Red Ice TV - September 19, 2025


Antifa Is A Terrorist Organization, But The Problem Is Systemic


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12 minutes

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1,977

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108

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Will Antifa be labeled a terrorist organization? Is this a good or bad idea? What would be the long-term effects if it were to happen? Is it something that can be done, and what would be done about it?

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00:00:00.000 Will Antifa be labeled a terrorist organization?
00:00:04.000 It's the easiest thing in the world to do.
00:00:06.000 Antifa checks all the boxes.
00:00:08.000 Violence, intimidation.
00:00:15.000 Threats against civilians, murder and assassinations of political rivals.
00:00:20.000 Destruction of property.
00:00:22.000 All in order to drive a political objective and terrorize their enemies
00:00:27.000 into fear of standing up for what they believe in.
00:00:30.000 Protests started getting out of control.
00:00:36.000 In May 2020, Trump said that America will be designating Antifa as a terrorist organization.
00:00:42.000 A bill was even introduced that same year by a Republican senator from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy.
00:00:47.000 But nothing came of it. And they dropped the ball.
00:00:50.000 Will the same happen now?
00:00:53.000 Not likely. They will probably move ahead with it.
00:00:56.000 And no matter if you think it's a good idea or a bad idea,
00:00:59.000 you nor I are going to be able to affect it one way or another.
00:01:04.000 Let's be honest.
00:01:05.000 So let's just look at how it could be done and what the long-term effects would be if they decide to do it.
00:01:11.000 The best route is probably to designate Antifa an FTO, a foreign terrorist organization.
00:01:16.000 Why?
00:01:17.000 Well, because currently there is no organization that only exists within the United States that has been officially designated as a domestic terrorist organization.
00:01:28.000 Apparently labeling a domestic organization would raise significant legal challenges related to the First Amendment.
00:01:34.000 And it will be harder for something like that to be pushed through.
00:01:38.000 But, however, it's easy to prove that Antifa is a foreign organization because it started in Germany as the Antifascistische Aktion,
00:01:46.000 but only existed for about one year at first, from 1932 to 1933.
00:01:50.000 Then after 1945, post-World War II, it reemerges in West Germany.
00:01:55.000 And today it's widespread in many countries outside of Germany, including in the United States.
00:02:02.000 It's also highly organized in its decentralized structure, although there are no, as far as we know, official membership within the organization.
00:02:11.000 There are chapters, there's social media presence with moderators or individuals that start these pages and have chapters.
00:02:24.000 They have symbols, they have flags associated with their ideology.
00:02:28.000 They have supporters in academia and media.
00:02:31.000 Handbooks are published, academic literature, there are content creators and streamers that are aligned ideologically with the group
00:02:39.000 and even display their symbols and name.
00:02:42.000 The first thing you can do is to simply ban the symbols that are associated with the group, like they have done with groups on the right in many countries.
00:02:50.000 You can easily find who is aligned with their ideology, meaning anarchism, communism, Marxism, transsexualism and, of course, anti-whitism.
00:03:00.000 You can go on a spree to debank the people aligned with their leftist ideology, just like they do and continue to do to right-leaning people.
00:03:08.000 Defund them and their networks, put them on reputational risk lists, fire them from their jobs, de-platform them, ban their social media accounts, just like they are still doing to people on the right.
00:03:20.000 But more importantly, investigate how the money flows and from whom.
00:03:25.000 They might be less funded today as compared to its height in 2020 or slightly earlier, but there are still deep pockets and big finance pouring lots of money into other organizations that are ideologically aligned with Antifa.
00:03:40.000 Refuse fascism, BLM, Indivisible.
00:03:44.000 But it also includes think tanks, NGOs, media companies or people inside of those media companies that are aligned as well.
00:03:50.000 I mean, Jimmy Kimmel is a good start, but let's be honest, it doesn't end there.
00:03:54.000 Steering committees and foundations that drive education, they're all loosely affiliated and adjacent to the group's core beliefs.
00:04:03.000 There needs to be a long and deep investigation into those that have shown open support for Antifa, but also for those that have downplayed its role from claiming that it's just an idea while their members attack and kill people to those that say that it doesn't even exist.
00:04:21.000 You would have to root out the ideological foundations itself and go to the source.
00:04:40.000 You'd have to start with something like critical theory, cultural Marxism, begin with the Frankfurt School that fled Germany and set up shop at Columbia University in New York.
00:04:49.000 But there are other Ivy League schools that have over decades drifted towards this direction.
00:04:54.000 Ideologically aligned professors, academics, lecturers, authors, scholars that have all helped to churn out brainwashed Antifa supporters.
00:05:04.000 Anti-whites, anti-European and Western civilization ready to occupy the seats of elite positions and many of them now do. 0.62
00:05:13.000 Fascism.
00:05:14.000 Fascism.
00:05:15.000 Fascist organizations.
00:05:16.000 Fascism.
00:05:17.000 Fascism.
00:05:18.000 Fascism.
00:05:19.000 Media, institutions, businesses, including social media companies that have allowed people aligned with the ideology to organize and coordinate on its platforms while denying it and looking the other way.
00:05:30.000 All of them would have to be thoroughly investigated if you are to take this threat seriously.
00:05:36.000 Publications, even entertainment, television, music, Hollywood movie productions that have churned out ideologically aligned material that doesn't maybe directly or openly show support for Antifa, but they glorify the core values and the foundational myths of anti-fascism and anti-nationalism.
00:05:57.000 Nazi ain't got no humanity.
00:05:58.000 They're the foot soldiers of a Jew hating mass murdering maniac and they need to be destroyed.
00:06:06.000 If you begin this process, you will basically have to uproot the establishment itself.
00:06:10.000 And obviously that is not going to happen.
