Rebel News Podcast - When climate skeptic scientists get “unpersonned” (Guest： Tom Harris)

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00:01:14.520 President Donald Trump questions the contributions of humanity to global warming, and that's put

00:01:19.440 him under fire from the media.

00:01:21.800 My guest tonight has some advice for the president.

00:01:24.040 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:44.260 What happens if you question the so-called consensus theory of catastrophic global warming

00:01:50.280 being caused by us pesky humans?

00:01:53.380 Well, if you're the president of the United States, you are then relentlessly mocked for

00:01:57.680 it by the mainstream media, the elites of society, and your political enemies.

00:02:02.120 And if you're a scientist, like a geophysicist or a geologist, you can be stripped of your

00:02:07.260 achievements and awards by the scientific professional organizations to which you belong.

00:02:13.440 Yeah, if you ever wondered why more Earth scientists, you know, people who know stuff

00:02:19.180 about the Earth's history, don't come out to debate the theory of global warming, that's

00:02:23.540 why your life's achievements can be taken away from you in the blink of an eye for being a dissenter.

00:02:29.160 My guest tonight has been covering this topic for years.

00:02:32.540 He regularly contributes to PJ Media, and he's also at the Heartland Institute.

00:02:37.820 Joining me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon to discuss all this and more

00:02:43.920 is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:03:02.540 So joining me now from Ottawa is Tom Harris with the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:03:10.900 Tom, thanks for joining me.

00:03:12.560 You are probably going to be a bit of a new face to some of our rebel viewers, although

00:03:17.680 I know we have a pretty strong climate change skeptic contingent among our viewership.

00:03:23.900 Why don't you give us a brief synopsis about what your organization does, and maybe even a

00:03:29.740 little bit of your own background, both scientific and otherwise.

00:03:33.400 Yeah, sure.

00:03:33.960 I'm an engineer by training, aerospace and mechanical, and I, generally speaking, supported

00:03:38.840 the climate scare until the late 1990s when I met Professor Tim Patterson.

00:03:44.180 And he invited me into his laboratory, and he showed me that in the geologic record,

00:03:48.160 because he's a geologist at Carleton University, there was essentially no correlation between

00:03:53.460 CO2 and temperature.

00:03:55.020 I mean, sometimes CO2 could be 1,100% of today, 1,100%.

00:04:00.800 We're not talking about a 30%, 40% rise like we've seen in the last century.

00:04:05.080 We're talking about 1,100%, and that was about 450 million years ago, and the Earth was in

00:04:10.960 its coldest period in the last half billion years.

00:04:14.260 So I started to realize that, no, there's actually a lot of problems with the science.

00:04:19.500 And he exposed me to all kinds of scientists all across the political spectrum, not just

00:04:23.920 right-wing, not just centrist, but left-wing as well, who say this climate scare is not

00:04:29.580 based on good science.

00:04:31.600 So I guess, what is it based on?

00:04:34.160 Is it just the means of a wealth transfer?

00:04:37.920 Is it just the means of perpetuating grant applications for a certain subsect of scientists?

00:04:45.960 Like, what is this all about?

00:04:47.040 Well, there's many different drivers for the climate scare.

00:04:50.560 I mean, some people believe, like you say, that there should be a distribution of wealth

00:04:54.260 to the developing world, that somehow we are evil and we have to pay for our sins.

00:04:59.120 But, you know, the scientists themselves who support the climate scare, they're basing

00:05:03.740 their fears on computer models.

00:05:06.420 They're not basing it on real-world observations.

00:05:09.100 Because even NASA, Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who are, nobody would accuse them of

00:05:13.740 being climate deniers, they actually say that the Earth's temperature, on average, has gone

00:05:19.160 up only just over one degree Celsius since 1880, even though there's been a 40% rise in

00:05:25.160 CO2.

00:05:26.060 So obviously, the atmosphere is not very sensitive to CO2.

00:05:29.620 So what are they basing the climate scare on?

00:05:32.300 They're basing it only on computer models' forecasts of the future.

00:05:36.900 But the problem is, those models don't work.

00:05:39.880 In fact, Dr. Craig Idsu from the CO2 Science Group in the U.S. in Phoenix, or Arizona anyway,

00:05:46.060 he says, he showed graphs which show that the computer models, they over-forecasted the warming

00:05:51.980 of the last three decades by three times.

00:05:55.840 So you can't use those models to forecast climate for the simple reason that, A, we don't

00:06:00.780 have a theory of climate.

