Red Ice TV - Covid： An American Biowarfare Attack

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00:01:28.000 all right here we are ladies and gentlemen welcome thank you so much for joining us

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00:01:55.840 from but uh yes so today we a very very important show we've talked about the covid thing here now

00:02:00.920 for i mean the two years at least trying to get to the bottom of this what what are we looking at what

00:02:06.460 is it is it a bioweapon was it accidentally released uh is it naturally made is it a chimeric virus and

00:02:12.740 of course uh at this point we lean towards the uh the the ladder here we're looking at something which

00:02:17.900 was uh quite intentional in fact that's what it's looking like but we're going to dive into this

00:02:21.940 more here in detail today with our guest uh none other than ron uns from uh uns the uns review

00:02:26.980 actually but it's unsreview.com if you want to visit the website and of course ron has been um he

00:02:31.620 has a great site it's a lot of truly in the sense diverse range of columnists that ron has you know

00:02:38.440 from anglu andrew england to michelle malkin to you know uh kevin barrett of truth jihad and so forth

00:02:45.980 a lot of people over there but ron thank you so much for coming on today it's good to have you here

00:02:50.520 hey great to be here excellent we appreciate you and before we get into the details here now i know

00:02:55.360 we have you have an outline here right in terms of like where this thing comes from what we're

00:02:59.140 looking at i want to dive deep into this with you uh but before tell us a little bit about yourself

00:03:04.360 if you don't mind and when you started uh ons review and kind of what motivated you to uh to do that

00:03:08.860 sure well my original background was as a theoretical physicist but i got involved in financial

00:03:15.560 services software i guess about 30 35 years ago and then afterwards by about the early to mid 1990s

00:03:24.420 i became much more heavily involved in politics political issues and that sort of thing including

00:03:30.400 running some campaigns in california and other parts of the country

00:03:33.760 and uh public policy has been something i've always been very strongly interested in

00:03:39.840 from the time really i was in college and uh probably around during the 1990s and then

00:03:48.300 afterwards after a break in the mid to early 2000s i ended up becoming much more actively involved in

00:03:56.780 writing on public policy issues for a number of years i was the main funder and actually the publisher

00:04:03.440 of the american conservative a small public policy opinion magazine and then of about six or seven

00:04:11.140 years ago i ended up actually starting the uns review which i viewed as sort of a reasonable way to

00:04:19.220 provide a convenient access to a wide range of different alternative media outlets and alternative

00:04:25.840 writers both from the left from the right from other ideological perspectives like libertarianism or

00:04:33.360 that sort of thing and just mixing them all together because generally most websites on the internet

00:04:39.700 most webzines or most print publications tend to have a skew in one way or another way and i think

00:04:46.980 there's sometimes some useful aspects to putting all these people together because sometimes they

00:04:53.560 actually tend to agree on certain ways that you wouldn't really expect given the fact that they're

00:04:59.900 perceived as being from different ideological camps and also one reason i decided it would be useful

00:05:06.060 to put that together was to provide a platform for my own writings i'd actually started to do quite a lot

00:05:12.120 of writing myself around partly in the 1990s and then more recently around 2010 2011 2012 and since

00:05:22.640 my articles tend to be much longer and less frequent having a platform where all these other writers would

00:05:30.140 produce much more regular content would just provide me an outlet for my own writings when i ended up

00:05:35.780 getting around to doing it and so it's really been the last three or four years that i became much more

00:05:41.680 actively involved in doing writing and there's especially one long series i put together what i call the

00:05:47.260 american providence series which really focuses on many aspects of the events of the last 100 years

00:05:55.120 where much of really what we know from our standard history books or from the news media

00:06:01.560 is actually much less accurate when you go back and look at the underlying primary sources

00:06:07.700 the facts involved and that actually relates to a project that really had occupied a lot of my time

00:06:12.660 in the early 2000s and that was the idea of digitizing and making available the complete archives of

00:06:20.180 hundreds of america's leading opinion magazines from the last 150 years you have some that are still

00:06:27.160 around like the nation and the new republican harpers but also many other publications that at the time

00:06:33.440 were extremely influential and important like for example century magazine or the forum

00:06:40.200 or a saturday review or the reporter but vanished years ago so people aren't even aware of them right

00:06:48.480 now but at the time they were just as significant as the nation or the new republic or sometimes even

00:06:53.620 the new york times and when you go back and read those publications talking about the events of that

00:07:00.380 era you really find that the perspectives they have are very different from that of more recent history books

00:07:07.080 or the news media so you know in a sense it's a question of like revisiting a lot of these past

00:07:12.660 events so when you find out that so much of what we know about the past is really mistaken it gives

00:07:18.700 you much more perspective of believing whether or not you should believe everything you find in the

00:07:23.540 news media today it's true it's changed radically i say the last even five six seven years an

00:07:31.320 acceleration of that but this really begun in i'd say 80s 90s and then it took off in the 2000s i'd say

00:07:37.320 but a complete revisionist uh world really that we live in now so getting that perspective uh and going

00:07:44.180 you know way back in in the written word and so forth is very important to see what they were thinking

00:07:49.220 what was acceptable even at that point right because now we've been gridlocked and and in a sense choked

00:07:54.500 off from even looking at certain topics or asking certain questions because they've been deemed to be uh

00:07:59.780 well outlawed essentially and forbidden by the establishment you know exactly exactly very good

00:08:07.140 so interesting so under this uh american pravda of course you have this um series on uh major covid

00:08:14.840 biowarfare articles this is a lengthy one you describe it early on here since april 2020 i've published a

00:08:20.660 long series of articles arguing that the covid outbreak was due to an american biowarfare attack

00:08:25.820 against china and iran and i've been almost uniquely in uh publicly talking i've been almost

00:08:31.880 uniquely publicly talking about this extremely controversial position i've also placed it

00:08:35.980 within the context of the hidden history of america's long-standing biological warfare program

00:08:41.320 that's a lot of people actually don't know that that not only america but many countries but america

00:08:45.260 has been on the forefront of this uh of actually doing uh tests on their own population i think i think

00:08:50.060 if you if it ever comes up in the mainstream media it's something like the tuskegee experiment because then

00:08:54.020 you have you know kind of one of the victim classes being lifted out and so forth but they've i mean

00:08:58.620 all kinds of things uh dropping bacteria inside of light bulbs in the new york subway like very strange

00:09:04.580 things right that they've been experimenting on but so so lead us into this and and and lay the kind

00:09:09.800 of the foundation for this discussion and this argument here if you will ron sure well what really

00:09:14.180 happened was when the outbreak of the covid outbreak first began in china it got it started getting

00:09:20.620 into the press towards the middle of january there were this report of mysterious viral epidemic taking

00:09:27.080 place in china at the time nobody really knew how serious it was and you know some of the circumstances

00:09:32.540 seemed strange to me i didn't really pay a tremendous amount of attention at the time but by about the end

00:09:37.080 of january a number of developments took place that made me start to really wonder whether there was

00:09:43.800 more to the picture than the media was presenting and you know when you really look at it the attack

00:09:49.420 the outbreak in china took place right at the peak of america's international confrontation with china

00:09:56.820 obviously under the trump administration in a sense we're talking about a situation where we

00:10:02.160 have a country whose economy probably had surpassed that of the united states by most measures

00:10:08.200 about six or seven years ago a very large country the most populous country in the world and america

00:10:14.180 was an international confrontation with that country primarily over trade issues but you know over

00:10:20.040 broader issues as well and a viral epidemic like that suddenly breaking out seems like a strange thing

00:10:25.780 now you know the media obviously presented as obviously being a natural outbreak and most people

00:10:30.680 probably thought it was and i certainly thought it certainly might be but as i started looking into it a little

00:10:36.720 bit more you know the edges of the internet started coming up with facts that really neither i had been

00:10:44.580 aware of nor probably most other people for example and some of this came from very obscure sources like

00:10:50.780 fringe blog bloggers westerners who were living as fringe bloggers in china other people whose work was

00:10:58.200 being published nowhere at all to give you an example this was not the first viral outbreak that was taking

00:11:05.540 place in china in 2018 there was suddenly a mysterious viral outbreak that devastated china's poultry

00:11:14.040 industry one of its main food sources it appeared out of nowhere and it got some attention in the american

00:11:19.000 media but only a little bit of attention then in 2019 there was a massive outbreak of a swine flu epidemic

00:11:27.340 that destroyed 40 percent of china's pig herds of pork industry for the largest in the world and so you know we're

00:11:35.440 talking about something basically we have these mysterious viral outbreaks that have taken place

00:11:40.720 previously in china in 2018 and 2019 and then suddenly right at the end of 2019 and getting into the new

00:11:49.600 year a viral epidemic suddenly appears that hits china's population as well as simply its food supply

00:11:55.840 so things like that started making me a little bit suspicious but the thing that really started

00:12:01.120 prompting me to think that there probably was a lot more to this than just a natural virus was that the

00:12:06.480 virus then suddenly within a few weeks leapt all the way over 3 000 miles to the holy city of gum in

00:12:14.140 iran the center of iran's political and religious elites and in fact there was a big front page story in the new

00:12:21.340 york times describing how the second global epicenter of the covet outbreak was suddenly in iran now the

00:12:29.320 two countries in the world that america was most hostile towards at that point in time were china and

00:12:35.120 iran iran is thousands of miles for china and you know when you're talking about suddenly a virus

00:12:41.320 appearing in a city like wuhan which most westerners never even heard of and then suddenly jumping to

00:12:47.300 thousands of miles to entirely different country like iran it started raising a lot of obvious

00:12:53.760 questions now you know the virus certainly hit a lot of other countries afterwards for example

00:12:58.960 the next country that ended up having an epidemic was italy spain came also but when you look at for

00:13:05.020 example this situation in italy the viral epidemic that hit italy took place in northern lombardy

00:13:12.740 300 000 chinese live and work in lombardy and they many of them just returned from the lunar new year

00:13:20.960 holiday in some cases from uh wuhan so you could easily imagine the virus getting there 150 000 chinese

00:13:29.680 live and work in spain so spain would certainly be a very plausible next stop for the virus but iran has

00:13:37.900 one of the world's lowest chinese populations only a few thousand chinese live in iran and most of them

00:13:44.100 actually live in the capital city of tehran rather than the holy city of gom furthermore the epidemic

00:13:50.800 that took place in iran was unique in the world in that it hit iran's political and religious elites

00:13:58.160 more earlier than any other group of people in the country in the world had been attacked for example

00:14:03.680 within a few weeks you had a situation where 10 percent of china's and of iran's entire parliament

00:14:11.000 the marshallies had been infected by the virus a dozen or two dozen of top of iran's top elderly

00:14:17.820 leaders ended up being infected and many of them died all of this took place in iran just a few weeks

00:14:24.540 after america had assassinated iran's top military leader we're talking about really a very strange set of

00:14:32.200 coincidences and the sort of thing that would make anybody suspicious so as time went by and this

00:14:38.620 disease started spreading into more parts of the world it seemed to me more and more possible or at

00:14:44.100 least plausible that what we were talking about was simply a bio warfare attack and now the thing is

00:14:50.460 people just as you say aren't especially aware of it but america has the oldest continuous bio

00:14:56.580 warfare program in the world we started our bio warfare program in the middle of the second world war

00:15:01.820 and there's actually quite a bit of evidence that we used it to hit japan's food supply and we're

00:15:07.860 planning also possibly to use it to attack germany during the war but the war ended before that point

00:15:13.180 so we've had this massive bio warfare infrastructure that's been in place for over 70 years

00:15:19.380 according to some estimates we've probably spent a hundred billion dollars on these bio warfare programs

00:15:26.120 a hundred billion dollars over the years in fact the interesting thing is much of the evidence much

00:15:31.040 of the material on america's history of biological warfare and the bio warfare program actually comes

00:15:36.900 from extremely reputable mainstream sources we're not talking about fringe sources on the internet

00:15:42.980 we're talking about leading academics leading scholars leading authors who publish books in many cases

00:15:49.340 books that have been glowingly reviewed by top experts but since so little of it has ever been

00:15:55.620 covered by the media most people are not aware of it for example some of your listeners may be aware

00:16:01.460 that there were some disputed accounts that america used biological warfare during the korean war

00:16:07.740 against the north korean and chinese forces it's something that has been talked about a little bit here and there

00:16:13.300 but when you really look at the underlying evidence documents released by the freeman information act

00:16:20.600 documentaries it seems overwhelmingly likely that we did use biological warfare in the case of the korean war

00:16:28.200 and so when you have a country that has a history of using biological warfare there's invested a hundred

00:16:34.320 billion dollars building a massive biological warfare infrastructure and is suddenly in an international

00:16:42.400 international confrontation with iran and china in the world and suddenly mysterious viral epidemics appear in

00:16:50.300 those two countries rather than any other place in the world those are obviously things that any logical person

00:16:56.320 would certainly investigate now the interesting thing about it is at the time those epidemics took place

00:17:01.940 early on in the first few months of 2000 uh 2020 it turns out the iranians publicly accused america

00:17:11.500 having launched a biological warfare against their leadership and against their country it was in the

00:17:17.220 iranian media in fact the former president of iran filed a formal complaint with the united nations

00:17:23.640 accusing america of launching a biological warfare attack against iran and its leadership but since america

00:17:31.200 dominates the world media infrastructure america and its allies in the west dominate the media none of that

00:17:38.840 ever got into the american media it was very very briefly covered for example in radio for europe

00:17:44.740 radio liberty and the argument used against it was that since various biological experts had argued that

00:17:51.600 oh the virus was obviously a natural virus if the virus was natural obviously it could not possibly be a

00:17:58.980 biological warfare attack against iran now that's sort of the interesting progression things have taken in

00:18:04.800 other words very early in 2020 when the outbreak first took place in china there was actually a lot of fringe

00:18:11.880 chatter on the internet various accusations that might be a lab leak from the chinese lab at wuhan or that even it

00:18:20.160 might be a chinese biological warfare weapon that somehow leaked out but within a couple of months

00:18:25.540 the conventional wisdom the sort of elite sentiment both in the media and in the academic world were that

00:18:32.620 it was simply a natural virus it was certainly not artificial it was not biologically engineered it was

00:18:39.180 simply a natural virus that randomly had gotten into circulation in china from some animal and that was

00:18:46.260 basically where the story stood for about a year in other words the trump administration some members

00:18:52.000 of the trump administration didn't make some accusations that it might have leaked out of the wuhan lab

00:18:58.560 but by and large those accusations were treated were dismissed by the media and it was treated as

00:19:04.440 certainly a natural virus and that only started to change about five or six months ago in fact it was

