Red Ice TV - Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism： There's Both Conflict & Common Ground

00:00:00.000 So let's talk a bit more about this discussion between so-called Christian nationalism.

00:00:04.340 I guess let's just simplify it, keep the term paganism then, right?

00:00:08.620 What is it? What's the difference?

00:00:10.460 It's an important and interesting discussion to be had.

00:00:13.480 I think we can have it without going to world war with each other over it.

00:00:17.520 But there are a couple of things I want to lay out here first.

00:00:19.520 And one of the reasons I want to approach this is, of course,

00:00:23.040 we have a lot of so-called Christian nationalists out there,

00:00:26.800 which is, I would argue, it's kind of a misnomer, the term.

00:00:29.380 But whatever, let's take their term and use it.

00:00:33.460 But they're attacking so-called pagans.

00:00:36.260 I'm not necessarily super stoked about the term.

00:00:39.980 Paganos, it means of the land.

00:00:41.480 It means those who didn't live in cities.

00:00:43.120 I go way back, right?

00:00:44.620 Even the Romans, like these are barbarians and they're uncivilized, you know, kind of thing. 0.98

00:00:48.780 But it's okay. It doesn't matter.

00:00:50.220 You can say also through or native European spirituality, whatever you're comfortable with.

00:00:54.480 I don't really care, right?

00:00:55.160 But so we had the grifting here of catering to the Christian group in order to be, well, one, accepted and let in.

00:01:07.140 But also I think there's another layer to it where it's about steering it and make sure that it doesn't become something they don't want, right?

00:01:12.540 So here's a screenshot from Stu Peters.

00:01:16.840 He has a show, right?

00:01:18.520 What is it called? Stu Peters Show, I guess it's called.

00:01:21.280 Where apparently Laura Loomer converted to Christianity.

00:01:25.360 I didn't believe this the second that I heard it.

00:01:28.100 No way.

00:01:29.500 No.

00:01:30.000 She did it on his show.

00:01:31.520 It says here for the podcast listener,

00:01:33.820 Laura Loomer just accepted Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior, literally in real time.

00:01:42.480 Laura Loomer now is covered in the blood of Jesus Christ. 0.99

00:01:46.080 And he says,

00:01:46.800 This was the most amazing conversation I have ever had in my entire life.

00:01:52.980 Right away, I just have to say when I heard this, I was like, grift, grift, grift.

00:01:56.980 There is no way that Miss Israeli potential asset, you know, who's always talking about her Jewish heritage, would convert to Jesus Christ.

00:02:06.820 There's just no way.

00:02:08.000 Right away, I was skeptical, like, all right, what's she up to?

00:02:11.400 What's in this grift?

00:02:12.680 What's in this agenda?

00:02:13.820 What's going on?

00:02:14.640 Is she the new face of Christian nationalism now?

00:02:17.200 I am going to stand up for the Judeo-Christian values that our country was founded upon.

00:02:22.260 And I will fight for you.

00:02:23.620 I will fight for your families, and I will fight for Christian nationalism.

00:02:36.200 I'm Jewish.

00:02:37.440 I was raised Jewish, and I am a Jewish woman.

00:02:41.580 But Jesus was a Jew. 0.94

00:02:45.620 Jesus is a Jew. 1.00

00:02:49.100 And Jesus was an activist, right?

00:02:52.700 Jesus was an activist who brought truth and light to people.

00:02:56.980 And I find great inspiration through that.

00:03:00.400 And just like Jesus Christ stormed the temple courts, and he flipped over those tables, and he held the people accountable for selling and buying in the home of the Lord,

00:03:10.780 I am going to storm the United States Capitol when I am elected as your next United States Congresswoman.

00:03:17.140 And I am going to flip those tables over.

00:03:20.360 I think it's very fascinating when you can have groups such as, you know, America First and some of the adjacent people around that, right?

00:03:27.760 That seems to be completely okay with someone like this.

00:03:31.080 And as long as they say they're Christian or whatever, like, well, you know, they said, then they are okay with them.

00:03:36.740 It doesn't matter what their life is actually like and how they actually live.

00:03:39.860 Right, how they act or whatever.

00:03:40.940 We're going to have Congresswoman Loomer, if she pulls out a victory here in this race, it's huge. 1.00

00:03:47.600 And it's unbelievable.

00:03:48.660 This would be the first time that, like, one of our own got into Congress.

00:03:52.340 This would be, like, the first time that, like, one of us, one of the people, I mean to say, got in there.

00:03:59.520 I'd encourage everybody to go and vote for her.

00:04:01.440 People say, well, she's a Zionist.

00:04:03.800 She's a woman. 0.82

00:04:04.680 We don't support women in office. 1.00

00:04:06.020 We don't support Zionists. 1.00

00:04:08.020 And that is true.

00:04:09.960 Her and I disagree on the Zionist issue and on the Israel issue.

00:04:15.420 But the way that I see it is that if she gets elected, she joins other senators and congressmen that are Zionists. 0.95

00:04:23.280 She's just going to be one more who votes in favor of Israel.

00:04:27.560 But she would be the only one who is going to be fully red-pilled.

00:04:32.520 If there's someone out there that's pro-white and Christian, this is not for you and an attack on you or anything like that, we're fine with you and all that stuff. 0.85

00:04:41.780 As we explained before, we're folk first and then everything else comes second.

00:04:45.300 We're bringing this up because I think it's important because there is obviously people that maybe are attracted to this.

00:04:49.900 They think this is a solution.

00:04:51.340 This is something we should do.

00:04:53.180 Or maybe they're on the fence about their religious question.

00:04:55.640 And maybe they're attracted to something that, you know, America First or Andrew Torbaugh is doing with Gab or something like that.

