On this episode of the Patriot Front Live in Studio, we sit down with Thomas Russo, the President of Patriot Front, to talk about the organization and its origins. We talk about how the organization came to life and what it means to be a nationalist organization.
00:05:11.380And, you know, I think it's a sign that I think nationalist organizing is growing and is moving forward in the right direction that all these areas continually will become more hospitable, even those, you know, which we have been slighted from and attacked from, you know, like y'all have borne your fair share of slings and arrows over the years, as we have.
00:05:32.640And I think it's a good sign that persistence and perseverance, you know, eventually conquers all things.
00:06:07.200No, and that's a big thing that the organization takes a lot of care and caution with is how the men carry themselves.
00:06:14.880And, of course, you know, when we're doing the marches, and that's where we get most of the first impressions because those are seen by millions and millions of people.
00:06:20.240But when it comes down to that, what people see is, you know, what we believe, and what we believe in is a structured, strong, orderly, American, thoroughly American society.
00:06:32.560When people see the marches, that's what they see.
00:06:44.940The current society is the great defacement upon the history of the European race.
00:06:50.940So what you're actually seeing when you see the marching ranks of, you know, our activists, what you're seeing is the, you know, is a sort of return to form.
00:07:00.860It's a restitution, a reconstitution, if you will, of the American spirit in a very strong, a very, you know, a very masculine approach.
00:07:10.740And these sort of marches aren't unusual in Europe.
00:07:13.500You know, it's, it's Americans see it and they're, oh my God, fads, who are these fads?
00:07:18.420Like this kind of stuff has been happening in Europe forever with torches and uniforms.
00:07:24.560Well, I did want to ask you about the origins, obviously.
00:07:26.320When you started it, was it you who started it?
00:07:28.680What was some of your motivations at that point?
00:07:31.840And actually on the website, if you have it up there, if you go to the homepage, we have a great video, which shows, you know, that plays automatically, which shows years of, years of our organizing, which is great to, great to illustrate the point.
00:07:43.500So, you know, when we started, you know, PF got its start in 2017.
00:07:47.940I was at Charlottesville, of course, you know, which is, which I was there too.
00:08:00.860So, no, and it was, it was a chaotic day.
00:08:04.680And I think, you know, a lot of people were there with good intentions.
00:08:09.920A lot of people were there who genuinely wanted to protest and seek a redress of grievances that they had against society and their government and, and in any manner of corruption in society.
00:08:22.080But what was lacking was the organization.
00:08:25.500What was lacking was there was, there was a supreme issue with the logistics, the tactics, the strategy, the messaging, and the coordinating of all these groups.
00:08:35.480There were some people who probably, you know, I wouldn't consider shining examples of the, of the European race of the American nation who are present.
00:09:00.380And after leaving it, you know, the group I was in at the time started fighting amongst itself.
00:09:05.580Um, and I think Charlottesville, you know, the reason the SPLC or the ADL will have this thing that I, I left that group because of the bad coverage of Charlottesville, which is silly because they just keep using Charlottesville when they describe me even to this day.
00:09:20.880So if that was my plan, it's ridiculous and completely impractical.
00:09:25.020Um, no, the reason that I left that organization was because, um, of these irreconcilable personal, uh, grievances, which people had and, uh, and past a certain point of this infighting, this, this movement drama that is so frequent.
00:09:40.420And you still see it today, but you don't see it with Patriot Front.
00:09:43.420Um, you know, I decided that, you know what, everybody who wants to work with me, everybody who has experience with me, everybody who trusts me as an organizer, we're going over here and we're going to do something new.
00:10:18.100Um, I've always been, I've, I'm the founder of the organization.
00:10:21.060I've always been the leader of the organization.
00:10:22.560Um, I've always been the chief organizer, but, you know, the proportion of work and, and throughout the years, I have done every single job in the organization.
00:10:31.160Uh, you know, when we were getting certain projects refurbished or off the ground, you know, I've been heavily involved in every aspect at any given point in time.
00:10:39.260You know, I've, I've made, you know, the, a lot of the materials personally I've, I've done and managed vetting personally.
00:10:46.080I've, I've gone around and planned every aspect of the demonstrations, you know, started out with me being the one to take the point with it.
