Red Ice TV - May 27, 2021


Activist Exposing Critical Race Theory Is Asked： What Do You Like About Being White？


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Length

15 minutes

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184.88048

Word Count

2,779

Sentence Count

182

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary

Mark Lamont Hill interviews Christopher Rufo and asks him, "What do you like about being white?" to which he responds, "I like Western civilization." What does that have to do with race and identity?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Here is Mark Lamont Hill. He has a show that he called, what is it, Black News Tonight or something like that? BNC, I forget what the exact word was, but he had Rufo on, Christopher Rufo, we talked about him, he's kind of been a, he's been very good when it comes to speaking out against critical race theory, and of course all of this should be framed in the sense that it's anti-white.
00:00:25.080 That's the main issue, you know, in the sense of, you know, exposing the critical race theory for being hateful and stuff like that, because it's teaching young white kids especially to hate themselves, right? But anyway, so he was interviewed by Mark Lamont about this, and one of the questions he had was, what do you like about being white? So I've actually not heard the whole clip before, so let's listen in and see what he says.
00:00:46.880 The main guy, I saw the tweet from here, said, Rufo handled this the way he needed to. As the guy leading the anti-critical race theory movement, he played it smart, but if he'd been asking me the questions, I wouldn't hesitate in answering Western civilization.
00:00:59.200 Anyway, let's see what Rufo said here. If he kind of cocked or not, we'll see. I'm listening to this first.
00:01:05.800 And if I were to say to you right now, Christopher, what do you like about being white? What would you say?
00:01:10.060 I don't know. Again, it's such an amorphous term. It's like a census term or a crude kind of traumatic term.
00:01:17.520 But can you do me if I indulge me? Indulge me for one, just we're running out of time, indulge me for a minute.
00:01:22.660 I understand you see it as all these things, but you surely recognize that the world sees you as white.
00:01:27.240 You know the world reads you as white. And if you were to ask me some things I like about being black, I could talk about cultural norms.
00:01:32.600 I could talk about tradition. I could talk about the kind of commonalities I feel around the diaspora.
00:01:36.300 But if I were to ask you what, particularly if you're saying whiteness is a thing that is being constructed as negative and shouldn't be, name something positive that you like about being white.
00:01:45.960 Well, sure. I, you know, I'll answer with a thing there.
00:01:50.460 Well, bringing the world, all the advances that we've made, civilization, right?
00:01:55.620 There's so many things you could say. Let's see where it goes with this here, right?
00:01:58.240 But at least then, maybe someone like Marc Lamont is willing to, I could, I don't want to read too much into this here, but I feel that someone like Rufo is kind of like the, well, let's just not talk about that and let's just kind of go back.
00:02:13.300 I'm all for treating people equally, don't get me wrong, but some of these kind of anti-CRT people, critical race theory people are like, no, no, no, the race doesn't exist.
00:02:20.820 We shouldn't talk about it kind of thing, while someone like Marc Lamont is probably very eager to talk about it.
00:02:25.940 He does it, of course, because he wants to blame white people for everything and he's very anti-white.
00:02:30.420 But anyway, interesting dynamic. Let's see what else he says here.
00:02:33.280 There's a lot of documents that are floating around public schools that say things like timeliness, showing up on time is a white supremacist value or a white value, white dominant value.
00:02:42.720 Things like rationality, things like the enlightenment, things like, you know, objectivity.
00:02:48.940 And these are very strange things to be ascribed to a racial identity.
00:02:53.440 My view is that these are actually, should be ascribed to every individual human being.
00:02:57.640 Every individual human being, regardless of whatever racial category we impose on them, has the capability of...
00:03:03.940 But they don't want, it seems like they don't want it then.
00:03:06.120 That's one of the reasons why it's being dismissed and attacked as white supremacy, right?
00:03:09.380 Because in reality, many of those values come from Western civilization, Western kind, right?
00:03:17.180 European, the European mind and how we like to do things.
00:03:21.540 So ironically, maybe they're right.
