Rebel News Podcast - Why are the U.S. and Canadian military spying on Rebel News？

00:00:00.400 Hello, my friends. A stunning show today, if I may say so. I have documents showing that

00:00:05.600 the U.S. Navy hired a military contractor to spy on Rebel News. And then I learned that

00:00:15.860 Harjeet Sajjan's Special Forces Command hired the same military contractors in the States

00:00:23.280 to do more spying on us. I'll take you through the documents. I'll read them to you. But

00:00:28.240 this is one of those cases we're having. Rebel News Plus really makes a difference because

00:00:32.000 that way you can follow the documents. I want to show you these documents. They're crazy.

00:00:37.000 How do you feel about that? The militaries of Canada and the United States both spying 0.86

00:00:43.740 on Rebel News. I'll show it to you. That's ahead. But before I get there, hey, do me a favor. If

00:00:49.080 you want to keep us strong, go to rebelnews.com, click subscribe. It's eight bucks a month to

00:00:54.160 become a video subscriber. We call that Rebel News Plus. You get the video version of this

00:00:58.600 podcast. And really, frankly, do it to keep us strong. Do it to help us. The U.S. Navy

00:01:05.560 has a $161 billion budget this year. They're spying on us. Harjeet Sajjan's spying on us.

00:01:11.760 It's just us. So if you want to chip in a few bucks to help us out, I'd be so grateful.

00:01:16.540 Well, you can do that at rebelnews.com. Okay, here's today's report.

00:01:34.200 Tonight, why are the U.S. and Canadian military spying on Rebel News? It's March 15th, and this

00:01:41.680 is the Ezra Levant Show. Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer

00:01:48.480 I know? There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing

00:01:53.720 I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right

00:01:58.300 to do so.

00:02:03.820 Why are the U.S. and Canadian military spying on Rebel News? I'll show you the proof in a

00:02:09.060 moment. But first, let me state the obvious. If you think the military is a right-wing

00:02:13.220 operation, you're wrong. 0.67

00:02:15.360 Hi, I'm Harjeet Sajjan, the Minister of National Defense, and my pronouns are he and him. And

00:02:22.300 that means creating spaces that are inclusive and respectful, making sure we are deliberate

00:02:27.480 with the language we use, and using people's pronouns. This Transgender Awareness Week, we

00:02:34.940 celebrate the Transgender Defense Team members who enrich our team.

00:02:39.100 While Harjeet Sajjan was busy working on his pronouns, he was literally overseeing the winter

00:02:44.620 warfare training of China's People's Liberation Army soldiers at a Canadian Forces base. It's

00:02:50.520 shocking, but you can't say that Trudeau never warned us.

00:02:55.100 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is

00:03:05.100 allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime.

00:03:09.260 What does it mean when the military gets so political, when it puts other goals ahead

00:03:13.580 of winning in a battlefield? I mean, maybe we need to have a big transgender campaign in 1.00

00:03:19.100 Canada. I'm a skeptic. I have a lot of questions. But can we all agree that the only purpose of a

00:03:24.220 military is, to be blunt about it, to kill people and break things? There's no affirmative action 0.94

00:03:31.180 on the battlefield, no quotas, no words like, you know, triggered and safe spaces. They have real

00:03:37.020 meanings there, not their woke meanings. Well, when, as military becomes woke, it gets into politics,

00:03:44.940 and it starts acting like an enforcer for the politics of its politician leaders. It stops focusing

00:03:50.380 on foreign military threats and turns against domestic political threats. We saw that with

00:03:56.060 a series of outbursts from the military in the United States against a conservative TV host named

00:04:02.220 Tucker Carlson. Just weird.

00:04:05.020 Drama TV. Ladies and gentlemen, that's what I call it. I'll apologize up front and tell you that I don't

00:04:10.620 have cable news at home, I don't have it here in the office, and I don't watch a lot of drama TV.

00:04:14.940 I understand some comments were made yesterday, and I watched the clip that Mr. Carlson produced

00:04:20.140 as he referred to pregnant women in the military. I'll remind everyone that his opinion, which he 0.88

00:04:25.740 has a right to, is based off of actually zero days of service in the armed forces.

00:04:30.940 And then a bunch of other senior military leaders joined in, including generals. What on earth is going

00:04:37.980 on? Could you imagine if the military under Donald Trump started publicly denouncing, I don't know,

00:04:43.180 CNN reporters or New York Times reporters, smearing them while wearing the uniform of

00:04:48.140 the U.S. military, using U.S. military resources and official U.S. military accounts? It's insane.

00:04:54.300 It's what the left baselessly accused Trump of wanting to do. Militaries and police forces

00:05:01.260 have to be absolutely nonpartisan and nonpolitical. These are the Pentagon versions of James Comey,

00:05:08.460 political activists pretending to be officers. They had the sense to keep quiet when Trump was

00:05:14.220 president, but now they obviously feel that they can fly their real colors. Or maybe they were

00:05:19.180 instructed to, to take down the leading conservative commentator in America, Tucker Carlson. He has the

00:05:25.020 biggest ratings, and he's the strongest critic of the Democrats. So what about us here in Canada?

00:05:32.140 I'm no Tucker Carlson. I don't have his dashing good looks, for one thing. But I did comb my hair

00:05:37.980 once and put on a tie to talk to him about Trudeau training those Chinese soldiers. But all kidding

00:05:43.500 aside, there is a similarity. We are conservative critics of a left-wing politician named Trudeau,

00:05:49.820 and of left-wing generals and left-wing military like Harjit Sajan. We're not part of the left-wing

00:05:55.580 media party. We don't take any government grants, so we can't be controlled that way.

00:06:01.340 Fox News is the largest cable news show in America. We're the largest independent news channel in

00:06:07.020 Canada. And just like the Democrats hate Tucker Carlson and Fox News, Trudeau and the Liberals hate

00:06:13.180 me and Rebel News. It is disappointing to see the conservatives and the member opposites

00:06:21.420 engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories,

00:06:25.580 It is disappointing to see the conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.

00:06:31.340 Yeah, the media party freaked out when Trump said mean things to CNN. But you'll notice he kept

00:06:36.460 calling on CNN every single day. He didn't ban them or have military generals condemn them.