00:05:03.180 So I think this is important to discuss this and say, wow, we think this is going down the wrong path.

00:05:09.800 And we'll explain that and demonstrate that here and bring up some examples of that right now.

00:05:14.880 But basically, as you said, it's all down to someone just saying what they are, right?

00:05:19.160 And if you approach or if you maybe criticize something that the church does or some Christians have done, well, usually the response is, well, they're not real Christians, you know, kind of thing. 0.82

00:05:28.660 But is Laura Loomer a real Christian?

00:05:31.180 No.

00:05:31.780 That recently just arrived at this, right?

00:05:33.480 I don't believe it. 0.96

00:05:34.340 You know, so we can have like America First or Nick Fuentes and all the people around that, you know, who's like, oh, pagans or they're gay and immoral and, you know, all that kind of stuff. 0.85

00:05:43.820 And they're attacking pagans, you know, kind of thing.

00:05:46.240 But they have accepted someone like Milo, for example, right?

00:05:50.040 Also a Jewish guy, right?

00:05:51.860 Living in the UK, Greek Jewish heritage.

00:05:55.100 And let's just remember some of the things that he did way back, right?

00:05:58.200 They have a huge problem, obviously, with someone like the spirit cooking lady, right, Marina Abramovich and stuff like that. 0.74

00:06:05.880 Well, remember this back in 2016 when he was bathing in pig's blood as an alt-right pro-Trump art exhibit.

00:06:13.020 Remember that?

00:06:13.680 Mm-hmm.

00:06:15.120 Pouring blood in a bathtub and, you know, dipping in there and bathing in it.

00:06:20.740 It's like this is – I've never seen any pagan do something like this. 1.00

00:06:25.240 And, again, the argument, well, he was pagan then, right?

00:06:27.900 No, he's been Catholic, I think, since the start.

00:06:30.320 Right.

00:06:30.680 But now he's converted, so now it's fine. 0.98

00:06:32.520 Right now it's been accepted.

00:06:33.440 But the point is they're using, you know, the history against other people, you're right, who haven't converted to Christianity.

00:06:40.580 And now they're bad, right?

00:06:41.240 I don't know any pagans who do this kind of stuff.

00:06:42.960 No, no, of course not, right?

00:06:43.880 And all the pagans that I associate with are highly moral people.

00:06:46.780 Right.

00:06:47.240 So, you know, this is – I think this is disgusting. 0.99

00:06:50.240 And there's another layer to it, too, of course, which is his gayness and his homosexuality. 0.99

00:06:53.960 Remember this, Twinks for Trump, the whole gay scene around Trump and Lady Maga and stuff. 1.00

00:06:58.920 And I haven't seen a denunciation when it comes to, for example, you know, America First of that history or this kind of shit, 0.99

00:07:04.900 that it's like this very, like, gay-adjacent attitudes. 0.99

00:07:09.060 Well, again, well, pagans are all gay, of course, you know, kind of thing. 0.99

00:07:12.720 They're all the degenerates, right? 0.99

00:07:14.200 This is kind of interesting.

00:07:15.220 I just looked at this the other day, right?

00:07:17.660 It was Lucian Wintridge.

00:07:20.440 Remember that?

00:07:20.800 He worked for Gateway Pundit for a while, Twinks for Trump, a photo series.

00:07:26.080 Look at who showed up there.

00:07:27.700 This is Martin Shkreli.

00:07:30.480 For those of you who don't know who he is out there, let me remind you a little bit.

00:07:35.060 This is the guy who they called Pharma Bro.

00:07:38.100 He's now been released from prison.

00:07:40.920 Yes, exactly.

00:07:41.720 He's like an actual criminal, made himself very rich from that.

00:07:45.340 Martin Shkreli, a former pharmaceutical executive known for raising the price of a life-saving drug, thanks NPR, by 5,000%, was released from prison and transferred Wednesday to community confinement.

00:07:57.720 In 2017, a federal jury, this is a year after he went to Twinks for Trump with Milo and Lucian Wintridge, which now is America's first adjacent, right?

00:08:09.140 In 2017, he was dubbed Pharma Bro in the media, guilty on two counts of securities fraud and one count of conspiracies to commit securities fraud.

00:08:17.400 He was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2018.

00:08:21.660 Anyways, it goes on from there.

00:08:22.580 Now, apparently, he's back with some other venture out of prison.

00:08:25.640 Shkreli plans a Web3 drug discovery platform backed by crypto.

00:08:31.800 Oh, this should be good, right? 0.97

00:08:33.860 I'm not sure what the – you know, Lucian Wintridge, right, Twinks for Trump, all gay stuff. 1.00

00:08:39.060 There's some other gay guy. 0.97

00:08:41.360 Weird, right? 0.59

00:08:42.040 But a CEO of a leading LGBTQ rights group played a prominent role during the opioid crisis.

00:08:49.260 I'm not sure what's up with these guys.

00:08:50.640 I'm pushing, like, opioids and drugs and, you know – anyway, this is a side note, right?

00:08:54.920 Side note.

00:08:56.200 But the point is they're fine with that and there's no really wide condemnation of that and it's all this, well, you know, Milo has – he's repented now, so it's fine.

00:09:04.320 And it's like how do you know what really is in his heart?

00:09:07.020 How do you know that it's not a – 0.96

00:09:08.720 And how do you really stop being that gay? 1.00

00:09:12.220 I mean, like, he took it up the bum there for years. 0.99

00:09:14.940 He was married to a guy, a black guy, right? 0.88

00:09:17.300 Yeah. 0.89

00:09:17.480 And, like, he was always going off about his gayness and celebrating it and showing pictures and kissing guys and all this.

00:09:25.200 But now it's all just fine. 0.77

00:09:26.220 He just stopped being gay.

