Why Hudson's Bay dumped Ivanka Trump's clothing line (Guest host： David Menzies)
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Hudson's Bay is dropping the Ivanka Trump clothing line. Was this a business decision or progressive bullying? Ezra and David discuss why this is such a big deal, and what it means for women around the world.
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Tonight, the Hudson's Bay is dropping the Ivanka Trump clothing line.
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Was this a business decision or progressive bullying?
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It's July 17th. I'm David Menzies and this is the Ezra Levent Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
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You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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The Ivanka Trump clothing line is heading to the clearance bin.
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Yes, the Bay is phasing out this high-end haberdashery.
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Is it poor sales or is it mounting pressure by the usual suspects?
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So, the Hudson's Bay chain is the latest retailer to axe the Ivanka Trump line of clothing.
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Hey, it is the Bay's right to sell or not to sell.
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And in a Toronto Star story, a Bay spokesperson had this to say about the Ivanka Trump merchandise.
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Quote, Hudson's Bay is phasing out this brand through the fall based on its performance.
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As part of our regular course of business, we review our merchandise offerings and make appropriate changes.
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Now, the Bay doesn't have to divulge sales figures.
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And to be quite frank, if the chain was axing any other clothing line, I wouldn't give a Rotom's rectum.
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But because there's a Donald Trump hook to this story, well, folks, my spidey senses are tingling.
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After all, those suffering from Trump derangement syndrome continue to wage war on anything associated with the president.
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In the case of the Ivanka line of clothing, Nordstrom's and Sears ceased to carry the line last year.
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But again, I'd love to know if this eradication is due to lackluster sales, as claimed,
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or if this is all about bending to the will of progressive bullies.
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After all, more than 40 companies and organizations are listed on the hashtag grab your wallet boycott list,
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either because they carry Trump products, or they have some sort of indirect connection with the president.
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So, one must ponder if this pressure got to the Bay.
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And if the Bay is indeed caving to such pressure,
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let's just consider the caliber of people that the chain is indeed acquiescing to.
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You see, in February 2017, we ventured out to Toronto's flagship Bay store to cover a protest over the Ivanka Trump merchandise
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And in case you missed that report, here are a few highlights.
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I don't believe that Canada has the values that we're seeing be allowed, I guess,
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such a big voice in the States under Donald Trump.
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It upsets me that Hudson's Bay has not taken a stand, as Nordstrom has,
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to not support Ivanka Trump and her line of clothing.
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When you think of all the things, I guess, facing women in so many countries around the world,
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Absolutely it is. I mean, you have to start somewhere.
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You have to fight all forms of oppression. This is oppressive.
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The message from the Trump government and Ivanka, because she's his first lady, you know.
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She's performing the duties that a first lady normally does,
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Yeah, so Ivanka is the first lady, or is at least performing the duties of the first lady,
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which has been well documented in the press, so it must be true, right?
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So if I protest against his daughter and that brand and that information that they support,
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then I am fighting for women's rights and the rights of everyone.
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When I look at a country, say, Saudi Arabia, a woman can't drive, can't vote,
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I mean, to me, that seems far more misogynistic than anything coming out of the White House.
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That was locker room talk, but by the same token, you're calling yourself the Peeve Beavers.
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Well, isn't that a slur word for female genitalia as well?
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You know, I think I can actually feel myself getting dumber as I listen to this stuff.
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And as the day wore on, folks, it only got more bizarre.
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She actually referred to Donald Trump as the Eye of Sauron.
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Bottom line, if indeed the Bay was coerced by the likes of the Peeve Beavers to drop the Ivanka Trump line of clothing,
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then this surely falls into the category of not knowing your audience.
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From what I can tell, such progressive protester posses simply aren't into high fashion in the first place.
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Meanwhile, those who are Trump supporters, which is a very sizable number, I would suggest,
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might just find themselves royally peeved off now.
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And I should think that the Bay had better hope that these people, i.e. their customers,
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don't demonstrate their discontent by taking all of their department store business elsewhere.
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The iconic logo of the Greyhound Bus Company won't be seen on the roads of much of Western Canada
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as the company plans to end service in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and most of British Columbia come October.
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But the question arises, what led to Greyhound abandoning these markets in the first place?
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With more on this story is Edmonton Sun columnist Lauren Gunter.