00:06:42.540 That's banana republic type stuff. Generals in camouflage denouncing civilian journalists.

00:06:48.060 I haven't heard a peep from the ACLU or Reporters Without Borders though, have you?

00:06:52.940 Well, that's what's going on in the US, but it's also going on in Canada. I know because we're the target

00:06:58.700 of it. Let me be very precise in my language. The United States Department of Defense and the Canadian

00:07:06.140 Armed Forces have both funded a joint cyber intelligence operation against Rebel News. It was

00:07:13.740 It was apparently led by this woman, Rebecca Goolsby, who has worked for the US Navy for 20 years.

00:07:21.740 Let me give you an idea of who Dr. Goolsby is. Her job is to fight against enemy narratives. And 0.93

00:07:28.140 I guess we're the enemy.

00:07:30.060 Yeah, we're interested, not interested in individuals at all. As a matter of fact,

00:07:36.140 when you actually operationalize this stuff, usually it's highly anonymized because there

00:07:41.740 are a lot of constraints from the military on what they can see. But we're not really interested

00:07:45.820 in the individual so much as we are interested in understanding the information flow. Is there

00:07:52.220 disinformation out there? You know, is there a socialist area out there? A lot of people think

00:07:59.180 about this as trying to shut people up. But really, usually the problem is we need to put out more

00:08:04.860 information. We need to outcompete the disinformation. But you need to know what the level of competition

00:08:11.740 is in order to ramp up messaging and to improve the quality of messaging in order to outcompete.

00:08:18.540 This was an interview she gave just a few months ago. She says her job with the Pentagon is to fend

00:08:23.580 off invaders who sow hysteria. And by that, she doesn't mean China or Iran or Venezuela. I guess she

00:08:30.460 means peaceful news outlets like Rebel News that just happened to be based in Canada, the closest ally of

00:08:36.540 the U.S. We're interested in the universities providing the knowledge out there to the world

00:08:45.580 so that they can, so that the communities themselves can fend off inauthentic users,

00:08:53.180 you know, that are trying to invade their communities and sow hysteria and rumors,

00:08:58.620 and try to fend those people off, how to fend them off better, and how to organize a community so

00:09:03.500 that they're resilient against disinformation. China is clearly the rising threat to the United 0.89

00:09:07.980 States Navy. They're building their fourth aircraft carrier right now. They're going further and

00:09:12.780 further out to sea, harassing other countries' vessels, threatening Taiwan. But the U.S. Navy

00:09:18.780 thinks a news website with conservative points of view, that's the real enemy. But honest,

00:09:24.620 they're not evil people. You know, people get very worried about working with the Department of

00:09:29.180 Defense. They think we're all, you know, kind of like evil people. But, you know, that's kind of

00:09:33.100 a story that has been told. I've been very happy working in the Department of Defense. I have, you

00:09:41.580 know, there have been times when people suggested things that made me go, you know, but we're able

00:09:48.380 to calm them down and talk about reality. There's always hawks who don't understand what's going on.

00:09:54.300 But for the more part, I have found that my relationships with and the ethical level

00:10:01.580 of the Department of Defense is very, very high. And I've been very, very pleased and proud to be

00:10:07.100 working with them. So that's the woman who has led the spying operation against us. I've left her

00:10:13.100 a voicemail and I've sent her an email to ask her about it, but she hasn't got back to me yet. If she

00:10:18.060 does, I'll let you know. Then again, the friendly friends at the U.S. Navy might choose to, I don't know,

00:10:23.260 shut down our whole website instead of returning my calls. We'll find out soon enough. So here's

00:10:28.940 how the spy operation worked. The U.S. Navy contracted a little department in the University

00:10:36.140 of Arkansas in Little Rock to use, amongst other applications, a program called Spy on Web

00:10:43.980 to do a workup on Rebel News. And they produced this report called the Canada Election Cyber Forensic

00:10:52.700 Analysis. You can see it was dated October 10th, 2019, which is quite something given that the

00:10:57.900 election wasn't actually over until 11 days later. But as you'll soon see, they knew what they were

00:11:02.460 going to say before they even did their research. I'll read a little bit of it. Executive Summary.

00:11:08.300 This report summarizes the significant findings on the hidden digital footprints of the Canadian

00:11:15.020 website, The Rebel Up Media. The website provides far-right political and social commentary and was

00:11:21.180 founded in February 2015 by Ezra Levan and Brian Lilly. Does the U.S. Navy, does the Pentagon do this a lot,

00:11:30.700 pay contractors to use software called Spy on Web to spy on Canadian journalists? Why? Who ordered this?

00:11:39.820 On what criteria? Who else do they spy on? How else do they spy? Are they tapping my phones?

00:11:45.820 Are they hacking my emails? Those are my main questions. Privacy, legality. What the hell is the U.S.

00:11:53.340 military doing spying on civilian journalists? But another question I just can't help asking it is,

00:11:59.260 are all U.S. spies this stupid? I mean, we all know the joke, military intelligence is an oxymoron 1.00

00:12:07.340 like jumbo shrimp. But seriously, this is the stupidest report I've ever seen. I kid you not, 1.00

00:12:13.740 a teenager could have done a better job of it, and probably for a million dollars less. There's a lot

00:12:18.780 of military jargon here, which, like academic jargon, is designed to make it harder to understand

00:12:23.740 something rather than easier. It's designed to be cryptic, not plain. But let me take you through

00:12:28.860 some of it. Identifying hidden or external links. A well-known political Canadian news and commentary

00:12:35.900 site that frequently contributes stories about the Canadian elections was analyzed. Using a variety of

00:12:41.820 cyber forensic analytical capabilities provided by Maltigo and Spy on Web, the following open source

00:12:49.260 information was obtained. Okay, got it. Perfectly normal. Just the U.S. Navy using a website called

00:12:56.460 Spy on Web to spy on our little website. I'll keep reading. They are attempting to create an influence

00:13:03.660 operation such that they are increasing their digital footprint by creating fake websites to drive traffic

00:13:11.180 to their own website using their own website using their own agendas. What? Well, I suppose we do want

00:13:18.460 to influence the world. That's why we're interested in current events and why we express our editorial

00:13:24.140 opinions. And, you know, during election, that's the time to do it for sure. I think it's what all journalists

00:13:29.100 do. But what's that fake website part? Our website is pretty real. What do they mean by fake? Does it not

00:13:36.220 work? Is it not what it seems? I'll read some more. The analysis revealed the operations are

00:13:43.660 located in the United States, but the registered contact and location information is not shown

00:13:50.140 in the WHOIS database. Hey guys, the U.S. Navy has an annual budget of $161 billion U.S. You think you

00:13:59.020 could buy a clue? Our operations are in the U.S.? I actually don't think we have a single employee

00:14:04.300 down there now that I think about it. And we haven't in years. We're incorporated in Canada.

