Red Ice TV - Conservatives, White Nationalism & Theology of Deconstruction

00:00:00.000 all right ladies and gentlemen welcome back to red ass tv good to have you all here thank you

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00:00:39.380 kind of kicking up interview season here again we've taken a break from this and there's a number

00:00:44.200 of guests i want to bring on the show if you guys have guest suggestions do let me know by the way

00:00:49.300 email is on the website but today we're talking with gregory hood who finally joins us i've wanted

00:00:54.400 to have gregory on for i mean some time now uh and i'm just i'm glad we finally can sit down and do

00:01:00.120 this greg how's things going thank you for coming on going really well it's all uh good problems to

00:01:04.780 have in terms of how much is going on and how busy i am exactly that's the time from worst of times as

00:01:10.520 far as the movement goes that's right exactly so so if you guys uh are not familiar with greg i'm sure

00:01:15.120 many of you are uh of course writer for amrin vdare uh he is part of the wolves of vinland and things

00:01:20.780 like that we've spoken to some of those guys obviously jared we've had on um is what would

00:01:25.880 you like to say in terms of introductions uh otherwise uh gregory well at this point i think

00:01:30.380 most people know me for what i've been writing at vdare and american renaissance uh i've spoken at the

00:01:35.280 last few american renaissance conferences and i'll be speaking at the next one i had a compilation out

00:01:39.440 a few years ago called waking up from the american dream and i'm working on a book now called

00:01:43.180 nationalists without a nation and really what i think my role is in all this is as some one of the

00:01:51.180 guys who we all kind of pretend that it wasn't a thing now but as one of the guys who was sort of

00:01:55.820 in the movement before the alt-right during the alt-right and then after i think that my role in this

00:02:01.980 is to take the people who are coming into the movement now so they can avoid some of the mistakes

00:02:06.660 of the past but also orient us towards you know what we actually want for a future and what i've

00:02:12.140 been saying for some time now is we need to have some core ideal and for me that core ideal is the

00:02:17.740 forbidden phrase white nationalism yeah no absolutely yeah kind of what i guess i want to have white

00:02:22.100 nationalism as a theme a little bit today there was a this incredible clip on msnbc where this came up

00:02:27.180 it was hubberville i'm not sure if you caught that but he may the controversy with the military yeah

00:02:32.140 we are losing in the military so fast our readiness in terms of recruitment and why i can tell you why

00:02:39.460 because the democrats are attacking our military saying we need to get out the white extremists

00:02:44.520 the white nationalists people that don't don't believe in in our agenda as as uh joe biden agenda

00:02:50.800 they're destroying it you mentioned the biden administration trying to prevent um white

00:02:56.400 nationalists from being in the military do you believe they should allow white nationalists in

00:03:02.900 the military well they call them that i call them americans what is today's republican party right what

00:03:10.280 does it stand for what does it really believe in the year 2023 that's what standing up for white

00:03:17.820 nationalists not just standing up for them saying they belong in the military they're quote i call

00:03:22.620 them americans just like everybody else white nationalists just like any other ideology

00:03:27.820 it's a republican sitting senator he immediately sought to clean it up i guess you can call it that

00:03:35.120 his spokesperson said that the senator was being skeptical of the notion that they're white nationalists

00:03:40.200 in the military not that he believes that they should be in the military although as you heard

00:03:45.200 with your own ears that is not at all what he said today when asked by our colleague julie

00:03:50.640 serkin to clarify his comments about white nationalists in the military here's what tuberville

00:03:56.920 said sir if there are folks with white nationalist beliefs of which there are in this country

00:04:02.000 unfortunately do you believe they should be serving in the military uh you got to define that first

00:04:07.440 what is a white national someone who propagates nazism someone who doesn't believe that black and

00:04:12.400 brown people you think white nationalists is a is a is a nazi well that is one of their beliefs

00:04:18.680 well i don't look at it like that how do you look at it i look at a white nationalist as a

00:04:25.280 is a trump republican that's what we're called all the time a mega person that's what i'm just

00:04:31.040 i agree that we should not be characterizing trump supporters as white nationalists the phrase white

00:04:40.180 nationalism of course is that everything is white national exactly even like grammar that's white

00:04:45.380 nationalists showing up on time as white nationalists enforcing the laws so i mean we have to be kind of

00:04:51.760 precise in what we're talking about here but the way the left exaggerates i think is also useful because

00:04:57.520 if you ask a person well what what is it that you want what are the basic things you expect from

00:05:03.220 your government and from the state they're going to say things like well law justice order

00:05:08.340 well these things are all pathologized as white nationalism now so we're gonna have to deal with

00:05:14.420 that whether we like it or not yeah exactly and i mean his point was all i think was good he went in

00:05:20.060 that direction but his point was well as you say they call everybody that now when they have an

00:05:25.180 internal investigation in the military and the in the police to purge white nationalists or white

00:05:30.300 supremacists we know that that's just a uh a buzzword we know that that that's a way for them to get out

00:05:36.060 their political enemies whether they actually are actually white nationalists or not you know i mean

00:05:40.340 right right and it's the definition now is so broad that it basically includes everybody who was

00:05:49.040 american president at least before 1965 and pretty much all americans up until what 10 years ago it

00:05:55.380 wasn't even considered controversial for example to have say a confederate flag tattoo or have bases

00:06:00.620 named after confederate generals or anything like that these things are now called white nationalists well

00:06:05.300 you can say that and you can push through some ideological transformation and talk about how

00:06:09.320 important all this is but the problem is you're not going to be able to appeal to the memory of

00:06:13.360 anybody who was in any of these institutions up until what 10 years ago i mean how many people

00:06:20.080 in the army the marine corps the navy were southerners appealed to the southern tradition

00:06:26.260 appealed to the history of the confederacy and thought that as something to be honored now they're being

00:06:31.240 told that that's the equivalent of national socialism well yeah if you're going to try that line then you

00:06:36.840 can't really appeal to the mystic chords of memory or patriotism or the historical memory of these

00:06:41.640 institutions because you basically said that everything until a couple years ago was completely

00:06:46.620 shameful and hateful yeah it's this uh what we call it the old switcheroo what's the best i like