00:10:53.480And gradually we've been able to attain a greater level of sophistication with our demonstrations in particular, so that now there are people who manage our transportation.
00:11:02.360There are people who manage our camp and lodging logistics.
00:11:05.060There are people who manage our travel parties when we have convoys of 30, 50 vehicles.
00:11:10.360We have, we have people who manage the security checkpoints and we have people who manage all these other things.
00:11:14.800And these people have been doing these specific jobs for years in some cases within the organization.
00:11:18.160But I was there at the nucleus of those before we were able to split off and delegate these things.
00:11:23.800And then, you know, the story of the organization developing, at least from a leadership perspective, is largely one of delegation.
00:11:28.640But anyways, to answer the question, yes, I've always been, I've always been very much involved in the organization.
00:11:32.660And, you know, it grew out of a great sort of a response to what I see as a, as it was a, it was a failure of a, to properly plan and coordinate among the political movement.
00:11:46.700And a lot of people, it was easy for them to get, you know, disenheartened, you know, disenchanted, right?
00:11:52.720Crestfallen when seeing the aftermath.
00:11:55.400And a lot of people, you know, said to, said to me and each other that, okay, nationalism, the demonstrations, you just can't do that in America anymore, right?
00:12:46.240My, my parents, they're not, they're not involved in what I do.
00:12:49.860And, and, you know, they don't necessarily, you know, they're, they're completely, you know, sectioned off and, and they have received, you know, messages and stuff over the years, but they're, they've never been involved in anything.
00:13:01.380And, and, you know, when you have the doxings and, you know, the media doing these crazy hit pieces, you know, they want folks to go after people's families.
00:13:11.220They, because a lot of times they know that the person they're doxing, you know, they can tell, you know, when, when it's the left, it's the media or the antifa, they can tell that that individual is a true believer.
00:13:20.540So you're not going to go after them in particular, right there, you're going to go after their family.
00:13:25.240You're going to go after people who are, you're seen as more vulnerable and all that that does, whether I'm seeing it happen to somebody else or it's happened to me, all that that does is prove to me that, you know, we're the good guys in this story.
00:13:39.400And these people are truly motivated by a sense of malice and diabolical hatred that, uh, that is a, it needs to be scourged from the earth.
00:14:01.260I remember at the time, you know, especially there were a lot of, uh, European groups and, and, you know, activists in America were heavily motivated.
00:14:08.840And there were, there was inspiration to look at the organizations in Europe.
00:14:12.460Um, you know, and I think a lot of them have come and gone, you know, there's still some of the same ones in certain countries.
00:14:18.460Um, and, you know, some of them have been banned too, by the way, like national action, right?
00:14:23.180And national action was banned in the UK.
00:15:19.140You know, we're not registered with the FEC.
00:15:21.480Um, that is not the purpose of the organization.
00:15:24.020Um, and, you know, even if we want to engage in, and I mean, we do, if we want to engage with property, if we want to have a gym space, or we want to have, um, you know, if we want to have guys work within some sort of electoral strategy, you don't need to be a party to do that.
00:15:40.820You just need to have the opportunity and, uh, and members of the organization, of course, own property, right?
00:15:46.160But they are not the organization, legally speaking.
00:15:49.180But, you know, if you look to years back, years past, um, you know, there was a degree of, of tactical and strategic inspiration from European groups.
00:15:56.800And I think the biggest, um, you know, I think a lot of American, you know, Americans at the time were envious of Europeans with their large demonstrations.
00:16:03.740And they, you know, they seemed, they seemed very strong.
00:16:10.180Um, and they, they had some very, I remember early on, they had some very popular, um, anti-migration things when they went to the, to the Alps and they had the ship in the Mediterranean.
00:16:21.700Um, so I think there was, there was a large, uh, aspiration.
00:16:25.540Um, and I think, you know, it's, it's very, it's been very fascinating looking back now because, you know, in our early trip, you know, PF sent a bunch of representatives to Europe in 2019, I believe.
00:16:35.440And we went to a lot of these countries and, you know, we were looking up to these groups and, and we were the, the fledgling, you know, new kid on the block, so to speak.
