Red Ice TV - Can White America Be Reclaimed？ - Thomas Rousseau

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00:03:59.960 I am, yes.

00:04:00.600 Happy May Day, by the way.

00:04:02.420 It is May Day.

00:04:03.400 It is a holiday in Europe, which we're also celebrating.

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00:04:07.460 We have Thomas Russo here from Patriot Front live in studio with us.

00:04:11.400 Thank you for coming in, Thomas.

00:04:12.660 Good to see you.

00:04:13.300 Hello, and thanks for having me.

00:04:14.500 Of course.

00:04:14.800 We're looking forward to the discussion.

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00:04:16.920 So how do you like North Idaho this time, compared to last time you were here?

00:04:21.860 Yes.

00:04:22.260 The circumstances on my second visit to the area could not be more different than on the first.

00:04:28.080 No, I mean, I love the region, you know, as always, I love America in general.

00:04:33.540 I love every inch of the continent that I go to.

00:04:36.420 I love the areas that are beautiful and love the areas that are great to experience.

00:04:40.300 And I also love the areas that are great for a good political fight.

00:04:42.980 Not a literal fight, but of course a political fight.

00:04:46.180 But I think it has been good to be welcomed into North Idaho, which is for once, hopefully many times in the future.

00:04:53.520 Yes.

00:04:53.680 But no, it's certainly a good sign to see how things have grown.

00:04:58.020 And of course, you know, I wasn't steering clear of the area.

00:05:01.240 I just hadn't had a good opportunity to show up, and I appreciate y'all for giving me a great excuse to come up here again.

00:05:06.920 Yeah, no, thank you for coming in.

00:05:07.460 No, I love the area.

00:05:08.960 I love the history.

00:05:09.720 I love the culture.

00:05:10.380 You know, I love the people.

00:05:11.380 And, you know, I think it's a sign that I think nationalist organizing is growing and is moving forward in the right direction that all these areas continually will become more hospitable, even those, you know, which we have been slighted from and attacked from, you know, like y'all have borne your fair share of slings and arrows over the years, as we have.

00:05:32.640 And I think it's a good sign that persistence and perseverance, you know, eventually conquers all things.

00:05:39.360 Yes.

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00:05:39.880 Indeed.

00:05:40.480 Indeed.

00:05:40.700 And yeah, we had a good Valpurgis night.

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00:05:43.720 Or Bill Tain.

00:05:44.480 That's why I have a Burmard here.

00:05:45.820 People can say Bill Tain.

00:05:45.940 I got too close to the embers.

00:05:47.600 That's why I'm wondering.

00:05:49.640 That's what you get comments on, right?

00:05:50.740 That's where we hung out.

00:05:51.680 So that's where we first met.

00:05:52.920 And my first impression of you and your guys was like, these are just pleasant, likable, you know, southern gentlemen.

00:05:58.940 I just immediately was like, bam, I connected with you guys, liked you guys.

00:06:02.340 And I think first impression matters, you know?

00:06:05.040 Absolutely.

00:06:05.400 You pick up on things.

00:06:06.640 It's there.

00:06:07.200 No, and that's a big thing that the organization takes a lot of care and caution with is how the men carry themselves.

00:06:14.880 And, of course, you know, when we're doing the marches, and that's where we get most of the first impressions because those are seen by millions and millions of people.

00:06:20.240 But when it comes down to that, what people see is, you know, what we believe, and what we believe in is a structured, strong, orderly, American, thoroughly American society.

00:06:32.560 When people see the marches, that's what they see.

00:06:35.180 And sure, it looks outlandish.

00:06:37.000 It looks strange and abnormal.

00:06:39.020 But at the same time, what we're living in is the abnormality in history.

00:06:44.580 That's correct.

00:06:44.940 The current society is the great defacement upon the history of the European race. 0.53

00:06:50.940 So what you're actually seeing when you see the marching ranks of, you know, our activists, what you're seeing is the, you know, is a sort of return to form.

00:07:00.860 It's a restitution, a reconstitution, if you will, of the American spirit in a very strong, a very, you know, a very masculine approach.

00:07:10.740 And these sort of marches aren't unusual in Europe.

00:07:13.500 You know, it's, it's Americans see it and they're, oh my God, fads, who are these fads?

00:07:18.420 Like this kind of stuff has been happening in Europe forever with torches and uniforms.

00:07:22.520 Like it's nothing, nothing new, right?

00:07:24.560 Well, I did want to ask you about the origins, obviously.

00:07:26.320 When you started it, was it you who started it?

00:07:28.680 What was some of your motivations at that point?

00:07:31.840 And actually on the website, if you have it up there, if you go to the homepage, we have a great video, which shows, you know, that plays automatically, which shows years of, years of our organizing, which is great to, great to illustrate the point.

00:07:43.500 So, you know, when we started, you know, PF got its start in 2017.

00:07:47.940 I was at Charlottesville, of course, you know, which is, which I was there too.

00:07:53.600 Yes.

00:07:54.260 We didn't meet, but I was in.

00:07:55.740 We did, we were in the same zip code and we, we both did not have the greatest experience to say the least.

00:08:00.760 Nope.

00:08:00.860 So, no, and it was, it was a chaotic day.

00:08:04.680 And I think, you know, a lot of people were there with good intentions.

00:08:09.920 A lot of people were there who genuinely wanted to protest and seek a redress of grievances that they had against society and their government and, and in any manner of corruption in society.

00:08:22.080 But what was lacking was the organization.

00:08:25.500 What was lacking was there was, there was a supreme issue with the logistics, the tactics, the strategy, the messaging, and the coordinating of all these groups.

00:08:34.120 Again, lots of good people.

00:08:35.480 There were some people who probably, you know, I wouldn't consider shining examples of the, of the European race of the American nation who are present.

00:08:41.200 But, you know, that's not the point.

00:08:43.740 The, the rally ended up being a disaster, which I think is, is, you know, is not controversial to say.

00:08:50.640 And I was there.

00:08:51.620 I, I, I was not a planner of the rally.

00:08:54.020 I was not, you know, involved in any of the fights or anything, but I saw everything.

00:08:57.800 I experienced it firsthand.

00:09:00.380 And after leaving it, you know, the group I was in at the time started fighting amongst itself.

00:09:05.580 Um, and I think Charlottesville, you know, the reason the SPLC or the ADL will have this thing that I, I left that group because of the bad coverage of Charlottesville, which is silly because they just keep using Charlottesville when they describe me even to this day.

00:09:20.880 So if that was my plan, it's ridiculous and completely impractical.

00:09:25.020 Um, no, the reason that I left that organization was because, um, of these irreconcilable personal, uh, grievances, which people had and, uh, and past a certain point of this infighting, this, this movement drama that is so frequent.

00:09:40.420 And you still see it today, but you don't see it with Patriot Front.

00:09:43.420 Um, you know, I decided that, you know what, everybody who wants to work with me, everybody who has experience with me, everybody who trusts me as an organizer, we're going over here and we're going to do something new.

00:09:53.820 We're going to do our thing.

00:09:55.020 Um, and everybody else, it's been nice knowing you, you know, you do, let's may the best man win.

00:10:00.240 And, uh, and then, you know, I started Patriot Front with about two dozen, maybe 30 guys spread out over the South and the West.

00:10:07.720 Um, we had a bunch, we had maybe about a dozen to 20 guys in Texas.

00:10:12.300 Um, and we had a few people scattered in Florida and all the way up to Washington.

00:10:15.540 So it was very fledgling beginnings.

00:10:18.100 Um, I've always been, I've, I'm the founder of the organization.

00:10:21.060 I've always been the leader of the organization.

00:10:22.560 Um, I've always been the chief organizer, but, you know, the proportion of work and, and throughout the years, I have done every single job in the organization.

00:10:31.160 Uh, you know, when we were getting certain projects refurbished or off the ground, you know, I've been heavily involved in every aspect at any given point in time.

00:10:39.260 You know, I've, I've made, you know, the, a lot of the materials personally I've, I've done and managed vetting personally.

00:10:46.080 I've, I've gone around and planned every aspect of the demonstrations, you know, started out with me being the one to take the point with it.

00:10:53.480 And gradually we've been able to attain a greater level of sophistication with our demonstrations in particular, so that now there are people who manage our transportation.

00:11:02.360 There are people who manage our camp and lodging logistics.

00:11:05.060 There are people who manage our travel parties when we have convoys of 30, 50 vehicles.

00:11:09.400 Can't do it all.

00:11:10.360 We have, we have people who manage the security checkpoints and we have people who manage all these other things.

00:11:14.800 And these people have been doing these specific jobs for years in some cases within the organization.

00:11:18.160 But I was there at the nucleus of those before we were able to split off and delegate these things.

00:11:23.800 And then, you know, the story of the organization developing, at least from a leadership perspective, is largely one of delegation.

00:11:28.640 But anyways, to answer the question, yes, I've always been, I've always been very much involved in the organization.

00:11:32.660 And, you know, it grew out of a great sort of a response to what I see as a, as it was a, it was a failure of a, to properly plan and coordinate among the political movement.

00:11:46.700 And a lot of people, it was easy for them to get, you know, disenheartened, you know, disenchanted, right?

00:11:52.720 Crestfallen when seeing the aftermath.

00:11:55.400 And a lot of people, you know, said to, said to me and each other that, okay, nationalism, the demonstrations, you just can't do that in America anymore, right?

00:12:04.780 It's, it's, it's over.

00:12:06.020 They've taken that right away from us.

00:12:07.600 And, you know, my response was, hold on, let's, let's, let's give it a shot.

00:12:11.340 Let's see if we can do it right.

00:12:12.480 And, you know, I think we've largely proven that there is, there is a lot of these tactics, which you can do if you do them right.

00:12:18.340 And I wish we had more rights.

00:12:19.600 I wish we had more liberties.

00:12:20.480 I wish we had more room to operate in.

00:12:22.040 But the fact of the matter is, you know, in the broader perspective, you need to be using your rights up to the limit.

00:12:27.760 Because anything you leave them, they'll take, right?

00:12:30.020 Anything, it's, your political rights, your rights to free speech are use it or lose it.

00:12:34.500 So that's why PF goes right up to the level of, you know, civil disobedience, because anything less is, is sacrificing.

00:12:41.600 Have your parents seen you on the news yet?

00:12:43.780 Many times, many times.

00:12:45.740 Of course they have.

00:12:46.240 My, my parents, they're not, they're not involved in what I do.

00:12:49.860 And, and, you know, they don't necessarily, you know, they're, they're completely, you know, sectioned off and, and they have received, you know, messages and stuff over the years, but they're, they've never been involved in anything.

00:12:59.280 Um, but yes, absolutely.

00:13:01.380 And, and, you know, when you have the doxings and, you know, the media doing these crazy hit pieces, you know, they want folks to go after people's families.

00:13:11.040 Yeah.

00:13:11.220 They, because a lot of times they know that the person they're doxing, you know, they can tell, you know, when, when it's the left, it's the media or the antifa, they can tell that that individual is a true believer.

00:13:20.540 So you're not going to go after them in particular, right there, you're going to go after their family.

00:13:25.240 You're going to go after people who are, you're seen as more vulnerable and all that that does, whether I'm seeing it happen to somebody else or it's happened to me, all that that does is prove to me that, you know, we're the good guys in this story.

00:13:39.400 And these people are truly motivated by a sense of malice and diabolical hatred that, uh, that is a, it needs to be scourged from the earth.

00:13:50.500 Indeed.

00:13:51.280 Uh, I wonder, was there any, uh, inspiration in the early days?

00:13:54.740 Um, it was, there was some European groups, right?

00:13:57.500 I remember, I'm remembering that right.

00:13:59.720 I remember early days, right?

00:14:01.080 Yes.

00:14:01.260 I remember at the time, you know, especially there were a lot of, uh, European groups and, and, you know, activists in America were heavily motivated.

00:14:08.840 And there were, there was inspiration to look at the organizations in Europe.

00:14:12.460 Um, you know, and I think a lot of them have come and gone, you know, there's still some of the same ones in certain countries.

00:14:18.460 Um, and, you know, some of them have been banned too, by the way, like national action, right?

00:14:23.180 And national action was banned in the UK.

00:14:25.220 Uh, golden dawn was banned in Greece.

00:14:27.920 Um, Casa pound is still around.

00:14:29.940 It's been around for many years.

00:14:30.820 There's others, um, Nordic resistance movement has had a lot of legal trouble.

00:14:36.100 Well, America has deemed them to be a terrorist group, right?

00:14:39.360 Yes, the state department.

00:14:40.200 State department.

00:14:40.740 Um, I think Dredita Weg has been around the whole time in Germany, I believe.

00:14:45.760 Yep.

00:14:46.060 Um, and of course, France has the same large movement, but the organizations come and go and come and go because of their legal structure.

00:14:52.780 They keep dissolving them, but, you know, they reconstitute and.

00:14:55.820 But you're not an organization on paper.

00:14:57.780 So, um, so yes, Patriot Front does not exist as a legal entity.

00:15:03.380 A Patriot Front is a movement.

00:15:04.600 Patriot Front is an idea. 0.69

00:15:06.240 Um, and, uh, and that is, uh, that is something which Patriot Front has no property.

00:15:12.420 Patriot Front has no, um, no legal entities because that's not what it is.

00:15:16.200 That's not what it's meant to be.

00:15:17.460 Um, it's not a political party.

00:15:19.140 You know, we're not registered with the FEC.

00:15:21.480 Um, that is not the purpose of the organization.

00:15:24.020 Um, and, you know, even if we want to engage in, and I mean, we do, if we want to engage with property, if we want to have a gym space, or we want to have, um, you know, if we want to have guys work within some sort of electoral strategy, you don't need to be a party to do that.

00:15:40.660 Yeah.

00:15:40.820 You just need to have the opportunity and, uh, and members of the organization, of course, own property, right?

00:15:46.160 But they are not the organization, legally speaking.

00:15:49.180 But, you know, if you look to years back, years past, um, you know, there was a degree of, of tactical and strategic inspiration from European groups.

00:15:56.800 And I think the biggest, um, you know, I think a lot of American, you know, Americans at the time were envious of Europeans with their large demonstrations.

00:16:03.740 And they, you know, they seemed, they seemed very strong.

00:16:06.380 Generation identity.

00:16:07.660 Yes.

00:16:07.860 They were very big at the time.

00:16:08.940 And they're still around.

00:16:09.680 They're still around.

00:16:10.180 Um, and they, they had some very, I remember early on, they had some very popular, um, anti-migration things when they went to the, to the Alps and they had the ship in the Mediterranean.

00:16:21.340 That's right.

00:16:21.700 Um, so I think there was, there was a large, uh, aspiration.

00:16:25.540 Um, and I think, you know, it's, it's very, it's been very fascinating looking back now because, you know, in our early trip, you know, PF sent a bunch of representatives to Europe in 2019, I believe.

00:16:35.440 And we went to a lot of these countries and, you know, we were looking up to these groups and, and we were the, the fledgling, you know, new kid on the block, so to speak.

00:16:43.760 And then we went back, um, in 2023 or I think 2024.

00:16:48.740 Um, and, you know, the, the tables had kind of turned a little bit where we have newer European nationalists and groups that are looking, they're looking up to Patriot Front in a sense.

00:16:56.720 And, uh, and a lot of them said, wow, you know, I wish we could do what you do.

00:16:59.700 But of course, you know, they have all these legal barriers and, and, and things of that nature, but it is very heartening to be an inspiration.

00:17:07.200 Um, and of course, I don't mean to say that, you know, that we're better than them or that, you know, we have very different environments.

00:17:12.640 Um, but I'm very happy that we can provide something which is, which Europeans have provided to us in the context, um, which is kind of an impetus to grow and adapt new ideas.

00:17:24.040 Um, because I think nationalism is a war of ideas and it is a war of finding ingenious ways to push your message and survive all of these attacks that are made against us.

00:17:35.360 Yeah, no, indeed.

00:17:36.180 Yeah, you try, you need different type of strategies and the legal framework will define what those are.

00:17:40.740 But at the same time, yeah, one group might come up with something, a template that works much better or like that, you know, then you take, you know, take inspiration from each other.

00:17:48.200 Absolutely.

00:17:48.560 You learn from each other.

00:17:49.440 No, so that's good to know.

00:17:50.240 Yeah, real brief.

00:17:50.800 I just want to, I just kind of want to know, what is your political, uh, evolution, how you got to where you are now?

00:17:57.200 Right.

00:17:57.400 Because I read stuff online.