00:06:53.580 they always want to have it both ways right exactly and in a way it's like if if they manage to take the

00:06:58.720 ideals that they consider to be to now represent america rightly diversity multiculturalism all that

00:07:04.020 stuff then they love america of course but then there's this constant also harping against what it is or

00:07:09.220 what it what they think it was rather even if that's true or not uh and it feels like they can't

00:07:14.300 have it both ways either they hate the country or they like the country and and it feels like we're

00:07:18.460 right in that kind of switch now they haven't really it depends on if they get full control of it

00:07:22.640 they love the country and american values as they see it are going to be something that uh will

00:07:27.600 have to be enforced globally essentially they've taken over in a way where like these neocons and

00:07:32.400 stuff left off these liberal progressives right yeah it seems that the next neocon experiment for

00:07:39.060 democracy transformation is the united states itself and what we saw in 2020 was the same color

00:07:44.180 revolution playbook that's been used in eastern europe that's right deployed against the united

00:07:47.640 states for the first time there was a phrase i used a few years ago in a american renaissance to say

00:07:52.880 this was before 2020 and i called it state conquest and what i was referring to was what happened in south

00:07:58.580 africa where the state itself continues but it's more than a change in government it's more than

00:08:05.820 one guy loses an election a new guy comes in and takes over it's where the very ideological

00:08:11.380 underpinnings of the state are completely reversed so whereas south africa was justified

00:08:17.500 based on one thing set of ideals once now it's being justified on a completely opposite set of ideals

00:08:24.180 if you were a patriot of the old south africa you're a traitor to the south africa of today

00:08:28.420 right yeah now you essentially have the same thing happening to the united states and there's no way

00:08:35.700 you can reconcile the legacy of the founding fathers with what the united states is today it's not just

00:08:42.460 that they disagree it's that one counteracts the other and you can't simultaneously say the united

00:08:49.340 states is a paragon of white nationalism and white supremacy and westward expansion was the most evil

00:08:56.060 thing that ever happened and the country was built on slavery in the 1619 project and then in the next

00:09:01.120 breath say how dare you question our democracy how dare you be a traitor yes how dare you appeal to the

00:09:07.300 confederacy or any of these things it has to be one or the other but if you have this transformation

00:09:13.340 if you say that you're essentially changing having a revolution within the form that's what's happening in

00:09:19.220 the country now and the people who are kind of left behind here are the white conservatives who still

00:09:24.200 think that when people like joe biden talk about the united states that he's referring to the republic

00:09:29.680 that was created by the founding fathers well he's not i mean he's referring to something that's totally

00:09:33.560 different yeah it's third is saying that i don't know a russian in 1922 if he's fighting for the red

00:09:40.660 army is actually secretly upholding the legacy of the czars well no i mean you're actually fighting the

00:09:45.460 opposite at this point yeah it is an incredible uh contradiction but as we know it's not you know

00:09:51.580 here we are looking for like consistency or morality or yeah i mean it's not about any of that

00:09:56.480 problem let me that's the biggest thing was once you control the media is most people don't really have

00:10:02.260 much of an attention span and if you just kind of keep changing the topic over and over again people

00:10:07.260 don't really pick up on these contradictions i remember something that joe biden said when he was

00:10:12.040 running for president and he was talking about president trump and he said something along the

00:10:16.200 lines of well president trump's ideas are closer to george wallace than george washington and i'm

00:10:22.820 thinking to myself well george wallace was getting elected governor of alabama well after

00:10:27.120 segregation ended uh he changed his views and appealed to a black constituency and kept winning

00:10:33.120 but even more than that even when george wallace was at his quote-unquote worst i'm pretty sure that

00:10:38.620 george washington was more racist than george wallace and i'm pretty sure that like george

00:10:43.360 washington views would be far more unacceptable in polite society than george wallace's right so

00:10:49.040 if you actually think about what he's saying though biden is appealing to george washington because he's old

00:10:54.720 enough that he remembers the time when that was the archetypal american hero and that's who's somebody

00:10:59.280 who we all have to honor well you can't have an america built on diversity and immigration and

00:11:07.840 fighting white supremacy and then in the next breath say and we should honor the founding fathers you

00:11:12.640 can't have it both ways no no and the people there's a saying you know we have that the woke

00:11:17.840 are more correct than the mainstream when you look at the 1619 project you could say that there are a

00:11:22.040 lot of lies about american history but their view of history is closer to what's true than mainstream

00:11:28.800 conservatives who somehow think that you know thomas jefferson and martin luther king and malcolm

00:11:33.100 max would all be on the same side yeah it's true and they of course they recognize in many regards

00:11:38.660 racial differences and things like that where the conservative is of course you know there's an mlk

00:11:42.860 version of of well reality that they want which which is an impossibility the left i think is right

00:11:48.740 in the sense that like well there are racial differences i think we're better off recognizing

00:11:52.280 the only difference is of course that they don't want white people to have any of those things that

00:11:55.960 they would grant to any of the other racial and ethnic groups right right i mean their view of history

00:12:01.020 there could be some exaggerations but they've essentially got it right the left does i mean

00:12:07.200 when they say that the united states was essentially founded on what today we would call white nationalism

00:12:13.040 i.e a self-conscious people that regarded itself as a white people and said this is a country by for

00:12:19.660 and about white people so you're pulling out the nationality act of 1790 which of course limited

00:12:24.360 citizenship to free white citizens of good character now when you have these conservatives who come in

00:12:30.620 and say well actually that's not true this was based on all men are created equal this was a home for

00:12:35.820 everybody it falls apart very quickly because if you have any specific knowledge of history you can

00:12:42.420 rebut that almost instantly yeah so the left i often find they never actually have to get into a debate

00:12:50.560 about the truth of their ideas because both sides are accepting the premise conservatives white

00:12:56.620 conservatives are basically the last true believers in mlk's supposed vision of a colorblind society

00:13:03.560 but of course you and i know that mlk himself never believed in a colorblind society any more than

00:13:08.740 believed in say his marital vows yeah and even when you see things like oh mlk would actually be a

00:13:15.020 conservative today you see conservatives walk into this trap every single year well he wouldn't have

