Red Ice TV - Earliest Mention Of Odin

00:00:00.000 We talked about this in Flashback Friday, but we have to talk about it again because it is so cool.

00:00:04.900 It's like Odin wants to reveal himself and he wants to be known in this time.

00:00:12.500 Which is very interesting and symbolic and not a coincidence. A centuries-old gold disc was found

00:00:18.580 in Denmark, revealed the earliest known mention of the Norse god Odin at least 150 years earlier

00:00:25.020 than any previous inscription. The disc, known as the Bractite, I believe, was unearthed in a

00:00:30.880 treasure trove in Vindeliv, central Denmark in 2020 alongside Roman coins that had been reworked

00:00:36.040 into jewelry. As you know, Odin is one of the primary gods of Norse mythology, a pre-Christian 1.00

00:00:42.580 pagan belief system central to Viking society. This is the smoking gun for Odin's presence in

00:00:48.580 Scandinavia as early as the 5th century. Simon Nygaard, an assistant professor in pre-Christian

00:00:53.380 Nordic religion studies, said. Before the Vindeliv hordes discovery, the oldest mention of Odin was

00:00:59.380 on a brooch found in southern Germany from the latter half of the 6th century. The disc features

00:01:05.540 an inscription, he is Odin's man. This can tell us something about the relationship people had

00:01:11.500 with their gods and possibly even how divine rulership was organized in Scandinavia at this

00:01:16.600 time, said Simon. Although it was known that Odin had existed as a concept or deity for centuries

00:01:22.680 before the Bractite was created, the Bractite also displays a swastika, an ancient symbol used

00:01:29.380 throughout the Iron Age, and we will come back to that. Odin appears in multiple pre-Christian

00:01:34.160 barbarian belief systems across northern Europe and centuries following the collapse of the Roman

00:01:39.580 Empire in the west. He's among the Saxons and the old Dutch. Some traditions place him as the father 0.69

00:01:46.280 or ruler of the gods. The pros Eda, one of the main sources of Norse mythology, refers to Odin as the

00:01:52.560 all-father. Odin is highest and eldest of the Asser, the primary group of Norse gods. He rules all things

00:02:00.240 and is mighty are the other gods. They all serve him as children obey a father, it says. Odin's son

00:02:06.520 included Thor, of course, the god of thunder. The Bractite may have been buried to hide it from enemies or as a

00:02:12.320 tribute to appease the gods. It was a very large amount of gold, so it must have been a very serious

00:02:17.460 situation and they wanted to preserve this, right? We know that in 536 AD, Simon says, there was an

00:02:23.400 enormous volcanic eruption and there was at least two more that blocked the light of the sun. There

00:02:28.220 must have been famine in the areas that relied on grains and cereals, he said. We also know that in

00:02:33.480 541 AD there was a plague similar to the Black Death, so this might have been something to appease the 1.00

00:02:39.880 gods. Either way, it's beautiful and it's amazing and it's part of our European heritage. And by the

00:02:45.260 way, I don't think you have to be Scandinavian to appreciate something like this. No, that's it.

00:02:49.120 Nope, just Norse. You're a Slav, you can't. That's right, you can't appreciate this because there's no 1.00

00:02:54.600 overlap between other Slavic gods here either. But yeah, like Perun. And while Odin, that would be

00:03:01.480 what, maybe Svantavit or something like that? Who would that be? Svarog, maybe? Svarog, maybe? Yeah,

00:03:06.900 exactly. Anyway, there's a lot of different parallels here, right? But yes, so I find it's

00:03:13.080 interesting because this period also has a lot of other coins. It looks like a coin, but it's a,

00:03:20.600 yeah, as you said, it's not a bracelet. It's a brassetite or bracketet. I'm not sure how you pronounce it.

00:03:28.440 But apparently that's unique to Northern Europe and it's obviously inspired by Roman designs because

00:03:34.780 they had that contact at that time. I personally think there's a distinct Gothic connection.

00:03:40.100 And that's one of the reasons both why it looks the way it does. So it has Roman influences,

00:03:45.080 but then it has runes on it. There's other words on these things that refers to the, you know,

00:03:50.520 the most high or the highest one, which is like, you know, a known name for Odin. And in some cases,

00:03:56.280 it was forbidden to use the name of Odin. It's kind of like, you know, how some Jews and Christians

00:04:02.200 have like, you know, Lord's name in vain. Yeah, exactly. They don't say Yahweh. They spell a G,

00:04:06.980 dash, D, you know, things like that. And the same, it's called a, I forget what the term for it is,

00:04:11.580 that there's a term so that you find other things, right? And in fact, there are hundreds of different

00:04:18.380 names of Odin, right? Even Wikipedia lists some of these, right? And if you go through here,

00:04:24.140 it's just like, holy shit, you know, for all father, obviously, you know, these classic ones,

00:04:28.300 but even like Baldr's father, his father, even words like Gothic and Gut or Gauter is related to 0.83

00:04:36.520 names of Odin as well. And I just remember a while back going through like the place names in certain

00:04:41.860 areas of Sweden, and you find these names in tons of little towns, places that are still like,

00:04:48.260 you know, a little county today, or they're a little municipality and things like that.

