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00:00:48.380Today, we have a special guest for you guys. John Waters, author and journalist from Ireland, is joining us today to talk about the general situation when it comes to the COVID takeover.
00:00:59.280I have his sub stack up here to my right. We can check out some of the articles later on there.
00:01:04.560He's covered a lot of interesting things when it comes to what has happened over the last couple of 15 to 18 months or so since this plandemic started.
00:01:15.160The case-demic. Now, there's a lot of twists and turns to this and we've talked about this, of course, over the last few months because it seems that when the vaccine was introduced, we've seen a lot more variants pop up.
00:01:25.580We've seen actually more people becoming ill, unlike what we saw back in 2020 when there's actually most of this seems to be generated by the media.
00:01:34.220This seems to be a case-demic. It was run by fault, the RT-PCR test for the most part.
00:01:39.440And now, as we go into the autumn and winter here in 2021, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens, and I think due to the vaccine.
00:01:48.360And, you know, this is something I'm going to talk with John about as well.
00:01:51.760But, John, thank you so much for coming on. It's a pleasure having you here. How are you today?
00:01:56.120So much, Henrik. Pleasure to be with you.
00:01:58.980The same, the same. So tell us a little bit about, you're, of course, a popular journalist.
00:02:03.220You've been writing for many years. I think you started with the culture and music and these kinds of things, right, when you began writing?
00:02:10.380I started in rock and roll as a music journalist with Hot Press, which is the Irish, the main Irish music paper, back in the long time ago now, the early 80s.
00:02:21.200And I spent a few years with them, and then I moved into the mainstream, and I was a columnist with the Irish Times, which is, I suppose, the leading quality newspaper, or was at that point, in Ireland.
00:02:35.100And I was a columnist with them for 20-odd years, 24 years, I think, or something like that.
00:02:41.120And for the last five or six years, I stopped being a journalist then, pretty much, at least an inclination, because I kind of had decided that it had become a really disgraceful profession already, you know, even before this COVID episode.
00:02:57.240It seemed to me that it was so relevant with ideology and poisonous, kind of toxic, you know, agendas, that I didn't really think it was any more the profession I joined.
00:03:11.260And it wasn't about exploring the world and exploring ideas.
00:03:15.500It was about really promoting certain views of the world and imposing them on its readers or, you know, audiences.
00:03:21.260And so I kind of, after that, I mean, I sort of said to my wife several times, you know, and I've said this publicly, that, you know, when I die, if any of my obituaries use the word journalist, she's to request a clarification and a correction the following day.
00:03:36.780You know, absolutely, you know, he denied, he recanted this profession.
00:03:41.520But I do, I have been writing in recent years.
00:03:45.120I wrote for a few years for First Things, the American Religious Affairs magazine, which is, I think, a great magazine.
00:03:52.080And I was writing up for them up to, well, I occasionally do.
00:03:55.520I've done another piece for them very recently, which is going out soon about ABBA.
00:04:48.020And so, so that's kind of where I am now.
00:04:50.520I'm, I'm, I'm still writing and I've written, I've had, I've published about 10 books and, and mainly about Ireland or, you know, questions like religion and spirituality.
00:05:00.980But not spirituality in the kind of crystals or incense sense, you know, it's different, but personal kind of, the, the, the, the structure of the human person.
00:05:10.120And they're that whole dimension of the human person.
00:05:13.520And, but most of my books are about Ireland, even when they're about those things.
00:05:18.480And so that's why, that's who I am pretty much.
00:05:22.760And so I'm on, on John Waters Unchained is my website and, or whatever it's called, blog site or web blog site.
00:05:48.540Who was just a, you know, he's a mail car contractor.
00:05:51.440He used to drive a mail car, which is kind of like the, the Irish equivalent of a stagecoach.
00:05:55.640And I did that myself for a couple of years as well.
00:05:58.100And I used to help him, of course, when I was a kid.
00:06:01.840And so that, that book has kind of, it's been, it's kind of been an underground success because of course,
00:06:07.860none of the bookshops would stock it properly or none of the newspapers would review it or, so it actually, by promoting it online, it actually became a bestseller.
00:06:17.480But nobody knows except people who read it.
00:06:21.800So have you been, what's happened over the last few years?
00:06:24.280Because of course, and we'll, we'll talk, you know, more about COVID in detail and we can talk about what happened, what's happening in Ireland specifically.
00:06:29.500And then we can talk about the broader world and stuff and how you view this from your perspective.
00:06:33.960You know, you have the advantage of being around longer than Ives.
00:06:37.540I think you've experienced a different type of world, one further removed from all the modernity that we're seeing now.
00:06:44.440And just the insanity of the globalism and the, well, all the forces that we're seeing that are utilizing and exploiting,
00:06:50.660essentially the COVID pandemic to, to, to, to take more control, but what, what would you.
00:06:58.280Like I often feel that I kind of, I was born sort of in the 19th century and grew up to the 20th century and now I'm in the 21st, you know,
00:07:07.040so I've kind of have a spectrum in, in the nature of the way Ireland was.
00:07:10.660And I think the way my own family situation was, which was kind of quite basic and, and old fashioned.
00:07:17.680I think I have a, a pretty broad understanding of kind of what's happened to the, to the, to Ireland in a very kind of, you know, zoom lens sense.
00:07:28.620And, and also in the world, because Ireland sort of comes to things late and then really moves very fast through them, you know?
00:07:35.580So that's part of our, our, our makeup.
00:07:39.200And so, yeah, I think I, I, I kind of have a particular ringside seat on, on modernity and it's working in a particular place and time.
00:07:50.080Because I mean, I, I've seen my country, Sweden transform.
00:07:52.960I'm in America now, but I've been here for almost 10 years.
00:07:57.120And of course, you know, in the future, I hope to go in the future, if we can travel again, I hope to, I hope to go back to, to Sweden and bring my kids and stuff, obviously.
00:08:04.940But we'll see what happens on that front.
00:08:06.240It looks like this is never going to go away.
00:08:07.660But anyway, just in, in, through my lifetime, I've seen Sweden go through this transformation as well.
00:08:13.920Of course, it's been coming, you know, multicultural.
00:09:17.780I wasn't steeped in Marxism or anything like that.
00:09:19.800But I had those kind of, I know, in a certain sense, you know, superficially, leftism seems to be, at first sight, a kind of a good, nice way of dealing with the world, you know, you know, sharing and caring and all that stuff.
00:09:33.900And it was also kind of, I think, quite close to, in a certain sense, the kind of leftism that was being peddled in was kind of, in a certain sense, quite close to Christianity in certain respects.
00:09:54.300We didn't have a divorce until the mid-90s.
00:09:57.560But there were battles going on for about a decade or so before that.
00:10:01.200And so that was kind of, you see, Ireland has a very, very good constitution, which is kind of written, was written in 1937.
