Red Ice TV - October 07, 2022


＂Dahmer Is White, Not Gay＂

Hosted by
Henrik Palmgren Lana Lokteff
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Jeffrey Dahmer Ted Kaczynski John Wengacy Wayne Peters Ryan Murphy John Rambo Latinos Jackson Glenda Salon Rice
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Length

11 minutes

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1,982

Sentence count

138

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Misogyny

3

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Toxicity

38

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Hate speech

18

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Summary

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Netflix removed the LGBTQ tag from the new season of Monster, Monster, starring Evan Peters as serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer, after backlash from the LGBTQ community. What does this mean for the future of the show, and why did this happen?

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00:00:00.000 LGBTQ community here was not happy after the new hit series on Netflix, Monster.
00:00:08.000 They've done it on a couple of the white serial killers, of course. 0.88
00:00:11.200 We'll get to that more in a moment here.
00:00:12.860 But Dahmer, Jeffrey Dahmer, the guy in Milwaukee who killed 17 people. 0.94
00:00:18.420 Some of them he ate, some of them he had sex with. 0.99
00:00:21.740 Maybe all of them, I forget all the details, but most of them he had sex with. 0.99
00:00:25.280 He lured young boys, basically, into his apartment.
00:00:28.820 People that are in transit, they don't really have anywhere to go, or they haven't settled down, or they're on the run, essentially.
00:00:37.000 That's the kind of people he went for.
00:00:40.100 So when Netflix added the LGBT tag to this show, they were not happy, the activists here.
00:00:47.820 They said, this is not the representation that we're looking for.
00:00:51.240 You see, we should only have positive people, positive role models, positive events that happen.
00:00:57.640 Netflix removes, consequently, that LGBTQ tag from Dahmer after backlash from viewers.
00:01:04.960 The show, starring Evan Peters as the notorious serial killer, launched September 21st on the streaming platform
00:01:11.340 and was categorized under the LGBTQ tag for at least two days.
00:01:15.880 A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to Variety that LGBTQ tag was officially removed by Friday, September 23rd.
00:01:23.880 The decision to categorize Dahmer as LGBTQ content ignited controversy on social media,
00:01:31.160 with many subscribers condemning Netflix for the decision.
00:01:34.160 The tag is now normally used to spotlight shows such as Heartstopper and Sex Education,
00:01:40.440 both of which include LGBTQ characters and subject matters in a positive light.
00:01:45.760 See, so if it's anything negative, then the, you know, group X can just ask to be disassociated from that.
00:01:53.120 Can we get the same as white people? 0.99
00:01:54.960 No, of course, because the whole spin here is that this is a white guy, right?
00:01:58.600 He's like a blonde guy. 0.98
00:02:00.260 They love making shows about these crazy serial killers as long as they're white. 0.99
00:02:04.400 Here's another blonde villain, essentially. 1.00
00:02:06.100 And so they did not want the LGBTQ tag associated with him, but simply just, 0.99
00:02:12.660 can we just turn him into a white supremacist serial killer, please, who has mental issues? 0.95
00:02:17.560 I mean, and obviously he had mental issues and he was like drilling holes in people, in the kids' skulls. 1.00
00:02:24.220 He was having sex with them. 1.00
00:02:25.920 He raped them. 1.00
00:02:27.240 He cut off people. 1.00
00:02:28.660 He ate some of them.
00:02:29.660 He put some of the body parts in the fridges, in different containers and stuff, and saved some of it and stuff like that.
00:02:36.980 But so as long as it's not something you're looking for with your group,
00:02:40.180 apparently all you have to do is whine and complain and it will go away, apparently.
00:02:43.680 Here's the 17 people that he killed, right?
00:02:45.320 Because immediately they spun it that this is obviously a racist attack, right?
00:02:49.620 This is what it is.
00:02:50.800 And here's the victims, right?
00:02:51.900 So it's like what I can see here, it's two, maybe three white people,
00:02:56.820 depending on how you define it and how you break it down.
00:03:00.240 And most others are either black and there's like one or two maybe Asians or something like that in there as well. 0.77
00:03:05.860 My argument for this is he didn't do this because he was a racist.