00:14:08.940 Our offices are in Canada. It's where our people are. It's where our reports come from. Sometimes we

00:14:15.020 do travel to other countries and we do have one reporter in Australia. It's true. But, you know,

00:14:21.100 seriously, how do you say that our operations are located in the U.S. and that we hide who we are? Our

00:14:29.020 address is at the bottom of every single one of our web pages. I'll keep reading. External links were

00:14:36.300 extracted that show the rebel.media blog as the primary link containing most of their content.

00:14:42.860 Okay, that part they got right, except not really. We changed our website from the rebel.media to

00:14:49.180 rebelnews.com in September of 2019, a month before this report was written. I'll keep reading.

00:14:55.820 The IP addresses are constantly changing. It is not clear if this is a function of their web hosting

00:15:02.940 service or this an additional measure to counter any identification efforts. Are you crazy? 0.97

00:15:14.060 We use Akamai and Amazon's CloudFront for our website, if you really want to know. They both have

00:15:19.500 thousands of nodes throughout the world. They're used to serve in direct traffic, so just plain English.

00:15:25.420 Someone from Toronto will likely reach a different IP address than someone from Vancouver might, but

00:15:31.340 no one notices or cares. That's just tech gobbledygook. It's just about how to get our website the fastest.

00:15:37.820 We don't control that Amazon does. Imagine paying for this report, this BS. I like this next part.

00:15:46.860 They're on a first-name basis with me, apparently, despite never having reached out to me for their

00:15:51.740 research. Of course not. I'd say they're scammers. I think it's quite likely that the angle here is

00:16:00.940 they're just milking the Pentagon for money by whipping up fake spies or something. Or maybe it's not about

00:16:07.340 the money. Maybe it's just about demonizing conservatives. I don't know which it is. I've

00:16:11.420 written to the University of Arkansas as well. I haven't heard back, but I'll let you know if they

00:16:15.660 do write back. But boy, are they full of it. Let me quote. Ezra, that's Mr. Levant to you. Ezra and his

00:16:23.900 team has basically used the built-with API to create fake websites for certain narratives that

00:16:31.180 they want to control. When a user searches for one of these websites or hashtags, they are redirected

00:16:36.860 to the rebel.media site with a quote, story or blog entry about the original narrative the user

00:16:43.420 searched for. But with information now coming from the rebel.media, they are using these fake sites to

00:16:48.860 drive traffic to their website. They are orchestrating Twitter hashtags from some of these same subjects

00:16:56.940 and using the Twitter platform to drive traffic to the fake websites and then turn back to the

00:17:02.060 original rebel.media site. My head's spinning. I like how they put the word stories in the scare quotes

00:17:08.940 as if they're not stories. What's fake about these websites? Are they not websites? I'm guessing this

00:17:15.660 cyber intelligence analysis was written just to bamboozle 75-year-old generals and admirals

00:17:21.660 who have no idea what a Twitter is. They give an example of one of these fake websites. I just

00:17:27.100 think, what are they talking about? It was a fun video that I did mocking Justin Trudeau's costume

00:17:34.620 party in India. Remember when he went there for eight days and seven of them were just playing dress up?

00:17:39.740 And I don't know if you remember, he brought along a convicted terrorist with him on the trip who tried

00:17:45.100 to assassinate an Indian cabinet minister. I'm not sure what was fake about this whole thing other

00:17:51.180 than Trudeau's costumes. Here, just to refresh your memory if you don't know, here's a little bit of

00:17:55.820 the video that they're talking about. But not all Canadians put on bindis and wear Indian clothing

00:18:02.620 when we go to an Indian restaurant and say namaste, namaste, namaste all the time. When most Canadians meet

00:18:09.420 Indian people, we can stay calm. We don't have to pretend we're at a costume party or that Indians

00:18:15.580 are a curiosity in a museum. I mean, it's pretty embarrassing when Trudeau met a Bollywood star,

00:18:21.660 but he was the only one wearing an over-the-top costume. So it's a real video and it really was on

00:18:27.260 our website and we really had a petition for people to sign to say sorry to India for sending such an 1.00

00:18:34.540 idiot over there. And to promise people in India that we're not all like that, please don't think 0.98

00:18:39.580 we're all as dumb as Trudeau. And you can see, by the way, in their naval intelligence memo that it's 0.97

00:18:46.140 all very real. Our name Rebel News was all over it. I don't know what the fake part is. So it was a

00:18:52.220 little video on a little website with a petition and an easy to remember domain, We're Sorry India.

00:18:58.860 I love it. It was really fun to do. Got a quarter million views. But look at how it was described.

00:19:04.700 Deep fakes of websites in Canadian elections. This is an email from the University of Arkansas

00:19:09.900 at Little Rock. That's the contractor, the spy contractor to the Navy spymaster, Goolsby,

00:19:15.580 written on October 29, 2019. So about a week after the election. It's actually a chain of emails. So

00:19:20.700 let's start at the bottom and work up just to do it in order. Hi, Rebecca. That's the spymaster. 0.98

00:19:25.900 That's M. If this were James Bond, she'd be M. Please see the report on cyber forensic analysis

00:19:33.580 of the Rebel.media website. Both Word and PDF versions are attached. The analysis revealed a

00:19:40.140 new cyber information operation tactic of deep fakes for websites at play. A collection of fake websites,

00:19:47.980 at least 291, were deployed to amplify the narrative that Trudeau is not a friend of the Canadian Indian

00:19:57.900 community in order to rally support for opposition candidate Jagmeet Singh. There are more insights in

00:20:05.900 the report. First page. An in-depth description of the analysis is provided on the subsequent pages.

