Rebel News Podcast - April 04, 2019


When Justin Trudeau fired the whistle-blowers in his caucus, did he commit a crime?


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Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott quit the Trudeau cabinet because they didn t trust Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Did he really sack them because he can't trust them? Or is he just not a fan of them?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today's show, we talk about Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott being
00:00:05.040 sacked by Trudeau. There's two things I think you'll find interesting. First of all, we
00:00:08.600 look at the Parliament Act, Parliament of Canada Act. Section 49, I was not familiar
00:00:15.400 with this. I never paid much attention to it. But section 49 says how you go about firing
00:00:20.780 someone from your caucus in Parliament. And you have to have a secret vote on it. Did
00:00:25.200 you know that? I show you the law. And I also talk about the funniest thing. Trudeau said
00:00:30.380 he can't trust Jody Wilson-Raybould anymore. That's a funny thing. I find they're the most
00:00:36.620 trustworthy MPs, frankly, of any party. And I'm not a liberal. They're extremely trustworthy.
00:00:41.820 So I think he really means he can't trust them to be untrustworthy. He can't trust them
00:00:47.460 to cover for him. I explore that a little bit. Anyways, before I cork it and let you listen
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00:01:21.720 Tonight. Well, he did it. Trudeau fired all the whistleblowers in his caucus. But the question
00:01:31.040 remains, did he commit a crime? It's April 3rd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:35.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:41.740 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:45.820 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's
00:01:50.200 my bloody right to do so.
00:01:51.660 Well, last night, we taped the show just before Justin Trudeau had an emergency caucus meeting
00:02:02.340 to deal with Jody Wilson-Raybould. And he did deal with her. He kicked her out of the
00:02:06.860 liberal caucus and stripped her of her right to run in the next election as a liberal,
00:02:11.140 even though she had just been confirmed as the candidate a few weeks ago.
00:02:15.120 And then he did the same to Jane Philpott. Trudeau said he just couldn't trust them.
00:02:22.480 Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott are no longer members of the liberal caucus.
00:02:29.560 The trust that previously existed between these two individuals and our team has been broken.
00:02:37.220 Whether it's taping conversations without consent or repeatedly expressing a lack of confidence
00:02:43.860 in our government and in me personally as leader, it's become clear that Ms. Wilson-Raybould
00:02:50.400 and Dr. Philpott can no longer remain part of our liberal team.
00:02:56.620 So he can't trust them. I suppose that's technically right, but it's more specific than that.
00:03:03.420 It's just that he can't trust them to shut up when he's trying to do something illegal,
00:03:09.080 like pressure a prosecutor to drop criminal charges against his corrupt friends at SNC-Lavalin.
00:03:14.940 So it's an ironic use of the word trust. In fact, they are very trustworthy,
00:03:20.820 Jane Philpott and Jody Wilson-Raybould. They are more trustworthy than he is.
00:03:26.040 Both of them quit cabinet on a point of principle that they don't trust Trudeau and his obvious lack
00:03:32.420 of respect for the rule of law. I honestly can't recall in my whole life of 47 years where I've
00:03:38.340 been following the news for probably 30 years. I just can't recall a Canadian politician acting
00:03:44.500 as trustworthy as Jody Wilson-Raybould and as her cabinet colleague, Jane Philpott, as in
00:03:50.220 they had everything going for them. They were cabinet ministers. They were the toast of the town
00:03:55.320 in Ottawa. They were powerful women. They were beloved in the liberal party. They had it all, 0.87
00:03:59.380 but they willingly and voluntarily chose to quit. Not for personal advancement, but because they
00:04:07.200 actually thought their boss was doing something wrong. I mean, we've all heard of whistleblowers
00:04:12.100 before, people who report corruption to authorities, but I think they tend to be mid-level or even low-level
00:04:18.240 staff. These are high-level executives in the Trudeau cabinet, the justice minister, for heaven's sakes,
00:04:24.880 who was a prosecutor before she ran for office. So she obviously in her life has thought a lot about
00:04:30.280 the rule of law and following the law and right and wrong and even good and evil. If Trudeau wanted
00:04:36.980 someone who would go along with his Montreal trust fund clique, his little club of insiders,
00:04:43.080 he probably shouldn't have hired a prosecutor as his justice minister. He probably should have hired
00:04:47.940 the opposite, which I get the feeling he has done now. Trust. Could you imagine actually firing Jody
00:04:54.860 Wilson-Raybould by claiming she was untrustworthy? I say again, I disagree with her political ideology. 0.82
00:05:01.320 She's too left-wing for me. But I would absolutely trust her, trust her word on anything, I think,
00:05:09.600 wouldn't you? Now, Trudeau said what really tipped things for him was that Jody Wilson-Raybould recorded
00:05:16.340 a conversation on the phone where Michael Wernick, the disgraced former clerk of the Privy Council,
00:05:22.420 was threatening her. I think this was, by this point, I think this was the 17th meeting or phone call
00:05:31.440 that Jody Wilson-Raybould was subjected to. And it was long after she had made her decision to prosecute
00:05:36.940 SNC-Lavalin, or rather to uphold the actual prosecutor's decision. And Wernick was pretty much threatening her now.
