Rebel News Podcast - July 14, 2018


Why I'm going to London to cover Tommy Robinson's appeal


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

187.92622

Word Count

8,267

Sentence Count

604

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary

Tommy Robinson is finally getting a proper appeal in court in London on July 18th, and I'm going to cover it. I thought I d tell you why I m going, and what I think about it, and why I still care.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, I'm off to London to cover Tommy Robinson's appeal.
00:00:03.740 I'll tell you why.
00:00:04.900 It's July 13th and you're watching The Ezra LeVance Show.
00:00:12.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:16.740 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:20.460 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.
00:00:23.800 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it
00:00:27.400 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:30.000 Our former reporter Tommy Robinson is finally getting a proper appeal in court in London
00:00:39.360 on July 18th.
00:00:41.140 I'm going to go over there to cover it.
00:00:43.200 I'm not leaving just yet.
00:00:44.220 I'll still be here in Canada early next week.
00:00:46.600 But I thought I'd tell you why I'm going to go and what I think about it
00:00:50.620 and what I think it's about and why I still care,
00:00:52.900 even though Tommy left our company months ago to go independent.
00:00:55.780 As you know, Tommy was reporting live outside a courthouse in Leeds in the north of England
00:01:01.900 on May 25th outside a trial where 27 men and two women were being prosecuted
00:01:08.100 for running a rape gang targeting British girls as young as 11 years old.
00:01:14.080 These rape gangs are almost always Muslim, usually Pakistani Muslim,
00:01:18.140 and the victims are almost always indigenous white girls.
00:01:22.100 In Britain, sometimes Sikh girls too.
00:01:25.820 These rape gangs work systematically.
00:01:27.700 It's not rape as we know it in Canada where a mugger drags a woman into a back alley.
00:01:31.520 It's tricking and trapping, targeting children as young as 11 in the case of Leeds,
00:01:36.300 offering them candy, offering them soda pop, cigarettes, liquor, even cash,
00:01:42.280 and then extorting them, give a teenage girl a drink of liquor,
00:01:45.540 and then threaten to tell their mother they've been drinking unless they kiss the men
00:01:50.960 and then threaten to show a picture of that kiss unless they have sex with the men
00:01:55.040 and then threaten to burn down their family house unless they continue to do so.
00:01:58.940 So it's called grooming, but that's not the right word because that sounds proper and pleasant.
00:02:03.460 This is extortion and entrapment and psychological manipulation and predation.
00:02:08.040 It's men hunting together as a wolf pack, hunting little lambs together,
00:02:12.420 frightening them, using the girls' own kindness and trust and love for their families against them.
00:02:17.800 So these rapes, they don't just happen once.
00:02:20.020 Once these girls are trapped, they're raped again and again,
00:02:22.980 often many times in the night by a gang of men.
00:02:25.360 The girls are trapped and they are passed around.
00:02:27.000 It's Islamic in its character.
00:02:29.140 The defendants in trials often justify it on racial and religious grounds.
00:02:34.080 The British girls are targeted because they're infidels.
00:02:37.180 And the Muslim prophet Muhammad himself said you can take infidel women as rape slaves.
00:02:42.480 It's why ISIS did so.
00:02:44.300 It's Islamic in character, which is why the police, the prosecutors, the politicians,
00:02:48.220 the press, the social workers, hospital workers, everyone in the establishment is so afraid to talk about it
00:02:52.840 because they're more afraid of themselves being called racist than they are afraid of some lower class girls being raped on an industrial scale.
00:03:02.040 1,400 girls at least in the small city of Rotherham, UK.
00:03:06.460 There's only a quarter million citizens in Rotherham.
00:03:08.860 1,400 girls raped.
00:03:11.180 That is a measurable percentage and everyone knew.
00:03:14.340 But no one spoke up for years so afraid they were about being called Islamophobic.
00:03:20.000 That's what Tommy's against.
00:03:21.600 Not just the Islamification of the UK in general, but the Islamic mass rape of British girls.
00:03:28.300 Children.
00:03:29.360 Almost all of them are kids.
00:03:30.400 It's horrific.
00:03:30.980 These are, there are estimates that as many as one million British women and girls have been raped.
00:03:36.140 A million.
00:03:36.780 And we'll never know because the police and politicians and the press would never tell us the statistics because there would be riots.
00:03:45.160 Tommy started the EDL, the English Defense League, in response to this.
00:03:48.960 In part, he was called racist and far right.
00:03:50.700 He's neither.
00:03:51.780 Most of Tommy's people are actually leftists.
00:03:54.360 They all vote labor.
00:03:55.500 They aren't racist.
00:03:57.360 Tommy's friends include other minorities, like I say, including Sikh activists who want to stop the Muslim rape gangs targeting Sikh girls.
00:04:04.880 But it was easier for the fancy people to write off Tommy as a lout, a soccer hooligan, as they write off all blue-collar working-class Brits that way.
00:04:12.640 It's not the rich girls, the connected girls, getting raped in Rotherham.
00:04:15.720 It's the poor girls.
00:04:17.040 Nobody's nothing, says the singer Morrissey would say.
00:04:20.680 So Tommy was against that, and he was reporting on a rape gang in Leeds, 29 accused, including two Muslim women who helped set up this extortion system.
00:04:30.100 And then police swept down to arrest Tommy.
00:04:33.160 This is free speech.
00:04:44.420 This is where we're at.
00:04:45.740 You're not even allowed to.
00:04:46.860 Look at this.
00:04:47.640 Look how many people.
00:04:48.380 Do you know when you do this?
00:04:51.500 More people.
00:04:52.840 More people are going to watch this now than ever.
00:05:01.080 This is ridiculous, lads.
00:05:02.000 Do you feel right what you're doing here?
00:05:03.620 I haven't said a word.
00:05:04.740 In fact, someone laid their hand and assaulted me outside court.
00:05:07.380 Other people have sworeed me and threatened me about my mother, and here I am being arrested for saying nothing.
00:05:12.180 I'm threatened to behead me.
00:05:13.260 I've done nothing.
00:05:14.460 What are they arresting you for, Tommy?
00:05:15.460 A breach of the peace.
00:05:16.560 Apparently I'm inciting on my video.
00:05:18.900 Can you please, George, get me a solicitor.
00:05:21.240 Yeah.
00:05:21.600 Because I'm there.
00:05:22.280 Because I've got this.
00:05:22.960 You don't know.
00:05:23.300 I want us to spend a sentence.
00:05:24.440 You say that.
00:05:25.640 Yeah, that's actually done nothing wrong.
00:05:27.320 You can start anything like that.
00:05:28.780 Let's see.
00:05:29.240 Police said he was causing a disturbance.
00:05:32.400 He was not.
00:05:33.420 He was by himself on the street, only with a couple of friends, talking into a cell phone camera that was broadcasting on his Facebook page.
00:05:39.920 It was not a disturbance.
00:05:41.180 He was not breaching the peace.
00:05:42.800 He was not on the property of the court.
00:05:44.640 He did not call the accused rapists rapists.
00:05:47.500 He called them accused rapists, alleged rapists.
00:05:50.300 And when he read out the names of the accused, he did so by reading from the British government's own website.
00:05:55.460 The state broadcaster, the BBC, which to this day lists the names of the accused.
00:05:59.580 Tommy did not read anything from the trial itself.
00:06:02.360 He did not attend the trial.
00:06:03.680 He couldn't have violated any court publication ban.
00:06:06.160 He didn't know what had happened in court to violate a ban.
00:06:08.520 And he didn't claim to know.
00:06:09.880 He simply stood outside the court for 70 minutes and talked about the issues much the same way as I'm doing right now.
00:06:15.900 And yet he was scooped up, arrested by seven police.
00:06:18.720 You saw it prosecuted for contempt of court, convicted in less than 15 minutes and sentenced to 13 months in prison.
00:06:24.760 Oh, and then a publication ban was put on top of it to boot.
00:06:28.840 The 13 months was absurd, but it was allegedly justified in that Tommy had been convicted of contempt of court a year ago in Canterbury for doing much the same reporting on a rape gang.
00:06:37.540 That's when Tommy worked for us.
00:06:39.000 But I knew because of that that this was an absurd hearing in a matter of minutes without Tommy having the ability to retain or instruct effective counsel.
00:06:46.440 It all happened.
00:06:47.040 And so suddenly, why, why, and why such an absurdly long sentence?
00:06:50.700 And why was Tommy then moved from his prison in Hull, which was probably the safest prison in the UK for him to be in, in terms of the lack of Muslim gangs?
00:06:59.320 Why was he moved from there to the prison in Onley, which is dominated by violent Muslim gangs?
00:07:04.200 So much so that Tommy requested the warden put him in solitary confinement for his own safety.
00:07:09.100 He's held in a cell for 23 and a half hours a day by himself.
00:07:12.120 You cannot live that way, not for one month, let alone 13.
00:07:15.460 Why was he moved to Onley prison?
00:07:17.420 What was the reason?
00:07:19.340 Why was the sentence 13 months to begin with?
00:07:22.140 What exactly did he do wrong?
00:07:23.800 I watched the video.
00:07:25.100 Why did it all have to happen so quickly in his trial?
00:07:27.400 And why the publication ban?
00:07:28.640 Why, why, why?
00:07:30.020 Those are interesting questions.
00:07:31.400 And like him or hate him, Tommy Robinson is an interesting person.
00:07:34.900 So why the lack of curiosity from all the media in the world, including Fleet Street, in some ways the most competitive newspaper business in the English language.