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And Lauren, you recently wrote a superb column about the demise of Greyhound in the West.
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And while more people are driving cars these days and using discount airliners,
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it appears that Greyhound was also burdened by just too much government regulation.
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I mean, I think it's interesting that Jagmeet Singh, the NDP leader federally,
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has called for funding for Greyhound to keep it going when what's needed is for the provincial governments
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that where it operates to all get out of the way of creative solutions.
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So Greyhound is by its own decision kind of married to big buses, to, you know, overbuilt terminals with regular schedules, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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But part of it, too, is that provincial governments, with the exception of Alberta, which deregulated buses in 2011,
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most of the rest of the provinces that are affected by this pullout dictate to Greyhound that it must run certain routes,
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that it must have certain buses, that it can't abandon X and Y village, that it has to stop everywhere,
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regardless of whether there's been a passenger there or not in the last 15 years.
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So Greyhound has an awful lot of baggage to carry, literally and figuratively.
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And that's one of the big reasons why it's not profitable.
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Well, clearly, Lauren, it seems to me from what your column states, the government isn't really good when it comes to the bus business.
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Maybe it's not good in any business for that matter.
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And, you know, I think you nailed it in one of the paragraphs.
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As an example, you said, for instance, a government might decree that there had to be a full-size bus,
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leave Town A at least once a day, headed for Big City B.
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Didn't matter whether there was enough business to turn a profit on that route.
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The government felt there was a valid public policy reason for the service, so it commanded Greyhound to do so.
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Well, Lauren, you know, the question begs if Greyhound was, why would the government mandate Greyhound to run a full-size, say, 53-seat bus
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when, you know, there wasn't enough people to even fill one-third of that bus?
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They could get by with that edict at maybe a profitable basis if they ran a smaller shuttle, but you're telling me they weren't allowed to.
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Exactly. And one of the examples that proves that point, David, is that in about six years ago, Acadia bus lines,
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which was the Greyhound equivalent in the three maritime provinces, it decided it was going to fold
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because it could no longer be profitable with its model, which was also big highway buses and built-up terminals
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and, you know, the standard old-fashioned bus model.
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And everybody, well, not everybody, but lots of people in the three maritime provinces
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wrung their hands and moaned about the fact that they were losing this bus service
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and people wouldn't be able to get to medical appointments
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and poor people wouldn't be able to get to jobs and et cetera, et cetera.
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The same arguments that are being made now with Greyhound,
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but what happened was the three maritime provinces then had to accept maritime bus,
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which was a much more flexible private sector bus service,
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which sometimes runs VAM from one town to the next when there's not enough business for a big city bus.
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And it will cut back on the schedule during off-peak periods of the year
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You know, you don't have the same schedule every day.
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You don't have the same schedule every month or every season.
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And so that has allowed bus service to reestablish itself wherever there's demand
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in the three maritime provinces without the government having to come in
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and either subsidize the old service, which was Acadian,
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In Saskatchewan, until May of last year, May of 2017,
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And lots of people very sentimental about the way they are about the CBC
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They're so much more reliable and fairer than the private sector.
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Well, the Saskatchewan government owned STC until May of 2017.
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And finally, the Brad Wall government got rid of it because they calculated that
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on most routes, the subsidy per passenger per trip had climbed to between $90 and $100.
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So every time somebody got on the bus, taxpayers had to pay $90 to $100
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to take them from where they got picked up to where they got dropped off.
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And that's basically what's been happening to Greyhound indirectly
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So if the government's in B.C., Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Manitoba
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will just get out of the way and allow private sectors to start up,
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It might just be Lorne with the big station wagon.
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And it will match what the demand in pump-handle Saskatchewan is.
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Well, you know, Lorne, here's a hypothetical question for you.
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And it's this. Is Greyhound really serious about this pullout?
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Or is this, to use a Trumpian phrase, the art of the deal?
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And what I'm getting at is that they make this announcement to get a reaction from government
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for government to come back to Greyhound and look and say,
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What can we do with the regulations to change them to make this more profitable for you
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Western Canada is such a small market for Greyhound now.
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It's lost almost 50% of its ridership in Western Canada since 2010.
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And as you said in the intro, the big reason for that is there's now discount airlines.
