620 So the cops admit the obvious.

00:21:13.820 He didn't do anything wrong.

00:21:15.680 But that last guy there, you know, something might happen, you see.

00:21:18.660 And something might happen that has to be stopped.

00:21:21.360 So we're stopping something that might happen.

00:21:25.400 38 cops.

00:21:26.440 Yeah, you know, something might happen with those 23,000 jihadis, too.

00:21:31.200 But they're never stopped now, are they?

00:21:33.300 Something might happen with Tommy, though.

00:21:36.800 Better stop him.

00:21:37.660 He's a candidate in the election.

00:21:39.080 Better stop him, though.

00:21:40.320 That's my time machine, folks.

00:21:42.700 That's what I like to say.

00:21:43.600 I go to the UK.

00:21:44.600 It's like my dystopian time machine.

00:21:47.020 I can see our future.

00:21:50.060 I like Tommy.

00:21:50.880 I'm a friend of his.

00:21:51.480 I have a connection to him in that he's a former employee.

00:21:53.720 We helped crowdfund his legal bills.

00:21:55.720 I agree with much, if not most, of what he has to say.

00:21:58.600 But even if none of that were true, even if I did not like him personally, and even if I disagreed with every word he said,

00:22:04.480 I would still find it appalling that a free citizen of the United Kingdom running as a registered political candidate for an election to public office would be censored this way by police.

00:22:15.360 But how is it any different from scanning the face of any private citizen and finding them if they don't agree to be scanned that way?

00:22:25.460 How is it any different from seizing spoons, but letting jihadis go?

00:22:30.860 That's the UK, my friends.

00:22:32.620 Visit the London Bridge while it's still standing.

00:22:36.360 Visit Buckingham Palace in Westminster while they're still up.

00:22:39.920 One day we'll wake up, I fear, and those places will be torched or demolished like Notre Dame in Paris was on fire.

00:22:50.220 I wonder what caused that.

00:22:51.440 We still don't really know, do we?

00:22:53.520 It was destroyed in some way.

00:22:57.260 But really, who cares about bricks and stones?

00:23:00.700 It's the British history and culture and law that's already being destroyed.

00:23:05.320 Surely the stones will be the last to go long after the laws and customs are gone.

00:23:13.360 Stay with us for more.

00:23:28.200 We're having probably the greatest economy that we've had anywhere, anytime in the history of our country.

00:23:35.320 We're having a little squabble with China because we've been treated very unfairly for many, many decades, for actually a long time.

00:23:45.340 And it should have been handled a long time ago, and it wasn't, and we'll handle it now.

00:23:50.220 I think it's going to be – I think it's going to turn out extremely well.

00:23:53.620 We're in a very strong position.

00:23:54.940 We are the piggy bank that everybody likes to take advantage of or take from, and we can't let that happen anymore.

00:24:02.800 We've been losing for many years, anywhere from $300 billion to $500 billion a year with China and trade with China.

00:24:12.020 We can't let that happen.

00:24:13.140 There you have it, President Donald Trump talking tough about his trade negotiations with China.

00:24:21.460 I don't know if you recall us playing that mashup clip of Trump saying China, China, China in the campaign.

00:24:27.480 I mean, it's fair to say Trump has been – I'm not going to say obsessed with China, but let me say seized with the matter of China for decades and before it with Japan and other countries that he said have had unfair one-sided access to U.S. markets.

00:24:44.060 Now, of course, libertarian purists would say, oh, there's no such thing as a bad trade deal.

00:24:51.920 Any trade is better than no trade, and some actually say we should unilaterally declare free trade with the world, and our consumers would benefit.

00:25:01.500 But Donald Trump's point of view is that hollows out U.S. industry, and he's fighting back.

00:25:08.380 Well, how is it going?

00:25:10.100 How is it working?

00:25:11.160 Is it a proper conservative or Republican point of view?

00:25:15.480 Joining us now to help answer those questions is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.

00:25:21.140 Joel, great to see you again.

00:25:22.680 Good to be with you.