00:17:58.700 Oh, he was in high school.

00:17:59.840 He was political.

00:18:00.820 He had this newspaper, all that, you know.

00:18:02.640 Yeah.

00:18:02.920 So I was, um, my political, I did start thinking about politics when I was in high school.

00:18:08.440 Um, you know, I obviously, middle schoolers, I think, rarely are political.

00:18:11.800 I've never met one ever.

00:18:12.880 Um, and, uh, it was, I was about 16 years old and that was around 2016.

00:18:18.240 Uh, well, it was, it was earlier than that.

00:18:21.140 Um, but it was, uh, the Trump phenomenon was just coming into play and I had already started getting into, you know, the consuming political content on the internet.

00:18:30.720 And I was made aware largely of the, uh, of the, you know, the migrant invasion of Europe, which is a huge hot button issue.

00:18:39.060 And I had largely been aware of conservative politics, um, you know, just because, you know, Fox News plays in the living room, you know, you hear things on the radio, you know, you, you, you grew up in Texas and you, you know, you are very familiar with the Republican baseline, uh, you know, arguments.

00:18:54.120 And I wasn't, I was never really a dyed in the wool conservative, um, when it came to the Republican party.

00:19:00.680 Of course, I had beliefs early on that you could attribute to that, but I, I was never organized with those types of people.

00:19:07.820 Um, and of course I was in Boy Scouts, you know, I'm an Eagle Scout.

00:19:11.080 So, you know, you had a good upbringing there that teaches you a lot of virtues.

00:19:14.340 You learn a lot about American history.

00:19:15.580 I was probably one of the last generations of Boy Scouts to get the proper thing out of the program before it was corrupted and bankrupted and everything else. 0.99

00:19:25.420 Before gays started raping little boys. 1.00

00:19:27.260 Yes, yes. 0.97

00:19:28.160 But my, I was lucky to have a great experience and I think my troop was a very positive experience on me because a lot of the, a lot of the, the things that I think are very important in a nationalist today aren't just virtues that you are, they're not, it's not just having the right opinions.

00:19:43.000 You need to have the right virtues and a lot of that comes from having the right experiences.

00:19:47.360 Um, I think a lot of young men are not tested like they should be.

00:19:50.920 A lot of young men, you know, have never been in a situation where you're knee deep in mud and, you know, part of your, you know, your young, you know, your young man child brain is saying, oh, I wish I could call my mom right now and get picked up.

00:20:01.580 But you can't.

00:20:02.680 Right.

00:20:03.060 Yeah.

00:20:03.200 And, uh, and that is a, is an important thing that, you know, a 15 year old needs to be put in that situation of, hey, sometimes life sucks and you have to rely on yourself and push through it with the people around you.

00:20:13.000 Um, and I learned a lot of good leadership skills.

00:20:15.600 Um, and I was on the newspaper.

00:20:17.400 Um, and I made some, uh, I made some, you know, political cartoons, which were, uh, a little bit, uh, a little bit too edgy for my, uh, for my teachers at the time.

00:20:25.240 But, uh, I was pushing the envelope, so to speak.

00:20:27.980 And I started following the news more.

00:20:30.380 Um, and I actually think in high school, I, I did learn about the, the very traditional classical principles of journalism in that class.

00:20:37.560 Um, and that was hugely discordant within what I would look at, you know, especially with the coverage of Trump and everything of the media there.

00:20:45.800 Um, and that, uh, that, um, that great confusion between those two principles largely led me to have a great distaste for the media, which has never, never settled.

00:20:56.760 It has never settled.

00:20:57.940 It has never gotten any better.

00:20:59.180 Trust you.

00:20:59.980 Um, but, uh, you know, all those things in confluence.

00:21:03.040 And then, uh, you know, and then I was, you know, very much swept up into, you know, the political or the online space.

00:21:09.080 And, uh, then the, the summer I graduated, um, I was going to a rally in Virginia and, uh, the rest is history.

00:21:16.240 So I never really, um, as soon as I graduated high school, I was, you know, within, you know, within, uh, you know, within six months, I was doing Patriot Front.

00:21:24.560 So it has, nationalist organizing has been my entire adult life.

00:21:28.240 I have, I mean, I've had jobs, right?

00:21:29.980 I've no, I do, I do Patriot Front full time right now, but I've had normal jobs for the first, you know, for the first three or four years.

00:21:36.380 Um, but this has always been my primary thing my entire adult life and even a little bit before that.

00:21:41.340 So I tried to start as early as I could.

00:21:43.300 I wish I started at 15, but I don't think anybody would have taken me seriously.

00:21:46.600 So would you say Patriot Front is a, uh, political group or an activist group?

00:21:52.620 Right.

00:21:53.040 So, you know, we try to, I believe that we have so many tactics.

00:21:57.820 We have so many ways to do what we want to do.

00:22:00.120 Um, and I think we need to create an umbrella and a movement that's large enough to contain a lot of very different, um, but still unite, you know, different tactics, but united ideals, right?

00:22:12.340 United virtues.

00:22:13.200 So, um, I think activism, I try to define it as a very, as a, almost a philosophy, right?

00:22:18.440 More so than a specific tactic.

00:22:19.860 Um, and activism, I think, is the, the goal of organizing people to solve a problem, to redress a grievance, um, and that can happen through conventional politics where, you know, you're trying to get, uh, some city councilman elected or you're trying to get some, some bill overturned or even on the federal level.

00:22:39.880 Although once you go higher in levels of government, attempting that change without first stepping through many other levels becomes more and more difficult and it takes more resources.

00:22:48.240 I digress.

00:22:49.160 Um, you know, the organization is an activist group, but it's also a political group.

00:22:53.160 But, um, I try to explain it as if there's sort of a triangle in this philosophy.

00:22:58.460 You have people who are non-political, um, and those are people who have sort of given up on the idea of society.

00:23:04.540 They, they are very often, they're very cynical or they're nihilistic.

00:23:07.560 They're either doing nothing or they're doing something which is probably destructive to themselves and those around them.

00:23:12.800 Um, you know, that is not what we are.

00:23:14.820 Uh, however, there is a tiny kernel of truth in that, that is certain conventional structures are beyond saving and must be, must be, uh, as, as the Declaration of Independence says, you know, altered or abolished.

00:23:27.280 Um, and then you have people that are purely conventionally political.

00:23:30.980 And, uh, largely speaking, you know, a lot of them, and, you know, some of them have secret nationalist opinions, but national opinions, nationalist opinions aren't very good for you if you keep them a secret, if you don't act on them.

00:23:42.800 So they will find that you can moderate yourself to attain more conventional political approval.

00:23:47.660 And then it becomes a negative feedback loop until you are no longer a radical, you are no longer a revolutionary.

00:23:52.580 You compromise yourself into...

00:23:54.200 Congratulations, you are, you know, you have sold your soul, you know, and, uh, and no matter what you gain for, for the price of your soul, it is worth nothing.

00:24:02.360 Um, so, you know, that's the conventional political side of things.

00:24:05.120 And, and however, there is a kernel of truth to that as well, small as it may be, that there is something to be said in organizing and there is something to be said in trying to change, change the country.

00:24:15.200 So we try to unite those two things into an ascendant, uh, syncretic philosophy of extra-political action.

00:24:21.640 We, you know, Patriot Front is extra-political.

00:24:23.320 We organize with traditional political principles outside of the conventional realm of politics.

00:24:29.320 Um, and because of that, we're able to have a revolutionary footing and we have something of an ideological readout where the organization is this incorruptible source of, uh, of nationalist ideology.

00:24:42.480 You know, we do not compromise, we cannot be bought, we cannot be bargained with, we cannot be threatened into, into changing our beliefs.

00:24:48.720 Goodness knows they've tried.

00:24:50.260 Um, and because we have this, we can sally out into all these other political spaces and we can engage in networking, we can engage with businesses, um, and even in some conventional political spaces, you know, when and where the opportunities present themselves, and they do.

00:25:05.020 Um, but we are not concerned with compromise as, as, as a, something that could happen to us because we have this, we have this redoubt built up.

00:25:13.900 We have a fortress of our virtue, which we always return to.

00:25:18.080 Um, and I think that's a good sort of overlying philosophy.

00:25:21.180 What do you say to some of those MAGA types are like, well, why do they have to cover up their face?

00:25:25.880 They, you know, what are you hiding?

00:25:27.520 Um, yes, there's a lot of justifications for anonymity, um, you know, and, and a big reason is that it protects a lot of what we do.

00:25:35.540 Um, a lot of our activists, you know, marching is not the only thing they do, right?

00:25:40.580 A lot of them have businesses, a lot of them have professions, a lot of them have families, a lot of them have, uh, plenty of things that they do or are involved in, which their identity could potentially lead to those other actions, those other productive endeavors becoming a target for our opposition.

00:25:56.840 Um, so I'm not trying to hide anything that we believe, um, but we are trying to hide our identities.

00:26:02.500 That is the purpose of the mask.

00:26:04.040 Um, you know, but everything, everything we say is, is fully honest, but I'm going to withhold information that could only lead to a, an attack on some of our tactics and some of our productive endeavors.

00:26:16.580 Because, and especially, you know, who is going to be most interested in seeing us unmasked?

00:26:21.980 Well, it'd be the people who want to do us harm.

00:26:23.940 Exactly.

00:26:24.400 Um, and you see a lot of the conservatives and they say, all right, we'll take off your masks and, and all that stuff.

00:26:28.460 But we've done things without masks.

00:26:30.880 We've handed out flyers, many occasions where guys are unmasked.

00:26:33.340 Even with the Jake Shields interview, the video, um, the video where we're getting coffee with him and chatting very candidly, you know, most of the guys there are unmasked.

00:26:43.900 And to do the conservatives then leap to try to dox them to prove that they're feds when they finally get some faces to see?

00:26:49.280 No, of course not.

00:26:50.260 Um, you know, it's a, it's a very much confirmation bias thing that you're only upset when you see the mask, but whenever you see somebody who isn't wearing masks, then, oh, it's fine.

00:26:58.420 Um, and when we did the March for Life recently in January, a lot of the guys were handing out flyers on masks, talking with hundreds, thousands of people walking through the crowds.

00:27:06.380 And of course, do the Fed accusations stop?

00:27:09.320 No.

00:27:09.820 Not really.

00:27:10.100 Maybe it was never about the masks.

00:27:11.720 And it's actually a deeper, uh, unsettling thing about a, a worry about conservative sensibilities not being congruent with nationalism, um, or a fear of giving up what you've dedicated your whole life to, even if it is based upon a series of, uh, contradictions about how anybody can be American.

00:27:27.520 Maybe there's something like that to it.

00:27:28.980 But the masks also have a very productive element in being a sign of selflessness, right?

00:27:36.540 When we are all masked in the column, when, when we, uh, when we are doing some, something where the message is the men, the man is a symbol more than he is an individual.

00:27:46.960 Um, you know, it, it speaks to something.

00:27:49.220 It speaks to a principle of, you know, political, uh, you know, virtue, which is that I'm doing this not for myself.

00:27:55.620 I'm not doing this so that you look upon my name and ascribe it credit.

00:27:59.340 I'm doing it for the action itself.

00:28:00.960 I'm doing it for its own worth and value.

00:28:03.580 Um, and I think that also, it kind of, uh, it protects us against the kind of people who would get involved in politics, get involved in our work and our organization for personal gain to put their name everywhere.

00:28:15.020 Um, it immunizes us.

00:28:16.420 So there's many, there's many purposes to the mask, both tactical and in principle and philosophy.

00:28:20.760 Yeah.

00:28:21.480 And by the way, there's a lot of anonymous people online and they have YouTube channels and X accounts.

00:28:27.240 Yeah.

00:28:27.440 Well, I mean, it's the same with like, what was it?

00:28:30.220 I don't want to spend too much time on this because it's so retarded. 1.00

00:28:32.980 I just hear it all the time.

00:28:34.580 Well, I'm just saying like, this was some Biden thing or something.

00:28:37.300 And then of course, now you have a transition in the white house and then, you know, you're still here.

00:28:40.700 You're doing, you know, right.

00:28:41.940 So these things are just.

00:28:43.580 Musk said, Musk said that doge cut our funding a few days ago, which is funny.

00:28:47.900 I, and I, he would have.

00:28:49.060 Wait, he named Patriot Front?

00:28:50.380 He responded to a post that said, Hey, where'd these Patriot Front guys go?

00:28:53.540 We didn't go anywhere by the way.

00:28:54.420 Um, but yeah.

00:28:55.900 And Musk said, doge cut their funding, which is fascinating because he would know.

00:29:00.020 I think he's making a joke, but he, who knows what he's thinking is very strange, man.

00:29:03.720 Um, but yeah.

00:29:04.440 And then a bunch of people were like, ha, I knew it.

00:29:06.080 And it's like, okay, explain, explain this.

00:29:08.480 Just they make these arguments that, Hey, we've disbanded.

00:29:11.140 Hey, we're gone.

00:29:12.000 Hey, nobody's ever heard of them.

00:29:13.240 But all of these arguments, you can only really use once.

00:29:16.400 It's like, Hey, they disbanded and that's a mean to discredit us, but that only works

00:29:19.560 until we show up again.

00:29:20.460 And the argument of like, nobody's ever heard of these guys.

00:29:22.960 You can only, that only works until you hear of us again.

00:29:26.380 I mean, you guys are actually working on something that's, that's helping white Americans. 0.54

00:29:31.660 I have not known of any fed that's ever actually helped white Americans in any shape,

00:29:37.000 where they're going to have to grapple, you know, as they see us throughout the second

00:29:40.440 Trump administration, they're going to have to grapple. 1.00

00:29:42.060 So as you know, is your, is your favorite Indian, Kosh Patel, you know, is he, is he

00:29:46.400 now in charge of, of the white supremacist movement?

00:29:49.260 Does that make sense?

00:29:50.300 I know.

00:29:50.640 Yep.

00:29:50.980 You know, maybe the Republicans are the real racists and they turn around and who knows 0.98

00:29:54.860 an, an endless spree of mental gymnastics. 0.81

00:29:57.860 Maybe they should, maybe they should do something instead, huh?

00:30:00.940 They should do some regular gymnastics.

00:30:02.400 Maybe they can use it.

00:30:03.380 Well, it was the same thing.

00:30:04.340 It was like, well, there's, where's the overweight guys there?

00:30:07.700 You know?

00:30:08.560 And I thought, wait a minute.

00:30:09.280 I thought there was the DEI thing.

00:30:11.140 All right.

00:30:11.380 The FBI has gone more towards like wokeness and they're hiring all these like, you know, 1.00

00:30:14.500 fat lesbians and stuff now. 1.00

00:30:16.260 And it's like, how do you, this, you can't piece this again together. 0.98

00:30:19.220 And it's fit young men, you know, like, okay, well, but those are out.

00:30:22.760 Those are not welcomed anymore in the FBI, right?

00:30:24.900 That's right.

00:30:25.520 It's very telling.

00:30:26.620 And I think the, all of the Fed accusations and a lot of it has been seeded.

00:30:30.980 I'm almost sure by people with, you know, duplicitous intentions.

00:30:34.280 However, they can all kind of be boiled down to the premise of Patriot Front is too good

00:30:39.340 to be true.

00:30:40.060 There's no way you can get that many men out.

00:30:41.980 Exactly.

00:30:42.380 Like we, we couldn't do this on our own.

00:30:45.040 Therefore, which shows you that kind of complacency and like just a, what a sad state.

00:30:50.560 No, absolutely.

00:30:51.320 And that is in.

00:30:51.980 We are both good and true.

00:30:53.580 We are not too good to be true.

00:30:54.920 Right.

00:30:55.040 Um, and it speaks to a larger apathy and a sort of, uh, the demoralization of the American

00:31:01.640 spirit where people say that, that, oh, well, we could never do this.

00:31:05.040 It's like you, you can.

00:31:05.920 And the reason you know you can is that you're looking at it.

00:31:08.320 Yeah.

00:31:08.640 Um, all that you have to do is the first step of, the first step of reclaiming America

00:31:12.800 is believing that you can having the hope that it can be done.

00:31:16.200 Um, but these people are stuck in a loop where they do not have that.

00:31:19.120 And they're hoping for other people to come and save them.

00:31:21.840 Someone to fix it for them.

00:31:22.880 That's right.

00:31:23.120 Why don't we get into that?

00:31:24.080 Yeah, the reclaiming America.

00:31:25.920 I mean, obviously this is a big, big topic.