00:09:27.060 Everything is forgiven.

00:09:27.900 No, I don't play it.

00:09:28.720 I think it's a grift.

00:09:29.400 I think it's shallow and I think it's –

00:09:31.060 And he profits financially.

00:09:32.440 Remember, he was ruined financially.

00:09:34.680 And let's face it.

00:09:35.980 I mean, the Christian crowd is very generous in America, the conservative Christian right.

00:09:40.200 They give a lot of money, right?

00:09:42.040 And so that's another thing that draws them.

00:09:44.860 Yes, exactly.

00:09:45.700 And I think that I'm genuinely, like, looking out for those who are pro-whites and who are Christian who might be roped into some of these very bad ideas and bad people and bad influences. 0.69

00:09:57.480 Just because someone says they're a Christian doesn't mean they are.

00:10:00.760 I mean, they're –

00:10:01.420 Right.

00:10:01.540 I mean, how many times have you seen, too, of, like, the merchant right and the Christians that associate with them? 0.99

00:10:06.600 It's come out with literally, like, coke and whores and partying and cheating on their husbands and wives. 1.00

00:10:12.640 Like, it's horrible. 0.99

00:10:13.280 Super trad, right?

00:10:13.840 These are really trad people. 1.00

00:10:15.420 You know, pagans are all gay. 1.00

00:10:16.680 It's fake. 1.00

00:10:17.160 You know, look at the people we associate with, right?

00:10:20.580 And, of course, you do have this issue of a lot of problems within the church.

00:10:23.960 And I've said that before, that your enemies are not pagans.

00:10:26.300 Your enemies are actually the institutions in some cases and the people up at the pulpit and the people around that's using the messages, like, I guess, in the Bible to skew it negatively against white people.

00:10:37.280 So, the replacement will continue, such as this one, right?

00:10:40.420 You shall love the immigrant as yourself.

00:10:42.720 Leviticus 1934.

00:10:44.260 And there's others.

00:10:45.180 We've seen these before in the past, too, where they have full-on, you know, BLM rainbow flags on their churches and stuff, right?

00:10:51.520 I know I've seen individuals who have, like, a Facebook group with, like, 15 people and they claim to be pagan, you know, and they have this attitude or they propose these kinds of things or think that this is the solution.

00:11:04.780 But I haven't seen, like, an institutionalized pagan religion or Ausatür, for example, push these kinds of messages.

00:11:11.620 In fact, we have many of them, you know, officially opposing it, such as the AFA, for example, right, the Ausatür Folk Assembly, right?

00:11:19.100 By the way, this is Unitarian churches.

00:11:20.540 They're kind of known for being New Agey.

00:11:21.980 But still, we do see this on, like, Catholic churches and Protestant churches.

00:11:26.280 We see it on a wide variety of different churches, like, especially in Portland and Seattle right now.

00:11:34.780 Yeah, story.

00:11:36.460 And there's others.

00:11:56.920 We've played some of this, but again, just a reminder here, right?

00:11:59.500 Pagans are not hurting your religion and your tradition in the way that some of their own priests does, right?

00:12:06.280 Two other short clips as a reminder.

00:12:08.260 Check out this pastor here during Pride Month.

00:12:11.500 And why aren't you in uniform?

00:12:18.540 It's a pastor wishing you a happy Pride Month.

00:12:20.760 Her name is Brita Filter, and she is the Queen of New York. 0.65

00:12:27.160 that's an

00:12:57.140 awful lot of people sharing in there that's not uh yeah you could maybe argue that the person on

00:13:01.480 the stage right there is a pagan then or something but uh no they're not they're an lgbtq uh new

00:13:07.540 ager who is more obsessed about homo religion exactly you know perverting the message and 0.75

00:13:12.500 stuff right but but the point is uh it's the clergy of this new york church that let them in

00:13:17.280 and so that's your that's your enemy right there not not pro-white people if you're pro-white

00:13:22.060 it's impossible to be anti-pagan and pro-white and we'll talk more about that in a moment but i

00:13:28.480 want to cover a couple of other people too in this right and we have people such as and again it's not 0.91

00:13:32.920 to you know necessarily like shit on these people but it's to show you that they can have a very 0.57

00:13:39.440 troubled past right a spotty past and then all of a sudden they just claim that they're one thing and 0.99

00:13:44.440 everything is forgiven and it's fine right now i think it's kind of hypocritical you know here's

00:13:47.720 milo with baked alaska right you know he was taking like photos with him and uh you know like

00:13:52.840 you know what was it say said uh baked alaska said niggas think they're owning me with a five-year-old 0.95

00:14:00.920 pic of me and milo trolling the hell out of his timeline uh laugh my ass off y'all have no sense 0.89

00:14:07.080 of humor let bros be bros we've been good friends for a long time now also milo milo is very straight

00:14:14.360 now and catholic very proud of how far totally straight now yeah i totally see that so that how

00:14:21.220 that works then if they've done something bad then as long as you just say that they're you know

00:14:24.920 christian or catholic then that you know they come around okay and here's another one by the way too

00:14:30.780 check out this music video here i'm just saying like you know this is stuff that you could uh

00:14:35.660 potentially you know criticize if you're christian uh someone like baked alaska for uh check out this

00:14:41.040 video here

00:14:45.640 i need some motivation i'm blazing my spaces send me news i'm fine i rushed out

00:14:50.540 you jayton i'm a split deliver i'm getting impatient got 101 problems i could spot a donation turns up

00:14:57.940 like a station hot 97 hating windows fogged up so i got some bill getting milk on my checklist

00:15:04.600 if you want a pearl necklace yeah toast is true to breakfast

00:15:09.200 so yeah like a like a cat boy um i have never seen this it is just oh my god i mean it's all like