00:25:23.760 Joel, I grew up, as some conservatives of my generation did, being a libertarian purist, sort of a Koch brothers, Milton Friedman-style believer in open markets and, you know, let people in good cross borders.

00:25:38.020 But that just never really worked with China.

00:25:40.920 They never really let our stuff in, either from Canada or the United States, on terms that were meaningful.

00:25:48.200 They stole intellectual property.

00:25:50.700 They never really let us have proper access to their market.

00:25:54.720 But, boy, they had access to ours.

00:25:56.200 Right, exactly.

00:25:59.380 Well, what's really been interesting here this week is to watch many left-wing critics of Trump suddenly come around and support his China policy.

00:26:09.560 I think what really seems to have brought people together is the realization that China may not be as tough as people thought it was.

00:26:18.420 The Chinese economy is not in the greatest shape.

00:26:20.700 And it turns out they're more dependent on the U.S. economy than the U.S. economy is dependent on them.

00:26:25.260 And so the tariffs that we've already had have not stopped our economy but have hurt China.

00:26:31.900 So raising those tariffs, as President Trump did last week, has accelerated the trade war but has not really hurt the U.S. economy.

00:26:44.340 Very mild damage in the stock market.

00:26:46.260 So pundits on the left and the right and politicians, too, are lining up behind the president, which is not true of any other issue.

00:26:54.200 People have the sense that he can win this and that he needs to win it.

00:26:59.060 So that's been very interesting.

00:27:00.420 Of all the manifestations of Trump's braggadocio, I mean, that style, that Manhattan property developer style, that chutzpah, whatever you want to call it, braggadocio seems to be the word.

00:27:15.440 It rubs some people the wrong way in many occasions, even though it's just an aesthetic thing.

00:27:20.440 But in terms of foreign trade negotiations, that might be the place where it's a best fit if Trump cannot blink.

00:27:31.100 I mean, I watched in horror as my own country of Canada, Joel, was devoured by Trump.

00:27:37.960 I don't think it's because he has an enmity towards Canada.

00:27:44.140 I think we just had a Trump deranged prime minister who really was looking to pick a fight.

00:27:49.700 But I think Trump can be a brutal negotiator on things that it really matters, whether it's getting NATO countries to spend more on their defense or getting trade deals that really open up foreign markets.

00:28:03.240 I think he's a winner.

00:28:04.380 Let me tell you this.

00:28:05.640 He's made a fair trade supporter out of me, and I used to be a libertarian free trader.

00:28:13.160 I've been convinced by Trump.

00:28:14.740 Well, I still believe in free trade, and I'm opposed to tariffs.

00:28:22.760 I think what has saved us in this round are a couple of things.

00:28:26.720 One, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates over the last year.

00:28:30.800 They've stopped doing that now, but they raised rates, and that kept inflation low.

00:28:34.620 Number two, the Chinese economy just happens to be not very strong, and the other economic policies of the Trump administration have been very good.

00:28:44.520 So you can have tariffs if you're also, at the same time, drastically lowering the cost of doing business in the United States, which we are.

00:28:52.220 So that has helped companies move back to the U.S. and produce here, meaning that the prices of goods haven't necessarily changed.

00:29:03.840 They're finding it cheaper to produce here.

00:29:06.120 So there's been some things that Trump has done very well, and that his administration, if you want to include the Federal Reserve in that, have also done well.

00:29:13.860 And we've also been lucky.

00:29:14.800 It's not to say that prices won't go up, or there won't be economic damage from the much higher tariffs now, but we'll have to see.

00:29:23.400 What is interesting is that China's response has been largely ineffectual, and we're making it clear not just that we can compete with China on price,

00:29:33.240 but also that there's a risk to doing business in China that is greater than people have perceived it to be.

00:29:40.420 So they'd rather do business in the United States than in China.

00:29:43.520 And I think the Chinese are starting to realize that if they want to hold on to some of these multinational companies that have set up shop there, they're going to have to play ball. 0.86

00:29:52.020 Yeah.

00:29:52.220 I mean, when Apple announced it was going to repatriate its foreign cash and some of its high-tech factories, I think that was a shock.