00:19:10.560 primarily one paper by a long-time science journalist named nicholas wade who'd been science editor at the

00:19:18.300 new york times and spent about 30 years at the new york times who came out with a strong article actually

00:19:24.260 self-published article that appeared in medium pointing to that there really was very little

00:19:29.620 evidence that it was a natural virus and much more evidence that it was an artificial virus something

00:19:34.940 that came out of laboratory and in the last five or six months since then the entire debate in the media

00:19:42.180 therefore is between the natural virus scenario and the lab leak scenario and there have been a lot of

00:19:48.740 other journalists who now have shifted over to the perspective that's probably a lab leak that came

00:19:55.200 from the wuhan lab in china but what is so strange to my mind is those have been the two scenarios debated

00:20:02.740 almost entirely in the media and virtually no one has considered the obvious third possibility that it

00:20:09.320 was a deliberately released virus and if it was deliberately released in wuhan china then almost certainly china

00:20:16.960 was not the guilty party and it would have come from another source most likely the united states for

00:20:22.560 the other reasons that i've described yeah so you know it's basically the entire debate has been between

00:20:29.200 two possible scenarios and both the mainstream media and even to a large extent most of the alternative

00:20:36.240 media has simply ignored the third possibility that it was a deliberately released virus which i think has

00:20:43.840 by far the most evidence behind it yeah it's interesting i remember regarding that theory

00:20:49.200 was very interesting to me was actually the military games that took place in wuhan uh right in what was

00:20:55.840 it october i believe right here's some footage even from that and there were accusations i believe early

00:21:00.800 on even from china itself that said that potentially one of the the participants perhaps and so forth because

00:21:06.320 of course you had people from all countries all over the world there and so if we kind of had a patient zero

00:21:12.160 there of sorts there would be a perfect place to then you know all these people go back all the

00:21:16.800 soldiers go back to their respective countries and so forth and again think of it it would be the

00:21:20.640 military initially and that that environment that world that would be hit the hardest right so what do

00:21:26.320 you what do you make of this uh well my perspective on that issue is a little different i'd actually

00:21:30.880 found out of the wuhan military games from a chinese blogger around mid to late january and in fact we

00:21:37.920 published it in a number we republished his lengthy article and then i include it in my article i

00:21:43.840 personally think it's very unlikely that the virus was spreading in wuhan china among the participants

00:21:49.280 in the military games there have been some reports that have come out since then about some of the

00:21:53.680 participants saying that they felt a little bit sick afterwards or they suspected that they might

00:21:58.240 have been infected and in fact some chinese pro chinese propagandists have argued that the virus

00:22:04.720 accidentally spread through the american participants in the military games if the

00:22:09.840 virus had already been in circulation in the united states however i really don't view those scenarios as

00:22:15.440 very likely for one key reason the single most important characteristic of the covid virus is that

00:22:22.400 it's exceptionally infectious in other words once it becomes prevalent in any sort of community once

00:22:28.640 even a few people become infected within a few weeks it becomes a local epidemic in other words

00:22:35.040 typically the doubling time with the original virus was about every three to six days and so the way it

00:22:42.240 leaked for example into parts of the united states is a few people in a given city might become infected

00:22:47.200 two or three people and then within a month you would have a massive outbreak and that's exactly what

00:22:52.560 happened in wuhan china now if it turned out any of the participants the thousands of participants who

00:22:59.120 attended the military games had become infected at that point and taken it back to their home country

00:23:04.960 those countries would have had massive epidemics months before they actually did in other words in the

00:23:10.960 united states nobody would even have paid any attention to the outbreak in china because america would

00:23:17.040 have had a massive epidemic in december and january rather than in march april and may the way i think

00:23:24.800 the military games came into place is that if america were trying to seed a virus in a city like wuhan

00:23:32.000 the military games would have provided the ideal opportunity 300 american military servicemen participated

00:23:39.680 and there were thousands of servicemen from all these other countries in the world attending they were

00:23:44.640 sightseeing they were traveling around the city there was no way for the chinese to monitor all of their

00:23:50.640 activities so if america were launching a biowarfare attack in wuhan it would be very easy for america to

00:23:58.000 slip a couple of operatives in that group of 300 participants and as they were traveling around the

00:24:03.520 city as they were sightseeing as they were doing whatever they did it would be very easy for them then

00:24:08.800 to surreptitiously release the virus which only would become noticeable then weeks later after they

00:24:14.480 they'd gone home and the timing is extraordinarily suspicious and that seemed to me very clear from

00:24:20.080 the beginning because when we look when scientists then have traced the genetic mutational path of the

00:24:26.560 virus and also the epidemiological timing of the virus this conventional wisdom is that patient zero in

00:24:35.760 wuhan became infected either towards the end of october or the beginning of november

00:24:41.360 the military games took place right at the end of october so in other words that would be exactly the

00:24:46.560 point when the virus suddenly was spread in wuhan and that would be you know it's really an astonishing

00:24:54.000 coincidence if you had all of these american participants and suddenly the virus broke out

00:24:58.880 the analogy i use with people is that 300 chinese military servicemen were visiting the city of chicago in the united states

00:25:07.360 and immediately after they left there was a mysterious viral outbreak in the city of chicago yeah i think

00:25:14.240 most americans would be extremely suspicious of those developments yeah no absolutely it's it's definitely

00:25:19.920 true now of course uh one thing that i always try to figure out with this here regarding you know the

00:25:26.320 the um the lab theory i mean we know that they've done work on these viruses for for decades and decades

00:25:31.520 right there's even a patent trail and i am not sure how much you go into that if at all and so forth so

00:25:36.400 we could venture that down venture down that route if you want to but one of the things that has been

00:25:41.520 a big question to me is it doesn't see so they've tinkered with this right we have the for example

00:25:47.280 project diffuse there were some documents recently that came out to kind of seem to verify that at least

00:25:52.800 fauci with the intermediary ecohealth alliance had approached the dod or darpa specifically

00:25:57.920 uh to create the the what they call the chimeric virus right they wanted to be more transmissible

00:26:03.120 to humans they were even researching or proposing in this in this uh paper uh they wanted 14 million

00:26:09.520 dollars for it and they proposed a uh skin penetrating nanoparticle a very advanced type of you know

00:26:16.480 bio weapon by warfare agents this could be disseminated anywhere presumably in a very easy way you would

00:26:23.680 walk around literally with something spraying out of spraying out of a backpack of a military personnel

00:26:29.520 that's dressed in civilian clothing whatever at an airport or several or a busy mall or something right

00:26:34.240 but one thing i couldn't parse is the virus does not seem that deadly unless you have underlying issues

00:26:41.680 now now maybe there is a difference what hit iran versus what later came to some european cities and

00:26:48.640 america later on and so forth that's the only thing that it feels to me that if it was this

00:26:54.080 bio warfare uh agent could they have made it deadlier or is or is that part of the program as

00:27:00.240 well not to ensure that literally everybody would would drop dead right away have you thought about

00:27:05.440 that oh sure well there are different types of bio warfare weapons obviously you know it's a very

00:27:10.800 broad field covet was not an anti-personnel bioweapon it was anti-economy bioweapon right in other

00:27:17.920 words most of the estimates seem to be that the fatality fatality rate you know for obviously

00:27:23.280 it's very sharply age skewed based on underlying conditions based on weight things like that but by

00:27:28.880 and large the fatality weight rate for westerners is about 0.5 to one percent and it seems roughly

00:27:34.880 the same for east asians or chinese as well now obviously a bioweapon with a fatality rate of one

00:27:40.960 percent will not destroy a country it will not kill the population but it will have a tremendous

00:27:47.040 effect on the society and economy of that country because when you have an extremely

00:27:52.640 contagious but low lethality bioweapon obviously you know something that would kill one percent of

00:27:59.360 the population the country the country's government needs to take tremendous measures against it and it

00:28:05.120 causes tremendous fear it disrupts the economy it disrupts society and that in turn has a tremendous

00:28:11.520 impact on the economy so it was intended to the extent that the scenario is correct it's basically

00:28:17.920 an anti-economy bioweapon in fact one interesting thing that came up very early was that an individual

00:28:24.560 who very much appears to be a 40 year retired 40 year veteran of american biodefense ended up having

00:28:33.040 a number of very extended remarks on the whole issue on a website and i made arrangements then to

00:28:38.880 re-publish as an article on our website right towards the beginning of february he really and

00:28:45.200 i ended up looking into it and it does seem to be that his background is what he claimed to be it's

00:28:50.080 basically spent 40 years working for dietrich and other biodefense facilities and he argued that a low

00:28:56.480 lethality high contagion virus like uh basically covet is absolutely ideal for destroying an economy and

00:29:05.440 that's exactly the way it was ended aimed at china in other words when you think about it also if

00:29:10.480 america used a very high lethality bioweapon against china killed tens of millions or even hundreds of

00:29:17.040 millions of chinese the result obviously would probably have been nuclear war i mean you can't

00:29:22.320 bottle up something like that well if you're talking about something that is much much much less lethal

00:29:28.080 that would you know kill a fraction of one percent of the population probably but tremendously disrupt the

00:29:32.720 economy you can basically argue that it probably was a natural virus in other words it's much easier

00:29:38.720 to cover it up it's much easier to say you know to believe that unless the chinese ever acquired hard

00:29:44.800 proof of what happened they wouldn't simply be in a position to retaliate and that's exactly what happened

00:29:50.000 now the interesting thing is the the virus appeared at exactly the right time to become prevalent in

00:29:57.680 wuhan than the city of wuhan right before chinese lunar new year which was basically towards the end

00:30:03.360 of january and so we're talking about basically the city of wuhan you know with the doubling time

00:30:08.800 of three to six days the city of wuhan basically would have become very heavily infected with its

00:30:14.960 population of this virus with wuhan being the key transit hub and with 450 million chinese traveling in

00:30:23.520 lunar new year new year spreading the virus through all parts of the country making it endemic impossible

00:30:29.280 to control and dealing a devastating blow to the chinese economy and chinese society and possibly even

00:30:35.840 causing the fall of the communist regime in china now the only reason that didn't happen remember

00:30:41.600 we're talking about an entirely new virus that nobody suspected the existence of the chinese government

00:30:46.880 first discovered that it was in wuhan right towards the end of december and they ended up reacting

00:30:53.360 incredibly quickly so that within two weeks they ended up locking down the entire city

00:30:58.720 of wuhan 11 million people in wuhan locked down the lockdown then was spread to the rest of hubei province

00:31:05.680 and then the rest of china overall so that china ended up locking down 700 million chinese

00:31:12.720 it was a thousand times larger than the largest lockdown the largest medical quarantine in the history of

00:31:18.480 the world and with that sort of measure taken so quickly they ended up controlling the spread of

00:31:23.840 the virus stamping it out and within a month or two wuhan and the rest of china was back to normal

00:31:29.520 because they controlled the virus if they had not taken those steps which nobody could have predicted

00:31:34.880 given the fact that it was unique in the history of the world i mean locked down 700 million people

00:31:39.920 they would have been unable to control the spread of the virus it would have spread throughout the entire

00:31:44.000 country probably eventually killed some millions of chinese and totally disrupted their society and

00:31:50.080 economy so in other words they avoided that disaster's fate by a very narrow margin and i i think that

00:31:58.240 basically was the intent that was aimed at them now one thing i should also say with regard to

00:32:02.640 the whole issue of a biowarfare attack against china when you're looking at something like that you

00:32:08.560 really have to decide who probably was involved now with america being most hostile to china and iran

00:32:16.240 and those countries being hit first and hardest by the virus i mean the evidence clearly points in

00:32:22.560 america's direction but then you have to ask who in america was involved when the virus then started

00:32:28.080 leaking back into the united states donald trump and most of the top people in his administration

00:32:34.320 ignored the entire problem they paid no attention to it they basically reacted in such a way that it

00:32:40.480 was very clear that trump had no idea it had been there had been a biowarfare attack against china

00:32:46.880 and that the same virus was now leaking back into the united states america basically reacted in a very

00:32:52.800 lackadaisical sort of way we botched the original tests that we tried to produce to even monitor the

00:32:59.040 virus produced by the cdc so we couldn't even monitor its progress in the country and so for

00:33:04.480 that reason it seems to me extremely unlikely that trump himself was at all aware of what was happening

00:33:10.640 now under normal circumstances it is simply inconceivable that the leader of a major country

00:33:17.520 would be unaware of a biowarfare attack or any major attack being launched against one of its primary

00:33:24.160 international rivals but america is not a normal country and the trump administration was an

00:33:29.840 exceptionally unusual administration in that regard i don't know how much you followed some of the

00:33:35.360 books and articles that have come out inside stories of what happened in the administration

00:33:40.240 but you had the top officials in the administration ignoring trump running around him in some cases they

00:33:46.400 said that they would hide his executive orders so that they would hope he would forget about his own

00:33:52.000 executive orders and not issue them so what i think probably happened is that a small handful of

00:33:58.880 officials near the top of the trump administration probably people associated with some of the deep

00:34:04.400 state neocons like mike pompeo or john bolton decided to launch a strike against america's top

00:34:13.040 international rival china and then also probably hit iran and did so entirely without any knowledge on trump's

00:34:20.240 part and then you know the result is basically once the virus then leaked back into the united states

00:34:26.640 and also ended up contaminating for example some of our allies in western europe you know italy was

00:34:31.760 hit very hard spain was hit hard britain germany to some extent you know obviously these are individuals

00:34:37.440 who would be extraordinarily unwilling for any of the truth of what happened to get out there and i think all those

00:34:44.640 other attacks were entirely collateral damage caused by the fact that the virus was much more contagious

00:34:51.040 and spread much more rapidly than i thought now one thing i should add and then you know certainly

00:34:55.840 welcome to ask any questions the first issue that comes up when i point that out to pupils they say oh

00:35:01.120 how could anybody believe that the virus would not spread back to the united states that would not

00:35:06.880 infect the rest of the world and the truth is the historical pattern was very different than that for

00:35:12.000 example the sars virus originally appeared in china in 2002 and 2003 it was extremely lethal i think it

00:35:19.040 had about a 15 percent lethality rate and the world at first was terrified that it might spread and

00:35:24.640 devastate all the other countries in the world but it ended up being confined almost entirely to china

00:35:30.480 there were minor outbreaks in a few other countries and it never spread in any significant way to the united

00:35:36.160 states similarly the mrs coronavirus outbreak which took place i think in 2007 and 2008 in the middle east

00:35:44.240 again it hit parts of the middle east very hard it never spread back to the united states so you know

00:35:51.200 under those circumstances you can imagine a small group of individuals being overly um overly reckless in