00:15:21.620 he was working for buzzfeed for a little bit and stuff like that too right i mean but it's just like

00:15:25.680 you well my point is it's like there's a lot of kind of suspicious uh circumstances around a lot of

00:15:31.440 these people right and and and it's like you know let's jump on the next thing right christian

00:15:35.820 nationalism right yeah the cat boy thing of course uh what was his name again loli socks or something

00:15:41.000 right the cat boy or cammy or what was his name again right i don't even know he hangs out with a

00:15:44.840 lot of this and stuff right uh and so you know it's it's as i said we put this picture up last week

00:15:51.000 too but it's like you know these people can claim they're christian right and a lot of christians

00:15:55.880 therefore are are more okay with them than they are with a white person who is a pagan like you and

00:16:02.680 i yes they would they would rather choose them than you and i because we're not wearing a cross

00:16:08.820 but then my argument is then they're not really pro-white are they no i mean no can they be no i

00:16:14.140 don't think so so that that's that's the point here right and we of course have a lot of other

00:16:17.620 angles to this that you could take again that the problem is within the institutions the judeo-christian

00:16:24.000 you know traditions i am going to stand up for the judeo-christian values that our country was

00:16:29.300 founded upon that's a bigger enemy i'd say that you should attack than pagans uh right usa news

00:16:36.340 even covered this and said obama is wrong when he says we're not a judeo-christian nation why well

00:16:40.480 because we really are and then of course then you have all the israel support christians should

00:16:45.740 support israel 80 of pastors agree only 14 disagreed so basically like the church in america has

00:16:52.540 become a huge grift for israel yeah you have things like the scoffield bible right all these

00:16:57.840 pro-israeli kind of uh you know priests and stuff like that there's other examples like this one a

00:17:03.340 sin against the lord himself christians can't love christ and hate jews there's many more of these in

00:17:09.960 fact too jerusalem post five reasons christians should always support israel so if you're not if

00:17:15.720 you if you're not pro-israel if you're not a zionist right then again i could say this to be a

00:17:20.560 bigger problem that no there's no pagans doing this to you right how does israel support christians

00:17:25.340 by the way they don't pope francis inside every christian is a i laughed so hard when i saw this

00:17:31.320 and of course he backs uh same-sex civil unions right that's a big one kisses the feet of migrants 0.99

00:17:37.220 of migrants right we've shown these a couple of times it's just a reminder it's not to shit on 0.99

00:17:41.240 your religion if you're christian i'm just saying these are bigger bigger enemies than any 1.00

00:17:45.920 any pagan or osatru group is or something like that right uh you should stop putting uh time

00:17:51.740 into fighting them and and starting putting it towards fighting your own uh establishment inside

00:17:57.600 of the churches to turn it in the right direction a positive direction a direction that ultimately is

00:18:02.540 uh pro-white that would be great wouldn't that be great and we've seen that uh lately as well and

00:18:06.980 i brought up torba before so let's talk just a little bit about him uh and again i think he's doing

00:18:10.880 you know he's doing a lot of good things with gab right and things like this i've been very

00:18:14.920 supportive of him in the past uh but then lately i've seen his turn basically into just a big

00:18:19.300 pagan bashing and again i think that's wrong i think his time and effort should be better spent on

00:18:23.820 uh fighting back against the clergy which is perverting uh his church and the other christian

00:18:28.900 institutions and stuff like that so he posted this on his telegram the other day the conflict has

00:18:33.840 always been and will be until the end christianity or paganism the idols or the living god abraham 0.77

00:18:43.540 kiper kiper uh a quote from that man right so so that's kind of shows what he the um the axe that

00:18:50.760 he has to grind right so he linked this article up the other day too uh unbelief is destructive that's

00:18:57.620 why pagan nationalism is so dangerous from august 4 by something called the uh lancaster patriot now

00:19:06.180 i believe this is torba behind it i could be wrong on that but as you can see up here that's

00:19:10.800 it's on gab news right and they mean unbelief by unbelief in christianity is destructive right i mean

00:19:17.920 they're acting like the pre-christian uh traditions don't have any sorts of beliefs or code of ethics

00:19:26.220 or morals or as we'll get into later they haven't had any impact on the building of western civilization

00:19:32.100 which is just outrageous yeah so he did say this listen to this and this is what i'm saying too

00:19:36.720 though you know we'll talk about the pagan thing in a little bit right or what they call pagan

00:19:40.540 nationalism because that's basically anything else that's not christian i'm not sure if what they

00:19:44.900 think about um muslim and judaism is that still it's abraham is adjacent or something i'm not sure

00:19:53.080 about that uh but listen what he said here and this is my argument again that i think this is negative to

00:19:59.500 any pro pro-white uh forces and organizations and individual out there to have this uh mindset 0.68

00:20:05.480 listen to what torba said here i don't care if you are jewish atheist pagan black white hispanic

00:20:12.880 asian indian i don't care and neither does god if you accept jesus christ as your lord and savior and

00:20:20.040 repent you are my brother you are my sister you are a part of the kingdom of god okay

00:20:28.640 jesus christ saves he does not discriminate he is not a racial supremacist god does not value

00:20:36.560 one racial or ethnic group over another okay the message and the gospel message of jesus is open

00:20:44.540 and the salvation and the saving grace of jesus christ is open to everybody period so convert to

00:20:53.380 christianity and i'm fine with you right okay hold on that's an ultimately will be ultimately that will

00:21:00.860 mean that you could replace all the white people that have been christians uh with africans or with

00:21:07.880 uh south americans or whatever or asians even or something like that and as long as they're just 0.99

00:21:12.740 christians uh they're fine with that that's what i'm hearing here so then why talk about why defend

00:21:18.260 white people at all why talk about demographics at all because he he talks about all these things we