00:10:08.900And it's kind of predicated on the whole idea of, you know, individual rights are very strong, natural rights are very strong, but also the rights of families and all of those things, which are more complicated organisms.
00:10:21.600And that, it seems to me, has been a big, regarded as a big impediment by those who wish to move in on our country and capture it and change it to their liking, the constitution.
00:10:34.880And essentially, there's been a series of attacks on it over the last 40 years, but aggressively so in the past decade, when we'd have three, we've had three major referendums, which have essentially taken a sledgehammer to three of the principles, natural rights, personal rights, articles of the constitution, which are 40, 41 and 42, which have to do with the right to life, the right to the family rights and the right of families to educate their children.
00:11:01.840And those things are all in regards up for grabs now.
00:11:05.120And we've had, you know, different referendums, one purporting to have to promote children's rights, which of course sounds wonderful.
00:11:12.020But in fact, once you start to think about it, and then when you think about it, I say, well, what children need rights other than the ones that they have to their parents?
00:11:19.960Because their parents are responsible for them until they're of age.
00:11:24.780And of course, the parents need to be able to exercise those rights freely in order to protect their own children, who clearly are being immature, are not in a position to, as it were, decide everything for themselves.
00:11:36.200So that was, I was involved in that referendum.
00:11:44.120It was the closest we've gotten a referendum.
00:11:45.780Then we had in 2015 so-called marriage equality, which is, you know, gay marriage, which was again taking a sledgehammer to Article 41 and basically changed the meanings of the word family, parenting and marriage.
00:12:00.120And then in 2018, we had a final abortion referendum in which abortion was passed into law.
00:12:10.160And essentially that referendum was quite extraordinary and appalling, really, because, of course, you know, the right to life being a natural right, like it was in our constitution by way of an amendment.
00:12:23.860But that's misleading to the extent that it's not that people vote in the right.
00:12:29.100They simply vote in the mention of the right.
00:12:32.260The right is supposed to exist eternally.
00:12:35.920And the very fact that they had actually inserted as amendment made it easier to vote it out or to appear to be voting it out.
00:12:42.620Of course, you can't vote a natural right out of existence, you know, theoretically and indeed morally.
00:13:40.080By the time we got to the 40s and 50s, like there was massive immigration out of Ireland.
00:13:43.900And we were hemorrhaging our best and our brightest, as it were.
00:13:48.740And then in the 60s, a new kind of thinking crept in, which is more or less to kind of bring in outside industries, foreign direct investment, which is only good as a kind of a booster rocket of your own economy, if you would be able to do it like that.
00:14:05.360But unfortunately, it became the sole instrument of our economic life.
00:14:15.520Yeah, like really lots of industries, chemical industries.
00:14:18.680And I mean, I've often written about this because people find this hard to believe.
00:14:22.660But when we were actually inviting the pharmaceutical industries to Ireland, we offered them as an incentive the right to pollute our landscape.
00:14:30.540You know, they were more like, they were told, look, Ireland's got a pristine landscape.
00:14:39.920It was called a natural endowment factor, you know, the absorbing capacity of the Irish landscape.
00:14:46.080And so that's the kind of, you know, ethics that we started this so-called modernity with.
00:14:51.780And so what happened then, you see, the next phase of that then was the financial services industry came in the late 80s, big time.
00:15:01.380There was a financial, international financial services center built in Dublin.
00:15:05.720And that was, on its own terms, very successful.
00:15:08.840And it attracted huge numbers of international banks.
00:15:11.060And then, of course, we introduced this very low corporation tax, which attracted not just the banks and all those others, but it also began to attract big tech.
00:15:20.080And that was the most fatal, that was the most deadly thing of all, because they came in.
00:15:26.420And immediately, of course, they decided that Ireland was actually quite a good place if it weren't for a certain problematic aspect.
00:15:32.040One was kind of that it had this rump of quite conservative Catholics.
00:15:36.560Number two, it had this extraordinary constitution.
00:15:38.980And, you know, that at that time we had a pretty free media.
00:15:44.520All that's gone now, you see, pretty much.
00:15:47.160And basically, we have, in a sense, you know, the pure and fundamental and natural meaning of the word fascism, which is a partnership between the government, which is no longer really democratic, and the corporations, who basically run Ireland by decree.
00:16:04.700What is, yeah, I mean, it's like a definition issue in a sense that it's like, is it the corporations running the government, or is it the government running the corporation?
00:16:14.460Now we have public-private partnership, right?
00:16:16.580This is one of these things that the people at the World Bank, Bank of International Settlements, even the World Economic Forum, they've talked about that for at least two decades, I think.
00:16:26.560And even actually the way the pandemic has played out, we've seen that because we're seeing a lot of the responsibility on the kind of things that the government want to change and impose on people is not, I mean, in some cases it is by government, but in many cases it's now by the private sector, right?
00:16:42.500Well, if you want to go into our business, you have to be vaccinated, for example, or you have to wear a mask, or you have to comply to these kinds of things.
00:16:49.700And so the government can throw up its arms and say, well, you know, it's a private corporation, they can do whatever they want.
00:16:55.640But of course, on the back end, John, we know that it's swing-door politics, revolving-door politics.
00:17:00.680People go from the government sector over to the private sector and then back again.
00:17:07.100Yeah, yeah, well, you see, Enric, like, when I was a youngster, you know, in my 20s and so on, Ireland was, you know, profoundly conservative in every conceivable sense.
00:17:20.900And that kind of, I suppose, to my shame, has irritated me then, you know, a little bit.
00:17:25.860And so, as I said, I was kind of somewhat leftish in my outlook.
00:17:30.220But it's possible to exaggerate the sleepiness and the kind of conservatism of Ireland in those years, and right up to quite recently, you know, that the main parties, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, are profoundly conservative, were initially Catholic parties in ideological terms, but not at all now, actually.
00:17:50.940And then you have other smaller, rump parties, and the system is kind of quite fluid.
00:17:58.040You have all kinds of coalitions coming and going and all that.
00:18:01.080But the interesting thing is that the parties are now, the conservative parties are now extreme leftist parties.
00:18:10.060Like, you know, in everything but kind of, I suppose, what you might call core, up to the moment, core economic policy.
00:18:23.120But these parties, which were, like, really kind of, you know, country, bumpkin, conservatives, like, they weren't ideological in any way.
00:18:32.920There was no tradition of conservatives in Ireland, which was a real problem, despite having Edmund Burke as one of our, you know, progeny.
00:18:40.820We were, you know, and so what happened then was when these ideologically run corporations came in, they started to tell the government what they would like from Ireland, what they would like Ireland to be, the kind of place they would want.
00:18:58.660So obviously you would need to have gay marriage in Ireland, and obviously you would need to have abortion.