00:13:19.740 been he was a democratic socialist he was a very clear about what he believed yeah he explicitly favored

00:13:24.820 racial preferences for his own group it's all right there yeah you can say that's good you could

00:13:30.600 say that okay well he was justified in thinking that and you know these are the reasons why we

00:13:34.740 should go along with it but what you can't say is that he was a ronald reagan conservative and

00:13:39.680 conservatives are sort of like i don't know sideshow bob just like stepping on the rake over and over

00:13:43.980 again hit in the face just by saying this over and over when it's completely wrong and anyone who knows

00:13:49.220 anything about this can rebut it pretty much instantly because i mean it's easy to go that

00:13:54.800 this way right yeah exactly my my big thing to the american conservative movement because at the end of

00:14:02.320 the day i am one of you if you say what radicalized me it's like well the american conservative movement

00:14:09.380 the leadership institute pat bugannon i mean it's not like some esoteric craziness like i got into all

00:14:16.380 that stuff later all i ever did was basically take the american conservative movement to its logical

00:14:21.640 conclusion which is that if you actually believe in the stuff that you say you value you have to accept

00:14:28.340 these other things you have to accept that mass immigration has been a disaster you have to accept

00:14:34.300 that demographics matter you have to accept that what we today call the paleo conservatives were

00:14:38.960 basically right about everything they predicted in the 80s and 90s and if you're not willing to go along

00:14:45.480 with those things well then you don't actually believe in the stuff that you say you believe in

00:14:49.100 if you're a conservative and so if you're a conservative and you're wondering why your

00:14:54.540 movement can't win and you're wondering why your spokespeople just keep falling into traps over and

00:15:00.120 over again and losing in debates with people who frankly are not that smart well it's because you're

00:15:05.960 playing a rigged game i mean you can't accept the most fundamental premises of the other side

00:15:10.220 and then act surprised when you keep losing it over and over again that said i do think there is a bit

00:15:15.760 of hope um within i mean we talk about the alt-right or the distant right or white nationalist or

00:15:20.820 whatever else but you know i try to keep a foot in the mainstream conservative movement and see how

00:15:25.000 things are developing there and i think one thing that is kind of moving in our direction is that a lot

00:15:31.060 of conservatives now um mostly because of the book the age of entitlement now recognize that the civil

00:15:37.000 rights act is really the skeleton key to unmaking the entire constitution and that you can't get

00:15:43.240 anywhere unless you repeal that and of course you know this isn't a fringe thing because the man who

00:15:49.680 from a conservative libertarian perspective basically had the civil rights act pegged at the time

00:15:53.940 very goldwater i mean we don't need to go too far to look for people who accurately projected

00:16:00.640 everything that was going to play out what we have to think about is well why did the conservative

00:16:04.080 movement silence its most eloquent spokespeople and then act surprised when they lost for 40 years

00:16:09.260 yeah yeah no it's it's true and it's just it's so it's been so strong right that that dominant

00:16:15.300 narrative of whether it's equality or you know we're all equal or we all call you know and so it's so

00:16:21.780 much easier for conservatives to just concede on those points as well you know because again it's it's

00:16:27.160 the easy way out right it's also recognizing that yeah the left um and there's more other you know

00:16:33.060 aspects behind this but just for simplicity that the left out there they have there are in the moral

00:16:37.840 high horse and whatever you know whatever tone they set conservatives always have to kind of um

00:16:42.800 adapt to that or try to fit or try to get their worldview to fit into their uh playpen essentially

00:16:49.300 which is a losing battle as you say it's never going to work yeah there's a lot of moral uncertainty

00:16:53.940 within the american right uh you always get this saying this thing it's kind of a tick at this point

00:17:00.640 where they'll say things they'll say some mainstream conservative idea and they'll say well i'm saying

00:17:04.760 this without apology and it's like well why would you need to apologize for it yeah i mean if you if

00:17:09.940 you're saying that you're already sort of conceiving that you're doing something wrong and it's more that

00:17:14.940 it's not that we need to say things without apology or that we're saying hard truths or something you

00:17:19.760 know this kind of framing maybe needs to be rejected what we need to think about is that we're sort of

00:17:25.440 past the point where people on the progressive left on the egalitarian left can say these kinds

00:17:31.440 of things that they say and say well we have good intentions i no longer believe that's true

00:17:35.980 and this is where i disagree probably with even a lot of people on our side i don't think people on

00:17:40.540 the left are saying these things in good faith anymore orwell said in 1984 he had his villain you

00:17:46.740 don't have to establish a dictatorship to safeguard the revolution you have the revolution in order to

00:17:51.080 safeguard the dictatorship exactly at this point i think the reason they advocate these kinds of

00:17:57.300 policies from letting people out of jail to pushing this kind of anti-white hatred in school to diversity

00:18:04.360 and inclusion programs to all these kinds of things i no longer believe it's because they believe

00:18:09.180 inequality as such it's because it hurts white people and they think that's a good thing and they

00:18:14.540 think it's fine and when you see these sorts of reports of crimes and everything else these aren't

00:18:19.880 unfortunate side effects anymore i think at this point these are the predictable and obvious

00:18:26.280 consequences of policy decisions and people are seeing these consequences and saying yes this is

00:18:32.320 what we want and we want more of it and the right needs to take that tone because you have to have

00:18:38.200 absolute moral certainty in what you're saying now if we're going to confront what's happening we can't

00:18:43.400 take this line of oh well you had some good ideas but you're just a little naive and i'm going to

00:18:47.800 educate you on how this works no you're getting what you wanted and it's monstrous and we need to

00:18:53.000 call it out for what it is yeah if we don't believe it why would anyone else right yeah like

00:18:58.800 and even if you even if you feel you know i understand if like if you're new into these

00:19:03.540 topics right the programming that the the the weight of of you know the imposed narrative and

00:19:09.420 morality is it is heavy i understand that like to go against that at least initially until you can

00:19:14.040 throw off those those shackles it is hard it's challenging and that's why many people just don't

00:19:19.160 do it they'd rather be stay quiet they can even understand and know what's at stake that we're

00:19:23.540 losing our people and our civilization but they still shut up because they think more of their own