00:03:08.660 He did this because these were the kind of people that he could lure in with like money
00:03:12.880 because there were people kind of outside of the system.
00:03:15.480 They had prior issues, you know, for various reasons.
00:03:19.300 But this is the spin right away in the show, right?
00:03:21.680 We should basically just be able to say that he is a white supremacist.
00:03:26.300 And if you look at the stats on some of the abusers,
00:03:28.320 there's kind of an interesting thread here from John Rambo over on Twitter.
00:03:32.440 More proof that the mental health issues affecting LGBTQ plus individuals is not related to social acceptance.
00:03:39.640 Here's a study from King's College in London.
00:03:42.120 Look at what they say here.
00:03:42.840 So then you can argue, well, is there something with the lifestyle that's producing mental health illness?
00:04:07.500 Is it that they have mental health illness and that's why they become part of thinking they're trans or gay or something like that?
00:04:14.380 These are open questions, but it's still interesting.
00:04:17.160 24 to 90 percent of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners.
00:04:21.860 Sexual abuse by women partners has been reported by up to 50 percent of lesbians.
00:04:27.280 46 percent of male homosexual reported childhood homosexual molestation as compared to only 7 percent of heterosexual men.
00:04:35.360 22 percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1 percent of heterosexual women reported childhood homosexual molestation.
00:04:42.340 99.8 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual teens will change their sexual orientation within 13 years.
00:04:50.760 Some of the studies is linking up here.
00:04:52.060 Two-thirds of men and women who were homosexual changed their orientation to heterosexual five years later.
00:04:58.980 Gay men, who are 1.65 percent of the U.S. population, account for 63 percent of the country's syphilis cases.
00:05:08.240 Gay men are 15 times more likely to have hepatitis B. 0.74
00:05:12.560 In 2010, homosexuals were about 200 times more likely than everyone else to be diagnosed with HIV. 0.85
00:05:18.220 Gay men are 10 to 15 times more likely than straight men to have eating disorders. 0.97
00:05:24.000 40 to 60 percent of serial killers are homosexuals. 0.99
00:05:27.860 Whoops, don't want to listen to that one, right? 0.92
00:05:30.020 So now you know why they're angry that this was put in the LGBTQ bracket. 0.97
00:05:34.460 Because, of course, they want to try to cover this up, right?
00:05:36.860 Like, look at what Salon wrote about this show, for example.
00:05:40.860 Ryan Murphy's monster, the Jeffrey Dahmer story, is an example of the brand undermining the mission.
00:05:47.740 What is the mission here, you think? 1.00
00:05:49.500 Well, of course, the mission is to, I don't know, shit on white people? 1.00
00:05:53.480 Okay, got it. 1.00
00:05:54.500 They're right here.
00:05:55.760 Dahmer, however, about the series, they're complaining because it was like they focused so much on like the kind of the, you know,
00:06:02.980 the scary aspect of him as the perpetrator and some of the drama with people around him and things like that.
00:06:10.460 Some of the victims, too, was highlighted.
00:06:11.920 But to say here, Dahmer, however, was something else.
00:06:15.260 A serial killer cannibal whose average appearance enabled him to integrate himself to Milwaukee's policemen.
00:06:23.080 Glenda objects, using the cops to confirm that by looking at the kid's identification,
00:06:28.400 they ignore her and help escort the boy back to the killer's apartment where Dahmer finishes murdering him after they leave.
00:06:35.260 Glenda, you see, Salon writes, is a black woman living in a low-income community populated by other black folks along with Latinos and Asians. 1.00
00:06:45.120 Dahmer may have stood out, but to the cops in Monster, whose actions are based on what happened,
00:06:51.180 he's, and by the way, they exaggerated a lot in the series, but we don't have to get into that now,
00:06:54.860 he's the one who needed protection, not the 17-year-old non-white gay man and underage boys who accepted an invitation into his apartment and never re-emerged.
00:07:07.340 Using the Dahmer case to illustrate the deadliness of prejudicial policing and the government's unequal application of justice
00:07:16.200 would seem to be the central undertaking in Monster.
00:07:19.120 So this is still the message, though.
00:07:21.000 This is what they don't understand, Salon. 1.00
00:07:22.340 The main message is that this is like, you know, he's a psychopathic white killer, 0.97