00:29:59.720 The idea of companies like that reshoring to America was thought impossible.

00:30:06.500 You know what?

00:30:07.120 I mean, you're right.

00:30:08.180 I don't think tariffs themselves are the goal.

00:30:10.380 I think they're the stick to beat the other guy until the goal is achieved, which is, you know, open access and no more dumping in America.

00:30:18.920 I actually think that Trump doesn't want the tariffs.

00:30:22.920 He's boasting about them to try and rub them in.

00:30:26.120 I think he would actually want China to do a deal that is more of a level playing field.

00:30:32.380 Would you agree with me that that's his actual—he's a bully to get to what he wants, which is trade peace, not a—he would rather have—I mean, he said something.

00:30:43.100 Sorry I'm going on.

00:30:43.720 But he said, we've been in a trade war for decades.

00:30:46.360 We just never fought back.

00:30:48.160 He's sort of implied that this is how you end the trade war, by finally shooting back.

00:30:52.040 Would you agree with that?

00:30:52.700 Yeah, so that's been a pattern throughout his career, and there may be a New York style to that where he's been very confrontational and aggressive.

00:31:02.720 But in dealmaking, he's very gentlemanly, and he delivers on his promises.

00:31:09.040 So he's not just a bully, but he can use very harsh tactics, and I think he's doing that with China. 1.00

00:31:14.380 Look, he's doing it with Iran as well.

00:31:15.740 I mean, he's got sanctions in place.

00:31:17.960 He's got the military moving there.

00:31:19.920 And all of a sudden, the Iranians said, we don't think there's going to be a war.

00:31:23.780 And Trump is saying, we can be great friends if you agree to do X, Y, and Z.

00:31:28.480 X, Y, and Z, of course, are things Iran probably doesn't want to do, but—or at least the regime doesn't want to do.

00:31:34.160 But he is always showing that other side.

00:31:37.860 When he's doing something harsh, he often shows at the same time that he can be very gentle.

00:31:44.080 Likewise with North Korea, he threatened fire and fury, but then also said, maybe we can be friends someday about Kim Jong-un.

00:31:51.740 So this is the Trump style, and I think that China is starting to understand that.

00:31:56.760 Yeah, you know, and I think you and I have talked before about that key moment in Ronald Reagan's first term,

00:32:01.600 when the air traffic controllers threatened to go on an illegal strike.

00:32:05.680 It was a real who will blink first moment.

00:32:08.000 Trump fired them all.

00:32:09.300 It was an illegal strike.

00:32:10.540 Fired them all, put in the military.

00:32:11.700 And that wasn't just a signal domestically.

00:32:16.000 That's when the Soviets knew they had a different kettle of fish in the White House as opposed to Jimmy Carter.

00:32:24.400 I think that whether it's his extremely harsh sanctions on Russia, which are far tougher than anything Obama did,

00:32:33.880 his tough approach to China, tough approach to—his carrot and stick with North Korea.

00:32:38.020 And he really hasn't given North Korea that much yet.

00:32:40.780 And you're right, with Iran and Venezuela, I think the guy's building up a track record where whatever people say about him,

00:32:47.740 they at least know that his threats are probably going to come true.

00:32:52.680 And his promises, well, they could come true, too.

00:32:57.920 I mean, just today, Trump lifted tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel.

00:33:04.700 I think that was sort of a sign that he, you know, he's not looking to fight for fighting's sake.

00:33:09.100 Right, and also he's showing China that he can play ball.

00:33:15.960 If they want to come to an agreement, the Chinese will have some benefits from that. 0.99

00:33:22.000 Right now, the only obstacle to that USMCA agreement is Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats,

00:33:26.920 who are reluctant to give Trump a win.

00:33:29.300 And so they're insisting on new wage provisions in the agreement, something that's very unlikely to happen.

00:33:34.400 But who knows, maybe I can convince Canada through you—no, I'm just kidding.

00:33:40.740 Basically, the Democrats don't want to give him a win.