00:19:27.560 you know their their their personal reputation and these kinds of things right but at some point

00:19:31.560 yeah go ahead there's nothing particularly unique about an elite putting forward an ideology that

00:19:37.660 justifies its own position and i think it's very misguided when we just say well you know they're

00:19:43.940 being hypocritical they're not living up to their ideas enough no the reason they're putting forward

00:19:48.880 these ideas is because it allows them to stay in power and yeah it's not i mean the only thing i will

00:19:56.100 give them this hypocrisy hypocrisy is the only thing which is keeping america going at this point

00:20:00.100 if everybody actually lived up to these ideas it would be truly monstrous hypocrisy is the only thing

00:20:05.160 that's keeping some semblance of good schools and safe neighborhoods going but we have to confront

00:20:11.800 it on in the realm that the idea itself the idea of egalitarianism itself is completely wrong and it

00:20:19.000 is actually kind of insane when you take a step back and really think about it we all kind of know i

00:20:24.960 don't think i'm educating anybody in the audience here that egalitarianism just isn't true it's just not

00:20:29.940 true and there's no reason to believe it's ever been true yet why is it that our whole morality is

00:20:36.620 built upon the vision of something that has never existed could never exist but somehow it's moral to

00:20:42.700 believe in this lie you know john rawls who's probably english or anglo-saxon i should say political

00:20:49.760 philosopher probably the most influential political philosopher of the current era used to talk about

00:20:55.180 this thing called the veil of ignorance where he said that what you need in a society to decide

00:21:00.640 whether you have good laws or not is you need to pretend that you didn't know what kind of a class

00:21:05.540 you would be born into in this society and so therefore you need to write all the laws so even if you were

00:21:12.200 born in the most unfortunate or uh subjugated group that you would still have a certain amount of rights

00:21:19.060 but the problem is that's not the way the world works it's not that we're all like floating in the

00:21:24.900 ether and then we just kind of get popped randomly into a body somewhere right everything that happened

00:21:29.820 from the beginning of history until now had to happen exactly as it did for you to be who you are

00:21:35.280 and our social systems our governments our religions our class structure all of these things

00:21:42.760 should reflect the fact that we are who we are and that life is about becoming who you are it's not

00:21:48.720 about you're just randomly put into a body and everything's a question of sheer chance because

00:21:54.380 i think that leads to the kind of nihilism and selfish individualism that we have today where

00:22:00.020 basically life is just about getting what's yours and almost getting away with it and that's the way

00:22:04.960 that people think about life i think that you're born into a certain line that you were fated to be part

00:22:11.580 of that from the beginning of time and your job is to uphold the dignity of your family of your line of

00:22:17.900 your country and to promote the survival and upward development of your people like that's what

00:22:22.360 you're here for and life is about accomplishing greater and greater things not just like destroying

00:22:27.780 everything that better people created just so you can have some stuff and then laughing about how

00:22:33.680 things are going to be worse after you die which i think seems to be the ethos of the people who rule

00:22:37.900 us today yeah it's this premise that something is wrong and that you know i mean we do we want to

00:22:43.900 prove things of course but it's this idea that like no it's as you say it's everything is just pure

00:22:48.900 chance is random things could happen nothing is for a reason so it's up to us to like hold everything

00:22:54.440 together or fix these things that are wrong essentially right so it's a what you're getting

00:22:58.900 into is fundamentally a philosophical underlying disagreement of what what like how we define

00:23:04.320 reality what that is essentially right yeah i mean i don't want to get you know obviously i could

00:23:09.240 be happy that it's some like crazy ideological like religious thing right but i don't think we

00:23:14.540 need to get into that now although i do think that ultimately people have to come to terms with

00:23:19.480 these i agree we should have that discussion yeah yeah but i think we can bring it back you know to a

00:23:24.660 much simpler thing let's take a look at what's happening with this case in new york city subway

00:23:28.440 what's remarkable is how i mean it used to be that the subways were considered the cathedrals of the

00:23:34.700 people that's what the soviets called them this was sort of the ultimate example of something that

00:23:39.380 belonged to the working class mass transit has always been part of the progressive scheme because

00:23:44.420 this is something that we all own together it lets us save resources we can get people from one place

00:23:50.260 to another and this is sort of the proof of something that we can all take pride in that was

00:23:55.180 the old narrative and you know you can think about this if you go to even russia today i mean the

00:23:59.560 subways are beautiful like everything is lined with the marble that took from the reich

00:24:03.360 chancellery after world war ii they brought it back and that's where they put it they didn't put

00:24:07.020 it like a victory monument they put it in the subways because they thought it was so important

00:24:10.620 now look at the debate that's surrounding this case with this good samaritan who subjugated this

00:24:18.200 crazy person and unfortunately killed him what they're saying is not that this guy did something

00:24:25.800 wrong so much i mean they are saying that but they're saying he shouldn't have even intervened to

00:24:30.340 begin with yeah because people screaming at you and threatening you is just part of exciting life

00:24:36.540 in the big city and yeah the subways are disgusting but what are you not a tough enough guy to like get

00:24:42.400 off on the idea that the subways are disgusting like what are you some sort of snowflake who wants

00:24:47.240 like clean mass transportation and safety i mean they actually do this sort of parody of masculinity

00:24:53.480 where suddenly like you're the wimp you're the softie if you think it's like weird that

00:24:58.500 in the most famous and wealthy city in the world that the mass transportation looks like a slum

00:25:05.380 and increasingly we're getting this idea that we're not allowed to have nice things that's right

00:25:11.440 it's not that we couldn't have nice things we gotta get out of our comfort zone gregory that's what

00:25:15.780 you're right you know if you're uncomfortable then you're good that's moral right in a sense

00:25:20.520 yeah and i think that we should reject this idea that they at this point that they have good ideas

00:25:27.600 and they're just naive about the way the world works they no longer want good things they're

00:25:31.660 actively pursuing entropy and deconstruction yes yeah for its own sake because ultimately what is

00:25:37.400 the only time when we're all equal when do we finally get egalitarianism it's when we're all dead

00:25:41.480 dead yeah and i think that this pursuit of ultimate entropy is now core to what the left is it's just