00:04:51.720 But yeah, Gauter or Gaut, which is the kind of proto word for Goth, that was basically a name for

00:04:58.540 Odin, right? Gilsur, there's all these kinds of things, which means writer. Gud, God, which where

00:05:05.140 we get the word for God from today, which means good or even gut, like your gut instinct. Yeah,

00:05:10.440 there's all these things like words and how they're related to each other, right? But there's other ones

00:05:16.360 similar ones. This is one from the Met Museum, same thing, Scandinavia, 400 to 600, which makes it

00:05:23.180 very close in dating to the latest one that were found in 2020. But as you can see, this is actually

00:05:29.940 not the same one, but it also has the swastika, but now it's down below under him, right? Here's another

00:05:35.440 one from the Huggren in Gotland, Sweden. Another Viking Bronze Age ingots were found there. And this

00:05:45.840 one, Gold Brassetets or Teets, whatever you pronounce it, in Djupsbrunn. And the same thing there,

00:05:52.260 I see that. I think this is different, but then you have the same swastika down below. You see,

00:05:56.720 similar these are in style. And so even those that are older finds and recent finds are very similar.

00:06:02.180 So this is definitely not the only one. There's others actually, which is kind of interesting

00:06:07.440 with the swastika on it too. Here's a fibula, which is basically a kind of a brooch, a brooch,

00:06:13.900 is that what you call it? Where they have the word allugad, which is alluguder, right? Followed by 0.51

00:06:21.580 a swastika on it there too. And this is a small fibula or brooch found at Väderlöse in Norway,

00:06:30.540 is it? I think this one. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Denmark, Zealand, Denmark. And they have this

00:06:36.060 word on it, which is kind of interesting, Olu. A lot of them have that beginning. Apparently

00:06:40.600 there's a special kind of like magical runic inscription. And actually a lot of these gold

00:06:46.780 amulets either begin with that or they have that in, in the inscription, which is a, I guess,

00:06:54.220 a runic charm. And people don't know there's an old, I went through these threads earlier

00:06:59.720 and it's kind of, kind of interesting, right? The alerunes, right? Ölrunar, which we get

00:07:05.520 the word actually ale from, which you can, you can maybe imagine that since this put you

00:07:11.200 in a different state of consciousness, somehow that was associated later on with like magic

00:07:15.520 activities or some kind of almost shamanistic, you know, type practices or something like

00:07:21.500 that. You drink ale or öl or alu, as they call it. But even the Gothic word, they explain

00:07:26.940 that here too. The Gothic word for temple is al, which is related, right? A-L-H. So there's

00:07:34.540 all these interesting connections to why they used this. And it goes through this thread of

00:07:38.920 all these different places where that word has been found. It's on these brassetets.

00:07:42.580 It's also on runestone. It's on brochures and all that kind of stuff. No one has actually

00:07:47.080 accurately said this is what it means, but it's on the latest one as well, which is kind

00:07:52.780 of interesting. Here's another one from Vodstena. Same thing there, which is Sweden. They haven't

00:07:59.260 fully understand some of the runes and words on it, what they actually mean. But it has the

00:08:03.860 high one mentioned in it as well, which is, again, a reference to Odin. So we don't know

00:08:08.360 how far back the mentions of Odin actually is.

00:08:10.780 As Simon pointed to here, the professor who is part of investigating this, he said that

00:08:16.020 just because it's on a brooch or a coin or whatever doesn't mean like, oh, okay, that's

00:08:21.140 when they first talked about Odin. Obviously, it's much older than before it appeared on

00:08:26.360 jewelry and coins.

00:08:27.660 Oh, definitely. And as I said, this was a, I think they call it NOA name. No one name,

00:08:33.280 I think the word is, which is basically like, yeah, it's forbidden. You wouldn't allow to use

00:08:38.800 it. So they used all these other, you know, say a beloved child has many names, right?