00:05:44.640 And she said she didn't like it. She told Wernick that. But not just that. She said it was illegal.
00:05:50.600 And she was trying to protect the prime minister from doing something illegal here. Listen, just to
00:05:54.560 parts of that recording, just for a moment, just to refresh your memory.
00:05:57.720 So he's quite determined, quite firm. But he wants to know why the DPA route, which Parliament provided
00:06:09.520 for isn't isn't being used. And I think he's going to find a way to get it done one way or another. So
00:06:17.280 he's in that kind of mood.
00:06:21.600 I am trying to protect the prime minister from political interference or perceived or otherwise.
00:06:29.360 So yeah, this was illegal. Jody Wilson-Raybould was telling the clerk that meddling like that was
00:06:35.600 illegal. You bet she recorded it. You'd be nuts not to. 17th or 18th time they were pressuring her.
00:06:42.480 And obviously Trudeau denied it later that they were pressuring her. You bet you'd get that on tape
00:06:49.280 just to make sure you're safe. And remember, Jody Wilson-Raybould didn't actually release that tape
00:06:53.760 until last week, only in response to outright lies that Wernicke and Trudeau and Gerald Butts and other
00:06:58.320 liberals were saying about her. Yeah, that tape was probably the smartest thing she ever did. 1.00
00:07:03.840 And it wasn't illegal, by the way. It's not illegal to tape a conversation you're a part of in Canada,
00:07:09.360 even if you don't tell the other person. Now, it could be weird. It could break down trust.
00:07:14.160 I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me. But then again, I'm not trying to commit a crime.
00:07:18.800 If I were trying to commit a crime and the person I was threatening taped me, I really shouldn't be
00:07:24.160 that surprised. But that act of recording Trudeau's errand boy, Michael Wernicke,
00:07:30.000 that was Trudeau's main reason given for firing her last night.
00:07:35.680 If a politician secretly records a conversation with anyone, it's wrong. When that politician
00:07:45.360 is a cabinet minister secretly recording a public servant, it's wrong. And when that cabinet minister
00:07:53.760 is the attorney general of Canada secretly recording the clerk of the Privy Council, it's unconscionable.
00:08:03.280 Yeah, no, it wasn't unconscionable. In fact, it was the act of someone with a conscience.
00:08:08.560 By the way, Michael Wernicke is not a lawyer. He's not a cabinet colleague. He's not
00:08:12.720 her boss. He's an errand boy. His title is literally clerk. He's the clerk of the civil
00:08:19.680 service whose job is to give effect to laws and instructions from cabinet ministers like Jody
00:08:24.480 Wilson-Raybould. He's not a lawmaker. He's not a decider. He's the guy who's supposed to enact the
00:08:29.600 decisions of lawmakers and deciders. And in this case, he stepped outside his job and he was basically
00:08:34.560 threatening a cabinet minister on behalf of Justin Trudeau. It wasn't unconscionable to record it.
00:08:40.000 It was a tremendous act of conscience. Today, the CBC tried to spin that recording by interviewing a
00:08:46.080 bunch of lawyers and law professors. And they came up with this conclusion. They said, sure,
00:08:52.640 there was nothing illegal about the recording, but it crossed ethical lines. You see that headline there?
00:08:59.200 Wilson-Raybould may not have broken the law, but her Wernicke tape crossed ethical lines, lawyers say. 1.00
00:09:03.840 Oh, okay. Well, I actually read the story and it doesn't actually quote any lawyers saying it crossed
00:09:10.320 ethical lines. The CBC state broadcaster just slapped that headline on it because they served
00:09:16.480 Justin Trudeau. They couldn't get any lawyer to say it broke any ethical rule. So they just made it up.
00:09:21.200 The CBC's made their choice. They prefer a white, rich, liberal, trust fund kid who tried to get his
00:09:29.200 friends and get out of jail free card to an Aboriginal woman of accomplishment who was upholding justice
00:09:36.480 because Justin Trudeau pays their bills at the CBC and Jody Wilson-Raybould doesn't. That's super gross
00:09:41.920 of them. But even so, why was Jane Philpott fired? She didn't tape anybody. She just said she didn't 1.00
00:09:51.040 trust Trudeau to do the right thing. Yeah, I don't think anyone does. Well, that's the point. This wasn't
00:09:56.720 about anything other than loyalty to Trudeau himself. Above loyalty to the law. Above loyalty
00:10:02.560 to your own conscience. Bit of a pattern here, I think. Sorry to point it out. And I don't know
00:10:07.200 if I normally would, but it's Trudeau's brand. Remember this? I understand one of the priorities
00:10:12.480 for you was to have a cabinet that was gender balanced. Why was that so important to you?
