Red Ice TV - November 19, 2021


Dune Remake Is Painfully Anti-White


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Length

23 minutes

Words per Minute

157.3815

Word Count

3,712

Sentence Count

368

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

27


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 So let's talk about the latest remake of Dune. Back in 1984 was the first time that it was a film version of Frank Herbert's book. Was it a trilogy? I forget how many books was in the series. Dune, Frank Herbert, great story. David Lynch directed the 1984 version. Always loved the movie, always loved the film. Some incredible, you know, just sets and storylines and completely new things. I really enjoyed it.
00:00:25.880 And so we rewatched or watched this one, the remake, I should say, just a few days ago here and wanted to talk about it. So of course, spoiler alerts ahead here because we are going to show some clips and we're going to talk about some of the general, you know, kind of themes in the first part. I think it's slated to be a three part series. They're beginning, beginning working on the second now. And I think they do that because they didn't know if it was going to be a success or not. So they didn't know if they're going to do part two. But apparently they've decided that within a few days of this being released.
00:00:54.480 But yes, it is a didactic as it was a remake. In fact, we can even let's do this first. Let's watch the introduction to how they introduce us to the to the Dune universe and see if you can see if you notice any themes. We'll drill down into this and show some more clips after this, too. But this is how the whole thing begins. Take a look at this.
00:01:14.200 My planet Arrakis is so beautiful when the sun is low.
00:01:21.260 Rolling over the sands, you can see spice in the air.
00:01:39.160 At nightfall, the spice harvesters land.
00:01:44.200 The outsiders race against time to avoid the heat of the day.
00:01:57.880 They ravage our lands in front of our eyes.
00:02:02.300 Their cruelty to my people is all I've known.
00:02:05.240 These outsiders, the Harkonnens, came long before I was born.
00:02:15.500 By controlling spice production, they became obscenely rich.
00:02:19.700 Richer than the Emperor himself.
00:02:20.920 Richer than the�ron.
00:02:22.600 Richer than the Emperor's ears.
00:02:23.640 Richer than the Her
00:02:38.140 Litton.
00:02:38.940 Stay safe.
00:02:39.980 planting clouds.
00:02:40.920 Yeah!
00:02:42.280 What pak cooking
00:02:42.540 did you start to buy me on my tom's horn?
00:02:43.480 King devil.
00:02:44.240 King devil.
00:02:44.440 The commander and the soul please.
00:02:45.600 King devil.
00:02:46.180 And MODALしました.
00:02:46.960 King devil gracias.
00:02:47.640 King devil.
00:02:48.180 A pumped for the fate of this relational.
00:02:49.780 Our warriors couldn't free Arrakis from the Harkonnens.
00:03:06.460 But one day, by imperial decree, they were gone.
00:03:11.460 Why did the Emperor choose this path, and who will our next oppressors be?
00:03:31.340 Who will our next oppressors be?
00:03:33.140 Did you notice any themes in here?
00:03:35.140 Yeah, I was so nauseated when I saw the very introduction of it, right?
00:03:40.100 It was like, okay, we see exactly where this whole movie is going to be going now.
00:03:43.480 We can break it down a bit for you in case you didn't catch it, right?
00:03:46.800 But on the Dune Wikipedia page here, it says,
00:03:50.060 the writings incorporated an updated 21st century sensibility.
00:03:55.760 Sensibility, that's a nice word for it, into the script,
00:03:58.520 including increasing the prominence of female characters.
00:04:01.680 And not only that, inclusion of a lot of non-white characters as well,
00:04:06.320 with replacing it.
00:04:08.020 But so basically we have different parts.
00:04:09.880 The different groups here, right?
00:04:11.480 And then you can think about who are they, how are they portraying these, right?
00:04:15.640 First, we have the, I always call them the Harkonnens,
00:04:18.980 but they're saying Harkonnens in this one.
00:04:20.760 I'm not sure how they're, maybe they're asked Frank Herbert what the exact pronunciation was.