00:08:42.260 So it's like hundreds of different names that they use to describe the same thing. Look,

00:08:46.160 we don't have time to get into this now, but there's a fascinating web page that I usually

00:08:51.420 visit. It's kind of Western Gothic centric or whatever, but it's, it's kind of interesting

00:08:55.940 talks about how Odin came to Scandinavia through, through Denmark, which of course, where the

00:09:01.120 latest find we began talking about where that was, that was found. But then there's tons of

00:09:05.900 similar finds up in Sweden and then later on Norway as well. And there's all this mythological

00:09:10.320 story, how Odin sent out one of his daughters to kind of pre-check the landscape and see

00:09:14.300 if it's good conditions to settle there and stuff like that. And as he passed Kjelland,

00:09:18.860 which is one of the biggest islands in Denmark, there's a whole myth. So his daughter's name

00:09:24.180 is, I think in English you say Geofyn, Geofyn, the myth of her. She was allowed to plow as

00:09:31.200 much land as she could. And somehow she plowed the equivalent of the land of the island,

00:09:37.940 Sjöland, which just happened to match almost, not, I mean, identically, but it's interesting

00:09:43.400 how the shape of Lake Vannan is very similar to the shape of Sjöland. So some people, the

00:09:49.040 myth of this is that it was literally, that was a piece of land that was taken from Sweden

00:09:52.900 and placed down there, right? This is a story obviously, but it's like all this fascinating

00:09:56.860 stuff. And Odin has a, you know, central role in settling Scandinavia and all these kinds

00:10:02.200 of things. And the point is, this is like, this could be 2,000 years ago, you know what

00:10:07.200 I mean? Not just like 5, 4, 5, 600s when like the migration age happens and stuff like

00:10:12.060 that. And again, they put the name Odin on this thing after they have gotten an inspiration

00:10:18.280 from the Roman world about these kinds of coins, but they do their own Nordic spin on

00:10:22.360 it. And then later on, of course, you have tons of gold flowing up from both the Western

00:10:27.900 Gothic, but also the Ostrogothic areas and coming back home, right? So there was in this

00:10:32.720 latest find in Denmark, there was Roman coins with like, I forget it was Titus on some of

00:10:37.440 them. I forget which Caesar, which emperor was on there. But anyway, Odin goes way back,

00:10:43.700 right? The story of how he received the runes. There is rune stones that have these inscriptions

00:10:49.860 on it, you know, kind of telling us the story of how he received them. And there's a link

00:10:55.780 between, you know, the Goths down in southern and eastern Europe to the Norse Goths, if you

00:11:02.080 will, which is a rune stone called Sporlösa Sten. And I've visited that a few times myself

00:11:06.980 for some photos of that. And on one of the sides, you have this pretty cool, basically what

00:11:11.980 looks like a temple depicted. And some people have said that it's actually the Theodoric's

00:11:17.940 mausoleum that's down in Ravenna, in Italy, that they visited and saw, and then they came

00:11:23.820 back home and they made a depiction of that. Or someone had said that this was the depiction

00:11:28.400 of a Norse temple, and actually Theodoric ended up modeling his mausoleum after that

00:11:34.220 one. You know what I mean? There's all these kind of back and forth. Where did it be gone,

00:11:37.780 right? We kind of don't know. But the point is, there was plenty of contact between them

00:11:41.020 and us. It didn't separate. It wasn't like that they migrated in, you know, what, 500-ish

00:11:46.280 because of climate changes, actual nature-driven ones, volcanic eruptions, which means bad

00:11:52.900 harvest, bad crop yields. So they're forced to leave the colder northern regions and go

00:11:58.320 down further south. They continued that contact, and there were still people living up in the

00:12:01.680 north at that point. So this is not something that's completely separated and we're basically

00:12:07.320 like, oh, they walked out and then that's it. So we're getting bits and pieces of information

00:12:13.740 from this. You can read Beowulf, you have a little bit there about the Gittish influence,

00:12:18.400 the myth of Odin, how he ended up in Scandinavia, how long back he goes. But I personally, I think

00:12:23.200 that this was not something, I've heard people say this, oh, since it's not written until

00:12:27.180 four or five hundreds, that's when it was like invented and came out, you know, came out of

00:12:31.780 nowhere. No, there's much older references to it.

00:12:33.940 Humans, we have oral traditions since the beginning of time.

00:12:37.240 Absolutely. So, I mean, we can kind of, we can piece it together from oral traditions

00:12:42.460 and the fewer sources we have, but it's always exciting when you find something kind of in

00:12:46.140 the ground that you somewhat can date and it goes further back. There's other runes, we

00:12:52.780 talked about that, what, three, four shows back about the oldest runes, inscriptions that

00:12:58.980 they have found, right, in Norway and stuff like that. So I think it goes back several, probably

00:13:02.460 several thousand years, to be honest, at least, maybe even further. But the swastika, just 0.85

00:13:07.060 a quick little thing in there about the swastika, about the association to Odin as well, it might

00:13:12.440 point to, at those little brassetets, that the swastika is associated with Odin. It might

00:13:19.480 even be his symbol, for all we know, right? Here's what they claim is a Buddha depicted, and

00:13:25.740 maybe that's because of the posture of his legs, that he's kind of in a meditative position.