00:16:43.760And then we went back, um, in 2023 or I think 2024.
00:16:48.740Um, and, you know, the, the tables had kind of turned a little bit where we have newer European nationalists and groups that are looking, they're looking up to Patriot Front in a sense.
00:16:56.720And, uh, and a lot of them said, wow, you know, I wish we could do what you do.
00:16:59.700But of course, you know, they have all these legal barriers and, and, and things of that nature, but it is very heartening to be an inspiration.
00:17:07.200Um, and of course, I don't mean to say that, you know, that we're better than them or that, you know, we have very different environments.
00:17:12.640Um, but I'm very happy that we can provide something which is, which Europeans have provided to us in the context, um, which is kind of an impetus to grow and adapt new ideas.
00:17:24.040Um, because I think nationalism is a war of ideas and it is a war of finding ingenious ways to push your message and survive all of these attacks that are made against us.
00:17:36.180Yeah, you try, you need different type of strategies and the legal framework will define what those are.
00:17:40.740But at the same time, yeah, one group might come up with something, a template that works much better or like that, you know, then you take, you know, take inspiration from each other.
00:18:12.880Um, and, uh, it was, I was about 16 years old and that was around 2016.
00:18:18.240Uh, well, it was, it was earlier than that.
00:18:21.140Um, but it was, uh, the Trump phenomenon was just coming into play and I had already started getting into, you know, the consuming political content on the internet.
00:18:30.720And I was made aware largely of the, uh, of the, you know, the migrant invasion of Europe, which is a huge hot button issue.
00:18:39.060And I had largely been aware of conservative politics, um, you know, just because, you know, Fox News plays in the living room, you know, you hear things on the radio, you know, you, you, you grew up in Texas and you, you know, you are very familiar with the Republican baseline, uh, you know, arguments.
00:18:54.120And I wasn't, I was never really a dyed in the wool conservative, um, when it came to the Republican party.
00:19:00.680Of course, I had beliefs early on that you could attribute to that, but I, I was never organized with those types of people.
00:19:07.820Um, and of course I was in Boy Scouts, you know, I'm an Eagle Scout.
00:19:11.080So, you know, you had a good upbringing there that teaches you a lot of virtues.
00:19:14.340You learn a lot about American history.
00:19:15.580I was probably one of the last generations of Boy Scouts to get the proper thing out of the program before it was corrupted and bankrupted and everything else.
00:19:25.420Before gays started raping little boys.
00:19:28.160But my, I was lucky to have a great experience and I think my troop was a very positive experience on me because a lot of the, a lot of the, the things that I think are very important in a nationalist today aren't just virtues that you are, they're not, it's not just having the right opinions.
00:19:43.000You need to have the right virtues and a lot of that comes from having the right experiences.
00:19:47.360Um, I think a lot of young men are not tested like they should be.
00:19:50.920A lot of young men, you know, have never been in a situation where you're knee deep in mud and, you know, part of your, you know, your young, you know, your young man child brain is saying, oh, I wish I could call my mom right now and get picked up.
00:20:03.200And, uh, and that is a, is an important thing that, you know, a 15 year old needs to be put in that situation of, hey, sometimes life sucks and you have to rely on yourself and push through it with the people around you.
00:20:13.000Um, and I learned a lot of good leadership skills.
00:20:17.400Um, and I made some, uh, I made some, you know, political cartoons, which were, uh, a little bit, uh, a little bit too edgy for my, uh, for my teachers at the time.
00:20:25.240But, uh, I was pushing the envelope, so to speak.
00:20:27.980And I started following the news more.
00:20:30.380Um, and I actually think in high school, I, I did learn about the, the very traditional classical principles of journalism in that class.
00:20:37.560Um, and that was hugely discordant within what I would look at, you know, especially with the coverage of Trump and everything of the media there.
00:20:45.800Um, and that, uh, that, um, that great confusion between those two principles largely led me to have a great distaste for the media, which has never, never settled.
00:20:59.980Um, but, uh, you know, all those things in confluence.
00:21:03.040And then, uh, you know, and then I was, you know, very much swept up into, you know, the political or the online space.
00:21:09.080And, uh, then the, the summer I graduated, um, I was going to a rally in Virginia and, uh, the rest is history.