00:25:47.440 purely a program of resentment it's purely a program of deconstruction i don't believe they

00:25:52.400 have any positive goods even in their head anymore because at this point you have places where

00:25:59.720 they have at least in the american system close to absolute power in a lot of these urban centers

00:26:05.680 and what can they think of to do just kind of turning up the dial and making things even worse

00:26:10.480 and then when businesses flee and cities become slums and you have people dying of drug overdoses in the

00:26:15.840 street or actually doing other bodily functions that people shouldn't be doing in public in the street

00:26:21.060 you know and once nice cities like san francisco what do they say about it they basically say well

00:26:25.120 you have it coming this is about justice this is about tearing down white supremacy and capitalism

00:26:30.660 and everything else yeah they no longer even pretend that there's some glorious future waiting over the

00:26:35.700 horizon i mean i think that's why you look at like old soviet propaganda from the 60s and 70s and it

00:26:42.160 looks like insanely right-wing compared to what we have today right i mean i'd say what you will about

00:26:46.980 the tenets of the soviet union dude at least it was an ethos yeah i don't think they could put up

00:26:52.020 pulled off all the things that we have today even at that point you know i mean but no it evolves over

00:26:57.660 time but it's there's many most of these things it's just you know as you've explained it's just a

00:27:02.360 footing through the door take the censorship issue with the free speech issue for example right it's

00:27:06.060 like they want all these things as long as it benefits them to get the power and once they have the

00:27:11.080 power they pull up the ladder and they laugh at you and they say haha you know you and i should say

00:27:15.040 you deserve this in fact this is a this is restorative justice uh we were still i i maybe

00:27:21.280 on that extent some of them still might think that they are moral and so to inflict pain punishment and

00:27:27.380 chaos uh is just uh restoration in a way right i guess the question is and this may be a bit of

00:27:35.320 mind reading so it might be futile but it's something worth thinking about do they truly believe

00:27:41.400 at the end of the day that there is some post-racial society where people are going to be

00:27:48.360 equal and working together and it's just a question of kind of a messy transition of restorative justice

00:27:54.080 and these are some unfortunate things we have to do to get there i no longer believe that's true

00:27:59.320 you know one of the things that well-meaning if naive conservatives have been saying over and over

00:28:04.480 again is that if you want to get the society where you've moved past race you got to stop talking

00:28:09.680 about race and i believe that for a while and the problem is that even when you have things that

00:28:14.720 are demonstrably superior to what we have now in terms of the way both blacks and whites viewed race

00:28:20.040 relations according to polls for example things were better off 10 years ago according to most people

00:28:25.480 things are now worse off race relations have declined dramatically since president obama was elected i

00:28:32.120 remember a conservative on the night president obama was elected said well you know there's one good

00:28:36.840 thing about this no one will ever call us racist ever again it's like well yeah how did that work

00:28:41.080 out for us oh man do you they don't take the gains that they have and build on and they they actually

00:28:50.720 deconstruct it further and i think at this point the reason that you have racism's definition being

00:28:58.500 extended so it covers more and more things and so that just about everything people do is considered

00:29:05.660 white nationalist or white supremacist or has some sort of inequality built in that we need to

00:29:09.720 deconstruct all the time i no longer believe that it's toward a positive goal i think the resentment

00:29:15.120 is the end game like there's no deeper motive no and that the idea of getting off on inflicting

00:29:21.460 punishment on essentially class and racial enemies they haven't thought about it any more thoroughly

00:29:28.060 than that there's we there's no mystery about where this is all going like we've seen

00:29:33.460 rhodesia we've seen south africa we've seen what's happened to a lot of once great cities in our own

00:29:39.020 country there's no utopia waiting for this waiting for us and i don't think they believe there's a

00:29:45.560 utopia waiting for us anymore i think that the suffering is the point the humiliation is the point

00:29:52.080 the cruelty is the point and i don't think we should give these people any moral sanction whatsoever

00:29:57.200 it's just a question of how do we develop a morality that is allow us going to break these

00:30:04.360 ideological chains that we've just put ourselves in and how do we get free of these people because

00:30:08.460 i just don't want to coexist with them anymore no no we can't we can't whether that's a divorce or

00:30:13.360 you know some kind of uh you know settling the score here in some kind of capacity but we can't

00:30:18.160 live with these people you know i mean that we can't and it's not up to us i mean we're not the

00:30:21.960 ones saying this stuff right and this is the critical thing is that when people say you know

00:30:25.820 what do you believe about this or what are your policies on this and everything else like i've

00:30:29.800 got plenty of ideas and i'm sure other people do too but we're not the ones with power exactly and

00:30:34.220 this is the same thing with race somebody says no why are you so concerned about race like i'm not

00:30:39.040 the one who controls the media i'm not the one who controls the education system yeah i'm not the

00:30:43.120 one pushing this stuff all the time and if people say you know oh well race isn't a real thing well

00:30:48.000 if you have a government that lays out all of these policies based on race somebody has to be

00:30:55.420 considered white they have a definition of who's white who's not yep so when it comes down to it

00:31:00.080 they clearly believe race is an essential biological characteristic because i mean apparently you can

00:31:05.940 change your sex to get into a better victim category if you feel like it but you can't change your race

00:31:10.460 right yeah i mean not yet why isn't racial dolezal like a civil rights hero right i mean hell if

00:31:17.480 if if you believe that blacks are actually oppressed she took oppression on herself rather

00:31:22.580 heroically why aren't we building like statues to her yeah right she's criticized as like fraud and

00:31:28.080 basically lost her career and everything else why because at the end of the day everybody knows that

00:31:33.060 there's status and hands outs that come with being part of a certain biological caste and you can't

00:31:39.280 change your caste that way right yeah to get esoteric for a second we actually we kind of do have

00:31:45.580 like a julius evolo regression of the caste going on in that we actually have a caste system but it's

00:31:50.700 basically the inverse of what a caste system would be whereas instead of like everybody has their place

00:31:56.040 and we're building towards something greater we have cast where people are just engineered to have

00:32:00.840 permanent resentment against each other and everything is just torn down until there's just nothing left

00:32:05.380 i think that inversion also proves that proves our point well by the way it's driving me crazy