00:10:17.280 Because it's 2015.
00:10:21.120 Yeah. So that's Trudeau, eh? But a few months ago, Justin Trudeau drove out a liberal MP named
00:10:29.760 Leona Alslev. She said Trudeau just didn't respect her, didn't listen to her, didn't
00:10:34.880 care about what she said, didn't let her speak, only used her as feminist window dressing. She was fairly 1.00
00:10:39.920 conservative in her nature and her background, so she crossed the floor to the conservative party.
00:10:44.160 It was interesting. You don't normally see someone leave government for the opposition. I thought
00:10:48.960 that was odd. And then there was Jody Wilson-Raybould. And then there was Jane Philpott.
00:10:56.880 And then there was Celina Cesar Chavan, who said Trudeau shouted at her, raged at her, 1.00
00:11:02.400 when she said she was not going to run again. He was furious with her.
00:11:06.880 Why does Mr. Male Feminist have such a problem working with women? What's that,
00:11:13.440 four out of four of the problems he's had are women? Surely that's a pattern. That's more than 1.00
00:11:18.560 a coincidence. You know, John McCallum is an awful, incompetent old man who's got a serious
00:11:25.280 drinking problem. But when Trudeau fired him for incompetence two years ago, Trudeau gave him a soft
00:11:31.120 landing as our ambassador to China, which he then screwed up again. But you see my point? When a man 0.72
00:11:37.680 screws up with Justin Trudeau, he gets a reward, a luxurious appointment. Here's another guy,
00:11:42.720 Raina Sarkar, friend of Justin Trudeau, friend of Gerald Buds, screws up massively, gets a diplomatic
00:11:48.800 posting to Silicon Valley, and Trudeau literally interferes to get him double the salary that normal
00:11:55.280 diplomats would get paid. Now, I'm not a feminist. I'm not the kind of guy who's in the gender quotas 0.97
00:12:01.040 and the whole grievance industry. But for a guy who says he's a male feminist, there sure seems to
00:12:06.240 be a difference, doesn't there? He fires any women who challenge him, who are problems for him. And he
00:12:12.720 gives huge golden parachutes to men who are problems for him, but he just pays them off. It's a bit of
00:12:19.520 irony. You know, there's a feminist lobby group on Parliament Hill today. Here's a picture of some of them 0.98
00:12:24.960 last night at the Flame on Parliament Hill. And they wrote, Dear Justin Trudeau, we are here in
00:12:30.320 Ottawa as young women participating in a conference, and we wholeheartedly condemn you ejecting Jody
00:12:35.120 Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott from caucus. Respect the integrity of women and Indigenous leaders
00:12:39.440 in politics. Do better. Well, they were reportedly given a lecture by their lobby group that they were
00:12:46.800 there with about their meeting with Trudeau. They were told not to pull any stunts or to embarrass him,
00:12:52.240 because otherwise their funding would be jeopardized. So really the same message that
00:12:57.920 Liberal MPs were given last night. If you criticize the boss, the generous white male patriarch,
00:13:04.960 Justin Trudeau, the precious one, the dear leader from whom all gifts come, if you dare embarrass him,
00:13:10.880 the giver, he will stop giving and he will take. He will take your job. He will take your pride. He will
00:13:16.080 take it from you. I should say, I should say that they were taught this lesson last night. Best to
00:13:21.840 learn it now, girls. Best to learn how to obey Justin Trudeau. I should tell you, though, that 47 of
00:13:28.800 those 338 girls, when they were listening to Justin Trudeau in Parliament, they stood up and turned their 0.97
00:13:35.200 back on him. Wow. Wow. So much for the Male Feminist Day. But hey, can I show you one last thing? 0.64
00:13:43.920 It's from a law called the Parliament of Canada Act. Sounds pretty serious, but Trudeau would say that's
00:13:50.000 boring. Laws and stuff. I mean, come on, what's more important? A law or Justin Trudeau's mood, as Michael
00:13:56.960 Wernick said. Well, look at Section 49.2 of the Parliament of Canada Act. I'm just going to read the law.