00:21:16.240So I never really, um, as soon as I graduated high school, I was, you know, within, you know, within, uh, you know, within six months, I was doing Patriot Front.
00:21:24.560So it has, nationalist organizing has been my entire adult life.
00:21:29.980I've no, I do, I do Patriot Front full time right now, but I've had normal jobs for the first, you know, for the first three or four years.
00:21:36.380Um, but this has always been my primary thing my entire adult life and even a little bit before that.
00:21:41.340So I tried to start as early as I could.
00:21:43.300I wish I started at 15, but I don't think anybody would have taken me seriously.
00:21:46.600So would you say Patriot Front is a, uh, political group or an activist group?
00:21:53.040So, you know, we try to, I believe that we have so many tactics.
00:21:57.820We have so many ways to do what we want to do.
00:22:00.120Um, and I think we need to create an umbrella and a movement that's large enough to contain a lot of very different, um, but still unite, you know, different tactics, but united ideals, right?
00:22:19.860Um, and activism, I think, is the, the goal of organizing people to solve a problem, to redress a grievance, um, and that can happen through conventional politics where, you know, you're trying to get, uh, some city councilman elected or you're trying to get some, some bill overturned or even on the federal level.
00:22:39.880Although once you go higher in levels of government, attempting that change without first stepping through many other levels becomes more and more difficult and it takes more resources.
00:22:49.160Um, you know, the organization is an activist group, but it's also a political group.
00:22:53.160But, um, I try to explain it as if there's sort of a triangle in this philosophy.
00:22:58.460You have people who are non-political, um, and those are people who have sort of given up on the idea of society.
00:23:04.540They, they are very often, they're very cynical or they're nihilistic.
00:23:07.560They're either doing nothing or they're doing something which is probably destructive to themselves and those around them.
00:23:12.800Um, you know, that is not what we are.
00:23:14.820Uh, however, there is a tiny kernel of truth in that, that is certain conventional structures are beyond saving and must be, must be, uh, as, as the Declaration of Independence says, you know, altered or abolished.
00:23:27.280Um, and then you have people that are purely conventionally political.
00:23:30.980And, uh, largely speaking, you know, a lot of them, and, you know, some of them have secret nationalist opinions, but national opinions, nationalist opinions aren't very good for you if you keep them a secret, if you don't act on them.
00:23:42.800So they will find that you can moderate yourself to attain more conventional political approval.
00:23:47.660And then it becomes a negative feedback loop until you are no longer a radical, you are no longer a revolutionary.
00:23:54.200Congratulations, you are, you know, you have sold your soul, you know, and, uh, and no matter what you gain for, for the price of your soul, it is worth nothing.
00:24:02.360Um, so, you know, that's the conventional political side of things.
00:24:05.120And, and however, there is a kernel of truth to that as well, small as it may be, that there is something to be said in organizing and there is something to be said in trying to change, change the country.
00:24:15.200So we try to unite those two things into an ascendant, uh, syncretic philosophy of extra-political action.
00:24:21.640We, you know, Patriot Front is extra-political.
00:24:23.320We organize with traditional political principles outside of the conventional realm of politics.
00:24:29.320Um, and because of that, we're able to have a revolutionary footing and we have something of an ideological readout where the organization is this incorruptible source of, uh, of nationalist ideology.
00:24:42.480You know, we do not compromise, we cannot be bought, we cannot be bargained with, we cannot be threatened into, into changing our beliefs.
00:24:50.260Um, and because we have this, we can sally out into all these other political spaces and we can engage in networking, we can engage with businesses, um, and even in some conventional political spaces, you know, when and where the opportunities present themselves, and they do.
00:25:05.020Um, but we are not concerned with compromise as, as, as a, something that could happen to us because we have this, we have this redoubt built up.
00:25:13.900We have a fortress of our virtue, which we always return to.
00:25:18.080Um, and I think that's a good sort of overlying philosophy.
00:25:21.180What do you say to some of those MAGA types are like, well, why do they have to cover up their face?
00:25:27.520Um, yes, there's a lot of justifications for anonymity, um, you know, and, and a big reason is that it protects a lot of what we do.