00:32:12.580 what was that say the last part again i said that that picture that you've got for

00:32:15.920 oh let's take it off screen uh yeah it's a great one it's your article the theology of deconstruction

00:32:22.600 which of course underlines some of these ideas that we're talking about right now but no it's it's

00:32:25.980 i see it as a as an organism or as in nature right you have things that just come in and they just break

00:32:32.500 things down right whether it's an animal dying in the woods or even a tree falling whatever

00:32:36.460 over time there's entropy they they recycle this stuff uh destruction as you know is a vital part

00:32:42.580 of life in and of itself and they're kind of just fulfilling that role right now whether this is a

00:32:46.240 you know huge natural cycle and we can't really do anything about it or whether it's just social

00:32:50.920 engineering and people pulling strings behind the scenes regardless we see that it's happening

00:32:56.340 and we and we can understand what direction it's going it's it's it's just a matter of that well do we

00:33:01.560 fix it or do we have to kind of push it over and start something new that's kind of where we're at

00:33:06.160 at this point i think right i mean i would always say that was kind of the difference between somebody

00:33:10.860 who's conservative and somebody who's right wing conservative is going to try to save the existing

00:33:14.800 system from itself somebody who's right wing is grounded in certain principles that aren't tied to

00:33:19.380 an existing system or historical circumstance and so you know that which is falling should also be

00:33:24.560 pushed yes yeah i think there's an argument that when we talk about right and left because a lot of

00:33:30.480 people will say things like well you know these terms don't really have any meaning or anything

00:33:33.640 like that i think i would call myself an identitarian more than you know a right winger there are certain

00:33:39.560 ideas from particularly the old left that i'm sympathetic to but i think the way to think about

00:33:44.920 right and left is it's really a question of order versus chaos i mean that's sort of the

00:33:49.480 er myth the er mythology and as with any system if you have too much order become stultifying and become

00:33:58.620 static and nothing needed change can't happen and so you could argue that there is a role for

00:34:03.760 deconstruction there is a role for chaos there is a role for what we might call like even the most

00:34:08.320 destructive impulses of the left but clearly it's gone too far now because now what we've come to

00:34:15.940 is a situation in which any kind of positive accomplishment is going to be torn down and this

00:34:22.820 again this is not me saying this think of the way say the smithsonian was defining whiteness where it

00:34:29.060 was basically things like showing up on time or the idea of getting your job done or having any kind of

00:34:35.800 accomplishment or basically any kind of efficient system is pathologized now and so how can a country

00:34:46.420 continue to operate when these are the ideas that are floating around and being promoted by our elite

00:34:51.180 institutions and the answer of course is just hypocrisy is sort of the grease that keeps

00:34:55.960 everything going and as i said earlier i mean i don't think that hypocrisy is something that we can

00:35:02.360 charge our elites with as as a flaw it's kind of their last saving grace like i don't want them to stop

00:35:08.460 being hypocritical i want them to reflect on the way they actually live is actually closer to the way

00:35:15.920 things should be than this morality they preach about all the time yeah it's just that i think

00:35:21.200 that morality is what allows them to live the way they live and so whether they believe in it or

00:35:26.720 whether they don't believe in it is kind of irrelevant the problem is that everything they are doing and

00:35:32.120 saying at this point is completely self-serving and that there's no greater vision at the end of it

00:35:36.280 they just want to be king of the ruins yeah exactly um no there's no utopia there there's no

00:35:42.480 aspiration that even if they were there for a little bit they've given up on that i think for

00:35:46.020 the most part uh generally a long time ago what if we so yeah so we go back to that okay well what

00:35:52.760 do we what do we do now like we work do we try to change these conservative to make them see the light

00:35:57.440 you know kind of thing and i think frankly i think it's it's slowly i know painfully slowly moving in

00:36:03.380 that direction and it certainly has been i mean it's it's a positive right from from a tucker to a i don't

00:36:08.960 know matt walsh or whatever you know they do they bring up these ideas of anti-whiteness and they're

00:36:13.800 looking at we might not agree with their like kind of in conclusion but it's it's it's in it's true

00:36:19.420 that they're managed to point out what the problem is many many times right there is a counter um you

00:36:24.660 know a movement against things like diversity and equity inclusion crt in schools uh some conservatives

00:36:31.200 have begun um you know operating in the school boards they've started doing a little bit more

00:36:36.000 things so it's it's by far not enough uh and and at the end of the day they might want to have

00:36:41.440 something that we wouldn't kind of agree with i guess to a certain extent but i'm still very

00:36:45.060 encouraged to see that pushback because i i certainly personally have seen people more or less come over

00:36:49.900 to our side they realize that it's like well there are differences we have to work with this uh we have

00:36:54.320 to separate or you know we we can't live like this and it that's ultimately good because we it's not a

00:37:02.380 numbers game it's not just about how many we have right it's about quality as well it's not just

00:37:06.440 quantity uh but certainly the more we are the better it is more people are on our side we then

00:37:11.680 we get powerful we can do we inflict things politically etc right where do you stand on this

00:37:16.080 question i think that in many ways uh somebody like say jared taylor has is is in a tough position

00:37:24.540 because some of his talking points are now accepted as mainstream uh specifically the idea of things

00:37:30.740 being anti-white that is now a mainstream thing you can talk about that without sounding marginal

00:37:35.820 or crazy or anything like that i mean you see it on twitter all the time and we can talk about this

00:37:41.580 in terms of crime we can talk about this in terms of education policy we can talk about this in terms

00:37:45.540 of the media and it's very hard i mean at this point if you're denying this people will just laugh

00:37:51.940 at you because i mean they're saying you know we are doing this to screw over white people and then

00:37:56.580 if somebody says hey why are you doing this it's very hard for them to say wow this is just a crazy

00:38:01.240 conspiracy theory when you can just quote their own words at them yeah that said what we don't have

00:38:08.140 and what is still reboting and certainly still on twitter because i mean let's face it jared taylor is

00:38:13.540 still not allowed on twitter and he didn't break any of the rules i mean certainly on even people on our

00:38:19.440 side i think we would concede that there are people who engage in uh more abusive speech shall we say