00:14:03.120 Well, it's called expulsion of a caucus member, and it has to do with how Parliament works. Section 49.2
00:14:09.440 says, a member of a caucus may only be expelled from it if, A, the caucus chair has received a
00:14:16.560 written notice signed by at least 20% of the members of the caucus requesting that the member's
00:14:20.460 membership be reviewed, and B, the expulsion of the member is approved by secret ballot by a majority
00:14:28.060 of all caucus members. Now, Jody Wilson-Raybould already said she was given no opportunity to
00:14:34.780 make her case, to respond to accusations. It was just the precious one, the young prince, the dear
00:14:39.500 leader, the great white giver who made the decision. But a plain reading of Section 49.2 of the Parliament
00:14:44.760 Act says Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott should have had written notice that they were going
00:14:50.120 to be kicked out of the Liberal caucus, signed by 20% of Liberal MPs. I don't think that would
00:14:54.900 have been hard for Trudeau to muster. But then there would be a secret vote.
00:15:01.260 I don't think either of those two legal requirements happened, do you?
00:15:06.160 Now, not a soul in that Liberal caucus cared. They were too scared.
00:15:10.820 They know the only law that matters. Now, shut up or be kicked out. They're all submissive.
00:15:18.860 But Jody Wilson-Raybould herself seems to care about the law and know a little bit about it, too. 0.51
00:15:25.360 Personally, I think a party leader in Parliament, just my own view, probably should be able to kick
00:15:30.480 out a member for any reason or no reason. I think so. That's just maybe what I'm used to
00:15:34.980 customarily. That's not what the law says, does it? I think, again, under Trudeau, what the law says
00:15:43.020 really doesn't count for much anymore, does it? Stay with us for more.
00:15:48.240 Canada, and indeed Quebec, are places where we are a secular society. We respect deeply people's
00:16:11.460 rights and freedoms, including freedom of expression, freedom of conscience, freedom of religion.
00:16:16.300 And it is unthinkable to me that in a free society, we would legitimize discrimination
00:16:27.620 against citizens based on their religion.
00:16:31.640 Well, there you have it, Justin Trudeau talking about a new bill in Quebec that is moving through
00:16:36.480 the provincial parliament, the National Assembly, as they call it there, a bill that would instill
00:16:42.380 laicity, which is sort of an anglicized version of the French word for secularism in the public
00:16:50.580 sector. It would ban any symbols of religiosity. I'm quite sure that the precipitation of this
00:17:00.000 was the Muslim hijab. I can't imagine that in the entire province of Quebec, there would be more 1.00
00:17:06.100 than a few dozen Sikh turbans or Jewish yarmulkes in the public service. But anyone who walks through 0.95
00:17:12.400 Toronto, Montreal, or Calgary these days sees thousands of hijabs. Joining us now via Skype 1.00
00:17:19.740 from Montreal to talk about this is a woman in the heart of Quebec, our friend Barbara Kay, a columnist
00:17:25.780 with the National Post. Barbara, great to see you again.
00:17:28.680 Hi, Ezra. Thanks for having me.
00:17:29.860 Well, it's a great pleasure. This is a religion-neutral law, as in it doesn't just target
00:17:38.860 burqas or hijabs or things like that. It's anything. But I've got to think it was sparked
00:17:46.100 by the ubiquity of the hijab these days. Would you agree with me on that?
00:17:50.560 Yeah, I would agree with you, except I would say it goes back further. It goes back to Bill 62,
00:17:55.020 which was specific as to face cover. So it actually starts with a niqab, which is very repellent 1.00
00:18:02.980 to most Quebecers. And that was going to pass, but then the Liberal government fell. So this is
00:18:09.740 picking up where it left off in the Charter of Values. This has been discussed in Quebec for so
00:18:13.660 many years now, religious accommodation. In any case, it's something to do with Quebec society,
00:18:20.860 Quebec culture that most people in the rest of Canada do not understand, including, by the way,
00:18:26.180 our prime minister, who's so, so solicitous of religious freedoms. Is he the same guy that wasn't
00:18:33.300 going to give money for summer jobs to people that didn't believe in abortion in this week? 0.99
00:18:40.260 That's a good point. You know what? And of course, not just that, not only did he make
00:18:45.080 Christian groups sign an attestation that they support his views on pro-choice, for example,
00:18:52.060 but he also barred any pro-life Catholics from running again for his party. So suddenly,
00:18:58.960 he gets a case of religion when the religion in question is Islam, I think.