00:19:02.300You know, these are basic services, aren't they, if you're running corporations these days.
00:19:22.940Because they're actually now quite insane.
00:19:25.520And they are now, you know, really kind of almost animalistic in their rage against Ireland as it was, or as it remains, to the extent that it remains like that.
00:19:37.540And determined to expunge any traces of the old thinking.
00:19:41.200Thinking, like, you know, we have politicians standing up in Parliament now and saying, we have to put behind this idiotic notion of sovereignty.
00:19:49.020You know, we're moving on into the modern world, you know.
00:19:52.040We have disc jockeys on radio telling people that Ireland no longer belongs to the Irish.
00:19:59.740This is the dominant kind of chord of our note of our culture now, politically speaking.
00:20:06.060And that's become quite contagious, so to speak, because it's accompanied by this culture of censorship, which is very subtle.
00:20:20.720I mean, it became very pronounced during the campaign for the gay marriage referendum, where people started kind of censoring.
00:20:28.500You could see it in – I'm talking now, I'm not talking about some kind of macro kind of analysis or theory.
00:20:35.340I'm talking about just to see the kind of demeanor of people that you would know yourself in your own community, in the cafes, in the pubs, where people started kind of when they were having conversations and anybody said something that was maybe slightly edgy from the point of view of the referendum,
00:20:53.300or maybe not that referendum, or maybe not that referendum, but another referendum, or something else related.
00:20:59.740People would start looking around each other, you know, thinking, is it okay to answer this?
00:21:05.220Or, okay, keep your voice down, you know.
00:21:08.600And actually, Joyce Merlot, the psychologist, wrote about this in one of his books, I think it was The Rape of the Mind,
00:21:16.680where he talks about that precise thing, you know, that people no longer have conversations.
00:21:22.420They simply, you know, exchange kind of niceties and, you know, polite phrases with one another.
00:21:31.500And that amounts to – but Ireland used to be a hugely garrulous and, you know, free-thinking country in the past.
00:21:38.880But that's all gone now under that influence.
00:21:41.020Because people are – because, you see, you had these kind of LGBT goons, like, rampaging through the streets and, you know,
00:21:47.040trying to cancel anybody who dared even to ask a question about what they were proposing.
00:21:53.420I admired experiences where I was, in the end, opposing the referendum on different grounds to do with, you know, the Constitution and so on.
00:22:01.160And also particularly with children's rights and the right to parenthood and so on.
00:22:04.520But, I mean, I would be, you know, doing a meeting, which had nothing to do with the referendum.
00:22:09.740And this happened several times in the course of the campaign.
00:22:12.200And I would be rung on the way – I'd get a phone call on the way from the organiser saying,
00:22:16.500listen, we've had hundreds of calls all day threatening to, you know, descend on the meeting if it goes ahead.
00:22:24.720And, you know, we'd be on to the police and they don't really want to do anything, you know.
00:22:29.120And that's – you know, we have the police force now going around with rainbow painted, you know, on the side of their cars.
00:22:36.980So, you know, if you're being attacked by an LGBT gang of goons, forget about running to the police to make complaints about it.
00:22:46.700You're seeing all this kind of stuff happening in a very short time in a country that used to be very settled and steady and, you know, set in its ways.
00:23:27.240Well, you do have a couple of big globalists over there.
00:23:30.000Peter Sutherland, of course, he died, I think, was it 2018 or something like that, right?
00:23:33.540He was – yeah, it was Fine Gael, right, that he was a member of.
00:23:37.320And then he went to go work for the UN.
00:23:39.460He became an ambassador even for migration, right, I believe.
00:23:42.500He was big in the World Economic Forum and all these kinds of things.
00:23:45.880Even Bono, like the activists of some of these rock musicians have been very, I think, instrumental in helping to transform Ireland.
00:23:53.880But what have you put your finger on in terms of how and who did it?
00:23:58.100Yeah, well, I think Sutherland was a big figure, all right.
00:24:02.100You know, I think it was the foreign direct investment policy first and foremost.
00:24:07.020You know, up to that point, and we're talking about 70s, Ireland was regarded – and then for quite a couple of decades later as well – Ireland was regarded as a bit of, as I say, a sleepy backwater.
00:24:18.100And, you know, nothing much happened there.
00:24:20.820And, you know, rock bands would leave it off their tour schedules, you know, and that was a bit of a bugbear with lots of us in those years.
00:24:27.800But then these people started coming here, and they realized that actually Ireland had lots of appealing characteristics, you know.
00:24:36.380So, I mean, apart from the obvious, you know, the population spoke English and were moderately well-educated and certainly could be easily educated to the needs of the tech industry or the chemical industry.
00:24:49.540But there was also, like, just as an Ireland, as the weather is, you know, we don't like it so much.
00:24:55.560I mean, we complain about it all the time.
00:24:58.220You know, people who come from outside, from extreme climates of any kind, actually love it in Ireland.
00:25:02.040So, there's lots of – and, of course, it's a very beautiful country and very easygoing country, very kind of, you know, laid back and there was in those years.
00:25:17.280And I think that's kind of what happened, really, that they realized that they could actually do lots of things.
00:25:22.100And also that I think it being a small country, you see this now a little bit with Australia at the moment, kind of the Petri dish idea, you know, that let's try out this experiment.
00:25:32.040in a place where it's – which is insular, which is self-contained, which is supposed to be a small population, and see how it flies, see what are the dynamics of actually pushing it.
00:25:42.240And then we'll be able to translate that into larger places and impose it.
00:25:46.000Once we've achieved it in these smaller places, particularly a place like Ireland, which in a former – and I keep saying former, but it's true – former Catholic country, it's a really big thing if you announce suddenly that you have abortion in Ireland.
00:25:58.780And in fact, I think that my own theory is that – that happened in May 2018, and in, I think, the end of June or also July, the US Supreme Court brought in a decision – sorry, this is in relation – no, I'm sorry, I'm mistaken, I'm talking about the gay marriage thing.
00:26:17.780There was a connection between that. Within months in the gay marriage thing, the US Supreme Court had actually basically ordered that gay marriage be a federal right in America.
00:26:32.780And that, I think, Ireland's capitulation to that, I think, was a significant factor in that decision, because, you know, there is that sense, well, you know, if little old Catholic Ireland is able to do it, why can't America, you know?
00:26:49.280And I think that kind of thing is important, and that's the way these guys think.
00:26:53.780Yeah, it's a symbolic victory, right? And then if you can get the first domino to fall, then it's just a matter of, you know, getting the other ones to follow. It's pretty crazy.
00:27:04.800Yeah, I've seen some of this experiment in Sweden. We've seen it in Iceland, in Ireland, and Australia is just crazy now, definitely with the lockdowns and the protests we're seeing.