00:06:02.120 The science is really not understood.

00:06:04.600 And B, the models don't work when we look at what's really happened on the real Earth.

00:06:09.480 So the whole climate scare is based on something that doesn't work.

00:06:14.140 Now, you have co-authored a very popular article.

00:06:19.340 Actually, you've co-authored quite a few very popular articles in PJ Media.

00:06:25.200 And for those people out there who don't follow PJ Media, they were around before Breitbart.

00:06:30.180 They were the original right-wing media, it feels like.

00:06:34.340 And you co-authored an article that titled, Media Attacks Should Be a Signal to Trump to

00:06:40.740 Focus on Flawed Climate Science.

00:06:43.140 And then you go on to detail just some of the, I suppose, more egregious and crazier attacks

00:06:49.880 that Trump is somehow a climate denialist when he does exactly the opposite, doesn't he?

00:06:56.460 Yeah, he says, well, look, climate changes.

00:06:58.940 I mean, get used to it.

00:07:00.100 It's part of nature.

00:07:01.360 If climate didn't change, then there would be two kilometers of ice over my head right

00:07:05.460 now.

00:07:06.100 Because, you know, only 18,000 years ago, we were in a real serious glacial period.

00:07:10.740 So obviously, climate changes.

00:07:12.340 And Trump says that.

00:07:13.320 He's not a climate change denier.

00:07:15.160 But sensibly, he questions the causes of climate change.

00:07:18.800 And the interesting thing is, I had a friend, he passed away just recently.

00:07:22.100 I think he was 97.

00:07:24.600 He was a World War II Lancaster bomber pilot, Sandy Mutch.

00:07:28.840 And he was a climate realist, OK?

00:07:30.520 He understood that climate change is naturally all the time.

00:07:33.700 And our impact is almost certainly slow.

00:07:36.240 He told me one day when I was sort of complaining about all the attacks, he said, no, he said,

00:07:40.500 Tom, that's great.

00:07:42.000 The fact that you're being attacked tells you that you're right over the target.

00:07:45.680 They wouldn't bother wasting their time if you weren't actually hitting a vulnerable

00:07:51.060 resource and also an important resource.

00:07:53.840 And in this case, the most important resource in the climate war is the science.

00:07:58.100 Because if you don't have solid science, then none of these plans make any sense at all.

00:08:03.240 And it's also super vulnerable.

00:08:05.880 OK, there are documents like this one, for example, put out by the Non-Governmental

00:08:10.280 International Climate Change, or sorry, Non-Governmental International Panel on Climate

00:08:14.700 Change, which uniquely is called the NIPCC.

00:08:18.820 It's 780 pages.

00:08:21.000 It's huge.

00:08:21.780 There's another one by them, OK?

00:08:23.580 These documents contain literally thousands of references from peer-reviewed science journals

00:08:29.400 showing that the climate scare is either wrong or highly debatable.

00:08:33.680 OK, so when they talk about the science being settled, I mean, oh, yeah, a thousand pages

00:08:38.820 of debate, that doesn't sound very settled to me.

00:08:41.620 So Sandy Mutch said, look, when we were flying over Germany and we were bombing, if we came

00:08:47.400 back and nobody shot at us, we were in the wrong place.

00:08:50.800 When we were shot at, when we got the most flack, and this is a standard Air Force thing,

00:08:55.260 when you get the most flack, you must be over your enemy's very valuable target and a vulnerable

00:09:00.680 target they're afraid you're going to hit.

00:09:02.320 So that's exactly why media gets so angry at Donald Trump, because he's hitting the nail

00:09:08.560 on the head.

00:09:09.400 The science is not there.

00:09:12.360 Well, I mean, and that's the thing.

00:09:15.200 When, you know, Trump has his new panel that he's convened, the name of the panel escapes me

00:09:24.740 right now.

00:09:25.360 I'm sure you know better than I do.

00:09:26.840 They're talking about, they haven't finalized it, but they're talking about a commission,

00:09:30.580 a presidential commission on climate security, I think it was one of the titles.

00:09:36.140 It would hypothetically be headed by Dr. William Happer.

00:09:39.780 He's a wonderful man.

00:09:40.800 He's 79 years old from Princeton.

00:09:43.000 I know him and he's just a great guy.

00:09:45.740 And he is a climate realist.

00:09:47.480 He says, sure, climate changes help people adapt to real climate change.

00:09:52.000 That's a real thing.

00:09:53.240 But the idea that we have this magical wand where we can forecast climate in the year 2050

00:09:58.140 and actually control it.