00:07:43.620 Why no inquiries?
00:07:44.700 Why no investigations?
00:07:45.740 It's right there in the UK.
00:07:46.900 Why was the media happy to have him sentenced and thrown away?
00:07:51.000 Why not a peep from Amnesty International?
00:07:53.360 Why not a word from Reporters Without Borders, from the rest of the civil liberty set?
00:07:57.200 Why not a word from any elected politician in all of the UK, except for one UKIP peer from the House of Lords and the UKIP leader himself in the European Parliament?
00:08:06.500 Why no one else?
00:08:08.280 There was a rally in London and Geert Wilders attended to speak.
00:08:12.080 Wonderful.
00:08:12.480 A Dutch politician pushing for freedom in London.
00:08:14.980 Well, tomorrow there is another rally in London and Wilders was again set to speak.
00:08:19.200 But look at this news.
00:08:20.480 Wilders announced he was going to go.
00:08:22.320 But then the British Foreign Office told the Dutch government that they not only would not provide security for Wilders, as they normally do as a diplomatic courtesy,
00:08:30.740 but they would ban the Dutch diplomatic police from escorting Wilders, as they usually do.
00:08:36.060 Now, Wilders is a target for terrorist attacks, just like Salman Rushdie is.
00:08:41.080 So the British government was absolutely saying, we don't have the courage or honesty to ban you.
00:08:45.140 So we'll pretend we're not banning you, but we will turn a walk on a British street for a rally into a suicide terrorist trap for you,
00:08:53.800 so you'll have to back away, Geert Wilders.
00:08:55.800 It's cowardly.
00:08:56.500 It's outrageous.
00:08:57.440 The UK allows foreign tyrants to visit London all the time, including recently the King of Saudi Arabia.
00:09:02.140 He's allowed bodyguards, but not the democratic leader, Geert Wilders,
00:09:05.720 because it's part of the unethical, immoral war against Tommy Robinson.
00:09:09.180 But we have news.
00:09:11.340 The news is that on July 18th, there will finally be an appeal of the sentence.
00:09:15.920 It's too late for my liking.
00:09:17.940 It's too slow.
00:09:18.600 It should have happened months ago.
00:09:20.860 It should never have been necessary.
00:09:22.180 But here it is, July 18th, and it's incredible.
00:09:25.580 It's a three-judge panel.
00:09:27.880 And the judge presiding is Lord Justice Ian Burnett,
00:09:31.180 the Lord Chief Justice of all of England and Wales, the top judge in the entire country.
00:09:35.640 It would be like having the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States hear a case in the U.S.
00:09:40.400 Amazing.
00:09:40.980 Top judge.
00:09:41.680 Top court.
00:09:42.360 I think there's a real chance things will be aired out.
00:09:44.700 All those questions I listed earlier.
00:09:46.480 I know there might be some conspiracy theorists who, with some justification,
00:09:50.720 point to every other stitch-up so far for Tommy, every other rigged rule,
00:09:54.620 every other time he was framed, even the latest scandal with the Geert Wilders security thing.
00:09:58.580 But I am hopeful enough, I still believe in the UK enough,
00:10:02.100 to think it's finally, finally going to be a fair hearing in a fair court.
00:10:07.500 And Tommy, through his family, has sent word from prison to specifically ask me to go to London to report on it.
00:10:14.500 They contacted me to tell me that Tommy has requested that, and I get it.
00:10:18.720 I get why, because Tommy knows me from when we worked together,
00:10:21.640 and he knows I've been helping with his crowdfunding this past month.
00:10:24.540 He authorized it.
00:10:25.480 But more than that, he knows that there is no mainstream media in the entire UK
00:10:28.740 who are trustworthy on this file.
00:10:30.300 None. Maybe one reporter here or there, but none of the newspapers,
00:10:33.800 none of the TV stations will be positive or fair to him.
00:10:36.780 None. They all despise Tommy.
00:10:38.080 And, of course, they despise so many of their own readers and viewers, too.
00:10:41.080 But they are all in collusion to cover up what Tommy was uncovering.
00:10:44.700 And then there's the class thing, too.
00:10:46.260 They despise an uppity, working-class bloke like Tommy Robinson,
00:10:49.880 who is speaking for his people when the establishment won't.
00:10:52.540 Doesn't he know his place?
00:10:54.760 And they hate that Tommy is a hero to his people, to millions of them,
00:10:58.000 so they hate that, so they attack him, the BBC, the tabloids, even the prestige press.
00:11:03.220 So Tommy asked me to go to report because he knows the media will all lie about him.
00:11:07.680 Of course they will. They always do.
00:11:09.260 And though there might be some citizen journalists there,
00:11:11.340 or even a handful of journalists from places like Breitbart, London,
00:11:14.500 or a few niche publications,
00:11:16.640 we at The Rebel will have more reach than they do.
00:11:19.280 We have more viewers. We'll get the word out.
00:11:20.960 So I accepted his invitation, and I'll be flying out there next week.
00:11:25.040 And I really think that I'm going to cover the appeal of a political prisoner.
00:11:28.760 I think that's what Tommy is. This wasn't a crime, what he did.
00:11:31.580 A contempt of court, as Tommy was convicted, is not a crime.
00:11:34.920 And Tommy obviously didn't hurt anyone.
00:11:36.400 There was no criminal trial of Tommy.
00:11:38.620 He's in solitary confinement.
00:11:40.520 They'll let that sink in.
00:11:41.480 Tommy is not convicted of a crime,
00:11:43.420 and yet he's been in solitary confinement for almost two months now.
00:11:47.140 That's more than any murderer would get in the hole, as they call it, in prison.
00:11:51.300 And imagine if he actually had to serve all 13 months,
00:11:53.820 as the judge demanded, in solitary.
00:11:55.980 This is so wrong.
00:11:57.400 I don't know what we will find out at the appeal.
00:11:59.500 We will find out what we will find out.
00:12:01.020 And I will be there.
00:12:01.680 I will file a video report before and after court
00:12:05.100 and at noon hour and every coffee break, whatever.
00:12:09.520 And if it's allowed, I'll report on Twitter
00:12:11.360 during the hearing itself from the courtroom.
00:12:13.300 I'll have to check to make sure that's allowed.
00:12:15.220 I don't want to be held in contempt myself.
00:12:17.160 So that's what I'm going to do.
00:12:18.620 Because Tommy is, you know, he's being silenced.
00:12:23.480 Like the girls of Rotherham were silenced.
00:12:26.340 Like Herod Wilders is being silenced.
00:12:28.460 Maybe like we will be silenced one day.
00:12:31.020 But for now, I'm going there to report.
00:12:32.980 And what can you do?
00:12:33.800 Well, I have three specific suggestions.
00:12:36.040 Number one, did you know you can send Tommy a letter?
00:12:39.100 You can do that.
00:12:39.760 Now, beneath this video,
00:12:40.960 we will have the instructions on how to send Tommy an email in prison.
00:12:44.780 And I know that he gets them delivered to his cell.
00:12:47.380 His wife told me.
00:12:48.940 He likes these letters, you can imagine,
00:12:50.680 because otherwise he would go mad
00:12:52.020 in that tiny little cell, 23 and a half hours a day.
00:12:56.260 You go to emailaprisoner.com.
00:12:59.020 That's not our website.
00:12:59.980 That's a company that specializes in writing to prisoners.
00:13:02.340 And you enter his proper legal name and prison name and prisoner number.
00:13:06.720 All that info is below this video.
00:13:09.260 Tommy loves the letters and you can wish him well.
00:13:12.280 He can't write back, but he reads what he gets.
00:13:15.580 That's the first thing.
00:13:16.640 Send him a letter just to say hi,
00:13:18.420 just to give him something to do for 23 and a half hours a day.
00:13:22.240 Second, if you haven't already, chip into his legal defense fund.
00:13:25.240 That's at savetommy.com.
00:13:27.460 100% of those funds go to his lawyer
00:13:29.340 and 100% of the surplus goes to his family.
00:13:33.360 The third thing, and this is a fun thing,
00:13:35.700 and it's a free thing,
00:13:37.140 and I've done it myself,
00:13:39.160 is download a Tommy Robinson ringtone for your smartphone.
00:13:42.500 Now, I know that sounds silly,
00:13:43.640 but it is fun and it is a conversation starter
00:13:46.820 and it's free.
00:13:47.720 And if you're wondering what the ringtone is,
00:13:49.140 it's this sound.
00:13:50.060 Come on, Tommy!
00:13:52.680 Come on, Tommy!
00:13:54.240 Come on, Tommy!
00:13:55.660 Come on, Tommy!
00:13:56.680 Come on, Tommy!
00:13:57.940 Tommy!
00:13:59.100 Come on, Tommy!
00:14:00.660 Come on, Tommy!
00:14:01.100 Come on, Tommy!
00:14:02.220 We've taken that audio of that chant,
00:14:04.260 oh, Tommy, Tommy,
00:14:05.240 and we've made a ringtone for your phone.
00:14:06.940 Go to tommyringtone.com
00:14:09.140 and you can download it for free
00:14:10.640 and we have some very easy-to-follow video instructions
00:14:13.720 for how to get your phone,
00:14:16.400 when someone phones you,
00:14:17.720 it rings,
00:14:18.460 it plays that sound as your ringtone.
00:14:19.780 I had to follow those video instructions.
00:14:21.280 I didn't know how to do it.
00:14:22.180 But if I can figure it out,
00:14:23.080 you can figure it out.