00:21:23.240 see all these things on gab all the time why care about any of that at all then if if race doesn't

00:21:28.580 matter race doesn't matter ethnicity doesn't matter all that matters is christianity so is he turning

00:21:33.040 his back now on the racial aspect possible maybe he's changing his tune right that's possible or he's

00:21:37.600 just saying that uh you know he associates whiteness with christianity so that he still sees that that's a

00:21:42.640 defense of christianity ultimately um but i'm saying that i i personally think this is very problematic

00:21:48.040 right that you can just now how is this different from any other left-wing global homo kind of 0.99

00:21:54.540 perspective it's not it's kind of like as long as you accept christianity then it's okay then we can

00:21:59.980 have a slow replacement as long as they're all christians right i mean 50 percent of uh of african 0.86

00:22:06.920 nations are christian for nigerians nigerians have christian nationalism right and they're one of the

00:22:11.720 biggest uh you know countries in the world their populations are exploding and i i'm not okay with

00:22:17.100 them coming to our countries and just because they're christian obviously right no and honestly 0.99

00:22:21.880 what i what i would like to see is all the peoples of the world returning to their indigenous faiths i

00:22:27.740 think everybody would be much better off if that were to happen yeah so anyway so so that's a big

00:22:34.520 problem right i think it's a it's a problem uh for anybody who might be you know kind of around our

00:22:39.980 circles and then maybe there's some overlap there's some people that are interested in this

00:22:43.240 or they think well he's you know i'm a christian so i think this is good and i follow people like

00:22:47.240 torba i follow people like milo yiannopoulos or uh nick fuentes of america first or baked alaska or

00:22:53.520 something like that i'm not sure if there's any overlap but if it is that that's kind of this is kind

00:22:56.680 of for you and basically if you spend more time attacking other pro-white people who are pagan

00:23:02.820 uh then you're attacking uh either your own institutions or or any other institution that's

00:23:07.820 just going after christians even uh i think that is a horrible and detrimental battle uh to fight

00:23:15.440 and i don't think that the fight is there i don't think that's the most important one but it looks

00:23:19.240 like to them if we go back to his uh quote there again that that seems to be that his that's his

00:23:25.260 biggest axe to grind now there could be potentially a definition issue right where they basically just

00:23:30.480 say that anything that's not christianity all of that is kind of pagan and that's obviously

00:23:34.220 over simplification there's many other uh faiths and belief system out there but i what i get the

00:23:39.120 sense of is that he's attacking intentionally like european paganism that's what it feels like to be

00:23:44.340 honest when you read the article it was a little bit about like the babylonians or something like

00:23:48.620 that right the uh lancaster report article uh it was a little bit about uh during the during biblical

00:23:54.680 times so-called you know pagan nations babylon egypt and things like this right we want to ask the

00:23:59.640 question here is it you know if we talk about what what upholds western values and i saw a tweet

00:24:05.560 uh the other day and of course you you as well lon i've been thinking about this let me show you the

00:24:09.620 tweet real quick is it is it europeans first that build the west or is it religions first that build

00:24:15.840 the west if you if you've got to prioritize one of them right and i saw this tweet here it was

00:24:19.620 catholicism that gave birth to western civilization which is the greatest civilization in the history of

00:24:26.520 mankind so the primary responsibility to stop the downfall of this civilization lies with the 1.00

00:24:33.340 catholic church right now we just show what the catholic church is up to the the head of the catholic

00:24:38.240 church is anti-white anti-western civilization so no and it's not religion that builds societies it's 0.77

00:24:45.340 the people and in this case it's europeans that built western civilization and it wasn't born just

00:24:51.360 overnight in a day with these cathedrals it was a like any society it's an incremental process of

00:24:57.220 all those who have gone before you and you build upon what they have done right but what i feel like 0.90

00:25:02.600 is that they are just shitting all over their ancestors before christianity like society and 0.74

00:25:07.880 civilization building just began just began with christianity two thousand years ago and that's it 1.00

00:25:12.940 and everything before that there were these horrible brutes who were just total idiots and morons 1.00

00:25:17.360 to me that's shitting on your race that's that's crapping on your people and historically historically 1.00

00:25:23.480 wrong it's incorrect when they're trying to say that these great civilizations weren't built and built 0.99

00:25:28.380 until christianity i mean roman greece you said egypt persian phoenicians you can even argue that like

00:25:35.540 you could even argue that egyptian and babylonian ones might have been indo-aryan at some well of

00:25:41.040 course and then outside of the white ones and you have you know chinese and you could put freaking aztec in

00:25:46.600 there it's like yeah civilization building didn't happen just when christianity came onto the scene

00:25:52.520 you know this has been happening for thousands of years right so and yes and christianity largely has

00:25:59.200 been borrowed by the pre-christian faiths a lot of the traditions that were supplanted into it right

00:26:03.520 yeah there was a you didn't they didn't do it overnight right and it became christendom the way we

00:26:08.640 know it now in the west became unique not because of the text associated with it but because of the

00:26:16.000 people that adopted it right and the fact that they took from prior things they adopted things

00:26:20.280 that were tweaking there were transformations it was kind of a merger with pagan traditions right

00:26:24.540 it took a long time right still christmas and midsummers in many other countries to to this day so

00:26:29.660 could you really even argue that it's like these nations that still hold some of these so-called

00:26:33.960 pagan traditions alive truly are 100 christian right not really it's a bleed over and as you said it

00:26:39.400 didn't happen overnight it was like dual faith in some countries for a long time hundred years oh at least

00:26:44.140 in some cases right so what we're asking for is a recognition that western civilization would not

00:26:51.580 exist in the way that it exists without the christian church but it would also not exist without the