00:31:27.840 And how do you do, how do you see that?

00:31:29.420 What kind of American are you?

00:31:31.240 What kind of America?

00:31:32.560 So, you know, when we use the phrase reclaim America, obviously it is our chief slogan.

00:31:37.280 Um, you know, you could even say it's the motto of the organization, but, um, it's, it's

00:31:42.020 a very wide reaching thing.

00:31:43.560 Reclaiming America is not just about, you know, oh, well, eventually we want somebody who is

00:31:47.780 the head of state to have our ideology.

00:31:49.220 That would be great, but that's a very singular goal.

00:31:51.320 And what we, what we need is a comprehensive change, which starts and goes through every

00:31:55.860 level of American society.

00:31:57.440 Um, so one of the elements is reclaiming the identity, the name of American.

00:32:02.380 Um, and this is something, you know, we are unearthing our history.

00:32:05.860 We are pushing the, the message that to be an American is to be a descendant of the European 0.99

00:32:11.580 race, is to be someone who has this amazing heritage of conquerors and pioneers and statesmen

00:32:18.300 and revolutionaries and rebels and, and, uh, and, you know, Indian fighters and everything.

00:32:23.220 You know, we want to reclaim our identity, whereas so many people, and you know, you've

00:32:27.760 seen this with a lot of the Indians lately, or when I had my interview with, uh, with Patrick

00:32:31.980 Bet, David, you know, they say, well, anybody can be an American being an American is a,

00:32:35.980 is an economic practice.

00:32:37.360 Being an American is a philosophy.

00:32:39.340 And of course, you know, they never answer why other people in India or Mexico can't be 1.00

00:32:43.200 American over there then.

00:32:44.340 Um, you know, so it's reclaiming our identity, reclaiming an ownership of our heritage and,

00:32:49.980 uh, being, uh, an aggressive cultural counterweight to everything that has been uprooted, everything

00:32:55.900 that has been deracinated and diluted and destroyed.

00:32:58.500 Um, so that's one element of it.

00:33:01.260 Second, you know, we want to reclaim our spaces.

00:33:03.760 We want to reclaim the public space.

00:33:05.600 We want to reclaim, um, institutions and, and the institutions that we cannot, um, you

00:33:11.240 know, alter, we, we will abolish and replace, you know, as it says in the declaration. 0.84

00:33:15.180 When, when such systems, when, you know, government becomes harmful to these ends, you

00:33:19.060 know, that you will alter or abolish it.

00:33:21.400 Um, you know, and gradually this is a greater process of reclaiming our identity, reclaiming our

00:33:26.460 culture, reclaiming our name as a nation, um, reclaiming the, the life and dignity of those

00:33:32.280 within the country.

00:33:33.300 Um, and it's very deceptively simple.

00:33:36.240 Um, a lot of what we're doing is just a simple practice.

00:33:39.040 When you really boil it down to the principle of it, what we're doing is we're getting together

00:33:44.320 resources, including manpower.

00:33:46.720 Manpower, manpower is a resource.

00:33:48.220 And we are, we are spending those resources.

00:33:50.920 Time is also a resource to create change in the country.

00:33:54.220 And that change can be in minds, lives or bodies, right?

00:33:57.660 Um, or it can be in spaces.

00:33:58.880 It can be in physical infrastructure, emotion, you know, a social infrastructure or ideological

00:34:03.380 infrastructure.

00:34:04.120 But we, we accumulate resources in the organization and then we spend them to create change.

00:34:08.660 And that change then in turn allows us to collect more resources.

00:34:11.820 And again, time is a resource.

00:34:13.560 Men are a resource, right? 1.00

00:34:15.020 You know, followers on social media are a resource.

00:34:17.080 Money is a resource, all of these things.

00:34:19.400 Um, and we have a very, uh, we are a very circular, spherical, expanding in every direction,

00:34:25.520 a series of tactics that we are trying to reach people.

00:34:29.260 We are trying to find people wherever they are.

00:34:32.200 We are trying to message in every platform we can.

00:34:34.840 Um, and we are also trying to improve the lives of our members in whatever way we can.

00:34:39.280 Members of the organization find themselves, uh, you know, throughout their years of membership

00:34:43.360 being in better shape.

00:34:44.560 They will have traveled to new places.

00:34:46.300 They will have met new people.

00:34:47.520 They may have become better, uh, better patriarchs of their family.

00:34:51.620 They may have even, even met the person that they end up creating a family with.

00:34:55.980 You know, if you go around and you, you become the man that a woman might like to be with,

00:35:00.120 um, you know, and these, uh, they, they could, uh, you know, they could find new jobs.

00:35:05.440 They could, you know, um, they could engage in political work, right?

00:35:09.840 Even of a conventional variety or anything else.

00:35:12.480 Uh, they could be helped in their professions.

00:35:13.980 They could, they could help, uh, you know, people who are growing a homestead or have

00:35:17.260 a property.

00:35:18.080 Great.

00:35:18.500 We have a lot of manpower.

00:35:19.540 And, you know, if we have, we have a community built up, we can help you.

00:35:22.880 Like the Amish. 1.00

00:35:23.940 Yes.

00:35:24.600 Yeah.

00:35:24.840 We're very tech savvy Amish.

00:35:26.020 Um, but no, the, the community and it's a great sign of things.

00:35:28.980 And, um, so we need to change everything about how people live for the better.

00:35:34.320 And we need to reach people however we can, wherever they are.

00:35:37.700 And we need to create a message and change the philosophy.

00:35:40.040 And gradually that over a timescale of small changes creates big changes.

00:35:44.600 And, you know, it's just the matter of what every other group is doing.

00:35:47.620 I think, you know, there is a certain, there's a certain phenomenon in the dissident movement

00:35:52.700 in America where people become somewhat paralyzed, um, about the lack of a plan.

00:35:58.360 You know, you hear people, you know, sometimes asking, say, well, what's the plan?

00:36:01.520 Well, how are we going to do this?

00:36:02.440 How are we going to create these great changes?

00:36:04.280 But the people that are just spoiling our heritage and birthright are not paralyzed in

00:36:08.640 any way.

00:36:09.540 And they have not been, even when it looked, you know, you look at America, you know, 60,

00:36:13.280 80, a hundred years ago and turning it into what it is now could have seemed like

00:36:17.240 this great perilous task.

00:36:18.580 There's no way you could do it, they would say.

00:36:20.680 But when you look at, you know, the, the Sikhs taking over the trucker industry, or you look 1.00

00:36:24.860 at the, um, you know, you look at the, uh, the Indians taking over, or the, the Koreans 0.95

00:36:29.980 taking over the various industries, or you look at the Jews taking over the industry or

00:36:33.360 the institution of Congress, for example, you know, they do not have this problem.

00:36:37.940 They do not have this paralyzing despondency over lack of a plan.

00:36:40.920 What they're doing is just growing and organizing through spaces and finding, finding cracks

00:36:46.740 and opportunities that they can expand within.

00:36:49.380 And it's, it's, it, the principle is simple.

00:36:52.000 They are just attaining whatever they can and using it to create change, but they're

00:36:55.860 creating change for the worse.

00:36:56.900 We want to create change for the better.

00:36:58.340 So the organizing practice, can America be, be reclaimed?

00:37:01.080 Well, it has to be.

00:37:02.360 Um, and that, that's, that's the option for our survival.

00:37:05.720 Um, you know, and a lot is going to change.

00:37:08.000 The future will bring unexpected realities.

00:37:10.660 Oh, yes.

00:37:11.200 However, you know, America has grown in the past.

00:37:13.600 If America needs to shrink, if America needs to change in some, in some facet of, of its

00:37:18.200 tangible reality, then sure it will.

00:37:21.360 But the practice is that the nation is not the outline on the map.

00:37:25.040 The nation is the people and the nation is our connection to this land.

00:37:28.700 Um, and you know, we won't be driven from this land.

00:37:32.120 We will not be separated from our identity and we will not have our bonds to each other and

00:37:37.580 our bonds to our virtues and our morals, uh, you know, corrupted.

00:37:41.240 That is the ultimate practice.

00:37:42.620 And so long as we are resolute in those, those principles, and so long as we, that those

00:37:48.120 things cannot be done to us, then America is to be reclaimed because everybody who does 0.97

00:37:53.240 not hold those will no longer be American.

00:37:55.860 What are you saying to those people that are like, well, the demographics have changed, you

00:37:59.960 know, American nationalism, white nationalism, it would never be possible anymore because of

00:38:05.160 the current demographics.

00:38:07.020 Nationalism was the norm for a great section of human history leading up until very recently.

00:38:12.400 Nationalism is the natural state of things because nations are natural.

00:38:15.660 Nations are, you know, if, uh, if you restarted the world over again and you put people everywhere,

00:38:20.740 you would have nations.

00:38:21.580 They would be different nations, but you would have them. 0.68

00:38:23.600 Um, you know, so because nation, nations are natural, nationalism and natural, and what we

00:38:28.020 do and what we are doing is the baseline reality of human civilization. 0.70

00:38:32.860 So to say that it is impossible, I think is, is ridiculous.

00:38:38.480 And I think those people have been, they've been victim.

00:38:41.720 They've been victimized by the demoralization.

00:38:44.300 And I've already done a lot of things in my organizing that people used to say was impossible.

00:38:49.960 I've already done a lot of things that people say you can't do or that they, you know, maybe

00:38:53.740 they couldn't do them, but somebody can.

00:38:55.940 And the more I progress and the more we grow, I, the more I realized that maybe our situation

00:39:01.200 isn't as hopeless as some people may have led you to believe from behind a keyboard.

00:39:05.220 Maybe there's more and more people.

00:39:06.960 And we run into people every day in completely random places across the country that think

00:39:11.800 like us.

00:39:12.440 It's just a problem of they haven't been introduced to people that act like us.

00:39:17.160 And I'm, you know, I've said it before and I believe it, that if everybody who thought

00:39:21.180 like a nationalist acted like one, we'd have our country tomorrow, right?

00:39:25.020 That's true.

00:39:25.480 The biggest thing people lack is courage.

00:39:27.580 And the biggest element to pursue courage is often by seeing somebody else do it, right?

00:39:33.380 It's contagious.

00:39:34.220 Exactly.

00:39:34.840 So when people say that, I'm utterly and unrepentantly dismissive of people that give me that kind

00:39:41.380 of rhetoric because even if, even in the chance that there's somehow nothing to do, I would

00:39:48.860 rather live my life fighting for what I believe in, live my life fighting for the right thing.

00:39:55.020 You know, you wouldn't tell the soldiers at the Alamo, you know, that, oh, it's so hopeless.

00:39:58.940 It's so hopeless.

00:39:59.580 Because even if you're sacrificing everything, the fact that you sacrifice it for a greater

00:40:04.060 ideal means that your life and death and everything is so much more imbued with value than somebody

00:40:09.540 who lives the life of a coward.

00:40:11.420 Because, you know, living the life of a coward and somebody who does not face evil, especially 0.82

00:40:15.600 there's plenty of evil to face.

00:40:17.060 It's not hard.

00:40:17.940 It'll, it'll come up to you, right?

00:40:19.460 It will find you.

00:40:20.300 Exactly.

00:40:20.640 So it's not, it's not a challenge, you know, facing it is a challenge, but finding it is

00:40:24.280 not, you know, living a life like that is, is, it's not worth it.

00:40:28.600 I think it's just, you know, part of their approach to this is this, well, you know, the

00:40:33.720 system is rigged together, which is true, right?

00:40:35.920 I mean, obviously white people, you know, European stock Americans have a much harder

00:40:40.620 time to, to be allowed to organize in the same way that other ethnic groups do.

00:40:45.300 In many cases, of course, they're getting help and aid and money and resources and they

00:40:49.420 get shooed, you know, a shoo in here and there. 0.53

00:40:51.580 And so all that's true, right?

00:40:53.160 But as you said, it's kind of also, that's almost a design to paralyze you then.

00:40:56.760 Yes.

00:40:56.980 To like, don't even try because it's all already lost, right?

00:40:59.560 It's too hard, you can't do it.

00:41:00.600 No, and it's also important to realize that when we actually engage in organizing and

00:41:06.600 we engage in political spaces, and these, these people are our opponents, we're, I don't

00:41:13.480 mean to sound too egregious here, but we're better than them.

00:41:16.120 We're better than them at what we do, and we're better than them at being Americans. 0.56

00:41:20.080 And, you know, we can, you know, people that defame the organization, people that try to

00:41:24.340 out-organize us, we're at least 10 times more effective per capita, you know, per dollar

00:41:28.980 spent than what they do.

00:41:30.500 When, when we went to DC one time, you know, there was an article, and we spent maybe a

00:41:34.520 few grand on everything to do our march in Washington, and the police department spent

00:41:38.620 somewhere around $3 million. 0.99

00:41:40.440 Holy shit. 0.99

00:41:41.320 So, uh. 1.00

00:41:42.140 That's a win right there.

00:41:42.940 So that's a, that's, that's, that's the dynamic we're dealing with.

00:41:45.600 And when we engage in political messaging, when we do one of these marches, we are achieving

00:41:49.800 levels of virality and, uh, and promotion that could not be paid for with thousands and

00:41:56.120 thousands and tens of thousands of dollars.

00:41:57.940 Of course, it's, you're, we're getting more views in a Superbowl commercial when we go

00:42:01.140 out there and do a big march.

00:42:02.380 So eventually they're going to stop covering it because that has been their tactics, right?

00:42:06.440 Let's just stop covering some of these outlets and some of these people because.

00:42:10.600 Is it a containment strategy, right?

00:42:12.420 To like, they've, I think they, I wonder if they noticed something in 2016, 17, 18, that

00:42:16.700 period where there was a lot of attacks on everyone, all kinds of groups and stuff.

00:42:20.580 And then all of a sudden they're like, kind of this pullback.

00:42:22.860 And it seems that they're kind of more select.

00:42:24.420 I don't know if that's an official policy they have, but it seems to be the case.

00:42:27.460 I don't think it's official.

00:42:28.520 I think to, in order for them to do it fully to an organization of PF size.

00:42:33.540 And since we create, uh, we create spectacles that are really hard to ignore.

00:42:38.420 I think in order for them to do it now, they would need to have a level of ideological discipline,

00:42:43.340 which I would usually not ascribe to the media.

00:42:45.520 I don't think they have that.

00:42:45.720 Yeah, that's true.

00:42:46.380 So I think we've, we've gained this position that we're almost too big to ignore.

00:42:49.880 And I think actually in the last few years, the change, uh, to the overall media landscape

00:42:54.960 where it's not just the mainstream media, it's not just CNN and all that other stuff.

00:42:58.960 Um, you know, the, the spaces on Twitter and all these other platforms have been opened

00:43:02.940 up a lot more now, largely on Twitter or X, it's been opened up to a lot of conservative,

00:43:07.620 uh, conservative controlled pundits, but they're not able to shut up about us.

00:43:12.680 Even when we're not in the news cycle, even when we're not doing anything, they'll, at

00:43:16.240 random posts about us being feds or something other will go viral.

00:43:19.580 Yeah.

00:43:19.780 So no cause of it.

00:43:22.680 They can't help themselves and I don't want them to.

00:43:25.240 Um, and a lot of people, the fed jacketing does backfire too, because not only is it something

00:43:29.980 which can, can be disproven, but it's something which a lot of people first hear about us as

00:43:35.240 them calling us feds.

00:43:36.320 And it's a very inquisitive, it's a mystery, right?

00:43:39.080 So people dig into it.

00:43:40.240 And what do they actually find when they dig into is that we're not.

00:43:42.340 So we've had a lot of people join us and we, and we ask them, we always ask them, how'd

00:43:45.760 you hear about us?

00:43:46.440 You know, what, what was the first thing you heard?

00:43:48.080 And they say, well, it was the media calling you all feds, but I kept digging.

00:43:50.440 And, and I mean, you have this huge, I mean, how many Americans are there who have questioned

00:43:55.120 popular narratives pushed by a lot of people in the media, whether it's about, uh, immigration,

00:44:00.220 whether it's about race being this purely cosmetic factor, you can even go into other, you

00:44:04.080 know, theories, you know, whether the, the, the matters around the JFK files or 9-11, you know,

00:44:08.340 there's a huge segment of the American population who is deeply distrustful when they are told

00:44:12.720 when, you know, the, you know, me thinks they do protest so much that these people are feds,

00:44:17.160 you know, maybe there's something to it.

00:44:18.560 And there's a huge demographic of people that look into that and we see them every day.