00:03:23.340 If they don't want it, then I'm perfectly fine.
00:03:25.100 If they want none of this.
00:03:26.900 But if these groups are in our countries, which are founded by and of and from these ideals, shouldn't they apply to them as well?
00:03:36.080 You could have a separate society that lives like, ah, we don't care about clocks here.
00:03:39.920 We don't care about that.
00:03:40.500 All that shit is white supremacy.
00:03:42.600 We don't be on time.
00:03:43.440 We're not, you know, we don't think about, we don't like working hard.
00:03:47.100 We like other people taking care of us and giving us shit, though.
00:03:50.180 So the question, though, you're telling me you're making straw men about things that are ascribed to whiteness that you think are wrongfully ascribed to whiteness.
00:03:57.720 I'm saying if whiteness isn't a negative thing and there's something that you actually, and that whiteness actually shouldn't be constructed as all negative, name something positive about being, that you believe is positive about being white.
00:04:06.800 Well, but he said some of those things, the way that we've organized society, essentially, right?
00:04:10.760 That's what he's talking about.
00:04:11.560 He thinks being on time, working hard, and doing things that actually makes us a successful society, that's a good thing.
00:04:19.400 High trust, how about that orderliness or whatever.
00:04:22.600 Remember, I think the, was it the African American Museum, what is it called again?
00:04:28.060 I forget the acronym stands for, and we've showed the image of that many times.
00:04:32.420 That's what he's referring to, this crazy list of shit that they have of, like, all the things that are wrong, which they attribute to whiteness.
00:04:40.840 Here's the document as a reminder right at the end here.
00:04:44.380 This has been going around like crazy, right?
00:04:46.620 But let me zoom in here real quick.
00:04:48.240 You guys have seen this, right?
00:04:50.240 White culture.
00:04:51.260 This is by a Katz, right?
00:04:53.120 Remember this?
00:04:55.140 Aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States.
00:05:00.080 Individualism, family structure.
00:05:03.180 That's right, all the commie stuff was like family, that's a white thing, that's bad.
00:05:07.440 It takes a village, you know, that's what they want, right?
00:05:10.480 History based on Northern European immigrants' experiences.
00:05:13.380 Protestant work ethic, religion, status, power, and authority.
00:05:18.880 Aesthetics, time, right?
00:05:20.240 You see this?
00:05:21.040 Holidays, justice is a white thing, I guess.
00:05:23.160 Based on English common law.
00:05:24.760 Yeah, that's horrific.
00:05:26.100 Yeah, just those values, I guess, that ended slavery.
00:05:28.780 How about that?
00:05:29.900 Absolutely despicable.
00:05:31.060 I can't believe it.
00:05:32.240 Competition, communication.
00:05:34.820 Anyway, yeah, it's by Judith H. Katz.
00:05:38.680 1990s.
00:05:39.020 That one that was done?
00:05:39.680 Holy shit.
00:05:41.400 Yeah, so you get it.
00:05:42.260 This is what he's talking about here.
00:05:43.400 That these things are ascribed to white culture, which I think is actually correct.
00:05:47.720 I think it is, right?
00:05:49.160 I think Rufo is arguing that it's not, but I think it is.
00:05:52.500 I think Mark is correct in the sense here.
00:05:55.200 They just see it as negative things while people who are in the West, of the West, are grown
00:06:02.820 up by these ideals because it's we who made them.
00:06:05.380 Us, European man, came up with many of these concepts.
00:06:08.620 Others have them?
00:06:09.300 Sure.
00:06:09.460 But in many regards, they see it as wrong because all these colonialists brought these ideas
00:06:14.420 to it.
00:06:14.700 We didn't live this way.
00:06:15.780 Anyway, rest of the clip here.
00:06:17.080 Again, I don't buy into the framework that the world can be reduced into these metaphysical
00:06:23.640 categories of whiteness and blackness.
00:06:25.980 I think that's wrong.
00:06:26.960 But they're not metaphysical, though, in that sense, right?
00:06:31.140 I mean, they're based on something.
00:06:32.140 They're based on genetics, right?
00:06:33.540 It's interesting because a Mark Lamont Hill is willing to recognize that while a Christopher
00:06:39.060 Rufo, it sounds like, is not unless he knows about it, but tactically takes a road which
00:06:45.860 he believes that it's less likely that he will be called a racist, right?
00:06:51.640 That's basically what I'm seeing happening here, which, of course, is silly because you
00:06:57.360 don't have to bow down to their way of looking at things.
00:07:00.460 They don't set the rules.
00:07:01.740 We do.
00:07:02.180 They don't drive the narrative.