00:26:57.520 pagan traditions that preceded that right that's right it both contributed to each other and you

00:27:02.280 had to build up over time of civilization you're part of both right yes whether you like it or not

00:27:07.860 your ancestors followed traditional folk faiths long before the abrahamic religions were pushed on

00:27:15.100 them so you can't that's why we say you can't be anti-pagan and pro-white you can't be anti-pagan

00:27:21.360 and pro your own ancestors right you just can't no no and so ultimately you it's kind of like a

00:27:27.780 like a choice essentially you have to do that well are you pro-christian and if you are

00:27:32.560 then uh to accept that your ancestors that they had that with them right yeah and also one of the

00:27:39.520 proofs for this is it's the same argument that we're here well it's not the you know it's the

00:27:43.660 constitution that makes america great right well they tried to export that in liberia and nothing

00:27:49.300 happened there's cannibalism tried right it's because the people and same thing goes here it's

00:27:53.960 not because of the bible that we are great but it's because of who we are and we built civilization

00:28:00.400 and the and western civilization us europeans we did it over thousands of years right it was a

00:28:05.140 collective effort of all these different european peoples over time and and different you know

00:28:09.540 achievements different discoveries at certain points but if it was down to just the ideas or

00:28:15.780 the philosophy or the religious scriptures the the book the bible or whatever you could take that

00:28:21.300 and export that to any other nation around the world and they would have just achieved what we did

00:28:25.660 in the west as well and it has been exported to other countries it has right but that hasn't happened

00:28:29.640 in africa you know choose those or south america or mexico the same thing hasn't happened it's not

00:28:36.120 religion that builds societies it's your it's in our case europeans it's europeans it does it exactly

00:28:41.580 so it's your race that's why we say folk first right yeah and odeo christian values right so we're

00:28:48.400 asking for we're not saying exclude christianity it's never been anything uh uh there's never anything

00:28:54.480 good in there and throw it all out the window and we can you know we're asking for you as a christian

00:29:00.100 to recognize that your ancestors were pagan take the roman empire the roman empire was pagan for about

00:29:06.320 a thousand years when they finally converted or made christianity to a official state religion around

00:29:12.300 325 or so it fell not that long after councils of nicaea right the second one i believe uh it fell

00:29:19.620 about 80 years after that right so you know you could argue this back and forth all day long

00:29:24.660 uh but but one thing we have to recognize is how specifically the uh northern and even central

00:29:32.580 european people contributed to christianity especially medieval christianity this is a good source here

00:29:37.880 called the germanization of early medieval christianity a socio-historic approach to religious

00:29:43.700 transformation by james c russell and that's a very good start to kind of begin recognizing this

00:29:49.760 and that's also why i don't i don't throw out christianity because i know that within that there

00:29:57.280 are our traditions yeah there's some good things in there and in fact you can even look at it this

00:30:01.940 way check this out for example right look at the um look at the gothic cathedrals right beautiful when

00:30:08.860 notre dame in france uh burnt right i mean i was sad i almost cried it was like this is a horrible

00:30:16.240 day for any european anybody who believes in western civilization and i did that as a pagan right yeah

00:30:22.040 why well because first of all begin with the name gothic cathedrals what do you think that comes from

00:30:27.580 who are the gothic peoples right the gothic peoples first originated in scandinavia and sweden

00:30:33.040 i'm sitting next to one right now right where i grew up and they of course migrated to uh

00:30:38.300 kind of central europe or the era of poland today they migrated further down a little bit later

00:30:42.880 you can look at some of these pictures beautiful buildings these are stone monuments right but does

00:30:50.700 it remind you of anything i have some slides here to show you just just take a look at some of these

00:30:53.980 first here beautiful architecture this could only come from the european mind right but the the way

00:31:00.720 that they look there's a distinct reason for that and it's very pagan right these are essentially

00:31:07.160 trees these are trees with the canopy at the very top these are very organic structures right

00:31:13.900 these are basically the so-called pagan evil sacred groves that man worshipped in not not

00:31:22.100 worshipping trees but a veneration of nature and the beauty of nature right and these buildings

00:31:27.800 are let me look at this this is in uh barcelona i think one of the uh one of the uh cathedrals

00:31:34.160 there uh familia i forget what it was called right but beautiful beautiful building that's that's

00:31:41.300 tree that's trees that's trees stretching up to the heavens look at that uh undeniable right i mean

00:31:47.700 look at uh even the people have argued like how the how the light flows in between the the stone

00:31:53.100 pillars right uh these are basically sacred groves they're made in stone perfected by man

00:32:00.000 right you take natural elements let's go over to a look at some of the forests now right the the how

00:32:05.140 the trees look right when the light uh shimmers through uh the trees like that they're that and

00:32:11.240 these were the early temples of our pre-christian ancestors they would go out to these forests right

00:32:17.460 to have their rituals and their ceremonies and their gatherings it was the early day church right

00:32:23.460 yes and and then interesting you have over time too right when we actually started you know i think

00:32:27.460 it was a natural of course veneration for nature that's where god presided right that's that's

00:32:32.120 where the gods were that's where the the spirit was god is in nature yes uh and then eventually when

00:32:38.020 we start planting trees look at this here right that in rows like this you you this is the middle

00:32:42.740 way right of us taming nature of us basically going to a place from where we recognize nature

00:32:47.300 we're one with nature nature is where the spirit and the gods are eventually we learn to control

00:32:53.920 nature and take over and that's part of western civilization too of us you know not only learning

00:32:58.960 from it but like harnessing it right bending it to our will to a certain extent when you start planting

00:33:03.960 these trees like this in these rows right what does this remind you of this is this is a a passage of a

00:33:10.040 of a cathedral right you can go back and forth between some of these uh some of these pictures