00:44:22.020 So how's your vetting?

00:44:22.900 Cause I'm sure they're feds trying to get in there at some point, right?

00:44:26.400 Um, you know, so we ultimately, maybe they learn something, maybe they change, I don't

00:44:29.260 know.

00:44:29.400 So the specific, uh, you know, the, I want, I hope they all change for the better.

00:44:33.400 Uh, so the specifics of our vetting process are of course proprietary and me talking about

00:44:37.520 it on the air would be somewhat, uh, somewhat deleterious in its effectiveness, but, um,

00:44:41.700 you know, we have a comprehensive vetting process.

00:44:43.540 It's always adapting.

00:44:44.560 It's always involving.

00:44:45.440 We're always, we're always improving upon it.

00:44:47.320 Um, and there's several stages to it.

00:44:49.580 Obviously we want to prevent the bad people from even getting in.

00:44:52.560 Um, and you know, if, and then there's, there's layers cause maybe a bad person slips through.

00:44:57.180 So we want to make sure that the bad person can't do that much damage.

00:44:59.860 So you want to prevention, you have, uh, then you have, you want to nullify any bad effects

00:45:04.460 in the organization.

00:45:04.940 We have a strong internal culture.

00:45:06.860 If anybody in the organization starts talking about, Hey, I want to go train with guns, then

00:45:10.720 you are out.

00:45:11.500 That is strange.

00:45:12.240 That stands out like a, like a sore thumb.

00:45:15.260 Um, and you know, any, we have strong rules against violence.

00:45:18.440 We have strong rules against anything to do with drugs.

00:45:20.580 All of our events are dry events.

00:45:22.420 Um, all ever before every demonstration, you know, you're looking at them now before every demonstration,

00:45:26.020 before any of this happens, what you're seeing now, um, we have debriefings, we have, you

00:45:30.880 know, we have lawyers, we plan everything ahead to be absolutely safe, lawful.

00:45:37.240 And, uh, and especially after CDA, you know, the whole argument they made was, Oh, y'all

00:45:41.520 had a conspiracy to riot.

00:45:43.040 And I was like, well, we did conspire to be here, but not to riot.

00:45:45.700 Right.

00:45:45.800 Um, so we make sure to have a very, a very, uh, we have a, we have a conspiracy before

00:45:51.360 we go out and we make sure there's lots of evidence to it.

00:45:53.360 But the trick is the conspiracy is to commit a lot of legal activism, a lot of totally legal

00:45:57.880 organizing.

00:45:58.400 Um, so if anybody comes in afterwards and tries to say, Hey, actually y'all were here

00:46:02.800 to, to attack people.

00:46:04.540 Y'all were here to, to hurt people.

00:46:06.100 Well, well, I have videos of all the briefings and I have everybody raising their hands and

00:46:10.340 saying, I agree.

00:46:11.340 When I talked about how this was going to be a peaceful public assembly for the purpose

00:46:14.380 of redressing our grievances against the government, you know, and all that, uh, no

00:46:17.720 longer cares about us.

00:46:19.220 Um, so we have tons of systems throughout in terms of internal conduct and also the way that

00:46:24.680 we manage these demonstrations so that any attempt to transmute or corrupt the organization

00:46:31.520 or any of its individual functions into something, which is going to result in harm to our people

00:46:36.820 or even to others or random, random pedestrians and onlookers, um, is immediately upon the first

00:46:43.280 step.

00:46:43.840 It is outlandish.

00:46:44.780 It is, it is, it is so alien to our systems that it is called out and, and expunged with

00:46:50.580 has it ever happened?

00:46:51.540 Have you been forced to expel someone from the group?

00:46:53.720 Well, we, yeah, I mean, obviously, uh, throughout the years, we haven't had all the same members

00:46:57.080 as we had back in 2017.

00:46:58.580 Um, you know, people have come and people have gone like, like any entity, you know,

00:47:01.880 the same thing happens in companies and friend groups and bands and everything else that people

00:47:06.240 are in.

00:47:06.860 Um, but we have, I mean, we have, and we are judicious.

00:47:10.600 If anybody says, you know, uh, indicates any sort of, you know, quality that might be prevalent

00:47:14.720 among somebody who is a bad actor or, um, just somebody who doesn't know better, then

00:47:19.800 yeah, they will be first encouraged, you know, depending on the severity of the infraction,

00:47:23.480 of course, they will be encouraged to, uh, change their ways, uh, with, with a very,

00:47:27.840 very due haste.

00:47:29.180 Um, and if they are uninterested or incapable of doing that, then they will be, uh, you know,

00:47:34.100 they will be removed.

00:47:35.340 Um, because ultimately we have to prioritize, you know, like we, we try to act a very solid

00:47:39.880 principle that I always come back to with the organization is we try to act like a good

00:47:43.720 government should.

00:47:44.340 So we prioritize the safety of the whole over allowing the incongruous conduct of any particular

00:47:49.500 individual.

00:47:50.700 Um, you know, so, uh, you know, sure.

00:47:53.040 Some, some people might be saying things which technically you are legally allowed to say

00:47:56.820 per free speech, but you know, the organization has higher standards.

00:48:00.640 Um, so we demand a lot of, uh, a lot of discipline, but the same, you know, that may seem like an

00:48:07.240 inconvenience to some people like, oh, well there's these rules and I'm not allowed to

00:48:10.880 drink and I got to be very orderly and I can't run around in the, in the marches wherever

00:48:14.700 I want to be.

00:48:15.380 But the same thing, that discipline and you're giving, you know, every man gives a little

00:48:20.060 bit into the pot of collective discipline, but at the same time, what you get out of that

00:48:23.720 is entire safety, right?

00:48:26.320 What you get out of that is the safety of your job, the safety of your family, the safety

00:48:29.680 of your legal status, the safety of your physical body, um, and ultimately the safety of your

00:48:35.960 objectives, the safety you have as you meet and conquer these objectives.

00:48:39.160 So it's a very, it's, it's not a trade that takes much thinking in terms of how it happens,

00:48:43.640 but, you know, uh, so vetting is a process which, you know, it goes deep into the organization.

00:48:48.580 You know, you have vetting throughout every stage of membership.

00:48:51.320 Um, and you know, we are, we are very much always concerned with the hygiene of the organization.

00:48:56.020 Um, that's a good thing.

00:48:56.820 Yeah.

00:48:57.220 So can anyone of European stock apply to be a member?

00:49:00.340 Has there ever been a non-European stock application?

00:49:03.500 So, um, what happens then?

00:49:05.260 In order to be a member, you have, you have to be, you know, not only of European stock, but

00:49:09.260 you have to be of American heritage.

00:49:10.460 You know, we've had a few cases where-

00:49:12.420 So Henrik can't join.

00:49:13.640 Well, Europeans can, Europeans can assimilate into being Americans. 0.69

00:49:19.200 I would know.

00:49:19.780 I, you know, I, I have ancestors who did so.

00:49:21.980 Um, but you know, we've had Europeans who are, you know, so to speak, fresh off the boat 1.00

00:49:26.520 and, you know, they still have thick accents.

00:49:27.960 Maybe they don't speak American fully yet.

00:49:29.400 And it's like, okay, I think you need some time.

00:49:30.860 You need some time in the oven.

00:49:32.180 Uh, you know, work on being American and come back to us because it would be in Congress

00:49:36.100 for us to speak-

00:49:36.860 Henrik's like, no, Americans need to work on being European. 0.64

00:49:39.000 Okay.

00:49:39.760 Well, there's a synthesis.

00:49:41.480 America is a European. 0.81

00:49:42.600 We're European-Americans.

00:49:43.320 We're European-Americans.

00:49:44.720 But at the same, but at the same time, um, you know, so yes, any, you know, you have

00:49:48.960 to be of European stock.

00:49:50.300 Um, and, uh, we have had people of, uh, of incongruous, uh, alien races attempt to apply. 0.96

00:49:57.080 They don't make it very far.

00:49:58.000 You'd be surprised.

00:49:58.860 They don't.

00:49:59.620 Um, you know, you-

00:50:00.960 I'm surprised.

00:50:01.740 I'm surprised there's something to try.

00:50:03.480 People are- there's a lot of weirdos out there.

00:50:04.940 Yeah.

00:50:05.560 Um, and you know, obviously you can't, you can't tell everything.

00:50:08.400 I mean, there's just so many strange people in the world.

00:50:11.060 You can't account for anything.

00:50:12.300 Now, it's not common.

00:50:13.300 I mind you.

00:50:13.840 They-

00:50:14.020 Right.

00:50:14.160 They generally get the idea that, no, this isn't for you.

00:50:17.460 Um, but you know, there's-

00:50:18.760 That's what makes them try, though, isn't it?

00:50:21.060 I should be letting everywhere.

00:50:22.640 They want to get in everywhere that people don't want them.

00:50:24.520 Yeah.

00:50:24.680 Um, but there's just so many crazy weirdos in the world that you can't really account

00:50:28.300 for any-

00:50:28.700 For every rule, there's one of those weirdos which will make it an exception.

00:50:31.720 But yeah, those people do not make it far.

00:50:33.560 Sometimes, very rarely, they're even good natures and they're like, oh no, I actually love what

00:50:36.740 you do and I just wish-

00:50:37.580 It's like, that's great.

00:50:38.840 Do it for your own people.

00:50:39.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:40.160 You know, that's great.

00:50:40.660 Do it in your own way, but you know, this is for us and if we allowed people who were

00:50:44.760 not of our race and nation to be in our organization, then we would be compromising on the principle

00:50:51.520 of representative quality, right?

00:50:54.120 Again, act as a good government should.

00:50:55.860 We want to be of the people we are representing, right?

00:50:59.200 If you have a government made up of one people, you know, say Jews and Indians, for example,

00:51:03.980 trying to represent a populace made of other people, for example, Americans, then that's

00:51:08.940 not going to work, right?

00:51:09.940 So we need the ranks of our membership to be of the same culture that we are trying

00:51:14.420 to represent, being the broader nation.

00:51:17.320 And in particular, you know, we not only want to be American, but we want to be more American.

00:51:22.580 We want to be exemplars.

00:51:24.920 We want to be paragons of the American virtues that we are attempting to bring to the fore.

00:51:29.980 So, you know, that's why the ADL and the SPLC, they call our patriotism garish because

00:51:34.640 of course, to somebody like you, yes, it would be.

00:51:37.640 But to us, it just makes sense.

00:51:40.140 No, honestly, when I just squeeze in a question there, Lana, I wanted to, yeah, I guess the

00:51:45.940 foundational myth, right, of America is very important, you know, not only to play on it,

00:51:52.760 but to use the accurate history of it as well, because it's been swapped out, right?

00:51:58.740 It's been injected to this new vision of what America is.

00:52:02.660 And you can, you know, a couple of easy examples to take is Israel Zangwell's idea of the melting

00:52:08.000 pot.

00:52:08.360 I think it was a play initially, and then it was a book or something.

00:52:10.900 And then you have, obviously, Emma Lasser's plaque on the Statue of Liberty, the new Colossus.

00:52:15.180 It's everyone's welcome, everything.

00:52:16.620 Well, that's it.

00:52:17.760 This plaque said it, so.

00:52:19.780 But, you know, and of course, that doesn't make it right nor true, but it's a fact that

00:52:23.220 that's like, you hear that regurgitated by so many people.

00:52:26.080 Well, it was, you know, everyone kind of thing.

00:52:27.980 How do you view that?

00:52:28.600 And like, is that something that needs to be reversed, destroyed, removed?

00:52:33.440 How do you see that?

00:52:34.340 I think the plaque should be melted down and turned into something useful, you know, just

00:52:39.020 literally anything else.

00:52:40.220 Maybe we'll make a spoon out of it.

00:52:42.300 Send it to Israel. 1.00

00:52:43.080 Yes, we'll send it to Israel in the shape of something.

00:52:46.240 But yes, so those things need to be destroyed, not just the physical objects, but the actual

00:52:52.340 ideas behind them.

00:52:53.800 You know, they are defacements.

00:52:55.720 And the idea, especially of the, you know, the huddled masses poem, you know, that is just

00:53:01.640 a plaque.

00:53:02.200 That was never a piece of legislation.

00:53:03.700 The idea that this is one of the sacred documents of American history, absolutely not.

00:53:08.740 You know, that is not in the same stratosphere as the Declaration of Independence, which is

00:53:14.580 dedicated to ourselves and our posterity.

00:53:17.180 The Declaration of Independence, which was written by Thomas Jefferson, who proclaimed 0.85

00:53:21.560 loudly and firmly that, you know, that he advances it, therefore, that blacks are inferior 0.94

00:53:27.900 to whites in the endowments of mind and body. 0.97

00:53:30.380 That's not me.

00:53:31.420 That's what Jefferson said.

00:53:32.460 You know, that's not my quote.

00:53:35.000 But, you know, that's who wrote the Declaration of Independence.

00:53:37.080 The Declaration of Independence talks about, you know, the merciless Indian savages, right? 1.00

00:53:43.140 You know, in the same, you know, constitutional convention that they later had, you know, there

00:53:46.960 was this huge debate about the three-fifths compromise.

00:53:49.900 And no side of that debate was saying, oh, well, we should count the slaves as one whole person

00:53:56.340 for the purpose of dividing representative districts.

00:54:00.660 That's not why they were saying it.

00:54:01.980 They were saying it because they wanted additional representatives in Congress.

00:54:04.960 But no side of that was making any of these crazy liberal arguments that you're saying.

00:54:08.940 You know, these things.

00:54:11.060 And Zangwill, I think he had never actually been to America.

00:54:13.920 He was in Russia.

00:54:14.800 England, I think, right?

00:54:16.120 England, I think he was Russian.

00:54:17.680 Okay, yeah.

00:54:18.220 Well, he wasn't English or he wasn't Russian.

00:54:20.620 No, that's right.

00:54:21.580 Something else.

00:54:23.420 But yes, these elements are so thoroughly foreign to us.

00:54:27.900 And when you, the further you dig into American history, the more you realize that this is

00:54:33.040 an alien component.

00:54:34.420 This is an outside element which has been injected into us, into our society in order

00:54:41.360 to manipulate America by manipulating the identity of its stock.

00:54:47.520 And, you know, America is unique among the European nations.

00:54:49.820 It's even unique among the European diaspora because in Europe, you know, you have these

00:54:55.320 ethnicities and, you know, the European nations are much older.

00:54:58.620 Now, their modern, you know, iterations are, you know, sometimes younger.

00:55:03.300 The modern state of Germany and Italy are younger than the United States.

00:55:07.200 But their, you know, their ethnic, you know, their ethnic tribes are much older in many cases.

00:55:13.180 And even the other countries of the diaspora, you know, like Canada and Australia or the Boers, 1.00

00:55:19.660 for example, are much more singular in what ethnicity they came from.

00:55:23.180 However, America is unique that it is the world's only truly pan-European nation where you had

00:55:30.240 the best stock of Europe, you know, picked from, you know, picked from England, Scotland,

00:55:35.960 Ireland, Denmark, Germany, France, and you took them, and I'm probably missing a few.

00:55:42.320 And, you know, you took this best stock and you put them on a virgin continent and people

00:55:45.980 the whole thing with it.

00:55:47.240 And whereas these European nations have never been fully united in Europe, they were united

00:55:51.840 in America.

00:55:53.220 And this is an immensely powerful heritage.

00:55:55.400 This is something which is so great to be a part of.

00:55:58.600 But it is also something which is extremely thoroughly European.

00:56:02.020 Our conquest was that of the European race. 0.98

00:56:04.720 Our conquest was, you know, was something that was written in the ancient sort of traditions

00:56:12.260 of the Anglo-Saxon people to expand and to create something for their families, for their communities,

00:56:19.900 for, you know, I think Thomas Jefferson wrote it in the summary of British rights of America.

00:56:24.640 You know, for themselves, they conquered.

00:56:27.000 You know, we did not, you know, our ancestors did not stride across the continent for benefit

00:56:32.400 of the British crown.

00:56:34.100 They did it for their families.

00:56:35.500 They did it for their prosperity.

00:56:38.560 And that is, that is the, the nucleus of the American identity.

00:56:42.420 It is the frontier.

00:56:43.500 And the frontier was a space of warfare.

00:56:45.660 It was a space of immensely, you know, gritty and sometimes even savage men, you know, of

00:56:52.480 our own nation who were so, so much stronger and more resolute than a lot of the men you

00:56:58.900 see today.

00:56:59.360 Um, that is the nucleus of the American identity.