00:33:42.540 But on China, interestingly, they are lining up behind him.

00:33:45.760 Trump has been incredibly effective in these negotiations.

00:33:49.040 And even Tom Friedman of the New York Times, who's a Trump opponent, said that it's possible that only Trump could do what is necessary to correct our trade imbalance with China.

00:34:02.580 Isn't that interesting?

00:34:03.900 You know, I—just can you expand on that?

00:34:07.120 I mean, the New York Times despises Trump, and the particular New York Times columnist you mentioned, I mean, looks down on Trump intellectually, aesthetically, socially, in every way.

00:34:18.460 So, expand on that.

00:34:21.100 I haven't read the columnist or the column in question.

00:34:24.380 Is it because Trump can be so tough and no one else who would have been president would have been that tough?

00:34:31.280 Or is it because Trump—

00:34:32.260 Yeah, he said it on television here.

00:34:34.620 He said he doesn't think that Trump is the president America deserves, but he is the president China deserves.

00:34:41.400 He's the American president China deserves in the sense that we don't like the way he governs. 0.83

00:34:47.280 This is Tom Friedman.

00:34:48.940 He's harsh. 0.96

00:34:49.660 He's a bully, et cetera, et cetera.

00:34:51.320 But we definitely want China to feel the impact of that behavior. 0.99

00:34:55.400 We want a tough guy to stand up for us against China. 0.97

00:34:58.700 So, it was very interesting, especially because Friedman's a big admirer of China.

00:35:02.200 Yeah, isn't that the truth?

00:35:04.220 Well, you know what?

00:35:05.120 I remember during the 2016 election campaign, I thought that—I mean, look, I'm a Canadian.

00:35:10.840 I'm an outsider, so I don't really know things in a deeper personal way.

00:35:16.500 But there was one TV ad I saw by the Steelworkers Union that was—I thought it was devastating.

00:35:23.240 And it claimed that Trump was all talk on China, and he used foreign steel for his own buildings because it was cheap, and it was, oh, Trump's a soft-handed boss.

00:35:35.580 And they interviewed this really big steelworker from Indiana.

00:35:39.020 And I thought, oh, my God, this video is not only incredibly persuasive, but it speaks to those blue-collar, white, rust-belt voters that the Steelworkers knew were the key.

00:35:55.120 Hillary Clinton didn't care about them. 1.00

00:35:56.580 She found them de classe.

00:35:58.300 And I don't think that Steelworkers ad got a lot of play.

00:36:02.020 I think it was just really to please their base.

00:36:03.940 I reached out to the steelworker in question in that ad, and I've had a very slow-motion Facebook conversation with him.

00:36:12.140 And I used to say, well, are you impressed with Trump yet?

00:36:14.780 And he was skeptical and skeptical and skeptical.

00:36:17.400 And he's come around—I should probably do a show on that, Joel—the actual steelworker in the United Steelworkers ad from Indiana, who I found a terrifying voice against Trump.

00:36:28.900 He's come around—and he's a boss.

00:36:31.200 He's not like a grassroots guy.

00:36:32.760 He's a union boss.

00:36:33.940 Do you think that's a wide—I mean, that's a one-person data point.

00:36:38.240 That's barely an anecdote.

00:36:39.880 Well, it is anecdotal, but we are seeing similar things elsewhere.

00:36:44.800 The Associated Press, also no fan of Trump or no friend to Trump, I should say,

00:36:49.260 they did a similar piece recently where they went to Wisconsin and basically explained why Wisconsin is still very much a state Trump can win again in 2020 because he has done so much for the economy that people there simply say, well, are we better off than we were three years ago?

00:37:12.760 And the answer is yes.

00:37:15.340 As the article put it, the kids are moving out of their parents' basements.

00:37:18.460 And so it's hard to argue with that.

00:37:21.440 I think that Trump will start to see more and more of that kind of reaction as long as things keep going the way they do.

00:37:26.280 Now, he has got some problems on particular issues where Democrats are strong, like health care.

00:37:32.460 He also has not solved the country's immigration problem, although he made a nice speech about it yesterday.