00:25:35.540Um, a lot of our activists, you know, marching is not the only thing they do, right?
00:25:40.580A lot of them have businesses, a lot of them have professions, a lot of them have families, a lot of them have, uh, plenty of things that they do or are involved in, which their identity could potentially lead to those other actions, those other productive endeavors becoming a target for our opposition.
00:25:56.840Um, so I'm not trying to hide anything that we believe, um, but we are trying to hide our identities.
00:26:04.040Um, you know, but everything, everything we say is, is fully honest, but I'm going to withhold information that could only lead to a, an attack on some of our tactics and some of our productive endeavors.
00:26:16.580Because, and especially, you know, who is going to be most interested in seeing us unmasked?
00:26:21.980Well, it'd be the people who want to do us harm.
00:26:30.880We've handed out flyers, many occasions where guys are unmasked.
00:26:33.340Even with the Jake Shields interview, the video, um, the video where we're getting coffee with him and chatting very candidly, you know, most of the guys there are unmasked.
00:26:43.900And to do the conservatives then leap to try to dox them to prove that they're feds when they finally get some faces to see?
00:26:50.260Um, you know, it's a, it's a very much confirmation bias thing that you're only upset when you see the mask, but whenever you see somebody who isn't wearing masks, then, oh, it's fine.
00:26:58.420Um, and when we did the March for Life recently in January, a lot of the guys were handing out flyers on masks, talking with hundreds, thousands of people walking through the crowds.
00:27:06.380And of course, do the Fed accusations stop?
00:27:11.720And it's actually a deeper, uh, unsettling thing about a, a worry about conservative sensibilities not being congruent with nationalism, um, or a fear of giving up what you've dedicated your whole life to, even if it is based upon a series of, uh, contradictions about how anybody can be American.
00:27:27.520Maybe there's something like that to it.
00:27:28.980But the masks also have a very productive element in being a sign of selflessness, right?
00:27:36.540When we are all masked in the column, when, when we, uh, when we are doing some, something where the message is the men, the man is a symbol more than he is an individual.
00:27:46.960Um, you know, it, it speaks to something.
00:27:49.220It speaks to a principle of, you know, political, uh, you know, virtue, which is that I'm doing this not for myself.
00:27:55.620I'm not doing this so that you look upon my name and ascribe it credit.
00:28:00.960I'm doing it for its own worth and value.
00:28:03.580Um, and I think that also, it kind of, uh, it protects us against the kind of people who would get involved in politics, get involved in our work and our organization for personal gain to put their name everywhere.
01:06:32.380But then at the same time, the larger you grow, you lose the margins, you lose the seams, and things are very easily able to fall apart, right?
01:06:40.900It's so hard to have so unifying ideas for millions, you know, hundreds of millions of people, right?
01:06:57.620Is this scale of a country able to be governed in the way that it should be?
01:07:03.060And, of course, talking about classical, you know, ideal American government.
01:07:07.280This is something that the founders debated.
01:07:08.900This is something that was debated around the time where the Constitution was being drafted and ratified.
01:07:13.820You know, and it was the idea of, well, a republic, you know, has only existed on something the size of, you know, a few Greek islands, right?
01:07:46.940It had, you know, a very powerful constitution, more powerful than most of those in Europe, that would prevent, you know, quick and radical changes which could, you know, be taken advantage of by a tyrant or something.
01:07:59.320And it's very easy to look at our history as a nation and think of, oh, well, you know, I wish I was in that room when they were signing this.
01:08:08.720I wish I could, you know, grab, you know, Lyndon Johnson by his big swaffy ears and swing him out of the window of the Oval Office.
01:08:15.400I'm sure we all feel that from time to time.
01:08:17.240But at the same time, you know, it's important to realize that things could have been a lot worse.
01:08:23.780And, you know, our ancestors were smart.
01:08:26.080Our ancestors were very capable men, you know, by and large, especially the heroes of them.
01:08:30.240You know, they faced great challenges, and they did not have the benefit of living in the future, right?
01:08:35.520So, you know, in a lot of ways, things could have been much worse if not for the gallantry of our ancestors and fighting for the preservation.
01:08:44.000But, you know, again, the question of is America too great?