00:20:12.620 Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. Nitin. That's the contractor. I got a few

00:20:18.700 questions. You know what a deep fake is, right? You ever heard that word? It's a pretty new thing.

00:20:25.980 I first saw a lot of deep fakes involving Tom Cruise. It's when you digitally take his face and put it on

00:20:31.580 someone else. Let's just take a look. As much as the momentum. Hey, listen up, sports and TikTok fans.

00:20:41.020 If you like what you're seeing, just wait till what's coming next.

00:20:49.820 That's a deep fake. Pretty convincing. It's designed to deceive you. It's like a forgery,

00:20:54.380 a video forgery, really. It pretends to be someone, typically someone famous, but it is a forgery.

00:21:01.580 How is me standing in my studio with my logo on the page on my website railing against Trudeau?

00:21:09.900 How is that a deep fake? That was really me doing it. And help me out here. Have you ever in your life

00:21:17.660 heard me trying to help Mr. Jagmeet Singh win the election or anything? By the way, I rewatched that

00:21:24.300 video today. I didn't mention Jagmeet Singh in the video at all or on that website or the petition.

00:21:29.660 It was not about him. It was really just saying sorry to India for having such an idiot as a PM. 1.00

00:21:35.900 I wanted people in India to know that we don't all like make fun of Indian clothing or something. 0.98

00:21:41.340 And, you know, we only did one website called we're sorry, India, not what do they say? 291.

00:21:49.420 That 291 number, I think he's talking about the total number of, you know, little campaigns we've

00:21:55.820 ever had on any subject at all over six years. Like, for example, I don't know if you remember,

00:22:00.860 like five years ago, we had a campaign to boycott the hamburger restaurant A&W for switching from

00:22:06.700 Canadian beef to U.S. beef. Seriously. I know I'm getting too into the details here,

00:22:10.940 but presumably that's what these spies were paid gazillions of dollars to do. They think

00:22:17.980 we had 291 deep fake websites in the last federal election designed to promote Jagmeet Singh. In fact,

00:22:28.460 we had one and it didn't even mention Jagmeet Singh. I liked the video. Here's a little more from it.

00:22:33.900 Most of all, please do not think that Canadians support terrorism. Like you,

00:22:39.420 we were shocked to learn that Justin Trudeau invited a convicted terrorist, a man who was found

00:22:44.860 guilty of attempted murder against an Indian cabinet minister. We were shocked to read that

00:22:50.940 that man was invited to attend a dinner with Justin Trudeau and his entourage on this India trip.

00:22:57.340 There's the terrorist Jaspal Atwal with Sophie Trudeau in Mumbai. The Trudeaus have known Atwal for a long

00:23:04.700 time. There's another picture with Trudeau meeting with Atwal back in Canada. For Trudeau to work with

00:23:10.460 a convicted terrorist is inexcusable. But the Navy spy boss was thrilled with the news. Here's what she wrote

00:23:18.060 back. Rebecca Goolsby wrote, great work, many thanks in all caps. And on October 29th, Nitin Agrawal,

00:23:27.420 that's the defense contractor, wrote back and said, this is more like a coordinated deep fake.

00:23:32.860 I don't think we have seen it heard about this yet. And she wrote back right away, agreed. Now,

00:23:43.020 it's super gross that the Pentagon is spying on us. It's super gross that they're using software

00:23:47.580 called SpyOnWeb. I mean, that's a little on the nose, isn't it? It's gross that instead of fighting

00:23:53.260 China, they're sneaking and creeping a conservative YouTube channel based in Canada. I think it might 0.92

00:24:00.140 be illegal. I don't know. I don't know American laws that well. It's definitely political. It's

00:24:04.300 definitely unethical. China's got to be laughing at the US Navy right now. But are they really that dumb,

00:24:11.260 the Navy intelligence officers, or these Arkansas professors, or are they just scamming the system 1.00

00:24:17.500 with their breathless talk about 291 deep fakes? It's very, very creepy to be spied on by the US

00:24:23.180 Navy. I don't even have a boat. But I won't lie, it's also disappointing to know that the greatest force

00:24:30.380 for freedom in the world, the US military, is so abjectly stupid, at least when it comes to cyber 1.00

00:24:38.940 intelligence. I don't know if they got anything right. It probably isn't against the law for the 0.99

00:24:45.100 US military to spy on me. I'm not an American citizen. I am one of the most pro-American,

00:24:51.420 pro-NATO, pro-military journalists in all of Canada, by the way, which is probably why Navy

00:24:58.300 intelligence hates me, come to think of it. But what about the Canadian Armed Forces? I am a Canadian

00:25:03.920 citizen. I have the right under our Constitution to be free of warrantless searches and seizures.

00:25:09.600 I have a lot of rights, privacy rights. The Canadian Armed Forces, like the US military,

00:25:15.520 the Canadian Armed Forces have a mandate to fight Canada's enemies, not spy on Canada's

00:25:20.800 journalists. And I'm not Canada's enemy.

00:25:22.560 So why did Harjit Sajjan then take this study and fund those same Arkansas spies, those same military

00:25:34.080 contractors, and publish their spy work in Canada? Look at this.

00:25:41.360 DHSC ISA releases election disinformation toolkit. And it's from that same defense contractor,

00:25:52.000 Nitin Agarwal, to Rebecca Goolsbee. That's the spy master of the Navy. Hi, Rebecca. Thanks for

00:25:57.600 sharing. On a related note, our Canadian election online influence campaign study was recently published

00:26:03.840 in the Journal of Future Conflict by Queen's College Department of Psychology in cooperation with

00:26:08.880 the Center for Security, Armed Forces and Society at the Department of Politics at the Royal Military

00:26:13.520 College of Canada. The Special Operations Forces Command Education and Research Center, as well as with

00:26:22.240 support from Defense Research and Development Canada. The full article is available at this website.

00:26:30.960 Best Nitin. That's the defense contractor. So hang on.