00:07:04.020 They can call us racist all they want.
00:07:06.200 The trick is not to give a shit, and it doesn't matter.
00:07:08.760 We're standing up for ourselves and our own, and we look out for ourselves first.
00:07:11.400 Doesn't mean we hate, want to kill or murder or be violent towards anybody, but we are looking
00:07:15.580 out for ourselves first, and that's what every racial group does, and that's okay.
00:07:19.320 And, of course, you can find with a DNA test, you can find what race you belong to, and
00:07:26.760 there's nothing wrong with that.
00:07:27.920 That's fine.
00:07:28.860 So I guess Christopher is walking around on eggshells here.
00:07:31.840 Don't get it wrong.
00:07:33.120 He does great work on exposing all the CRT bullshit and all the anti-white stuff, and he should
00:07:37.160 continue with that.
00:07:38.180 But it's nothing wrong with saying that good traits that we have developed, they came from
00:07:42.820 us, and we're not metaphysical.
00:07:45.440 We're an actual group, right?
00:07:46.400 I think we should look at people as individuals.
00:07:47.880 I think we should celebrate different people's accomplishments.
00:07:51.300 And, again, I think the idea, you mentioned Ignatiev.
00:07:54.080 Ignatiev says the goal is to, quote, abolish the white race.
00:07:58.060 In any other context, this would be...
00:08:00.060 So, technically, he said abolish white...
00:08:02.440 I've thought about this lately, but Noel Ignatiev, we played the clip many times, they are...
00:08:10.260 It's a language thing, right?
00:08:12.340 They're changing the definitions and the labels and the language.
00:08:16.280 So, as a witness...
00:08:17.300 Not everyone does that, though.
00:08:18.380 Some just say, yes, white people are the problem.
00:08:20.600 We need to eradicate them.
00:08:21.460 But many of these guys he's talking about are fleeing to the term whiteness.
00:08:27.280 Someone like Barbara Spector tweeted out, like, we need to end white people and stuff like
00:08:31.580 that, so they just go full on out.
00:08:33.440 But someone like Noel Ignatiev said, no, no, no, no, no, it's not about that.
00:08:36.200 It's about whiteness, you see?
00:08:38.320 But he also says you can't have whiteness without white people, I believe, in that clip
00:08:42.780 too, right?
00:08:43.460 But it's a step in between, that if the charge comes and says, this is incitement, you're
00:08:49.260 encouraging an extermination of a race or something like that, they say, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow
00:08:53.120 down, no, no, no, I'm just talking about whiteness.
00:08:55.640 And that's why, like, the whiteness that non-white people have in their head has to
00:08:59.280 be removed, you know, kind of thing.
00:09:01.060 So, it's one of those definitions things, like, it's like, in the same way that they
00:09:05.260 talk about gender as opposed to sex, right?
00:09:07.580 They come up with a new term, a new idea, and then they're attacking that.
00:09:11.120 We know what it means, we know what they want, of course, but it's a way kind of out of
00:09:14.680 it.
00:09:14.900 So, just as a technicality, though, they're more sophisticated, some of them, than that, and they
00:09:19.180 just say, no, no, we're just attacking a concept, we're not attacking white people.
00:09:23.960 I saw it the other day, too.
00:09:25.180 It's like, well, whiteness doesn't really exist, to try to say.
00:09:27.840 Okay, well, then it's a definition thing.
00:09:29.980 I'm perfectly fine calling it European, Western, whatever you want.
00:09:33.520 At the end of the day, we're talking about the same thing, as far as I'm concerned, but
00:09:37.960 they are trying to say that it's a definition issue, right?
00:09:40.500 Which is bullshit.
00:09:41.640 Interpreted as a near genocidal slur.
00:09:44.340 I don't buy into it.
00:09:45.420 The reason I'm not going to answer your question is I reject that categorization.
00:09:48.760 I think of myself as an individual human being with my own capabilities, and I would hope
00:09:53.400 that we could both judge each other as individuals and come to common values on that basis.
00:10:00.280 Fair enough.
00:10:01.060 I would argue, though, that the ability to say, I don't see race, I don't recognize race,
00:10:07.260 yeah, that that's racist in and of itself, right?
00:10:09.700 So I get what Rufo is doing here.
00:10:12.920 I get what he's doing, but this is what it's all about right here, right?
00:10:16.140 We went through this in the latest Week in Warrior show, so check out that.
00:10:19.840 It was a pretty important part, I think, of the show from The Economist, the Rothschild
00:10:25.020 publication.
00:10:27.300 White Americans are beginning to realize that they, too, belong to a race.