00:09:59.460 I don't know about you, but the weather forecasts for Ottawa are pretty lousy when you get to

00:10:04.340 a week out.

00:10:05.480 Think of what they're expecting us to believe there's going to be more of this, that, you

00:10:10.320 know, more snow, more rain, whatever in the year 2050.

00:10:13.960 I mean, they have no clue.

00:10:15.640 And in fact, not only do we not know how much it's going to warm or whatever it's going

00:10:20.320 to do, we don't even know if it's going to warm or cool because the sun enters into

00:10:24.580 what's called a grand solar minimum around 2060 when all the various cycles of the sun

00:10:30.020 hit rock bottom.

00:10:31.200 And at that time, the forecast by people like Professor Abdus Sametov from the Palkova Observatory

00:10:37.720 in St. Petersburg in Russia is that we will be actually in very cold conditions, similar

00:10:42.800 to a few centuries ago when the sun also was in a low phase.

00:10:47.260 Now, if that's if that's going to happen, that is infinitely more dangerous to Canada than

00:10:52.420 a bit of warming.

00:10:53.180 Because think about it, you have a degree or two lower on the prairies, you're going

00:10:58.000 to lose a lot of your wheat crop.

00:10:59.820 If it gets a bit warmer, that doesn't matter.

00:11:02.480 We just adopt farming practices used in Arkansas.

00:11:05.080 But there's nobody farming north of us.

00:11:07.780 So the federal government in preparing only for warming is preparing for something that

00:11:13.000 is relatively benign.

00:11:14.660 And they're not preparing for cooling, which could be very dangerous.

00:11:18.460 And in fact, if you look at human history, as I'm sure you know, cooling has always been

00:11:23.160 coincident with bad times, with famine, with with war and unrest, because food was not

00:11:29.040 as available.

00:11:30.080 So that's what we should be afraid of is natural cooling, not manmade global warming, which is

00:11:36.440 pretty near not happening if it's happening at all.

00:11:39.700 Well, and then you get into the whole debate around GMOs, the same people who are pushing

00:11:45.420 the global warming fear mongering are also very opposed to genetically modified foods and food

00:11:53.000 crops.

00:11:53.480 And much of the farming we do here in northern Alberta is canola, which is a genetically modified

00:11:59.440 crop.

00:12:00.040 The reason it can grow here so fast, so well in our unpredictable and short growing season

00:12:06.340 is because it's genetically modified.

00:12:07.920 But the same people pushing for, you know, this idea that we only have 11 and one third

00:12:14.160 years left on our Armageddon doomsday clock are also the people who are opposed to this very

00:12:19.660 solutions if indeed their problem is occurring.

00:12:22.280 Yeah, and you know, one of the dumbest things, Sheila, is that social justice warriors say 0.98

00:12:28.020 they care about the poor, but they want us to switch from our inexpensive coal-fired electricity

00:12:33.100 to super expensive wind and solar power.

00:12:36.440 Here in Ontario, we got rid of all of our coal-fired power starting in 2002.

00:12:40.720 We had about a quarter of our power from coal and it was very inexpensive.

00:12:45.140 But Dalton McGinty decided we were going to lead the world on climate change.

00:12:48.600 The fact that we only put out a half of 1% of world emissions in Ontario didn't seem to

00:12:53.700 cross their mind as not being very significant.

00:12:56.220 But regardless, they completely got rid of our coal.

00:12:59.660 And that's one of the major reasons why electricity prices at the peak time of day have gone up

00:13:05.660 more than 200%.

00:13:07.340 Okay, now who does that hurt?

00:13:09.460 That hurts the poor, you know, and the disadvantaged.

00:13:12.000 So why on earth would social justice warriors push the climate scare?

00:13:16.340 The solutions in that and in other areas hurt the poor more than anyone.

00:13:21.000 Well, the same thing was happening here under the NDP.

00:13:24.800 And we'll see if Jason Kenney reverses those changes.

00:13:29.080 There are indications that he will, but in practice, who knows?

00:13:32.220 But I mean, Alberta really is the Saudi Arabia of coal in some respects.

00:13:37.880 And we do have the technology to burn it cleanly.

00:13:40.420 It's some of the cleanest burning coal on the planet.

00:13:43.280 And yet it was under the NDP that we made this move to shut down our coal-fired generation

00:13:49.180 plants and then caused utter chaos in our electricity system.