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I looked this up the other day when Greyhound announced it was pulling out.
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If I wanted to go from Edmonton to Winnipeg on Greyhound, it would cost me over $170.
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If I wanted to go from Edmonton to Winnipeg on WestJet, it would cost me $270.
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So for about $100 difference, I can get there in two hours versus 16 to 18 hours.
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Well, there aren't many people who won't make that choice.
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Even people on low income are choosing that kind of convenience over the ordeal of going
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I remember people when I went home from university, about nine hours, a one-way trip, four or five
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times a year on Greyhound from Edmonton to Madison Hat.
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And you had to stop in a bunch of little towns and you had to have a two-hour layover in Calgary
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But at the time, nobody thought different of it because there were no other alternatives.
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And sometimes people then were kind of nostalgic about, oh, I had this great long discussion
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with this lady who was going to visit her child.
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And there's still some of that nostalgia, some of that fuzzy feeling about Greyhound in the
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But from a utilitarian standpoint, more people are driving.
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And it's just not profitable for Greyhound as it's structured to do it.
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Greyhound just built a brand new terminal in Edmonton.
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But it got moved out of its downtown location by our new hockey rink.
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And now they're backing away from that because that kind of model just doesn't work for bus
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What do you think of the politicization of this Greyhound withdrawal from Western Canada?
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For example, it's been floated that people in rural areas, native reserves, they're going
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And I noticed earlier today, Prime Minister Trudeau made some announcement, nothing concrete,
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but he wants Mark Garneau, the transportation minister, to look into remedies.
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So I guess what I'm asking you, sir, is how do you see this playing out?
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Or is it just come Halloween, that's it for Greyhound in Western Canada?
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Well, I do think that the feds, because they're progressives, and most of the provincial governments
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in the West, including the Alberta NDP, who are progressives, will try and come up with
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But that's because progressives have no imagination.
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Whenever there is an issue that comes forward, the only solution they ever see is a government
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And so will they try and come up with some money?
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But at the very most, that will only prevent the inevitable from happening.
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They simply have to get out of the way and let local entrepreneurs figure out what it is.
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There's going to be somebody in almost all of these communities, or somebody in a region
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of one of these provinces, or over all three provinces.
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There's going to be someone who says, look, there's a bunch of buses now that I can get
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for pennies on the dollar from Greyhound, I can run them.
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If I also have some vans, 12-passenger vans, I can run those too, and we'll provide the service.
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There is just too many people in Western Canada who need to get to oil rigs and into the bush,
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you know, into logging operations and things, that there isn't enough, you know, there's
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clearly enough business for some sort of transportation like this.
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But it's not on the Greyhound model, and it's not on the regulated model that governments
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And so somebody coming along and deciding to give taxpayer dollars to keep Greyhound alive
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is merely funding a system that's inevitably going to collapse.
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And Lauren, maybe like you said earlier, if government does get out of the way, maybe with
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my minivan and your station wagon, we can be the new carriers of people in Western Canada.
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It might not be a nostalgic ride, but it'll be a ride to Point B to, and nevertheless...
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Well, I'm old enough now that I'm full of nostalgia.
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Well, people tell me I'm full of something too, but I can't say it on a family show.
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Lauren, thank you so much for weighing in on the Greyhound issue.
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More of the Ezra Levin show to come right after this.
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Well, the most recent global report card rating CO2 emissions has arrived, and the results
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For example, just check out which country had the largest decline in CO2 emissions.
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Well, it was none other than the United States of America.
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But on the flip side, just check out which country made the top 10 list in terms of having
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Haven't we been led to believe that the Trudeau liberals are climate change crusaders, whereas
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the Trump administration doesn't give a darn about the environment?
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Well, joining me now to make sense of it all is Mark Morano, the founder of ClimateDepot.com.
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Thanks for coming on the Ezra Levin show, Mark.
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In the U.S., leading the way on fighting climate change under Donald Trump.
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How did this come to be, given the narrative right off the bat?
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What factors have led to the U.S. actually having the greatest decrease in carbon emissions?
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The simple answer is fracking, as it replaces coal for electricity use in the United States.
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Fracking is just so much more cleaner, efficient, lower CO2 burning.
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Not the clean and CO2 go together, but just in a lot of other pollutants.
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So what's happened is they don't want to they don't want to credit.