00:19:03.880 Yeah, I mean, we've seen a lot of hypocrisy on his part anyways in the last, you know, so maybe he
00:19:09.660 should have kind of taken a break and not commented on Quebec's legitimate right to pass laws regarding
00:19:16.940 this type of limitation on freedom of speech or freedom of expression, if you like. So I,
00:19:24.940 and by the way, he wasn't, where was he? Well, I guess he was too young. Where were all the people
00:19:30.140 commenting on the depravity, as Andrew Coyne put it, of this bill when Bill 101 came into,
00:19:37.080 you know, in this free country, when Bill 101 came in and told people that, you know, whose first
00:19:43.280 language wasn't French, that too bad, you couldn't get a lot of jobs in the civil service if your French
00:19:49.780 was not impeccable. So there are limitations on everything. And the Supreme Court of Canada
00:19:55.820 actually said Bill 101 actually defies the Charter of Rights, but we're going to put our stamp of
00:20:04.380 approval on it because we feel that when a culture is concerned about its fragility or its,
00:20:11.540 you know, its future survival, then that's a greater good. And it's okay then to limit certain
00:20:19.900 rights. So, you know, we've been through this rodeo before in Quebec, but nobody cared about
00:20:24.880 Anglophone rights. Now it's Muslim rights and everybody's hysterical. It's kind of a double 1.00
00:20:30.800 standards, wouldn't you say? Right. But I want to zero in on that. When you say everyone's hysterical,
00:20:34.880 I would agree with you that the Anglo media, including some of your colleagues, you mentioned
00:20:39.520 Andrew Coyne are hysterical. But in Quebec, you mentioned that the liberal government had introduced
00:20:45.140 a similar motion, a bill. This is introduced by the Coalition Avenir Quebec Party. I know that the
00:20:51.560 Parti Quebecois, I understand, has been even more aggressive in what they want. So it's almost
00:20:58.040 political common ground in Quebec. Every party, I would say, I mean, not every party. I don't think
00:21:04.040 that there's a hard left-wing party there that's a little bit Islamist that probably wouldn't support
00:21:09.960 it, but I don't even know that. So I think that parties representing about 90% of the electors
00:21:15.220 support this. I think that's why, Barbara, you don't see Trudeau or his other henchmen,
00:21:23.700 especially his Muslim MPs like Ikra Khaled and Omar al-Jabra, they don't, they're not calling 1.00
00:21:30.440 Quebecers racist, Islamophobes, alt-right. If they were Anglos who wanted to do this, they'd be called
00:21:38.700 hateful. But yeah, I mean, we saw some gentle criticism there a moment ago from Trudeau, but I
00:21:45.080 haven't seen any of the Muslim MPs in the Liberal Party call this a racist or hateful law. Have you?
00:21:53.360 No, that's a good point you're making. And of course, they really shouldn't if they value
00:21:59.500 their election chances in Quebec, because you're right, it is a widely supported, I mean, it's not,
00:22:07.800 perhaps not universally supported, but in the French, in the Francophone sector, it's what's
00:22:14.900 called a landslide approval. And even amongst Anglophones in Quebec, close to 50% support it.
00:22:23.200 So even though the media, the Anglo media in Quebec, the radio stations and all that are very hostile
00:22:30.560 to the act, ordinary people. And if my mail is any indication, which I'm getting tons of,
00:22:38.820 very high approval ratings, even amongst Anglophones and amongst Muslims.
00:22:45.780 Isn't that interesting? Of course, I remember, and I'm going to tell you a memory from a dozen years
00:22:50.940 ago. I remember when I was with the Western Standard Magazine, and we published the Danish cartoons of
00:22:55.940 Mohammed. And we started getting letters of support from Muslim Canadians, including some who were
00:23:02.900 subscribing. And I, I thought that our phone receptionist was mistaken. I said, Oh, you,
00:23:08.960 you're surely wrong. It's not, it can't be a Muslim person subscribing to our magazine after we just 1.00
00:23:13.960 published. No, it was. In fact, to this day, Barbara, it's been a dozen years, but I remember one of the
00:23:19.120 letter writers, her name was Rawah Khaled. I don't know why I remember that, but I just do. And she said,
00:23:23.980 I didn't, I mean, I'm paraphrasing here. She said, I didn't cross the ocean and leave an Islamic hell 0.97
00:23:30.100 hole to have Sharia law follow me to Canada. I'm paraphrasing. But that we got, we had, 0.98
00:23:36.460 I'm going to say dozens of Muslim Canadians subscribe to the Western Standard Magazine,
00:23:42.960 precisely because we did stand up to Sharia culture. And I think that there's probably a lot 1.00
00:23:49.720 secular Muslims who say, finally, there's someone who gets it and isn't bowing down to the radicals
00:23:56.060 here. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not saying I have never said that most or all, I don't know how many
00:24:03.640 people, women in Quebec are wearing the hijab because they want to. I don't know how many are
00:24:09.320 wearing it because they feel politically aligned with Islamic causes. It doesn't matter to me. To me, 0.75