00:38:25.140 yeah and get away with it more than he would yeah but what is still the third rail the thing you

00:38:31.560 absolutely cannot do is you cannot be pro-white you're allowed to say that things are anti-white

00:38:36.660 you are not allowed to be pro-white right that will cost you everything and that is still true within

00:38:41.400 the conservative movement and it's a very strange thing when you really think about it because

00:38:45.820 what is a country other than the people and you to be a mainstream american conservative

00:38:53.520 you you have to believe you have to believe that some documents some people drew up

00:38:59.760 a few centuries ago are the seat of our greatness but the people who actually lived in these places

00:39:07.260 who fought the wars who developed these institutions who built the country they had absolutely nothing to

00:39:12.800 do with it and if you had brought in an entirely different group of people and just given them the

00:39:17.340 same documents somehow in the same system of government everything would have turned out pretty much the

00:39:22.520 same and this is basically true in every european country at this point where they're bringing in

00:39:28.000 people to let's be blunt about this replace the existing population and the conservatives at least

00:39:34.960 will say well nothing is going to change i mean the left is very clear about what's going to happen they

00:39:39.480 understand at least that they're going to be consequences again the woke were more correct but these

00:39:43.820 conservatives tell us that nothing is going to change and that everything is going to be the same

00:39:48.260 because they're just going to assimilate to something well we know that's not true ultimately culture

00:39:53.740 does not come from culture is not just this thing that is artificially created it emerges from the genius of

00:40:00.740 the people and the people come first and this idea that you can just create a culture and impose it on

00:40:06.840 everyone i don't think it's true you have to have a race first you have to have a self-conscious

00:40:11.600 people and out of that comes culture and when you don't have that you get this kind of anti-culture

00:40:17.120 that is circulating now where everything is built on resentment and self-hatred one of the things that

00:40:23.700 in heather mcdonald's new book is she talks about how the push for equity and the frankly anti-white

00:40:31.120 tendencies in culture and in the media and everything else may be one of the reasons why so many whites are

00:40:37.260 turning to what have been called deaths of despair uh drug overdoses alcoholism suicide and i think

00:40:43.440 there's something to that i mean we we're so immersed in it we don't think about how crazy it

00:40:48.140 really is but what does it do psychologically to a young white kid where everything he sees

00:40:55.040 from the programs on television to the little videos he has on the internet to the books he's getting

00:41:01.260 at like three or four years old like the anti-racist baby or something like that to what he's taught

00:41:05.980 in school is that he is uniquely evil that everything his people ever created was evil and that he can't

00:41:12.740 get out of it because again you're not allowed to change your race so what kind of psychological

00:41:19.440 torture are we really inflicting on the majority of this country and why is it that it's seen as

00:41:26.740 illegitimate to say we want something different i mean to me this is a kind of psychological slavery

00:41:33.540 more extreme than just about anything that's ever existed in history yeah i can tolerate somebody

00:41:38.640 with a gun saying you have to do these things because i'm in charge and i get to say how things

00:41:44.660 are i may not like it but i at least can understand that right but somebody says you have to accept this

00:41:52.000 garbage society and actually this garbage society is good for you because it's all you deserve well i

00:41:58.340 don't have to go along with this and if there's a morality that says well actually you do have to go along

00:42:03.100 with it it's very hard for me not to just dismiss that as cynical and self-serving and something

00:42:08.860 that's just being put forward by the elite to justify their position getting back to what we

00:42:13.760 talked about with with order and chaos i mean i think that a lot of the philosophy of deconstruction

00:42:19.440 and critical theory is actually true and i think these are tools that we should use it's just the left

00:42:26.200 never turns them on themselves no it's true um and and uh you know so i'm like we know we know what's

00:42:35.280 coming i think in a way here at we know where this is going you know i mean no we've seen i mean south

00:42:42.020 africa is the end game right yeah we see how that's playing out and this was a country that used to be a

00:42:47.420 civilized country that used to be a first world country and what's really remarkable about this is

00:42:51.980 when you look at the debates in the 80s and 90s all the arguments are the same nothing has changed

00:42:57.800 you still have the same old conservative goobers talking about how oh we're gonna have a colorblind

00:43:02.560 society and everyone's just gonna make money and it's all about the economy and everything else

00:43:06.660 and of course they didn't get any of this the economy didn't get better they can't even keep the

00:43:11.180 power on and the society is more dominated by race than ever but nobody learns anything from any of

00:43:19.980 this uh certainly the collapse of rhodesia into zimbabwe should have been sort of a clarion call

00:43:26.020 for the idea that our rulers don't really know what they're doing uh let's not forget that the

00:43:32.060 reason mugabe took over zimbabwe is not because the white leadership was so opposed to the idea of

00:43:38.000 black majority rule it was because they were opposed to mugabe specifically the late queen elizabeth

00:43:43.500 the second in one of the very few political interventions she ever did really came down hard

00:43:48.860 on the idea of handing over power to them uh actually pushed margaret thatcher much against

00:43:54.160 her own will into adopting such a policy well things played out pretty much exactly if not worse

00:44:00.840 as the far right quote-unquote predicted but did anybody learn anything from this or any

00:44:06.460 lessons drawn where anybody was anybody punished no everybody just kind of moved on and said like

00:44:12.280 well this is how things are well frankly i'm not willing to move on like this is the way things are

00:44:17.560 this is the way things are going to be there's no mystery about what's coming there's no debate to

00:44:22.340 be had there's no discussion to be had in good faith yeah and that's where we're at exactly and

00:44:28.360 we come back to that point i've mentioned a few times in other shows but like this idea that

00:44:31.520 i mean it's great right like but you know conservative whether it's even con ink now or

00:44:37.280 whatever but they have this it's built on outrage and opposition right but that's not a

00:44:41.380 that's not a position that they're not pro-white they're just exposing anti-white hate right

00:44:45.760 there is a certain this this is a very important point and it's we have to be very precise about

00:44:53.900 the way we talk about there's a certain tension and i say this as somebody who worked within the

00:44:58.040 conservative movement for a long time i'll tell a quick story but i don't want this to come off as

00:45:02.760 a smear against former colleagues because i never got treated poorly by any places i worked at or anything