01:08:53.480But the principle of the nation, we are capable of being unified as an American people across the continent.
01:08:59.700We are capable of having – we have a core principled model of republican government which is capable of facing the challenges of governing over such a large space.
01:09:09.580And this was decided, you know, hundreds of years ago.
01:09:13.740But it is incapable in the current status because too many people can vote, because NGOs have too much power, because the branches of government are filled with cowards and criminals.
01:09:29.180There is a strength in the core principles, and it is possible.
01:09:33.220And moreover, as a nationalist, I both have the principle that all Americans must be unified in common cause, but I also have the practical experience that I can bring men together from New Hampshire and Virginia and Florida and Mississippi, Kansas, Montana, North Dakota, California, Arizona.
01:09:53.300And I can get them all in the same field together, and their boots fall in step.
01:10:18.060I mean, I crisscrossed the continent, as you all know.
01:10:21.340And, you know, when you're a member of Patriot Front, the country gets a lot smaller, right?
01:10:25.160Everything becomes a lot more in focus, and it becomes a lot more attainable to get where you need to go.
01:10:29.400And a lot of people join the organization having not been to a lot of the states regularly, you know, in the travel parties when we're road tripping out to someplace.
01:10:37.380You know, I'll say, hey, raise your hand if you've ever been to Missouri, if you've ever been to D.C., if you've ever been to, you know, New York City.
01:10:42.860I remember when we were doing our New York demo.
01:10:44.440Maybe one or two of the guys that have actually been there.
01:10:51.480But, you know, and very often they haven't.
01:10:54.200So the organization facilitates a lot of these things.
01:10:57.460You know, the country isn't too large in principle.
01:10:59.160I think it is overblown in scope and practice.
01:11:02.040But, you know, just like the end of the manifesto says, you know, at the very – the previous era has been spent broadening and diluting what it means to be an American.
01:11:10.980But what we are doing is we are refining it.
01:11:14.180We are creating something which is more distilled, more functional, more vivacious.
01:11:18.240Yeah, I wanted to ask you about if you're following anything in terms of what – there's been an interesting kind of spat, right, recently between Europe or maybe EU is a better term because, of course, those are two different things.
01:11:30.300But, you know, the current White House and it seems to be more of a kind of a dislodging in policy towards Europe.
01:11:37.040And, of course, there's been numerous examples why.
01:11:39.560You know, the Ukraine war, the funding for that, the Zelensky debacle in the White House, tariff trade war, even the Greenland purchase slash annexation kind of thing as well.
01:11:48.960I'm not sure if you keep keeping up with any of that.
01:12:17.480And even the NATO thing, the spending on that and TIFIs back and forth and whatnot.
01:12:22.280I think momentarily, at least, it might be a good thing for them to dislodge more of that and hopefully they can strengthen on their own and in future have some type of cooperation more.
01:12:33.160But currently, I think, you know, them separating, so to speak, would be a better – what's your view on that?
01:12:38.000Yeah, so it's a very complicated geopolitical thing.
01:12:41.300You know, I currently do not have any legislative authority to deal with U.S. foreign policy.
01:12:52.480So, yes, I do think that as a – you know, the nations of the European race, we share a common kindred spirit.
01:13:00.460But at the same time, we aren't completely analogous to each other.
01:13:02.900And there – you know, goodness knows there have been times in history where European nations do not agree, even to the point of fighting one another.
01:13:08.540It's actually most of European history.
01:13:12.480But, you know, we do have something common amongst each other that we do not share with other nations.
01:13:18.000And I do think America should be a friend to Europe.
01:13:20.200I think America should – you know, especially, you know, the nations from which Americans draw ancestry.
01:13:25.580We should treat them with a degree of reverence as our former homelands, whereas now we have a new one.
01:13:33.040But at the same time, you know, when you're dealing with very complex questions of, you know, military strategy and trade, you know, and trade relations and all of these other matters, it is incredibly dynamic.
01:13:46.020I do think a lot of people – you know, there are so many people pulling at these institutions because they have – because they're all invested, right?
01:13:53.720There are so many lobbyists and if so many people – and especially with the war going on, and I think the war is a tragedy.