00:10:30.920 I don't necessarily like the term white, and it's being used by these kind of nefarious,
00:10:37.780 if you will, sources.
00:10:39.760 I don't care.
00:10:40.380 I mean, I don't mind it.
00:10:41.120 I get, we all get what we, what they mean, or what a white person is.
00:10:46.180 There could be, even if there's a tiny little fraction that's in the gray zone, oh, what
00:10:50.640 is white anyway?
00:10:51.620 Most people can see what a white person is when they look at them.
00:10:54.140 It's bullshit.
00:10:54.700 Just because there's a small slice of something that falls in between doesn't negate the whole
00:11:00.240 black and white.
00:11:01.400 Like, if you have something on the gray scale, that doesn't mean that black and white doesn't
00:11:04.760 exist, literally, like the colors, right?
00:11:07.580 So that's kind of the argument they're trying to make.
00:11:09.580 I prefer European.
00:11:11.360 That's fine.
00:11:12.840 We're European people, Western people.
00:11:14.560 It doesn't matter, right?
00:11:15.840 But we belong to race.
00:11:17.040 But this is actually a very interesting article here.
00:11:18.780 Now, they're, of course, talking about it.
00:11:19.920 How do we make sure that this, that these white people, when they begin to identify with
00:11:24.700 their race, with the group, ethnic group that they belong to, how do we make sure that they're
00:11:29.120 a submissive one, right?
00:11:30.120 An anti-racist one.
00:11:31.380 In other words, an anti-white one.
00:11:32.680 That they turn against themselves and they examine themselves from the point of view of
00:11:35.880 race.
00:11:36.240 And we want them to, we want them kind of to notice race and to pay attention to it now.
00:11:40.980 Rufo is, Rufo is kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of 10 years too late, right?
00:11:46.840 Remember there was a time when even the last said, no, race doesn't exist.
00:11:49.340 You shouldn't talk about that.
00:11:50.520 That's racist.
00:11:51.500 They flipped on that now.
00:11:52.500 Now they want everybody to notice.
00:11:54.320 But white people technically cannot have a common identity.
00:11:59.720 So I'm okay calling it European instead of like saying whiteness, but we all know what
00:12:03.140 they mean when they say it, right?
00:12:04.340 So anyway, very interesting article.
00:12:06.180 Check out the Weekend Warrior show.
00:12:07.400 We went through this in more detail there.
00:12:09.440 And there's kind of a awakening.
00:12:11.480 And essentially, you can kind of equate, frankly, and they do it in the article too, when
00:12:16.100 it comes to America, not just Europe too, because white people live in Europe too, right?
00:12:20.540 So they live in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, all kinds of manners of nations that
00:12:26.100 we've created.
00:12:26.720 But they're trying to basically kind of equate that it's about 70 million people, right?
00:12:31.240 So basically it's the Trump voting group, essentially.
00:12:35.000 Not entirely, but they're kind of recognizing that in the article.
00:12:38.640 And that, of course, is also why they've drummed this narrative.
00:12:41.000 What do we do about the 75 million people that voted for Trump, because they belong in the
00:12:45.720 category that refuse to bow down to us and to our way of dealing with these pesky white
00:12:52.580 people?
00:12:53.660 Anyway, anyway, to give a little more props to Rufo here too, though, because he does do
00:12:58.000 good work.
00:12:58.460 I'm not trying to just completely shit on the guy, but he had some scoop out of Lockheed
00:13:02.240 Martins, the nation's largest defense contractor, sent key executives a three-day white male
00:13:06.840 re-education camp in order to deconstruct their white male culture and atone for the
00:13:11.580 white male privilege.
00:13:13.460 I've obtained internal documents that will shock you.
00:13:16.100 And he has some of that up on his Twitter here.
00:13:20.220 So check that out too.
00:13:21.660 We don't have time right at the end here, but very interesting.
00:13:24.060 Lockheed Martins White Men's Caucus.
00:13:28.340 Holy shit.
00:13:29.120 Can you imagine these space programs, right?
00:13:30.960 When they're going to begin and they're going to replace all these white men and white men
00:13:34.760 know the problem and all this shit, like, look at this.
00:13:36.820 Holy crap.
00:13:38.520 All right.
00:13:38.780 We'll go through this in more detail at another time.
00:13:41.720 Everywhere.
00:13:42.320 Every institution.
00:13:43.860 Every institution all over is plagued by this just total insanity, right?
00:13:49.280 Watch this.
00:13:56.840 Let us come to you.
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