00:57:02.300 That's where it's always been.

00:57:04.140 Um, and we had an issue as, as a nation.

00:57:07.800 We had a decline in the potency of our culture when the frontier was closed.

00:57:12.120 Um, and it wasn't far long after that where you started to have a susceptibility to these

00:57:17.620 foreign elements being injected into our country. 0.99

00:57:20.040 Um, but at the same time, we need to seek out the frontier.

00:57:23.840 The frontier is no longer a physical space.

00:57:26.060 It is a space within us.

00:57:27.480 Um, we need to seek out hardship and adventure and it'll be even better because hardship and

00:57:32.700 adventure will be there for the, only the men with the will to find it.

00:57:36.420 The, the men most deserving, um, you know, hardship makes men and most of the men of today,

00:57:42.620 the hardship they are given is corporate servitude or financial, you know, drudgery, right?

00:57:47.960 It is, it is being ground down.

00:57:50.440 It's been ripped away.

00:57:51.520 But it is not the hardship which emboldens your character.

00:57:54.560 It's not, and even the idea you mentioned about the fact that there's like practically

00:57:59.640 no unexplored territory left now.

00:58:02.160 I mean, that's a huge issue in and of itself, right?

00:58:04.120 That they, that was an advantage that they had, right?

00:58:06.700 And it, and it, uh, you could cleanse your thirst for adventure by just like, you know,

00:58:10.640 going to those places essentially.

00:58:12.000 And now everything is mapped and GPS and wifi.

00:58:14.500 I mean, it's very, so where do you go?

00:58:16.360 Right.

00:58:16.600 You know, what's, what's now everyone knows where all the white people live, right? 0.70

00:58:19.480 I mean, that's a problem.

00:58:20.580 They know where to find us.

00:58:21.860 Dang it.

00:58:22.400 Well, the, where do you go is, is the, you know, it's a very, it's a very cynical benefit

00:58:27.020 of the fact that so much of our traditions in history has been forgotten is that we get

00:58:30.080 to rediscover it.

00:58:31.400 Is that we get to find these places again, um, that so much has been lost, but it's all

00:58:37.140 still there to be found.

00:58:38.320 It's in our blood.

00:58:39.420 It's in our country.

00:58:40.420 It's in our traditions and by the mere act of unearthing it, by the act of fighting for

00:58:47.540 our sovereignty, we will prove ourselves capable of exercising it.

00:58:51.780 So you are not a fan of secessionist type of movements, right?

00:58:57.200 I think, yeah, I think ultimately, you know, I, I don't mean to be rude, but I think it's

00:59:01.720 silly in the, in the modern context.

00:59:03.380 I think there are some serious questions as to the validity, both on the, um, at the tactical

00:59:09.160 level, I don't really think there's straightforward steps to, now I think intra-state secession

00:59:14.760 does have some legs in certain parts of the country.

00:59:17.500 There's an interesting, and there's been interesting projects with that about trying

00:59:20.640 to get one state added to another state, but I don't think that's what people-

00:59:22.780 Like greater Idaho.

00:59:23.840 Yes, but I don't think that's what people, you know, what you mean when you say secession.

00:59:26.960 Um, you know, I think tactically there's not a great, there's not a great outlet for

00:59:31.960 state secession, um, especially it's not legal in the modern context.

00:59:36.040 And I think even looking at it traditionally, um, I am questionable as to if it's constitutional.

00:59:41.100 I'm pretty sure once a state has been added to the union, largely that is a kind of a,

00:59:44.720 uh, a no, no take backsies kind of situation, or at least it has been.

00:59:48.900 Um, the Confederacy had a fighting chance with that.

00:59:51.160 They really didn't.

00:59:51.820 And I, I love the history of the South.

00:59:53.560 I'm a Southerner myself.

00:59:54.960 Um, I am, I'm proud that Texas fought for the Confederacy, but at the same time, you know,

00:59:59.080 I think national union, um, you know, was ultimately what had to happen.

01:00:03.620 And as a nationalist, I, I think one of the principles of what a nationalist is, is that

01:00:08.160 I believe the limits of government should extend no lesser and no greater than the boundaries

01:00:14.080 of the nation.

01:00:14.600 So I think the whole American nation needs to be united under a single government, a government

01:00:20.000 that can have state sovereignty, a government that can have division of powers, but ultimately

01:00:24.660 we deserve one government that represents us, right?

01:00:27.980 And that government shouldn't include other people and it shouldn't, and it should include 1.00

01:00:31.260 all of our people.

01:00:32.440 Um, so secession has issues both in tactical outlook, it has issues in the, you know, classical

01:00:39.600 constitutionality of it, and it has issues in the ideological principles of nationalism.

01:00:44.300 Um, I haven't really seen anything that seriously contests these ideas.

01:00:48.500 Um, I know there have been other, you know, and if for nothing else, you know, especially in

01:00:52.860 the region, there have been movements and individuals which have promoted these ideas, but I think

01:00:57.780 those, those practices have proven themselves in the practices that upon which they have been

01:01:03.240 implemented or attempted in the region to be quite, uh, ineffective and even destructive

01:01:07.860 to, you know, think like, okay, the more multiracial America becomes, the more things are just going 0.94

01:01:14.340 to deteriorate, the government's going to weaken, then there's opportunities for people

01:01:18.820 to maybe break away, do something.

01:01:20.440 If you're dealing with, you know, and if we're getting into hypotheticals, then everything's

01:01:23.580 hypothetical, right?

01:01:24.360 We don't know.

01:01:25.320 Yeah.

01:01:25.520 Um, but if you're, if you're speaking of a, of a circumstance in which so much has changed,

01:01:30.280 um, that the United States is practically dissolved already where the, the power and the legislative

01:01:37.240 authority, um, and there's no unified society anymore, then things could break up.

01:01:42.780 Things could change.

01:01:43.840 Borders could change at that point.

01:01:45.480 Exactly how it would be pure theory to guess.

01:01:49.300 Um, but, um, and I, would you call that secession?

01:01:52.860 It could be secession.

01:01:53.780 You could call it balkanization, but that is possible only through a great list of hypothetical

01:02:02.040 scenarios, which I don't see as immediate or guaranteed.

01:02:06.380 Um, I think very much like mass deportations, you know, think we're going to be getting that

01:02:10.060 either.

01:02:10.560 I will eventually it will happen.

01:02:12.420 It has to, um, it has to, yeah.

01:02:13.900 Well, I think, um, you know, if you're dealing with, if you're talking about the Trump administration,

01:02:16.820 I think it's, it's very complex.

01:02:18.500 You're speaking about machinations within an incredibly complex governmental institution

01:02:24.120 or a number of institutions.

01:02:26.400 And, you know, so much corruption has been calcified around the levers of power that even if people

01:02:33.160 in the Trump administration, and I'm sure there are some, um, even plenty of them actually

01:02:37.480 want to deport all the illegals. 1.00

01:02:38.780 I'm sure some of them really do.

01:02:40.760 Um, I'm sure a lot of them are just there, you know, thinking that, oh, well, I want to

01:02:45.860 get elected in four, eight, 12 years, so we better keep all the illegals here so I can 1.00

01:02:50.020 get elected on them being a problem.

01:02:51.700 But, um, I'm sure it runs the whole spectrum.

01:02:55.120 Uh, however, I think, uh, I think with mass deportations, it's, it's entirely possible that

01:03:00.880 some good things happen.

01:03:01.720 I want to, I want to be hopeful that, that good things can happen.

01:03:05.180 Um, you know, and, and, you know, I hope, I hope that there's people out there other

01:03:08.180 than Patriot Front who want good things to happen for America and are actually capable

01:03:11.400 of solving it.

01:03:12.220 But, um, you know, my stance always with Trump, I mean, even going all the way back to 2017,

01:03:16.080 it's been, you know, I don't support him.

01:03:18.820 Uh, I don't, I'm not a conservative and a lot of Trump supporters don't like me.

01:03:22.580 And you know what?

01:03:23.020 That's just fine with them.

01:03:24.460 However, you know, I'm not going to make it my number one MO to hate Trump or try to sabotage

01:03:31.440 the administration, um, because I think what's important is representing who and what a

01:03:36.380 nationalist is in our context.

01:03:38.140 And I think, you know, the, the Trump, you know, the Trumpian administration and a lot

01:03:42.240 of the false conservatism and even the genuine conservatism, which is still not nationalism.

01:03:45.940 I think that is a great foil to nationalism and its success, um, can sometimes help the

01:03:52.780 nationalist movement if we are properly positioned to take advantages of, um, of changes for the

01:03:58.820 better, or we are there to make sure that, you know, conservatives who have been exploited,

01:04:03.480 conservatives who have been lied to, they are introduced to new ideas that help them

01:04:08.180 to rectify their misunderstandings of the world.

01:04:10.820 Because, um, you know, for what we are nationalists, again, we are not conservatives.

01:04:15.440 However, a lot of our membership were conservative at some point in their development.

01:04:19.820 I think, I think that applies to a lot of the listeners to the show maybe as well.

01:04:22.720 Um, you know, so probably there are more, there are more formal, former conservatives among

01:04:28.160 the audience than there might be former Marxists.

01:04:30.500 Right.

01:04:31.040 We might, one might hope.

01:04:32.380 Yeah.

01:04:32.520 So, you know, it is a practice of how can we, how can we meet them along the way?

01:04:37.220 Right.

01:04:37.540 Right.

01:04:37.720 How can we find them and how can we make sure, because back in the day in 2017, you used

01:04:41.360 to talk about the, uh, the libertarian to alt-right pipeline.

01:04:43.740 You know, that was a huge deal, but, uh, it wasn't actually a pipeline because pipelines are

01:04:47.520 organized.

01:04:48.340 Pipelines have way stations, you know, pipelines have engineers.

01:04:50.780 It was like accidental almost.

01:04:52.180 Yes.

01:04:52.880 So what, what, you know, that was more like a, like a river.

01:04:55.700 It was a watershed.

01:04:56.380 It was very disorganized.

01:04:57.240 But what if we had those and they were actually functioned like pipelines?

01:05:00.280 What if, what if nationalism had proper outreach strategies, um, around the political landscape

01:05:05.860 in order to facilitate the people recruiting?

01:05:07.860 Because, because other, other ideologies have, right?

01:05:10.320 Yeah.

01:05:10.580 The left does a great job of picking people up and radicalizing them and moving them wherever

01:05:14.560 they want to be.

01:05:15.060 Yeah.

01:05:15.200 It's so important because I meet so many conservatives, even around here.

01:05:18.760 They're so close.

01:05:20.340 They're so close to getting it.

01:05:21.960 They just need a few other thoughts interjected to just make it like click in their head.

01:05:27.420 You know, surgical operations to try to target and deconst, if, if your interest is to like

01:05:32.840 try to convert these people.

01:05:33.820 In, in conservative areas.

01:05:34.940 If it is, but you know, yeah.

01:05:36.380 Because ultimately, right?

01:05:37.340 You want, you want to also win people over, right?

01:05:40.120 You want more, more people.

01:05:41.520 You want numbers.

01:05:42.280 And it gets me through the question of the, of the size of America.

01:05:45.140 The, if you see, is, I mean, what, what, what is the white, does anyone have an action number? 0.87

01:05:51.300 Well, what's the European stock in America?

01:05:53.800 How many white people?

01:05:54.520 Something million?

01:05:55.560 What could it be that?

01:05:56.400 Or is it less than that?

01:05:57.800 I mean, it's 300 million people.

01:05:58.320 Okay.

01:05:58.560 But regardless.

01:05:59.140 It's around there.

01:05:59.880 That's a lot of, that's, you know, that's a lot of people, right?

01:06:03.120 And, uh.

01:06:03.720 It's a lot of potential.

01:06:04.560 A lot of potential because of that too.

01:06:06.300 But also a lot of then disagreements or other groups that have, you know, whole power, jockeying for power and all that.

01:06:11.040 But you don't need every single one of them.

01:06:12.480 No, you don't.

01:06:13.140 And it's not my argument either.

01:06:14.600 But just this idea of like, you know, how do you try to bring that together?

01:06:18.680 And, you know, sure, Russia is a big country.

01:06:20.840 What is that?

01:06:21.180 Hundred something, 120 million there.

01:06:23.340 Significantly less, yes.

01:06:24.020 China is a big country.

01:06:25.360 But these are new.

01:06:26.400 Like you're seeing these new formations in order to just kind of compete on the global stage, right?

01:06:30.800 Which is understandable.

01:06:32.200 Yes.

01:06:32.380 But then at the same time, the larger you grow, you lose the margins, you lose the seams, and things are very easily able to fall apart, right?

01:06:40.900 It's so hard to have so unifying ideas for millions, you know, hundreds of millions of people, right?

01:06:47.880 Yes.

01:06:48.140 How do you view that?

01:06:49.200 So I think, you know, the idea, and this is actually a very interesting question, because the idea of is the country too big?

01:06:56.700 Is America too big?

01:06:57.620 Is this scale of a country able to be governed in the way that it should be?

01:07:03.060 And, of course, talking about classical, you know, ideal American government.

01:07:07.280 This is something that the founders debated.

01:07:08.900 This is something that was debated around the time where the Constitution was being drafted and ratified.

01:07:13.820 You know, and it was the idea of, well, a republic, you know, has only existed on something the size of, you know, a few Greek islands, right?

01:07:20.240 Right.

01:07:20.380 Or has only existed on the size of the Italian peninsula.

01:07:22.580 How can we possibly expand it over a whole continent?

01:07:25.100 And, you know, the answer of, you know, founding fathers like John Dickinson and John Jay was, well, we will be homogeneous.

01:07:32.720 We'll be as homogeneous as Athens, but as large as Europe.

01:07:35.600 And that did happen.

01:07:39.420 That was the case for a long time.

01:07:41.820 And we had a special form of government which had, you know, it had branches.

01:07:45.860 It had corrections.

01:07:46.940 It had, you know, a very powerful constitution, more powerful than most of those in Europe, that would prevent, you know, quick and radical changes which could, you know, be taken advantage of by a tyrant or something.

01:07:59.320 And it's very easy to look at our history as a nation and think of, oh, well, you know, I wish I was in that room when they were signing this.

01:08:07.800 I wish I was there.

01:08:08.720 I wish I could, you know, grab, you know, Lyndon Johnson by his big swaffy ears and swing him out of the window of the Oval Office.

01:08:15.400 I'm sure we all feel that from time to time.

01:08:17.240 But at the same time, you know, it's important to realize that things could have been a lot worse.

01:08:23.780 And, you know, our ancestors were smart.

01:08:26.080 Our ancestors were very capable men, you know, by and large, especially the heroes of them.

01:08:30.240 You know, they faced great challenges, and they did not have the benefit of living in the future, right?

01:08:35.520 So, you know, in a lot of ways, things could have been much worse if not for the gallantry of our ancestors and fighting for the preservation.

01:08:44.000 But, you know, again, the question of is America too great?

01:08:47.080 No.

01:08:47.980 No, it is not.

01:08:49.000 I mean, now does the government govern over too many incongruous peoples? 0.97

01:08:53.040 Absolutely.

01:08:53.480 But the principle of the nation, we are capable of being unified as an American people across the continent.

01:08:59.700 We are capable of having – we have a core principled model of republican government which is capable of facing the challenges of governing over such a large space.

01:09:09.580 And this was decided, you know, hundreds of years ago.

01:09:13.740 But it is incapable in the current status because too many people can vote, because NGOs have too much power, because the branches of government are filled with cowards and criminals.

01:09:25.700 But there is a bone marrow to it.

01:09:29.180 There is a strength in the core principles, and it is possible.

01:09:33.220 And moreover, as a nationalist, I both have the principle that all Americans must be unified in common cause, but I also have the practical experience that I can bring men together from New Hampshire and Virginia and Florida and Mississippi, Kansas, Montana, North Dakota, California, Arizona.

01:09:53.300 And I can get them all in the same field together, and their boots fall in step.

01:09:57.460 It works.

01:09:58.460 It's possible.

01:09:59.180 Do you ever see the geography just because of the distances alone?

01:10:02.060 That's hard to keep it in place?

01:10:05.020 Logistically, it is a challenge, but I'm happy for it.

01:10:07.360 And it's not as much of a challenge as one might think.

01:10:10.140 Just like anything, a logistical, tactical challenge can be overcome with the proper amount of vigilance, diligence, and elbow grease.

01:10:17.100 And I think it's great.

01:10:18.060 I mean, I crisscrossed the continent, as you all know.