00:26:34.880 The Special Operations Forces Command of Canada? They spent taxpayers' dollars meant for the military?

00:26:45.440 They spent that money, instead of spending it defending Canada or, I don't know, spying on China?

00:26:52.480 They spent their defense budget spying on Rebel News? Harjit Sajjan's Special Forces team

00:26:59.920 spent money, hired foreign military contractors to spy on Rebel News? Oh, not just them. You saw the memo.

00:27:10.640 Defense Research and Development Canada. They spent taxpayers' dollars meant for the military.

00:27:17.280 They spent that money to spy on Rebel News. Did Justin Trudeau order them to do that?

00:27:21.360 It is disappointing to see the conservatives and the member opposite engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.

00:27:31.920 It is disappointing to see the conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.

00:27:37.920 Here's the publication that they paid for, paying the University of Arkansas military contractors to

00:27:43.200 rewrite it and publish it in Canada. This was the link that was in the contractor's

00:27:47.920 email to her spy boss in the Navy. The role of YouTube during the 2019 Canadian federal election,

00:27:54.640 a multi-method analysis of online discourse and information actors. And it's all those Americans.

00:28:01.280 Katrin Kania-Galeano, Rick Galeano, Esther Mead, Billy Spann, Joseph Creedy, and Nitin Agarwal.

00:28:07.760 That's the head military contractor. Now, don't worry, I'm not going to take you through all of it,

00:28:11.840 but look at a few parts. For our research, we identified 75 unique channels on YouTube

00:28:19.440 that published 6,019 videos about the Canadian federal election between January 1st, 2019 through

00:28:25.120 October 31st, 2019. Okay, got it. But look at this. For the purpose of brevity of this report,

00:28:32.640 we are providing our observations of the right-wing Canadian media news and commentary website Rebel News.

00:28:42.160 Yeah, you're lying. You're lying. You didn't study 75 channels. You studied one channel. We saw,

00:28:50.720 we just went through, we saw your memo. You studied the one channel that you were specifically hired to

00:28:57.840 spy on by the U.S. Navy. You just threw in the names of 74 other websites to make it look like you

00:29:03.520 weren't spying on Canada's leading conservative YouTube channel. You're spies, but you're really,

00:29:10.640 really bad at this, guys. I always thought the smartest students in university went on to became

00:29:16.960 spies. No. The analysis revealed that the operations were located in the United States.

00:29:25.760 Yeah. No. I'm right here in Canada, you stupid buffoons. Most of the study repeats the errors,

00:29:35.280 the wrong guesses, and the smears of the earlier memo that I showed you. It's just fake. That's a bit

00:29:40.800 ironic. They claim to be on the hunt for misinformation and fake news, but they are the purveyors of fake

00:29:47.040 news. I'm not American. We're not an American operation. We've never made a deep fake video in our

00:29:53.520 lives. I don't support Jagmeet Singh, and the feeling is mutual. We're not your enemies,

00:29:59.760 America. We're actually the most pro-American channel in Canada. I'm just trying to figure out

00:30:05.680 why. Is it because that Navy spymaster just hates conservatives? Could be. Is it because she's just 1.00

00:30:14.000 empire building? She needs to do lots of busy work to justify her budget and get more budget and get more 1.00

00:30:20.400 staff and get more praise? I don't know. Is it because Justin Trudeau and Harjit Sajjan asked for

00:30:26.080 this to be done to us? Could be. Because you have to admit, it's very, very weird for the U.S. Navy

00:30:34.240 Intelligence Department to hire a military contractor at the University of Arkansas to specifically smear

00:30:42.640 a Canadian YouTube channel. I got to tell you, that's really weird unless they were asked to do

00:30:47.920 that by Justin Trudeau or Harjit Sajjan. I don't know. I'm laughing at how stupid they are. I'm laughing

00:30:54.880 at how wrong they are. I made 219 videos in support of Jagmeet Singh. Yeah, no, I didn't, guys.

00:31:01.040 I'm laughing. But it's not funny at all, actually. They are spying on me and my staff. Who knows what

00:31:08.160 they've done? They're making an enemies list, obviously. They're lying about us, obviously. I

00:31:14.080 suppose that's normal. If you're making an enemies list, you're probably not afraid to lie about

00:31:18.640 someone. I wonder if anyone will care about all this. I mean, if we were a left-wing YouTube channel,

00:31:24.080 I don't know, The Young Turks or something, and Donald Trump ordered the Navy to spy on The Young Turks

00:31:29.840 or some other left-wing YouTube site. Would anyone care? I think so. I should note this spying actually

00:31:38.720 did occur when Donald Trump was president, though it was unlikely he was briefed on it. I don't think

00:31:44.960 he would have approved it. I think this is the military deep state, which we saw this weekend

00:31:50.960 go after Tucker Carlson. I think they left wing. What do you think? We have access to information

00:31:56.400 requests into both Queens University, which reprinted this smear, and to the University of Arkansas

00:32:03.360 with the defense contractors, which really, really doesn't want to hand over their documents to us.

00:32:08.880 We've been fighting with them for a little while. I mean, I can sort of guess why they don't want to

00:32:13.520 hand it over, right? Do you think any of this is a problem? The Pentagon spying on rebel news?

00:32:21.280 Or how about Harjit Sajjan and his special forces office spying on us, hiring foreign military

00:32:32.160 contractors to have a go at us? Do you have a problem with that? Alberta Premier Jason Kenney set

00:32:38.400 up an inquiry into foreign-funded eco-extremist groups attacking the oil sands in Alberta. And that

00:32:44.160 has been a five-alarm fire for the left in Canada, and journalists and civil libertarians,

00:32:48.240 civil libertarians saying he's invading their privacy. Yeah, he's not spying on them, though.