00:45:07.320 like that but when i was running youth for western civilization which was kind of the group i had

00:45:13.340 years ago what we did it was not a white nationalist group uh regardless of what the media said

00:45:20.220 basically we were opposed to multiculturalism mass immigration we were taking the conservative

00:45:24.900 movement's line on these issues and we would get a lot of press coverage and a lot of outrage that

00:45:34.120 the conservative movement could make money off of but they were also very careful to make sure that

00:45:40.440 we didn't really go anywhere with it we didn't really talk about solutions we didn't say that

00:45:46.380 well white people should stand up for themselves that everything was entirely negative basically that

00:45:52.600 the left just shouldn't be doing this and the problem is that the people who make the most money

00:45:59.540 and the people who bring in the most attention are the people who talk about shall we say the spiciest

00:46:05.280 issues but if they cross a certain line they lose everything overnight and i mean tucker carlson i

00:46:12.740 think would be a good example of this where he brought in the most ratings but at the end of the day he was

00:46:17.900 probably a net loss for fox because of what he was costing them in advertising they say fox is going to

00:46:23.560 make more money now that he's gone now one of the big lies that we have on the american right that i think

00:46:31.980 less people believe in now but a disappointingly large amount still at least say they believe in it

00:46:37.580 is this idea of the marketplace of ideas now maybe we had that once but i think the deep platforming

00:46:44.440 that's occurred since 2016 and 2017 is so extreme that it really caused the legitimacy of the entire

00:46:51.220 democratic system into question because right now anyone who's president with any kind of following on

00:46:57.800 any mainstream platform is essentially being pushed from the top down there it's not true to talk about

00:47:05.340 somebody having an organic audience it's not true to talk about somebody just cultivating a following

00:47:10.620 because all of these people yourself included have essentially been banned from mainstream platforms

00:47:17.360 and so when people talk about like leftist influencers on youtube or tiktok or anything like that

00:47:23.540 they're not really any different in any essential way from any propagandist in any other authoritarian

00:47:31.200 regime because every single one of them is there only because they were allowed to be there if we had

00:47:37.800 something like existed in 2016 2017 then we could talk about the marketplace of ideas or people discussing

00:47:45.080 things or who's more popular but right now everything is essentially fake yeah and

00:47:50.100 the way this has a really poisonous impact on the american right is that there's a tendency i find

00:47:59.120 for people to sort of dunk on those who have been purged or deplatformed and sort of mock them because

00:48:06.160 like oh they're not bringing in a certain amount of money they don't have as big a following anymore they've

00:48:10.740 kind of dropped off the face of the earth well that's happened because the left-wing power structure

00:48:15.800 essentially crushed them and just because they did it to them doesn't mean they can't do it to you

00:48:20.960 tomorrow and so what are you really celebrating but at the same time your position sort of depends on

00:48:29.660 being the permissible alternative to the unrespectable elements that have been purged on the left so when

00:48:35.560 you look at guys like say ben shapiro i don't mean to go after him specifically but just use the first

00:48:41.500 example that comes to mind the guy who benefits the most from de-platforming is somebody like ben

00:48:48.140 shapiro it's true it wipes out the competition yeah and we can all think of certain people on the

00:48:55.400 quote-unquote far right uh certain names i'm sure they're all coming to mind who were popular a few

00:48:59.760 years ago who have essentially been cast into the outer darkness and they would have been mainstream

00:49:05.480 uh certainly financially they would have been well established and they would have had a large audience

00:49:09.820 had free speech norms remained in force and they didn't and the fact that they didn't

00:49:17.080 i think should lead all of us to be pretty cautious about talking about who's extreme and who's mainstream

00:49:23.160 or what it really takes to be communicating to the normies or anything like that because

00:49:29.200 at this point the entire discussion is so heavily curated and moderated that in some sense it's entirely fake

00:49:35.700 i think that the conservative movement is in a very tough position because anyone of any prominence

00:49:43.340 is pretty much by definition only there because they're a beneficiary of de-platforming and censorship

00:49:51.400 but the only way we're ever going to stop de-platforming and censorship is if those people speak out

00:49:56.740 against it and of course they have no material reason to do so so yeah yeah that's where we're at

00:50:02.400 yeah no it's absolutely i mean you're right um yet at the same time and you recognize that too

00:50:08.280 no i know of course exactly and uh yeah and to me it's just kind of also the way i view it personally

00:50:15.500 it's just putting off the inevitable we're we're going to get there whether these are through new

00:50:20.880 platforms or whether through other people pick up the baton and drive these talking points further

00:50:25.760 because at the end of the day i don't care i don't care who says these things as long as it's being

00:50:30.200 said you know i mean in the wider uh culture and and and mainstream and things like that obviously

00:50:34.420 i'd love to be to be there i think we still have some part of it but but yes we don't have ben

00:50:39.280 shapiro's platform or you know man you know it's like that um but but i think we've still still seen

00:50:45.780 how do i put this we've still seen the discourse moving uh continuing moving to the right if that's

00:50:51.960 the right term there's still yeah it hasn't just completely died down we've actually seen a lot of

00:50:57.680 people pushing back and and still you know getting angry about what's happening you know i mean and i

00:51:02.400 i still look i it could just be that the left then is so insane it's so crazy out there that these

00:51:08.100 people don't have they kind of have to stay relevant too right in a sense so they so it does

00:51:11.980 move in that direction that that it may not really want to talk about uh specifically issues talking

00:51:18.640 about race sexuality uh back when i was doing campus organization i mean these are the only issues

00:51:24.240 anybody cares about what the conservative movement wants you to talk about is like you know the

00:51:27.960 deficit economic policy yeah but nobody nobody cares about that when you're 21 years old and

00:51:33.700 especially when there's a lot of money and power at stake when you look at the way campus politics

00:51:38.160 works it's all about race and identity and sexuality and things like that so the conservative movement to

00:51:43.360 stop to stoke outrage to get eyeballs has to talk about these issues but they also can't

00:51:48.240 tell anybody what to do other than keep watching and maybe send me money and

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Red Ice TV - May 19, 2023

Conservatives, White Nationalism & Theology of Deconstruction - Gregory Hood

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