00:13:53.220 You and I were talking off air that while, you know, Doug Ford in Ontario and Jason Kenney

00:13:59.580 here in Alberta have made some indications publicly that they are opposed to Justin Trudeau's carbon

00:14:07.180 tax, they've kept some parts of it in place, have they not?

00:14:11.340 Yes.

00:14:11.660 In fact, Premier Ford in Ontario has a virtual carbon copy of Trudeau's industrial carbon

00:14:18.400 tax plan.

00:14:19.640 So here he was campaigning against it and he's retaining a big chunk of it.

00:14:23.920 And I understand that in Alberta, Jason Kenney has kept the carbon tax on large emitters as

00:14:28.560 well.

00:14:28.920 So, I mean, the problem is people campaign on one side of an issue, they get into power

00:14:34.520 and the deep state, you know, the people who are behind the scenes running the show, basically

00:14:39.700 make it so awkward and uncomfortable for them.

00:14:42.100 They go along with whatever they're being.

00:14:44.760 And, you know, that's really unfortunate because Canada has the potential to be a world leader

00:14:50.100 in so many ways.

00:14:51.300 But if we're going to cripple ourselves in ways that are not crippling countries like China,

00:14:56.460 you know, we're going to really lose out.

00:14:57.920 People have to understand that if we close our coal stations, if we cut down on our emissions,

00:15:03.420 do they think China's going to do it?

00:15:04.860 Well, no way.

00:15:06.040 Even under the Paris Agreement, if they followed it, they can increase emissions all the way

00:15:10.380 to 2030.

00:15:11.820 Now, after that, people say, yes, that's when China will actually limit emissions.

00:15:16.460 Well, guess what?

00:15:17.380 There is a there's an escape clause.

00:15:19.960 In the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change that was part of, you know, was signed at the Rio

00:15:24.340 Summit in 1992.

00:15:25.460 It says, and they will not change it.

00:15:28.720 The first and overriding priority of developing country parties, which China, by the way, is

00:15:34.140 still considered, is poverty alleviation development.

00:15:38.160 So what's going to happen is come 2030, people are going to say, China, OK, now you have to

00:15:42.160 cap your emissions.

00:15:43.600 And they'll say, nope, we do not.

00:15:45.780 Because our first priority is poverty alleviation and development.

00:15:49.120 And the cheapest form of power is coal.

00:15:51.860 You think we're going to turn that off?

00:15:53.260 No way.

00:15:54.320 So they're going to continue to grow emissions.

00:15:56.120 They're already twice as big as the United States in emissions.

00:15:59.820 And we're just going to be suckers because we'll have sacrificed.

00:16:03.320 Even if you believe the climate scare, even if you think that we cause dangerous climate

00:16:07.540 change, if the biggest emitters are not limiting, then what we do isn't going to have

00:16:12.120 any impact.

00:16:12.960 So, you know, as you're talking there, it occurred to me that that's the United Nations

00:16:18.800 with that escape clause and admitting that fossil fuel use and fossil fuel development

00:16:25.380 alleviates poverty.

00:16:27.780 Like, I mean, they're admitting that when they put that, you know, that parachute clause

00:16:32.940 in there for China.

00:16:34.000 But why is it that way for China and not, for example, the same for coal miners in West

00:16:40.280 Virginia who just want to go to work? 1.00

00:16:41.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:43.040 And, you know, it's interesting because they confronted the Chinese negotiator at the Peru

00:16:47.180 Conference of the Parties.

00:16:48.520 I think it was 2014.

00:16:50.300 And they asked him, would you consider changing this particular part, Article 4 of the Framework

00:16:56.080 Convention?

00:16:56.860 And he said, no, our purpose is to enforce the Framework Convention, not to change it because

00:17:02.500 they know they have a sweetheart deal.

00:17:04.300 OK, they can say, oh, yeah, we're following all the rules.

00:17:07.080 You know, why aren't you Canada?

00:17:08.220 But part of the rules, and it only applies to developing countries, is that they don't

00:17:12.760 have to do it, basically, if it interferes with their first priority, which sensibly

00:17:17.400 is poverty alleviation and development.

00:17:19.900 So we're being taken for a ride here.

00:17:21.840 Yeah, we're crippling our own economy while our geopolitical foes are, you know, overtaking

00:17:29.440 us, really.

00:17:30.220 I mean, they don't have to overtake us militarily as long as the UN is helping them cripple our 0.55

00:17:35.380 economies.