00:13:30.140 This is, of course, one of the buckets that was found inside of the Osseberg ship in Norway

00:13:37.640 when they did an excavation of one of the burial mounds there, and it was a little, what

00:13:43.920 they call a Buddha, but again, that could very well be a depiction of Odin there, too, you

00:13:47.620 know what I mean? With little swastikas on it, this is one of the oldest symbols that we

00:13:53.800 have in Europe, and therefore, it's ours to do whatever the hell we want with, right?

00:13:58.340 That this is why it's so important for them to take this away from us, that we shouldn't

00:14:01.680 be allowed to use it.

00:14:03.500 And then here is money that a friend dropped off. This is money from the Soviet Union, a 0.51

00:14:09.420 Russian friend handed this to us, has a swastika right in it. Check that out. Yeah, and as

00:14:15.400 we know...

00:14:15.740 It's kind of like a watermark, you see it, behind the double-headed eagle there?

00:14:18.320 Behind the eagle.

00:14:18.900 It's a symbol, but yeah, that's an old symbol for Russia, by the way.

00:14:21.400 Very interesting. And of course, it's also the kolovrat is an ancient Slavic symbol

00:14:26.960 that means circle, or it's a wheel, right? The wheel of life, and that's...

00:14:32.180 The sun wheel.

00:14:32.980 That's what the swastika is. 0.83

00:14:34.520 Sun, solar, life, you know, all these obvious things. And even, you know, you think of the,

00:14:40.900 going back, I guess, to Leif Erikson, his discoveries of America, and the possibility that they had

00:14:47.140 many more settlements, and that they colonized way deeper into America, and that they say,

00:14:52.620 not just Newfoundland, and then they left, and all that stuff, right? There is this interesting

00:14:56.060 so-called Native American overlap, right? Here's, this is actually one of ours, too. We received

00:15:01.020 this from another friend. A Indian spoon, right?

00:15:05.480 On one side.

00:15:06.200 On one side, but then if you turn around on the other, there's a swastika on that one

00:15:09.560 as well, which is kind of interesting. Now, you know, you have all the Hindu stuff, the

00:15:13.420 Indo-Aryan stuff, the good luck charm, and all that things, but I frankly think that 1.00

00:15:18.640 a lot of the styles of the Native Americans, so-called, is potentially something that was

00:15:25.780 inspired by Norse settlers. Maybe it goes even back further. Maybe there's, you know,

00:15:31.760 the Solutrean connection, or something like that, but it's, I think something is, you look

00:15:36.480 at some of the, like, shamanic practices that they have, and stuff like that, and I'm just

00:15:39.920 like, I wonder how much, kind of like the, you know, the Incas, and the Maya, and all

00:15:43.180 that kind of stuff. I wonder how much of that was actually inspired by white people,

00:15:47.320 whether they're from, actually, Europe, or someplace else, but they, you know, they came

00:15:51.120 and brought them knowledge, and wisdom, and even the symbols. I mean, there's, like, old

00:15:55.620 rock-carving-type depictions in North America as well that have striking similarities to what

00:16:01.480 we find in the North, and stuff like that, right?

00:16:02.780 Yeah, and remember, there's even stories of Lewis and Clark on their expeditions, where

00:16:06.220 they talked about seeing white Indians running around with fair skin, and light eyes,

00:16:11.320 and gold hair. I mean, man, so the history in America is much more fascinating than we

00:16:17.140 know.

00:16:17.780 Oh, definitely. Check out that show, if you haven't heard it, if you're new here in the

00:16:21.440 archives, The Last Kings of Norse America, not North America, Norse America. It's a book

00:16:26.700 written by a dad and a daughter. It was kind of a, it was a little bit of a harder interview

00:16:31.320 to do, but the content of the book and the interviews talked about was very interesting,

00:16:36.580 and they talk about the Ohio Valley, all the settlements there, and they've found actual

00:16:41.180 proof, like, on location, like, they pull in their ships here, they, this was a settlement

00:16:46.060 at some point, and all that kind of stuff, so I don't doubt it, and who knows what happens

00:16:49.740 afterwards that somehow there was, like, a, you know, there's theories about this, but

00:16:55.220 without being long-winded, it's clear that there was a ruthless campaign to exterminate

00:17:00.120 paganism from Europe, right? And if there were some bleed over, if there were some inspiration,

00:17:06.120 let's say, and maybe even a genetic remnant that happened over in America, well, you know

00:17:10.280 what happened later on with that as well, right?

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Red Ice TV - March 18, 2023

Earliest Mention Of Odin

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