00:32:56.240 How about when Harjit Sajjan and Justin Trudeau send money from their special forces command

00:33:03.760 to a foreign military contractor in Arkansas to work up a spy memo on Canadian journalists? Is that a

00:33:10.640 problem for anyone? It's a problem for me. But it's a sign of how far Canada has fallen in terms of

00:33:19.200 press freedom and, indeed, all freedoms. But I will say this one thing about the spy report

00:33:25.360 that raised my spirits. If they're going to lock us up, they better start building more prisons,

00:33:31.120 because, you see, we've got some friends out there. As you can see, we were the fifth most important

00:33:36.640 producer of videos. In the entire 2019 election, as you can see, the CBC is counted twice ahead of us,

00:33:43.760 and CTV and Global, so we're actually in fourth place. Then it was us, way, way ahead of anyone

00:33:50.320 else. That's just measuring YouTube videos that were served up. That's why Harjit Sajjan and Justin

00:33:56.800 Trudeau were spying on us. Because tens of millions of Canadians are watching us hundreds of millions of

00:34:03.520 times. In fact, although the CBC and the rest of the media party had numerically more videos

00:34:09.520 produced during the 2019 election, they actually pumped out more of them. Ours were the most

00:34:16.160 influential, according to these spies. Although, I have to say, I don't trust the word they say.

00:34:20.480 They're that incompetent. But if you take them at their word, we were bigger than Global News,

00:34:26.160 bigger than CTV, bigger than CBC. I see our friends True North on that map, too. Glad to see it.

00:34:33.040 According to these stupid spies, so who knows if it's true, we were the most influential YouTube 1.00

00:34:39.520 channel in the 2019 election. Maybe that's why Trudeau paid the United States contractors 1.00

00:34:47.200 to spy on us, my friends. Hey, before I go, if you want to help keep us strong,

00:34:52.640 maybe pop by helprebelnews.com, chip in a few bucks. You know, according to the spies,

00:35:00.560 we're doing more than anyone else on the internet to push back against Trudeau.

00:35:05.280 And that ain't fake, my friends. Thanks.

00:35:08.400 Welcome back. Well, I tell you, if Donald Trump and his generals had attacked journalists of the

00:35:26.320 left, it would have been, and should have been, a scandal. Alas, he didn't do so. In fact, for some

00:35:32.160 reason, Trump just couldn't stop calling on his so-called enemies, Jim Acosta and the CNN boys.

00:35:38.960 He couldn't resist bantering with them every day. I think he liked the sparring. Not so much Joe Biden,

00:35:46.240 who is yet to give an actual press conference 50 days into his presidency. I don't think he's up for it.

00:35:52.960 And even if he thought he was, I don't think his staff would allow such a disaster for someone who's

00:35:58.320 not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But what do we make about this attack on a conservative

00:36:04.800 civilian journalist by uniformed members of the United States Department of Defense using their

00:36:11.600 official resources and then having a round of attaboys by senior commanders, including generals?

00:36:18.000 Joining us now via Skype to talk about this is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large

00:36:22.160 at Breitbart.com. Joel, it's really creepy to have men in uniform, camouflage uniforms,

00:36:30.000 giving political speeches. That feels a little banana republic-y to me.

00:36:36.000 Well, there are a number of things that are quite disturbing about this. Let me just set the

00:36:41.920 frame around this and give you the context. President Biden was making remarks at the promotion of two

00:36:50.560 female officers to very senior positions in the military. And he went on to talk about the things

00:36:56.880 that the U.S. military is doing to make women more comfortable in the armed forces and also to 0.95

00:37:02.000 eliminate barriers to women's advancement. And in the armed forces, as in other parts of the workforce,

00:37:07.760 the most significant obstacle or challenge, I should say, for women is pregnancy. Pregnancy takes women 1.00

00:37:14.400 out of the workforce at a key point in their careers, often when male counterparts are earning promotions

00:37:21.600 and so forth. So you can eliminate all the gender discrimination in the world, but pregnancy essentially

00:37:28.880 is a significant disadvantage, at least in regard to the career ladder. So under Trump, actually, the armed

00:37:36.560 forces took efforts to minimize the amount that pregnancy would take away from women's career paths in the

00:37:43.760 military. And the ways they did that involved many different things, but one of them included

00:37:51.280 making more uniforms friendly to pregnant women. And I can actually speak about this from first or second

00:37:57.760 hand experience, at least, because my wife is in the U.S. Navy Reserve and has been through the reserve in

00:38:04.240 now three pregnancies. So this is something that they've done. Now, she can't do all her normal duties when she's 0.91

00:38:09.760 pregnant. And we're not actually sending pregnant women to the front lines in any sense. They have 1.00

00:38:15.760 other duties when they are pregnant. But the military has become more flexible in allowing them to serve

00:38:21.280 within limits. If you get pregnant too often in the military, they may discharge you because you're

00:38:26.960 non-deployable for too long or too frequently. The military still wants to be able to have its forces

00:38:33.200 deployment ready. So it's not as if you can basically just be pregnant all the time and get

00:38:38.960 excused from duty all the time. But the military has become more accommodating, both under Republican

00:38:45.280 and Democratic administrations. Tucker Carlson took exception to Biden's comments, and he contrasted the

00:38:51.760 attitude of the U.S. Armed Forces with that of the Chinese military, which is building Navy ships rapidly

00:38:58.800 and is encouraging masculine behavior among Chinese men in order to make them, I suppose, better 0.96

00:39:04.080 soldiers. Tucker then said, we're doing the opposite in the U.S. Armed Forces. And he hit on the example

00:39:09.680 of the pregnant flight suit. Now, I think Tucker is wrong on the substance here because I don't think

00:39:16.000 that the pregnant flight suit has anything to do with military readiness. But I think his overall point

00:39:21.520 is largely correct, which is that under Democratic administrations like Obama, like Biden,

00:39:26.800 the military does spend a lot more time doing politically correct things rather than doing

00:39:32.560 things that make our military more effective. And a great example is the transgender policy.

00:39:38.000 There are militaries that allow transgender soldiers to serve the Israeli army, for example,

00:39:41.920 but that's a different situation where there's universal conscription. In the United States,

00:39:46.960 transgender soldiers often require transition surgery. So you're joining the military and you need 1.00

00:39:53.600 surgery to correct gender dysphoria that takes transgender soldiers out of deployable status,

00:40:00.640 out of active duty. It costs the taxpayer a lot of money to have these surgeries. And it's a special

00:40:05.920 exception. Actually, we don't allow people in the military who need corrective surgery for other things.