00:04:24.760 But essentially, these are the whitest white skinheads in the movie.
00:04:31.180 And yes, there were bad guys, you know, kind of in the old version as well.
00:04:33.820 But it wasn't this cut and dry.
00:04:35.660 It wasn't that, like, it wasn't this divided and obvious.
00:04:38.640 Yeah, I mean, there were some white, pasty, you know, gothic-looking guys.
00:04:43.020 But it wasn't obviously such a racially motivated thing.
00:04:47.740 You know what I mean?
00:04:48.180 They just thought, oh, this is a cool look for these people.
00:04:50.020 This, it's clear that they've updated it to make it look like this is the bad white supremacist,
00:04:54.820 Nazi figure here, you know?
00:04:56.600 Exactly, right.
00:04:57.560 And obviously, we should say, too, we'll play a clip from Harkonnens,
00:05:00.280 just how they depict them and so forth in a moment.
00:05:02.260 But a lot of it has, you know, there's Islamic themes, obviously, in this.
00:05:06.600 And they've picked up and piggybacked on this.
00:05:08.600 But only so far, which is interesting.
00:05:10.720 We'll talk about an example later when they talk about the Fremen,
00:05:14.360 which is, you know, the free men, right, kind of thing.
00:05:17.620 It's really, that's really the noble savage.
00:05:19.280 But more on them later.
00:05:21.100 But, yeah, a lot of Islamic themes in the book and so forth.
00:05:23.740 It's like some, some people, it's basically Islam in space.
00:05:27.460 There's a little bit more to it than that.
00:05:29.040 But, yes, that's a big part of it.
00:05:31.580 And, again, think back.
00:05:32.800 Maybe this was kind of exotic or even interesting to someone back in, you know,
00:05:38.500 grew up in the, what, 60s maybe.
00:05:41.840 And they were young at that point, 1984, when that was shown or something like,
00:05:47.260 ooh, what is this exotic, right?
00:05:48.560 But, consequently, with mass immigration and terrorist attacks and stuff.
00:05:52.480 Not so exotic anymore.
00:05:53.740 Maybe it's not so, you know, what I mean?
00:05:54.420 So they took out certain things such as jihad.
00:05:57.340 That's a direct word that they use in the novels and in the 84 version.
00:06:01.240 It's jihad, the sacred war, right, of the Fremen and stuff.
00:06:03.780 But I didn't hear that anywhere in this one, which is kind of interesting.
00:06:06.520 They did talk about war, though.
00:06:08.120 But, anyway, I'll get ahead of myself.
00:06:09.880 Here's the Harkonnens or Harkonnens, as they say here.
00:06:13.500 Look at how they're depicted here and see if you can see any themes here.
00:06:18.560 Lord Barron.
00:06:33.900 Rabban.
00:06:35.960 The last of our ships have left Arrakis.
00:06:39.820 It's done.
00:06:41.160 Very good.
00:06:42.020 Uncle, how can we let this happen?
00:06:47.680 How can the Emperor...
00:06:49.020 Take everything we've built and give it to that Duke!
00:06:55.200 How?
00:06:56.300 Don't be too sure it's an act of love.
00:07:01.240 What does he mean?
00:07:02.260 When there's a gift, not a gift.
00:07:13.040 And, by the way, this is the Swedish actor, Stellan Skarsgård, right?
00:07:17.820 So they took a lot of Nordic people to play these roles as well.
00:07:22.840 But even this guy, the big guy right here, he's, I think, he's like Maori or something like that.
00:07:28.820 And they made him, it's kind of, it's dark.
00:07:31.100 Super white, yeah.
00:07:32.020 They made him super white and stuff as opposed to keeping him...
00:07:34.780 Like a monster.
00:07:35.720 Yeah, like he is.
00:07:36.700 I mean, they were monsters.
00:07:37.960 I mean, even in the book, right, their name was, his name was Vladimir Harkonnens.
00:07:42.460 It was like a very, like, these are Russian white, you know, people and stuff like that.
00:07:45.360 I kind of got the feeling, though, too, they were trying to rip off a little bit of Prometheus.
00:07:48.740 Yeah, John Spaeth is one of the screenwriters together with Eric Roth.
00:07:58.020 Eric Roth, that's right.
00:07:59.420 Eric Roth.
00:08:00.660 And also, Dennis Villeneuve.
00:08:03.420 Let me go over here.
00:08:04.460 I didn't mean to talk about this, but this could be a good time to do it.