00:17:36.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:37.020 Now, I wanted to ask you about another fantastic article that you wrote or co-authored in PJ

00:17:44.580 Media, and it's called Science's Untold Scandal, the Lockstep March of Professional Societies

00:17:51.780 to Promote the Climate Change Scare.

00:17:54.480 And I found this article very fascinating because it has an Alberta connection where Alberta's

00:18:03.300 Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists basically silenced a longtime member of their

00:18:13.520 organization with a strong science background because he expressed some skeptical opinions

00:18:20.560 about the so-called science of climate change.

00:18:23.480 Yeah, I understand, and I'm learning this from Alan McRae.

00:18:26.700 He's a master's of science and is a very established engineer in the petroleum area, that his award

00:18:32.920 was, you know, he had a major award because he did some things that actually resulted in

00:18:37.460 life-saving and very important advances for society.

00:18:41.700 And his award apparently was withdrawn, if I understand correctly.

00:18:45.760 It was apparently withdrawn because of his point of view on climate change.

00:18:49.620 OK, so, you know, the society has a very strong point of view, which, you know, you have to

00:18:55.800 wonder, does this really represent their members?

00:18:58.480 As far as I know, there is no professional society in the world who has polled their members

00:19:04.060 and showed that a majority of them support the climate scare.

00:19:07.680 And a really good example is the Royal Society of Canada.

00:19:10.760 A few years ago, Archie Robertson, that's his name, he was a fellow of the Royal Society of Canada,

00:19:17.200 and he learned via the media that his society was supporting the climate scare.

00:19:22.460 So he called them up and he said, gee, you know, I'm a fellow in the society.

00:19:26.000 Nobody consulted me.

00:19:27.780 And they said, oh, well, you know, the president signed it.

00:19:30.660 He considered it consistent with worldview and, you know, the world consensus, which, of course, doesn't exist.

00:19:36.620 And so he was astounded that the society would actually sign on to it when, indeed, they hadn't even consulted one of their leading fellows and an energy expert, no less.

00:19:48.720 And this kind of thing is happening all over the world where small groups within the professional societies are supporting the politically correct point of view,

00:19:57.360 while many of their members disagree.

00:20:00.500 So, you know, as I say, I've asked various societies, can you show us a poll that indicates that your members actually support this point of view?

00:20:08.180 And so far, I've never seen a poll anywhere.

00:20:10.400 And, of course, I think the reason we haven't is because a lot of them would say, I don't know.

00:20:16.020 And a lot of them would say, no, we don't support it, especially in the geosciences.

00:20:20.520 Because, and, you know, that's a group of people you don't hear very much of in the climate debate, because those people have a long time frame perspective.

00:20:29.120 They know that we're at one of the lowest levels of CO2 in Earth's history, okay?

00:20:34.040 If we go too much lower, plants are in danger of dying.

00:20:37.760 So we're much closer to a lower limit than we are to any upper limit.

00:20:42.700 I mean, you know, in a typical conference room, the CO2 level will be about 1,200 parts per million, okay?

00:20:49.440 And, you know, that's three times atmospheric level.

00:20:54.480 And it doesn't hurt people in the least.

00:20:56.760 1,200 parts per million is actually a target that we should try to get to.

00:21:00.760 People say, oh, my God, we're going to triple CO2 levels?

00:21:03.460 Yes, we could triple CO2 levels, and plants would love it.

00:21:07.400 Because plants, generally speaking, on the Earth, many of them evolved at a time when CO2 was around triple the current level.

00:21:14.640 It has no detrimental effect to humans, and almost certainly has no effect on climate.

00:21:20.300 So, yes, if CO2 continues to rise, we should cheer.

00:21:23.820 CO2science.org, its website in the U.S. run by Dr. Craig Idso, the fellow I introduced earlier, he shows the impact of CO2 rising on crop yield.

00:21:35.040 It's not just that the plants grow faster, they need less water.

00:21:39.840 So, parts of the Earth that currently cannot grow plants will be able to as CO2 rises.

00:21:45.960 So, CO2 is a life giver.

00:21:48.460 The last thing we should do is be having a carbon tax trying to restrict plant food. 0.74

00:21:53.400 You know, going back to the topic of the professional associations, you, in your article, you have the story of Dr. Hal Lewis, and he tried to prove to his own professional organization that the members of the American Physics Association did not believe in what he calls the global warming scam.

00:22:22.380 And when he tried to confront the members, sorry, the American Physics Society, when he tried to confront the leadership of the organization with that evidence, they basically shut him right down.

00:22:32.140 It's the same thing as Trump's willingness to examine the science.