00:27:15.520I mean, that's absolutely crazy. But so let's talk a bit about the COVID situation then in Ireland and how you see this. When did you?
00:27:24.100Oh, you do. I just wanted to comment on that and just say something about that, what those pictures you're showing there.
00:27:38.580I mean, even after the abortion referendum, the most extraordinary scenes, I think, in recent Irish history were, you know, in that same place, in the courtyard of Dublin Castle, where you have, like, thousands of young people cheering and toasting, in effect, the slaughter of innocents.
00:27:57.320That's kind of what we've come to. I think that was possibly our lowest point in recent times up to the COVID episode, which we're about to go into now.
00:28:04.080Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy when you, and of course, it's framed to, would you say, has it been a, just a little bit more before we go into the COVID thing, was it a thing in schools, indoctrinating the younger generation?
00:28:19.380So when they are by voting age, a few generations later, they are basically liberals and they've converted the country in that sense? Or how, who is the majority that voted for this, would you say?
00:28:29.900Oh, yeah. Well, you know, the majority is a majority. Well, it's not quite a majority of the entire population when you factor in the people who didn't vote, but it's a significant minority who have voted for this.
00:28:42.320And you can't really make any statement about the people who don't vote because they don't vote, but I think that it was, yeah, the education system was infiltrated for decades, for sure, by feminism in the first instance.
00:28:57.260And I mean, we had various battles in that context with, you know, the refurbishing, shall we say, of the English language syllabus, you know, the literary syllabus and so on, you know, with Charles Dickens and his ilk being kicked out and, you know, radical feminist, you know, writers from the Caribbean were being, replacing him and so on.
00:29:24.340And I single-handedly opposed that stuff and got into a lot of hot water over it and, you know, there was lots of stuff like that.
00:29:32.840But of course, the media, as in America, the media were really gradually at first and then very rapidly transformed ideologically by a process in Ireland of, you see, when I started as a journalist in the 1980s and, you know, I moved into the mainstream, I basically got in on my ability to write, which you wouldn't do now.
00:30:03.540Or just my interest in the subject that I want to write about, which is rock and roll.
00:30:07.340You wouldn't be able to do that probably now so much.
00:30:10.940You certainly wouldn't get into the mainstream on those terms.
00:30:14.000You would have to go to a college system and get a degree in journalism.
00:30:19.580And when you do that, you go to a place where the lecturers are all Marxists.
00:32:46.080But I think that the – yeah, their functions seem to be in their own minds that they have to police the landscape in order to keep anybody from saying anything that is not in compliance with their agendas.
00:33:06.240And then – so they invent all these ludicrous names for people who have different views.
00:33:12.340And those – you know, so, you know, if you are a far right or you're a white supremacist, why?
00:33:17.320Well, because you are questioning the logic of swamping your people in your country in outsiders.
00:34:09.780Let's be noncommittal just when his name comes up.
00:34:12.680That's enough to have people say to you, well, that's a kind of a far right position, isn't it?
00:34:17.760You know, it's a bit far right, isn't it?
00:34:19.820You know, and I'm talking with ordinary people who just repeat these kind of catchwords, which they're given by the media.
00:34:26.320The entire process, you see, we – I don't think we really – we've often bandied around these concepts like, you know, groupthink or propaganda or hypnosis, mass hypnosis, you know, mass indoctrination, brainwashing, all these phrases.
00:34:41.100But I don't think we really – culturally, anyway – I know, obviously, there are people within the culture who do grasp these things very well.
00:34:50.040But in general, in terms of the apprehension of the culture itself of these concepts, I think you would have to say it was very, very low.
00:34:56.600And that we're only seeing now – it's only now when we see these things in action and we are, like, kind of trying – we're struggling to catch up, to describe what's happening, to make any kind of sense of it with words.
00:35:09.540Because it's so crazy, you know, that actually you have a deranged population, it seems, repeating the same mantras without evidence.
00:35:20.500Things they saw on TV, they never look around them in their – you know, they look around in the pub when somebody brings up a controversial issue.
00:35:30.340But they never actually look around them in real life, in everyday life, and ask, well, how many people do I know who died from this virus, for example?
00:35:38.320Or, you know, do I even know somebody who knows somebody who's died?
00:35:46.880I think this has been, in a certain sense, Henrik, the most terrifying thing of this – obviously, the whole thing is terrifying in lots of ways, I think, in ways we can get into.
00:35:57.500But possibly the most terrifying thing, if there is to be a long-term future for the world and for the human race, then the most terrifying thing – in other words, if we're going to get over this – it remains the most terrifying thing afterwards, that we have learned what they can do to the vast majority of people.
00:36:16.980And how malleable and docile they are, and how obedient they are, and how they will actually carry out the most ridiculous routines, absurd routines.
00:36:27.920And I'm actually working on a kind of an article at the moment, which I'm exploring the idea, actually, that what they've tapped into here is – you know, because we've actually talked about, obviously, hypnosis and all that kind of stuff.
00:36:41.060And there's very strong weaponizing of the kind of the religious impulse as well and the ritualistic impulse in man as well.
00:36:47.600But actually, one of the things I've stumbled on recently is something that actually goes underneath even all that.
00:36:53.320And that's what – you know, the play instinct.
00:36:56.440And there's a wonderful book written by a Dutch man called Johan, I think, Huizinga, back in 1938.
00:37:06.920And he talked about how fundamental the play instinct is to humanity and to civilization.
00:37:13.140And when you read it, you realize that actually it's not impossible that actually somebody read this book and thought, if we could actually weaponize this instinct, we could get people to do crazy things.
00:37:23.580Within the time and space of the game, which they wouldn't do otherwise, and which make no sense outside of it, but they won't notice.
00:37:34.360Because the rules are the rules are the rules.
00:37:36.160You know, if you're playing a game, you don't get into a philosophical argument with the other players about whether the particular rule is good, bad, or indifferent.
00:40:00.500In terms – furthering on from the depression, that the depression had become so bedded down that the next stage is kind of psychic shock.
00:40:24.660And we seem to have run out of concepts by which to kind of go deeper in, in the hope that we might comprehend something.
00:40:32.300But I think maybe the block there is – and certainly it is for me, and I'm aware of this very strongly, Henry – that I don't actually imaginatively have the capacity to grasp true evil.
00:41:01.340I see – but, yeah, but really, I'm holding back inside myself.
00:41:07.360I mean, I could actually tell you about, you know, what Bill Gates has said and what his connections are and Boris Johnson's father and all this stuff, you know.
00:41:16.040But there's a part of my brain that will never believe that until it actually comes knocking on my door.
00:42:09.400I don't think it's ever missed a year.
00:42:11.320And I used to, when my wasn't cancelled and when I was still a respectable journalist, I used to get invited there, get a writer.
00:42:19.060I used to do plays and I got to speak in there lots of times.