00:24:17.680 it is a private belief. The state has every right to say, we don't want people broadcasting their
00:24:27.600 beliefs to the people they're serving because, you know, some of those beliefs, we don't even know what
00:24:35.020 they are. But this is something that is part of your private life. When you work for the state or
00:24:41.580 you're paid by tax, you know, tax dollars that by your fellow citizens, our common value, our common
00:24:49.900 principles is integration into the common culture. Vivre ensemble. We live together. So in order to live
00:24:56.720 together with optimal peace and harmony, it's best that people are not broadcasting their faith beliefs or their
00:25:08.020 faith or their belief systems. You know, for many Muslims, there is no separation in church and state in
00:25:15.640 Islam. And so many people that are wearing these, the niqab or the hijab are actually have certain political
00:25:22.920 beliefs that are attached to being Muslim that are uncomfortable, not a good fit with a society that
00:25:31.440 believes in total separation of church and state and in the state being totally secular. Look, it's not
00:25:39.320 racism to have a common cultural value system. And the fact that the rest of Canada is married to
00:25:47.580 multiculturalism. Fine, let them be. And, you know, Justin Trudeau is post-national and he wants to
00:25:55.040 see Canada develop any way it does develop. Like he wants to see it just, you know, diversity is our
00:26:00.280 strength. So it doesn't matter what the common culture looks like in 20 years, whether it's still
00:26:05.820 the same, has the same basic principles or whether the principles have shifted maybe a little. He doesn't
00:26:12.120 care. Uh, and a lot of our elites don't care either, but in Quebec, they do care because, uh, they want
00:26:18.920 their culture to, uh, to reflect, uh, common values and principles that took many, many, many years to
00:26:30.460 establish that they like, that they feel comfortable with that are democratic and they don't want to see
00:26:35.840 them eroded. Uh, they, and they, uh, and they see this as a protection, uh, of that, of that set of
00:26:42.320 principles. And I agree with them. Well, I mean, the whole word uniform, a uniform is that there's one look
00:26:50.360 a bit. It's, and it's a national look. There's a police uniform. So, you know, you're being arrested by an agent
00:26:56.360 of the state, not an agent of Islam or Judaism or Sikhism or whatever. That's why cops don't, they're not, it's not just
00:27:03.580 hijabs or niqabs. You don't wear a big gold cross necklace as a cop. You just don't have an, you don't 1.00
00:27:10.320 have a display like that because the whole point is you're being arrested by someone who's implementing
00:27:16.360 the secular law, not a religious law. I was actually pulled over in Toronto by a trainee cop
00:27:22.560 wearing a hijab. And all I can think about is what are you, who are you representing here? Like on whose
00:27:30.340 part are you acting? And if you knew that in my life, I was a critic of radical Islam, given how
00:27:36.720 ostentatious your display of Islam is, would that impact whether or not I'm going to get a ticket? 1.00
00:27:42.720 And I, I would, I, it was like a trainee moment. And I, frankly, I, I, uh, I gave my point of view
00:27:49.620 most vigorously, but, uh, I don't want to have religious police. I don't care what religion the 1.00
00:27:55.460 police is in their private life. I just don't want someone who looks like they're a religious cop 0.99
00:28:01.100 wielding a gun. I don't know. I mean, call me old fashioned. Yeah. I mean, look, my beef is, I think,
00:28:06.580 uh, this attitude, uh, that, that is a Quebec value and that this makes, it's one of the things
00:28:12.740 that makes Quebec distinct, uh, is also what makes certain countries in Europe distinct. Uh, as I
00:28:20.100 pointed out in my column, countries in Europe, Austria, Denmark, the UK, uh, France, Switzerland,
00:28:27.260 they've all been wrestling with this discussion, uh, about religious symbols for years. And, uh,
00:28:34.260 as I mentioned, the European, uh, the court of, uh, human rights, uh, judged on this issue and said,
00:28:41.600 it's, it's perfectly okay. It's not, doesn't go against human rights to limit, uh, display of
00:28:49.000 ostentatious symbols. And by the way, one of the people that applied, one of the countries that
00:28:52.740 applied to that court for a judgment was Turkey, uh, which in 2004 wanted a judgment on whether they
00:28:59.360 could ban the hijab at universities. And so, uh, this is an Islamic country for goodness sake. 0.78
00:29:06.160 So, you know, if it's that disputed as a religious symbol, uh, in Islamic countries, then, uh, I think we
00:29:13.840 understand that it's, it's more of a cultural symbol anyways, not, or a political or a political
00:29:19.300 statement anyways. Uh, so we shouldn't be taking this, uh, as, uh, uh, as, as, as, uh, giving it
00:29:28.200 the stamp of religious approval. Let me throw one last thing at you. And I appreciate your time,
00:29:32.300 Barbara. And I'm so glad that you are flying this, uh, flag, so to speak. You're the, you're one of the
00:29:38.040 few columnists in the English media who has the courage and the knowledge to stand up on this.