00:36:00.320 in their action and taking steps that basically ended up having consequences that they wouldn't

00:36:05.760 expect another point i should make is that america dominates the world of propaganda the american media

00:36:12.640 and its allies in the west totally dominate the world media which gives us certain tremendous advantages

00:36:19.200 in international confrontations certainly much more than the media of many of our adversaries like for

00:36:26.000 example russia or china or iran or any of the other countries around the world but one problem with

00:36:31.360 dominating the media and dominating the world of propaganda is you many times start to then believe

00:36:37.360 your own propaganda and that's a tremendous problem for a country for example it later came out that in

00:36:43.120 2019 an international body had produced basically a chart and basically done a survey of which countries in

00:36:53.520 the world would be best situated to cope with any disease outbreak that might suddenly appear anywhere

00:36:59.760 in the world any sudden plague that would appear america was ranked number one america was regarded as

00:37:06.080 the country in the world best able to cope with the outbreak of any mysterious new virus or other epidemic

00:37:12.720 britain was ranked number two china was down around 50 or 60 so that anybody looking at the international

00:37:19.920 groups that monitor that sort of thing would think america would be able to cope with an outbreak like

00:37:24.400 that very effectively and so there's actually one more point i should make it turns out when you look

00:37:30.800 at for example the pattern of events that took place before the outbreak in china there's some

00:37:35.760 extraordinarily suspicious circumstances a man named uh robert kadlock who most people have never heard of

00:37:42.320 has spent decades as america's leading biowarfare expert and advocate he'd served that role in the bush

00:37:48.400 administration as early as the late 1990s he'd become one of the leading writers on biowarfare issues

00:37:56.000 advocating it as a very useful means of defeating or damaging an international adversary and doing so

00:38:03.120 in a plausibly deniable manner including hitting their food supply donald trump brought kadlock into his

00:38:10.160 administration in 2017 and gave him a senior position in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic suddenly

00:38:18.160 appeared to devastate china's poultry industry in 2019 a viral epidemic appeared devastating china's

00:38:26.720 pork industry its primary meat source and then towards the end of 2019 the wuhan virus appeared now

00:38:33.680 it turns out from january to august 2019 america had been running an exercise called the crimson contagion

00:38:43.120 exercise in which state and federal officials spent eight months diagramming and working out how they

00:38:51.760 would deal with the consequences of a mysterious viral epidemic that might suddenly appear in china

00:38:58.400 and kadlock was the individual running those exercises so we're talking about basically exercises aimed

00:39:04.560 directly at protecting america from a virus exactly of the sort that appeared two months after the end of the

00:39:11.040 exercise now if somebody hears something like a crimson contagion exercise dealing with biowarfare in

00:39:17.280 the way i've said it sounds like a fringe idea that was circulated in areas of the internet by crackpots

00:39:24.320 the way i found out about it it was there was a front page story in the new york times describing all

00:39:29.680 the details of the exercise so when we're talking about running biowarfare exercises to protect america

00:39:36.160 against any leakage from a virus that would suddenly appear in china and after eight months

00:39:41.680 of those exercises a virus of exactly that sort does appear in china the coincidences that we're adding

00:39:49.200 up simply would come too numerous to be anything but extremely suspicious oh absolutely and again a

00:39:55.920 lot of things here a lot of things you mentioned already it's like oh i gotta bring this up and that up

00:39:59.600 let's do this let's do this first the absolutely the initial response was erratic to say the least

00:40:06.160 right we had denial then i think we had overreach and you know and you know what initially started i

00:40:13.280 even remember early early on the the democrat side and a lot of you know the liberals and progressives

00:40:17.680 out there were like no no this is it's not that serious um in fact it was even racist when trump proposed

00:40:23.600 that we lock down uh you know the close to border and especially towards china and some of these countries

00:40:28.320 right would not the attempt to like cover cover it up or as you said before that even even some

00:40:36.320 executive orders were hidden from trump and so forth like that this erratic thing kind of seem to

00:40:42.160 indicate that that whoever did this also did not want america to deal with the spread of this virus

00:40:48.800 either in a good way or how do we parse that do you think i would tend to argue the other way in

00:40:54.240 other words what we're talking about you know if we were talking about something that was organized

00:40:58.640 by the american government as the american government that gone through numerous staff meetings and you

00:41:06.640 know pentagon planning sessions and then if the end result was this sort of haphazard lackadaisical

00:41:13.600 disastrously incompetent reaction then i think you would certainly have a good point however i really think

00:41:19.600 all the evidence based on trump's reaction once the virus started coming to the united states is that

00:41:25.280 he was not involved and if you have the president of the united states not involved in an american

00:41:29.920 bio-warfare attack it obviously was a rogue operation i think my guess is it probably would have been

00:41:37.040 organized by a very small group of people maybe a half dozen people probably including one or two people

00:41:42.400 near the top of his administration you know with pompeo and john bolton being the most likely suspects

00:41:48.240 but a small group of people basically that decided to take down america's international rivals

00:41:55.040 without informing trump of what they were planning now when the operation then was actually carried

00:42:01.920 out it would have been carried out by standard american elements of the national security apparatus

00:42:08.400 in other words the virus itself probably was obtained from fort dietrich or one of our other

00:42:12.960 biowarfare labs the individuals who uh distributed the virus in wuhan or possibly got it into iran were

00:42:20.560 probably members of our special forces cia operatives something like that all those lower level individuals

00:42:27.680 assumed that they were participating in a fully authorized government operation in other words everybody

00:42:33.760 knew that america was you know in a confrontation with china and so if they had then received orders

00:42:40.240 from people far above them in the chain that they were given the go-ahead to launch a biowarfare attack

00:42:46.480 to you know damage chinese economy they would have then gone ahead and done it i mean after all that's the

00:42:51.600 sort of thing they had spent probably 10 or 20 or 30 years training for it was exactly why america spent

00:42:57.920 a hundred billion dollars building its biowarfare infrastructure so essentially what happened i don't

00:43:02.720 know if you've ever seen that movie you know the famous movie dr strangelove where you have a base

00:43:08.240 commander that launches a nuclear attack against russia without presidential authorization that's my

00:43:14.800 scenario would happen in real life in other words somebody at a fairly high level got together with a

00:43:20.320 small group of his you know allies or conspirators and decided to go ahead with it then ordered the

00:43:26.480 people far below him in the chain to implement the attack and one of the people who was not informed

00:43:32.560 was the president of the united states and so then when the virus came back to the united states

00:43:37.520 he had no idea what it was and it could or will be those people told him oh it was probably

00:43:42.880 a chinese bioweapon or maybe it was the chinese landlake you know it's not clear what they would

00:43:47.680 have told him but i mean the initial reaction of the united states was so disorganized i think it makes

00:43:53.120 it very clear the country as a whole was not involved in the operation now you know some people say it was

00:43:59.040 deliberate that it would cause these lockdowns in the united states that would cause all these massive

00:44:04.800 economic changes i'm really very skeptical of that in other words you know think of the fact that

00:44:09.840 we had eight months of the crimson contagion exercise from january to august of 2019 to prepare

00:44:18.000 the country to prepare its health officials against a potential virus like that now they ended up not being

00:44:23.440 sufficiently prepared but when you organize that sort of defensive exercise you certainly don't

00:44:28.960 seem like you're deliberately having something happen and also the reaction when you look at it

00:44:34.160 what america was suddenly faced with was a virus invisibly spreading in our society a very contagious

00:44:41.040 virus that chinese china was then coping with and nobody really knew how to handle it because we botched

00:44:46.880 the production of the cdc testing kits so we couldn't even detect whether individuals were becoming

00:44:52.320 infected in individual cities and in fact the first lockdown that took place was in my part of the

00:44:57.120 country it was taken it was implemented by the local public health officer of santa clara county

00:45:04.000 entirely on their own authorization along with some of the other bay area health officers they decided

00:45:10.160 that the country was facing a devastating threat the virus seemed to be spreading invisibly in santa

00:45:15.680 clara county and the fact that they thought that they would have to lock down the bay area

00:45:20.960 to prevent the virus from spreading just like china had successfully controlled the virus through a

00:45:25.360 lockdown that then spread the lockdowns then were implemented in other parts of the country including

00:45:31.600 first california and then new york city and other places as it spread and i think the reason the

00:45:36.800 lockdowns were used was simply that it worked in china china had stamped out the virus very effectively

00:45:43.040 and nobody else had any idea how to control it i mean how do you control an invisibly spreading

00:45:48.560 extremely contagious virus since we'd never faced anything like that before and nobody was at that

00:45:54.480 point entirely sure about the fatality rate they decided to simply do what the chinese had done and

00:46:00.880 the problem in the united states was that our lockdowns were so haphazard and disorganized they never

00:46:07.360 successfully stamped out the virus in other words within a month or two china was back to normal all the

00:46:13.360 people in china were living their normal lives again because the virus had been stamped out

00:46:16.960 in the united states the virus the lockdowns were so ineffective that they ended up remaining in

00:46:22.960 place in many cases for almost a year which so we ended up with really the worst of both worlds in

00:46:29.280 other words according to most estimates probably about a million americans have died from the covert

00:46:34.800 virus or close to a million well on the other hand our entire society and economy was totally disrupted

00:46:42.320 now for two years and you know i i in other words certainly the result was disasters for the united

00:46:48.640 states but i really tend to doubt it was intentional in any way yeah and then on top of that you have

00:46:54.560 the depression with social isolation you have drug issues you even it now you have you know i'd be

00:47:00.080 you know the audience know this i'm very skeptical of the pcr test and so forth even the original uh

00:47:05.200 inventor of them all um was it mulligan i forget his last name now but uh he mentioned this that you know

00:47:10.480 basically thank you exactly karen mullins mentioned that it was not intended to be used in the way

00:47:15.840 that you know they've ended up using it and so forth right but but but even the masking issue right

00:47:20.640 same thing there really there's there is actually a lot of studies on the masking issue and it's very

00:47:24.480 like negligible uh you know positive effects that this have right but i we read something the other

00:47:33.040 day here on one of the shows how now we're learning that this is impairing uh children's ability to read

00:47:38.720 faces and so forth that they're actually developing mental and and social uh issues because they're

00:47:44.080 those who choose to be masked all the time or teachers around them and other kids and so forth

00:47:47.600 right so we have you know if we want to try to find out what what the costs so to speak are going to be

00:47:52.560 here it's way too early to tell because this might go roll on for for a generation after this we we don't

00:47:58.400 even know yet right so this is uh but but one thing i want to go back to sure is the issue there of the

00:48:04.800 of the chinese reaction right because i remember again early on i was very it's see i now i take

00:48:11.760 this into account as well that the and i'm i'm wondering if the the establishment media is smart

00:48:16.800 enough to to to be aware of the thing i'm going to mention here but there's a large contingent on

00:48:21.920 the internet and we've had rumors of you know people even people like hillary clinton have mentioned

00:48:26.080 we're we're losing the information war right they're the they're very aware that there's a large

00:48:31.040 faction most mostly you know active on the internet and so forth that is skeptical of mainstream media

00:48:36.560 they always go kind of in the opposite direction of what they do and so forth right the media doesn't

00:48:41.200 really have to bother with the people that constantly obey them and listen to them right

00:48:44.960 that they they have those they have only had those under control so reasonably they would be interested

00:48:51.040 in those they cannot control in some way because the way that they denied it first in the media and

00:48:56.560 then try looking at what the reactions were in china and you know we were told oh china china don't

00:49:02.080 want these videos to come out we saw people you know standing in the streets and just keeling over

00:49:07.120 right and and like these very dramatic videos that even when we saw that they uh i remember they

00:49:12.560 welded shut uh doors and you know uh stairwells and things like that right and and um other such videos

00:49:20.480 and then i remember later on uh revolver news is one of the sites that did a very good job going through

00:49:26.080 some of those videos that a lot of us were scared really scared by early on and said many of them

00:49:31.120 and maybe not hundred percent but many of them that spread online were uh from something completely

00:49:36.720 different there was tests there was drill there were these had nothing to do with because we we

00:49:41.040 haven't we didn't really see those things at least in the west of people just falling over dropping

00:49:45.680 dead i mean i remember one new story where they said that there was three chinese people that had

00:49:50.720 turned black because of the kobe virus or something and and it turns out most of these were just kind

00:49:56.960 of made up or exactly taken out of context or something but my point in bringing this up is that

00:50:02.960 there seems to have been like a initially there seemed to be a cover-up of this by china now if they

00:50:08.960 would have been attacked if they were aware at least that they would have was were attacked by the

00:50:13.760 u.s would it stand to reason that they would instead of covering up highlighting it and say

00:50:18.720 we were just attacked look at this and try to benefit from this on the international stages on

00:50:23.440 capacity as opposed to kind of you know putting the lid on this and dealing with it internally i

00:50:28.000 don't know is that a contradiction i mean i actually i've looked into that quite a bit and

00:50:32.640 my perspective is a little bit different than that in other words based on all the evidence i've

00:50:37.280 seen the chinese government only found out about the virus spreading right towards the end of

00:50:42.720 december the last couple of days of december in fact the local government probably found out a few

00:50:47.280 days later and then the national chinese government probably only discovered the existence of the

00:50:52.400 virus towards the end of december and remember at that point not a single chinese person had yet died

00:50:58.320 the chinese then basically cracked down on the virus and tried to control it within about two or

00:51:03.920 three weeks they certainly lost a few days in other words there was a big wall street journal

00:51:08.640 investigative piece on it that described how the chinese had missed six or seven days at a crucial

00:51:16.080 point and ignored the spread of the virus when if they'd reacted more quickly it could have had a

00:51:20.640 very different effect so you know they certainly their government made some mistakes their local

00:51:24.880 officials in some cases tried to ignore the thing but the government only found out what was happening

00:51:30.800 right at the end of december and it was by mid-january that they ended up basically locking down the

00:51:37.280 city of wuhan and taking the necessary corrective action now what i found very suspicious when i

00:51:43.760 started looking into these things is by mid to late january at a time when nobody in the rest of the

00:51:50.720 world was really paying much attention to what was going on in wuhan china you know it was a small item

00:51:55.520 in the new york times there already had become a massive anti-china propaganda campaign by various

00:52:03.760 anti-china bloggers anti-china tweeters anti-china websites many of them associated with the fulangang

00:52:11.440 and epoch news you know epoch times or whatever it's called so you basically had a massive anti-china

00:52:17.920 propaganda campaign promoting exactly the videos you're talking about in other words videos that

00:52:23.200 seem to say china was collapsing china was being destroyed by this virus sometimes claiming that it was