00:14:24.760 And the fourth thing you can do,
00:14:27.780 and it would be a good favor to me,
00:14:29.360 Tommy wants me to go to London
00:14:30.580 and I will go to London,
00:14:31.560 but he told me with less than a week's notice,
00:14:33.560 so the airfare was very expensive
00:14:35.160 and the hotel rooms were very expensive.
00:14:37.520 It was more than $2,500, I'm afraid to say,
00:14:40.160 even though I booked economically on Expedia.
00:14:42.440 Now, I don't want to take money
00:14:43.540 from Tommy's official crowdfunding budget
00:14:45.380 for his lawyers, for his family for that,
00:14:47.260 so I am not going to.
00:14:48.720 I've set up a special crowdfund,
00:14:50.540 a different one,
00:14:51.260 just to get me over there
00:14:52.560 to report on the appeal.
00:14:54.180 And it's called TommyTrial.com.
00:14:56.840 We've got a lot of websites, don't we?
00:14:58.800 TommyTrial.com.
00:15:00.520 If you can help me cover my flight and hotel,
00:15:02.180 I'd be very grateful.
00:15:02.960 So that's my report.
00:15:04.460 Now, I know some people,
00:15:05.400 even around here,
00:15:06.020 say,
00:15:06.260 why are you so obsessed with Tommy Robinson?
00:15:09.240 Well, I'm not really.
00:15:10.620 I mean, he's an ex-employee
00:15:12.280 and he's a friend,
00:15:12.980 not a close friend,
00:15:13.600 but we're friends enough.
00:15:15.100 But that's not why.
00:15:16.120 It's because Tommy is a champion
00:15:19.140 for those without a voice,
00:15:20.660 for those without a friend.
00:15:21.800 He's the last lion in the United Kingdom,
00:15:24.240 the last man of courage,
00:15:25.520 at least on this file.
00:15:27.000 There are a few other great Brits.
00:15:28.380 I really like that Nigel Farage
00:15:29.700 who fought for Brexit, don't you?
00:15:31.880 I like a lot of Brits,
00:15:32.740 but no one fights for the people like Tommy,
00:15:35.240 especially against this issue,
00:15:37.200 the Islamification of the UK,
00:15:38.660 the Muslim rape gangs.
00:15:39.780 Everyone else is too afraid,
00:15:40.720 too afraid of being killed,
00:15:41.920 too afraid of being called racist.
00:15:44.040 Tommy fights.
00:15:45.160 I'm actually not doing this
00:15:45.900 for Tommy as a person.
00:15:46.820 I mean, I like him well enough
00:15:47.780 and I like his family well enough.
00:15:49.040 We're chums.
00:15:49.980 But that's not why I'm going to London.
00:15:51.580 I'm going there for the larger cause
00:15:53.140 that Tommy champions
00:15:54.460 for all those young girls
00:15:56.100 he stands up for.
00:15:57.760 It's for what Tommy does,
00:15:59.020 not for who Tommy is
00:16:00.080 that motivates us.
00:16:02.620 When Tommy's out of prison,
00:16:03.820 when he's safe and sound,
00:16:04.960 I'll take a break from Tommy.
00:16:06.320 He's more than a handful,
00:16:07.420 I can tell you,
00:16:08.100 from the year I worked with him.
00:16:09.200 My mission is narrow.
00:16:10.640 Crowdfund his lawyers
00:16:11.480 and go to London
00:16:12.460 to report on his appeal.
00:16:13.820 And once he's out of jail,
00:16:14.760 I'll give him a big handshake,
00:16:16.380 might even give him a hug,
00:16:17.540 I'll wish him well,
00:16:18.420 and then I'm going to come back
00:16:19.180 to Canada.
00:16:20.140 And I don't want him
00:16:21.000 to work for us again
00:16:22.500 in the rebel.
00:16:23.100 He's too much of a stubborn mule,
00:16:24.820 as you can imagine,
00:16:25.920 which is exactly why
00:16:26.920 he's perfect to fight
00:16:27.860 for the future of the UK.
00:16:29.600 We'll always be friends with him
00:16:30.840 and we'll support him
00:16:31.620 from afar.
00:16:32.940 And God forbid
00:16:33.700 he gets into a jam again,
00:16:35.460 we will be there for him,
00:16:36.500 but we hope that doesn't happen.
00:16:38.840 We'll be there for him,
00:16:39.940 not because he's such a character,
00:16:41.100 even though he is.
00:16:42.680 Not because he's a lovable rascal,
00:16:44.300 though he is,
00:16:44.840 but because without him
00:16:46.940 and his fight,
00:16:48.200 I feel like the lights
00:16:49.280 are going out
00:16:50.000 in the United Kingdom
00:16:50.920 and that's just not something
00:16:53.000 any of us want to see.
00:16:54.840 If you can help me
00:16:55.500 get to London next week,
00:16:56.820 please do go to
00:16:57.760 TommyTrial.com.
00:16:58.920 In any event,
00:16:59.780 I promise you not only
00:17:00.560 the best coverage
00:17:01.260 of the appeal,
00:17:01.900 but frankly,
00:17:02.840 the only real coverage
00:17:04.500 of his appeal
00:17:05.300 that isn't a pack of lies
00:17:06.720 for the establishment.
00:17:09.080 Stay with us for more.
00:17:11.940 I'm happy to say today
00:17:28.080 the CEO
00:17:29.580 and the board of Hydro One,
00:17:31.660 they're gone,
00:17:32.840 they're done.
00:17:34.040 They're done.
00:17:35.240 We're going to turn
00:17:35.820 a new corner.
00:17:37.060 We're going to make sure
00:17:37.940 we keep with our promise
00:17:39.660 of reducing hydro rates
00:17:40.840 by 12%,
00:17:41.800 making our businesses
00:17:43.740 more competitive,
00:17:45.620 making sure
00:17:46.360 that we take the burden
00:17:48.000 off the people of Ontario
00:17:50.080 when it comes
00:17:50.880 to their hydro bills.
00:17:52.120 Well, there you have it.
00:17:53.320 The new Premier of Ontario,
00:17:54.900 Doug Ford,
00:17:55.520 keeping a huge promise.
00:17:57.840 I mean,
00:17:57.980 I suppose $6 million
00:17:59.300 is not enormous
00:18:00.500 in the scope
00:18:01.360 of the entire budget,
00:18:02.440 but by God,
00:18:03.320 it was symbolic.
00:18:03.660 The president
00:18:05.620 of a public utility
00:18:07.280 called Hydro One
00:18:08.600 made almost $6.2 million
00:18:12.280 last year,
00:18:13.680 up $1.7 million
00:18:15.000 from the year before.
00:18:16.480 I mean,
00:18:16.600 I guess he was doing
00:18:17.280 that great a job
00:18:18.020 even though Ontarians
00:18:18.880 pay some of the highest
00:18:20.360 electricity prices
00:18:21.680 in the entire province.
00:18:22.860 Well,
00:18:23.060 how did he manage to do it?
00:18:25.120 How did he get
00:18:25.880 the CEO
00:18:26.840 and the whole board
00:18:28.000 to go away
00:18:28.600 without the gazillion dollars
00:18:31.360 worth of penalties
00:18:32.420 that people thought
00:18:34.000 he would be entitled to?
00:18:35.280 Joining us now
00:18:35.920 to help us unravel
00:18:37.500 this mystery
00:18:38.260 is our friend Jerry Agar.
00:18:39.460 He's the host
00:18:39.960 of News Talk 1010
00:18:42.020 weekdays from 9 to 12
00:18:43.300 in Toronto.
00:18:44.260 Jerry,
00:18:44.420 it's great to see you again.
00:18:45.460 Thanks for coming on the show.
00:18:47.140 Thanks for having me, Ezra.
00:18:49.180 You know,
00:18:49.720 a lot of these boards
00:18:50.460 and agencies,
00:18:51.560 they really burrow
00:18:52.960 into the government.
00:18:54.000 They write these
00:18:54.520 sweetheart contracts,
00:18:56.300 termination clauses,
00:18:57.460 extremely luxurious
00:18:58.740 that if you want
00:18:59.340 to sack a guy,
00:19:00.680 you got to make him
00:19:01.300 a gazillionaire.
00:19:02.100 How did Doug Ford
00:19:03.260 manage to say goodbye
00:19:04.080 to the whole board
00:19:04.900 and the CEO
00:19:06.160 with just a fraction
00:19:07.800 of a fraction
00:19:08.440 of the severance
00:19:09.160 everyone thought
00:19:09.760 he'd have to pay?
00:19:11.160 Well,
00:19:11.660 that's actually
00:19:12.200 an open question
00:19:12.840 at the moment.
00:19:13.340 How exactly
00:19:13.820 did that happen?
00:19:14.640 And I'm going to theorize
00:19:15.440 on that in a moment,
00:19:16.340 but just in case
00:19:17.080 somebody is not familiar
00:19:18.560 with how this all transpired
00:19:20.260 over the last several years,
00:19:21.700 energy prices,
00:19:22.640 as you alluded to,
00:19:23.960 Ezra,
00:19:24.560 have been controversial
00:19:25.760 in Ontario
00:19:26.900 for quite some time
00:19:28.080 in a real election issue.
00:19:29.360 And then there were
00:19:30.620 several things
00:19:31.280 that made Hydro One
00:19:32.200 itself specifically
00:19:33.400 controversial.