00:29:43.260 By the way, it was from you. And I don't even know if you remember this. It was from you that
00:29:47.100 I originally learned that a survey of Muslim women in a Paris suburb some years ago, 77% of them,
00:29:55.400 and I later found this survey and confirmed it, 77% of them said they wore the veil because of
00:30:02.300 pressure of threats of either social marginalization or outright violence. That's the only survey I've
00:30:08.620 seen done of its sort. It was in Paris, 70% of 77% of women who wear the veil do so under threat
00:30:17.240 that surely a feminist would come to their aid. Well, yeah, you would think, you know, uh, it's not 1.00
00:30:22.680 just in France, uh, Ezra, in every, in every country where, uh, the veil is worn in proliferating
00:30:30.040 numbers. Anyone who lives in that area, whether they're Muslim or not Muslim, starts to feel 0.99
00:30:35.500 pressure, uh, to wear the veil, uh, to the hijab, or even the Muslim women feel bound to wear the 0.96
00:30:41.740 niqab, uh, if they live in certain enclaves. And the fact that, that this pressure we know is being 0.97
00:30:49.200 felt, uh, should not, it's, it's something that should be troubling us. It certainly troubles me
00:30:54.060 to think of any woman feeling that she has to wear the, uh, hijab or be marginalized or worse.
00:31:00.840 Uh, so it's not something that I think we really want to encourage in the next generation. I think, 1.00
00:31:05.560 I think Quebec is sending a strong message to newcomers. Uh, we, we want you to integrate into
00:31:13.440 our culture. Uh, and that's our, uh, that's our idea of how society is best served. What is when
00:31:21.500 newcomers integrate, not when they live in their silos and their religious silos and they keep,
00:31:27.400 uh, propagating, um, cultural, uh, practices that are, uh, antithetical to gender norms and gender
00:31:38.500 principles that we uphold here. And, and everybody else I read in the Anglo media, you know, they,
00:31:44.640 they absolutely gloss over what, uh, what these symbols, the religious symbols, but, but they just
00:31:53.600 assume everybody's wearing them because they want to. Um, and it's absolutely has no deeper meaning
00:31:59.040 or no deeper significance. There's nothing, nothing to see here, folks. Um, and look, I don't mind,
00:32:05.860 I don't mind them disagreeing with the law. That's fine. Every, you know, if the rest of Canada has
00:32:09.520 a multicultural ideal, uh, they think it's awful, then let them say, I think it's a bad law. This
00:32:14.920 is not a law that I think makes for a good society, blah, blah. But when you start calling
00:32:19.180 it a depravity, uh, when you start saying that it's, it's, uh, uh, uh, a hellish or a horrible
00:32:26.200 or an immoral or unethical, you're getting onto a kind of arrogant ground and saying, Oh, it can't,
00:32:32.800 you can't be a democracy and have these rules. Please. There's plenty of democracies that have much more,
00:32:39.100 uh, stringent rules than we do. And there's still democracy. So this is, you know, I think that,
00:32:45.500 that, that media people should be very careful what they say. Uh, because if you want to get
00:32:51.180 the Parti Québécois revived, and if you want Quebecers saying, you know, maybe we really do
00:32:56.180 need our own country, uh, because the rest of Canada thinks we're immoral or unethical and that
00:33:01.200 we can't be a democracy here, even with this law, uh, they're doing a fine job of it by expressing
00:33:06.880 themselves with such virulence and such a righteous indignation and high handedness.
00:33:12.760 It's not a good look on them. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that Justin Trudeau and Sophie Gregoire
00:33:17.240 Trudeau are not going to send their daughter to a school where you, uh, hijabs are ubiquitous. 1.00
00:33:23.360 You just know they're going to go to an elite private school. Uh, that's, uh, as white as the 1.00
00:33:28.180 wheat board, as I like to say, uh, you know, girls these days have a really tough time, Barbara, 0.97
00:33:32.380 and you cover both sides. On the one hand, you have males saying they're women and crowding 0.96
00:33:38.560 out women in sport, crowding out women in female safe places, like a change room, like 1.00
00:33:43.540 a bathroom. So on the one hand, you've got trans men saying, Oh no, I'm a woman. And on
00:33:48.580 the other hand, uh, women are told, well, you got to cover up in the hijab. I think it's 0.63
00:33:52.820 probably the toughest time to be a young woman in a century. Last word to you, my friend.
00:33:57.700 Yeah, I think you've nailed it. Uh, cognitive dissonance, uh, dissonance, cognitive dissonance
00:34:04.300 on the whole idea of what is a woman, uh, you know, and, uh, people, people getting their
00:34:10.740 points on the backs of women who are veiled, some of them forcibly. And on the other hand, 0.67
00:34:15.820 uh, women erasure in sports, uh, so that trans women, uh, can be appeased. All I see is a lot 0.98
00:34:22.820 of appeasement of a lot of people and a lot of women suffering as a result.