01:10:21.340 And, you know, when you're a member of Patriot Front, the country gets a lot smaller, right?

01:10:25.160 Everything becomes a lot more in focus, and it becomes a lot more attainable to get where you need to go.

01:10:29.400 And a lot of people join the organization having not been to a lot of the states regularly, you know, in the travel parties when we're road tripping out to someplace.

01:10:36.080 And it's fun.

01:10:37.380 You know, I'll say, hey, raise your hand if you've ever been to Missouri, if you've ever been to D.C., if you've ever been to, you know, New York City.

01:10:42.860 I remember when we were doing our New York demo.

01:10:44.440 Maybe one or two of the guys that have actually been there.

01:10:45.500 So overrated, man.

01:10:46.380 New York.

01:10:47.260 Well, it's great for activism.

01:10:49.720 I'll give it that.

01:10:50.060 Yeah, it's good for that.

01:10:51.480 But, you know, and very often they haven't.

01:10:54.200 So the organization facilitates a lot of these things.

01:10:57.460 You know, the country isn't too large in principle.

01:10:59.160 I think it is overblown in scope and practice.

01:11:02.040 But, you know, just like the end of the manifesto says, you know, at the very – the previous era has been spent broadening and diluting what it means to be an American.

01:11:10.980 But what we are doing is we are refining it.

01:11:13.140 We are purifying it.

01:11:14.180 We are creating something which is more distilled, more functional, more vivacious.

01:11:18.240 Yeah, I wanted to ask you about if you're following anything in terms of what – there's been an interesting kind of spat, right, recently between Europe or maybe EU is a better term because, of course, those are two different things.

01:11:30.100 Yes.

01:11:30.300 But, you know, the current White House and it seems to be more of a kind of a dislodging in policy towards Europe.

01:11:37.040 And, of course, there's been numerous examples why.

01:11:39.560 You know, the Ukraine war, the funding for that, the Zelensky debacle in the White House, tariff trade war, even the Greenland purchase slash annexation kind of thing as well.

01:11:48.960 I'm not sure if you keep keeping up with any of that.

01:11:50.660 I am.

01:11:51.100 Because, again, you know, there's a shared common heritage there and, ideally, these are Europeans that could cooperate, right?

01:11:58.200 Yes.

01:11:58.320 But then at the same time, you do have an institution or a government, an institution in America.

01:12:03.560 Yes.

01:12:04.260 With all this – you know, let's take one example, the Doge stuff, right?

01:12:07.340 Yes.

01:12:07.500 They start exposing USAID, how they're funding, like, you know, tranny theaters in, you know, Kosovo or something. 1.00

01:12:13.540 You know, like weird things like this.

01:12:14.840 Cutting that was the right thing to do.

01:12:16.300 Obviously, obviously, right?

01:12:17.480 And even the NATO thing, the spending on that and TIFIs back and forth and whatnot.

01:12:22.280 I think momentarily, at least, it might be a good thing for them to dislodge more of that and hopefully they can strengthen on their own and in future have some type of cooperation more.

01:12:33.160 But currently, I think, you know, them separating, so to speak, would be a better – what's your view on that?

01:12:38.000 Yeah, so it's a very complicated geopolitical thing.

01:12:41.300 You know, I currently do not have any legislative authority to deal with U.S. foreign policy.

01:12:45.660 Well, you should.

01:12:46.240 Yeah, I'm working on it.

01:12:48.060 They make it difficult, you know.

01:12:49.660 They don't just let you walk in.

01:12:52.480 So, yes, I do think that as a – you know, the nations of the European race, we share a common kindred spirit.

01:13:00.460 But at the same time, we aren't completely analogous to each other.

01:13:02.900 And there – you know, goodness knows there have been times in history where European nations do not agree, even to the point of fighting one another.

01:13:08.540 It's actually most of European history.

01:13:10.480 But that's okay.

01:13:11.520 That's how nations work.

01:13:12.480 But, you know, we do have something common amongst each other that we do not share with other nations.

01:13:18.000 And I do think America should be a friend to Europe.

01:13:20.200 I think America should – you know, especially, you know, the nations from which Americans draw ancestry.

01:13:25.580 We should treat them with a degree of reverence as our former homelands, whereas now we have a new one.

01:13:33.040 But at the same time, you know, when you're dealing with very complex questions of, you know, military strategy and trade, you know, and trade relations and all of these other matters, it is incredibly dynamic.

01:13:46.020 I do think a lot of people – you know, there are so many people pulling at these institutions because they have – because they're all invested, right?

01:13:53.080 There are so many people who have –

01:13:53.720 There are so many lobbyists and if so many people – and especially with the war going on, and I think the war is a tragedy.

01:14:01.180 It is horrific to think about all of the European men and women and children who have been killed, murdered, displaced, who are starving, who are suffering from disease in these countries.

01:14:14.040 It is just how much good all of those – I think have a million people died yet?

01:14:21.420 Yeah, at least I think if you count both sides.

01:14:24.640 As an organizer of men and, you know, as somebody who – I know the men are organized and, you know, and I'm always fighting for more.

01:14:31.960 You know, I know how scarce and valuable a resource, you know, our European men of fighting stock are.

01:14:38.460 To see that destruction of that is absolutely horrific and I think I understand it in a way that I think a lot of people don't and, you know, as a leader myself.

01:14:48.600 But I hope that comes to an end as soon as possible.

01:14:51.340 But how does the U.S. do that?

01:14:53.320 You know, I think trying to be a peace broker instead of an arms dealer is a good step.

01:14:57.720 But, you know, the fact that, you know, getting Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting each other, the fact that that's not easy is not surprising.

01:15:05.320 No.

01:15:05.380 And moreover, there are so many European nations which not only have a very genuine oppositional – you know, they have very genuine distaste for Russia.

01:15:14.960 But they also – there are so many people who would benefit from a war.

01:15:18.920 There are so many people.

01:15:20.000 And not the people, of course.

01:15:21.200 No.

01:15:21.380 Not the populace.

01:15:22.460 But, you know, the people who own the factories, the people who are selling the missiles, the people who are making the drones, the people, the politicians who would love to revoke the freedoms and liberties that those nations still maintain.

01:15:34.480 I mean under wartime conditions.

01:15:36.400 You know, if it were up to me, of course, America would be a friend to Europe, but we wouldn't be attached into every rivalry.

01:15:46.880 You know, I kind of follow the traditional principle of the Monroe Doctrine, of George Washington's farewell address, and of Charles Lindbergh, you know, the famed aviator and the initiator of America first, right?

01:15:58.860 He loved his European heritage.

01:16:00.960 He loved Europe.

01:16:01.720 He traveled across Europe.

01:16:02.640 But at the same time, he didn't think America should be fighting all of their wars.

01:16:05.580 And I think had America maybe been less involved in certain European conflicts in the past, both them and us would be in a better situation.

01:16:15.000 And I think that today, you know, when you go back and you read Lindbergh's speeches, you know, Patriot Front, we have copies of Lindbergh's speeches that we send out to all the members, and we send them out around the country, you know, like through our activism.

01:16:27.200 You know, reading that and thinking about the current conflicts in Europe, you know, when he was, you know, very oppositional to World War II, there's so many similarities.

01:16:34.820 And there's even similarities to what's going on in Israel and Gaza.

01:16:38.780 You know, so, you know, again, our ancestors were smart men, right?

01:16:42.000 They were just lived in different times.

01:16:44.460 So, yeah, America, a friend to Europe, but perhaps not an entangled ally.

01:16:49.440 Yeah, because I think I pulled out, I think it was from the Monroe Doctrine, it was, what was the passage?

01:16:56.320 Key points was the U.S. would not interfere in political affairs of Europe, right?

01:16:59.720 And that's why I'm talking about that dislodging, right?

01:17:01.560 Yes.

01:17:01.780 It would be better for Americans to have less of that, you know, meddling going on.

01:17:06.780 Perhaps.

01:17:07.400 Because at the same time, we're all kind of inflicted by the same problem. 0.72

01:17:10.020 Most European nations' leaders are corrupted. 0.88

01:17:13.900 They are self-serving. 0.83

01:17:15.800 They serve foreign interests in some regards.

01:17:17.700 And the same, you know, we share much of the same infliction.

01:17:20.420 And so, you know, America's official foreign policy towards Europe is not really that of what American people would actually want it to be.

01:17:27.500 No, and perhaps if America becomes a little bit more isolationist, which it seems to be trying in every country but Israel.

01:17:34.220 It's funny.

01:17:34.580 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:35.500 But it could allow Europe to assert itself in an industrial capacity and also to achieve more of its own sphere of influence,

01:17:43.060 which could be helpful in the long run for nationalist movements in Europe.

01:17:46.800 Because the politicians would have to start making overtures about, hey, we need to assert ourselves as our own country and not, hey, we need to lobby for another country to help pay all of our bills.

01:17:56.200 So that could be a good thing.

01:17:58.000 It could accelerate certain conflicts.

01:18:00.280 You know, the theorizing about hypotheticals of global geopolitical strategy are a little bit outside of my usual pay grade, unfortunately.

01:18:08.920 But, you know, the principles I follow are those that America should be a friend to the world but an ally to none and a great friend to Europe.

01:18:18.480 Yeah, yeah, indeed.

01:18:19.900 A few more questions here.

01:18:21.280 Let's hit it.

01:18:21.660 So, obviously, voting isn't working.

01:18:25.920 So what should we be focusing on?

01:18:27.660 Kind of building a parallel society?

01:18:30.460 Yes.

01:18:30.800 A folk first society? 0.95

01:18:31.880 What?

01:18:32.240 Definitely folk first. 0.97

01:18:33.380 Folk first. 0.98

01:18:34.300 Not less.

01:18:35.020 Some smart people have been using that slogan lately.

01:18:37.660 So, you know, we can't vote our way out of our problems, but we can organize our way out of them.

01:18:44.520 That is something which, you know, Americans are really good at, and Europeans are especially very good at.

01:18:49.720 We can take people, we can take resources, we can work them to solve problems, and that's what organizing is.

01:18:56.420 Electorally, a purely electoral political strategy will not achieve the results we want.

01:19:00.620 You might, theoretically, in some circumstances, be able to achieve some results of a positive nature with it, maybe in the local level, maybe random offices that aren't that well defended.

01:19:09.660 That's possible.

01:19:10.680 That's not going to be a comprehensive winning strategy for you.

01:19:14.680 So what you need to do is you need to employ, you know, again, I'm biased.

01:19:17.940 I think Patriot Front's doing it.

01:19:19.500 You know, we need to employ a wide array of tactics, which all have a uniting strategy, and that needs to be everything that the organization does.

01:19:27.880 We do charity work, we improve people physically, we improve people educationally, you know, we create mass media, you know, marketing promotion, we do everything we can do.

01:19:40.280 We do everything we can do to change people's lives at every level that we can find them and every level that we can achieve entry into these institutions and physical spaces or, you know, or social spaces or pieces of infrastructure that we can attain and then utilize for change.

01:19:53.640 And conventional politics and electoral strategy doesn't need to be forever divorced from that.

01:20:01.360 I think there are ways to engage in that.

01:20:04.220 And if I was to run for president, which I can't do until I'm 35 anyways, but if I was to run, you know, my first objective would be to try to win.

01:20:11.960 Of course, that's a given.

01:20:13.480 But the second very close objective, seeing as I might not win, who knows a lot could change, but seeing as I might not win, my second close objective would be using that as a means to reach people.

01:20:25.800 Because a lot of people out there who are not acquainted with nationalist or revolutionary ideas, they, when you're trying to explain, you know, revolutionary activism and organizing, building communities, it's a little bit hard sometimes to get the point across because it is abnormal.

01:20:39.880 It should be, it should be the normal, but it is unusual to somebody who is totally unacquainted with these things.

01:20:44.100 But if you tell somebody, oh, I'm running for office, they get that, right?

01:20:46.840 That just clicks, right?

01:20:47.840 Now, of course, they don't know that one of those is effective and the other one isn't, but you can use one of them to introduce them to the broader span of the other, right?

01:20:56.280 And electoral politics are where a lot of people are, and you need to get them to where they need to be.

01:21:02.960 So sometimes stepping into the room of where your people are in order to escort them to where they need to be could be a valuable tactic.

01:21:10.300 But again, you know, if I was running for president, you know, besides trying to win, what I would really be trying to do is reach people and create and allow them to help work with my extra political strategies.

01:21:20.740 Yeah, so again, people have it wrong, right?

01:21:23.420 They think this is going to be a top-down solution, which you guys are doing as the right approach, not only building men up, but doing it from the bottom up, right?

01:21:30.320 And I think that's the only way.

01:21:33.240 I mean, as you mentioned before, the corruption of the system.

01:21:36.680 And again, even if you get a White House administration next, the permanent government is always there.

01:21:41.040 The NGOs are there.

01:21:42.200 The whole infrastructure around, it's so rotten to the core.

01:21:45.360 Our people are not ready for a nationalist president because we haven't done enough work to deserve one yet.

01:21:53.380 You know, there is so much wrong that it needs to be confronted at the very deep levels.

01:21:59.020 The demographic America needs most, we cannot recruit, but we must create, right?

01:22:04.260 There are men out there who will be the statesmen of tomorrow, but right now they are young.

01:22:08.740 Right now they need the experience, they need the lives.

01:22:11.560 You know, some of the most famous, you know, Americans like, you know, Theodore Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson and even George Washington, you know, they had lives of struggle and contest where they were, you know, they were frontiersmen.

01:22:23.000 They grew up in log cabins.

01:22:24.340 They had to climb the ranks, you know, through the military and through, you know, Andrew Jackson was a lawyer and then a judge and then he was a general.

01:22:31.380 And then he was, and then he was president, you know, we need to build up our next generation of statesmen through the hardship and through the trials of our politics because only within our politics can men find the proper strife, the proper struggles, the proper opposition that will shape them into the men that America will need.

01:22:52.120 Now, exactly what roles they might be filling, you know, will that be the role of generals or judges or statesmen or what have you or community leaders?

01:23:01.880 I'm not sure, but right now what we need to do is be building them and to be creating spaces that will become incubators for the leaders of tomorrow.

01:23:09.980 Yeah, I think you, I mean, you touched on this earlier, but you talked about your Boy Scout experience and stuff like that too.

01:23:14.320 But just like vital things of how, when boys turn into men, how those are missing, right?

01:23:21.640 There's no initiation type of things that you're reborn into a life as a man, largely anymore.

01:23:27.380 It's not, you know, and so that you have arrested development and all that stuff.

01:23:30.400 You have to build this.

01:23:31.700 Now, the plus side, of course, with the times that we're in generally in most Western countries, I'd say, is we're kind of, we are whether we want to or not being served up with some of those hardships right now.

01:23:41.800 And it might, you know, because I think complacency is an enemy, right?

01:23:45.560 Comfort is an enemy, and it will just make us weaker and softer and more dependent on external, you know, governance and authority to step in and say, we got this for you.

01:23:55.880 Just relax.

01:23:56.580 Don't do anything.

01:23:57.240 Don't try harder.

01:23:58.300 You know, you're just like, you're great just as you are.

01:24:01.000 So the challenges are key.

01:24:03.780 And luckily, I think we live in a time where that's on the rise again, right?

01:24:08.260 We're kind of forced to step up.

01:24:10.120 Either we make this, right, we succeed, or we break, essentially.

01:24:15.100 Someday, they may regret giving us such dire cause to innovate.

01:24:18.980 Right.

01:24:19.460 And I certainly hope that they do.

01:24:20.940 Yeah, that's true.

01:24:22.480 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:24:24.360 Religion.

01:24:25.100 Yeah, that's one thing I'm going to ask you.

01:24:26.600 Yeah, go ahead.

01:24:26.940 We're never supposed to talk about religion in politics, but of course, you know, what else is there?

01:24:30.700 I talk about it frequently.

01:24:31.760 No, no, you know, no questions are off limits.

01:24:34.760 Let's hear it.

01:24:35.040 So religion within the organization.

01:24:37.100 Yes, okay.

01:24:37.660 So the organization itself is secular, right?

01:24:41.000 The organization does not have an official religion, you know, that we try to enforce

01:24:45.120 upon a membership because I do try to follow the traditional American principle of religious

01:24:49.480 liberty, but I follow it in the context in which the founders meant it, which is those

01:24:54.320 of European stock and high moral character.

01:24:56.880 So necessarily, we only allow those of faiths, which pretty much exclusively falls into Christianity

01:25:03.380 and paganism.