00:37:38.920 So he's got to do as much as he can to convince the voters that he's moving forward, that there's some progress on these issues.

00:37:45.800 And that's going to be key to his re-election.

00:37:49.280 I have one last question for you, and I appreciate your time.

00:37:52.040 You know, when things are really rough, people vote for change.

00:37:57.520 But sometimes when things are really good, people vote for change, too, because they say, you know, things are so good, I feel comfortable to take a risk.

00:38:06.160 I mean, I think you could say that after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Americans thought, well, we're in the post-historical era, perpetual peace.

00:38:15.640 Yeah, let's elect Bill Clinton, and it doesn't matter because things are so good.

00:38:19.580 Do you think there's a risk that America could be made great again, and people would say, yeah, okay, Donald Trump did his part, and now let's choose someone that we find emotionally more connecting to us, that makes us feel better than Trump, and that America, when things are great, like you say in Wisconsin, kids moving out of their parents' house, they say, okay, because of that, we're comfortable to take an electoral risk.

00:38:45.120 Is that a possibility, or is that really not how it works in America?

00:38:49.580 There is that possibility, and it's hard to say, although usually when people have gone in the other direction like that, it's been because things are going poorly economically.

00:39:05.400 People don't usually switch.

00:39:07.040 As you say, yes, the end of the Clinton era, people switched to Bush, but then, of course, there was the recession of 2000, so things tend to shift when the economy shifts, not when it's stable.

00:39:20.460 It is possible people could decide, thank you very much, Donald Trump, you did your job, now we feel confident enough to elect someone else.

00:39:27.600 I just don't see who that is yet, and there's a growing feeling that the Democrats haven't really found their candidate yet.

00:39:33.160 Joe Biden is leading the field really by a long way.

00:39:37.300 I mean, the latest Fox News poll has him up by twice what Bernie Sanders has, 35 to 17, but he doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the Democratic electorate, so we'll see.

00:39:49.880 I think Democrats will have to find someone else to do the extra stuff that they would like done.

00:39:55.540 I'm not sure if it's Biden.

00:39:57.620 All right, well, very interesting days, and I thank you for your perception, your perceptive comments on China.

00:40:04.360 I think you're right.

00:40:05.400 I think everyone thought China was a tougher nut to crack, or maybe they just thought that no president was up to it, but I think they have found their match.

00:40:11.980 And I think not only will it yield economic results for America, but it will yield political and geostrategic results, too.

00:40:21.780 I'm delighted by it, and it's one of the things that probably doesn't matter to your average person in Wisconsin, but I think it matters to the state of the world, including us up here.

00:40:29.840 Great to see you again, Joel.

00:40:30.780 Thanks for your time.

00:40:31.540 You too.

00:40:32.120 All right, there you have it.

00:40:32.880 Joel Pollack, the senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.

00:40:35.860 Stay with us.

00:40:36.540 More ahead and remember.

00:40:41.980 We'll be right back.

00:41:11.980 Churchill or a great British leader in the past, and it makes me deeply worried because I see the seeds of those ideas being planted in Canada.

00:41:20.600 In fact, I see our own government cooperating with the U.K. government on censorship matters.

00:41:27.980 In fact, they're having a joint conference on censorship this summer.

00:41:31.580 I'm going to see if I can go to that.

00:41:33.120 I get the feeling I will be censored from attending that censorship conference.

00:41:37.120 It's being co-sponsored by Canada's Chrystia Freeland and her counterpart in the U.K.

00:41:41.340 I'm very worried about what I see there, and that's why I tell you about it.

00:41:43.920 I'm interested in Tommy.

00:41:44.980 I think he's an interesting character.

00:41:46.720 I share most of his views, but what really scares me about him, and every time I go to the U.K., it's a very brief trip, but I come back, and that whole seven-and-a-half-hour plane ride home, I'm just thinking, what on earth did I just see?

00:42:00.340 All right, folks, we'll talk about something different tomorrow, but I just wanted to show you those videos.

00:42:04.180 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 21, 2019

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