01:14:01.180It is horrific to think about all of the European men and women and children who have been killed, murdered, displaced, who are starving, who are suffering from disease in these countries.
01:14:14.040It is just how much good all of those – I think have a million people died yet?
01:14:21.420Yeah, at least I think if you count both sides.
01:14:24.640As an organizer of men and, you know, as somebody who – I know the men are organized and, you know, and I'm always fighting for more.
01:14:31.960You know, I know how scarce and valuable a resource, you know, our European men of fighting stock are.
01:14:38.460To see that destruction of that is absolutely horrific and I think I understand it in a way that I think a lot of people don't and, you know, as a leader myself.
01:14:48.600But I hope that comes to an end as soon as possible.
01:14:53.320You know, I think trying to be a peace broker instead of an arms dealer is a good step.
01:14:57.720But, you know, the fact that, you know, getting Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting each other, the fact that that's not easy is not surprising.
01:15:05.380And moreover, there are so many European nations which not only have a very genuine oppositional – you know, they have very genuine distaste for Russia.
01:15:14.960But they also – there are so many people who would benefit from a war.
01:15:22.460But, you know, the people who own the factories, the people who are selling the missiles, the people who are making the drones, the people, the politicians who would love to revoke the freedoms and liberties that those nations still maintain.
01:15:36.400You know, if it were up to me, of course, America would be a friend to Europe, but we wouldn't be attached into every rivalry.
01:15:46.880You know, I kind of follow the traditional principle of the Monroe Doctrine, of George Washington's farewell address, and of Charles Lindbergh, you know, the famed aviator and the initiator of America first, right?
01:16:02.640But at the same time, he didn't think America should be fighting all of their wars.
01:16:05.580And I think had America maybe been less involved in certain European conflicts in the past, both them and us would be in a better situation.
01:16:15.000And I think that today, you know, when you go back and you read Lindbergh's speeches, you know, Patriot Front, we have copies of Lindbergh's speeches that we send out to all the members, and we send them out around the country, you know, like through our activism.
01:16:27.200You know, reading that and thinking about the current conflicts in Europe, you know, when he was, you know, very oppositional to World War II, there's so many similarities.
01:16:34.820And there's even similarities to what's going on in Israel and Gaza.
01:16:38.780You know, so, you know, again, our ancestors were smart men, right?
01:16:42.000They were just lived in different times.
01:16:44.460So, yeah, America, a friend to Europe, but perhaps not an entangled ally.
01:16:49.440Yeah, because I think I pulled out, I think it was from the Monroe Doctrine, it was, what was the passage?
01:16:56.320Key points was the U.S. would not interfere in political affairs of Europe, right?
01:16:59.720And that's why I'm talking about that dislodging, right?
01:17:15.800They serve foreign interests in some regards.
01:17:17.700And the same, you know, we share much of the same infliction.
01:17:20.420And so, you know, America's official foreign policy towards Europe is not really that of what American people would actually want it to be.
01:17:27.500No, and perhaps if America becomes a little bit more isolationist, which it seems to be trying in every country but Israel.
01:17:35.500But it could allow Europe to assert itself in an industrial capacity and also to achieve more of its own sphere of influence,
01:17:43.060which could be helpful in the long run for nationalist movements in Europe.
01:17:46.800Because the politicians would have to start making overtures about, hey, we need to assert ourselves as our own country and not, hey, we need to lobby for another country to help pay all of our bills.
01:17:58.000It could accelerate certain conflicts.
01:18:00.280You know, the theorizing about hypotheticals of global geopolitical strategy are a little bit outside of my usual pay grade, unfortunately.
01:18:08.920But, you know, the principles I follow are those that America should be a friend to the world but an ally to none and a great friend to Europe.
01:18:35.020Some smart people have been using that slogan lately.
01:18:37.660So, you know, we can't vote our way out of our problems, but we can organize our way out of them.
01:18:44.520That is something which, you know, Americans are really good at, and Europeans are especially very good at.
01:18:49.720We can take people, we can take resources, we can work them to solve problems, and that's what organizing is.
01:18:56.420Electorally, a purely electoral political strategy will not achieve the results we want.
01:19:00.620You might, theoretically, in some circumstances, be able to achieve some results of a positive nature with it, maybe in the local level, maybe random offices that aren't that well defended.