00:33:14.300 here right look at that that's the trees right there all right that's what it looks like that's why

00:33:18.280 these are gothic pagan people inspired these buildings in stone that's what's so remarkable

00:33:23.280 about this right uh there's other pictures too that people have taken anybody if you look up to the the

00:33:28.500 top of the canopy right but this is a the nave of a church these are sacred groves uh there's a there's

00:33:34.640 another one right there of like looking looking up right at the uh at the at the ceiling uh of a of a

00:33:40.420 church there's like overlaps look at how organic that looks with the the trees and stuff right

00:33:44.240 so this is why this is this is this this came from us it could only have come from us in fact

00:33:52.120 if you want to dig even deeper look into the fascinating story of even how the cathedrals

00:33:56.820 were built overall look at someone like falconelli and his work on the great cathedrals

00:34:01.100 very mysterious we don't know much about the knowledge where it came from and you could even argue

00:34:05.760 right that when western civilization really gets going is of course during the renaissance period right 0.99

00:34:11.500 science art everything in this explodes right but where do they dig out all of this knowledge

00:34:16.740 from well it's the de medici family who started digging out the ancient knowledge that came from

00:34:21.920 the ancient world egyptian babylonian uh uh you know the palmyra right the carthage some of these

00:34:28.880 old areas right and uh basically that was that was aryan indo-aryan indo-european civilization

00:34:35.380 that built that you know alexander the great right all these great uh you know sparta right

00:34:40.720 all these great civilizations great stories that we have that's our people right and they start

00:34:45.840 digging out that occult esoteric western become the western occult esoteric tradition and everything

00:34:51.640 just explodes and we did the point is we did it all together that's the thing it's our race it's

00:34:56.760 our people who did this amazing things amazing accomplishments it could never have been done

00:35:01.400 without paganism or without christianity in the form that currently has and don't and you can't

00:35:06.320 insult your your ancestors who some people believe like our ancestors didn't have a code of ethics or

00:35:14.420 morals until the bible showed up like they were just immoral people who didn't know right from wrong 0.58

00:35:19.220 and didn't know what good behavior was until the bible shows up that's very insulting to your ancestors

00:35:23.700 yeah of course they knew of course they knew not to lie cheat and steal and you know cheat on your

00:35:29.200 wife and these are these are things that are built into us into humanity like we know what right and 1.00

00:35:35.160 wrong is we didn't have to wait for essentially some jews to show up in the desert to to give us 1.00

00:35:40.100 our moral code that's very insulting it's very insulting and it's also very it's really fitting 0.96

00:35:45.160 in line with the liberal agenda to just be like your ancestors basically were we're all evil horrible

00:35:50.200 people right if that's what you're going to say before christianity right like these people we

00:35:54.420 should just disregard all of all of this uh prior to christianity because these people were not good

00:36:00.640 people essentially is what they're saying people who are anti-pagan yeah i mean this is like the

00:36:05.380 jared diamond uh is that his name yeah the oil guns and wheat or what is it called again is what

00:36:11.700 it's i'll throw it up on screen here but uh you know basically condensed to boil down it's basically

00:36:16.860 well europeans just happened to be in the right area geographically they just they were just lucky

00:36:21.880 and that's the only reason why uh you know they became successful they just could grow this plentiful

00:36:26.700 food and they got time to spend on other things and that's the only reason why industrial revolution

00:36:31.360 came from europeans my answer is no i think we would have done it essentially almost anywhere where

00:36:36.960 we set our foot and we've we've managed to maintain civilization almost on any place that we've set

00:36:41.840 foot as well maybe there are a couple of exceptions but mostly no read something like tacitus germania right 0.99

00:36:48.000 that's a very good initial reading stop shitting on your ancestors if you're pro-white stop shitting on 0.98

00:36:53.780 them learn what they said about them and especially you know you know i really like the germanic stuff 0.99

00:36:58.600 but there's great stuff on the slavic tribes he writes that about the groves too and think about

00:37:02.720 that like of why they made the churches to look like sacred groves or in nature you know i mean he says

00:37:08.340 they acknowledge chieftains on the grounds of birth but appoint their generals on grounds of courage

00:37:13.300 nor is a chieftain's power unlimited or exercised arbitrarily while their generals lead rather by example

00:37:21.120 than command through admiration for their energy and conspicuousness in the front ranks for the rest

00:37:27.480 of their priests are allowed to inflict capital punishment imprisonment or flogging and by the way

00:37:32.680 they talk in the here too how uh immoral behavior was like they they literally like drowned uh people

00:37:40.200 that were behaving immorally and stuff like that you know capital punishment he talks about the strict

00:37:45.020 marriage uh laws and and and rules that they had right monogamous i mean it's it contains all of

00:37:51.720 it basically and it says here certain effigies and emblems brought from sacred groves they carry into

00:37:57.080 battle but the grace and enticement to courage is that neither chance nor random association contributes

00:38:02.600 a squadron or a wedge but rather family and kinship and their partners are close by so that the

00:38:09.720 women's wail and the children's cries can be heard these are the witnesses most precious to them this is their

00:38:16.240 greatest source of praise to mothers to wives they show their wounds who do not shrink from demanding

00:38:22.560 a sight from them numbering the blows and delivering food and encouragement right very strong family bonds

00:38:28.660 yeah of course because family is what holds a society together it's what holds a village together and i think if we get

00:38:33.980 into also like some of kevin mcdonald's work too about you know living in these cold living in these

00:38:39.040 cold villages right you have to trust each other you have to be able to depend on each other you can't 0.99

00:38:44.280 act like a an idiot who's lying and cheating and stealing and trying to get your you know friend's 0.99

00:38:49.700 wife or whatever you'll get thrown out of the village put in the right it's essential for their 1.00