00:19:34.240 One was that in order
00:19:35.600 to try and balance
00:19:36.420 a budget,
00:19:37.300 the Kathleen Wynne government
00:19:38.520 sold off part of Hydro One
00:19:40.520 to private entities.
00:19:42.280 So there was that.
00:19:43.660 And then there was
00:19:44.080 the $6 million compensation
00:19:45.520 for Mail Schmidt,
00:19:46.520 the CEO.
00:19:47.640 And Doug Ford,
00:19:48.680 as part of his campaign,
00:19:49.680 started referring to him
00:19:50.760 as the $6 million man
00:19:52.680 and said he's gone
00:19:53.840 day one.
00:19:55.300 And all kinds of newspaper
00:19:57.000 editorial writers
00:19:57.980 lectured Doug Ford
00:19:58.980 that maybe he didn't
00:19:59.660 understand how this worked.
00:20:01.020 He didn't have the legal
00:20:01.800 authority to do it.
00:20:03.020 If he did do it,
00:20:04.000 he'd have to give
00:20:04.880 Mail Schmidt
00:20:05.580 a 10 point something
00:20:07.000 million dollar
00:20:07.860 goodbye package.
00:20:09.780 And in fact,
00:20:10.820 the very morning
00:20:12.220 that this happened,
00:20:14.060 the Toronto Star
00:20:15.300 had written about,
00:20:16.460 oh, we thought on day one
00:20:18.060 he was going to get rid
00:20:18.840 of the $6 million man.
00:20:20.400 Well, at 445 day one,
00:20:22.380 the $6 million man
00:20:23.480 left with $400,000.
00:20:25.620 And the board has said
00:20:26.620 that they will all
00:20:27.600 leave as well.
00:20:28.660 Why would somebody leave
00:20:29.680 $10 million on the table?
00:20:31.340 I have no idea.
00:20:32.800 But the rich aren't
00:20:33.800 like the rest of us.
00:20:34.780 And maybe he just decided,
00:20:36.940 Ezra, you know,
00:20:38.040 if that's what you think of me,
00:20:39.680 I'm out of here.
00:20:40.760 I don't have to deal with this.
00:20:42.040 I have millions
00:20:42.500 in the bank anyway.
00:20:43.900 Yeah.
00:20:44.260 And of course,
00:20:46.000 when you're making
00:20:46.960 that kind of dough,
00:20:47.900 you've got a lot of money
00:20:48.940 for lawyers,
00:20:49.500 but no one has more money
00:20:50.760 for lawyers
00:20:51.360 than the premier
00:20:52.580 of the province.
00:20:53.440 He's got the whole
00:20:53.980 Justice Department.
00:20:55.300 So it could have been
00:20:56.040 very lengthy litigation
00:20:57.400 and it could have been brutal.
00:20:59.320 You're right.
00:20:59.680 We may never know.
00:21:01.480 But if his contract
00:21:03.160 called for a $10.7 million
00:21:04.940 severance
00:21:05.620 and he walked away
00:21:06.360 with $400,000,
00:21:07.800 I mean, listen,
00:21:08.300 $400,000,
00:21:09.160 that's still a mighty
00:21:10.120 fine severance.
00:21:11.620 But it's a triviality
00:21:13.480 compared to what
00:21:14.160 he had on paper.
00:21:15.300 I have to say,
00:21:16.860 Jerry,
00:21:17.180 between this
00:21:17.880 and the repeal
00:21:18.740 of the controversial
00:21:20.120 child sex ed curriculum
00:21:22.040 and the scrapping
00:21:24.580 of the cap and trade
00:21:25.520 and coming out
00:21:26.120 against the carbon tax,
00:21:27.520 I can't recall
00:21:28.980 a premier
00:21:29.560 of any province,
00:21:31.260 let alone Ontario,
00:21:32.780 doing so much
00:21:34.020 so quickly.
00:21:35.520 And it's the height
00:21:36.300 of summer,
00:21:36.860 by the way,
00:21:37.400 when normally
00:21:38.480 politicians and bureaucrats
00:21:39.900 are sort of in idle mode
00:21:41.800 or barbecue circuit mode.
00:21:43.840 Jerry,
00:21:44.200 this is very impressive
00:21:45.220 to me.
00:21:45.620 I was a fan
00:21:46.160 to begin with,
00:21:46.760 but I was worried.
00:21:48.020 I'm a super fan now.
00:21:50.040 What do you think?
00:21:51.760 Well,
00:21:52.160 I think it's incredible
00:21:52.960 they've moved this quickly
00:21:53.900 and they're also doing things
00:21:55.340 that, of course,
00:21:56.200 their detractors said
00:21:57.360 they couldn't do.
00:21:58.940 When you said
00:21:59.600 you couldn't recall
00:22:00.440 somebody who's done that,
00:22:01.540 what came to mind for me
00:22:02.720 was the late brother
00:22:04.160 of the now premier
00:22:05.080 and that's the former mayor,
00:22:06.740 Rob Ford,
00:22:07.420 when everybody said
00:22:08.620 he couldn't contract out garbage,
00:22:10.560 that it was a city hall job
00:22:12.740 and he fairly quickly
00:22:14.560 got that done
00:22:15.340 and he did a whole list
00:22:16.400 of other things,
00:22:17.740 getting contracts
00:22:18.740 with the unions
00:22:19.580 without breaking the bank,
00:22:21.280 without allowing them
00:22:22.440 to strike during
00:22:23.140 the Pan Am games,
00:22:24.140 a whole bunch of stuff
00:22:24.960 that people thought
00:22:26.020 couldn't be done.
00:22:27.180 So maybe, Ezra,
00:22:28.800 the Toronto Star
00:22:29.720 editorial board
00:22:30.460 should start to catch on.
00:22:31.460 The Fords aren't as stupid
00:22:32.260 as the board thinks they are.
00:22:33.680 Yeah.
00:22:34.360 You know,
00:22:34.580 and there's also something
00:22:35.320 to be said about
00:22:36.180 having experience in business
00:22:37.800 where if you've got
00:22:39.460 to make a cut,
00:22:40.160 you just have to do it.
00:22:41.280 There's no wiggle room.
00:22:42.440 Unlike a tax collector,
00:22:44.420 you can't just order
00:22:45.560 more revenues.
00:22:47.340 A lot of politicians
00:22:48.520 these days
00:22:49.160 are sort of lifers.
00:22:50.580 They've either been
00:22:51.160 in politics their whole lives
00:22:52.300 or they've only worked
00:22:53.180 in other government institutions.
00:22:54.500 I think of Justin Trudeau's cabinet.
00:22:56.740 I really don't think
00:22:57.720 there's any private sector experience.
00:22:59.380 I mean,
00:22:59.500 I guess you could say
00:23:00.300 Bill Morneau,
00:23:01.200 but he sort of inherited that.
00:23:03.160 Whereas Doug Ford,
00:23:04.960 he actually had to
00:23:06.560 sweat a payroll.
00:23:07.840 He actually had to look
00:23:09.100 at his bank balance
00:23:09.980 and the company,
00:23:10.520 all the things
00:23:13.240 a private sector guy
00:23:14.160 has to do.
00:23:14.900 There's something to be said
00:23:16.200 about having done something
00:23:17.780 before getting into politics,
00:23:19.260 don't you think?
00:23:20.700 Yeah, I do.
00:23:21.480 And in case somebody
00:23:22.700 hears you say
00:23:23.520 Bill Morneau inherited that
00:23:24.660 and thinks that Doug Ford
00:23:26.060 inherited Deco Labels,
00:23:27.600 the company that is
00:23:28.520 their family fortune,
00:23:30.020 he did inherit that company
00:23:31.480 to an extent,
00:23:32.220 but a much smaller version of it
00:23:33.720 and in fact did not inherit
00:23:35.340 the Chicago operation.
00:23:36.780 He flew down there one day
00:23:38.020 with his manager
00:23:39.380 just deciding
00:23:40.060 we're going to open up
00:23:40.860 in Chicago
00:23:41.740 and found a facility
00:23:42.700 and found some people
00:23:43.560 and greatly expanded
00:23:45.420 the business.
00:23:46.080 So that gives him
00:23:47.660 the real solid understanding
00:23:48.960 and managerial experience
00:23:50.420 that you were alluding to.
00:23:52.260 Yeah, I remember
00:23:52.940 during the campaign
00:23:53.720 when he said
00:23:54.280 he was going to scrap
00:23:54.980 the carbon tax
00:23:55.720 and all the fancy pants,
00:23:58.180 economists, pundits,
00:23:59.640 none of whom have ever
00:24:00.600 worked in the real world
00:24:01.440 said, well,
00:24:02.160 now you've got
00:24:02.740 a $2 billion hole
00:24:03.840 in the budget.
00:24:04.900 This is good.
00:24:05.360 And Doug Ford said,
00:24:06.680 don't tell me
00:24:08.360 we can't find
00:24:09.140 a few percent
00:24:10.000 of fat here.
00:24:11.460 And he said it
00:24:12.300 so naturally
00:24:13.100 because of course
00:24:14.060 anyone,
00:24:14.700 I mean, listen,
00:24:15.240 in our own family budgets,
00:24:16.860 if you had to tighten
00:24:18.280 the belt by 2%,
00:24:19.240 you could do it
00:24:20.080 and it wouldn't even
00:24:20.700 be that bad.
00:24:21.880 2%, what's that?
00:24:22.780 Like going out
00:24:23.300 to a restaurant
00:24:24.500 one fewer times
00:24:25.580 a month?