00:08:07.560 Dennis Villeneuve, which seems to be the main driver of it, director.
00:08:10.560 He's a French-Canadian guy.
00:08:12.860 But then I said, Eric Roth, he's done a lot of other things.
00:08:15.420 Forrest Gump, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Extremely Loud, Incredibly Close.
00:08:22.780 And I'm not sure what that is, right?
00:08:23.820 Killers of the Flower Moon.
00:08:24.860 There's a couple of different ones.
00:08:25.940 The Insider, Munich.
00:08:27.900 I remember Munich.
00:08:28.620 That was all about, you know, specific people being the victims there.
00:08:33.160 But anyway.
00:08:34.540 So, yes, they have done what they always do, which is to kind of, you know, rewrite, you know, things and put it in a modern didactic political perspective, essentially.
00:08:44.040 Everything is anymore.
00:08:45.420 Everything.
00:08:46.240 Back to the clip of the Harkonas here now, too, because there's another theme into this thing.
00:08:51.240 Think oil here, right?
00:08:52.340 You could think black goo, I guess, too.
00:08:54.180 But look at the next scene here.
00:08:56.340 Or the one after that, actually.
00:08:57.620 The desert takes the weak.
00:08:59.820 Just like he's a Nietzschean.
00:09:01.560 The weakness.
00:09:05.400 My Iraqis.
00:09:07.660 My Iraqis.
00:09:08.900 I'm not sure if Stice Hustwood is the best actor in this.
00:09:11.280 He's a good actor, but I'm not sure he's the best one.
00:09:13.420 Here, look at this here, scene.
00:09:14.560 Look at this here.
00:09:16.000 What does this remind you of right here?
00:09:18.360 This is oil, right?
00:09:20.000 It's literally bathing in the oil that he's gone to these Middle Eastern, North African people and robbed them of, right?
00:09:26.920 This white privileged pig.
00:09:28.500 Yeah, he's bathing in, like, you know, the black.
00:09:31.040 White supremacist pig.
00:09:32.180 The black oil.
00:09:34.860 So it's done, finally.
00:09:36.940 He's all fat and nasty.
00:09:38.400 Yeah.
00:09:39.180 Send word to Gaty Prime to begin selling us by his reserves.
00:09:44.600 But slowly, I'm affirming.
00:09:50.580 Kill them all.
00:09:51.720 Kill them all.
00:09:53.740 And then he sinks down into this nasty black goo, right?
00:09:57.620 Evil colonialist.
00:09:58.580 Exactly.
00:09:59.080 He's there taking their resources and stuff.
00:10:01.060 And yes, I mean, yes, they're still depicted like this in 1984.
00:10:04.060 So I'm not saying that that's new, but with this new kind of racial framing, right?
00:10:07.780 So now let's go over to the Fremen, which you can clearly see the majority of them are depicted as blacks.
00:10:15.220 Except with bright blue eyes, like Cheddar men or something.
00:10:17.320 They're basically Cheddar men.
00:10:18.380 Yeah, it's the Cheddar men that they're fighting here.
00:10:21.380 Or, you know, while fighting.
00:10:22.720 The real Europeans.
00:10:23.960 Come on.
00:10:24.460 The Atreides, of course, or at least Paul and his mother joins up with them later on and stuff like that.
00:10:31.160 We have a clip from that, too.
00:10:32.380 But just here's a general depiction.
00:10:33.640 And this was not at all how, in my view, how they were depicted back in the 1984 version.
00:10:43.080 It's way over the top with the clearly Islamic themes.
00:10:46.620 Back then they had different garbs.
00:10:48.000 They had a little different, you know, sensibilities.
00:10:49.700 And not all of them were black or Middle Eastern or even South American looking.
00:10:52.940 They were all white characters, right?
00:10:55.340 Yeah.
00:10:55.780 And if there was a couple brown people or whatever, it wasn't the main focus.
00:10:59.100 Like they're focusing on this girl so much throughout this movie.
00:11:02.620 It's just crazy.
00:11:03.320 We'll get to the girl in the second.
00:11:04.860 Oh, the third clip here.
00:11:05.780 But here's how they depict a Fremen.
00:11:07.960 Look at this.
00:11:08.240 And, of course, you know, keep the themes in mind here.
00:11:10.740 Like noble savage.
00:11:12.080 They have some sacred mystic connectivity with the desert and nature and stuff.
00:11:17.000 They're in touch.