00:07:27.980 and therefore the message of the film or the series is that it's anti-white, right? 0.97
00:07:33.860 But they're missing that because they don't think it was central enough.
00:07:37.240 Continue here.
00:07:37.820 The Dahmer murders aren't just a horror show, or aren't just a horror show, Jackson explains.
00:07:42.580 It's a metaphor for all the social ills that plagues our nation.
00:07:46.860 Bad policing, underserved communities, 1.00
00:07:49.280 the low value we assign our young black and brown men, especially if they happen to be gay. 0.98
00:07:54.720 Yeah, they're definitely not being lifted out right now. 0.89
00:07:58.260 White men are still definitely kind of at the forefront, you know what I mean? 1.00
00:08:01.600 The fact that black and brown folks still don't have a voice, 1.00
00:08:04.840 and when we do speak up, we're too often ignored.
00:08:08.360 So there you go.
00:08:08.820 That's how it should be.
00:08:09.540 But, of course, we know the story is much different.
00:08:14.020 There's actually, in fact, tons of black serial killers that you could do a TV show or movies on,
00:08:19.760 but that's not too often happening now, is it? 0.99
00:08:22.000 It's usually a white guy who is the psychopath. 0.99
00:08:25.540 It's the same ones over, right? 0.99
00:08:26.760 It's Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:08:28.900 It's John Wengacy.
00:08:30.920 It's Ted Kaczynski, maybe, or something like that.
00:08:33.520 You know, there's like the same kind of guys over and over again, right?
00:08:35.820 Here's a good book I recommend, by the way,
00:08:37.780 Rice of the Black Serial Killer, documenting a startling trend. 0.77
00:08:42.960 And, of course, we've shown this one a couple of times when it comes to the mass shooters,
00:08:46.220 which would kind of be good information to add in in this context.
00:08:49.460 And that's just if you do a quick scan of the photos of the people of those who are performing mass shooters,
00:08:56.180 you can, of course, see that the majority of them are non-white.
00:08:59.420 This is just in one year alone.
00:09:00.680 This is 2019.
00:09:01.860 But if you go to mass-shootings.info, you can click into all the different years
00:09:06.340 and actually get a kind of an overview.
00:09:08.620 You can click in on the images, too, and actually get more information about the case.
00:09:12.060 But they will continue to ignore these kinds of things just to spin it negatively against white people.
00:09:17.480 But police did visit him a few times.
00:09:20.500 They just didn't – he was just sneaky enough, sly enough to hide what he was doing, right?
00:09:25.400 And in the end, he did get caught.
00:09:27.000 And in the end, he was killed in prison, right?
00:09:29.840 So wasn't justice served.
00:09:32.160 The other thing is he was allegedly – his family didn't file a police report,
00:09:38.020 but he, as a little boy, was abused, sexually abused by a neighbor.
00:09:42.540 Exactly.
00:09:42.820 And he was also neglected as a child in different ways.
00:09:46.400 His mother was suicidal.
00:09:47.920 So there's a lot going on, right?
00:09:49.760 But, you know, we'll see.
00:09:51.160 I'm not going to watch the series, but I did click on, like, the first few minutes,
00:09:55.800 and right away was basically, like, a black woman, Black Lives Matter, 1.00
00:09:59.220 focusing on the cops, arresting another black kid, you know, 0.97
00:10:03.260 as if blacks never commit any crimes ever, right? 0.99
00:10:07.140 It's absurd. 1.00
00:10:08.100 And as you say, there's plenty of black serial killers. 0.99
00:10:10.360 We never hear about them. 0.99
00:10:11.180 Black on white crime is through the roof higher than ever, right? 0.95
00:10:14.280 But let's focus on this old story of Dahmer from, you know, a few decades ago now.
00:10:19.720 It's the same old tired, like, the blonde villain, right? 1.00
00:10:23.820 They love that.
00:10:24.960 And even, like, you know, I showed it in the main image for the show,
00:10:28.640 like, one of the cover art is, like, his – I mean, they kind of had a yellow tint on it,
00:10:32.860 but, like, he's super white, you know, kind of thing.
00:10:34.940 His blonde hair, like, golden, and his eyes are, like, kind of, like, you know,
00:10:38.640 no pigmentation at all, essentially, in there, right?
00:10:41.260 So, no, this is what they do.
00:10:42.480 They spin it this way, and it helps to create that appearance that it's, like, 0.99
00:10:46.180 it's only white people that are the real psychopaths, you know, 0.99
00:10:49.500 and that's what it's about. 1.00
00:10:50.160 Ooh, Lord, that rings!
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