00:24:26.380 So I think
00:24:27.120 all these sacred cows,
00:24:29.620 you're talking about
00:24:30.220 things the Toronto Star
00:24:31.240 said could never be done.
00:24:33.060 All the fancy people
00:24:34.180 said would never be done.
00:24:35.600 And I guess
00:24:36.600 if that's the world
00:24:37.220 you come from,
00:24:37.880 you believe those things
00:24:38.940 as an article of faith.
00:24:40.140 I like Doug's
00:24:41.820 outsider-ness.
00:24:43.240 I like it.
00:24:44.280 And I just got to say,
00:24:45.500 I mean,
00:24:45.620 I know I'm fanboying again,
00:24:47.580 but Jerry,
00:24:48.480 this is so encouraging
00:24:49.780 compared to what
00:24:50.700 Ontario has been
00:24:51.640 subject to do
00:24:52.380 under Kathleen Wynne
00:24:53.340 and Dalton McGinty
00:24:54.460 before her.
00:24:55.140 It's such a change.
00:24:57.300 Well,
00:24:57.620 it's an absolute
00:24:58.860 different,
00:24:59.680 above-face,
00:25:00.680 180-degree way
00:25:02.020 of viewing what
00:25:02.740 government is supposed
00:25:03.460 to do
00:25:03.840 and what things
00:25:04.380 ought to cost.
00:25:05.080 When you say,
00:25:05.980 could you take 2%
00:25:06.900 out of your household budget?
00:25:08.360 Well,
00:25:08.720 most people could.
00:25:09.720 Some people might not
00:25:10.460 be able to
00:25:11.060 at the very bottom edge
00:25:12.000 of the income levels,
00:25:13.100 but most people could.
00:25:15.060 But it's laughable
00:25:15.920 to say that you
00:25:16.580 couldn't do that
00:25:17.140 in government.
00:25:17.720 In fact,
00:25:18.040 I remember the first time
00:25:19.300 Doug Ford started
00:25:20.360 to float that
00:25:21.060 and he was on my radio show
00:25:22.420 and I said to him,
00:25:24.060 how are you going
00:25:24.420 to fund this?
00:25:25.020 And he said,
00:25:25.800 do you think we could
00:25:26.520 find 2%
00:25:27.460 at Queens Park?
00:25:29.260 And I laughed
00:25:30.180 and then he said,
00:25:31.220 yeah,
00:25:31.500 yeah,
00:25:31.700 that's the normal reaction.
00:25:33.240 Yeah.
00:25:33.800 You know,
00:25:34.440 I want to make a comparison
00:25:35.580 and I know that Doug Ford
00:25:36.680 himself doesn't like this,
00:25:38.000 but I don't care.
00:25:39.780 I want to compare him
00:25:41.260 to Trump
00:25:41.700 in these three ways.
00:25:43.560 Number one,
00:25:44.060 he's got some
00:25:44.540 private business experience.
00:25:46.200 He's obviously not a tycoon,
00:25:47.840 a billionaire like Trump,
00:25:49.560 but he knows how to read
00:25:51.480 some financial statements
00:25:53.020 and he knows how
00:25:53.540 to make a decision.
00:25:54.260 Number two,
00:25:55.480 he's not hypersensitive
00:25:57.940 and hyper-conscious
00:25:58.940 of pleasing the media.
00:26:01.060 He sort of likes
00:26:01.940 to fight with them
00:26:02.660 from time to time.
00:26:04.040 And number three,
00:26:05.780 the fancy people
00:26:06.780 look down on him,
00:26:08.400 but folksy people
00:26:10.100 of different backgrounds
00:26:11.060 like him
00:26:11.760 and maybe even more
00:26:13.400 than Trump,
00:26:14.520 Doug Ford connects
00:26:15.480 to new Canadians,
00:26:16.720 to ethnic communities
00:26:17.700 that,
00:26:18.500 I don't know,
00:26:18.880 the Ford family
00:26:19.500 has always had
00:26:20.100 sort of a special bond there.
00:26:21.920 In those three ways,
00:26:23.100 I think that,
00:26:24.220 I know that Doug Ford
00:26:25.780 doesn't want to be
00:26:26.440 compared to Trump,
00:26:26.980 but I think he is
00:26:27.800 a Trump-like figure
00:26:28.900 and I think he's inspiring
00:26:30.660 people across Canada
00:26:31.860 that they don't have
00:26:32.460 to sit back
00:26:33.100 and consider being liberal
00:26:35.680 an inevitability.
00:26:36.880 What do you think of that?
00:26:38.260 Yeah,
00:26:38.680 I don't know
00:26:39.340 that Trump connects
00:26:40.160 with new Americans.
00:26:42.240 Not as much,
00:26:42.860 no,
00:26:43.060 not as much,
00:26:43.560 definitely.
00:26:44.020 No,
00:26:44.260 not so much.
00:26:44.960 In fact,
00:26:45.420 to emphasize on that,
00:26:46.560 you know very well,
00:26:47.840 Ezra,
00:26:48.240 that one of the knocks
00:26:49.140 the left tries to put
00:26:50.080 on the right
00:26:50.680 is that it's a white boy club
00:26:52.980 and we don't care
00:26:53.740 about the unfortunate
00:26:54.480 and we don't care
00:26:55.300 about minorities
00:26:56.140 and from Rob Ford
00:26:57.680 to Doug Ford,
00:26:58.680 those people should go
00:26:59.820 to any of the rallies
00:27:00.900 that the Fords would have
00:27:02.100 and it's now,
00:27:02.720 of course,
00:27:02.960 because Rob has passed on,
00:27:04.080 just Doug,
00:27:04.720 but go to those rallies
00:27:05.840 and see who's there.
00:27:07.540 The rainbow of colors
00:27:10.820 that shows up
00:27:11.660 and the cross-section
00:27:13.960 of economic means,
00:27:16.060 it's unbelievable.
00:27:17.080 It's truly Canada.
00:27:18.260 It's truly Toronto.
00:27:19.500 Yeah,
00:27:19.680 much more so
00:27:20.420 than the stale old NDP.
00:27:22.460 You're right.
00:27:22.720 I mean,
00:27:23.000 I think Trump
00:27:24.080 does better
00:27:24.880 amongst minorities
00:27:26.040 than the media
00:27:26.480 gives him credit for,
00:27:27.760 but certainly not
00:27:28.860 in the massive numbers
00:27:29.880 that the Fords,
00:27:31.260 Doug Ford
00:27:31.780 and his late brother Rob did.
00:27:33.180 Well,
00:27:33.520 Jerry,
00:27:33.820 I tell you,
00:27:34.840 you know,
00:27:35.340 there's a saying,
00:27:36.000 I think it's in the Bible,
00:27:36.920 put not your trust in princes
00:27:38.320 and you never want
00:27:39.640 to be too enthralled
00:27:42.300 by a politician
00:27:43.140 because you're just
00:27:43.920 setting yourself up
00:27:44.780 for disappointment,
00:27:45.760 but so far,
00:27:47.340 so great
00:27:48.180 and I got to say,
00:27:49.520 I was getting to worry
00:27:51.080 that Ontario
00:27:51.740 had accepted
00:27:52.740 its have-not status,
00:27:54.740 accepted a slow decline
00:27:56.540 like, say,
00:27:57.500 Michigan and Detroit
00:27:58.460 over the last 40 years.
00:28:00.100 I think Ontario
00:28:01.220 is coming back
00:28:02.040 on the right track.
00:28:03.020 I'm an optimist.
00:28:04.080 I mean,
00:28:04.280 I'm a new Ontarian myself.
00:28:06.780 You're an old-timer here.
00:28:08.080 Are you optimistic
00:28:08.860 about Ontario's future?
00:28:10.580 I don't know
00:28:11.460 that I'm an old-timer here,
00:28:12.640 but I'm much more
00:28:13.340 optimistic about it now.
00:28:14.700 I want to say something,
00:28:15.840 some advice I got
00:28:16.700 from my wife
00:28:17.400 that you reminded me of
00:28:18.680 when you said,
00:28:19.380 you know,
00:28:19.900 put not your trust in princes.
00:28:21.420 I remember
00:28:22.160 as I was early
00:28:23.300 in talk radio
00:28:23.960 and there was a politician
00:28:24.800 that I was liking
00:28:26.140 and my wife said to me,
00:28:27.920 don't get caught up
00:28:29.020 in the individual,
00:28:30.400 worry about the policies,
00:28:31.740 support the policies
00:28:32.780 because if the person
00:28:33.700 goes off the rails,
00:28:34.740 you were still right
00:28:35.720 when you supported
00:28:36.680 the policies
00:28:37.200 and so far,
00:28:38.400 Doug Ford
00:28:38.920 and the PCs
00:28:39.740 have been right on
00:28:41.520 with their policies
00:28:42.420 and what they've accomplished
00:28:43.300 so far.
00:28:44.140 I think you're right.
00:28:44.840 By the way, Jerry,
00:28:45.520 when I said old-timer,
00:28:46.380 I don't mean you're old.
00:28:47.080 I mean,
00:28:47.360 you're seasoned.
00:28:48.360 You know your way around.
00:28:49.860 You know the beat.
00:28:50.860 You know the file.
00:28:51.740 You're better than me
00:28:52.420 because I'm only five years
00:28:53.880 in this province.
00:28:54.660 Well, Jerry,
00:28:55.400 you've encouraged me.