00:52:29.600 a chinese bio weapon that had leaked out of one of their labs and was therefore devastating their

00:52:35.280 society now all of those videos you're talking about were promoted and distributed by anti-china

00:52:42.000 websites anti-china bloggers anti-china social media personalities that sort of thing and so it stands

00:52:50.080 to reason that they probably were produced by anti-china groups in other words there are a lot of groups

00:52:55.600 again associated with the falangang that are very very hostile to china and it would be a very

00:53:01.360 natural thing that they would produce videos even if they weren't directly involved with the

00:53:06.160 biowarfare attack that would seem to indicate that china was collapsing you know it's the sort of thing

00:53:11.520 there have been various writers who've been claiming now for 20 years that china was about to collapse

00:53:16.480 i think gerald chang or gordon chang you know for 20-25 years he's written a series of articles saying

00:53:23.440 the chinese economy is about to collapse and so you have a situation suddenly where there is this

00:53:28.080 lethal mysterious disease outbreak in one of china's largest cities nobody knows the exact details

00:53:34.800 of what's happening but you have people basically claiming that it was it came from china and it would

00:53:40.720 destroy chinese society and i think that made me really quite suspicious because they were the only

00:53:47.600 people in the world focusing on the issue at that point and what's really interesting is that then a

00:53:52.400 couple of months later two or three months later when elements of the american national security

00:53:57.280 establishment like mike pompeo cia officials started describing what they suspected had happened

00:54:04.160 they said oh it was probably a virus that leaked out of the wuhan lab yeah they were proposing exactly

00:54:10.880 the same thing that those early propaganda videos that sometimes argued and some of them talked about

00:54:16.800 for example a virus coming from bats or something like that but many of them also argued it was a chinese

00:54:22.640 virus that leaked out of the wuhan lab so it seemed to me what probably was going on was that the

00:54:28.000 individuals involved in orchestrating this bio warfare attack against china since they knew what was

00:54:33.760 about to happen then organized certain elements of these groups to launch a propaganda campaign

00:54:40.640 targeting china before anybody even knew what was going on you see the whole thing about it is if the first

00:54:46.560 thing anybody heard about this mysterious virus on the internet was that it was a chinese virus that

00:54:53.920 leaked out of the wuhan lab or even possibly a chinese bioweapon that would anticipate any chinese

00:55:00.160 charges that might come out later in other words if everybody was talking about it leaking out of the wuhan

00:55:05.600 lab then the chinese if they reacted in two or three months people wouldn't pay as much attention to it the other

00:55:12.400 thing also that did was that forced a lot of american scientists then in some ways to react and say no

00:55:20.400 it wasn't a chinese bioweapon it was a natural virus and once they ended up putting in place with articles

00:55:27.600 for example in nature medicine and science the case there was a natural virus then when the iranians

00:55:34.800 accused america of launching a bio warfare attack the response was the iranians are crazy everybody knows

00:55:40.240 it's a natural virus it couldn't have been an american bio warfare attack so i'm not saying i can

00:55:46.080 predict how much of that stuff was planned or coordinated but i found it very suspicious that there was a

00:55:51.840 massive internet propaganda campaign attacking china as being the source of the virus before almost

00:55:58.720 anybody else in the world was paying any attention to the issue yeah and that propaganda campaign was not

00:56:03.520 coming from china now would this mean then that the military contingent that you're talking about here

00:56:08.400 really and we know it's very compartmentalized and you know even the people that would actually

00:56:13.120 be part of releasing something like this would potentially not even know what they're doing right

00:56:16.880 that that's how these things go but anyway that would mean that the release of this bioweapon

00:56:22.880 would the contingent here that that group inside the military doing this they don't they don't in

00:56:28.720 your view control control them the media they don't have the ability at least to largely on a bigger scale

00:56:34.000 control the narrative in the media because that seems to at least at a time before it was like

00:56:38.480 unified seems to go off in an opposite direction perhaps right it's you know i'm i'm very i'm very

00:56:44.400 conspiratory minded it's just kind of my nature in a way right so so i see you know cooperation i see

00:56:49.840 even even uh international cooperation here that i i see less let's say open i'm not saying doesn't exist

00:56:56.720 of course and definitely a little bit maybe lower ranks and so forth but you know the cooperation on an

00:57:01.440 international scale because if we talk about the ecohealth alliance connection for a moment which

00:57:06.320 which does of course tie into wuhan and it looks like if all of that's correct unless that's another

00:57:11.680 you know red herring or or meant to take us down a rabbit hole intentionally which could very well be

00:57:16.320 and i want to get your take on that but it seems to indicate that the work at least uh of gain of

00:57:21.680 function and so forth that uh was outlawed under obama i forget 2014 or something like that right

00:57:27.200 um fauci under uh niaid goes on and says well let's hire this third party ecohealth alliance

00:57:32.960 which consequently took it over to wuhan and allegedly continued you know kind of the work there

00:57:38.240 that and if the chinese are doing that they're developing it there that seems to kind of indicate

00:57:43.120 at least to me that there's an international cooperation here right there's there's elements

00:57:47.200 in china and there's elements in america there's something even now the countries i think canada

00:57:51.520 there were some trails to canada regarding a virus uh france i think was what one of the main

00:57:56.480 countries that were helping china to build these very uh was it stage four uh you know bio uh

00:58:02.560 bio warfare weapon containment facilities essentially but how do you how do you parse

00:58:06.560 that or how what's your thoughts on that my perspective on that is a little bit different now

00:58:11.200 the first thing about it is obviously the main scenario the media has been promoting for the

00:58:15.600 last six or seven or eight months has been the lab leak scenario in fact a series of books have come out

00:58:21.360 a series of non-fiction books basically arguing the case for the lab leak but there really seems

00:58:27.120 almost no evidence for any leak from the wuhan lab in other words one interesting thing that hasn't

00:58:33.120 received enough attention is there's the single most credible source we have for what was going on in

00:58:39.440 the wuhan lab is an experienced australian virologist named danielle anderson she was actually at the

00:58:46.960 wuhan lab in the period in question she was working there she'd spent a number of months there some of

00:58:52.320 the arguments made by the trump administration were that oh the uh the wuhan lab had no safety

00:58:59.120 provisions it was very careless and that's why the virus would have leaked out she was there at the time

00:59:04.560 and she has in an interview with bloomberg has said that the safety provisions of the wuhan lab were

00:59:10.320 absolutely outstanding in fact she urged her own lab in australia to start adopting some of them

00:59:16.640 she also said that there was absolutely no indication and she worked very closely with the

00:59:21.040 people there there was no indication that the people there were working on anything like the

00:59:25.440 covid virus there was no indication anybody at the lab became ill in any way in the time in question

00:59:31.840 that some people have proposed and there's basically she's very very skeptical that it came out from

00:59:37.920 the wuhan lab and the the whole thing about it is you have to separate the two parts of the lab leak

00:59:43.920 scenario there's a tremendous amount of evidence now that the virus is not natural that it was

00:59:50.320 bioengineered and you know that's basically what people have been talking about for the last six or

00:59:55.680 seven or eight months but there's absolutely zero evidence that it leaked out of the wuhan lab

01:00:01.760 absolutely zero evidence and you know we have an eyewitness there we have all the other facts

01:00:07.040 involved i mean basically the wuhan lab they published no you know you have to say whether

01:00:12.880 it was a secret project or not now if it were a secret project it presumably would have been some

01:00:17.360 sort of bio warfare project but the wuhan lab is not an institution that would have been involved

01:00:22.160 normally with that sort of thing and also they basically published a lot of papers over the years

01:00:27.760 dealing with all sorts of different viral developments and there's no indication any of those papers

01:00:33.520 show that they were working on anything like the covet virus so i'm not saying it's impossible that came

01:00:38.320 from the wuhan lab but there's absolutely zero evidence that came from the wuhan lab and the one

01:00:43.360 most credible source we have there says she's absolutely sure probably didn't so we then have to ask

01:00:49.200 ourselves why was fauci and why were american officials funding some of this research at the wuhan lab now

01:00:57.040 the truth is most fauci's most of the money that um was coming to the eco health alliance with the

01:01:04.320 peter dozek i think his name was yeah most of it was coming from the cia or the pentagon it was coming

01:01:09.760 from america's national security establishment oriented towards biodefense and only a tiny tiny fraction

01:01:17.120 of it was given to the wuhan lab i think probably like about one or two percent of their funding it was

01:01:21.760 spread out for labs all across the world some people have plausibly argued that it was a means

01:01:28.000 from the cia and the pentagon america's national security establishment to use the lure of this

01:01:33.920 funding to gain intelligence on the bio research being done in labs all around the world including

01:01:40.960 the wuhan lab i think the figure i saw is america gave something like six hundred thousand dollars to

01:01:47.040 the wuhan lab in 2018 or 2019 i think the total amount of money we gave to the wuhan lab

01:01:54.000 via peter dozek and icca health alliance was like a couple of million dollars now looking at it

01:01:59.200 logically you know if we're talking about a country china that has a multi-trillion dollar economy

01:02:06.880 we're talking about massive government national security spending of hundreds of billions of dollars

01:02:12.640 does it make any sense at all that america could give a few hundred thousand dollars a year

01:02:18.320 to a bio warfare lab and suddenly gain you know influence or control over the resources

01:02:25.360 the only way i think probably could have been involved and by the way i personally think neither

01:02:29.600 peter dozek nor fauci nor any of those people were probably aware at all about this bio warfare attack

01:02:36.560 they simply were involved in working with the wuhan lab in an entirely different way the way

01:02:42.400 their involvement might have come in is that people have noticed that the wuhan lab did have a

01:02:48.080 precursor virus that's the closest match to the covet virus it's not an exact match but i think it's

01:02:54.800 about 96 or 97 percent similar so it's the closest match anywhere in the world and that's why people

01:03:00.960 again suspect that it might have come from the wuhan lab but the point about it is if we were

01:03:06.080 giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to this research facility if our bio researchers were on

01:03:12.720 a very friendly basis they were going there meeting them with them periodically and even supporting some

01:03:17.760 of their research it probably would have been not very difficult for us to obtain samples of some of

01:03:23.840 their viruses that they were working on you know in an academic way and those viruses could have then

01:03:28.960 been used as the precursors for the development of bio warfare virus in the united states so as to

01:03:35.040 throw the suspicion in a different direction in other words if you're launching a bio warfare attack

01:03:39.920 against another country if you're developing the capability of something like that you obviously

01:03:44.960 want to make sure that the fingerprints are not on your hand but are pointing in a different

01:03:50.160 direction obviously getting a chinese virus as the precursor for the covet virus would be the ideal way

01:03:57.280 of ensuring that now there are of course a lot of people that talked about this before the uh the

01:04:02.960 outbreak happened and you know there's another thing here that you mentioned which is interesting

01:04:07.360 as well which is when did the first cases kind of arise right here's a newsweek piece um you know

01:04:12.800 talking about this that it was i forget how uh they i think they trace it back to yeah november 17th

01:04:18.800 2019 possibly a 55 year old individual from the hubei province although patient sera is yet to be found there

01:04:25.040 was also one let me see if i can find the right story here it was a story from a new out of study

01:04:30.000 out of norway actually uh i had it up here in a moment ago um anyway that that one detailed too that

01:04:36.240 they said that it probably spread much earlier uh than we actually uh believed at first right let me

01:04:41.520 see here where where is it okay i can't find it now it doesn't matter but the point is the point is

01:04:46.640 it could have been circulating a long time before this uh yeah go ahead i'm not sure about that the whole

01:04:52.960 thing about it is it's an extremely contagious disease now right when it spreads in a given

01:04:57.760 city if a few people have it there's a perfectly reasonable chance it may die out but if it doesn't

01:05:02.720 die out i mean once it gains uh once it gains some traction in other words once basically a dozen or

01:05:08.560 two dozen people have it it then grows exponentially and within a month or two you have a massive outbreak

01:05:13.920 that happened in wuhan it happened in lombardy it happened in spain it happened in many cities around

01:05:19.600 the united states so you know the best evidence that people have when they've looked at for example

01:05:25.360 the mutational trail of the virus and trying to work backwards to see when patient zero occurred or

01:05:31.840 the epidemiological trail in other words people when people first noticed in wuhan the evidence seems to

01:05:37.600 be that the patient zero probably was towards the end of october or the beginning of november you know

01:05:43.840 there's some error bars but probably from mid-october to mid-november would be the time that the virus

01:05:50.560 broke out in wuhan there have been some claims using for example wastewater analysis and pcr tests

01:05:57.440 on wastewater analysis that the virus might have been present for example in parts of the united states

01:06:03.040 many months earlier in 2019 a trace was for example found in spain there have been about six or seven

01:06:10.080 different cases where old samples were found that seemed to show traces of the virus many months

01:06:15.840 before you logically would expect it there but the problem is just as you mentioned many of these tests

01:06:22.240 are prone to tremendous numbers of false positives and when you really sit down and look at the six or

01:06:28.080 seven academic studies that were done supposedly finding evidence of the virus having been present in these

01:06:34.160 places earlier the wastewater samples or blood samples it basically falls apart in other words

01:06:40.160 you have a situation where for example there was one positive that was found in spain i believe in

01:06:46.240 march of 2019 and every successful every successive sample for the next eight months found absolutely

01:06:54.240 nothing at all and then it finally appeared in spain right towards the end of the year at the beginning

01:06:58.720 of 2020 so it seems very likely to be a false positive in fact some of the tests on the united states

01:07:04.960 show that you typically get 95 false positives 99 false positives and so i don't think there's any

01:07:11.920 evidence the virus was anywhere in the world prior to around the beginning of november in wuhan china

01:07:18.640 you know what what and there's others talked about this too but why it seems to be

01:07:22.800 um there it's the response at least later on before the international community and various nations

01:07:30.560 and so forth have kind of really homogenized their response of sort of like how do we deal with this

01:07:35.120 and and yes to a certain extent it's been very erratic and that maybe they look at another kind of

01:07:38.880 what did that country do and then they start emulating and so forth so it's not necessarily that

01:07:42.960 this has been a you know homogeneous response but i'd say now after a couple of years we have a very

01:07:49.200 very similar things have happened in many countries right and people like mike yeeden for example the

01:07:54.880 former uh he worked for pfizer initially it was part of the uh the the research department i think of

01:08:00.720 i forget which uh type i think was his virology or certain viruses he was looking at that but he was

01:08:05.920 talking about that countries had certain protocols in place initially uh of what do we do if an outbreak

01:08:13.920 happens what protocols do we follow what do we do and so forth and he said at least according to him that

01:08:18.800 most countries that had these ended up breaking all of those uh you know kind of methods that they had