00:40:10.720 Yeah. If your teeth are bad, you know, the Navy will pay to fix them. But if you have flat feet,

00:40:14.960 if you have a bad back, if you have asthma or whatever, the military is not going to take you and no hard

00:40:18.960 feelings, but they need soldiers who are ready to be physically deployed again with the exception of

00:40:23.600 pregnancy where the military is trying to become more flexible. But there are examples like the

00:40:27.600 transgender issue where the armed forces has put, you could say, political correctness or in a more

00:40:33.760 charitable light, you could say inclusion ahead of military readiness. And I think that's Tucker Carlson's

00:40:38.640 point. Now, what was really unacceptable, whether you agree with Tucker or not, was you had several

00:40:44.000 Defense Department accounts on social media blasting Tucker Carlson, not only blasting him over the

00:40:50.640 substance of what he said, but also suggesting directly that he had no right to say it because

00:40:56.160 he's a civilian who hasn't served in uniform. When the military starts telling journalists that they

00:41:01.840 have no right to criticize or examine military policies because they are civilians. Now you have

00:41:09.280 a rogue military. You have a military operating outside of the umbrella of civilian control.

00:41:14.160 And this seems to be okay with the Biden administration, as long as the targets are

00:41:17.680 conservative. There was also an extraordinary press conference where Pentagon spokesman,

00:41:22.080 John Kirby, a political flack of note, who despite his distinguished military career has always been on

00:41:27.520 the left and was a State Department spokesman under Obama. He attacked Tucker Carlson. And the way the

00:41:33.120 Pentagon presented that was as Pentagon spokesman smites Fox News host. They used the term smites,

00:41:40.880 like in the biblical sense. And they claimed that what Tucker Carlson was smited for doing was dissing

00:41:47.600 diversity. So the military, the Pentagon characterized Tucker Carlson's specific criticism of a specific

00:41:55.040 issue, pregnant flight suits, women, women in combat situations, let's say. And they made it about

00:42:01.600 diversity. Diversity includes a lot more than just pregnant soldiers. Diversity includes racial diversity,

00:42:07.680 other kinds of diversity. So basically, the Pentagon made Tucker Carlson out to be a racist

00:42:12.160 on the basis of nothing, just because he criticized the military's ongoing policy toward pregnant

00:42:19.920 soldiers and so forth. Now, again, you can disagree with Tucker on the substance. It was extraordinary

00:42:24.880 that uniformed senior members of the military and the Pentagon itself attacked a Fox News host. And when he

00:42:32.400 hit back, they doubled down. They didn't stop. Now, there's one account, I believe, associated with

00:42:36.960 the Marines that did try to back away from its comments. But what's really frightening about this

00:42:41.840 is the degree to which there's been almost no compunction whatsoever about having the military go

00:42:47.760 after Tucker Carlson in this way. You know, they never did the same thing with regard to Islamic

00:42:53.840 jihadists within the ranks. But there seems to be zero tolerance for conservative views. And this is all

00:42:59.120 coming at a time when the military under Lloyd Austin is busy trying to weed out, quote unquote, 0.71

00:43:03.920 extremists within its ranks. We don't know what extremism means in this context. Lloyd Austin said

00:43:09.040 there's going to be a 60 day stand down, quote unquote, in the military in various branches while

00:43:13.840 they ferret out the extremists because there were a handful of former soldiers and a few reservists,

00:43:20.800 maybe one or two active duty people who were arrested at the Capitol riot. But we're talking about

00:43:24.320 maybe about a dozen people. The military as a whole is now being tarnished. And Lloyd Austin is

00:43:28.880 rooting out extremism. Well, the examples of extremism that we're aware of all have to do

00:43:34.160 with the Capitol riot. We don't know that the military is going after Black Lives Matter sympathizers

00:43:38.320 or Antifa supporters in the military. We don't know that. But we do know that they're trying to target

00:43:43.840 people who supported the Capitol protests. And there's no real solid definition of extremism.

00:43:51.040 So now you have the military going after Tucker Carlson and Fox News, who are within the mainstream,

00:43:56.160 well within the mainstream. In fact, Fox News takes a lot of heat from Trump supporters for

00:43:59.760 being too critical of Trump. Fox News well within the mainstream. Now you have the military going

00:44:05.280 after Fox News and Tucker Carlson. It's an unprecedented politicization of the military.

00:44:10.960 And conservatives are starting to sound the alarm. I don't know why leftists are silent,

00:44:15.680 I guess, with the exception of one or two, like the Glenn Greenwalds of the world, who've really come

00:44:20.240 out as as vociferous defenders of free speech. But most of the Democrats are completely silent

00:44:25.360 about this, completely unconcerned, apparently, that the shoe could be on the other foot one day.

00:44:29.600 And that if you have, you know, a Ted Cruz as secretary of defense, that Democrats could be

00:44:34.480 rooted out of the military or attack. By the way, that would never happen because Ted Cruz is a

00:44:38.160 constitutional conservative. Republicans seem to take the separation of politics and the military

00:44:43.200 rather seriously. But Democrats seem to think the military can be deployed in the service of their

00:44:48.320 ideological ambitions to crush their political opponents.

00:44:51.440 You're so right. You know, I just went on the Navy's homepage today because

00:44:56.000 for some weird reason, the US Navy is using some cyber security excuse to spy on rebel news. I found

00:45:06.400 that really creepy. I went to the Navy homepage. First thing I saw is the 60 day stand down to root out

00:45:12.240 extremism. And I just thought, you know, that that's what the left accused the right of.

00:45:17.600 McCarthyism. We don't even know what extremism is. I mean, it's transforming the military into

00:45:24.960 like a palace guard, into a personal gang of the leader. And I mean, I saw Ted Cruz wrote a scorching

00:45:32.640 letter to the secretary of defense, but I haven't seen much more criticism of it. I find it terrifying.