00:34:26.360 Yeah. It's very strange. Well, it's great to see you again. And folks, if you haven't
00:34:29.540 read her article yet, it's in the national post. It's called what the Anglo media misses
00:34:33.600 about Quebec's religious law. We've been talking to our friend, Barbara Craig. Great to, great
00:34:38.360 to see you, my friend. We'll talk again soon. Thanks, Ezra. All right. Thank you. Stay
00:34:42.460 with us more ahead on the rebel.
00:34:43.580 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Jody Wilson-Raybould, Justin Trudeau and
00:34:58.600 the SNC-11 scandal. Peter writes, it is hilarious to see the liberals fighting among themselves.
00:35:04.420 The longer they do that, the less likely they will take office again, grab the popcorn. Well,
00:35:09.600 um, like I say, last night, the caucus meeting happened after just before we had, we just
00:35:14.800 finished taping and we were just uploading into the internet. So we missed him. Um, Trudeau
00:35:19.060 turned it into an election style rah, rah rally. And he actually got a standing ovation from
00:35:24.440 his, uh, remaining caucus members. So, um, I'm not sure if there's going to be any more
00:35:29.460 public griping, at least from those. Although I can't imagine that Jody Wilson-Raybould, Jane
00:35:35.080 Philpott, uh, Salinas, Cesar Chavan, or some others will stay silent. We don't know what
00:35:40.120 local liberals in Vancouver-Ranville, uh, will do. And I forget right now where Jane Philpott
00:35:46.400 is from, maybe her writing too. I think it's in the GTA. Um, so Trudeau has basically said
00:35:51.360 stand together or, uh, we'll, you know, hang together or we'll hang separately. And I think
00:35:56.880 that rings true for liberals. That's really all they care about. They all they care about
00:36:00.140 as power. It was an anomaly to have a couple of MPs like Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott 0.75
00:36:05.400 who care about something other than power. I wonder if the revolution's over. We'll find
00:36:08.560 out. Stephen writes, with six months to go before the election and the Admiral Mark Norman
00:36:14.420 trial up next, I'm sure Trudeau is going to make a fool of himself a few more times. Yeah,
00:36:19.420 but you know, I see the CBC is in absolutely full damage control mode. And remember that is
00:36:24.540 larger than all other media in Canada combined. Um, I think you're going to have some reporters
00:36:29.460 like Bob Fife with the Globe and Mail still dig in. He owns this story. He's the one who broke
00:36:33.480 the Jody Wilson-Raybould story in February. Um, but yeah, that, that Mark Norman thing is going
00:36:38.760 to be interesting. I wonder if, uh, the government will just settle that to make it go away. I think
00:36:43.320 I'm going to go out to that trial. I understand the trial is happening in Ottawa. I actually once
00:36:47.600 thought the trial was in Halifax, but I think it's in Ottawa. Um, I might go there and live blog it.
00:36:51.820 You know, I do that for some of Tommy Robinson's cases in the UK. If I'm going to court to cover
00:36:56.260 court cases in the UK, maybe I should go down and cover a court case in Ottawa. It's a lot closer.
00:37:01.680 So I might do that because I find it very interesting in that. And we haven't really
00:37:04.600 dug into that, uh, yet. And I think it is important. Al writes, so when exactly will the RCMP
00:37:12.120 be starting their investigation? Well, yes, I think this is the key point. Not because I want police
00:37:16.800 to determine elections in this country. That's not the kind of country we are. Uh, I think the police
00:37:22.080 prosecuting Mike Duffy, police and prosecutors going after Mike Duffy for an expense account
00:37:26.620 that Nigel Wright paid back in was much ado about nothing. And the judge said as much,
00:37:31.280 uh, by acquitting Duffy. But surely we have much more here. In fact, there were five attorneys
00:37:37.020 general from across the country who wrote to the RCMP saying you should investigate. Um, you
00:37:42.860 have two cabinet ministers, including the justice minister herself saying this is wrong. I just
00:37:48.780 don't know how the RCMP cannot make inquiries, but I should point out that Gerald Butts and Michael
00:37:56.780 Wernick and the rest of them have lawyered up, which tell me that maybe the RCMP have slowly begun
00:38:05.500 asking a few questions. We'll find out. Well, that's the show for today. Tomorrow,
00:38:10.200 I'm going to try and get back onto non-SNC Laughland stories. There's a lot of them out there. I just felt
00:38:15.520 this, uh, was something we had to talk about today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at
00:38:20.020 Rebel World Headquarters to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.