00:42:21.600But I looked at the program when I was in the vicinity and, you know, all these artists, all of whom I know are musicians and novelists and so on.
00:42:33.320And at the bottom of their posters, it says, you know, only people who have been fully vaccinated and have a vaccination certificate will be admitted.
00:42:43.660You know, like, I just – so was it all for nothing?
00:42:56.360And, I mean, this is – I can't believe – and, I mean, I've had that with all kinds of – in all kinds of contexts.
00:43:01.120You know, I mean, I've heard of – I won't mention her name, but I found out in the last few days that somebody I knew very well about 10 years ago in that particular context is now the Minister for Justice in a particular European country,
00:43:17.020signing into law fascistic diktats on a – basically on a daily basis.
00:43:21.060She was a gentle, kind-hearted, Catholic woman.
00:44:42.860Like, does anybody tell me seriously that those police officers who are kicking people half to death on the street are actually doing it because they want to protect the health of the public?
00:46:33.580But what they did was that by a succession of instruments, they managed to dispose prematurely of a great, huge number of elderly people.
00:46:42.800Now, if people find that hard to believe, and I would have in the beginning, but now that I've looked at it, I do believe that it is true.
00:46:49.680And I think the ethic there, if you want to call it that, the anti-ethic, you know, is related to the idea that, well, you know, in order to kind of expedite,
00:46:59.680if somebody's in pain or distress and they're coming close to death, it's not, there's nothing wrong with giving them a morphine shot to hurry them on their way.
00:47:09.980And, you know, it's, it's in the best, it's the best for them in the long run.
00:47:13.900That's, I think that idea is now expanding whereby, whereas once it was a matter of hours, then it became days, then weeks.
00:47:22.440And now it can be a matter of months or even a couple of years.
00:47:25.860And I think that that ethic, anti-ethic, very much was applied during March, April into May of 2020.
00:47:33.940There's a wonderful scientist, a Canadian guy called Denis Rancourt, who's done a brilliant analysis of all this.
00:47:42.040And he identifies stress as being the primary factor in people's deaths at that point.
00:49:12.180I mean, yeah, there are different kind of theories.
00:49:17.220I mean, Denis Rancourt believes, and a lot of people have said this, and I think this is kind of right, that what they've done is, because there was no virus, what they've done is they've weaponized a lot of existing viruses.
00:49:28.740Now, we all know there are viruses going around the place all the time.
00:50:00.920That death has been abolished, you know.
00:50:02.640And I mean, of course, death is terrible in a certain sense and can be extraordinarily sad in lots of circumstances and in most circumstances.
00:50:08.880But it does happen and I've got really bad news for these guys.
00:50:12.600It's going to happen to us all, you know.
00:50:15.020So, like, but the, so what they've done is they weaponized all of these other conditions.
00:50:21.380Now, I think what's happening is very sinister indeed.
00:50:24.880And you have to say that this cannot be random.
00:50:30.020That because of the lockdown policies, which have separated people and prevented them interacting in the ways that they would naturalistically do,
00:50:37.540which is essential to the kind of development and strengthening of the human immune system.
00:50:44.760You know, that you mix with other people, you shake hands with them, you get germs, you get like, you know, sneezy stuff or sniffly stuff.
00:50:52.840Or maybe once in a while you get an outbreak of a real flu or something like that.
00:50:56.400But by getting that, you strengthen your immune system, right?
00:51:03.980That's the paradox of our humanity or one of the many paradoxes of our humanity.
00:51:08.920So, now what they've done by doing, they've actually depleted the immune systems of the world because they've kept us separate two meters apart for a year and a half.
00:51:19.780Now, I've had a personal experience in the last month because I got a kind of a, I call it a flu, about a month ago, which wasn't as a flu very severe.
00:51:29.040I mean, there was a cough, there was sinus stuff, there was, you know, pains and aches, all that headache on that, you know.
00:51:37.320Most of that went within three to four days.
00:51:40.660But I was left with a kind of a hangover that went on for another three weeks of really kind of pains, tired, like I'd been beaten up, like I'd been kicked by a bunch of nightclub monsters, you know.
00:51:51.680That was the feeling I had and I couldn't shift it.
00:51:56.140Now, I think that that's actually what those guys, the scientists and doctors who were warning us about the effects of lockdown were talking about.
00:52:02.820That two things happen when you create those kind of conditions.
00:52:06.220One is, as I said, that the weakening of the immune system.
00:52:08.740But the other is the strengthening of the bugs.
00:52:10.680So, you create superbugs of what were previously ordinary bugs.
00:52:15.020So, when people get them, they have a much more profound effect than they would have had two years ago.
00:52:20.740And I think that that combined then with the vaccine, which is another module of this, is going to make this a very bleak winter indeed for an awful lot of people.
00:52:31.260The vaccines, they're killing a lot of people and the corrupt media are refusing to report it.
00:52:49.740Nobody that I knew directly died from COVID.
00:52:52.480I've heard about people dying from COVID.
00:52:54.420I don't know that I believe it because, you know, for the reasons I've said.
00:52:59.440But, you know, I said at the very beginning, within weeks, it's occurred to me, you know, that, well, look, what would the pandemic look like on your street?
00:53:08.500Well, there'd be a woman dying in a room on the third floor of the building across the street.
00:53:14.000There'd be an ambulance coming up one way.
00:53:16.940There'd be a hearse coming down the other way.
00:53:19.760There'd be people being stretchered out.
00:53:21.600There might be a person collapsed on the roadway.
00:53:29.260But here's the interesting thing, that now I'm beginning to actually run into situations where people are dying in inexplicable circumstances.
00:53:37.020In numbers that are previous, that do not correspond to the rates of, you know, natural sudden death, what do you say?
00:53:46.080Like, I grew up in a town of 2,000 people.
00:53:48.360And that's a really good laboratory setting to know about death because you know everybody of those 2,000 people.
00:53:55.360And every week in particular wintertime there are maybe two or three funerals, maybe one in summertime in a week.
00:54:05.780And so you get to have a sense of the rhythm of death, as it were, in such a community.
00:54:12.160And, you know, you know that in February, January, February, a good number of older people die every year.
00:54:20.620You know that over the period of a year, two or three, in that number of a population, two, three, four people, maybe, will die very suddenly, inexplicably.
00:54:33.300And shock everybody, even young people.
00:54:38.440For reasons to do, it hurts you, all illnesses, whatever.
00:54:43.640So, like, we're now in a situation where it's now happening in a way that is registering with me through, you know, friends of mine, their relations.
00:54:57.040Or, you know, I was in a hotel last weekend and a man just dropped dead getting out of his car.
00:55:02.900There are stories of, you know, car accidents, mysterious car accidents where cars are suddenly running off the road.