00:38:54.080 survival to work together and have unity right so they did have their code of ethics and and their

00:39:00.000 morals so it really bothers me to hear when people say well you know what pagan all the pagan

00:39:06.160 civilizations uh they all fell right because they didn't have a christian ethics well look at us now

00:39:12.160 we don't it's it's global and as i said they didn't either we still have pagan traditions i mean we

00:39:17.140 covered the other week the grain god survived late into the 20th century no we still have we still

00:39:22.820 have you we have midsummer we have easter like these are the news for you guys but that's that's

00:39:27.480 pagan roots but what's happening now is not a pagan nationalism this is globo homo internationalism 0.83

00:39:35.100 these are people that are like the they don't like christianity or paganism they don't like

00:39:40.200 anything that's natural law i mean the root of paganism is you know family and soil right blood

00:39:46.260 and honor and nation these people are the opposite of all of those things absolutely no it's a new age

00:39:51.840 earth worship religion i think we can all agree on that maybe so it's dishonest to just put oh let's

00:39:56.720 just put everything in the pagan categories are you going to put a you know buddhism hinduism uh

00:40:02.100 it's just the same as asatru and just the same as american indian religions that's just that's

00:40:07.000 just dishonest look i mean japan has obviously been doing very well right for uh for some time and

00:40:11.980 they're pagan right because they're not following the abrahamic faith right uh iceland have uh accepted

00:40:17.500 asatru as an official religion in the country iceland is doing pretty well at least for now we'll see

00:40:22.740 what happens with the vaccine right but uh you know there are there are other countries they're

00:40:26.160 doing other things and uh it's and of course christianity has not been a guarantee uh against

00:40:33.740 globalism or this uh degeneracy now it's welcoming it it's being pushed from the pulpit in some cases

00:40:40.760 here's another one uh they also judge from the greatness of the divine that a god should not be

00:40:45.160 enclosed within walls i found this interesting right because they they had that initially they didn't

00:40:49.600 want to close god into a space right nor given the likeness of a human face rather they consecrate

00:40:54.760 woods and groves and gives sacred names to a mystery which only all can behold right so but

00:41:00.500 something happened along the way as we started getting influence of other uh other traditions as

00:41:06.960 well uh they started bit they did at some point build temples right wooden temples they did place

00:41:12.000 gods inside of there but that's a that's what i'm saying that's an evolution through the gothic

00:41:16.580 cathedrals and eventually the very consecration of sacred groves and woods that that is rooted in

00:41:23.040 paganism was actually became the building itself yes you see what i'm saying yes and and and god was

00:41:29.120 housed inside of that building is a perfect beautiful marriage of our europeans ancestors how they merged

00:41:34.760 pagan traditions uh with their new faith years in the making this is it doesn't just happen overnight

00:41:40.560 with just oh christianity came that's it it's all built in it's simplified it's dishonest and everyone

00:41:46.700 before that went to hell right yeah then i guess if they didn't accept jesus and they didn't know about

00:41:52.760 jesus this whole time before they're all all your ancestors are rotting in hell right now how close 0.81

00:41:59.380 no sorry how close has man got to replicate the wonders of natural creation the first thing that

00:42:07.020 comes to mind is the gothic architecture why when we stand humbled in its grand wide halls people are

00:42:13.400 coming from all over the world to see some of these buildings by the way and in some cases we don't

00:42:17.020 even know today how to build some of this stuff we don't even know how they did it rather i mean you

00:42:21.700 could replicate it but even some of the early stained glass windows techniques it's like this is

00:42:25.520 fascinating story look into that uh they say here when we stand humbled in its grand wide halls under its

00:42:32.240 ascending arches we are reminded of the soaring trees of the forest the grand pillars and vaults are

00:42:38.160 the trunks and the branches of high oaks and on the exterior of these noble temples the piercing stone

00:42:44.500 fingers reach desperately towards the heavens samuel taylor coleridge said the principle of gothic

00:42:50.580 architecture is infinity made imaginable this is the key to understanding gothic style its principal source

00:42:57.460 of aesthetics are the ever-expanding gigantic forests of northern europe right read read some articles

00:43:04.400 like this the mad genius of gothic architecture great great piece right yeah so in conclusion if you

00:43:09.840 want to take anything away here from this discussion i'd say this who built the west well europeans did and

00:43:15.280 we would have done it uh more or less in uh in in in maybe not the same way but we would have done it

00:43:21.700 regardless of what our belief system was and it was a trajectory over time and the point here too is

00:43:26.740 uh do not uh infight do not um put down your ancestors this is exactly what the uh the critical

00:43:35.000 theory people do the deconstructionists do right they continue saying you are not unique you didn't

00:43:39.740 do any you didn't build that right essentially and we're not saying christian didn't build that we're

00:43:44.160 saying we built it together right uh they were christianized many of them by that time uh but they

00:43:48.840 also borrowed from a previous tradition so uh stop the infighting if you're pro-white don't be

00:43:54.960 anti-pagan you don't have to be pro-pagan and push it if you want to but don't put it down all right

00:44:01.200 yes and to pagans out there also recognize that we have a shared uh common bond and we have way more

00:44:07.460 in common uh than we have uh you know not and essentially we're being surrounded by hostile 0.95

00:44:12.540 people we're being slowly replaced and taken over and those who hate us they don't give a shit about 0.89

00:44:17.420 what you uh what you what you have in your mind they see your skin color and and you're on their 0.96

00:44:22.000 list that's basically that we have to we have to work together we have to join and we have to make

00:44:27.800 sure or at least well these have different divisions or different uh you know two different

00:44:32.320 camps but that we have a cool joint common goal common goal here essentially exactly

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Red Ice TV - August 18, 2022

Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism： There's Both Conflict & Common Ground

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