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When I say they, I mean, the environmental groups, the media doesn't want to credit fracking.
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So originally they were trying to say, well, this is because of the great recession of 2007
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And by the way, you may have seen some of the extreme weather we're getting here now.
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But they tried to blame it on the big stock market and recession we had 2008.
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And they tried that for years to say, oh, it's just a leftover of that.
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In fact, they were so optimistic that I would go to United Nations conferences and climate
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activists like Kevin Anderson out of the U.K. and other U.N. officials were calling for
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planned recessions in order to lower emissions and fight global warming.
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But the problem now is that argument no longer holds any water as we go forward here, because
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the U.S. economy is doing very well with record low unemployment and very steady, robust economic
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It's because of the energy revolution in technology, not because of regulations, not
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Paris Agreement and we're going full steam on fossil fuels.
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It just goes to show you this is about technology and about unleashing and allowing the energy
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sector and the free market to go and to go out and get that energy, which is what's happening
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We still have states like New York that won't even allow fracking.
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Well, you know, Mark, I find that incredible that people on the other side of this issue
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actually advocate for a recession as being a good thing.
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But, you know, I guess we're used to that kind of inanity from some of those progressives.
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But tell me, I guess from what you're saying, it seems to me that it's deregulation that
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is leading the U.S. toward what some call the fracking miracle, with the exception of New
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Do I have that right, Mark, that there's fewer regulations that are preventing the energy
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companies to going out there and getting this energy to market?
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Yeah, I mean, I've been toward several different fracking sites.
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I mean, it's deregulation, but it's also just that incentive.
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You know, I was in Pennsylvania and it's amazing to see the amount of drilling they're able to
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do, the amount of oil, the amount of small, like small time operators that are able to
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just start up companies and start and make money and the landowners making money.
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So what's happening is there's become a glut, if you will, and that's actually helping to
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And it's also helping to lower our emissions, if that's your goal.
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And it is ironic because even the New York Times this week had an article from a Notre
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Dame professor calling, essentially saying that we need central planning and capitalism
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is the root of all this evil in order to fight global warming.
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And this was a guy lamenting that he had his daughter saying that he doesn't know why he would
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be contributing to the horrible, you know, state of our earth and, you know, given all
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I mean, they openly advocate the opposite from what works here, the climate activists do.
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Another irony here is that Europe, which is much further along on the road to socialism or
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central planning, if you will, are doing much, much worse.
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They're right in the middle of the pack of the countries doing poorly with rising emissions.
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So the irony here is you have all of the French, the French president, Macron, other European
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union nations and Europe leaders looking down on the Trump administration with their, you
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know, if their nose is held high as though we're some kind of scientific rubes because
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Meanwhile, in real world data, we're kicking their rear ends in terms of lowering our emissions.
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Again, if that's your target and goal, and I don't even think it should be with CO2.
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But it's amazing because they're trying to make shame us, in the words of John Kerry,
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But we're showing we don't even need it if you care about if you care about emissions.
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I have here that EU emissions were up one point five percent.
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And it really kills me because aren't these European countries typically where these U.N.
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Aren't these the, you know, the great leaders, the progressives trying to tell us how to do
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And yet here we have them up one point five percent, whereas the U.S.
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Do you have any other insight into what's leading that trend?
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Well, in Europe, they're trying all they've tried a whole series of green energy mandates.
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And if you remember, the whole premise of this, going back to Al Gore's film and all
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these environmental activists, if they want to essentially ban energy that works and then
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mandate energy that's not ready for prime time, it may never be.
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You never want to be against science or technology.
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Wind has been around since, what, the 13th century and still hasn't progressed to the point
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So what's happened here in Europe and in Germany is that they're failing spectacularly and then
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they're being forced to rely back on the old standby of coal and other forms of energy because
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they're not all these projections that they had of green energy just filling in the void
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So we're finding that they haven't unleashed the market.
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They've actually gone the opposite in trying to follow UN mandates or trying to essentially
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And they're finding that it's just not, you know, it's not working out for them.
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And those numbers are giving us, they sound low, 1.5 percent.
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But if you look at these as long term trends, Europe's doing terrible.
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The US has had significant declines because these add up.