00:28:57.620 The policies encourage me
00:28:59.440 and, you know,
00:29:01.400 it gives me an optimism
00:29:02.260 for the whole country
00:29:03.080 because how Ontario goes
00:29:04.840 to a large way
00:29:06.140 the whole country goes,
00:29:07.180 it's still the most important
00:29:08.640 economically,
00:29:09.920 demographically.
00:29:10.740 It's so important
00:29:11.640 and I think
00:29:13.220 it could be a role model
00:29:15.060 for the rest
00:29:15.600 of the country again.
00:29:16.360 Here's hope.
00:29:16.840 And last word to you, Jerry.
00:29:18.500 Well, let's hope
00:29:19.320 that one thing
00:29:19.880 that Doug can do
00:29:20.860 is I think he may have
00:29:22.240 Saskatchewan in line,
00:29:24.040 but a few other provinces
00:29:25.120 might join with him
00:29:26.320 to fight Trudeau
00:29:27.520 all the way
00:29:28.040 to the Supreme Court
00:29:28.840 if they have to
00:29:29.560 on the federal imposition
00:29:31.360 of cap and trade.
00:29:32.940 This is a premier
00:29:33.800 now in Ontario
00:29:34.660 who really actually
00:29:35.660 has the will to do so
00:29:37.000 and maybe that will encourage
00:29:38.420 a couple other provinces
00:29:39.360 and we'll see where that goes.
00:29:40.760 From your mouth
00:29:41.300 to God's ears, Jerry,
00:29:42.340 great to have you
00:29:42.820 on the show again.
00:29:43.400 Thanks, my friend.
00:29:44.480 Thank you.
00:29:45.100 All right, there you have it.
00:29:45.880 Jerry Agar, he's the host
00:29:47.020 on News Talk 1010.
00:29:49.380 He's every weekday
00:29:50.220 from 9 a.m. till noon.
00:29:52.800 Stay with us.
00:29:53.980 We're ahead on The Rebel.
00:30:05.960 Welcome back.
00:30:06.720 Well, we're told
00:30:07.500 that Canadians have a duty
00:30:09.300 to do our part
00:30:10.400 to fight climate change,
00:30:12.760 although we're never told
00:30:13.920 what that fight
00:30:15.200 will actually achieve.
00:30:16.340 How many degrees
00:30:17.440 will the weather change
00:30:19.360 if we pay massive taxes,
00:30:21.760 if we no longer
00:30:22.880 have pipelines?
00:30:23.660 We're never told that
00:30:24.500 because the answer is absurd.
00:30:26.680 It is such an infinitesimally
00:30:28.500 small effect
00:30:29.500 on the world's climate
00:30:30.920 that it won't actually have
00:30:32.420 a measurable effect.
00:30:34.360 It's about virtue signaling,
00:30:36.620 proving how moral we are,
00:30:39.300 the theory goes,
00:30:40.180 in order to buy social license
00:30:42.540 from those who hate industry.
00:30:44.380 It's a complex explanation,
00:30:46.420 and it doesn't seem
00:30:47.700 to be convincing many people.
00:30:49.960 The carbon tax
00:30:51.280 that Alberta brought in
00:30:52.260 was supposed to pave the way
00:30:53.280 for social license.
00:30:54.260 It has not placated
00:30:55.760 British Columbia
00:30:57.080 or environmental extremists.
00:30:58.640 So while the benefits
00:31:00.820 of this fight
00:31:02.100 for global warming
00:31:02.940 are harder and harder
00:31:04.080 to find,
00:31:04.560 the costs seem more
00:31:06.260 and more real.
00:31:07.280 Interestingly,
00:31:07.980 Justin Trudeau
00:31:08.660 has refused to release
00:31:10.480 his government's estimate
00:31:12.600 of just how penalizing
00:31:14.980 a carbon tax
00:31:16.220 would be on ordinary
00:31:17.300 Canadian taxpayers.
00:31:18.980 Well, the province
00:31:19.660 of Saskatchewan
00:31:20.600 has gone ahead
00:31:21.200 and done a study
00:31:22.100 of their own,
00:31:22.720 and joining us now
00:31:23.460 to talk about
00:31:24.420 the results of that study
00:31:25.740 is Todd McKay,
00:31:27.680 the Prairies Director
00:31:28.580 of the Canadian
00:31:29.340 Taxpayers Federation,
00:31:30.540 and he joins us now
00:31:31.380 from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
00:31:33.400 Todd, how are you?
00:31:34.040 Thanks for joining us today.
00:31:35.540 I'm doing well.
00:31:36.540 Thanks for having me.
00:31:37.460 Thanks.
00:31:37.800 I don't want to focus
00:31:38.780 on the bizarre formula
00:31:40.520 that we're supposed to buy,
00:31:41.680 which is,
00:31:42.520 if you inflict
00:31:43.600 all this pain on yourself,
00:31:44.920 you will have
00:31:45.740 certain benefits.
00:31:46.640 I don't think people
00:31:47.340 believe in the benefits anymore.
00:31:49.020 They see that it's not
00:31:50.020 buying social license
00:31:50.980 for the pipelines.
00:31:52.140 They know it's not
00:31:53.060 going to actually
00:31:53.460 change the climate.
00:31:54.680 So let's not talk
00:31:55.420 about the supposed benefits.
00:31:56.800 Let's focus on your op-ed
00:31:58.640 in the National Post
00:32:00.040 called Ottawa hides
00:32:01.020 its carbon tax math
00:32:02.220 while Saskatchewan
00:32:03.640 crunches the numbers.
00:32:04.760 So there's no gain.
00:32:05.840 There's no payoff.
00:32:06.580 I think we can probably agree.
00:32:08.140 But what is the pain?
00:32:09.340 How much money
00:32:10.420 would Justin Trudeau's
00:32:11.980 carbon tax
00:32:12.780 hurt someone
00:32:13.760 in Saskatchewan
00:32:14.660 and by extrapolation
00:32:15.820 anyone else
00:32:16.720 in the rest of the country?
00:32:18.420 Yeah, so that's
00:32:19.240 a really good question.
00:32:20.520 So first of all,
00:32:21.160 that's a question
00:32:21.640 that Ottawa refuses
00:32:22.600 to answer.
00:32:23.900 They've been asked
00:32:24.680 many, many times.
00:32:25.720 Everybody's put in
00:32:26.460 lots of access
00:32:27.000 to information requests.
00:32:28.660 Ottawa refuses
00:32:29.460 to answer it.
00:32:30.100 So Saskatchewan,
00:32:31.240 doing the due diligence
00:32:32.100 that really is
00:32:33.020 absolutely required
00:32:34.260 in this situation.
00:32:35.600 Saskatchewan worked
00:32:36.380 with the University
00:32:37.540 of Regina.
00:32:38.440 Experts there
00:32:39.280 did some really
00:32:40.840 comprehensive analysis.
00:32:42.100 They put out a report
00:32:42.920 that's 276 pages long.
00:32:45.820 And of course,
00:32:46.780 there's a lot of
00:32:47.600 a range of variables
00:32:49.020 here.
00:32:49.700 But what they've said
00:32:50.840 is that,
00:32:51.540 you know,
00:32:52.880 the negative range
00:32:54.320 could be
00:32:54.980 that a carbon tax
00:32:56.520 would knock out
00:32:57.460 about $1.8 billion
00:32:59.520 out of the Saskatchewan economy
00:33:02.520 every year
00:33:03.420 when it hits $50 a ton.
00:33:06.980 And in addition to that,
00:33:09.440 it could cost families
00:33:10.760 up to $1,000 per.
00:33:12.820 You know,
00:33:13.140 when you look at
00:33:13.560 that $1.8 billion number,
00:33:15.120 that's about 2.4%
00:33:16.740 of the GDP.
00:33:18.800 That's a huge amount
00:33:19.960 of money.
00:33:21.420 That's a really tough blow
00:33:22.900 to an economy
00:33:23.540 that's still shakily
00:33:24.560 rising from
00:33:25.680 some of the struggles
00:33:26.500 we've had
00:33:26.940 with low energy prices
00:33:28.260 in the last number of years.
00:33:29.780 That's a big price
00:33:30.980 to pay for a policy
00:33:32.340 that's pretty shaky
00:33:33.080 in terms of helping
00:33:33.720 the environment.
00:33:34.520 Yeah.
00:33:35.060 I mean, 2.4%.
00:33:36.300 If you take 2.4%
00:33:37.800 out of an economy,
00:33:39.220 unless that economy
00:33:40.340 is just roaring
00:33:41.300 to begin with,
00:33:42.040 you're pretty much
00:33:42.640 throwing it into a recession.
00:33:44.520 And again,
00:33:44.780 I don't want to delve
00:33:45.400 into the obvious point
00:33:47.020 that this is for nothing.
00:33:50.140 Like, we're achieving
00:33:51.380 no change in the weather.
00:33:53.980 We have not placated
00:33:55.400 the foes of industry.
00:33:57.040 So, the whole thing
00:33:58.680 is a joke to begin with.
00:33:59.800 But what we're trying
00:34:00.600 to measure here
00:34:01.160 is the cost of it.
00:34:02.140 Now, let me ask you why.
00:34:04.120 What excuse
00:34:05.140 has Justin Trudeau provided
00:34:06.960 for not giving
00:34:08.320 the information?
00:34:09.060 I mean, the governments
00:34:09.540 are full of information.
00:34:11.380 If this tax
00:34:12.260 is going to be brought forward,
00:34:13.460 we should know
00:34:14.000 its economic impact.
00:34:15.680 Why have they said
00:34:17.360 they're keeping
00:34:18.040 their estimate
00:34:19.340 of the punishing costs?