00:11:17.840 Exactly.
00:11:23.200 Candidates for a housekeeper, my lady.
00:11:26.560 What is your name?
00:11:28.340 Shut up, mates, my lady.
00:11:29.600 The rest of you may go.
00:11:34.060 Thank you.
00:11:39.240 It is yours.
00:11:42.860 Truth of shy, my lord.
00:11:49.060 Without reading the Quran right there.
00:11:50.720 It's kind of obvious here.
00:11:53.560 And here we have a couple of Cheddar Man shots here coming up.
00:11:57.100 That's very Islamic.
00:11:58.260 Oh, yeah.
00:12:01.760 Look at this.
00:12:02.420 There's Cheddar Man.
00:12:02.980 Yep.
00:12:06.500 The music.
00:12:07.460 There's Paul Atreides there.
00:12:19.260 They're sacred, yeah.
00:12:22.100 He's practically a slave.
00:12:23.880 Yeah.
00:12:28.340 Wisdom.
00:12:28.820 The judge of the change, sire.
00:12:30.980 Dr. Liette Kynes.
00:12:33.040 My lord, Duke.
00:12:35.300 Welcome to Arrakis.
00:12:36.340 And she's just an awful character.
00:12:37.600 You're the imperial ecologist.
00:12:38.560 Yeah, the imperial ecologist.
00:12:39.880 Thank you for the still suits.
00:12:41.880 Your desert boots are fitted slip fashion at the ankles.
00:12:44.500 Who taught you to do that?
00:12:46.380 Seemed the right way.
00:12:51.280 And I have to say that, too.
00:12:54.780 In the 1984 version, they have this, like, internal dialogue.
00:12:58.580 You can hear them, like, their thoughts.
00:13:00.060 They were narrating, essentially, that, right?
00:13:01.700 Yes, they're just mumbling out loud.
00:13:03.000 They're just saying it out loud.
00:13:04.020 And there's no reply.
00:13:04.860 Excuse me?
00:13:05.400 What did you say?
00:13:06.160 Or, like, is he expected to understand that?
00:13:07.800 Or it's like, I'm sorry, what are you saying?
00:13:10.460 It's just, there's the things like that.
00:13:12.120 There were, like, great themes in the old movie, which was just beautiful, wonderfully done.
00:13:16.400 Again, I mean, this visually, yes, it's almost too pompous in a way.
00:13:20.780 There's, like, everything is magnificent and pompous.
00:13:23.520 And it's like, therefore, nothing is magnificent and pompous in a way, right?
00:13:27.400 I mean, but it's very nicely shot and stuff.
00:13:28.620 I mean, the effects have improved, of course, yeah.
00:13:30.300 But it's, like, as the quality.
00:13:31.180 There's a mood, but the writing isn't.
00:13:33.000 Yeah, as the quality of, like, production goes up, it's just everything else has dropped, right?
00:13:37.040 Anyway, here's a little bit more from the Fremen here.
00:13:39.040 He's fighting Cheddar Man here towards the end of this one, too.
00:13:41.920 But, yeah, she's the.
00:13:42.900 I am accepted in both.
00:13:44.000 You know the term.
00:13:44.660 This is a term they used to the magical.
00:13:46.340 There's several magical Negroes in this one.
00:13:48.060 It's closer to the surface when they attack.
00:13:50.420 If you are patient, you should see one.
00:13:55.080 Warm always comes.
00:13:56.740 Always.
00:13:57.520 They're drawn by rhythmic noises.
00:14:00.000 You know what will happen.
00:14:00.480 Gotta teach the white man, you know?
00:14:01.740 If I don't get spice production back on track.
00:14:05.940 I'm not here to take your part.
00:14:10.140 Arrakis has seen men like you come and go.
00:14:13.500 The different oppressors.
00:14:14.880 Mm-hmm.
00:14:15.140 Take good care of your family.
00:14:20.080 But she's still so kind throughout all the oppressing.
00:14:22.780 Sure, yeah.
00:14:23.580 She welcomed my blade.
00:14:24.600 Here's Cheddar Man right here.
00:14:27.600 The fight at the end here, too.
00:14:29.100 Before Paul Atreides is led into the Fremen Muslim North African group here.
00:14:42.180 But they show the Waikis is a better fighter.
00:14:44.240 Surprised by that.
00:14:45.980 Ah!
00:14:47.740 What the heck, right?
00:14:49.900 All right, let me pause that.
00:14:50.880 But, yeah, so you get the idea of kind of how they're depicting them.
00:14:53.360 And it's overwhelmingly non-white among the Fremen, which is just not the case back in 1984, right?
00:14:59.640 So it's this idea, again, of the perpetual oppressor.
00:15:01.960 There's these skinhead white supremacists.