00:55:10.400Because the owner has had, the driver has had a heart attack.
00:55:17.560Multiple pileups, multiple car pileups arising from the same factor.
00:55:21.140But the media here in Ireland, and I think elsewhere, are completely turning the other way from all this.
00:55:28.100You know, now we know that in the last time, I think it was in 76, there was the first swine flu epidemic.
00:56:23.940So soon enough, if you haven't gotten the third shot, you won't be considered fully vaccinated.
00:56:29.040So statistically, you will be unvaccinated.
00:56:31.520Maybe you just got the one shot, right?
00:56:33.740Or maybe within the 14 days of getting the second shot.
00:56:37.260But all of this is still predicated on nurses and doctors and so forth reporting these kinds of things.
00:56:43.400Apparently, I'm not sure if you saw some of the Project Veritas stuff coming out yesterday, I think it was, right?
00:56:48.820Where you see some of these hospitals now are basically they're covering up at least the side effects.
00:56:53.360They're saying that, you know, one boy experienced myocarditis, for example, the heart inflammation of the heart muscle and stuff like that.
00:56:59.500And they won't really they won't talk about this, that they're sweeping it under the rug, which is not a big surprise to me.
00:57:05.040But the world is finding out, you know.
00:57:06.980Well, yeah, I find it, I am surprised by it, really.
00:57:15.960I'm quite shocked by it because it seemed to me that, you know, in regards of ideology, journalism still refers to facts.
00:57:25.880That there was a place in journalism for reporting the facts.
00:57:28.720Whatever you made of them, aside from that, in commentary or analysis, you reported them anyway.
00:57:35.760And let the pieces fall where they may.
00:58:38.880But it is interesting that we have seen a the things that you would expect to see in 2020 if that story was true or are things that we're now beginning to see in 2021.
00:58:51.980And here's a here's a genomic sequencing map on the left hand side here in this image that shows you just how many variants was.
00:59:00.120And it was actually a doctor, forget her name, Rose, I think something, Jacqueline Rose or something, who was part of the FDA or was it the CDC hearing on booster shots?
00:59:11.820And she actually managed to present some of this.
00:59:13.520And she she said that she believed that the primary driver of these new variants is the vaccine.
00:59:19.980And another thing that happens here is that you're creating a kind of an artificial evolutionary pressure on this virus, whatever it is, what if this virus, what, you know, we can debate what we define this or whatever.
00:59:35.700If you look at the stuff that David Martin, for example, talks about, I mean, he found patent stuff going back almost 10 years, I believe, where companies have patented certain things that they've kind of spliced together.
00:59:48.760I mean, and that even came out in the FOIA request of that.
01:00:05.780And it was almost that it was I don't know how sinister or how planned all of this was.
01:00:11.700But but just looking at it for now, at least, it almost feels like they released something or maybe it was accidental.
01:00:17.480I can't prove that yet, but it was released.
01:00:20.940We got out there regardless of what it was.
01:00:23.980And then the the plan of this was to get an evolutionary driver to to make the virus worse and worse and worse.
01:00:32.540It wasn't at all that bad in the beginning.
01:00:34.720Right. It was driven, again, as I said at the start of this interview, by a faulty or a RT PCR test, which was way too sensitive.
01:00:43.200It was running on way too many cycle thresholds, which causes, you know, a can of pain tested positive, a mango tested positive, a goat tested like all these things that that, you know, I think it was Tanzania or something that did some of these experiments on some of them.
01:02:03.780I think that actually Martin, David Martin, is correct.
01:02:07.900Putting the pieces together in the most coherent way, I think, leads to the conclusion that Martin is correct, that there was no actual novel virus, but that there was a novel vaccine.
01:02:21.720And the novel vaccine was, as it were, the whole point of the exercise.
01:02:25.600Now, I have been watching this for a long time, for, you know, the duration, and for well over, for coming up in a year now, I've been hearing these, what at first seem to be highly alarmist voices, warning about the consequences of this vaccine, this pseudo vaccine.
01:02:44.140I'm talking about people like Geert van der Bosch, Mike Eden, Sutra at Bhakti, and these guys.
01:02:52.660And now, again, it's a part of me that refuses, in a certain sense, to follow my head.
01:03:25.200You know, because it would only take a gradual acceleration of the death rate over the coming winter to bring about something very close to what they have described, which is catastrophic.
01:03:50.120I don't care what their belief system is.
01:03:51.800I do not want that to happen to people.
01:03:54.020But, my God, I don't know if it can be stopped.
01:03:58.320That's what the evidence is telling me, that it can't be stopped now.
01:04:03.760And that's an awful situation for the world to be in.
01:04:07.480And so it's not a question of us deciding how we're going to cope, you know, with the tyrannies of the government for the next six months or, you know, the attitude to the unvaccinated or all this.
01:04:20.580This is all going to be irrelevant in the face of this absolute carnage that appears to be imminent.
01:04:36.000And then you have, you know, the issue of, and it's kind of part of the same, you know, family of problems, if you will, of so-called leaky vaccines.
01:04:46.280You have the auto, I always forget what it stands for, A-D-E, right?
01:05:03.600I remember I played the click many times early in the pandemic, is that you don't want to, you know, the worst case scenario, Fauci said, is to vaccinate against something.
01:05:12.540And it actually turns out that it makes the illness much worse and things like this, right?
01:05:16.020And this seems to be where this is going, that there's so many different issues, right?
01:06:53.340Well, in Ireland, it's quite staggering because what they're actually doing is instead of covering the stories when somebody dies and there's a question mark over this death,
01:07:01.840a young person, you know, we've had this several times in the last few weeks, very young person, suddenly, instead of actually pursuing the story, right or wrong, you know, true or untrue, whatever, find out.
01:07:16.780And then say, okay, either all clear or, you know, we've got a question still here or whatever.
01:07:20.840However, they immediately go to attack what they call the anti-vaxxers.
01:07:26.520Now, the anti-vaxxers don't exist, by and large, in that sense, because in this particular case, there's a particular attitude, you know, there's a particular situation.
01:07:36.860Many people who are not in any way opposed to vaccination in principle, and in fact, I don't know if there's anybody who's absolutely opposed.
01:07:45.420There probably are, but not that many.
01:07:46.880But this is a particular thing with particular reasons, particular factors, which are, you know, set out, syriatum, by all of us in the argument.
01:08:03.860And these guys call themselves journalists, and they seek to demonize this.
01:08:07.620This is, of course, a primary symptom of the groupthink phenomenon.
01:08:12.060And I wrote a series of articles about this not long ago.
01:08:15.000So, but this initially groupthink, you know, was identified in meetings and in decision makers, but it noticed certain patterns.
01:08:23.100And one of the patterns was that the group, once it decides that on a decision, on a course of action, however erroneous or wrongheaded, defends this to the death.