00:34:21.300 Why have they said
00:34:22.260 they're keeping that secret?
00:34:24.180 So, the main explanation
00:34:25.300 we typically get
00:34:26.280 is that Ottawa
00:34:28.180 is asking the provinces
00:34:29.400 to impose a carbon tax.
00:34:31.100 And until they know
00:34:31.780 what the province's plan is,
00:34:33.100 it's hard for them
00:34:33.840 to estimate
00:34:34.520 what the cost would be.
00:34:36.700 Now, that's totally
00:34:37.860 a false explanation
00:34:39.060 for two reasons.
00:34:40.240 First of all,
00:34:41.440 they do have
00:34:42.080 lots of analysis.
00:34:43.500 You don't have
00:34:44.100 to know exactly
00:34:44.740 what somebody's
00:34:45.500 going to do
00:34:46.520 to estimate
00:34:47.380 what the impact
00:34:48.060 could be
00:34:48.580 on a range
00:34:49.460 of possibilities.
00:34:50.800 In fact,
00:34:51.300 here's the results
00:34:52.520 to the access
00:34:53.320 to information
00:34:53.960 request that we did.
00:34:55.540 It's all blacked out.
00:34:57.200 They're not showing
00:34:58.180 the numbers
00:34:58.680 they do have.
00:34:59.980 Nobody's saying
00:35:00.520 they have to know
00:35:01.200 absolutely everything
00:35:02.540 about what will happen.
00:35:03.780 But they do need
00:35:04.680 to do at least
00:35:05.420 the due diligence
00:35:06.040 of showing the numbers
00:35:06.880 they do have.
00:35:07.540 But here's another reason
00:35:08.860 that that's an
00:35:09.360 absolutely false excuse.
00:35:11.140 I want to let you
00:35:12.080 in on a little secret,
00:35:12.940 Ezra.
00:35:13.720 You don't have to be
00:35:14.740 James Bond,
00:35:16.280 you know,
00:35:16.840 with super spy gadgets
00:35:18.300 to figure out
00:35:19.160 what Saskatchewan's
00:35:19.980 going to do
00:35:20.340 on the carbon tax,
00:35:21.660 what kind of
00:35:22.200 provincial policy
00:35:23.200 they've got cooking.
00:35:24.640 Look, Saskatchewan says
00:35:25.900 it's not imposing
00:35:26.840 a carbon tax.
00:35:27.700 That's what Premier
00:35:28.460 Brad Wall said.
00:35:29.460 That's what Premier
00:35:30.240 Scott Moe said.
00:35:31.540 That's what everybody
00:35:32.800 who has ever listened
00:35:34.340 to anything coming out
00:35:36.060 of the government
00:35:36.480 of Saskatchewan knows.
00:35:37.660 They're not imposing
00:35:38.540 a carbon tax.
00:35:39.560 So there is no reason
00:35:41.420 that Ottawa can't
00:35:42.680 figure out
00:35:43.180 what it would look like
00:35:44.740 if it imposes
00:35:45.320 a carbon tax
00:35:45.960 because if a carbon tax
00:35:47.500 hits Saskatchewan,
00:35:48.880 it's coming from Ottawa.
00:35:50.080 It's not coming from Regina.
00:35:51.400 It's going to come
00:35:51.800 from Ottawa.
00:35:52.480 They know that.
00:35:53.620 We know that.
00:35:54.360 Everybody knows that.
00:35:56.060 If they don't have
00:35:57.140 all of the math done,
00:35:58.140 they need to get it done
00:35:59.140 because if they're
00:35:59.940 going to do it,
00:36:00.420 it's going to come
00:36:00.960 from Ottawa.
00:36:01.640 For them to say
00:36:02.360 that they don't know that
00:36:03.440 is baffling.
00:36:05.460 It's totally nonsensical.
00:36:06.860 Well, it wouldn't be
00:36:07.460 the first time
00:36:08.140 a liberal has told
00:36:09.600 a fib about a sales tax.
00:36:11.760 That's really
00:36:12.120 what this is.
00:36:14.380 You know,
00:36:14.980 interestingly,
00:36:15.980 Saskatchewan
00:36:16.840 in many ways
00:36:17.860 is more resource-oriented
00:36:19.640 and export-oriented
00:36:21.140 than Alberta,
00:36:23.300 which is,
00:36:23.800 I was surprised
00:36:24.660 to learn that
00:36:25.160 because it's not
00:36:25.640 just oil and gas.
00:36:27.000 It's potash,
00:36:27.980 it's uranium,
00:36:28.840 it's wheat,
00:36:29.280 and everything
00:36:30.520 has to be transported
00:36:31.900 by rail,
00:36:32.980 by truck,
00:36:33.640 whatever.
00:36:34.660 And, of course,
00:36:35.580 it's the prairies
00:36:36.160 get cold in the winter,
00:36:37.260 so you need energy
00:36:38.440 to move things.
00:36:40.080 You need energy
00:36:40.740 to stay warm
00:36:41.440 in the winter.
00:36:42.600 Saskatchewan
00:36:43.040 is a more energy-intensive
00:36:44.300 place than,
00:36:45.020 say,
00:36:46.080 Prince Edward Island,
00:36:47.160 which you could
00:36:47.640 practically bike around.
00:36:49.720 I think that this
00:36:50.720 is very punitive.
00:36:51.620 Let me ask you
00:36:52.100 a question.
00:36:53.220 The northern territories,
00:36:55.060 Nunavut,
00:36:55.700 Northwest Territories,
00:36:56.540 Yukon,
00:36:56.900 are even more sparse
00:36:58.800 than Saskatchewan
00:36:59.900 in terms of population,
00:37:01.340 even more cold,
00:37:03.040 and at least
00:37:04.540 Nunavut
00:37:05.200 and Northwest Territories
00:37:06.600 are larger.
00:37:07.700 I'd have to check
00:37:08.460 the map on Yukon.
00:37:10.020 They have received
00:37:11.320 some sort of assurances
00:37:13.140 that they would be
00:37:14.520 compensated in some way,
00:37:16.000 I think.
00:37:16.900 I know they have
00:37:17.520 other rebates,
00:37:18.520 other subsidies.
00:37:19.820 I don't want to
00:37:20.580 go beyond
00:37:22.060 my knowledge there.
00:37:23.820 Is it possible
00:37:25.020 that Saskatchewan
00:37:27.180 could get
00:37:27.920 some sort of
00:37:28.740 mitigation,
00:37:29.780 or is Justin Trudeau
00:37:30.880 just being adamant
00:37:31.880 and punitive
00:37:32.480 towards the province?
00:37:34.720 Well,
00:37:34.960 I think certainly
00:37:35.620 Ottawa is doing
00:37:36.620 what it often does
00:37:37.620 and trying to
00:37:38.580 buy peace.
00:37:40.360 And so we've seen
00:37:41.160 already with
00:37:42.580 environmental funding
00:37:44.340 that was dangled
00:37:45.020 in front of the provinces,
00:37:46.000 roughly $60 million
00:37:47.100 was dangled
00:37:48.780 in front of Saskatchewan.
00:37:49.880 Sign on to the plan,
00:37:50.940 you get $60 million
00:37:51.760 to put into
00:37:52.720 green projects.
00:37:55.120 Saskatchewan said,
00:37:55.860 no,
00:37:56.920 you know,
00:37:57.520 it's not for sale.
00:37:58.620 The principles here
00:37:59.600 aren't for sale.
00:38:01.160 You can offer
00:38:01.940 $60 million
00:38:02.640 and we're not
00:38:04.600 signing on.
00:38:05.360 It doesn't matter.
00:38:06.760 So, look,
00:38:07.420 I think that that pressure
00:38:08.280 is going to increase.
00:38:09.180 In fact,
00:38:09.740 again,
00:38:10.100 actually,
00:38:10.420 I'll flash this
00:38:11.260 ATIP again.
00:38:12.460 I don't know
00:38:12.700 if you can see it,
00:38:13.520 but the headline here
00:38:14.520 is equalization.
00:38:16.380 They're analyzing
00:38:17.380 what happens
00:38:18.040 with the equalization program
00:38:19.600 based on
00:38:20.500 what would happen
00:38:21.480 with the carbon tax.
00:38:22.580 Look,
00:38:22.760 all of that's leveraged
00:38:23.900 from Ottawa,
00:38:24.640 controlling,
00:38:26.280 throttling the flow
00:38:27.220 of money
00:38:27.660 from the capital
00:38:28.500 outward
00:38:29.440 and trying to force
00:38:31.140 the provinces
00:38:31.680 to get on side.
00:38:33.080 Look,
00:38:33.280 I don't think
00:38:33.560 it's going to work
00:38:33.980 in Saskatchewan.
00:38:34.640 Saskatchewan's been
00:38:35.220 very clear.
00:38:36.100 They're not imposing
00:38:37.140 a carbon tax.
00:38:38.220 If Ottawa wants
00:38:39.220 a carbon tax,
00:38:39.900 it can try to impose
00:38:40.840 it on Saskatchewan,
00:38:42.000 but it's going to see
00:38:42.780 a fight in the courts
00:38:43.640 and it's going to see
00:38:44.220 a fight in the court
00:38:45.240 of public opinion as well.
00:38:46.360 Yeah.
00:38:46.660 I'm just thinking
00:38:47.440 60 million bucks
00:38:48.600 as some sort of payoff
00:38:49.760 and they're going to take
00:38:50.980 1.8 billion
00:38:52.380 out of the economy.