00:15:03.640 Harkonnen, they used to oppress them.
00:15:05.360 And then all of a sudden there's this new white group that comes in on decree by the emperor, right?
00:15:10.200 To take over.
00:15:11.320 And, of course, they're the good.
00:15:12.520 In a way, you can say that the Atreides are the good whites, the selfless whites, right?
00:15:16.720 That come on board and they're going to help them and they're going to ensure, you know,
00:15:19.520 we're going to come in and fix everything for you and stuff like that, right?
00:15:22.800 Again, generally, that was the theme back in 1984, but it was not drawn along these racial lines, right?
00:15:28.600 Yeah, it's overt.
00:15:28.920 It was updated, right?
00:15:30.180 Updated to the 21st century.
00:15:31.880 But here's another clip I want to play.
00:15:35.540 And this is regarding then the love interest.
00:15:37.060 Now, she used to be played by Sean Young, who, by the way, we had on the show way back when, like 2010, right?
00:15:42.760 She was in Blade Runner.
00:15:43.720 She was in Dune.
00:15:44.580 She was a big name, big actress at that point.
00:15:47.720 She kind of came out.
00:15:48.880 She talked about conspiracy things.
00:15:50.380 She came on, you know, our show, talked with me.
00:15:54.200 And apparently she went off the rails on some certain people that are, you know,
00:15:58.320 doing a lot of the production in Hollywood and things like that.
00:16:00.920 And she didn't get as many roles after that point, surprisingly, right?
00:16:04.540 But so they replaced her with a mixed race girl, right?
00:16:08.920 And this is very promoted as well all throughout that this is all about mixed, you know, mixed race.
00:16:13.540 And he comes in and he joins this new group and he falls in love with her and they idolizes her.
00:16:18.940 But here are some scenes from that.
00:16:21.600 Check this out.
00:16:29.740 He's having his visions here and he sees her.
00:16:31.840 Again, although they're high tech, they show them with these clearly, like, Islamic, Arabic type, you know, clothing and stuff, you know?
00:16:50.720 Long, drawn out, like, these love, the love scenes and things here, like, you know, yeah.
00:17:17.460 Fast forward.
00:17:18.020 You get the idea.
00:17:20.040 I wanted to include this.
00:17:21.020 You can get the full enjoyment of this here, of him merging with the Fremen here, right?
00:17:28.460 But then she stabs him in the back and kills him.
00:17:32.160 Surprise, surprise, a stabbing all of a sudden here, huh?
00:17:34.580 Just a dream.
00:17:36.000 No, I don't.
00:17:36.740 It's made from a tooth of Shihalud, the great Samuern.
00:17:45.620 This will be a great honor for you to die holding it.
00:17:48.760 Who needs to get off, Wout?
00:17:50.240 You must have ways.
00:17:51.300 You have smugglers.
00:17:52.700 You have ships.
00:17:53.780 You have...
00:17:54.500 The Emperor sent us to this place.
00:17:58.680 I'm going to join the Noble Savage.
00:18:00.200 My father came.
00:18:02.080 Not for spice.
00:18:04.220 Not for the riches.
00:18:06.740 But for the strength of your people.
00:18:08.780 Yeah.
00:18:09.520 Because my people are so weak.
00:18:10.980 Actually, they came by duty.
00:18:12.140 My road leads to the desert.
00:18:14.400 My road leads to the desert.
00:18:15.840 If you can see it.
00:18:20.640 If you'll have us, we will come.
00:18:23.820 Come.
00:18:25.540 All right.
00:18:26.140 There we go, right?
00:18:27.040 So you get the idea.
00:18:28.060 It's a very obvious kind of thing of what's going on here and the themes and how they changed it and stuff like that.
00:18:33.820 This kid is not, you know, terrible, you know, necessarily in it.
00:18:37.640 But McLaughlin, the old actor, the one who was in Twin Peaks, like David Lynch, worked with him quite a bit.
00:18:43.440 You can never outdo the original.
00:18:44.940 No, no.
00:18:45.380 I mean, much better.
00:18:46.460 Last clip we'll show is one of the – my favorite part of the 84 movie is the Navigators because they're just so weird and so bizarre and you've never seen anything like it before.
00:18:55.320 They're the ones that have been consuming the spice, right, to be able to fold space so they can travel without moving and all that kind of cool stuff.