00:06:12.000 So we are going to see a very surface level investigation, if any, and only the useful idiots that openly have engaged in violence or destruction of property might be targeted in some capacity.
00:06:25.000 Now, this is common in leftist revolutionary movements.
00:06:28.000 You simply purge the vanguard once a new regime is in place as a way to ensure that they can't do the same to you as they just help you do to the previous guy.
00:06:38.000 It's almost like they have served their purpose now or something.
00:06:41.000 You know, the damage is done and so now they can safely pack it in, push them away while the West keeps descending into designed chaos only for them to offer new solutions that I think will tighten the news a bit more for everyone.
00:06:58.000 Here, here's some crumbs for you.
00:07:00.000 Look, we're, we're doing, we're trying to fix this.
00:07:02.000 We're doing something.
00:07:03.000 Now, I do admit that it would be extremely satisfying to see them go after Antifa and that the same would be done to them that they did to others.
00:07:11.000 I'm all here for it.
00:07:12.000 But I also can't help to feel that this is simply just an attempt at reconciliation, a peace offering in order to gain the trust of those on the other side of the aisle that were targeted in the same way during the previous White House administration and earlier.
00:07:28.000 Come back into the fold.
00:07:29.000 Please, we got your back.
00:07:31.000 Trust the plan.
00:07:32.000 This then also opens the door for legitimizing targeting other so-called extreme groups and organizations on the right, either by this administration or the next.
00:07:42.000 Probably, let's be honest, the current one.
00:07:45.000 We're already seeing rumors of this.
00:07:47.000 The efforts to unify the country will call for cutting away at the edges.
00:07:51.000 So a kind of extreme center position arises that you will be expected and legally mandated to adhere to.
00:07:59.000 The problem comes in when you realize that what is considered centrist today would have been seen as far left just a few decades ago.
00:08:06.000 A center position in 1950 or 1920 is today considered extremely far right.
00:08:12.000 It's all in relation to the time period that you are in, as everything has liberalized, globalized and drifted left since after World War Two.
00:08:21.000 What is considered extreme right today was simply seen as normal not that long ago.
00:08:26.000 Therefore, it's a misnomer to say that it's extreme for people who simply want to return back to an era before the political and cultural environment was changed with entertainment, academia and the long march through the institutions.
00:08:40.000 If you today value normal things that have been traditions for hundreds of years, millennia in some European countries like defending your nation, your people, family and the culture that springs from that, you have been considered a dangerous extremist for quite a while now.
00:09:00.000 The center position that we are expected to kind of unify around is only relative to the time that you're in because conservatives never conserved anything of real value or actual importance.
00:09:11.000 It's been diluted down to free markets, individualism and other neoliberal values.
00:09:18.000 I understand that as far as the current administration goes, you have to do something to try to piece together this fractured nation and obviously the division that exists.
00:09:28.000 But you can't do that and expect the support of people if you don't honestly and truthfully recognize that this wasn't an accident where we find ourselves today didn't just happen one day.
00:09:40.000 You also have to allow the space and the place for people to actually investigate history because that's part of it, too.
00:09:48.000 How did we end up here?
00:09:49.000 What did the people that are being demonized actually believe?
00:09:53.000 What happened?
00:09:54.000 Instead, they've resorted to censorship, silencing people, shutting down and closing out people that have genuine and real interest in actually finding the truth.
00:10:04.000 What needs to be recognized is that this was by design and the people that were trying to warn about endlessly importing foreigners, for example, were considered extremists.
00:10:13.000 And I can't help to feel that this is just to drive support for targeting anything that is considered extreme when in reality it is not.
00:10:21.000 Now, personally, obviously, I think the current left is extreme because they do not stand on a foundation of nature, natural order, hierarchy and the traditions that are the reasons our civilization even made it this far.
00:10:34.000 The left is at war with nature and human nature.
00:10:37.000 Ultimately, real values and true traditions have been undermined by both political wings in one way or another.
00:10:44.000 Even by conservatives who have been playing catch up to leftist ideas for the last 50, 60 years.
00:10:50.000 And I fear that this will simply take us to a place where either the next administration then has the mandate to swing back the pendulum even harder and target anyone that is supporting this that's happening today.
00:11:03.000 But what can you do?
00:11:04.000 These people are at war with us.
00:11:05.000 These people are at war with us.
00:11:06.000 And although the right and left are real political opponents, there is very little focus on the architects of control and why it is that as these two sides fight harder and harder with each other, it's still just getting worse and worse.
00:11:20.000 And we're sliding into technocracy with more control, more restrictions, more thought crime enforcement, more AI surveillance, you know, with Palantia contracts, flock safety, digital money, CBDCs.
00:11:32.000 So it's easy and it should be recognized as a strategy to play one group against the other.
00:11:39.000 Use the understandable and totally justified and rational anger that we feel to get back at those who have ruined so many people's lives for simply just wanting to live in a normal nation with normal people.
00:11:52.000 My point is this unless there is deep and real foundational change where you begin to look at those who wield power and influence much of this means very little because we're still being driven towards the abyss just at different speeds in different vehicles.
00:12:07.000 The reality is this.
00:12:08.000 Our nations are being destroyed by design.
00:12:11.000 Our people are being replaced.
00:12:12.000 And if we don't have our people, we do not have our nations, nor do we have our civilization.
00:12:18.000 So prioritize your goals and don't be satisfied with crumbs that means very little.
00:12:24.000 Only with a deep and foundational change of the minds of our people are we going to be able to stand a chance to survive in the world that is quickly approaching.