00:38:53.580 You don't have to be
00:38:54.260 a math major
00:38:55.520 to know that's no deal.
00:38:57.740 Let me ask you,
00:38:58.820 I think Brad Wall
00:39:00.360 was very strong on this
00:39:01.600 and Scott Moe,
00:39:02.220 the new premier,
00:39:02.740 very strong on it.
00:39:03.800 You see Jason Kenney,
00:39:04.940 very strong on it.
00:39:05.840 He's probably going to be
00:39:06.960 the next premier of Alberta
00:39:08.280 just if polls are right.
00:39:09.660 And Doug Ford
00:39:10.600 has taken a hard line too.
00:39:12.660 I saw that photo
00:39:13.520 of Doug Ford
00:39:14.280 meeting with Justin Trudeau
00:39:15.560 and their various advisors
00:39:17.100 and I thought,
00:39:17.740 boy, that's a tough meeting.
00:39:20.580 Maybe, maybe there's a chance
00:39:22.780 this can be beat.
00:39:23.960 I mean, we tried to beat the GST.
00:39:26.520 I know you guys
00:39:27.120 and the Taxpayers Federation
00:39:28.140 fought hard about that
00:39:29.140 a generation ago.
00:39:30.820 Do you think you can actually
00:39:32.100 stop the carbon tax?
00:39:33.260 They repealed it in Australia,
00:39:34.920 which is a bit of a miracle.
00:39:36.660 Do you think it's possible
00:39:38.080 that if Alberta
00:39:38.840 and Saskatchewan
00:39:39.760 and Ontario
00:39:40.460 get together
00:39:41.760 and sue in the courts
00:39:43.580 and fight politically
00:39:44.440 and if you guys
00:39:45.480 and the Taxpayers Federation
00:39:46.660 get behind it?
00:39:48.000 Do you think it's possible
00:39:49.220 we can stop this
00:39:50.280 in a way we didn't
00:39:51.000 stop the GST?
00:39:52.840 Yeah, look,
00:39:53.420 I think it is possible.
00:39:54.300 In fact, I think it's likely.
00:39:55.180 We're going to beat this thing.
00:39:56.480 You reference Australia.
00:39:58.080 Australia brought in
00:39:58.920 a carbon tax.
00:39:59.680 They were told
00:40:00.080 they were going to lead the world.
00:40:01.120 The rest of the world
00:40:01.680 was going to follow them.
00:40:02.820 They woke up and realized
00:40:03.900 that folks in India
00:40:04.880 and China
00:40:05.540 aren't laying awake at night
00:40:06.920 wondering what Australia
00:40:07.900 is doing about
00:40:08.500 its carbon emissions.
00:40:09.720 Nobody else followed.
00:40:11.200 But the cost of the economy
00:40:12.400 was huge.
00:40:12.920 Australians got rid of it.
00:40:15.560 Look, we can beat this thing.
00:40:17.600 I think it's going to be
00:40:18.280 a long, tough fight.
00:40:19.520 I think that
00:40:20.180 this is going to be
00:40:21.680 a good scrap
00:40:22.640 to be totally honest with you.
00:40:24.640 But we can beat it.
00:40:25.460 And here's the number one reason.
00:40:27.200 There's the court arguments.
00:40:28.560 There's the media debates
00:40:29.580 that we're going to have
00:40:30.320 and all of those kind of things.
00:40:31.980 But people aren't buying it.
00:40:33.940 They're being told
00:40:34.700 that it won't cost them anything
00:40:35.920 and it'll help the environment.
00:40:37.060 What they're actually seeing
00:40:38.180 is it's going to take
00:40:39.360 millions and millions of dollars
00:40:41.000 out of their pockets
00:40:42.140 and it's not going
00:40:43.560 to help the environment.
00:40:44.760 If you really care
00:40:45.580 about the environment,
00:40:46.260 you've got to demand
00:40:46.880 a better policy
00:40:47.600 than a cash grab
00:40:48.340 from government.
00:40:49.360 People know that.
00:40:50.540 The politicians can kind of
00:40:51.640 try to ram it through
00:40:52.720 at the top.
00:40:53.580 But when politicians
00:40:54.360 go up against the people,
00:40:56.280 they generally lose
00:40:57.380 even if it takes a while.
00:40:58.700 I think we're going
00:40:59.180 to win this thing.
00:41:00.360 Well, what a great note
00:41:01.200 to end on.
00:41:01.980 You've given me some hope.
00:41:03.660 I like your attitude.
00:41:05.940 And I think you've got
00:41:06.880 to have that attitude
00:41:07.720 if you're a taxpayer's advocate.
00:41:09.140 And we love
00:41:10.500 the Taxpayers Federation.
00:41:11.580 It's great to have you
00:41:12.360 on the show.
00:41:12.920 We talk to your colleagues
00:41:13.860 in other provinces too.
00:41:15.880 Nice to have someone
00:41:16.920 from Moose Jaw on the show.
00:41:19.000 Keep up the fight
00:41:19.940 and let's keep in touch
00:41:20.900 on this one.
00:41:21.740 I look forward
00:41:22.800 to when Saskatchewan
00:41:23.840 actually takes it to court.
00:41:25.640 Maybe we can have you
00:41:26.320 back on then
00:41:26.900 or even before that.
00:41:28.540 That sounds great.
00:41:29.320 All right.
00:41:29.660 There you go.
00:41:30.200 What a pleasure.
00:41:30.900 That's Todd McKay's article
00:41:32.640 in the National Post again.
00:41:33.860 It's called
00:41:34.220 Ottawa Hides Its Carbon Tax Math
00:41:36.880 while Saskatchewan
00:41:38.340 crunches the numbers.
00:41:40.100 He's the Prairie's director
00:41:41.120 for the Canadian
00:41:41.940 Taxpayers Federation.
00:41:43.260 Stay with us.
00:41:44.140 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:41:56.040 That's the show for today.
00:41:57.440 I am not off to London
00:41:59.200 right away.
00:42:00.000 I'll let you know
00:42:00.780 when I'm over there.
00:42:02.340 But I just wanted to tell you
00:42:03.420 because it's on my mind.
00:42:04.360 I'm booking a trip.
00:42:05.020 I'm getting things set up
00:42:06.120 over there.
00:42:06.620 I'm looking forward
00:42:07.240 to doing court reporting.
00:42:09.500 It's going to be a heavy trial.
00:42:10.860 The fact that the absolute
00:42:12.160 most senior judge
00:42:13.200 in the United Kingdom,
00:42:14.440 the Lord Chief Justice
00:42:16.220 for England and Wales,
00:42:18.440 leading a three-judge panel
00:42:20.260 of Tommy's hearing,
00:42:21.400 that's amazing.
00:42:24.040 That's like going
00:42:25.160 to the Supreme Court
00:42:25.980 of Canada
00:42:26.400 or the Supreme Court
00:42:27.260 of the United States.
00:42:28.960 I've got to tell you,
00:42:29.660 I'm a little nervous, actually.
00:42:31.380 I'm sort of excited by it.
00:42:33.240 Just the opportunity
00:42:34.200 to be there.
00:42:34.580 But, of course,
00:42:35.040 I'm there on a grave mission
00:42:36.740 to report what is said
00:42:38.520 and done in that court
00:42:39.460 and to report
00:42:40.500 contra the mainstream media
00:42:43.160 that will be lying.
00:42:44.480 And I tell you
00:42:45.060 they'll be lying
00:42:45.600 because everything I know
00:42:47.360 from Tommy,
00:42:48.020 from personal observation
00:42:48.900 from the year I worked with them,
00:42:50.440 when I saw how the media
00:42:51.600 were treated,
00:42:52.120 it was a lie.
00:42:52.660 So I'm not just saying
00:42:53.280 they have a different opinion.
00:42:54.480 They can have a different opinion
00:42:55.500 than me.
00:42:56.040 I'm saying that it is fake news
00:42:57.500 if you follow the Daily Mail
00:42:59.040 or the Sun
00:42:59.640 or any of the tabloids
00:43:00.660 or even the prestige papers
00:43:02.100 of the BBC.
00:43:02.680 The way they cover
00:43:03.200 Tommy Robinson
00:43:03.800 is false.
00:43:04.580 I think that's why
00:43:05.280 Tommy had his wife
00:43:06.640 and his other family members
00:43:08.360 contact me and said,
00:43:09.160 Tommy wants you to come
00:43:10.360 to report.
00:43:13.020 I know why.
00:43:14.420 I know why.
00:43:15.520 Because he doesn't want it
00:43:16.420 to be a wall of lies
00:43:17.320 about him.
00:43:18.660 All right.
00:43:19.540 Folks,
00:43:20.000 I hope you enjoyed the week.
00:43:20.960 I hope you enjoyed the day.
00:43:22.620 That's it for this week.
00:43:24.000 We've got some YouTube videos
00:43:25.320 all weekend
00:43:25.740 as we always do.
00:43:26.760 I'll be back on Monday.
00:43:27.800 Until then,
00:43:28.540 on behalf of all of us
00:43:29.840 here at World Headquarters,
00:43:31.400 to you at home,
00:43:32.600 good night
00:43:33.060 and keep fighting
00:43:34.240 for your freedom.
00:43:34.880 Good night.
00:43:34.960 And keep fighting
00:43:36.280 for your freedom.
00:43:37.340 Good night.
00:43:47.600 Good night.
00:43:48.220 Good night.
00:43:50.020 Good night.
00:43:58.900 Good night.
00:43:58.960 Good night.