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And again, I don't know, going forward, it's going to be interesting to see how this how this
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happens because the cleaner and more technologically advanced to become the lower emissions in the
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bottom line is China is going to probably continue to go for decades before they peak in
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And of course, they're not doing it really squat when it comes to the UN Paris Agreement
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So it really is, as the UN climate official Eden Hofer had said years ago, this really is
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It's about redistribution of wealth and it's about empowering the United Nations.
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In the words of the other UN climate chief, Christina Figueres, the former chief, it is
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about a central transformation that will make life on planet Earth very different for everyone.
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They really don't care ultimately about the emissions.
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They care about who's in charge and who's who's centrally planning this.
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And by the way, since one last question, since you did mention China, that was the other finding
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I noticed together, China and India accounted for nearly half of the entire total global
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These two countries, yet these two countries, they always seem to be getting a pass from
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Yeah, not only do they get a pass, but China will set up windmills in cities that turn into
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ghost towns of all these windmills that no one uses, but they get all this credit.
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I don't begrudge them because in terms of their emissions, because they need massive
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And they're going to continue this way for a long time to come because they're in dire
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poverty, particularly throughout Asia and all these in the developing world.
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The immorality comes here where the developing world, white, wealthy Westerners are telling
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people of color in Africa and Asia, South America that they can't develop the way we
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climate chief was touting solar panels on huts made of dung as a way for people to have,
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you know, energy instead of actually touting real coal power or nuclear or gas to come
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in there and actually give them infrastructure and clean up their rivers and clean up the air
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they breathe so they don't have to burn wood and dung and huts made of dung.
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So this is, you know, it's something where we should applaud what China is doing.
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China is about 1880 with the United States and the Industrial Revolution.
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And then they'll eventually stabilize, clean up their air, and eventually their emissions
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But I do begrudge all these greens out there trying to tout China as the green energy role
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model when they're building coal plant after coal plant on a weekly basis.
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Yeah, you know, and I'll leave it at that, Mark.
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It reminds me, last month in Toronto, we had the annual naked bicycle ride.
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And the ostensible policy reason for this was it was a protest against big oil.
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One is that all these bicycles, well, they were manufactured in China, which meant they
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had to be shipped over here, and it wasn't dilithium crystals powering the ships or the
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And it's really nice to do a naked bike ride in Toronto when it's plus 30 in June and not
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minus 30 in January, where they would need all those polycarbonate materials that they
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So the hypocrisy and the delusion is off the charts.
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I guess that's where I was getting with that anecdote.
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But, Mark, thank you so much for weighing in to make sense of this.
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More of the Ezreal event show to come right after this.
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Well, lots of comments on my video about the University of Wyoming getting slammed by the
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usual PC suspects for their new marketing slogan, namely, the world needs more cowboys.
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Apparently, the world needs more cowboys is not inclusive enough, and therefore, that apparently
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Well, today, it's bovine management personnel and First Nations peoples.
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Or is it devolve when it comes to what is and is not acceptable in 2018?
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And who knew that cowboys is the new C word, at least according to all the progressives
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Hey, forget about the controversy over the Washington Redskins nickname and logo.
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Maybe it will be the NFL's Dallas-based franchise that will have to change its name soon.
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And Maurice writes, I've met many cowboys in my life.
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Every single one of them has been sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, Islamophobic, even the black
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To take the boy out of cowboy, just like removing man from mankind.
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Maybe if we were to refer to cowboys as cow people, then such a gender neutral term would
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lead to more sensitivity and more inclusive behavior.
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One thing is for certain, Justin Trudeau would surely approve of that rebranding.
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And Lee writes, I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but after 24 years of living in Calgary, I can
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easily think of a hundred or more stampede rodeo competitors who were Aboriginal or black
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And of course, some of them won the championship.
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Oh yes, the truth can be so inconvenient sometimes.
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Yes, Lee, I have seen those types of cow people too.
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Do you think that any progressive would be caught dead at a rodeo, an event that actually celebrates
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Looney leftists tend to stay cocooned in their safe spaces, tucked away in their ivory towers,
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In the meantime, let's just hope the University of Wyoming sticks to its guns and resists the
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That would be the cowboy way of doing things after all.
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Well, folks, thanks so much for tuning in to the Ezra on the Vent Show.
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And I will see you here tomorrow night, same time, same channel.