01:19:19.500You know, we need to employ a wide array of tactics, which all have a uniting strategy, and that needs to be everything that the organization does.
01:19:27.880We do charity work, we improve people physically, we improve people educationally, you know, we create mass media, you know, marketing promotion, we do everything we can do.
01:19:40.280We do everything we can do to change people's lives at every level that we can find them and every level that we can achieve entry into these institutions and physical spaces or, you know, or social spaces or pieces of infrastructure that we can attain and then utilize for change.
01:19:53.640And conventional politics and electoral strategy doesn't need to be forever divorced from that.
01:20:01.360I think there are ways to engage in that.
01:20:04.220And if I was to run for president, which I can't do until I'm 35 anyways, but if I was to run, you know, my first objective would be to try to win.
01:20:13.480But the second very close objective, seeing as I might not win, who knows a lot could change, but seeing as I might not win, my second close objective would be using that as a means to reach people.
01:20:25.800Because a lot of people out there who are not acquainted with nationalist or revolutionary ideas, they, when you're trying to explain, you know, revolutionary activism and organizing, building communities, it's a little bit hard sometimes to get the point across because it is abnormal.
01:20:39.880It should be, it should be the normal, but it is unusual to somebody who is totally unacquainted with these things.
01:20:44.100But if you tell somebody, oh, I'm running for office, they get that, right?
01:20:47.840Now, of course, they don't know that one of those is effective and the other one isn't, but you can use one of them to introduce them to the broader span of the other, right?
01:20:56.280And electoral politics are where a lot of people are, and you need to get them to where they need to be.
01:21:02.960So sometimes stepping into the room of where your people are in order to escort them to where they need to be could be a valuable tactic.
01:21:10.300But again, you know, if I was running for president, you know, besides trying to win, what I would really be trying to do is reach people and create and allow them to help work with my extra political strategies.
01:21:20.740Yeah, so again, people have it wrong, right?
01:21:23.420They think this is going to be a top-down solution, which you guys are doing as the right approach, not only building men up, but doing it from the bottom up, right?
01:21:42.200The whole infrastructure around, it's so rotten to the core.
01:21:45.360Our people are not ready for a nationalist president because we haven't done enough work to deserve one yet.
01:21:53.380You know, there is so much wrong that it needs to be confronted at the very deep levels.
01:21:59.020The demographic America needs most, we cannot recruit, but we must create, right?
01:22:04.260There are men out there who will be the statesmen of tomorrow, but right now they are young.
01:22:08.740Right now they need the experience, they need the lives.
01:22:11.560You know, some of the most famous, you know, Americans like, you know, Theodore Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson and even George Washington, you know, they had lives of struggle and contest where they were, you know, they were frontiersmen.
01:22:24.340They had to climb the ranks, you know, through the military and through, you know, Andrew Jackson was a lawyer and then a judge and then he was a general.
01:22:31.380And then he was, and then he was president, you know, we need to build up our next generation of statesmen through the hardship and through the trials of our politics because only within our politics can men find the proper strife, the proper struggles, the proper opposition that will shape them into the men that America will need.
01:22:52.120Now, exactly what roles they might be filling, you know, will that be the role of generals or judges or statesmen or what have you or community leaders?
01:23:01.880I'm not sure, but right now what we need to do is be building them and to be creating spaces that will become incubators for the leaders of tomorrow.
01:23:09.980Yeah, I think you, I mean, you touched on this earlier, but you talked about your Boy Scout experience and stuff like that too.
01:23:14.320But just like vital things of how, when boys turn into men, how those are missing, right?
01:23:21.640There's no initiation type of things that you're reborn into a life as a man, largely anymore.
01:23:27.380It's not, you know, and so that you have arrested development and all that stuff.
01:23:31.700Now, the plus side, of course, with the times that we're in generally in most Western countries, I'd say, is we're kind of, we are whether we want to or not being served up with some of those hardships right now.
01:23:41.800And it might, you know, because I think complacency is an enemy, right?
01:23:45.560Comfort is an enemy, and it will just make us weaker and softer and more dependent on external, you know, governance and authority to step in and say, we got this for you.