00:19:01.940 And they're just introduced in the movie.
00:19:03.640 They are zoomed into this huge – it looks like a train or something, like a black, just bullet, massive.
00:19:10.100 Tank.
00:19:10.620 A tank.
00:19:11.420 And they're opening up the, you know, the windows or whatever you want to call it on that.
00:19:14.640 And they can start communicating with the emperor, right, one of the first scenes.
00:19:17.700 And this next shot we'll see two themes in that.
00:19:20.980 And one of – I think this is the Navigators, but they're basically showing them as humans.
00:19:24.680 They just have this bubble helmet on and you can not even see behind that.
00:19:27.500 Maybe they'll introduce them more in part two or something.
00:19:30.480 But then also symbolically the spokesperson for the emperor is an African, right?
00:19:35.820 Like straight from Africa.
00:19:36.800 Yeah, and listen to the delivery of what he says in one of the scenes as well because I think that that's very symbolic.
00:19:43.000 Let's check it out.
00:19:45.500 Yeah, here's the – I think those are the Navigators right there, but you don't even see.
00:19:48.620 But here's the Pope – the Pope man right here.
00:19:51.280 I stand before you as herald of the change.
00:20:00.020 You get that?
00:20:01.460 Herald of the change, yes.
00:20:02.480 I stand before you as the herald of the change, right?
00:20:06.860 What does that mean again?
00:20:07.940 Yeah, I don't know.
00:20:08.480 You tell me, right?
00:20:09.120 But anyway, we have –
00:20:10.500 House Atreides shall immediately take control of Arrakis and serve as its steward.
00:20:19.860 Do you accept?
00:20:22.900 And then that's it.
00:20:23.640 That's what we have.
00:20:24.380 But all right.
00:20:25.900 So I think overall I think they ruin it as usual as they always do.
00:20:29.260 Again, some of the costumes are great.
00:20:31.460 Some of the scenes are great and it's very pompous.
00:20:33.640 And obviously the special effects are –
00:20:35.120 But you can't get past the vibe.
00:20:36.480 You know what they're up to when they're doing all these things.
00:20:40.140 Exactly, right?
00:20:41.080 Now, there was one funny other thing I want to show as well, and that's how –
00:20:45.360 Also, Warner Brothers, how they do fold to pressure from other countries.
00:20:49.480 In this case, China.
00:20:50.640 Look at this.
00:20:51.520 They ended up removing the black characters from the movie poster.
00:20:55.860 It's not the first time they've done that.
00:20:56.600 It's not the first time.
00:20:57.340 They've done that before to sell it to China, right?
00:21:00.380 So here's what we in the West got, right?
00:21:02.740 It's multicultural and stuff.
00:21:04.280 It's like, you know, half Maori.
00:21:06.560 It's a mixed race.
00:21:07.700 It's blacks.
00:21:08.480 It's, you know, some white people and stuff like that, right?
00:21:11.720 But here's what they were given in China.
00:21:14.720 Yeah, of course, they insert the Asian guy in there.
00:21:17.520 Yeah, they put the Asian in there.
00:21:19.140 No shocker.
00:21:19.860 Where is he?
00:21:21.060 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:21:21.740 That's right.
00:21:22.620 Exactly right.
00:21:24.400 Is that Thufir or who was that again?
00:21:26.180 I forget who he was playing there, right?
00:21:28.000 But so it's funny how they're like, still the message in here is clear, you know, in
00:21:32.380 terms of like the racial component and stuff, but then they still bend the knee when they
00:21:36.800 have to to a country like China.
00:21:38.520 It's that's OK because they're not white supremacists.
00:21:40.840 Yeah, I mean, do check it out if you can.
00:21:43.340 It's not, you know, it could be it could have it could have been much worse in one way.
00:21:48.060 But I just cannot get get over the the clear subversive message that always is weaved into
00:21:55.500 these things.
00:21:56.060 And I bet you that both Eric Roth and John Spaeth and all these writers have a finger
00:22:02.000 and a reason, you know, for why that's the case.
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