00:22:39.420 Nobody wants to examine any of the fine details in the facts here, because once you tear that Band-Aid off, boy, oh boy, the truth isn't how it's been presented to us at all.

00:22:49.840 Yeah. In fact, the analogy I use, it's like they want to keep the lid on the Pandora's box, because if you open it up and the public see how uncertain the science is, we don't even have to prove our point of view that the science is wrong.

00:23:02.940 All we have to do is show it's vastly uncertain, because then people will say, wow, you're spending over a billion dollars a day around the world.

00:23:12.480 And that's what they're spending, OK, climate policy initiative out of San Francisco.

00:23:17.100 And they say that's not enough. They say we should spend much more.

00:23:20.560 It's over a billion a day, most of it going to mitigation, trying to stop climate change.

00:23:25.380 And by the way, that is a real scandal as well, because the UN wanted half the money to go to helping people adapt to climate change, which makes sense.

00:23:34.940 I mean, climate always changes and people need help.

00:23:37.620 They wanted half of it to go to people helping them adapt and half of it go to trying to stop climate change, which, of course, is ridiculous.

00:23:44.400 But you know what the actual ratio is? It's 95 percent of that over a billion dollars a day.

00:23:50.980 Ninety five percent of it actually goes to trying to stop climate change.

00:23:54.860 Only five percent is left over to help real people adapt to climate change.

00:24:00.040 And that is a scandal. If you're a social justice warrior and you're saying, look, all this money is going to wind turbine producers and almost nothing goes to the boots on the ground to help people build wells and move to safer areas.

00:24:12.560 That that to me is just complete injustice.

00:24:15.940 Well, I think it's a testament to just how anti-human the global warming movement really is.

00:24:23.540 You know, it's it's a movement that will make life miserable, short and cold for much of the planet.

00:24:32.480 And, you know, just agony and human suffering to limit the use of fossil fuels in the developing world or anywhere in the world, quite frankly.

00:24:42.560 But I mean, no surprise, no surprise that it goes to line the pockets of rich corporations.

00:24:48.500 I should just alert you to one thing coming up on the 25th of this month is the let's see, it's International Climate Change Conference number 13.

00:24:59.200 It's going to be held in Washington, D.C.

00:25:01.760 And I'll be introducing a panel specifically on fossil fuels and, you know, things to do with prosperity.

00:25:08.600 And, you know, we'll also be talking about climate policy.

00:25:11.300 But people can check it out on Heartland.org because the Heartland Institute are putting on this conference.

00:25:16.780 It's their 13th called the International Climate Change Conference 13 in Washington, D.C.

00:25:22.720 And then people will see, yeah, we need fossil fuels desperately.

00:25:27.100 The last thing we should do is close it down in an effort to control climate.

00:25:31.480 That doesn't make any sense.

00:25:33.840 Tom, I want to thank you so much for your generosity with your time today.

00:25:37.220 OK, what's the best way that people can see some of the work that you're doing with the International Climate Science Coalition?

00:25:44.540 I know they can find your articles on PJ Media, but where else can they find you?

00:25:48.960 Yeah, the best place is to go to our homepage, which is climatescienceinternational.org.

00:25:55.140 Great, Tom.

00:25:55.860 Thank you so much.

00:25:56.760 Hopefully we can have you back on the show sometime soon, maybe after your Heartland Conference in Washington.

00:26:01.980 Oh, yeah, I can tell you all about it.

00:26:03.620 I'm sure it's going to be pretty fun.

00:26:05.100 Thank you.

00:26:06.260 Thank you.

00:26:07.220 When the other side of the human-caused climate change debate trots out how there is broad consensus amongst scientists,

00:26:27.480 we need only to look at the experiences of Alan McRae at APEGA and Dr. Hal Lewis at the American Physical Society

00:26:34.760 as proof that that's not the case.

00:26:37.240 These men were effectively unpersoned and disowned by their own professional societies

00:26:42.100 for engaging in rigorous scientific debate about a scientific theory.

00:26:47.560 And these organizations are those who pride themselves on being the keepers of professional scientific standards.

00:26:53.780 We know the upper echelons of these societies are probably just as infested with green activists as all the other major institutions in our lives. 0.96

00:27:03.660 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:27:06.000 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:27:08.000 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:27:11.400 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:27:15.160 I'll see everybody back here in the same place.

Rebel News Podcast - July 04, 2019

When climate skeptic scientists get “unpersonned” (Guest： Tom Harris)

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