01:08:24.960 in place and went down a completely different route and an untested route i i remember even looking at

01:08:30.800 the the idea of lockdown it was actually traced back to it i believe it was a daughter of a researcher at

01:08:36.640 sandia labs that initially did a computer modeling program where she you know emulated a town in a city

01:08:43.040 and she ended up uh you know basically yeah social distancing and and locking certain things down

01:08:48.240 as a form of containment and so forth you know but it was been largely untested and as you said

01:08:53.600 when wuhan did this is never anything in history had happened like this before you know what i mean

01:08:59.120 um so it's it's a bit but what i do must add to it though is that there seems to be an awful lot of

01:09:05.680 people that have jumped on the opportunity that this virus uh or whatever it is have offered them

01:09:11.760 uh to start bringing in certain policies and things and restrictions which frankly many countries have

01:09:17.040 had waiting in the in the in the pipeline they've said well we would we would love to have a social

01:09:21.600 credit score for example why not a uh you know a passport that's tied to you know your your overall

01:09:27.760 score right whether it's a social credit score or a health score or something like that that

01:09:31.520 you've seen a rollout of things um on the backs on the back of this virus which seems to have benefited

01:09:37.920 a lot of uh different international agendas out there what do you think of that well i certainly agree

01:09:42.800 with all that and you know there's the old frame i think was ram and emmanuel who uh was obama's chief

01:09:48.720 of staff who said never let a crisis go to waste that's right in other words there are a lot of these

01:09:53.200 policies that people have had in place that have been planning for many years and then suddenly a crisis

01:09:58.320 comes along to justify the implementation of those policies some of those policies might be good some

01:10:03.600 of those policies might be harmful but i i don't think the fact that these policies were implemented

01:10:08.960 provides much evidence of whether the people who implemented the policies were behind the original

01:10:14.160 crisis totally agree even it was intentional and so the whole thing about it one other point i should

01:10:19.120 make is a lot of people then have pointed to some of these other uh exercises like for example the

01:10:25.200 the um the world economic forum various other you know planning exercises to control a virus that

01:10:31.920 have been fairly prominent for the last few years dealing with different contagious exercises

01:10:38.160 one thing that i think is possible just speculation that's possible if you had a small group of

01:10:43.920 people some of whom were near the top of the trump administration who were planning to launch this

01:10:49.440 biowarfare attack against china it would make sense that then they would use the people in their orbit

01:10:55.920 to help prepare america for the contingent results in other words it's not that they would go to for

01:11:00.960 example the world economic forum and tell them we're planning to launch a biowarfare attack against china

01:11:07.040 they would simply go to those individuals you know using their prestigious positions and say we're worried about viruses

01:11:14.000 suddenly appearing in the world you know there was sars there was mers there's always a chance of some

01:11:18.720 dangerous virus outbreak taking place and we should have more planning exercises to cope with that and

01:11:24.240 that's probably what happened with the crimson contagion exercise in the united states and that's what

01:11:28.800 probably might have been involved with a lot of these other planning exercises so you have a situation

01:11:34.000 probably where 99.99 of the people involved in those activities had no clue what was being planned

01:11:43.040 but they were then i guess you could say either encouraged or manipulated by the small group of

01:11:48.960 people who were planning the exercise to go ahead with it and there's one more point i should definitely

01:11:53.680 get out there which i think is the closest thing we have to a smoking gun in the whole biowarfare

01:11:59.120 scenario as i said once the virus started leaking back into the united states and the fact that we

01:12:05.680 reacted in such an incompetent and lackadaisical way trump ignored it trump said it would basically

01:12:11.680 go away it would disappear by itself it suddenly ended up by april being a gigantic disaster for the

01:12:17.600 country and what's interesting is in early to mid-april four separate american intelligence sources then

01:12:25.040 went to abc news to try to justify their own behavior and they basically said it wasn't our fault that this

01:12:32.000 total disaster is taking place in the united states with tens of thousands of americans already dying

01:12:37.920 we were on top of it it's the trump administration they didn't take advantage of the information we gave

01:12:42.880 them and they pointed out they told abc news the defense intelligence agency had produced a secret

01:12:49.360 intelligence report describing a massive viral outbreak taking place in wuhan china that had

01:12:56.640 catastrophic implications and urged the american government to take defensive action so that we

01:13:02.800 wouldn't suffer and basically they distributed to the white house they distributed the top levels of the

01:13:07.440 american government and the american government sat on it ignored it and that's why we had

01:13:12.720 the disaster so that was a big abc news story it was obviously heavily promoted by all the people in

01:13:18.480 the media who hated donald trump who hated his reaction to the thing but then somebody suddenly noticed

01:13:24.080 something the date of the secret intelligence report that was given to the top levels of the american

01:13:30.480 government was november november was before anybody in china was even aware of the viral outbreak

01:13:38.080 in november probably no more than half a dozen or a dozen people in a city of 11 million people were

01:13:44.080 starting to feel a little bit sick and it was over a month before anybody in the top levels of the

01:13:50.080 chinese government became aware of this viral outbreak so you had the defense intelligence agency

01:13:55.680 distributing a secret intelligence report warning of a disastrous viral outbreak taking place in wuhan china

01:14:03.040 before anybody in the world was aware of it and so that immediately suddenly you know made people

01:14:10.480 realize there was something very suspicious going on and it turns out the pentagon then officially

01:14:14.880 denied the existence of the report they said the report does not exist it's just a figment of the

01:14:19.760 imagination those people weren't telling the truth but then two weeks later israeli tv

01:14:25.520 was uh reported of course the reports exist it was given to israel it was given to the nato

01:14:30.720 allies the report certainly would distribute in exactly that sort of way so there seems overwhelming

01:14:36.320 evidence that a secret intelligence report by a unit of the defense intelligence agency was produced

01:14:42.640 in the second week of november describing a potentially catastrophic disease outbreak taking place in wuhan

01:14:49.840 china when nobody else in the world would become aware of it for six or seven weeks and you know i think

01:14:56.800 the way you know something like that is if somebody informed you of what had happened right you're

01:15:01.440 saying this is the indicator at least to their in their mind that their allies that like get ready for

01:15:06.880 something where this could happen right because again maybe we have those classic clips and you

01:15:10.480 know we can't play it and it's interesting get your take on this but a lot of lot of chatter from

01:15:15.200 different you know sources started to pop up around anywhere from october i think it was even uh

01:15:20.880 tedros cabras let's begin with that clip tedros cabrasis he's speaking at um the uh the it's called

01:15:27.360 a global preparedness monitoring board that was just like opened up and i think it's under the world

01:15:32.400 health organizations that umbrella this is september 22nd uh 2019 listen to uh listen to this here

01:15:38.800 often ask me what keeps me awake at night

01:15:41.440 that's it and i don't even think i say pandemic through it it comes just automatic

01:15:54.480 and you know the reason why now you have the detailed reason

01:16:01.840 but not only it wakes me at night but very often

01:16:04.960 and we know that the next global influenza pandemic is simply a matter of when not whether

01:16:14.800 and that's exactly what the report says the world and he goes on from there but yeah you have that

01:16:20.240 one right a famous one and so people okay he's obviously given directives i'm not saying this guy's

01:16:25.120 in honor and like that but he's you know as a mouthpiece of one you know global uh organization

01:16:32.000 an important one uh especially in regards to the health issues and so forth have been given the word

01:16:37.200 somewhere and and you know that's why they're setting up a specific monitoring board uh leading

01:16:42.080 off of this and then i want your comment on this but let's play the the famous fauci clip as well

01:16:46.080 him talking about how a uh surprise was coming this back in 2017 but again i think there could be even

01:16:52.400 maybe there's an anti you know trump contingent here and they wanted to surprise the administration

01:16:57.920 anything is possible listen to uh i would bring that perspective to the topic

01:17:01.840 today is the issue of pandemic uh preparedness and if there's one message that i want to leave

01:17:10.160 with you today based on my experience and you'll see that in a moment is that there is no question

01:17:16.480 that there will be a challenge to the coming administration in the arena of infectious diseases

01:17:22.560 both chronic infectious diseases in the sense of already ongoing disease and we have certainly a

01:17:27.600 large burden of that but also there will be a surprise outbreak and i hope by the end of my

01:17:33.200 relatively short presentation you will understand why history the history of the last 32 years that

01:17:41.120 i've been the director of niaid will tell the next administration that there's no doubt in anyone's mind

01:17:48.000 that they will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with there you go right

01:17:54.080 so that's so that's interesting the the the rumor was already there circulating in all kinds of uh

01:17:59.040 halls of of power and international organizations you know oh i agree entirely in other words we can

01:18:06.880 have a situation where only a very small number of people are actively involved in the effort but they can

01:18:13.120 then spread the general awareness of what might happen or preparedness issues to a much broader group of

01:18:21.120 people in their circles and it spreads from there so you know again it it's very difficult to know

01:18:26.720 who would have been involved i think it probably would have been a very small group of people

01:18:30.480 and what shocks me most really is that you know given the bulk of this evidence given you know the

01:18:36.080 i mean the secret intelligence report that we were distributing before anybody else in the world

01:18:40.800 even was aware of the outbreak in wuhan it's really astonishing how none of this stuff has been

01:18:46.240 covered obviously in the american mainstream media and relatively little of it has even been discussed

01:18:51.840 in the alternative media this one i didn't know about this one was very interesting that we have

01:18:55.120 up on screen now that's a good uh yeah i just it went under my radar for some reason very interesting

01:19:00.640 exactly and it's the sort of thing where you know we have a debate right now going on between the

01:19:05.200 natural virus and lab leak scenario but there's a third case there's the most obvious i think and

01:19:11.360 supported of all and under that situation you know one reason i think the media and even the

01:19:16.640 alternative media is so reluctant to even mention some of these things is the evidence is so overwhelming

01:19:22.320 in other words we have some we have a australian virologist who is on the scene of the wuhan lab

01:19:28.880 she says there was no sign of a lab leak there she's very skeptical the virus was developed there

01:19:34.560 she thinks it's very unlikely would have come from there and that right now is the only alternative

01:19:39.840 being presented to the natural virus scenario well you know if we're talking about something like

01:19:44.640 a viral outbreak of this type you know a biological warfare uh attack i mean we're talking about

01:19:50.720 something now that has killed probably 20 million people around the world it's created this is the

01:19:56.080 greatest event in world history since the end of the second world war the most impactful event

01:20:01.360 nothing in the last 70 or 80 years has had the impact of this global epidemic

01:20:05.760 uh probably a million americans have died and people are unwilling to explore the very obvious

01:20:12.480 evidence pointing in the direction it goes and you know what i find particularly striking about this

01:20:18.080 is obviously the liberal media the mainstream liberal media hates and despises donald trump

01:20:23.920 they describe him as the center of all evil the greatest threat to human life on planet earth and the

01:20:29.920 things they focus on are the fact that he might spend send out a nasty tweet at 2 a.m.

01:20:34.560 while he was still allowed to tweet and we have a situation where there's tremendously strong

01:20:38.960 circumstantial evidence that not he himself but some of the people he brought into this administration

01:20:45.280 launched an incredibly reckless biowarfare attack against china and iran that ended up blowing back

01:20:52.480 in the united states disrupting our society for two years and probably killing a million americans

01:20:58.960 and i mean if you can't talk about something like that i mean why talk about anything at all it just

01:21:04.000 it just is amazing to me that all of this evidence has been sitting there for two years

01:21:10.000 and so few people have really been aware of it or talked about it in fact you know early on for example

01:21:15.120 you know when i ended up publishing some of these articles with people i mean there was actually one very

01:21:19.840 good article by whitney webb that was rejected by her outlet at the time on america's

01:21:26.320 bio warfare programs regarding uh use of of the sort of viruses that you know bats deal with

01:21:32.640 and we ended up publishing and you know that's the reason it got some attention same thing with

01:21:36.080 a lot of these other articles we've published so it just seems strange to me that more people have

01:21:41.120 not focused on the trail of evidence which to my mind really seems quite strong in all this there's

01:21:46.800 there's a high noise ratio when it comes to these things and i think part frankly also of the

01:21:52.720 the if you want to cover something like this up it's very advantageous to kind of just have a two

01:21:59.040 hegelian dialectic if you will or a rock in a hard place you can use any knowledge that you want but

01:22:04.400 if you have two teams fighting it's more like in only two teams no you know don't go don't make it

01:22:09.440 too complicated it's is it a lab leak or is it not you know okay and you just you just get stuck

01:22:14.720 between that that's the only discussion you hear and to a certain extent as i said before if you have the

01:22:19.520 media taking a strong position or something there is a large contingent on internet researchers and

01:22:24.640 online you know people and alternative media that kind of a you know you know knee-jerk response will

01:22:31.440 automatically go in the opposite direction and and you cannot get stuck in that way so this is of

01:22:35.200 course it's very important to you know to kind of look beyond that and and and see what other options

01:22:39.440 there is and usually there is uh you know usually there's always more to the story than than what we're

01:22:44.480 allowed to discuss but at the same time even the censorship right of of the uh of the lab leak

01:22:49.840 theory material early on is is aiding and helping uh you know so even let's say that they wanted to

01:22:57.040 have have it be uh a lab leak that that's like you know a look this way right that the if you help to

01:23:03.280 if you censor there you have a streisand effect then it's like oh that's what they're trying to cover

01:23:07.280 up that's what really is going on right it's very clever it's smart and another aspect of this

01:23:12.240 situation is that since early on alternative media especially uh more right-wing alternative media

01:23:18.640 was so heavily drenched in all those videos showing huge numbers of chinese dying dropping

01:23:24.320 down on the street all the talk of a chinese bioweapon once they found out that obviously

01:23:29.920 those videos were fraudulent and you know the death rate of the virus is more like 0.5 percent rather

01:23:34.800 than 20 percent or 30 percent they might have been burned enough by that as to stay away from the

01:23:40.400 the bioweapons scenario since they'd sort of already gone through it and you know been it

01:23:46.080 turned out to be mistaken before so you know that's part of it also another thing i should probably

01:23:50.720 mention is that there has been a clamp down on media and it turns out for example when i published my

01:23:55.680 first article on this you know setting up really most of this evidence it was in april 2020 and it ended

01:24:02.000 up getting a tremendous amount of early visibility i mean more really readership than anything i published

01:24:07.360 for a number of years and then within days of that article being published we were suddenly banned

01:24:12.960 from facebook and all of our web pages were deranked from google yeah and once you're basically

01:24:18.400 banned by the two largest gatekeepers of the internet it's obviously much more difficult to get

01:24:23.360 subsequent articles you know broader attention yeah yep exactly this is how this is how they do it