01:25:05.260 And that's, you know, European paganism, often Germanic in nature.

01:25:09.100 And, you know, the sects of Christianity, which usually in the organization is split up between

01:25:13.540 those who are Protestant and Catholic, you know, and in that you have the Lutherans and we have

01:25:17.600 some Mormons too.

01:25:18.320 But, you know, that is allowed because those faiths are European in character and also in

01:25:25.120 line with our moral practices.

01:25:26.460 Not everybody who follows those religions is in line with our moral principles as the 1.00

01:25:29.820 organization, but the ones who are led in are, right?

01:25:33.500 And, you know, though the organization is secular, its membership is religious and they

01:25:36.900 largely fall into those categories.

01:25:37.940 And we have members who are not religious at all or in general, which is fine as well. 0.99

01:25:41.380 You know, so we allow that, but we also facilitate religious expression where we can.

01:25:47.140 Recently, we published a video, which was a group prayer, which was held after our March

01:25:52.280 for Life, you know, rally outside in D.C.

01:25:56.940 And in other cases, you know, when we are being hosted on somebody's land and they, you know,

01:26:02.480 they follow, you know, European paganism, we have had ceremonies there.

01:26:07.300 And in all these cases where these ceremonies are taking place, whether it's a group prayer

01:26:11.840 or it's a bloat, not everybody has to participate.

01:26:14.660 That's right.

01:26:15.220 But everybody has to, but if you are not going to participate, we ask that you are at least

01:26:18.860 respectful.

01:26:19.440 Yeah.

01:26:19.680 And they are.

01:26:20.740 And we really do not suffer from any infighting or conflict of this.

01:26:24.540 You know, you hear online, and I see it from time to time, people talking about division

01:26:27.400 between these groups and even between Christian denominations, which of course is, you know,

01:26:31.440 they've only been fighting for a few thousand years.

01:26:33.980 It's not a new thing.

01:26:34.520 You're not going to solve that.

01:26:35.600 But, you know, when I see these things, I look around in the organization, it's like,

01:26:39.620 I think we're good.

01:26:40.840 You know, we have a really solid principle structure that we are able to navigate and

01:26:45.540 include people of these different faiths without it being a large issue because we have so much

01:26:49.600 that unites us.

01:26:50.540 Not only are the people.

01:26:51.180 That's not the foundation of the group.

01:26:53.840 The organization is not a really good group.

01:26:55.100 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:55.860 And I am able to effectively represent all of them, right?

01:26:59.900 You know, just again, like a good government should.

01:27:01.860 But I look at all these people, and I hear all of their needs and interests equally, right?

01:27:07.100 And I am able to represent all of them and their interests, and I facilitate the expression.

01:27:12.400 And, you know, everybody works together.

01:27:14.300 And the benefit is we have the American tradition and history to back up what we're doing, which,

01:27:19.420 you know, helps since we happen to be patriots.

01:27:21.340 You know, so, I mean, it's great.

01:27:24.000 And I think it's really interesting because I love learning about, you know, what these

01:27:27.900 men believe and their, you know, their theology and the way they have come to these experiences.

01:27:33.140 And I think broadly, you know, a lot of young guys are getting more religious because, you

01:27:38.100 know, whether they're getting into paganism or Catholicism or orthodoxy or, you know, Christianity

01:27:43.140 in general or anything, it's because I think there's a huge desire to find the old ways,

01:27:48.220 to find the traditions, to look back and say, well, I, you know, I'm so alienated.

01:27:53.140 You know, I have nothing in my community that is giving me purpose or broader meaning.

01:27:56.880 So I'm going to look sometimes as far back as I can, right?

01:28:00.540 You know, I'm going to look thousands of years ago and see how people worked it out there.

01:28:04.500 And that is a very interesting phenomenon.

01:28:06.840 I think it does bode well for nationalism, looking back at the principles and the, you know,

01:28:11.600 the ancient virtues of civilization.

01:28:14.180 Yeah, you've got the legitimacy of history in a way, right?

01:28:17.280 You have that to stand on and men have done it before you and all that stuff.

01:28:20.980 But one of the things I want to ask you about as well is, you kind of addressed some of this

01:28:24.440 already, obviously, but just the long-term, you know, goal for Patriot Front and what would

01:28:29.060 you, what would you like to see the organization evolving into?

01:28:32.620 And obviously an interesting extension to that, again, hypotheticals, but it's interesting to

01:28:35.840 hear your thoughts on it.

01:28:37.040 If, let's say resources and manpower wasn't an issue, you know, where would you like to see

01:28:43.160 it go?

01:28:43.900 Well, I'd like to have a 51st state on the moon.

01:28:46.580 Resources were not an issue.

01:28:48.760 So, you know, largely speaking, everything that the organization does, you know, benefits

01:28:52.300 from being scalable, right?

01:28:53.820 We have a lot of networks, you know, we have 22 networks right now all across the country

01:28:57.500 and that encompasses almost the entire continent, except for a few stubborn spots, but we're

01:29:02.300 working on it and they won't last long.

01:29:03.680 Um, so, but the benefit is whenever one network accomplishes something or achieves a new method,

01:29:09.980 tactic, you know, tactic, or, you know, employs a strategy to, to success, then, um, then we

01:29:15.440 are able to replicate that across the country.

01:29:17.780 Um, you know, so what would, uh, the, you know, the answer is kind of what would one network

01:29:21.680 do?

01:29:21.920 Well, what would 20 of them do, right?

01:29:23.520 Um, what would 10 men do?

01:29:24.900 Well, what would a hundred of them do?

01:29:26.100 Um, and we've already scaled up a lot of things because a lot of the change that we are trying

01:29:29.540 to implement, you know, can be summarized as a lot of small changes yielding to big

01:29:33.480 ones.

01:29:34.140 Um, and those changes can be in the lives of individual men, or they can be in, you know,

01:29:37.600 the accomplishments of certain forms of activism or charity.

01:29:40.320 Um, you know, if, you know, five, 10 years down the line, I hope to, you know, five times,

01:29:45.500 10 times everything we're doing, which would in turn create five, you know, it would have

01:29:48.660 five to 10 times as many people and five to 10 times as much change yielding to five to

01:29:53.600 10 times as many broader supporters, you know, knowing and changing things.

01:29:58.040 And then the country is moving that much more in our direction.

01:30:00.600 You know, it's a thing I said in a video that we want to make the country more like we like

01:30:03.860 it and less like we don't, you know, which is, you know, it's, it's, it's the bare bones

01:30:07.140 simplicity of it.

01:30:08.200 But, um, you know, if resources and manpower weren't an issue, well, you know, the, well,

01:30:12.780 the organization would have already won because we have this, we have this, we have this,

01:30:15.840 uh, that we haven't, we're in touch with infinity at that point.

01:30:18.060 But, um, you know, the ultimate culmination, and I think it is sometimes reductive to try

01:30:23.600 to, you know, imagine the, the final victory scenario, because that is in itself a little,

01:30:29.360 a little strange sometimes because the nation is timeless.

01:30:31.620 The nation lives as, as a, as a person does through a family, the nation is immortal.

01:30:36.120 The nation's cause does not end.

01:30:37.820 Um, so, you know, we want, the nation will always live on and there will be at no point

01:30:41.960 where patriots are not required to sustain and fight for their country, um, until that

01:30:46.220 country dies.

01:30:46.900 And we certainly will not let that happen so long as we're around.

01:30:50.040 Um, but, you know, a culmination of a realization of the nationalist ideal, I think would be,

01:30:57.660 um, you know, sovereignty, right?

01:30:59.280 We have the nation state principle that, you know, one nation, one state, the government

01:31:03.160 extends to the bounds of the nation, no lesser, no further.

01:31:05.960 Um, we want all Americans united under a government and we want, uh, we want that government to be

01:31:09.940 tasked only with representing those Americans.

01:31:12.140 Um, you know, um, you know, we want, you know, both a return to the classical principles of

01:31:17.360 the American Republic with an added revolutionary forward thinking element of all, all that we've

01:31:25.880 learned in the past hundred years, all that we've learned since America has been perverted 0.66

01:31:29.900 into a democracy.

01:31:30.820 All the mistakes, right?

01:31:31.920 Yes.

01:31:32.180 Um, so, you know, we're not nostalgic, you know, we are not, you know, we're not looking

01:31:36.340 to go back to the sixties or even the 1700s and just think, well, let's try to make everything

01:31:40.420 like it was back then.

01:31:41.360 No, we, we are forward looking, we are revolutionary.

01:31:44.080 Um, but there are principles of history which should not be left behind just as there are

01:31:48.180 plenty of things that need to be cast aside because they are no longer useful to the American

01:31:52.340 nation anymore.

01:31:53.120 Um, but it's a living in, like it's living, right?

01:31:56.560 Absolutely.

01:31:57.140 Therefore it evolves and transforms.

01:31:59.480 It has to.

01:32:00.420 Um, and the adaptability of Americans has, has been our strength for so long, you know,

01:32:04.580 especially when you look to the colonists and the frontiersmen, you know, the fact that

01:32:07.660 we have faced so many challenges that, you know, our European cousins have not had the

01:32:12.500 opportunity to, uh, you know, I think it gives us something that will.

01:32:16.320 Well, there's some Canadians who are like, uh, need to reclaim Canada. 0.89

01:32:19.860 I see in the chat.

01:32:20.820 Yes.

01:32:21.140 Or reclaim Australia, reclaim all the colonies for, uh, Europeans basically. 0.51

01:32:25.900 Absolutely.

01:32:26.420 And, you know, I, and I want them to reclaim their countries and I, and I do sincerely

01:32:29.420 hope, and there are good nationalists in all of those countries and we've had the benefit

01:32:32.040 of seeing and working with them from time to time.

01:32:34.560 Um, you know, not only in Europe, but in the diaspora as well, you know, we've had activists

01:32:37.840 go to, um, go to Canada, go to, uh, South Africa as well and meet with the Boers. 1.00

01:32:43.780 Um, and I want them to reclaim their countries.

01:32:46.240 I want them, and if they are in a position to be, I, I hope that they are inspired.

01:32:51.140 I hope that they can gain whatever there is to gain by viewing and supporting our cause

01:32:57.040 here in America.

01:32:57.520 And, uh, I do think the United States is at the pinnacle of, uh, of global, you know, you

01:33:04.520 know, hegemony that is causing a lot of the ales in the world. 0.80

01:33:07.860 Um, that is, that is exporting, you know, you, you spoke about the USAID thing, right?

01:33:12.660 Yeah.

01:33:13.060 Then the U.S. has been exporting this terrible, you know, uh, you know, liberal, multiracial 1.00

01:33:17.380 democracy.

01:33:18.560 Um, so if things change here, it will be a great help to those in all of the other, you

01:33:24.920 know, kind of nations.

01:33:25.620 Yeah, I think we'll free, yeah, free that up.

01:33:27.140 Yes.

01:33:27.320 You know, the pressure, the boot that's been on for a while, you know.

01:33:30.260 So, so no pressure to us, but it's a lot, a lot's on our shoulders, right?

01:33:32.980 We need to save them as well, but we need to save ourselves in order to do it.

01:33:36.260 Well, that's just it.

01:33:37.360 Well, if, if everyone, you know, takes their responsibility in their respective European

01:33:42.240 or European diaspora countries, yeah, we're in a much, much better position.

01:33:46.020 But no, definitely.

01:33:46.840 I mean, eventually, like, uh, there needs to be, you know, nationalism is great, but also

01:33:52.620 this idea that there needs to be a pan, pan-national identity of sorts, right?

01:33:56.460 The way you realize that we're, we are in this together and also together, much, much

01:34:02.360 more powerful because, I mean, again, we don't have to get into a whole spiel here

01:34:05.220 about be that India or China or something like that, but, you know, there's new conglomerates

01:34:08.880 and the BRICS countries and stuff and they're for, and they're building and they're, there's

01:34:12.340 some, not always, obviously, but cohesive.

01:34:14.300 I think the trend is, the trend has been for, you know, things to be larger and more consolidated

01:34:19.200 in geopolitics.

01:34:20.860 Yeah, exactly.

01:34:20.920 And I think, you know, uh, specifics of, you know, specific relations between countries

01:34:26.500 at, at specific points, you know, uh, those can be varied, but the larger principle,

01:34:30.720 well, yeah, I do think there should be sort of a pan-racial understanding of countries.

01:34:34.700 Now, you know, I don't, I don't believe in trying to put all Europe, you know, the whole

01:34:38.160 European race under a single government. 0.66

01:34:39.660 I think that would be, uh, utterly impractical.

01:34:41.920 Yeah, no, I mean, the EU is trying that, right?

01:34:44.720 Look at that, it is basically like a federalization of Europe.

01:34:47.580 Except they don't actually care about European people.

01:34:49.300 They're running, they're running into a few problems, to say the least.

01:34:51.880 Yeah, it's very hard.

01:34:52.720 But, um, but, you know, a larger understanding among our nations and a larger affinity for one another,

01:34:57.760 I think is, is obvious.

01:34:59.920 And I, and I think that is founded in traditional American statesmanship.

01:35:02.760 Um, you know, I think, you know, you look back to, I think, uh, you know, Andrew Jackson is a great

01:35:07.700 example of a president who was immensely proud of his heritage.

01:35:10.700 You know, he was Irish originally.

01:35:12.200 Um, well, he was born in America, but his parents were Irish.

01:35:14.860 And, you know, um, you know, Thomas Jefferson was fascinated with the heritage of, uh, you know,

01:35:19.480 of the, of the British tradition and the Anglo-Saxon culture.

01:35:22.100 Um, you know, and, and Theodore Roosevelt was, you know, uh, was very studious and interested

01:35:26.900 in, you know, the conquests of, you know, the settlers in Australia and in South Africa.

01:35:31.500 How many compared and contrasted, you know, these with the, with the conquests of America.

01:35:35.620 You know, so having this larger racial understanding is, is incredibly important.

01:35:39.580 And I think even necessary, um, when you look broadly into the future, but at the same time,

01:35:44.100 you know, we should have a pride in our own nations.

01:35:46.680 I think a lot of young men, and you, you used to see this more, I think in previous years,

01:35:50.380 and, and, you know, we're working on it now is a lot of young men approaching nationalist

01:35:54.140 ideas would feel like they had to be, that they couldn't be patriotic, that they couldn't,

01:35:58.520 you know, have a love for their own country because, well, because it was kind of a grass 0.98

01:36:01.600 is greener sort of ideas.

01:36:02.800 Oh, well, Europe, you know, they have all the real countries and then in America here

01:36:06.160 where, you know, we, we don't have a heritage, you know, it's so bad.

01:36:08.880 And woe is me. 0.98

01:36:09.620 Um, but you know, and a lot of times, you know, we've spoken to European nationalists and when

01:36:15.040 they, when they see Americans acting like that, they, they don't think highly of it.

01:36:18.620 You know, they're like, what are you doing, right?

01:36:20.360 You know, come on.

01:36:21.260 Uh, so, you know, we, we, finding our own identity also allows us to be more respected

01:36:26.900 among the hall of nations, um, and also allows us to be able to practice our own nationalism

01:36:33.560 in a way that is more inspirational and actually more helpful to other countries.

01:36:37.240 Because if we were all just trying to be like each other, nobody would.

01:36:39.880 No, of course not.

01:36:40.980 Yeah, of course not.

01:36:41.420 It wouldn't be very effective at all.

01:36:42.380 No, definitely not.

01:36:42.960 No, again, I mean, I, uh, yeah, the, the links are there, there, there's a, there's

01:36:47.780 a tie between them.

01:36:48.660 There's a historical, uh, route that European Americans have in, in Europe, you know, whether

01:36:53.420 you want to call that the homeland or not.

01:36:54.880 But the point is, it's not the, this is a European, you know, not really calling it, but

01:36:59.260 a new, a new country formed by Europeans, you know what I mean?

01:37:02.120 And, and it's, and it's collectively ours, you know what I mean?

01:37:05.240 I think that fits with this question that someone asks there, if, if white America is

01:37:09.780 reclaimed, where does that leave non-white citizens?

01:37:12.880 Somewhere else.

01:37:13.920 Yeah.

01:37:14.380 Anywhere?

01:37:14.920 So, um, so, you know, if you-

01:37:16.280 Who cares?

01:37:16.940 Maybe that's-

01:37:17.340 Well, yeah, so, so to answer the question, you know, that's the short answer.

01:37:21.160 The long answer is, you know, America being reclaimed is, it's not just a matter of drawing

01:37:26.240 lines on the map, right?