00:45:39.360 Again, the issue here is how they define extremism. I think that conservatives and liberals would agree

00:45:48.400 that we don't want violent extremists in the military. Major Nidal Hassan, who carried out the

00:45:54.480 Fort Hood massacre in 2009, was an Islamic extremist in the military. And I think everybody would agree, 1.00

00:46:01.920 we don't want Islamic extremists in the military. I think there would be broad agreement. We don't want 1.00

00:46:06.720 white supremacist extremists in the military. But the military is already one of the most diverse

00:46:11.280 institutions in America, probably the most diverse institution in America. So it's the last place you'd 1.00

00:46:17.600 expect to find white supremacists. It doesn't mean there isn't racism in the military. And it doesn't

00:46:22.320 mean that you don't have white supremacists to join the military or people who become white supremacists

00:46:26.640 after the military and they abuse the military skills that they've learned and so forth. But I

00:46:32.560 don't think there's any disagreement. We don't want violent extremists. But what Democrats seem not to

00:46:37.200 care about is that the military is going after people solely for their views. If you just have

00:46:43.120 views that are a little off the wall, let's say, I'm not even talking about you watch Tucker Carlson on

00:46:47.120 Fox News. Suppose you have very radical left wing views. Suppose you have some rather strident right wing

00:46:54.880 views. Are your views alone enough to get you drummed out of the military? Is that what the

00:46:59.200 military is supposed to become? And again, you have an officer corps that is already more left wing,

00:47:05.200 already partial to big government, very much centered around Washington and its priorities.

00:47:10.000 And that officer corps was never quite comfortable with President Donald Trump. A lot of the retired

00:47:15.440 generals and admirals of the last several years came out against Donald Trump, said that he should be

00:47:21.840 removed as soon as possible. That was Admiral McRaven, former commanding officer of the Navy SEALs.

00:47:26.400 The rank and file, the enlisted members of the military tended to be much more supportive of

00:47:30.160 President Trump. And that's where you saw soldiers showing up at Trump speeches with MAGA hats and that

00:47:35.280 sort of thing. So the military has really struggled to deal with a lot of the political divisions in the

00:47:40.720 country because, of course, Americans are Americans in uniform or out. And some of those divisions do show up

00:47:45.440 within the military itself. But to have the Pentagon going after the major conservative news outlet in the

00:47:52.080 United States and on a spurious basis making up this nonsense about diversity, they could have responded

00:47:57.920 simply and said, pregnant women serve with distinction in the U.S. Armed Forces and left it at that. And they could 0.69

00:48:05.120 have given the facts of the policy, as I did to you, that I know, again, from my wife's experience, where she's been through

00:48:11.440 three pregnancies in the Navy Reserve. And pregnant sailors and soldiers and so forth serve with distinction.

00:48:20.480 They don't go into the front lines of combat. That was a remark Tucker Carlson made. He said,

00:48:25.280 we're sending pregnant women to fight our wars. Well, we're not really. When women become pregnant, 1.00

00:48:29.440 they are assigned different duties. So my wife, who's in helicopter maintenance, you know, she's not going 0.98

00:48:34.240 to be climbing on top of a bird anymore, you know, straddling a rotor and, you know, tugging a wrench because it's

00:48:38.800 just it's a little hard. But, you know, you know, she'll take a few months off from doing that.

00:48:45.280 But she can still do other things. And and the military has become more and more accommodating,

00:48:50.560 even under and especially under President Donald Trump. This is something we want our military to

00:48:55.440 be. We want our military to be a place where women can advance. And it is a place where women advance. 1.00

00:49:00.240 And it's a place of diversity in our country. It's not a source of extremism in the United States.

00:49:06.720 But what's happening is the Biden administration is turning the military into a political weapon.

00:49:11.600 And there seem to be a lot of officers and senior enlisted people who are eager to comply and who

00:49:16.720 are eager to show the new boss just how compliant they can be. And maybe that's because there was

00:49:23.680 talk of using the military to suppress some of the Black Lives Matter riots last summer. So the

00:49:28.160 military feels it was politicized already. I don't think Donald Trump ever politicized the military,

00:49:32.160 by the way. That was Democrats accusing the military being political for suppressing riots

00:49:36.720 that never should have taken place in the first place. I mean, when the National Guard had to be

00:49:40.240 called out in Washington, D.C. to stop a mob from overrunning the White House, I think that was a

00:49:44.720 good use of military resources. And it's only because Democrats were encouraging these people that those

00:49:50.000 mobs were there. But Democrats said that was a politicized use of the military. OK, that's their view. I don't

00:49:56.960 think it was. But it does seem that that message has disturbed enough people in the military that

00:50:02.480 they seem to be overcorrecting now and going out on a limb in public on social media accounts and on

00:50:07.200 the Pentagon website and from the podium at the Pentagon and attacking the opposition and opposition

00:50:12.720 media voices. It's really a dangerous juncture. And Ted Cruz is making a noise about it. I wish

00:50:17.600 more Republicans would. But we'll see what comes of what Ted Cruz is doing. I think he's asking some

00:50:21.200 very important questions that the military will have to answer. Yeah. Well, I'm glad Ted Cruz is doing it.

00:50:26.080 Of course, Canada is so far gone, you wouldn't even believe it. Thankfully,

00:50:31.840 you know, well, there is no silver lining to it. And the fact that they're not just looking at

00:50:38.480 extremism within the ranks, whatever extremism means, but they're spying on journalists even

00:50:44.400 outside of America. I mean, that's very troubling to me since we're the target of it. We'll keep you

00:50:50.000 posted on that story too, Joel. Thank you so much. Great to see you. There you have it, Joel Pollack,

00:50:54.320 Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart.com. I find this story very strange because,

00:50:58.480 of course, it is touching us here at Rebel News in a manner of speaking as well. Stay with us more.

00:51:02.640 What do you think of those spy memos? What do you think of that? I think it's crazy. I think it's

00:51:19.040 really creepy that military contractors were hired to spy on us in the States. But, you know, there's

00:51:27.280 no accounting for when you've got $160 billion sloshing around. A lot of stupid things happen. 1.00

00:51:31.840 But for the Canadian Special Forces under Harjeet Sajjan to pay foreign contractors to spy on us, 0.99

00:51:37.200 what do you think of that? And you think we're the only ones? That's the show for today, my friends.

00:51:43.200 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, do you at home. Good night.

00:51:47.440 And keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 16, 2021

Why are the U.S. and Canadian military spying on Rebel News？

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