01:24:29.440 right uh but again that doesn't always mean uh depending on what what they said what they censor and so

01:24:34.560 forth that that's uh the the what i'm saying is there there could be in some instances at least

01:24:39.360 that they're aware of if we cover something up then that's where a lot of people will spend their

01:24:43.120 time looking you know kind of thing right but what about the um let me ask you about and i want to go

01:24:47.360 into operation warp speed and so forth because of course trump had a very big hand in that and that

01:24:50.960 was also a military rollout which kind of connects a little bit with what you're talking about but

01:24:55.440 what about the have you looked into the sequencing of the actual virus in and of itself right

01:24:59.760 because what we've heard at least officially is that china sequenced it i forget what the date was right

01:25:04.640 and then they basically just uploaded this to to a database where other countries and so forth

01:25:10.000 researchers scientists around the world could access this and they got they got to work on you

01:25:14.400 know the this this mrna gene therapy the vaccine and so forth the rollout of that are there any

01:25:20.880 genetic markers here what i'm saying is that are you aware of if this is at all advanced in the

01:25:26.800 sense that it's targeting certain traits and so forth because again stands to reason that at least they have

01:25:32.720 the technology now that if they particularly wanted to target china let's say let's say was there a

01:25:37.760 genetic marker they could use did it hit that i've heard contradictory information right some i've

01:25:42.160 heard some scientists say no it's uh actually white europeans are the most uh you know they have a ace2

01:25:48.320 receptor uptake is very high among them and so forth it i remember some study out of the uk they said that

01:25:53.840 the uh i think indians were uh more susceptible and so forth what what have you uh sorted any of

01:25:58.880 that out yet because it's very very contradictory to me sure well back in january there was actually

01:26:04.160 a lot of speculation floating around that the virus was targeting was especially aimed at east asians chinese

01:26:10.960 people in particular in fact early on there was some speculation that uh europeans that caucasians were

01:26:17.040 almost immune there were like one or two whites who'd been living in wuhan who said that oh they didn't have any

01:26:22.480 problem with the virus or was very mild for them so there was a lot of speculation like that floating

01:26:27.280 around early on but then within a couple of months it rapidly spread to other parts of the world now

01:26:32.320 obviously the vast vast majority of people have now died from the virus have been caucasians and in

01:26:38.000 many cases europeans so there's absolutely no evidence that it particularly targets asians

01:26:43.200 recently because china ended up stamping out the virus so effectively and only a few thousand chinese

01:26:48.320 died while a million americans have died there's sometimes been contrary speculation floating around

01:26:53.760 on the internet that oh the virus might be especially targeting whites or europeans or caucasians

01:27:00.640 but there doesn't really seem to be any evidence at all for example california has a large asian

01:27:05.120 population including many chinese and when i've looked at for example the fatality rates uh relative to

01:27:12.000 age distribution of both whites in california and asians in california they seem to be pretty

01:27:17.920 similar so in other words it's certainly possible that one group might be 10 percent more vulnerable

01:27:23.200 or 20 percent more vulnerable than another group but they're both basically in the same ballpark

01:27:28.160 and the tremendous issue of vulnerability is really age that's the single biggest factor

01:27:33.360 individuals who are for example older than 60 i think are probably a hundred times more likely to die

01:27:39.280 than individuals who are under 40. the secondary factor is weight if you're overweight it really

01:27:44.960 is a much more dangerous virus to you and then obviously there are other medical conditions as well

01:27:50.080 but those factors seem enormously larger than any racial factor and though it's possible

01:27:56.640 that eventually biowarfare weapons could be tailored on a racial basis there's no evidence anybody

01:28:03.680 succeeded in doing that so far and there's certainly no evidence that this virus in particular

01:28:09.600 you know targets one race rather than another race so you know you can imagine a lot of speculation

01:28:14.000 like that floating around but seems mostly unwarranted speculation yeah i think for a while at

01:28:19.840 least i know that this is you know definitely more than a decade ago i think might it might even be two

01:28:25.040 so uh this is old by now and i know and i know that they have a lot of you know new research a lot of

01:28:30.160 things have happened in genomic sequencing and so forth so uh they probably have a lot more today than they

01:28:35.360 did then but remember the israelis were trying to develop some genetic genetic specific weapon and

01:28:39.600 so forth but i think at least at that time they said that there were so many similarities that it's

01:28:44.160 very hard for them to find specific exactly uh but maybe they have uh broken through on that now and

01:28:49.600 so forth you know i don't know it's it's very interesting right but uh yeah i'm sure yeah go go

01:28:54.400 ahead uh i was just about to say that you know back in january the fact that it broke out that way in

01:28:59.280 wuhan china you know i actually dropped notes to a few people i know including people who have

01:29:03.600 pretty good knowledge of biotechnology issues asking whether they thought it was all possible

01:29:08.560 it might be a racially target bioweapon targeting han or targeting east asians and their opinion was

01:29:14.400 probably the technology quite isn't quite there yet in other words eventually it'll be there but it's

01:29:19.120 probably not there yet and then you know once obviously it's spread to all these other countries we

01:29:23.680 saw in this particular case it simply wasn't that sort of bioweapon it's certainly possible it's

01:29:28.640 possible somebody's already developed something like that yeah but it just isn't true in this

01:29:33.680 particular case no i mean at this point we haven't seen you know one population they all die and

01:29:38.640 everyone hasn't been that clear again this is very i would you know sometimes we think it's maybe easier

01:29:45.120 than it actually is a you know there's a lot of incidents to this but i would assume that at least

01:29:50.160 they're very interested in working on something like on something like this to develop it now if we

01:29:55.440 talk about operation warp speed a little bit because of course trump is at the forefront of

01:29:58.880 this and i'm not sure if you're aware at all of the work of someone like um david martin who's kind

01:30:04.800 of looked at the patent trail of this and at least he claims that there's at least 10 years in the

01:30:09.920 making of this mrna vaccine and the rollout uh there's even actually quite interesting work that's

01:30:14.320 come out i think it was even glenn beck he was on uh tucker carson talking about how moderna owns the

01:30:19.760 patent together with the ni uh nih i think it was uh for this new mrna vaccine that they've rolled out

01:30:26.240 uh the patent trail if that's true that seems to indicate that the vaccine rollout at least

01:30:31.840 because of it was you know the work on coronaviruses specifically in coronavirus vaccines

01:30:36.080 have been at least a decade-long research process and a patent process seems to indicate that that

01:30:41.120 kind of goes hand in glove with this and and i also know and we might differ on this and that yeah

01:30:45.600 that's fine doesn't matter i think i think i read on your website you said that you were uh

01:30:49.840 like heavily criticized because you took a and i believe in your words kind of a very conventional

01:30:54.240 view on the on the coveted vaccines but to me at least it seems that the rollout of that is ties

01:31:00.560 directly in with it and and that we have another layer now maybe again maybe that's coincidental maybe

01:31:06.800 there's an another agenda on top of one so it's never you know maybe a single you know timeline a

01:31:12.480 single trail like that but it looks like um the vaccine rollout has been specifically targeted

01:31:18.240 towards the the the west specifically i'm not i'm not too sure about the sinovacs that they have and

01:31:24.000 and i believe it's mrna but uh their success i i don't think the chinese are not using mnr oh they're

01:31:29.200 not okay that's interesting one reason they don't have to is they stamped out the virus so in other words

01:31:34.320 you know it's not something they have to control desperately it's basically that you know something

01:31:39.360 they're trying to immunize their people so they're using more conventional vaccines most other

01:31:43.360 countries around i think around the world i i think the russians are mostly using conventional

01:31:47.360 vaccines also it's really america and the west that are using these new mnr m uh n m nr a vaccine yeah

01:31:58.960 at least i think the conventional story in the sort of media narrative is that these companies a few of

01:32:05.200 these biotechnology companies have been working on these new types of vaccines for a number of

01:32:10.160 years developing them so that in effect if a virus came along they would have a vaccine that they could

01:32:16.560 use very very quickly while the normal process of you know having all the tests and everything like

01:32:22.960 that run for the virus so i i think the conventional story is that once they had the genetic blueprint of

01:32:30.320 the covert virus in other words once the chinese released it into the international database i think

01:32:36.000 like the first day of january the second day of january they were then able to take that genetic

01:32:41.200 blueprint add it to their mnr mnr a base and then in a very short period of time have a vaccine that they

01:32:49.280 could distribute very widely so you know they were certainly working on this type of vaccine for many

01:32:54.480 years but i don't think there's any evidence that they were working on the covid virus but they could

01:33:00.320 sort of in effect it's a question of having a sort of vehicle that they can use for any given viral

01:33:07.200 vaccine simply dump in the genetic structure of the particular vaccine that they need and then

01:33:13.920 distribute it using the same base so i i don't think that there's any evidence of a patent on the virus

01:33:21.040 itself as opposed to a patent on the delivery vehicle which is the virus the vaccine that they're

01:33:27.120 now using in most of the united states and much of the west yes it says here the sinovacs uh sinovacs

01:33:33.520 vaccine is a vaccine that uses an inactive right so it's a vector uh form of the covid 19 virus instead

01:33:40.000 of the mrna technology that pfizer and moderna use right and again i'm heavily skeptic of of the mrna

01:33:46.160 technology and the rollout and it's very uncertain and i think that's part of i think it's tremendously

01:33:51.520 detrimental uh in terms of what they're doing here and and the path that they're going down with this

01:33:55.520 way of of uh well listen it's a new technology really in terms of how to deal with medicine and

01:34:01.600 targeting and so forth i mean a lot of these companies now from pfizer to moderna they're talking

01:34:05.680 about you know if you have any issue we'll just go in and genetically you know fix that for you fix that

01:34:10.240 for you basically and i just don't trust that i think there's not enough studies i i i this does

01:34:15.760 no it does not look good at all right but do you see the let's talk about the operation warp speed

01:34:20.400 then right because that was under the trump administration they rolled that out and and again

01:34:25.040 at least we were told that it's like oh this is a miracle it's just six months in the process and

01:34:29.520 that's it kind of thing but again the patent trail if that's true seems to indicate that that's not

01:34:33.440 the case the reason why partially they could um you know produce something like this at this speed

01:34:39.520 was due to the fact that they had been working on this for such a long time before right um so at

01:34:45.600 least there it seems to be that the military came in and they ran this operation as a military operation

01:34:51.680 do you think personally that the vaccine rollout ties into the the the covid the virus and and that

01:34:58.400 that's like a continuation of this bio warfare program or how do you view that i tend to doubt that

01:35:03.280 in other words it's certainly possible but i've seen no evidence of it in other words it's certainly

01:35:07.360 true that these companies had been spending many years developing this new vaccine technology

01:35:14.320 spending a lot of money on it and really it had no use at all until suddenly this massive epidemic

01:35:19.600 appeared and they could persuade the government to fund them enormous amounts of money were given to

01:35:26.240 all these companies to produce a vaccine in record time because of the desperate need of the united

01:35:31.600 states and the other western european countries so i've seen no evidence that these companies would

01:35:39.440 have had any connection with the bio warfare attack i'm talking about again it's a question of taking

01:35:44.800 advantage of a tremendous opportunity a tremendous crisis using that to persuade the government to

01:35:51.360 devote hundreds of billions of dollars to rolling out these vaccines in very quick time and also for

01:35:57.040 example bailing out all these financial terms firms you know lowering interest rates down to zero

01:36:03.600 boosting wall street i mean all of those individuals all those groups have certainly benefited from the

01:36:08.720 crisis but i tend to be skeptical whether they were involved in creating the crisis by supporting the

01:36:15.760 bio warfare attack against china the other thing i should say also is that you know these vaccines despite

01:36:22.480 all the original propaganda about them they really turned out to be much less effective by anybody's

01:36:27.680 standards than had originally been promised in other words most of these vaccines seem to be fairly

01:36:33.360 useless in preventing people from becoming infected and preventing them then from transmitting the disease to other

01:36:40.160 people what they do seem to work very well at is preventing people then from suffering severe

01:36:46.160 cases of illness or dying so in other words the evidence i've seen is that they don't deal they don't

01:36:51.840 effectively deal with infection or transmission but they do probably lower the risk of dying by a very

01:36:57.840 large amount like maybe 90 percent or 95 percent especially for older people or people with health

01:37:03.360 conditions and so for that reason many of these efforts to force people to be vaccinated don't seem

01:37:10.480 to really make any sense to me because in other words you're having a situation where you're gaining no communal

01:37:16.240 benefits by getting everybody vaccinated since they can still become infected and can still

01:37:21.440 transmit the virus to other people it's more that they themselves are less likely to become ill or you

01:37:27.760 know die from it and it you know when you're talking about a very untested virus an untested vaccine

01:37:35.040 something that was developed using a radical new technology i i think it's perfectly reasonable to give

01:37:40.560 most people the choice of either going with the risk of this untested vaccine or facing the risk of a

01:37:47.760 much more severe health consequence if they do become infected and so you know i i really think most of

01:37:53.760 these mandates are also probably counterproductive because when you have a lot of people who've become

01:37:58.160 very suspicious of the government for all sorts of reasons and you have the government then forcing

01:38:03.680 people or pressuring people to be vaccinated using this radical new technology i think you see now

01:38:11.280 exactly this sort of almost paranoid reaction among a number of people more you know we have right now

01:38:17.040 exactly so we really have 20 or 30 percent of the american population that has now moved into what

01:38:22.960 might be called the orbit of the anti-vaccine movement which probably two or three years ago would

01:38:27.760 have been a fraction of one percent of the population and i i see really no reason for that especially when

01:38:32.640 you're talking about vaccinating young children all the evidence seems to be young children are almost

01:38:37.760 immune to the impact of covet now it could be that there are aspects of covet we don't know about

01:38:43.120 and it could be in the long run they really would it would make sense to vaccinate young children but

01:38:48.000 there's no rush for it and you know with the vaccines themselves possibly being dangerous in other

01:38:53.360 ways it seems to be a trade-off that people should make their own decision on rather than having these

01:38:58.560 efforts to try to vaccinate everybody oh it's a it's a hysterical rollout in a way we've never

01:39:03.840 seen it before the course of the manipulation the propaganda the buying of the so-called influencers

01:39:10.800 online to push it into you know smaller circles and so forth i've never seen such a uh well it's a

01:39:17.920 you know a coercive agenda essentially but push so hard right but and we can certainly talk more about

01:39:22.800 that but back to the point you mentioned up that this being also you know a financial like that

01:39:26.480 that's a uh and of course you know we do have things like you know the the great reset and these

01:39:31.040 are things that overlaps very nicely for the global elite uh into this as well it's a great opportunity