01:08:32.380And immediately starts to find an out-group, which it can oppose.
01:08:41.040You know, they're actually carrying out the script to the letter.
01:08:45.240That they're actually seeking to demonize and scapegoat people so as to distract from the actual issue and put out this idea that the only possible reason for raising issues, questions about the vaccines is because you're far right or you're anti-vax or you're a white supremacist or some such gibberish.
01:09:03.840And these people still call themselves journalists.
01:09:32.520You know, it's always like the peak thing.
01:09:35.120It's always like if you just can smear the other side enough that they're the Nazis here in the equation, then maybe they will fold to you.
01:09:42.340Maybe they will, you know, submit, essentially, because that's what it is, right?
01:09:45.860It's a shaming campaign to get people to obey, essentially.
01:09:50.380Well, you see, I think that under the influence of mass hypnosis and all that, it does work.
01:09:55.280This is the staggering thing about it.
01:10:38.460And, you know, I mean, look, we talk about the future as if it was granted and given.
01:10:42.860But, you know, if there is a future, if there is a future, we're going to have to sort all this stuff out from the very, very basic root of everything.
01:10:50.800You said something really good, and I forget, it was someone pulling it out, I think, from an interview, you said, if we get through this, if we end up coming out of this thing on the other end, still alive, still, you know, some semblance of even civilization at the end of this, because who knows how bad this is going to get, right?
01:11:08.920Every single institution will have to be dismantled.
01:11:12.380And everything that we relied on that took us here is going to need to be leveled by the ground, essentially, right?
01:11:39.100I mean, I think symbolically, like, the media are so complicit in all this that, you know, they need to be treated at the end, when this comes to some kind of culmination, something like, you know,
01:11:48.980serial killers or something like that.
01:11:50.640I mean, in the sense that their houses, their dwelling places need to be demolished, you know, and that they no longer are allowed to function as journalists in any way.
01:12:00.780And anybody who has worked in the media in this period should be barred for life from ever, you know, masquerading again as a journalist, to say the least of it.
01:12:09.920And that same goes to the judiciaries who have supported all of this on the bench.
01:13:12.020And I'm not sure how the situation in Ireland, maybe you know more about that or in other European countries.
01:13:16.380But in America, there was a financial incentive by the hospitals to put you on a ventilator as some hospitals got as much, what was it, as much as $15,000 per patient or something?
01:13:26.460Yeah, well, I mean, they situate this, what they call the COVID protocol.
01:13:32.260And if you go on that, on the ventilator, you eventually have, I think, something like a 50-50 chance of coming out.
01:13:40.200Whereas in other general, you would have a 70-odd percent chance of coming out.
01:13:44.920But, okay, now, you know, the alternative is that if people are in that situation, my understanding is the thing to do is ask for the normal pneumonia protocol in which you will be given a mixture of medical drug treatment or whatever, and then, where necessary, intubation.
01:14:04.460But what we've discovered about it, what we have seen over the last year and a half, you know, if you remember in the summer, early summer of last year when Donald Trump was giving those press conferences from the White House every night, the obsession with ventilators.
01:14:20.100I mean, it was like, you know, we've got 10,000, we've got, you know, that turned out to be a disaster because many people were killed by the ventilators.
01:14:27.720And that's a real problem because pretty older people, the shock of actually being ventilated in that way can be very profound for them.
01:14:36.220And so that's, again, you see, there are so many of these mechanisms which can be ambiguous and which can, you know, allow for plausible deniability in the event of something going wrong.
01:14:51.020So, but I, speaking for myself, like, I would be absolutely anxious to stay away from all doctors and hospitals.
01:15:00.820But again, I mean, we're going to have to, I mean, you're going to have to have a thorough, you know, post-mortem, shall we say, on all this from a medical point of view.
01:15:10.280And with the question on, high on the blackboard, you know, how do we now, how do we store our hospitals and our medical professions to the trust of the public?
01:15:35.340And nobody would, in their right mind, would voluntarily go into a hospital unless they knew exactly the person they were dealing with and who they were going, who was going, if they'd had previous dealings with that person.
01:15:55.180Because the principle is this, Enric, I mean, and particularly with politicians.
01:16:00.600Politicians talk about, well, you know, you hear this, you actually hear them saying that.
01:16:04.460Well, you know, we'll be able to give our, some freedoms back to vaccinated people or, well, we're thinking about having a freedom day on the 22nd of October when people will get a fair modicum of their freedoms back.
01:16:23.280So, the problem here is that if we allow this to pass, and then nothing is done to mark the meaning of it, and we just go on and say, okay, we're going back to normal now.
01:16:48.540And that involves creating impediments.
01:16:51.060Literally, like, go in and we look at what they did legally and ensure that we have fail-safe mechanisms, that they cannot get close to these mechanisms again, these weapons again.
01:17:01.880And I think, unfortunately, I have to say this, not out of vengeance or vindictiveness, but these guys all have to go to jail.
01:17:17.720What's the technical term here to use?
01:17:19.440We're kind of in new territory here, in a way, as far as I know.
01:17:22.460And the way that they've rolled this out on a global scale, and we need to find out how much these people knew and how much they're part of either covering things up or part of understanding why this is being done and things like that.
01:17:53.680I think, I mean, okay, this is a pure kind of, you know, anecdotal kind of impressionistic thing of my own.
01:18:02.900But the way I kind of start, this question of, do they know?
01:18:07.340The way I kind of look at that is, well, okay, well, what would be the normative demeanor of a political establishment in the face of a genuine threatened pandemic?
01:18:40.120They were talking immediately from the word go about the fact that they would be changing laws to ensure that they had the means to arrest people who refused to be quarantined.
01:19:04.680And when you actually look at their demeanor, you see, this is something, you get so used to it, you don't actually pay attention, you know, I find.
01:19:10.380And you have to kind of draw yourself back and say, look, what's that guy saying now?
01:19:13.980And ask yourself, is the tone of that commensurate with the gravity that he claims is here?
01:19:22.940And generally speaking, you'd find it's nothing like that.
01:19:25.460Like, you know, for example, I was, again, when I was down at this arts festival at the weekend, I'd look going around.
01:19:30.160I found that one of the leading propagandists of the entire thing here in Ireland, a scientist, you know, let's say,
01:19:37.200has had, is on the road with his own COVID-19 roadshow.
01:21:53.880But they will get away with it, but their overall plan will not work.
01:21:57.120In the long term, you know, you can't have a top-down plan for the world that will, you know, run efficiently in the manner of, you know, I don't know, what system of totalitarianism even remotely worked, even on a much smaller scale.
01:22:30.660I mean, of course, you have the financial aspect of this, too.
01:22:33.920I think we're also in a new, and we've had some elites talking about this, that we're in new territory in terms of what they have at their disposal when it comes to technology, right?