01:37:27.360 It is a broader matter of political destiny.

01:37:29.780 It's a broader matter of our identity and our philosophy, um, and the understanding of, of

01:37:33.780 America.

01:37:34.020 Now, if there, you know, can America be reclaimed while there are still, you know, people who

01:37:38.760 are not American under the jurisdiction of the United States, you know, maybe, I mean,

01:37:43.800 America has had much better positions in the past while it's governed over imperialistic

01:37:47.800 territories.

01:37:48.380 Now, I'm not an imperialistic person, but, um, you know, you're looking at a very complex

01:37:52.340 answer, but ultimately to fix the demographics of the country, you know, the, you could talk

01:37:56.520 about all sorts of solutions, you know, obviously deportations of every illegal immigrant.

01:38:00.380 That's easy.

01:38:01.220 That's totally, I mean, it's not easy to start, but it's legal.

01:38:04.000 It's legal and it's totally, it's totally on, on the board.

01:38:07.220 Um, you know, and then you have other methods that you could use to remove even more people

01:38:11.740 with incentives and economic matters and, you know, tax remittances and, and, you know,

01:38:17.340 visas.

01:38:17.940 There, there's a hundred different tactics you could employ.

01:38:20.240 That's not the problem.

01:38:21.440 Coming up with the ideas of here's things to do is not the problem.

01:38:24.640 The problem is finding men in the right places, especially in the government with the willpower

01:38:30.160 to exert them.

01:38:31.620 Um, and they don't, they don't have it.

01:38:34.080 And even if some of them, like I mentioned earlier, some of them are probably genuine

01:38:36.860 and actually want to deport all the, all the, all the illegals. 0.57

01:38:39.780 Right. 0.88

01:38:39.960 But, but they're drowned out by the corruption. 1.00

01:38:42.540 They're drowned out by, by the weaklings, the spineless and the cowards. 0.92

01:38:46.340 Um, you know, so we need to, from the ground up, create the Americans that will not compromise.

01:38:52.380 We need to create the Americans that can stand against the whole world.

01:38:55.200 If that's what it takes, we need to create the Americans to whom sacrifice is second nature.

01:39:00.220 Um, and, and that's what we're doing.

01:39:02.720 Um, and you know, what will America look like once we, once it's been reclaimed?

01:39:07.300 Well, it's, it'll be, it'll, it'll be both unrecognizable and also instinctually home.

01:39:14.480 That's what I would say.

01:39:15.960 Red Pill says, always solid.

01:39:18.000 Thank you very much.

01:39:18.940 And Arctic Wolf says, Hey guys, I'm still at work going to watch on replay later this evening.

01:39:23.140 Really excited for the show.

01:39:24.420 You guys rock.

01:39:25.180 Take care.

01:39:25.660 Thank you, Albert.

01:39:26.040 Appreciate that.

01:39:26.860 Yeah.

01:39:27.100 It's good hearing you.

01:39:28.380 Uh, there's a couple of more there, Lana.

01:39:29.480 I'm going to have to refresh.

01:39:30.740 I'll take it.

01:39:31.160 McDozer.

01:39:31.680 You have another outstanding interview.

01:39:32.820 Can't wait to share this episode everywhere I possibly can.

01:39:35.780 Thank you, McDozer.

01:39:36.440 Appreciate it.

01:39:37.340 Uh, unconstructed yeoman says, hat tip to Thomas from a fellow Texican.

01:39:42.620 I think he says, is that an actual term?

01:39:44.220 Texican?

01:39:44.780 It is.

01:39:46.320 Well, originally there were Texicans and then there were Texians and then there were Texans, you

01:39:50.440 know, but, uh, sure.

01:39:51.440 Texian.

01:39:51.840 All right.

01:39:52.040 We'll take it.

01:39:52.600 Yeah.

01:39:52.700 Yes.

01:39:53.080 So yeah.

01:39:53.600 Hattif to Thomas from a fellow Texican.

01:39:55.980 Uh, he's done a lot worth, uh, admiring or, uh, yeah.

01:39:58.940 Admiration.

01:39:59.800 Admiration.

01:40:00.380 Let me read that right instead.

01:40:01.960 And Patriot Front will have a lasting legacy of tough men and have the ability to organize

01:40:07.200 even though it will eventually, uh, wait, even though it will eventually fail because

01:40:11.640 it has some various essential things wrong.

01:40:13.960 Really?

01:40:14.260 Okay.

01:40:14.660 Let's hear it.

01:40:15.120 What is it?

01:40:15.700 But I look forward to seeing the progress as far.

01:40:17.700 Well, you need to put those, put those in the chat then.

01:40:19.420 Yeah.

01:40:19.980 Yeomans.

01:40:20.340 So we can address, I appreciate that.

01:40:22.760 Thank you.

01:40:23.040 He's very bold.

01:40:24.000 Yes.

01:40:25.480 Tips his hat and then insults.

01:40:27.160 Well, you know, but I just said before that, well, you're welcome to, to, to do it right.

01:40:31.020 Right.

01:40:31.280 As I said.

01:40:31.780 I'm not afraid of any questions.

01:40:32.860 I'd love to hear.

01:40:33.220 Exactly.

01:40:33.920 Do, do, do, do it right this time.

01:40:35.380 Um, all right.

01:40:36.480 Very good.

01:40:36.860 Lana, did you have any, uh, closing, um, uh, questions there before we start wrapping up?

01:40:39.940 I do not.

01:40:40.720 I think that's, that's very good.

01:40:42.220 Anything, Thomas, anything else like that we haven't addressed that you think is important

01:40:45.360 in this context?

01:40:46.180 I think it's, um, I think it's absolutely a pleasure to be on the show.

01:40:50.320 I've, I remember watching y'all show on and off all the way back to 2017.

01:40:54.620 Y'all are really solid and y'all, y'all are an institution in the messaging and in this

01:41:00.280 side of the political landscape and it is, you know, I, I need to give y'all credit for

01:41:04.160 how resolute y'all have been throughout everything.

01:41:06.440 Cause that, that is not, you don't find that every day.

01:41:09.340 And, you know, so y'all have certainly done something very much worthy of praise and that

01:41:13.860 I am thankful for.

01:41:14.980 Um, and I'm, I've been up in the area, you know, for a day and a half now and the hospitality

01:41:20.420 I've been shown by all the people y'all know and the people y'all work with locally

01:41:23.600 has been absolutely magnanimous and I can't speak highly enough.

01:41:27.320 You know, you can, you can judge a person by the quality of people they surround

01:41:30.280 themselves with and if it was, if I didn't already have a great opinion of y'all, which

01:41:33.900 I do, it's expanded and, and, and heightened even more so.

01:41:37.300 So thanks for that.

01:41:38.000 And I want that to be known.

01:41:39.320 Um, you know, I assume there's a lot of people listening who maybe haven't heard or heard,

01:41:42.860 uh, heard me speak or maybe haven't been familiar with Patriot Front in particular, but, um,

01:41:47.480 you know, if you're interested, you know, I, I want you to reach out and apply, you know,

01:41:50.580 you look at the website there, there's the join page.

01:41:52.440 I want you to fill that out.

01:41:53.320 I want you to read the content on the website and I want you to make the decision for yourself

01:41:56.860 ultimately, not just because I asked you, even though that is a great reason.

01:41:59.660 Um, but you know, the, you know, the country's waiting for you, right?

01:42:03.980 The, there's a lot, there's an opportunity, there's a life out there and no matter where

01:42:07.820 you are in the country, we got somebody near you.

01:42:10.400 Well, no matter what lifestyle you have, right?

01:42:13.020 You're working class, you're white collar, you're blue collar, you're gray collar, you 1.00

01:42:16.220 know, you own a business, right?

01:42:17.480 You work for a big company, you know, you're, you're in some sort of profession, you're a

01:42:21.140 college student, you, you're 18 and you don't know what you're going to do, right?

01:42:24.600 We have men like you.

01:42:25.980 We have a place for you.

01:42:27.160 We have a way for you to serve the nation and also benefit from that service.

01:42:31.840 You know, somebody in the organization, it's good for you.

01:42:33.940 It's good for your life.

01:42:34.940 It's good for your future.

01:42:36.320 Um, you know, and we need people everywhere.

01:42:38.280 We need people of all kinds, you know, specifically American men, right?

01:42:41.840 But, um, and if you think you're not up for it, apply and see and find out.

01:42:45.680 You might be.

01:42:46.740 Um, but yeah, and again, it's been phenomenal.

01:42:49.020 I've really enjoyed the discussion.

01:42:50.440 I think you all have asked a lot of good questions and a lot of, a lot of subjects we don't really

01:42:53.560 broach on a lot of the interviews.

01:42:54.560 So it's good to find a very unique discussion and it's been a great time.

01:42:58.080 One more here.

01:42:58.540 Cockfrey Zones says, I love what Thomas said about America being the only real pan-European 1.00

01:43:02.660 country.

01:43:03.400 Perhaps the, uh, this is where Yaki's dream can actually come true.

01:43:07.900 I'm not sure if you're any.

01:43:09.040 Perhaps.

01:43:10.040 Perhaps.

01:43:10.660 Well, I am not extremely familiar with Yaki, but you know, creating a pan-European super state

01:43:15.740 is very difficult in Europe, but it is kind of already happened in America.

01:43:19.580 Yeah, that's true.

01:43:20.380 Yeah.

01:43:20.540 If that was your goal, then you should be proud to be an American.

01:43:23.480 I think one more here.

01:43:24.360 Goodness knows I am.

01:43:26.260 Zionist Cock, great use name, says, uh, Mr. Rousseau said, uh, let me see here.

01:43:31.340 Oh, I lost it now.

01:43:32.380 Hang on.

01:43:32.820 Oh no.

01:43:33.040 Hang on.

01:43:33.340 I'll get you. 0.97

01:43:34.040 We lost the Zionist Cock. 1.00

01:43:36.180 It's gone. 0.93

01:43:36.940 Where'd she go?

01:43:37.460 There is.

01:43:37.520 We need more of those, don't we?

01:43:38.900 That's what we need right now.

01:43:40.200 I wish we couldn't find any of them.

01:43:42.280 Mr. Rousseau said Christianity comes from Europe.

01:43:44.140 Which part exactly?

01:43:45.140 He says.

01:43:45.400 Yes, yes.

01:43:46.760 So, obviously, the stories of the Bible take place in the Middle East, but Christianity 0.84

01:43:51.520 was brought to Europe by, immediately by one or several of the apostles, and it was practiced

01:43:57.400 in Europe for thousands of years, and I think European culture.

01:44:00.440 You've answered this one before, huh?

01:44:02.740 European culture and Christianity, you know, I'm not personally religious, but European culture

01:44:07.340 and Christianity have been heartily intertwined.

01:44:09.660 And also, speaking specifically about American culture, you know, the first people who come,

01:44:13.940 even Leif Erikson, who arrived a thousand years ago, was Christian.

01:44:17.900 So, there is, obviously, yes.

01:44:20.720 Leif.

01:44:21.180 Leif.

01:44:21.740 Leif.

01:44:22.280 Leif.

01:44:22.860 Sorry.

01:44:23.460 No.

01:44:23.820 Sorry.

01:44:24.920 It's all right.

01:44:25.400 I'm too Anglophone.

01:44:27.160 But, obviously, and I, you know, I'm not fond of the religious infighting.

01:44:32.400 No.

01:44:33.240 It's tiresome.

01:44:34.320 If he persists in such ways, he's harming his prospects of membership in Patriot Front.

01:44:38.160 So, you should be careful.

01:44:39.160 There you go.

01:44:40.700 Well, Thomas, it's been an absolute pleasure.

01:44:42.760 Very good.

01:44:42.980 Great admirer, obviously, of not only you personally, but the whole organization,

01:44:48.160 which you've been able to accomplish so far, we should say.

01:44:51.320 So, it's been a pleasure.

01:44:52.460 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:53.540 That's it.

01:44:53.940 That's it.

01:44:54.260 Just getting started.

01:44:55.280 All those little bricks to the foundation is being laid right now.

01:44:58.720 That's how I was viewed.

01:45:00.200 If we can see our children, our grandchildren, or so forth, you know, actually have something

01:45:05.540 solid by the time that they're old enough to appreciate it, then we've done good work.

01:45:10.540 Rome isn't built overnight, as I say, you know, or over a day.

01:45:14.200 All right.

01:45:14.680 I'm going to do a couple of plugs here real quick.

01:45:16.540 I do want to ask you where, obviously, Patriot Front.us, right?

01:45:19.180 Yes.

01:45:19.320 That's the website.

01:45:20.180 You do have some social medias, as well, where people can follow you guys.

01:45:23.280 Yes, we have a social page.

01:45:23.700 There we go.

01:45:23.980 Tell us about that.

01:45:24.420 Yeah.

01:45:24.880 Yes.

01:45:25.160 So, you know, we have the Patriot Front updates.

01:45:26.800 We recently had to change our Telegram page because the old one got banned.

01:45:30.720 Sons of Columbia is a catalog of, essentially, Americana of all kinds.

01:45:34.100 Patriot Front sightings is where you go to find news about us.

01:45:35.960 We document that.

01:45:36.880 Promotional materials, you can see cities all over the country that we've placed stickers,

01:45:41.540 flyers, and posters, and such.

01:45:42.760 And, actually, if you want to see if there's PF near you, searching on the Patriot Front promotional

01:45:46.640 materials, Telegram is a great way to do that.

01:45:48.180 We're on Gab, we're on Odyssey, we're banned from Rumble, surprisingly.

01:45:51.980 We're still on BitChute. 1.00

01:45:53.620 And you can find some of our videos on TikTok and YouTube and on Twitter, but, you know,

01:46:00.960 they're always coming up and going down, so you've got to find them.

01:46:03.220 If you want to find them, you can find us there, if you're lucky.

01:46:05.440 But if you want to find our solid official places for content, you go to the website.

01:46:09.360 And, actually, if you scroll just a little bit down on the social page, you can find two

01:46:13.340 of the big interviews we've done with Jake Shields and Patrick Bet David, which are

01:46:17.480 allowed on YouTube and Spotify and all those other things.

01:46:20.240 And I think those are further enlightening.

01:46:21.800 If you've listened to this and you haven't listened to me before, and you think, wow,

01:46:24.700 that's really interesting, I want to hear more about what he has to say, that's a great

01:46:26.800 place to start.

01:46:27.800 Yeah, and Jake's cool.

01:46:28.660 We had him here, too.

01:46:29.520 I know.

01:46:29.880 He spoke highly of you.

01:46:30.600 He said he's here, or was it that chair?

01:46:31.620 He's a good guy.

01:46:32.080 I was that chair.

01:46:32.840 Okay.

01:46:33.620 Close, close.

01:46:34.320 Close, close enough.

01:46:36.020 Exactly.

01:46:36.260 That was a good one.

01:46:36.800 All right, well, gentlemen out there listening, if you want to go join, you know where to

01:46:41.480 go.

01:46:41.760 Patriotfront.us.

01:46:43.280 As I said, I do want to do a couple of plugs here before we let you guys go.

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01:46:47.400 Yes.

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01:48:18.000 All right, that's it for us then.

01:48:20.300 Thank you for watching, everybody.

01:48:21.240 Thank you, Thomas, once more for coming in.

01:48:22.620 Pleasure to have you here.

01:48:23.820 Thank you for being up in these parts and come visiting us.

01:48:25.980 I'll be back.

01:48:26.580 It's been a pleasure.

01:48:27.220 Oh, we hope so.

01:48:28.060 You better be.

01:48:28.580 All right, guys, thank you so much for watching.

01:48:29.900 Be back tomorrow with Flashback Friday, by the way.

01:48:31.980 Two Swedes joining us, Don Erickson and Magnus Södermann.

01:48:35.400 So tune in for that for Flashback Friday.

01:48:36.660 Oh, no, three Swedes.

01:48:38.080 Can we handle that?

01:48:38.740 We're going to take over the whole thing.

01:48:39.860 I know, Swedes are taking over America. 1.00

01:48:41.420 That's right.

01:48:42.220 So, Lana, you won't be joining us, but we'll see you for Western Warrior.

01:48:45.080 All right, bye, everybody.

01:48:46.060 Take care.

01:48:46.300 See you.

01:48:46.320 Bye.

01:48:52.620 See you on the other side.

01:49:22.620 Bye.

Red Ice TV - May 01, 2025

Can White America Be Reclaimed？ - Thomas Rousseau

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