01:39:36.240 you can do you know can push all these policies you can enforce things that you uh that before you

01:39:40.800 didn't want to do and and so forth but just the amount of just this thing alone with people who have

01:39:47.760 small businesses were forced to to close and they were considered to be non-essential while again

01:39:52.960 the big box stores and all the big chains were they were allowed to remain open it's so obvious

01:39:58.320 right and here's just a couple of samples but um world's 10 richest men that doubled their wealth

01:40:04.720 during the pandemic right we've got some pictures of who we're talking about that the the google people

01:40:09.360 gates uh zuckerberg buffett uh elon musk jeff bezos and so forth the uh the microsoft guy i forget

01:40:15.520 his name down there right now the short hair to us billionaires gained one trillion since the

01:40:20.240 pandemic started uh change in the wealth of us billionaires since the beginning of the pandemic

01:40:25.120 and this so this has been very beneficial uh to uh i don't even think we can call them the one percent

01:40:31.840 the zero point zero zero zero zero one percent or something maybe uh and it's clear to me that this

01:40:37.760 has uh the intention here has to be ruined it's almost like we're witnessing the controlled demolition

01:40:44.400 of our civilization but but using this virus as the excuse of saying we'll protect you from this

01:40:51.680 and again you fall back to the survival rate and as you say sure that maybe there's a long-term effect

01:40:56.400 here that we don't know about yet and etc but the point though is i think that there's been a i mean

01:41:02.960 just massive overreach uh on behalf of government and health authorities and so forth to keep up you know

01:41:09.360 we're going to keep you safe but you you have to obey you have to do what we tell you you have to take

01:41:13.840 this new uh experimental uh gene therapy essentially this new technology uh and you

01:41:19.920 can't have your uh little business open all the mom and pops i mean i don't even know what the tally

01:41:24.640 is so far how many have actually closed up and and just how much the unemployment rate have skyrocketed

01:41:30.240 but this is a big part of it i think again it doesn't it doesn't uh say that the people who've

01:41:35.200 gained financially on this are the ones responsible but this is one of the the massive side effects of this

01:41:41.280 wrong well i certainly agree in other words there are many other aspects to the crisis america is

01:41:47.200 facing that certainly should be addressed and you know you could even argue that the ultimate cause of

01:41:53.680 this epidemic the fact that it probably was an american biowarfare attack against china and iran

01:42:01.440 at this point in time some people have told me oh that doesn't matter as much in other words it's

01:42:05.760 much less important than the case of for example the vaccines than the case of all the disruption to

01:42:11.680 our society all of these control issues and you know you could make a case about that because i mean

01:42:16.480 obviously what's done is done but when you're talking about a disaster of this magnitude probably

01:42:23.600 caused by america's existing biowarfare program which had been around for 70 years which had received

01:42:30.960 a hundred billion dollars in funding and also a disaster that was an unintentional disaster it

01:42:36.560 illustrates the tremendous danger of these weapons and why they really should be controlled in other

01:42:42.160 words it's one thing if america were to get into a war with china or russia in a knowing way as we

01:42:48.480 right now are you know in a situation with taiwan or with ukraine but when you have basically

01:42:54.800 self-replicating biological entities that can be released in one country leak back over the border

01:43:02.320 and totally destroy all these other countries in the world i mean really shows why they have to be

01:43:07.200 controlled and you know if we're talking about a virus like this that inflicted this sort of damage

01:43:14.160 i mean it really raises the question of what other viruses are in the biowarfare capabilities of the

01:43:19.600 united states or other countries around the world and why something like this has to be controlled

01:43:24.080 i mean in other words it seems to me when you're talking about a crisis of this magnitude it really

01:43:28.480 is useful to ask why it happened even if the impact right now is much through the secondary issues of

01:43:36.240 you know the economic changes the social changes the technological changes the vaccines things like

01:43:41.920 that and you know it really i mean it's a very negative statement about the american media also

01:43:48.960 yeah if they've been so unwilling to look at all the obvious evidence that traces the incident back

01:43:55.120 to the united states and our biowarfare facilities and again i mean this is yeah this is an interesting

01:44:02.960 conversation here because it doesn't matter what laws are passed or what conventions you know are the

01:44:10.080 nations sign and so forth and i'm showing a screenshot here of the biological weapons convention uh the different

01:44:15.440 signatories and state parties right and it's 183 state parties including palestine and four signatories

01:44:21.440 blah blah they're included in this but the point is when you have a whether it's a small rogue element

01:44:27.440 within uh you know a military or something doing something like this you you know the the point is

01:44:32.960 you can have pass any laws you want these are people that would they're breaking those laws right and

01:44:37.600 again i think now as well this is actually a lesson now if it's true that the picture you've painted here

01:44:43.040 let's assume that that is the the the you know the correct version that's the truth that's what

01:44:46.720 happened and so forth um that gives us a warning about where we're going in the future because as

01:44:53.440 new technologies as new gene uh editing and sequencing and as it becomes available we are looking at a

01:45:00.960 situation where a very small handful of people can can i mean eradicate billions of people potentially

01:45:07.680 with these programs uh as they continue to edit and they continue to do gain a function research

01:45:13.200 making it more transmissible to humans they're making it more deadly now you have a kind of as far

01:45:18.240 as i understand that situation a trade-off if you will that the more the deadlier a pathogen is a virus

01:45:24.960 the less likely it is to spread because usually you die before you can spread it to others right

01:45:28.640 that's what part of why the ibola virus and marburg and so forth haven't like you know they end up dying

01:45:34.880 essentially before they can infect others it would be again maybe here's where gene editing would come

01:45:39.360 in wrong that they actually managed to genetically alter an existing virus to such a degree like the

01:45:44.640 evil or marburg that uh you have asymptomatic spread or something that people actually carry it then they

01:45:50.480 have it for week or weeks or months on end before they start showing symptoms and that would actually

01:45:54.960 be a catastrophic you know deadly event so what what do we do about something maybe this isn't what you've

01:46:00.640 been thinking about but you know i want to ask you anyway but what do we do about these

01:46:04.560 kinds of programs there has to be some we shouldn't be experimenting on it at all to begin with

01:46:09.600 right what do you think i think at the very least you know if the scenario i'm painting is correct

01:46:15.600 it illustrates the tremendously dangerous nature of bio warfare programs and why you know it really is

01:46:22.960 a foolish idea for countries to even develop them as a possible use because i mean you know if you use it

01:46:30.320 basically can even under the best of circumstances it can spread back and destroy your own country

01:46:36.080 the other thing also i think this raises is the question of like our media because so much of what

01:46:41.840 we know about all these issues comes through the filter of the media and to the extent that the media

01:46:47.040 has totally ignored all of this evidence all of these important issues if it really does become clear that

01:46:53.840 these facts are as strong as i think they probably are it really would you know raise all sorts of

01:47:02.640 issues of all the other things the media is covering up and you know the media is basically the way we

01:47:08.160 know about the outside world and if the media could cover up something of this tremendous magnitude

01:47:14.800 that has probably killed 20 million people around the world already you know it really shows that

01:47:20.960 the media should you know be viewed in a very different light and so you know i think probably

01:47:26.480 the impact it's a little bit like for example the chernobyl disaster it only killed i think a relatively

01:47:32.160 small number of people in uh in ukraine but you know it contaminated parts of europe it was a disaster

01:47:39.040 for and you know it basically changed people's views of the nature of nuclear uh nuclear uh

01:47:46.320 reactors and that they should be treated very differently same thing with the fukushima disaster

01:47:50.560 yeah you know where the reactor almost went critical if a release of a bioweapon developed by the american

01:47:58.160 government unintentionally at the top of the american government has caused you know this devastation in our

01:48:04.240 own country and that of all of our allies as well as the rest of the world i mean it really shows that

01:48:10.320 richard nixon was entirely right back in i think it was 1970 or 1971 when he signed the treaty outlawing

01:48:17.680 bioweapon development which then we repudiated after the fall of the soviet union and the point

01:48:24.640 though here too is that but that might not help we're now approaching the level of technology where

01:48:29.680 allegedly and i remember reading the articles i'm looking for them there's a couple couple i'm pulling up

01:48:33.840 here but like basically with very simple methods there are now dedicated parties that can develop

01:48:38.880 these things in in their in their kitchen in their basement if you will we're not quite there yet but

01:48:44.240 that's where the technology is is taking and leading us which means that if you have a handful of very

01:48:49.840 dedicated people uh they could uh cause tremendous damage and and at least at this point there really

01:48:55.520 isn't any way to protect yourself against that unfortunately and i'm not saying i'm arguing for this or

01:49:00.000 whatever but it would be like yeah if you had a ubiquitous surveillance at all time or something

01:49:04.720 that would you know that's something and i'm sure that's will be used as an excuse to to bring in you

01:49:08.800 know a ubiquitous big brother state as well and we're already kind of approaching that but and again

01:49:14.080 the coronavirus have been used in that capacity uh you know with all the the tracing apps for example

01:49:19.040 on people's phones right then the next step here is vaccine passports and then that will be tied to

01:49:24.640 your social credit score and if you don't essentially if you're a dissident which of course you're very

01:49:30.400 very aware of how many people these days are targeted just for their opinions if you don't

01:49:34.640 buy down bow down to new health measures for example you won't be able to uh enter a certain

01:49:39.360 establishment you might not even in the future be able to enter a grocery store unless you've been

01:49:43.360 vaccinated with i think today actually uh austria passed their law where they're beginning to

01:49:47.920 criminalize uh the purebloods the vaccine those have chosen to be vaccine free uh and i believe

01:49:53.760 it's going to start with a fine if you don't comply but eventually that will lead to uh prison time

01:50:00.080 that's insane to me but that's where things are going oh i i agree with you i mean there are

01:50:04.400 awful lot of other issues associated with this that we'll have to face moving forward but it seems

01:50:10.560 to me at the very least i mean these gain-of-function experiments and so many billions of dollars that

01:50:17.040 america has spent developing these dangerous viruses developing these viral weapons over the last 20

01:50:23.200 or 30 years ended up being a total disaster for our own country and for our allies so you know it

01:50:29.120 seems to me it would be very reasonable to have a global agreement cracking down on developing any

01:50:36.560 bioweapons along these lines whether you know allegedly for defensive or offensive purposes

01:50:42.480 and you know other than that i mean to the extent that the technologies continue to develop to the point

01:50:47.760 where small groups of people could produce these deadly illnesses and release them on the world

01:50:54.400 i don't really have any particular answers to that i know it's very it's very hard it's incredibly hard

01:50:58.880 we're entering into a new uh brave new world you know to use that analogy uh and it's very dangerous

01:51:04.560 technology overall is is heading in a direction where we're not quite we're not quite a you know sure

01:51:09.840 what where this will take us it's moving so fast that we i mean if you look back genetically and you know how we

01:51:15.520 developed and so forth we we haven't i mean we have never had things move this fast around us and

01:51:21.760 usually it takes a long time for us to adapt to new you know environments at least for the most part i

01:51:26.480 think adapt to new environments and new circumstances and uh now i think we're living in a completely uh

01:51:32.560 new world and a lot of people consequently can't deal with that just look at social media the impact

01:51:37.040 that's having the depression rates and uh the addiction now that people are getting to their digital

01:51:41.920 devices and things right so that's just uh that's part of it um but what else do you think we should

01:51:47.280 mention here and and again i i think um you know there's a lot more we could talk about you know

01:51:51.840 when it comes to the vaccine rollout but i i i know as well you know it's not kind of you you know in

01:51:55.920 a way your your wheelhouse you haven't really focused that much on that aspect you've been looking at as

01:51:59.920 you said and this is what you cover on the website and i encourage people to go there and look at the

01:52:03.680 articles that you've written about this and and i guess they're all kind of um housed under the american

01:52:07.760 pravda series is that where people can go to find them yeah there's actually a section dealing with

01:52:12.720 bio warfare or the covet outbreak focused on exactly these articles and you know it's just

01:52:17.680 i've been writing it now since uh basically april 2020 about uh it's probably about 80 000 words it's

01:52:23.600 been viewed a few hundred thousand times over the internet and it it seems to me the key thing is

01:52:30.320 simply once some of these issues you know in terms of the secret american government report

01:52:36.080 in terms of the fact that iran specifically accused america of launching a bio warfare attack against

01:52:42.080 it after it suddenly became the center of the covert outbreak right after wuhan china

01:52:47.280 once those facts get out there i think it would become very difficult for the media to cover them

01:52:52.640 up and to ignore them and it seems to me if a million americans have died over what was probably

01:52:59.520 a reckless rogue operation by elements of the american government i think the american

01:53:05.440 people deserve to know that and if it was a consequence of the hundred billion dollars america

01:53:10.800 had spent over 50 or 60 years developing these deadly bio warfare weapons then i i think the american

01:53:18.240 people should know that as well and the only way you can solve a problem is to know at least what was

01:53:24.640 behind it and you know the evidence i think is so strong that you know one reason i think the media

01:53:30.800 doesn't cover it is because simply putting these facts out there would i think convince an awful

01:53:35.280 lot of people that that's probably exactly what happened yeah precisely um do you think that we will

01:53:42.640 get some accountability this is very hard to know this is in predicting prediction territory which is

01:53:46.880 always very hard but um it stands to reason that there would be enough interest but also when we do

01:53:53.840 have investigations uh we don't always get sincere ones obviously we get we get false ones we get

01:53:59.920 politically motivated motivated motivated ones and so forth and it seems even harder these days to

01:54:05.280 everything is almost immediately drawn up along you know partisan lines uh and then you kind of pick

01:54:11.600 one or the other side and and and again then you lose that kind of objectivity that would be necessary

01:54:16.560 in a situation like this to actually get to the root of something but do you think we'll get accountability

01:54:20.960 what do you think is next here i mean do you think this will just keep circulating and and mutating or

01:54:26.560 will we control it at some point what would you what's your sense of hard to say i mean i'm not an

01:54:30.960 expert in microbiology so in other words the fact that it looks like the omicron uh version that's now

01:54:36.960 going around is both extremely infectious and also relatively mild so one of the key questions is once

01:54:43.920 people become infected with omicron are they then immune and for how long to all the other much more

01:54:50.480 dangerous versions of the virus and will there be another uh another version of the virus that might

01:54:55.600 come out in the future and i really don't have any particular ideas on that but you know the question

01:55:00.720 of whether the facts of what happened they cover it up i mean it seems to me very difficult i mean

01:55:06.640 we're talking about something that you know it's been less than two years since the outbreak of the

01:55:10.320 virus the first couple of books have now come out arguing about the origins of the virus covered in