01:22:44.160They have a, as you've talked about during this interview, too, that they have a deep knowledge of human psychology.
01:22:49.980They know how to manipulate your emotions, your sense of, you know, your religious drives or cult drives, whatever you want to call it in a sense, right?
01:22:58.940But then you have this new added layer of technology and population control and population management.
01:23:06.080I mean, the advent of the television and mass media in and of itself is a form of, of course, a mind control, if you will, technology.
01:23:14.200It's to coerce and control large segments of the population.
01:23:17.360But then there's even more novel technologies that they have at their disposal.
01:23:21.960And we'll see if some of that gets employed or not.
01:23:24.420But they have many of them, from Brzezinski to, you know, there are some names up there that people have been talking about, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
01:23:35.520But they've talked about, I guess even, I guess, Klaus Schwab, right, at the very forefront of the World Economic Forum and the COVID-19 Great Reset.
01:23:42.960He wrote the book on this and stuff like that.
01:23:44.680He talks about this from the point of view of a fourth industrial revolution, that this is the greatest opportunity for them to remake everything, right?
01:23:52.600Even this issue now that we have with the supply chains, which can also be a compounding issue on top of, let's say, people getting sick, people then not showing up to work.
01:24:01.760Then you have congestion in the supply chain, meaning food won't be coming to the stores.
01:24:06.040I mean, this is a disaster, a world-ending type disaster that potentially we're looking at here.
01:24:12.040But then they're going to jump on that opportunity and say, see, we are going to never let this happen ever again.
01:24:18.220We're going to have a chip, if you will, or an RFID device on every single product, even in every single human.
01:24:26.220We're going to have an omnipotent system of artificial intelligence that's going to keep an eye on everything, right?
01:24:31.960This is some of the stuff that he's been talking about, of reshaping even the fundamentals of the human being.
01:24:37.060And to add one more thing to this, us going into this territory of genetically, or at least using genetic technology to produce an outcome inside of the human body, I'm talking about the mRNA technology that they're injecting into people now, that is kind of crossing the Rubicon, in a sense, into a transhumanist territory.
01:24:59.580No, I do. I do think that that's all part of the agenda.
01:25:04.100And I'm very interested. That's been the subject, more or less, of the article I've been working on, on your countrymen, Ava, and their forthcoming concerts in London as avatars of themselves.
01:25:16.900And that, to me, seems to me to be a part of this whole move, shift of the imagination of the world towards a transhumanist project.
01:25:25.120And there's also the other dimension of this, is that the financial system, the idea that we're being told repeatedly now by pretty authoritative people, that they're essentially going to dismantle the existing money system and replace it with a digital currency, which will operate in conjunction with social credit systems and whatnot, and universal basic income.
01:25:46.640And so, basically, you will have a 99.99 recurring slave class, and then a very tiny elite who will basically have all the rights and all the privileges and all the wealth.
01:25:57.440And I think that's actually a very plausible scenario, in theory.
01:26:03.680But where I actually think that where the good news is, is that the systems that run the world are so chaotic that it's not possible to run the world without that level of chaos.
01:26:18.060I mean, a market system is essentially a chaotic system.
01:26:21.180Economists can only write in, understand it, or comprehend it in the most rudimentary way.
01:26:26.000And I don't think these people have the necessary kind of skills or knowledge or experience or understanding of the human structure to implement what they seem to want to implement.
01:26:39.440And I think that for that reason, it will become an utter disaster.
01:26:43.140I don't mean a disaster in the sense that we might fear it will become, but a disaster in quite a good way, that essentially these people are going to have to run for the hills and that the world will be restored gradually over a period.
01:26:55.000It could take years, but that we will get the world back, maybe in our lifetimes, as it was, or pretty much approximating to what it was.
01:27:03.520I have a hope of that, because of the redeeming quality of these people, their arrogance and their stupidity combined.
01:27:24.660He doesn't understand how the human person feels and thinks.
01:27:29.160What there is a relationship between rationalism and the human person.
01:27:33.740You know, all of these things are major questions.
01:27:36.120These guys have never intruded upon them.
01:27:38.160And so I'm fairly optimistic that in the long run, this is going to come unstuck.
01:27:43.800Of course, it will cause no end of grief.
01:27:46.560But in a certain sense, given that this has happened, Henrik, I think that grief will be necessary in the sense that we need to impress upon the future leaders of the world that this can never be allowed to happen again in any sense whatever.
01:27:59.680And that all of the things that were done here can never be done again.
01:28:41.240But I certainly think that they need to be taken off the streets for a very, very long time.
01:28:45.100For the purpose of conveying to anybody in a shiny suit who's thinking of going the same route in the medium to long term future, that that would be a very unwise thing to be doing.
01:29:01.220But the problem I have today is that there is no authority to whom I can go seeking to ask them to intervene because they're all corrupted by it.
01:29:12.880And that goes back to that point you mentioned that it needs to be leveled.
01:29:16.700And it really then is up to people to rise to the occasion.
01:29:20.100Here is a challenge like something we've never had before.
01:29:23.120And I'm not saying, you know, go out and do dumb things.
01:29:27.160Maybe, look, maybe the solution here is to just create a parallel society because it looks like those who are refusing to obey are being squeezed out anyway.
01:29:35.260We're becoming secondhand citizens in our countries.
01:29:38.240There is, you know, if you don't obey and do these medical experiments that we ask of you, you can't no longer take part.
01:29:45.760I mean, there was, you know, no jab, no bank, no jab, no food.
01:29:48.980Like France, we saw some of these things are barring people from going into the grocery store and getting and getting food.
01:29:53.820But in Australia, it's a very interesting dynamic that with the construction workers, massive protest there.
01:30:07.720And I mean, they were, they were at some point they had the police on retreat and then the stormtroopers arrived and they pushed back the construction workers.
01:30:15.700But it occurred to me when I was looking at that, John, like, what if those people, all those guys, all those men that are working and propping up the system and ensuring that, you know, new buildings can go up, they repair things and that.
01:30:34.520100% what we're seeing out there with people showing up, protesting, fighting back, pushing back, showing up and, and, and making, you know, making them up there.
01:30:43.240And the ivory tires know that there's people out there.
01:30:45.700They're not going to take this lying down.
01:30:46.960But at the end of the day, at the end of it, we shouldn't go crawling to these people to get our lives back and to get our freedoms back.
01:57:06.560I worked on this document, which was the report to the Secretary General on sustainable economic development.
01:57:15.360But we think the vaccines are effective and they're available to you and we can't risk any more damage to the economy.
01:57:21.380It's quite funny because a lot of the right-wing conspiracy theorists are having a field day with that and I'm some sort of like closet globalist shill because I work momentarily for the UN.
01:57:35.760But their most likely will be more than like what's your limit?