01:55:16.640 the wall street journal covered in other sources i think once people start looking into it and

01:55:22.160 digging into it a lot of the facts i've mentioned will become much more widely known and you know

01:55:28.000 it's very difficult to bottle them up afterwards so i think probably in a relatively short period of

01:55:33.840 time the truth will start to come out do you think there could be retaliatory measures taken let's

01:55:40.560 assume that china did figure this out or maybe they already you know i mean the accusations were there and

01:55:45.040 they've said this now so uh but i'm saying definitively and they find maybe they don't know the who

01:55:50.560 yet but they know that it was done to them they have enough evidence of that sure uh retaliation and

01:55:55.840 i mean again it would also maybe embolden even the people that releases from from the beginning and

01:56:00.720 say let's uh do another one in iran and let's do it even deadlier this time or something well i mean

01:56:05.840 again under my reconstruction it ended up being a unintentional blowback scenario and an utter disaster

01:56:12.640 from the point of view of the small handful of people in the american government who launched

01:56:16.480 the attack china survived almost unscathed america was devastated america's allies were devastated a

01:56:23.680 million americans died so you know first of all there would be no way for the chinese to prove what

01:56:29.440 happened in other words they could strongly suspect what happened using exactly the same sort of

01:56:34.640 reasoning that i've pointed out you know these facts but they wouldn't have proof they also wouldn't

01:56:39.440 have proof on who was involved america would obviously be the most likely suspect but simply

01:56:44.480 one suspect but stepping back a little bit i mean i from the beginning i thought it very unlikely

01:56:50.960 that the chinese would retaliate in any way because basically they escaped with only a few thousand

01:56:56.880 dead they reacted very quickly their economy and society suffered very little damage at all while

01:57:02.640 america was devastated i mean basically large fraction of the american population ended up spending almost

01:57:09.120 two years two years in effect locked down i mean our society has been tremendously disrupted

01:57:14.400 and a million americans died so you know it's the sort of thing the analogy would be if you're

01:57:20.080 if you basically launch an arson attack against your next door neighbor that you're feuding with

01:57:25.600 he puts out the fire his home escapes almost unscathed but the friar spreads back to your own home

01:57:32.000 and burns it to the ground i mean you know the idea of him retaliate against you probably wouldn't

01:57:37.360 make much sense so you know right now we're obviously in a confrontation with china we're in

01:57:41.520 a confrontation with russia but the confrontation is over taiwan and ukraine rather than their

01:57:47.920 suspicions that we'd attack them with a bio warfare technology and i think basically what probably would

01:57:54.320 happen if word got out is there might finally be i guess what might be called the fall of the american

01:58:01.280 regime in other words when if people started believing that a million americans had died

01:58:07.600 that our country had been locked down for two years because it had been unbelievably reckless

01:58:13.680 bio warfare attack against another country by members near the top of the american government

01:58:19.840 that might be finally something that would be able to wake up the american people and make them

01:58:24.720 realize that we have to change the way we were running things yeah we have the beijing beijing

01:58:31.040 olympics coming up here now too i forget when the starting date is but i do know that they've been

01:58:35.760 very hard again there's some areas where they're supposedly locking down again in china right this is

01:58:40.080 because this is what we've gotten i remember back in september it was like oh denmark and norway

01:58:44.240 they're opening up again they're freeing up and then literally four three to four weeks later

01:58:48.720 no that's back we're back in lockdown right so it's the it's this extremely demoralizing aspect

01:58:54.960 to the population which again i personally think that's quite intentional uh but sweden was one of

01:58:59.760 the latest countries now as well uh to release uh the restrictions they did say though there's a caveat

01:59:05.920 to that where some people that are not vaccinated there's some specific precaution around them that

01:59:11.440 needs to be taken so we'll see what that remains to be uh because they're kind of this two-tier society

01:59:15.840 that's developing but let's assume that they do release it now or release the restrictions i mean

01:59:21.040 then you would just it's anything could happen tomorrow and where they say oh here's a new

01:59:27.280 variant and now it's even deadlier or something and then you know it's back into lockdown and this

01:59:32.640 will just be like a never-ending cycle that just drains people uh morale completely oh i i agree with

01:59:38.640 you i mean in other words the way to think about is what the west now has experienced is probably

01:59:44.400 exactly what the group of hypothetical conspirators i'm talking about had expected would happen in

01:59:50.160 china i mean they would have expected tremendous social disruption large numbers of deaths devastation

01:59:56.400 to the economy and you know possibly the fall of the regime and if it were basically the unintentional

02:00:02.560 blowback of the american government elements of the american national security establishment

02:00:08.240 that inflicted this gigantic disaster in american society i think we really would see the fall of

02:00:14.640 the american regime and given the things that have been going on over the last 15 or 20 years

02:00:20.480 especially since september 11th i think that really would be a very necessary step for us to take

02:00:27.520 yes uh i agree well this is certainly interesting is a different take on things than we've been

02:00:31.600 discussing and of course that's what what i appreciate i like hearing different different views and

02:00:34.960 different takes on this uh there certainly are there are a lot of them and different takes out there

02:00:40.000 as well but uh again for people that want to check out your material on this the uh american

02:00:44.560 pravda series and of course on that page you have a link uh directly to this just search for or look

02:00:49.520 for major by sorry major covet slash biowarfare articles and there you have a little bit further

02:00:54.880 down the page all the main articles that you've written in the series as well and some of it i want

02:00:58.880 to go through more in detail myself we're gonna we're gonna wrap up here shortly i'm gonna let you go

02:01:02.880 uh but this is certainly a discussion that could continue uh and uh you know i'd love to have you

02:01:08.080 back again at some point in the future but there's other incidents of this that would be

02:01:11.520 interested in in uh talking about and and testing the theories so to speak but no ron i appreciate your

02:01:16.480 time it's it's good to have you thank you for for reaching out i'm wanting to uh talk about that

02:01:20.320 just tell us a bit more about ans review how people can if they can support your work in some

02:01:24.240 way and and what you uh what you have coming up on the website and so forth sure well i mean we're

02:01:28.560 basically a an alternative media webzine we syndicate a number of writers from the left from

02:01:33.920 the right libertarian other perspectives we have a number of uh writers who are basically on our staff

02:01:40.160 bloggers or columnists who write for us and you know i've also written quite a lot of stuff myself

02:01:45.520 which as i said the american providence series is the most comprehensive thing that i've put together

02:01:50.320 it's about probably by now three or four dozen articles focused on issues of what might be called

02:01:56.960 conspiracy theories the second world war the first world war more recent developments in the country

02:02:04.160 it's basically grouped into a number of different areas with the central theme and that's the reason

02:02:09.280 it's called american pravda being that so much of what we're informed by our media by the mainstream

02:02:15.600 history textbooks is really untrue and the only way we can cope with the things in our world is if we

02:02:24.000 focus on what really happened then and what's really happening today and deal with it that way

02:02:29.440 rather than deal with the phantoms that are projected by media outlets or by history textbooks

02:02:35.760 and that sort of thing and obviously when we're talking about something like this right now the

02:02:39.760 covet outbreak you know with as many as 20 million people having died around the world devastation and

02:02:45.360 disruption in the united states an event of this magnitude to the extent that the media and even much of the

02:02:52.400 alternative media i feel has been avoiding the obvious issue of what probably happened or at least

02:02:58.080 might have happened that seems to be something that has to be reversed before we can hope to even

02:03:04.560 address any of these other issues so you know it's basically the way to look at it is if you stop

02:03:10.560 really believing what you read in the textbooks and if you stop believing what you read in the daily newspapers

02:03:15.840 of the mainstream media it's important to start trying to form a coherent perspective of what

02:03:21.520 really happened at different points in time and major events and that's what i've tried to do myself

02:03:26.640 and what a lot of the writers on the website do so you know it's the sort of thing we publish probably

02:03:31.360 about um probably maybe 15 or 20 blog posts a day uh columns and blog posts a day we have a number of

02:03:38.720 writers we have a tremendously large archive system and in fact as i mentioned i think i'd spent the early

02:03:45.120 2000s building a huge archiving system containing the complete archives of many of the leading

02:03:52.480 periodicals and opinion magazines in america for the last 150 years and people can dig through those

02:03:59.200 to find out what they viewed of the world back when it was happening rather than what the history textbooks

02:04:04.800 now say so i mean it's basically a website designed to sort of prevent present all these alternative

02:04:11.840 ideas to people and let people decide for themselves no i appreciate it i think there's some great

02:04:16.240 uh columnist uh that you uh that you call their home on answer review there's a lot of a great range

02:04:22.400 true as i said in the opening true diversity actually of of thought and opinion we don't have

02:04:28.000 that to use the actually the positive aspects of that word but no but it's it's uh it's very good

02:04:32.240 uh a big big range i i'm sure most of our audience is familiar with it but if not uh check it out it's

02:04:37.760 uns.com the uh the answer review thank you ron i appreciate your time and your perspective today

02:04:42.720 and as i said i'd love to have you back and maybe we can go into some other avenues next time there's

02:04:46.400 certainly a lot of other things we could uh talk about here today but i appreciate your time hey

02:04:50.480 great to be here all right excellent thank you ron appreciate it all right there we go we're going to

02:04:54.800 wrap up right there thank you uh ron for joining us i appreciate that uh what we'll do is we'll uh just

02:05:00.240 say bye to you guys and uh i think that uh yeah it's going to be very interesting to um to i want

02:05:06.480 to read some more of uh of ron's uh stuff as well some of his other articles i've gone through some

02:05:11.120 of it but not all of it um and again it's these are these are good to uh get a different take on

02:05:15.920 some of this we've i think he's largely correct in the sense we've been stuck between two different

02:05:19.600 versions of this right we have two different uh strains essentially that we've been allowed to

02:05:25.040 discuss there's a uh maybe you know three four or five different takes out there different you

02:05:30.320 know aspects of what actually is going on uh and i think ron at least represents one of those as

02:05:35.440 opposed to just the uh the the two that we get back and forth between the i mean to boil it down

02:05:40.640 it's it's the it's the progressive left in the mainstream media that has one version granted it

02:05:45.760 keeps shifting uh and then you have kind of the kind of the conservative kind of in a way at least

02:05:52.320 from the american perspective kind of the pro-trump that that faction that's uh you know that they're

02:05:57.360 the lab leak theory it's all china you know kind of thing uh and i think you're wrong people right

02:06:01.760 there that we're like you know stuck between that and not looking you know kind of for a third way if

02:06:05.920 you if you will um okay so guys i appreciate you joining us today uh so it was good to have you here

02:06:12.960 we're going to wrap up there we're going to be back uh tomorrow with flashback friday let me check uh

02:06:16.880 let me check um uh odyssey real quick here and it's hard sometimes when you uh interview it's

02:06:22.240 harder to keep an eye on the chat i do uh i do admit uh because you're thinking of the next question

02:06:26.720 let me check um odyssey real quick and then do um uh entropy as well we have what do we have uh

02:06:32.880 vegan videos over on entropy says uh uh sorry i don't think this is heading in the right direction

02:06:37.280 i'm no longer hearing anything about the virus not existing at all uh and i haven't uh haven't

02:06:42.640 once heard the j word yeah they i mean it's clear that uh ron wouldn't be i guess effective

02:06:50.000 in a discussion whether it exists or not i think it's better to just bring uh someone on and i know

02:06:54.400 i've said it uh this could be a good follow-up i guess since we've had ron anson talking about this

02:06:59.280 um i do either kaufman i think would be good but i also would like to get um uh cowen on is it tom

02:07:06.080 cowen thomas cowen he's done some really interesting work and i know that they both um collaborate and

02:07:11.360 stuff like that so maybe both of them would come on uh but uh no i agree but that's something we

02:07:15.760 definitely need to uh to cover and bring on as well and that door is wide open for me i haven't

02:07:21.920 closed my you know uh door on any any of these theories uh that's that's just how it goes thank

02:07:28.320 you vegan videos i appreciate it uh but yeah maybe um i don't even sure if there would be a

02:07:34.720 a debate would be good i think it's better uh what i saw with um andrew andrew kaufman debating

02:07:41.200 um what was her name again the plandemic uh gal i forget her name maybe chat has it

02:07:47.600 that was a that was a good uh uh you know kind of discussion because she's like you know in that

02:07:53.360 in that sphere in terms of like biochemistry and stuff like that right so so that would be a good

02:07:58.640 discussion right uh not sure if ron ans would be strong in in uh debating someone like andrew kaufman

02:08:03.920 or something like that but anyway um night train over and i think this might actually been from

02:08:09.360 to from yesterday i apologize for missing that over on uh odyssey uh but real quick here before

02:08:13.680 we round off night train 88 said non-vax kept my job uh my heel to die on has been claimed no more

02:08:19.600 brother war i love you guys morale and passive measure of resistance uh keep keys keep yours up

02:08:25.840 and be proud proudly european and we shall never be defeated love and uh love sorry love long live

02:08:32.720 i think you should say i think it was already corrected that uh long live our people and our

02:08:35.360 future thank you uh nitrogen i appreciate that uh i do apologize for missing that yesterday but yeah

02:08:40.880 guys so we'll be back tomorrow uh with flashback friday we're gonna have uh raging dissident uh as a

02:08:46.320 guest host tomorrow i'm still looking at trying to get a second guy on from canada as well i need to

02:08:51.520 reach out to him uh here today right away and see if he can come on um he was in autobuy he's taken

02:08:56.640 some of the videos there and i know things are unfolding today so it's been hard to uh to cover

02:09:00.720 this because of our interview with ron today but uh apparently latest is that the canadian uh the rcmp

02:09:06.960 is basically uh sending in reinforcement now especially at the blockade in uh cuts in in alberta

02:09:13.360 and they're going to you know they've been blocking the the uh border right there between uh montana

02:09:18.160 and alberta the us and canada uh and they're sending in reinforcement and as i kind of you

02:09:23.040 know talked about yesterday i think they're going to do a massive overreach but it remains to be seen

02:09:27.840 i think it's going to be cracked uh that's going to reveal itself rather uh over maybe maybe it has

02:09:32.640 today already by the you know during while we've done this interview uh but definitely by tomorrow

02:09:36.800 we'll have some more answers in terms of what their next move is going to be um because they're not

02:09:42.320 going to let this go the cops are basically declared like that that's it we're we're done this is

02:09:46.160 illegal so we're going to kind of clamp down on this um so it could turn ugly really really fast

02:09:50.800 so i think tomorrow will be a good day to follow up on uh on the situation in canada uh but otherwise

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Red Ice TV - February 03, 2022

Covid： An American Biowarfare Attack - Ron Unz

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